The Wooting clones don't stop..
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Another day, another ctrl c + v rapid trigger keyboard. But this one, might actually be worth it.
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Mind boggling how you seem to be the only channel that consistently puts out such high quality, yet seemingly simple videos. The latency tests are always welcome.
I have a conspiracy theory that other tech channels won't cover topics like these without money paid to them.
Explain pls bro
I believe it too
This guy has singlehandly persuaded all my latest tech decisions and (I'm broke) but absolutely loving it, from the tech to your videos and all the recommendations!
Same I bought my monitor and a wooting bc of him
@@kyuubi-9364same here
lol i feel that broke part, but yea it's the same for me planned out my entire setup from his vids, trying to acquire each part slowly
@@N1xko be sure to zip him up and wipe your mouth while you are down there
Same for me. I feel like this channel represents my tech interests very well
Thanks for covering all these keyboards, its very hard to figure out which one to buy without trying them out in person
the wooting 60 is the best option imo. (as there are alot of custom cases for it - if you're that deep into the keyboard rabbithole )
I've heard that the wooting team are a small dedicated team. Why not just go with them if they are the original while also supporting them? Honest question
Don't bother thinking, just get the wooting, it is just superior
60HE is basically perfect and still outperforms all alternatives + 80HE is on it's way. No need for alternatives imo
@@JehushMahadeobecause we are the consumers and we pay with our money; we get to choose what we do with our money.
correction: wootings are factory lubed now
seriously ?
@@wastelandbrutti2430yeah my unit I got this month all my keys are lined
@@wastelandbrutti2430lubed*
@@AyyBeeAB whyd u respond lubed?
@@wastelandbrutti2430 well mine is and i got it like couple weeks ago, search it up
The main reason i love my 60HE+ is the mod tap feature. It's amazing and the reason i can manage with a 60% layout.
What's that?
laughs in full via/qmk support
@Matt_132 I have and i dont like it. (Edit: Quick google. I didn't know mod tap was possible in via/qmk. TIL. I still prefer Wooting for simplicity tho.)
@Matt_132there is not a single keyboard that uses VIA that also offers what the wooting does. As someone who has three custom builds and a wooting, I only use my customs to type on.
For most people, buying a wooting is a better use of their money than using a full custom using VIA.
@@yoshi555king Not much out there with HE switches and rapid trigger with via/qmk. I think keychron HE 75 might.
Optimum, I've been watching your channel for 3-4 years now, and I have to say, I absolutely love the ingenuity and creativity you bring to the table to really test all of these products. Definitely my go to channel for tech. This video, along with your "fixed PC cooling" vid really show off your ability engineer things, which, as someone studying engineering and hoping to be able to do freelance stuff like that, I find super intriguing. Stay blessed 🙏💙
my wooting 60he just arrived today and honestly buying it was a no brainer - even for just an enjoyable and smooth typing experience. it's such an upgrade from my corsair k70 in every aspect
my module batch reaches warehouse in the next few days then i gotta wait for shipping to my house luckily paid for expedited but sheesh i been dying to use it
@@coolieeebtw both of your units are lubed
Wooting has a subpar typing experience, far behind even cheaper rapid trigger boards
@@xblur17This. Wooting is overhyped af just because they have a 0.1ms faster speed. Typing sucks, sound sucks, quality sucks, price sucks.
@@xblur17 someone got their wooting unlubed
Man, the testing methodology you employ is top notch, as is everything else about your videos.
The latency calculator, specifically, is awesome, and I would love to see this expanded to showcase the latency of a number of wired and wireless keyboards to see how the stack up against one another, and to see how much latency there is for the different types of wireless and how it compares to wired.
I'm in their discord server and one of the egg staff said they're working on a firmware to address the latency upon key release, so if they manage to do that this will be an s tier keyboard
Do you know if they managed to address the latency upon key release?
Any updates homie?
There is a beta firmware which fixes the latency issues. Still waiting on a fixed actuation point though which they say is on the way - they need to clear sole legal hurdles first.
I have this keyboard now and i’m really impressed.
@@iamme788 have they updated the actuation point so I can use a custom actuation point while also having rapid trigger abilities?
@@NextHeart No, they say "they are working on it" so don't buy is based on that. However, they fixed trhe latency issues and its SUPER responsive and really well made
To anyone that frequently asks, YES the newer software versions of the KB65HE fixed all of the "problems". For me this video is biased, 20ms difference arent noticable at all which is the major critique here. The keyboard has a alu case out of the box and therefore better build quality as the default wooting 60he, but optimum complains about latency issues which are easily fixable with software. Doesnt makes sense to me. But yeah, a new test on this would be nice, to see if really everything was fixed
"20ms isn't noticeable at all". Brother, no one needs another 20ms on top of their reaction time in an fps.
50ms opponent to server. 3ms server crunching. 50ms to you. 7ms rendering. 6ms monitor frame. 200ms reaction time.
316ms to respond and that's with no input latency factored in. The difference between 350ms response and 400ms response I'm pretty sure you will find is massive, and fatal.
@rextherunt3135 No and it's pretty funny to see how your whole point falls apart the longer the text gets hahaha It doesn't matter to a human of it is 20ms difference, you just said it "reaction time". Guess what, human reaction time is so high that 20ms doesn't matter at all. The human is the bottleneck here and not the keyboard. And also, I mentioned that the problem is fixed, so your whole text is pointless. What a time waste
@@ITSecNEO Yet here you are.
@@rextherunt3135 Yes, for future readers of the comment
@@ITSecNEO whether you notice or not really does depend on the game you play though. For example, competitive Fortnite is very high paced and highly dependent on input delay and ping. Fortnite is a game where there’s many actions that you do in the milliseconds, making the difference between delayed hardware and higher quality responsive hardware very noticeable. This is coming from someone who went from playing the game on a 100hz keyboard to a 1khz. There’s def a big difference
Bro ur testing is so smooth and brief I like it.. it's like I'm looking at the long and dense detailed rtings reviewed but with a lot more ease to understand and someone to help me through. I hope your standard of testing tech stuff will keep this up on top-notch level and don't drain you too much man. Always appreciate your works❤
Brands that cater more towards custom keyboards than gaming are now also releasing Hall Effect/Rapid Trigger keyboards (e.g. Keychron Q1 HE and Meletrix BOOG 75 which are coming out soon, and the Akko Mod 007B HE and Monsgeek M1 HE which are already out).
It would be awesome if you could cover some of these HE/RT boards targeting the custom market. I'd love to know if they're the best of both worlds, or if they are going to fall short in gaming performance.
It would be great if he were to review the akko mod 007b he, I can’t wait for my keychron q1he to arrive
@@JustDewItDEI is the keychron one in aluminium case?
Why review them? None of these brands offer better actuation or latency results so they will always be behind the Wooting.
Because some people also care about the feel, sound, and look of the keyboard in addition to the function and performance. If there is an offering that is on par with (or at least close to) the wooting in performance but has an improved stock sound and feel, that would be the ideal choice for a good amount of people. I totally understand if you just care about the board getting the job done, but other that's not everybody.@@tyl3rb-fw6ee
Surprised you haven't tested the drunkdeer a75 or g65 yet. Hearing it's pretty good for the price but I'd like to see some real testing on it.
i heard that wooting is more precise but some people like the feel of drunkdeer more especially on osu
@dotdotdot8987 ya seems nothing beats the wooting but would be nice to see how it compares in some real testing since it's a decent amount cheaper.
@@dotdotdot8987I would bet that it feels better.
Lighter springs and nicer sounding switches
The polar 65 too from arbiter studios
@@dotdotdot8987 Recently drunkdeer also had a firmware update making them even closer in rapid trigger/actuation point to wooting, leaving most of the decision to be up to the user's sound/feel preference, and from the testing I've watched, drunkdeer sounds better imo, although wooting is built better. However, Drunkdeer also has aluminum cases on their website, leaving me to believe after a bit of tinkering it might be a better and still cheaper option than the wooting.
Man, so clean....! Your videos are always on point and there is no way to leave without liking it. The least we can do..! Thanks..not for your effort or on info but for your sheer love about tech and the way you do it !!💓
what a king these videos are always so in depth and simple to understand at the same time, i love them
is there any other UA-camr who is a bigger nerd than this guy? I don't see anyone else doing these kinds of tests, just amazing content.
I love how he really goes in depth along with making his edits clean
genius video as allways and the dedication you put in with your costum keyboard tester is stunning
I absolutely love your data visualization. Thank you for continuing to push your channel!
Still waiting for DrunkDeer A75, loving mine so far
Hows the delay is it good?
@@DennisLaurence-sg8um Did you find out?
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Nice video! 👍🏻 I also really liked your two reviews of the Wooting 60HE, I just ordered mine and the estimated delivery is in 'early May'. I can't wait! :D
Waiting on this man to hit 1M He Deserves it 🙏
I'm loving my Wooting two HE and I'm happy that other companies are starting to try and replicate that magic as well
Optimum can you test the drunkdeer a75 too please
please optimum test this one best rapid trigger for the money
Optimum always pumping out great quality videos!
The PCB for this is based off a Chinese OEM keyboard named the VXE ATK68 - I believe they're also the factory that makes the Polar 65 for Arbiter Studio. They also make the VXE ATK75, although I don't have too much information on that one (still waiting for mine to come in). Just in case you're looking for an even cheaper copy of this keyboard.
Drunkdeer G65 too
It's chinas biggest keyboard manufacturer
VXE aka VGN aka VGN Dragonfly F1/VXE R1 mice? :D
@@AuDiGo6 Yup, those guys!
I love my ATK68 its so good man.
In fact the atk and the polar 65 are so good for the price and feel like modded keyboard
The production of these videos just keep getting better. Not a single video doesn't improve from the last, keep it up!
Please tell me your your forearm workout I have been asking for this for ages
Dude, just go climbing or bouldering.
just search up "Akimbo forearm workout" if you want thick, strong & veiny forearms (Sam Sulek's forearm workout also works well for thickness and veiny look but if you want ultimate forearm STRENGTH then Akimbo's is better)
do tricep pushdowns with correct form and your forearms will follow
@@Fingerboardmaster200 OKay people should not listen to your advice lol
or some swear on the rice bucket method, but I have never tried
Hello , would you mind doing a review of drunkdeer keyboards ? Been thinking about getting one lately but i only trust your reviews , they are more like wooting keyboards . Would really appreciate if you do it ❤❤
As always the most trustworthy youtuber when i comes to atually testing gaming gear performane. As multiple people already said, if it is possible try to test the Boog75 as well.
Heard it sounds very good out of the box but haven't seen anyone testing the functionality as well as you do.
I just got my Boog75. I can't help with any comparisons regarding performance, but I can tell you typing on this board is beyond comparison to the Wooting. It is in another class entirely. The thocc, the smoothness, stabilizers, quiet-but-not-too-silent sound. I'm in love.
I have a wooting in transit to me Rn my batch finally got to the states, and as if i wasnt hype enough I watch this video and am now so hype to get my wooting ur content is awesome
Keychron also have a hall-effect keyboard coming out at some point and the marketing implies the performance equals that of the 60HE.
Kickstarter orders start shipping out next month. Their store also sells two additional HE switches (one lighter, one heavier than the default). Also the big selling point for some is Wireless and browser software for HE settings.
UA-cam recomended me this video as I am big into the custom mechanical keyboard world but not so much gaming and let me tell you I own tons of high end customs and ive never heard a spacebar sound that good stock, ever.
Im really happy to see competitors with the Wooting, cuz they offer improvements that Wooting 60 dont have, for example the aluminium case, Wooting still gives plastic case as default, if u want the metalic Alumaze case u'll have to buy again and it costs like another 100+, same with the improved switches. But what these competitors lack are optimization, both hardware (latency) and software, and its a pain to see cuz they literally have better hardware, but it also shows how amazing the Wooting is!
You dont have to buy the Wooting 60HE with the plastic case anymore fyi
@@filur108 but isn't the price way more tho
@@fleepity i mean you're now arguing value in form over value in function. I'd rather buy the Wooting and get a better overall package with a slightly inferior case w/e and spend extra on a replacement option. As opposed to paying less money for an inferior product with better build quality.... after all that is the point of a keyboard; it's a tool and it needs to perform as such. I could give a shit less about build quality.
@@rovertyenrab yeah uve got a point
I'm one of the happy owners of the Wooting 60 HE and I'm still glad that I didn't get an other keyboard. I do play various games where also the Rapid Trigger functionality is really good. Ready or Not is one of that games, where it's easy to strafe and peek around a corner and sometimes lift the key or just press it to see it advantages. And, yeah it's funny to see al those lookalike keyboards popping up like mushrooms in a forest.
Couldn't wooting patent it? Zzzzzz
@@tehjamerz Seems like they can't and it's better that way.
@@tehjamerz From what i've seen the team is really full of people who like the competition and actually are ok with their technology pushing the keyboard market forward. What's also funny is that a company is yet to still come to match the wooting itself and they get recognition because everyone literally just calls them wooting clones.
Would love to see you test the Monsgeek M1 HE 75% board or any 75% HE board at this point
Are unoptimized analog keyboards still better than traditional mechanical keyboards?
Yep
Believe it or not, yes, still a bit faster.
@@optimumtechthats good to know, cannot wait to see the results when its optimized
Would love to hear what you think of the new BOOG75 magnetic keyboard. Yet another contender in the mix.
I swear that watching optimum talking about Wooting makes me like the company even more. He does his videos so well that this is basically the only channel that sucks me into the screen.
I haven't seen a single larger sized content creator test out the Drunkdeer G65 or A75 yet, both almost half the cost of the wooting while being between wooting and steelseries in terms of rapid trigger speed.
I'm surprised you haven't checked out the Corsair implementation yet. However it is a full sized board not a 60 or 65% board so that may be the case. Either way great video man glad we are getting more competition on the marketplace. Hopefully they will only get better over time.
u should try some keychron keyboards like the q series or even the q1 he which is hall effect aswell
I would love to see how the new Huntsman V3 Pro stacks up to the plethora of Wooting clones we’ve already been seeing on the rise. I know he’s already reviewed the Huntsman Mini analog but with the release of the “Gen 2 Analog optical switches” in the newer V3 Pro line, Im crazy curious to see what changes were actually done
all problems that appeared on gen 1 were solved, it is on par with the wooting, other then the software.
I have it and the only thing I don’t love about it is how loud it is 🤣 overall it’s a solid keyboard
I had the mini one. The software is dogshit compared to Wooting. Many things you cannot change and sometimes you have to reset the entire software and keyboard, or it will just crash on load. And even worse, the RT was buggy. Every 5 minutes, a movement key that was fully pressed was not detected at all, making my character full stop. Then, I had to fully release the trigger before it would work again. Maybe it was just a problem with my copy, buy yeah...
Sounds like just you man, the software is not the cleanest, but it gets the job done. I know that the keyboard had issues on release and lots of firmware updates have released to combat that. Sounds like you had a bad keyboard though. Been using the V3 pro with 0.1mm and rapid trigger on 0.1mm with no issues for around 4 months.@@Ch4nKyy
your channel is underrated
have you heard of the boog 75 yet?? i’m wondering about it’s rapid trigger latency now
This does look like a really solid board. Hopefully they can tighten up the rapid trigger functionality and latency via software updates in the future as I could see myself picking it up if they do.
still waiting for a wooting 65...
holy f that sound was STOCK! im so happy we're getting wootings with better builds and better prices 😭
Optinum pls can you checkout the Drunkdeer G65 and A75 they only are 100$ and have Rapid trigger with 0.2mm actuation
It has the KG650U board
Would love to see you making a video about the BOOG75, it looks too good to be true
The Latency Problem and Issues are fixed with Firmware Updates and the new added Low Latency Mode.
Have you seen any test regarding this fix?
what about the moving actuation point?
Did they fix the latency issues?
Hell ya.. Keeping it real with the viewers. Love that. Keep up the good work!
Was waiting for your or hausgaming's review.
Latency is all that matters to me honestly, everything else I can mod to my liking if I chose to.
By now you are clearly in the top3 best tech channels in yt!!!
Would love an update on this review before me and my girlfriend pull the trigger on this or a Wooting 60he! Since I’ve heard about new firmware updates on this keyboard to address the problems pointed out in this review.
Not to mention keychron q1 HE
Should make a video on the Arbiter Studio Polar 65 Keyboard
Great build quality just like this videos keyboard with rapid trigger and factory lubed
would love to see the testing
(Silver panda looks best imo)
would u mind trying madlion 68he r?
Thank you very much this confirmed my experience with the KB65He, it felt off and i returned it, staying with my wooting 60he
would a software update fix the latency problems ? gutted if no as i ordered one before i seen the footage
Did you end up buying it? How is it? I heard on their discord there should be a download for the newest software with latency mode
This video is amazing, now I know all these new 65% "HE Rapid Trigger" keyboard are all not worth buying.
The Akko and Monsgeek magnetic boards have mid software but are definitely superior in terms of build quality and feel since they're gasket mounted.
Akko and monsgeek have rapid trigger kbs? Didn't know that
we need all HE keyboards tested, include akko mod 007 he, meletrix boog 75 and everything
Very confused with the popularity of 60% format. The lack of arrows is confusing in tasks except gaming.
So you like this then as it has arrows?
Maybe that’s because people buy this type of keyboard for gaming ONLY? 😂
I personally got used to it with my 60HE and I can always remap the keys if I need to (altough I couldn't get it to work yet rip) and the extra room for the mouse is nice. I understand wanting those function and arrow keys tho, that's why Wooting is preparing to release an 80% soon
You can survive on a 60 with a slight modification of your muscle memory. Simply make right shift and the 3 mod keys underneath into the arrowkeys, and then customize the enter key to actuate enter when tapped but act as right shift when held.
Its actually incredibly easy to get used to using enter as shift.
Thats not the only way to make a 60percent work either. If you can’t get used to that you can create a layer key that turns esdf into arrow keys, this is actually more efficient for work purposes because you don’t have to take your hands off the homerow to use the arrows. Then you just have to decide where its best to put the layer key, a lot of people don’t use capslock, so that may be a good place. Some people move their ctrl to caps so maybe where ctrl used to be can be your layer key.
Even if you use capslock you can still use it pretty easily if on the second layer you make the tab key act as capslock. This opens up lots of things on the second layer, you can make the numbers turn to function keys, backspace turn to delete. Its all incredibly logical and easy to get used to.
i have pretty much every size keyboard but why do people act like if a key isnt there its nonexistent, most people just rebind keys to the second layer and it takes the exact same amount of time as pressing one key if anything can be even more convenient for certain ones bc you can do everything from your left hand quicker than moving to the other side of the kb or letting go of mouse and using right hand, like binding arrows to wasd or f1-12 as the number row etc bc my fkl tkl(pluto) looks so much cleaner than my reg tkl
I wonder what he has to say about the Polar 65. Community has an overall great experience when it comes to it. Cannot wait!
Its the same board as this one, im pretty sure. I also experience the same deadzone thing that optimum explained here with the Polar.. still pretty good though
WYSI
i wonder if it was intentional
This shows how much effort Wooting has put into the 60HE, otherwise the magnetic keyboards from AliBaba would not be far off from the 60HE.
Also, Wooting announced a new keyboard coming relatively soon, hope you'll check that one out as well.
which is very impressive considering Wooting is not like a giant company or anything big
You will never know how i got this many likes 😂
What about dislikes?
You better do it
@@klwrpanot humanly possible
Go for it king
Naur have one like = a pound on the bench press
Thanks for doing reviews on all of the hall effect keyboards! I think a lot of us are looking for either a cheaper option or a better build/feel/sound than the stocking Wooting 60HE. We appreciate your sharing your research.
Nah... you gotta stop calling these clones man...
You should try the drunkdeer a75. It's another rapid trigger keyboard but one of the most well received in terms of build quality and performance. It is cheaper than both the wooting and endgame keyboards.
was about to say something about that keyboard. heard from friends thats a good copy to the wooting plus, its a 75%
Absolutely appreciate the in-depth testing
Because of you, I ordered a wooting 60he including a kbd case👌🏻 but unfortunately it won't arrive until the end of February.
they are 100% lying to you about the cnc, that is without a doubt cast metal you can tell from the edges of the board
most people arent going to think twice about it, isnt that shit annoying
@@frostgodx it’s a good foundation for a lawsuit which is nice
optimum just spill the OEM tea and tells us to spend our money wisely. you're still a gem in pc tech reviewer
I'm finally getting my wooting two he this February can't wait
I feel like companies should 100% hire / collaborate with people like Optimum to do product testing and reviews before releasing it to the public… imagine how crazy good products would become
Most companies aren't interested in releasing one perfect product. They want half a dozen products with marginal improvements over several years, preferably sold several times to the same enthusiasts at halo prices.
A few years down the line this would probably become standard and be done pretty well across the board(s).
Thanks for covering these products at such a depth.
whenever 75% rapid trigger boards get out there at wooting quality I'll buy in. Need that Function row with arrows. I don't hate having a knob either
Boog75 available for end of January preorder. Gogo
@@tinypickle who knows what the latency on that will be though, no point in preordering
@@dominicalis huh? There's videos on it that make it seem indistinguishable from the wooting. Unless optimum does a video who else would be able to get you that info?
@@tinypickle wheres the data?
@@dominicalis is there data for any other HE keyboard aside from optimum?
I got the wooting as soon as the ARM version dropped, I love that keyboard! feels like it will live forever, the GMMK pro on my workstation in the meantime had 3 switches go bad.
You can never be too certain with switches. I got spares when I bought it mine so I didn't have to deal with the headache if it happens.
@@LongJohnnn yes, me too, but that is a promising result for the wooting, never double-typed a letter ever
I'd love to hear your thoughts and comparisons to the Akko MOD 007B which also uses hall effect sensors. These types of boards are popping up everywhere and so far it seem that nothing is quite as good as the original. Great video as always. Looking forward to more in this space!
5:00 "techless" got very different delays with a similar rig ( /watch?v=pQ3bYuBy8vE at 2:36)
His testing shows they're typically within a ms of eachother in delay, or at most the EGG is 1ms slower on average. A whole 22ms difference on average is crazy.
Please do keychron Q1 HE please, premium, HE, and wireless. I wanna see how good/bad it is.
Hey love the content. Would love to see more of these HE Keyboard reviews
Im so excited to try my HOLY60 once it finally comes in. Rapid trigger seems really cool.
You ever plan to do a review on the drunkdeer?
Wooting does lube the switches, maybe they didn't in the past but they do now or at least got a lot better at it. Got mine in the mail today it's been an amazing experience.
Can you also please do a review on the Keychron Q1 HE? 🙏🏻
Amazing video, you should try out the polar65 keyboard. It's also a "wooting copy"
I have my wooting 60 he a bit over a year now. As I am seeing more and more clones it is kinda like a pokemon battle where I am proud of the wooting that it beated everyone so far
5:58 If the board and switches are the same, where is the latency coming from?
The wooting 80he is out for pre-order. Didn't get the 60he bc I want the arrow keys and F keys so I'm glad they came out with the 80he and I can't wait to get mine 😊
hey man any chance u can try out a polar 65 or the DrunkDeer as well and compare them to these boards heard its a pretty good comparison to wooting
4:00 they can definitely fix this so easily in the software level by changing the trigger threshold after the first click so it doesn’t reset the distance.
This is interesting since earlier this year everyone was saying steelseries apex mini was the best keyboard to exist, and apparently wooting was its competitor
I have to say I tried the steelseries and not only did it glitch out but also my posts about it were deleted from the steelseries reddit. Also the software opens a huge page of ads every time and it's required.
Love the slow progress to fully become a testing lab
Thanks for the review, I'll wait for the new wooting80 to be released.
Wooting's marketing department must love you. 😆I'm personally getting one as soon as I have the funds to splurge.
I was between this one and the drunkdeer g65. I ended up going with the drunkdeer and couldn’t be happier.