Finally, someone who appreciates these movies for how fun they are while acknowledging that they’re goofy and kinda stupid. Also Shriek was the reason I enjoyed Venom 2 a little less
Idk I personally really like Venom's cheesy speeches whenever he would capture a bad guy, shows he doesn't fully understand the whole superhero thing and is just trying to be cool
If I were making these movies, I would turn up the horror aspect by a lot. I’ve heard from other sources that the venom movie was supposed to lean a lot on body horror, and I feel that there’s a lot of potential if it was a straight up horror movie.
My favorite thing about these movies is how chill Ann's new boyfriend is. It would be really easy to make him a dick and a rival for Eddie but he's a genuinely nice guy that tries to help. They also don't make getting her back a prize for Eddie which is pretty refreshing. These movies overall are pretty fun imo.
i just can’t hate these movies. tom hardy has so much fun with them and i love that they’re going with the curious “romantic” aspect of the relationship between eddie and venom that is portrayed in the comics. i personally can’t wait for the third one lmao
I have a hot take on this. I was always a really big venom fan growing up and it's obvious that these movies stray very far from The Source material but I found them extremely entertaining and funny especially in the second one with the chickens, the chickens were the highlight of the movie for me. While these movies are not a homerun by no means I think they are a good example of taking Source material and adapting it making dramatic changes without completely destroying it
Yes, I agree. The worst thing a movie can possibly be is boring, and even though both Venom movies are pretty dumb, they're still fun as hell to watch.
He’s increasingly become one of my favorite actors since I first saw him in Inception. Everything I’ve seen him in since has just made me like him more.
For we must all appear before “the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.” (2 Corinthians 5:10) We will be judged for every deed we do whether is be good or bad. This isn’t something to worry about even if our bad deeds out weigh our good. Because none are good before God, all have sinned against Him and cursed His name, but He in His tender loving mercy hath given us His Son as our ransom. When Jesus was dying all of Gods wrath and judgement was poured out onto Him even though He was sinless. He was sacrificed and tortured on our behalf though we are sinful and carnal. Christ payed our sin debt with His perfect sinless blood so we may escape judgment and have everlasting life. But this great gift is only for those who accept it and accept Him ❤️
in all honesty, I might be biased but one of the main reasons I love the movies (probably more than other people) is how they made venom look. in my opinion, the tom hardy version is what venom would most likely look like if he was real and i just think its so cool. his design is not only big and daunting, but the way his mouth and eyes move is so creepy and he just looks so much better than the one in the Tobey Maguire movies. I feel like out of all the versions of venom we've seen tom hardy's is the best.
I actually found Let there be Carnage pretty fucking entertaining. Form the "death to you father, not you father, you father" or "Ohh, I know this one, dassa treeeeeee" To Venom gtfo of there as soon as he understands that Carnage is his son I just don't know anymore, man. Something in my tiny monkey brain just clicks with this type of humor. I mean, y'all still remember the gif of the bread falling over? Yea, that shit still fucking gets me
The thing I found that helped the most is the movie using people not understanding asexual reproduction to give us both Carnage and Toxin in an easy way.
If you view the Venom movies as romantic comedies, you can't have a bad time (unless you're one of the people who choose to ignore Eddie and Venom's canonical relationship)
nothing brings me more joy than dudebros doing mental gymnastics trying to make eddie and venom's relationship just two dudes not knowing that they have a kid together
I was surprised he didn’t mention people saying that they are in love with each other and the fact Venom tells Eddie he loves him at the end. I actually find that thread interesting and have no problem with that theory but don’t know if it’s what the director and writers intended or not.
@@bayonetababe9697 I don't think so. Venom/Eddie became an accidental thing in Venom 1 and they capitalised on the fangirls hype in the second one with all the "romcom vibes". Which just sounds less natural than the first one.
its pretty clearly stated in the movie that the symbiotes can sense who is a decent match for them to be able to last the longest inside of. so the old lady and the little girl just happen to be compatible, just like eddie being compatible
Just because they explain it away doesn't mean it makes sense lol. How would an old lady be a good, long lasting host. Seems like that would be the worst choice for a host and was just done as something funny, like "haha the symbiote is in an old lady and now hes in a little girl"
@@inyrui sure, it was done as a joke, but its fine. its biology. its genetics. it doesnt matter that shes old, if you put a parasite in a host it cant survive in then it dies. a symbiote needs the same thing. it needs to be able to live inside the host. on a biological level its typically down to things like blood type and specific protein synthesis.
@@ge2719 on a biological level an old lady is possibly the weakest host there is next to a baby lol. As if there aren't people with the same blood type around the old lady who aren't elderly and frail. But hey it's movie logic so whatever
One thing I noticed in the second movie is that Venom looks a LOT less shiny and gooey like. He looked really dull and sort of mate which doesn't really work with the whole fact that he is a symbiote and is foreign to Earth. Making him look gooey and more slimy and more as a sickening slime made him look WAY more alien and foreign rather than him being all dull, another problem with Venom being dull is that he doesn't nearly stick out as much and it brings less attention to him and sort of makes him look like a matte muddy mass.
I'm not sure if this is the reason or not....but I'm an animation student. Shiny things take much longer render. Like WAY longer because of the complex lighting math the computer has to do. In my school we're told to lower the specularity (shineyness) because our computers aren't that good. Otherwise our renders will never be done on time. The time from my most recent project went from 15 minutes per frame to 5 minutes. So it's a big difference. However, this is a big studio that definitely has a render farm. But the animation in the second one is significantly worse. I'm not sure what the situation was but time is usually the culprit when it comes to vfx and overall animation.
@@Rigiroony ohh I see thank you for your answer! I agree on how time can really taint the final product when it comes to the VFX and overall animation!
@@Rigiroonymaybe it's a budget thing. I honestly forgot how he looks in the movie until i saw this video and it look worse than i remembered. But yes not only the animation is worse, the render is worse, and also the comp is also worse than the first movie. It's weird
@@ilhamadigunawan5264 when it comes to entertainment (Especially VFX and Animation) it's always a budget/time thing. That's why the new marvel movies look so bad. Too much work for less workers/time. On the opposite spectrum you have something like Spider verse because Sony splurged and hired freelance animators to take on some of the work from their team. Cost more, but it got done on time!
The fact that Tom Hardy had the idea to jump in the lobster tank, even though the tank they had at the time was too small, is nothing short of inspiring 🤣
the way they changed up the story to simplify things and still introduce venom without Spiderman was kind of creative and I really liked both movies because of the humor and cool action scenes making venom the good guy or an anti-hero like dead-pool
I think they would be better if they focused more on the relationship between Eddie and Venom. Their banter is the best parts of both films. I think exploring that and the romantic side present in the comics would be great
I'm not a comic reader so I have no idea, but is the romantic (albeit toxic they say) relationship actually canon? I thought it was just a running joke because of their banter being like a married couple.
Fun fact, in the comics the second movie's climax wouldn't make sense since carnage and casiday actually had a greater bond than any other symbiote. They even refer to themselves as 'I' instead of 'we'. Yeah the comics were weird but I honestly wish the second movie stuck closer to the comics since carnage is a great villain in them.
Yeah I realized the finale was going to be dumb when I noticed that, it's like the entire point of those two. And also Carnage is supposed to gave 360 degree vision, able to see out of every part of his body...so not being able to see people doing shit above him was just dumb. Good God I just wish we'd get Carnage and Venom like in the 90's cartoon, how can an extremely PG cartoon where Spider-Man wasn't even allowed to punch people have scarier villains than a PG-13 movie today?
@@mrcheesemunch Fun fact: The 90s version is the only animated Carnage that is also Cletus Kassidy, every other animated incarnation has been someone else
I personally liked these movies a lot. I know they aren't perfect and I can't disagree with the critisism but sometimes you just wanna watch a cheesy homoerotic romcom between Tom Hardy and Tom Hardy's deeper voice. Personally I'd love to see a King In Black- movie adaption, but maybe with a little less superheroes. If you could get Sleeper and Dylan Brock in there I would totally be here for it, these two are amazing characters and would fit into the story well.
I feel like critiquing this franchise at this point is just kicking a dead horse. We know it’s not amazing, and has its flaws. But it’s all for entertainment and just that alone. The same way we viewed action for years, just lots of booms and bangs and crashes that are insanely fun to see and laugh at. It’s all about the showmanship and having a fun time in the theatre. We could sit here and pick apart marvel and Sony all day but it’s just not worth it. They’re over budgeted films, that are made to appeal to all generations and all viewers in some way or another. I wouldn’t say they’re cringe at all, they’re just another addition to a franchise that’s never going to be perfect but does well regardless. I feel like if this is cringe, then deadpool is straight up ick haha. They’re very similar films. Extremely similar films and the characters are portrayed in very similar ways. And I know the same people who adore deadpool are ones who are very vocal about these films not being up to par.
@@choptopjo You can have a fun action movie with a good story they are not mutually exclusive. Sure these movies are never gonna be perfect but a decent story would be a good start.
@@choptopjo Deadpool's writing & dialogue is INFINITELY more clever. It has overwhelming amounts of irony to shield itself from some of its lesser jokes. Venom does not.
It's kinda ironic that almost every Spiderman villain in the movies has a deep personal connection to him but the villain who has arguably the deepest and most personal connection was basically forced to no longer have a connection.
@@TheDailyGlobe922 thats not true..thats factually false..he started as a spider-man villain in the mid 80's as spider-mans main nemise after green goblins death he filled that void and it took until the mid 90s when canrage was introdcued where venom started to bracnh of in to anti hero teroatry after putting his differecnes aside with spider-man to fouse on the bigger picture of taking down a much worse and bigger threat they couldnt beat themselves..only then did venom start turnign in to a anit hero and venoms apst with spider-man is cursual to his character and is important to his origin and is one fot he main thigns thta mkaes venom itneresting as a character..hes a cracked mirror verison of spider-man in morality everything about venom from his look to his sense of humour but more dark and twisted, his spider-powers and web shooting abilitys liek web swining the spider logo on his chest..hell peter parker is the first host of the symbiote and without him venom isnt venom..hes jsut ranomd symbiote thats bonded to some ranomd guy..what made venom was the symbiote and eddies combiend hate of spider-man and dewire or ravange filled him with rage and anger and was driven to not only kill spider-mna but ruin his life and making his life a liveing hell playing with him like a toy until he broke..venom is bascially spider-mans equivlvent ofr vegeta from dragon ball z..wheres hes a dakr refelction of goku and starts as a villain and becomes gokus rival and voer time becomes an anti hero working wiht spdier-man until eventulaly forgiving spider-man enough to let go of his hate of him and fighitn along side him when the tiem calls for it excpet venom is way more populer and better handled as vegeta these days just plays second place to goku whie venom became so populer he broke away from spider-man and evolved alot a ahcaracter...his villain years with spider-man is essentail his origin and character and story and its just as important to him as uncle ben is to peter and the death of batmans parents is to him they are important and should play some role or be repersented in some way..hell i would say hes more important becuase spider-man doesnt jsut die to motivate venom like uncle ben and batmans parents do he instead helps mold him and his character threw different jurneys of his life from being a villain driven by revenge and then later finding redemeption for his past ways and spdier-man is also needed for that redmeption becuase him forgivieng spider-man and tursting him and wokrign along side and fight with him instead og agaisnt him signfays eddie and venoms characters grouth... venom is the absoutle worst villain to try make them disconected from spider-man as his origin and and entire character comes directly from him..atleas morbius oriign was not tied to spider-man in any way..there relationship goes as far as spider-man getting inthe way of tryign to stop morbius form feeding on people and alos helping to find away to cure and help morbius with his vamprisisum..but him becoming morbius was nothign to do with him..you could totallt do a morbius origin sotry before ruining in to spider-man..same with the black cat..because black cat became black cat before meeting spider-man she was a cat theif burgerley that one days spider-man came across so you could show here oriign and begings as black cat before her run in with spider-man..same wiht silver sable shes an mercanry that runs her own sqaud and is form her own fictional countery of simcaria ( i dont know if i spelled that right) and one dya she had a run in with spider-man when she was hired to go after him...could show her becomeing siviler sable and see her on other mercary jobs that deosnt involve hunting down spider-man..could just pick any of spider-mans long line up of villains the mvoies has no plans on useings and use them as a villain for her to go upagaisnt as a target...but venom...is the aboslutely worse character to try that with..venom shuld appear as avillain in a spider-man movie first and thne afterwars branch out in to his ownsolo storys..you know like the comics did...removing spider-man from venoms sony maks venom not venom..hes just some random symbiote bonded to some ranomd guy who just so happened to be named venom..the venom name came in to effect when eddie and the symbiote first bonded which is why thye refer to themselves as we and us becuase they are venom and then together makes venom but him already being called venom beforemeeting brock kind of makes the WE are venom stuff meaningless..but sony wasnt willing to wait until they was ready to tell the sotry with tom and wanted to rush out a venom movie as fast possible and didnt want to put in the actual wokr and effort to set one up properly and make it truely good isntead of just a dumb stupid but fun movie as venom as charater and story can and ahs doen so much better and captureing his arc properly on screen in lvie actions wkould make venom go down as one of the best comicbook movie characters bt that ship slaed as this verison of venom is utterly hollow and shallow...its fun and umb but at what corst..the cost beign a much better movie
@@donbirkinshaw1630 yeah I think the venom movie proved that Venom can stand on his own and have an origin without spiderman. If you don't like it then go read the comics or literally an other thing
@@donbirkinshaw1630 also yes he was an anti-hero.the only one that believed Venom was a villain was spiderman. Even in the later comics it was established that peter was the one that corrupted it. And yes he tried to kill spiderman but even then he never hurt the innocents
@@TheDailyGlobe922 thats not true...thats false he was avillain why you lying and he did indeed hurt and kill innocent civilians in his way in order to get at spider-man and get under his skin and tried to kill his loved oens who are innconet victims in all this that did nothign wrong to venom or eddie..if he wanted to kill spider-man he couild of did it in away that left his innocnet family out of it..but he ddint..becuase he was a villain driven insane with rage and revenge and killed people in his way because he knew spider-man didnt like it and use peoples lifes agaisnt him as he realseid its his biggest weakness..and no he cant wokr on his own..sony kind of self admited when they said..oh we are going to have this movie be stand alone and then in the very next movie try and FORCE in a connection wit spider-man when tis alreayd long past to late becuase they dont know etch otherand have no inbuilt rivalry and he realsied venom would not be a sustainable series without spider-man so tried to force venom in the mcu before he was yetted back out.they know spider-man is needed ..but they just dont care..your wrong and your points are bullshit...if your adapting a story they should be soem attempt at trying tp capturee the imporant elements of said character and story to the audiecnes to do justice to the character and story..thats what an adaptation of someone else previous work should be ortherwsie its jsut a complete disresepct disregardgin everything that made venom or the thing your adapting populer and interesting in the first place..differecnes and deviations are fine but not if they are core important parts of characters and storys and spider-man and venons relationship is massviley important.without spider-man venom isnt venom..hes venom in name only and is slap in the face to actual venom fans and the socure material..there is no love or passion put in to these movies by sony but corrprate money grubing greed wanting to bleed to spider-man ip dry of every last drop..just because venom made money doesnt mean he works without spdier-man..he simpley doesnt..venom is much more flat and hollow character in comparison.i mean venoms arc in venom one happens over the coruse of like 30 minutes and taks place over the course eof like a couple nights at max in unvierse and goes from im going to use you as a meet puppet to get what i want to oh its pretty here i like it here and i like you eddie know wiht no actually build up or devlopment he doesnt have an arc he jsut randomly changes his mind..thats a terrible character...venoms arc in the actuall soruce material has alot more depth, build up and development then this does..the only way i can see you would be fine with something like this is 1 you have no respect to the soruce material that alowed the movie to exist togein with or if you literally do not care about good story structure, character development or good writing..all this movie offers is dumb meaningless braindead fun...when venom as a character can do and be so much more...im not in the wrong for realiseing a characters true pretental is being wasted and held back by corrupet greed and not by any sort of artistic merit..and you saying venom started out as a anti hero and said he never killed inncoents yeah i can guess easily you didnt and dont read comcis and yet your trying to dictate who and how this character you do not read or know about should act and be..,.venom was afull on revenge hate obsesed villain..the anti hero came later..jsut because a villain has a sympfetic backsrounds and storys and motivations doesnt stop them from not being villains..mr freese has one fo the most tragic supervillain origin storys and has a goal thats understandable..he tried curieng his wife who was dying from a rare terminal illness and froze her while waiting to find a cure..his funding gets cut down by his boss which leads to her death due to his boss greed and neglecnes and causes an accident that leaves mr freeze living in permement ice cold temprature and cant even live in normal room temprature making him cold and unfeeling and traped in a suit and wants revenge for what happened to him and his wife..thats a understanable and tragic motviation..but hes still a villain and not an anti hero..venom was a villain its important to his character and background and he eventually breaks away from being a villain and finds redemption as a anti-hero...so no your objectively factaully wrong and yet you double down on being wrong isntead of jsut addmiting mistake and making up excuses for the movies and the thigns you said..the hate the movies get are compeletly justifed..hell even this video is talking about how these movies are bad..they are just bad movies he likes that he finds entertaning which is fine because atleast hes not blind and ignorant to the movies quality and lack there of and points that out and highlights that while you are jsut making up excuses and bullshit remarks
I think the "who is Ann" is because he doesn't understand human emotions so Ann is just another human to him and doesn't understand why she is special for Eddie
but if he knew everything about eddie as he said he did by obsorbing his memorys as he stated he did then he should alreayd know who ann is and her signfieces to eddie she was literally his fiancee even if he didnt know what thatword or relaitnship means he would absoutlety kbnow who ann is becuase the symbiotes share memeorys and emtions with ethc other host..whcih is way venom wanted eddie to despreatelly get bakc wiht ann in venom 2..no its jsut a plot hole inconsistency
@@willfanofmanyii3751 thats not true..the scene is even shows in this movie review and elvis mentions..it he literally say i am inside your head eddie and know everything about you..thats should also include anne who he was in a serosuly long term realtionship with said person years before venom boned with eddie and they was togetehr at the begining of movie before eddie and venom met..meaning venom should know who anne is and wouldn of needed to ask and even if he didnt he could of jsut looked threw eddies meomorys for anne if he was curious and wouldnt of had to or needed to ask him who is anne..stop lying and makeing up excuses for bad, lazyand inconsitencet story writing..venom would of immedatlely absorbed eiddes meorys the momement he bonded with him thats how symbiotes like venom works they work like that in comics, tv shwos and games and they even mentioned this in the movies as something venom and the symbiotes can do and after the bike chase he literally says to eddie i know everything about you eddie..and with annn being an improtant promenant figure in his life he would of known about her and woudlnt of had to ask..who is ann..it jsut makes venom look stupid and full of shit
@@dropkick3024 I meant that it is impressive that Sony made a Venom film that not only has no Spider-Man but is also decent. The concept should’ve easily failed and yet the film was fun and enjoyable
tom hardy's passion for the bond between his character and the symbiote (which is romantic tbh) is what makes this series great lol. also woody harrelson is iconic
Honestly if that is true that Hardy's son helped Tom by telling him how Venom and Brock should interact actually explains a lot. Not saying the kid did a bad job because that's honestly probably the best we can do the relationship without it getting ridiculous it's just funny how ironic that is because most people refer to Venom and Brock's relationship as if it were written by kids lol
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I really tried to enjoy Venom 2 but the fact that they watered down Kassidy/Carnage to this tragic sympathetic figure really let me down. Kassidy was already a terrifying person, even without the symbiote. A psychopathic serial killer with limited impulse control and takes pleasure in what he does. Then give him the symbiote and he's a hundred times more dangerous. This is one of the most terrifying villains in Marvel comics. Even the 90s Spiderman cartoon played up the horror whenever he was on screen, giving this little girl nightmares for days. You said the scene where Carnage throws someone off the bridge was a good way to showcase how ruthless he is...well I would up that ante and go back to the prison. After Carnage kills the guards, warden, and the executioner; he turns to face the cheering prisoners who are more than happy for the 'jail break'. Carnage gets a strange gleeful look in his eyes, and realizing this, the prisoners get quiet. Cue the absolute Carnage that ensues, as he tears through the prisoners. Since it's technically a PG-13 film, I would also settle with the camera panning in front of a blurry window and seeing a silhouette of the psycho tearing through the prisoners. After he gets done Carnage finally breaks out of prison, shifting into Kassidy who proceeds to whistle as he walks away. Kassidy IS ruthless. He is a monster through and through. Also no matter how many people like Shriek (heck I like Shriek), I really don't see Kassidy going out of his way to save her. Much less be this lovey dovey with her. If Kassidy were to have someone around, it would only benefit him to an extent. Think of it like the toxic relationship between Joker and Harley. You have a vulnerable girl, who is a mutant, with no family whatsoever. Perhaps she was abandoned by them. That would explain why she would be so attached to Kassidy who showed affection, and have a sort of loyalty to him. She loves him, but he would be more than happy to throw her under a non-metaphorical bus just to see her splat. Then there is the Carnage symbiote...hoo boy. One of the most fascinating things about Carnage as a whole, is that unlike other symbiote hosts, which refers to themselves as 'we', Carnage/Kassidy refers to the two as 'I'. He and his relationship with his symbiote, is so PERFECT. They act as if they are a single entity. Their mind is undivided. It's also why he's more dangerous compared to Venom. Eddie and his symbiote have an up and down relationship, sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad. And sometimes that affects their fighting. You don't see that with Carnage. His relationship is perfect all the time, with little to no arguments. Kassidy's relationship with his symbiote would be a great foil to play against Eddie and Venom's dynamic. I would up the horror most definitely with Venom 2. Let there be actual carnage and up the ante.
These reviews were fantastic. I was skeptical of venom without spider man before seeing the first movie, but I actually think it works quite well. Venom 1 successfully made me care about and be invested in Eddie Brock as the protagonist (occasional idiot and “loser” that he is) and gave a reasonable origin for Venom all on his own. To me, that was very impressive because in other media he is so tied to spider-man. I wish Venom 2 had given Venom more to do than bicker with Eddie, break up, and have a final battle, but there are still scenes in enjoyed in that movie. I just didn’t like it much as a whole and really hope they step it up with Venom 3. I liked the first Venom a lot.
I love the "mask", "copy" part, and the part when Venom tells Eddie to jump out of the window of that building, then it cuts to Eddie taking the elevator, and Venom calls him a pussy lol
I liked the venom films a lot in the same way I like the two Ghost Rider movies. It's just refreshing to see Marvel Movies not made by Disney since X-Men stopped being good and died.
The first movie was almost a perfect one, but the second one lacked... well, carnage. I think they tried to take the initial charm of "censored gore" to the second one, where it didnt fit that well.
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I would say I definitely agree these movies are hurt by severing the Spider-Man connection entirely. The whole "Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man" concept in general just rubs me the wrong way, like Sony just can't have them side stories to MCU Spidey because they don't have a lot of control over that. And it looks to be even more of a clusterfuck with Morbius. I do object to that End of Evangelion meme about a forgettable soundtrack... like who can forget the moment the world was turned to orange goo while Komm, süsser Tod was playing in the background?
At least Morbius exists outside of Spider-Man, he appeared for the first time in amazing Spider-Man, but he still exists externally and has his own thing, the character existed before his first appearance.
Anyone who says evangelion had a forgettable soundtrack is a dipshit. Even the songs they didn't use (everything you've ever dreamed) are so unique. I watched EoE months ago for the first time and still listen to Komm Süsser Tod on my way to work fairly often 😂
I think the Venom movies were held back because of that PG13 age limit almost all superhero movies are forced into. Idk I feel like it could've been much better received if it was a dark comedy/action/horror, something in the same vein as The Babysitter. Edit: just wanna say I do love these movies with all my heart, they’re such fun train wrecks, it’s amazing.
I think I remember seeing something that the original movie was supposed to be rated R but then in the editing process they toned down a lot of things to make it PG-13 cause Sony obviously wanted to appeal to the edgy 12 year old's that would go probably go see the movie
The PG-13 rating isn’t the problem; the writing is. I think the films would’ve been fine with the rating it was given, its just the script that needs work.
This is the best take on these movies I have seen. Aware of the comics, but not bound to every little detail. Aware of the movies flaws and stupidity, but not blind to their fun and well executed moments. I couldn't agree more. I felt represent. Specially when he mentioned Cates run or classic comics.
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Even though the venom movies are silly, I for one, absolutely LOVED them. They were amazing to watch with friends. A movie doesn’t need to be 100% true to the source material to be enjoyed by the masses.
Not sure if this was answered yet and I know it's a bit late, but the Symbiotes can bond with anyone. Depending on the Symbiote, both the person and the Symbiote can influence each other. Like when Venom bonded with Deadpool he actually was just as crazy as Deadpool for a bit, or when Patrick Mulligan was teaching Toxin to be a hero and a nicer being.
While I’m definitely one of those people who would usually prefer that some comic book movies stick closer to the comics in some places, I definitely think that these Venom movies were fun to watch. Best way i can describe them is like B-Movies: very little in plot but has fun over-the-top scenes to make up for it.
I thought the comedy was a perfect balance between teens and adults. It doesn't really cater to just either. The first movie was great, second movie wasn't bad. I'm just hoping that if we get a third one it's done better than the first two
Venom will always hold a special place in my heart. Not for the movie itself, but because it was the first movie I went to see with my now fiancé. Four years and still going strong, and as a result, I just love it. That’s not to say it’s not without faults, there isn’t a “perfect” movie out there, it’s impossible. But it still has a very special meaning to me that I’m guessing not a lot of others felt for the movie.
The reason why they chose Riot is literally because he is the biggest, most muscular out of the five symbiotes. In fact, they wanted to include Carnage in the first film (they even made concept arts for their fight which is pretty similar to what we got but with Riot) but they decided to include him in the second film.
I'm a huge Venom fan ever since I was a kid and I was smiling the entire time during Venom 2. But yes these movies would've benefited majorly from actually having Spider-Man there.
of note: in the most recent spiderman movie with all 3 spidermen in it, after the credits, eddie brock (from the venom movies) is talking to a bartender asking him about how the thanos incident happened as if he knew nothing about it, and he left some symbiote goo on the bartop before disappearing (assumedly going back to his world after everything in that movie was resolved) so assumedly the next spiderman movie will have a NEW symbiote with the marvel spiderman, keeping the two movies seperate to some degree while also having venom as a villain for spiderman.
I watched Natural Born Killers when I got my first tattoo & it was so good that I honestly can't say I felt any pain from the tattoo process, and now I'm a die hard Woody fan. Glad to see someone mention one of my favorite films!
I think people need to understand that Venom and Eddie Brock’s relationship is like any other relationship that gets long and stale. You tick each other off after spending so much time with each other. But there are tons of problems in the movies and I always enjoy your videos
The only gripe I have about the venom movies was that it wasn’t as gory as I’d hoped it would be but otherwise I love the venom movies so much for their goofiness
33:26 for some dumb reason I fucking loved this out of context scene so much, they talked so fast to each other that I couldn't take in all the information, I was laughing at it for too long
To me, I think Let there be Carnage works so well because it knows exactly what it is and is going to go all out on the cheese, and I always saw Venom as being goofy enough to do that.
I saw the first one in theaters with my roommate. I have never had more fun watching a movie in my life. Even though it was not good man did we have a blast alone in the theater making fun and laughing the whole time.
I LOVE Venom so MUCH!!! The relationship between Venom and Eddie is iconic in my opinion! The first one was goofy but the second one is VERY goofy but still love it 😂😂😂 Also I kinda thought it was a little shady of Ann calling Eddie to the restaurant to only tell him she was getting married and then have the audacity of getting mad at Eddie for not being completely over the moon for it. Like girl you know he's crazy about you of COURSE he was be upset! Lol 😂😂😂
The actor’s kid is gonna look like his favorite comic book character now since his dad is the movie adaptation. That’s pretty cool if he takes after his dad.
It’s the same reason why Daredevil 2003 and Fantastic 4 movies(except the reboot) are insane. they’re not well written but its dumb fun. BvS and Capt Marvel are NOT
I think too many people take these films too serious. I understand that fans want a serious and dark adaptation of the character, and it looks like with the new Tom Holland trilogy, we’ll be getting that. Just be patient, and appreciate these films for recreating the goofy ass era of Venom comics from the 90s.
I think 99% of people know that the movies are intentionally comedic and goofy, like the "real" Venom is, but there's a difference between fun goofy and bad writing goofy lol.
Honestly, I got obsessed with these movies because of Tom Hardy. He is awesome and special effects were AMAZING. The way he voiced him was great. Venom looked sick. I agree, in the second Venom needed to have more dark/serious moments, that would’ve helped the second film be less cringe.
I think giving Eddie (sorry if I spelled his name wrong) a kinda whisper voice is also a good touch to add to that (imo) sickly look he has- maybe to even push the point forward he’s got a “secret”?
I really loved both of them! They were amazing movies, the firsy one was really "so bad its good", while the cringe seemed ironic and inentional, like you were watching a silly comic book to life
Back when I was younger, I used to be a venom fan but drifted from it. It wasn’t until watching these movies that made me a Venom fan again! Tom Hardy does pretty well as the symbiotic anti-hero! I don’t care what people say about these movies, I genuinely enjoyed these two films. Hope everyone has a good day 👍
Was that the Kurtis Conner “Helicopter, Helicopter” sound?! Omg that was awesome 😂♥️ Thanks for the Venom video review. I never watched these movies, but your review makes it so interesting!
i love these. tom hardy and the woman act the shit out of their roles, the relationshiop of the symbiote and the human is really funny, and overhall its really fun movies
See the funny thing about the "they'll have to make an all new origin story for their rivalry" was kind of solved with the end of the newest Spiderman movie. Where it was lightly touched on that because of the multiversal shenanigans that happened it caused the memories of Toby's Venom to merge with the Solo Venom so he already knows who Tom's Spiderman is. While Tom won't know who Venom is, Venom knows exactly who he is.
I too liked both movies, especially the second because carnage is my litteral 2nd favorite character, also on the comics being holy grail part at 8:13 , my opinion is that it's good that movies only take inspiration and don't create 1:1 copy. It makes it a add on to the whole marvel universe and not just a movie about a 1 comic
I think we might be a couple weeks late for the Valentine’s Day sale lol I hope in the third movie they do a non-symbiote villain it’s already feeling like the first few seasons of the Flash of just having the hero fight evil version of themselves, Carnage did a pretty good job distinguishing himself from Venom but Riot was practically identical
I'm also a big fan of Tom Hardy. One film of his that doesn't get enough love, IMO, is "Lawless". It has a cadt consisting of Shia LaBeouf, Dane DeHaan, Guy Pearce, Jessica Chastain, and Jason Clarke. It ticks all my boxes, too: period piece with lots of violence, an excellent cast putting in great performances, and good writing with an interesting and impactful story. Plus, Tom Hardy!
I think in the latest Venom Comics Saga (The one with the Symbiote God), Eddie was fighting with the Symbiote because he found out that Venom made Eddie BELIEVE that he had cancer while he actually didn't because it was afraid that Eddie wouldn't want it. I loved that saga because then you learn how Eddie got a child (WHICH WAS VERY WEIRD) and he had to to comfort his father, great story
Check out "Rock N Rolla", Tom was awesome/hilarious in that too as Handsome Bob E: Also hope Elvis gets a notification to this video, because of the whole sponsorship dilemma. 25:54
I never knew that it affected mood, venom could've been so moody this movie because he was only eating chicken brains which probably didn't contain much so he was probably on edge all the time.
Man, I don’t even care if these movies are considered ‘bad,’ I think these are great romps. A breath of fresh air compared to the Eternal’s which had me struggling to remain awake
@@4Everlast I think they were solid films that people WANTED to hate the instant they came out. It’s not even a ‘so bad it’s good’ kind of deal for me, I think they’re genuinely good romps. The second moreso than the first because the creators hadn’t found their footing with these characters yet. That’s my opinion and though that’s a rare one to have, I have it. Say I’m wrong, say I have crap taste, I don’t care. Just let me enjoy my movies about Tom Hardy talking to CGI goo
@@comicalpeculiarity6174 I didn't see any hate for the films at all, just the opposite. Especially with Hardy being cast. BUT things went a bit down hill the moment people realized it's PG13. We got a man eating alien creature biting heads off, and not a single drop of blood? Solid what?? Solid films, my man? It doesn't stand any proper film making test, even Hardy can't save it. I wish i could enjoy it, but there's literally nothing to enjoy for me here. The apartment fight is ok, but that's it, man. Nothing stands out, not a single memorable thing. You keep having fun with this, i hope they make more of them for you, but for now, yeah... Not for me. You're wrong in saying they're good films, cause that's objective, BUT you can say YOU like them all you want, it's subjective, i wish i could but it ain't happening. I haven't seen the second one yet, but i hear from 50 people it's more of the same, so... We'll see.
@@4Everlast you didn’t see ANY hate for the films whatsoever? I don’t know where you’ve been but everyone collectively chose to pan these films for daring to exist without Spider-Man. I adore these films because they’re fun and not formulaic. It sounds like you’ve based the ‘objective opinion’ on your own, at least for the first movie. And let me say this, the fact there’s no blood shouldn’t surprise people at all. Rarely is gore shown in such an explicit fashion for Venom’s character. Furthermore, it’s a character that appeals to younger audiences so I’m not sure what you or anyone else was expecting. When I say ‘solid’ I mean that it’s got solid production values, performances etc. If you don’t like these films that’s fine but I think people are too harsh to them. I think there’s a lot of enjoyment to be had here without it being incomprehensible
While I am aware that these are far from masterpieces, I still absolutely love these movies. Venom and Carnage were always my all time favorite Marvel characters, and being able to see them on the big screen was such a dream come true for me. While I know that they are cringey and cheesy, I love the movies even more because of that. I feel like that just made it feel even more like a comic book movie. I like how Andy Cerkis really dove into the campiness that comes with comic books. But I will still say my complaints. My number one complaint about both Venom movies (and my friends and family know this because I bring it up every time that we are discussing them) is that they aren't rated r. Venom and ESPECIALLY Carnage are supposed to be dark and brutal characters. I mean, Cletus Cassidy is a serial killer with a brain eating symbiote. If that hadn't stuck with the PG rating, imagine how much better these movies would be. I personally think that Venom and Venom: Let There Be Carnage, would both work better if they were horrors. Just because they would be horror movies, does not mean that they couldn't keep all of the epic fighting scenes or hilarious dialogue. They could still have the feel of great super hero movie, if they had just leaned into what made Venom, Venom, and what made Carnage, Carnage. There is also the massive pacing issue in both of the movies, but that has already been brought up half a billion times so I will just leave that to you guys. But in conclusion, Venom (and Let There Be Carnage) are both great comic-book movies in my eyes! They did a great job translating and changing what they needed to, as well as making these amazing characters come to life with some really great design choices! (besides Riot's color change. Not so happy about that one)
God job Elvis. We’ve seen you come so far and I think I speak for most of the people that have been watching you for a while when I say that I’m proud of your accomplishments. Hope to see you continue to grow and make great content!
I was shocked by how positive the CinemaSins video for the second Venom movie was. Not because I expected the movie to be bad. Just because I'm surprised when they openly admit to liking anything lol.
Late to the party but this was a fun video! Always love your ability to rip a movie completely but still give legitimate praise where due. Please bring back the meme part for movies where it makes sense becauseI haven't laughed that hard in a while! Keep up the great work Elvis!
Finally, someone who appreciates these movies for how fun they are while acknowledging that they’re goofy and kinda stupid. Also Shriek was the reason I enjoyed Venom 2 a little less
I 100% agree with the second part. I think everyone does.
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I read that as "Shrek" and almost gave you a downvote there!! (everything becomes better with Shrek)
Read too fast.
Brain Saw Shrek.
Venom 2 was hot trash. The first one at least one as bad.
Idk I personally really like Venom's cheesy speeches whenever he would capture a bad guy, shows he doesn't fully understand the whole superhero thing and is just trying to be cool
Yep, loved them..
Literally what was happening lol!
Oh, definitely. Venom has absolutely no idea how to be a proper superhero here but it works out anyway since eating bad guys gets to happen.
he can say whatever stupid stuff he wants, because who's gonna stop him?
Yeah, that's the problem.
Venom in the movie is TRYING to be cool.
Venom in the comics IS cool.
If I were making these movies, I would turn up the horror aspect by a lot. I’ve heard from other sources that the venom movie was supposed to lean a lot on body horror, and I feel that there’s a lot of potential if it was a straight up horror movie.
Everyone says they want a venom horror movie which is funyn cause the actual comics dont have thay much of it....
@@billyboleson2830 I know right? For some reason I can't associate Venom with horror...
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My favorite thing about these movies is how chill Ann's new boyfriend is. It would be really easy to make him a dick and a rival for Eddie but he's a genuinely nice guy that tries to help. They also don't make getting her back a prize for Eddie which is pretty refreshing. These movies overall are pretty fun imo.
he could've been paul so easily but they made him so nice
i just can’t hate these movies. tom hardy has so much fun with them and i love that they’re going with the curious “romantic” aspect of the relationship between eddie and venom that is portrayed in the comics. i personally can’t wait for the third one lmao
They had a romance in the comic?
@@flying-magpieit’s more of a metaphor buddy, he means how they communicate to each other and directly interact much like married couples
@@flying-magpiemore of a ‘bro-mance’
@@BrianSmith-mv8tqnah they fuckin in the comics
@@Themanwhosoldtheworld1972 eddy and venom fuck fr? i need the comic right now. for collecting purposes of course.
I have a hot take on this. I was always a really big venom fan growing up and it's obvious that these movies stray very far from The Source material but I found them extremely entertaining and funny especially in the second one with the chickens, the chickens were the highlight of the movie for me. While these movies are not a homerun by no means I think they are a good example of taking Source material and adapting it making dramatic changes without completely destroying it
Yes, I agree. The worst thing a movie can possibly be is boring, and even though both Venom movies are pretty dumb, they're still fun as hell to watch.
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Hot take: this isn’t actually that hot of a take, these movies are pretty silly but also unironically pretty cool.
The chickens were the best part because I own a couple including some roosters. Seeing them be free at the end of the film was cute.
@@Tucker_EgoDrone same here lol
The fact that Tom Hardy is the same man who played Bane in TDNR is just…unbelievable. That’s some really good acting ranges this guy’s got.
Just shows what a great director Chris Nolan is.
Bro, he played the role in Warrior and the Dark Knight really well
He’s increasingly become one of my favorite actors since I first saw him in Inception. Everything I’ve seen him in since has just made me like him more.
TDKR*
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in all honesty, I might be biased but one of the main reasons I love the movies (probably more than other people) is how they made venom look. in my opinion, the tom hardy version is what venom would most likely look like if he was real and i just think its so cool. his design is not only big and daunting, but the way his mouth and eyes move is so creepy and he just looks so much better than the one in the Tobey Maguire movies. I feel like out of all the versions of venom we've seen tom hardy's is the best.
heavily agree
That's also because Tom's Venom is the closest to the comic since the 90s cartoon.
I actually found Let there be Carnage pretty fucking entertaining.
Form the "death to you father, not you father, you father" or "Ohh, I know this one, dassa treeeeeee"
To Venom gtfo of there as soon as he understands that Carnage is his son
I just don't know anymore, man. Something in my tiny monkey brain just clicks with this type of humor.
I mean, y'all still remember the gif of the bread falling over? Yea, that shit still fucking gets me
I like the part where he says "oh no that's a red one" lol
The thing I found that helped the most is the movie using people not understanding asexual reproduction to give us both Carnage and Toxin in an easy way.
I loved it too! You're not alone there 😅
I remembered the gif and JAKSJAKAKAK
the humor in venom is top tier
I love how sometimes in the background you see a man in a thick venom costume thrusting and pointing up the middle finger, it’s just hilarious.
I'm so confused I can't even laught
I love how you are practically the only comment about it
Mark that point in the video.
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If you view the Venom movies as romantic comedies, you can't have a bad time (unless you're one of the people who choose to ignore Eddie and Venom's canonical relationship)
nothing brings me more joy than dudebros doing mental gymnastics trying to make eddie and venom's relationship just two dudes not knowing that they have a kid together
I was surprised he didn’t mention people saying that they are in love with each other and the fact Venom tells Eddie he loves him at the end. I actually find that thread interesting and have no problem with that theory but don’t know if it’s what the director and writers intended or not.
It's blatantly obvious they are in a relationship in the 2nd one when they actually break up!
Whatever some weirdo wrote in the comics isn't canon to the films and symbiotes don't reproduce the way humans do. This is stupid.
@@bayonetababe9697 I don't think so. Venom/Eddie became an accidental thing in Venom 1 and they capitalised on the fangirls hype in the second one with all the "romcom vibes". Which just sounds less natural than the first one.
its pretty clearly stated in the movie that the symbiotes can sense who is a decent match for them to be able to last the longest inside of. so the old lady and the little girl just happen to be compatible, just like eddie being compatible
Just because they explain it away doesn't mean it makes sense lol. How would an old lady be a good, long lasting host. Seems like that would be the worst choice for a host and was just done as something funny, like "haha the symbiote is in an old lady and now hes in a little girl"
@@inyrui sure, it was done as a joke, but its fine. its biology. its genetics. it doesnt matter that shes old, if you put a parasite in a host it cant survive in then it dies. a symbiote needs the same thing. it needs to be able to live inside the host.
on a biological level its typically down to things like blood type and specific protein synthesis.
@@ge2719 on a biological level an old lady is possibly the weakest host there is next to a baby lol. As if there aren't people with the same blood type around the old lady who aren't elderly and frail. But hey it's movie logic so whatever
@@inyrui it's literly science so accept it however I agree with you that it could've have better host throughout the movie
@@inyrui Why would age be the factor? I thought it had to do with genetics.
One thing I noticed in the second movie is that Venom looks a LOT less shiny and gooey like. He looked really dull and sort of mate which doesn't really work with the whole fact that he is a symbiote and is foreign to Earth. Making him look gooey and more slimy and more as a sickening slime made him look WAY more alien and foreign rather than him being all dull, another problem with Venom being dull is that he doesn't nearly stick out as much and it brings less attention to him and sort of makes him look like a matte muddy mass.
I'm not sure if this is the reason or not....but I'm an animation student. Shiny things take much longer render. Like WAY longer because of the complex lighting math the computer has to do. In my school we're told to lower the specularity (shineyness) because our computers aren't that good. Otherwise our renders will never be done on time. The time from my most recent project went from 15 minutes per frame to 5 minutes. So it's a big difference.
However, this is a big studio that definitely has a render farm. But the animation in the second one is significantly worse. I'm not sure what the situation was but time is usually the culprit when it comes to vfx and overall animation.
@@Rigiroony ohh I see thank you for your answer! I agree on how time can really taint the final product when it comes to the VFX and overall animation!
@@Rigiroonymaybe it's a budget thing. I honestly forgot how he looks in the movie until i saw this video and it look worse than i remembered. But yes not only the animation is worse, the render is worse, and also the comp is also worse than the first movie. It's weird
@@ilhamadigunawan5264 when it comes to entertainment (Especially VFX and Animation) it's always a budget/time thing. That's why the new marvel movies look so bad. Too much work for less workers/time. On the opposite spectrum you have something like Spider verse because Sony splurged and hired freelance animators to take on some of the work from their team. Cost more, but it got done on time!
@@Rigiroony yeah sadly movie is a product to sell
The fact that Tom Hardy had the idea to jump in the lobster tank, even though the tank they had at the time was too small, is nothing short of inspiring 🤣
the way they changed up the story to simplify things and still introduce venom without Spiderman was kind of creative and I really liked both movies because of the humor and cool action scenes making venom the good guy or an anti-hero like dead-pool
I wanted carnage to literally tear people apart in the sequel. If only it was rated R.
That tongue death though
Rated R doesn't mean quality, look at Hellboy 2019
@@samuelsmith5400 at least it had sick deaths.
@@samuelsmith5400 look at Logan
@@samuelsmith5400 look at Deadpool
I think they would be better if they focused more on the relationship between Eddie and Venom. Their banter is the best parts of both films. I think exploring that and the romantic side present in the comics would be great
I'm not a comic reader so I have no idea, but is the romantic (albeit toxic they say) relationship actually canon? I thought it was just a running joke because of their banter being like a married couple.
@@jans.g6033 Eddie and venom have a child canonicaly.
@@conorbyrne7968 wtf?
@@uajrh1 It's a symbiote,can't remember it's name but Google will be better than me
Imo I thought their banter was the worst part of both films lol. It's so annoying. But that's just me
Fun fact, in the comics the second movie's climax wouldn't make sense since carnage and casiday actually had a greater bond than any other symbiote. They even refer to themselves as 'I' instead of 'we'. Yeah the comics were weird but I honestly wish the second movie stuck closer to the comics since carnage is a great villain in them.
Carnage is a decent antagonist but he has some god awful writers in the comics
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Yeah it made no sense, Cletus usually speaks as Carnage and literally abandons his past identity as Cassidy... I hated this facet of the plot also.
Yeah I realized the finale was going to be dumb when I noticed that, it's like the entire point of those two.
And also Carnage is supposed to gave 360 degree vision, able to see out of every part of his body...so not being able to see people doing shit above him was just dumb.
Good God I just wish we'd get Carnage and Venom like in the 90's cartoon, how can an extremely PG cartoon where Spider-Man wasn't even allowed to punch people have scarier villains than a PG-13 movie today?
@@mrcheesemunch Fun fact: The 90s version is the only animated Carnage that is also Cletus Kassidy, every other animated incarnation has been someone else
Elvis, I can't believe you didn't talk about Carnage hacking into the internet. That part killed me.
I have been a major venom fan before the Venom movies came out and when I watched them, I was so happy. There were the best movies I ever seen
I personally liked these movies a lot. I know they aren't perfect and I can't disagree with the critisism but sometimes you just wanna watch a cheesy homoerotic romcom between Tom Hardy and Tom Hardy's deeper voice.
Personally I'd love to see a King In Black- movie adaption, but maybe with a little less superheroes. If you could get Sleeper and Dylan Brock in there I would totally be here for it, these two are amazing characters and would fit into the story well.
I feel like critiquing this franchise at this point is just kicking a dead horse. We know it’s not amazing, and has its flaws. But it’s all for entertainment and just that alone. The same way we viewed action for years, just lots of booms and bangs and crashes that are insanely fun to see and laugh at. It’s all about the showmanship and having a fun time in the theatre. We could sit here and pick apart marvel and Sony all day but it’s just not worth it. They’re over budgeted films, that are made to appeal to all generations and all viewers in some way or another. I wouldn’t say they’re cringe at all, they’re just another addition to a franchise that’s never going to be perfect but does well regardless.
I feel like if this is cringe, then deadpool is straight up ick haha. They’re very similar films. Extremely similar films and the characters are portrayed in very similar ways. And I know the same people who adore deadpool are ones who are very vocal about these films not being up to par.
@@choptopjo You can have a fun action movie with a good story they are not mutually exclusive. Sure these movies are never gonna be perfect but a decent story would be a good start.
I also do sometimes just wanna see a dumb homoerotic monster romance movie
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@@choptopjo Deadpool's writing & dialogue is INFINITELY more clever. It has overwhelming amounts of irony to shield itself from some of its lesser jokes. Venom does not.
It's kinda ironic that almost every Spiderman villain in the movies has a deep personal connection to him but the villain who has arguably the deepest and most personal connection was basically forced to no longer have a connection.
Venom was never a villain he was always an anti heroXD
@@TheDailyGlobe922 thats not true..thats factually false..he started as a spider-man villain in the mid 80's as spider-mans main nemise after green goblins death he filled that void and it took until the mid 90s when canrage was introdcued where venom started to bracnh of in to anti hero teroatry after putting his differecnes aside with spider-man to fouse on the bigger picture of taking down a much worse and bigger threat they couldnt beat themselves..only then did venom start turnign in to a anit hero and venoms apst with spider-man is cursual to his character and is important to his origin and is one fot he main thigns thta mkaes venom itneresting as a character..hes a cracked mirror verison of spider-man in morality everything about venom from his look to his sense of humour but more dark and twisted, his spider-powers and web shooting abilitys liek web swining the spider logo on his chest..hell peter parker is the first host of the symbiote and without him venom isnt venom..hes jsut ranomd symbiote thats bonded to some ranomd guy..what made venom was the symbiote and eddies combiend hate of spider-man and dewire or ravange filled him with rage and anger and was driven to not only kill spider-mna but ruin his life and making his life a liveing hell playing with him like a toy until he broke..venom is bascially spider-mans equivlvent ofr vegeta from dragon ball z..wheres hes a dakr refelction of goku and starts as a villain and becomes gokus rival and voer time becomes an anti hero working wiht spdier-man until eventulaly forgiving spider-man enough to let go of his hate of him and fighitn along side him when the tiem calls for it excpet venom is way more populer and better handled as vegeta these days just plays second place to goku whie venom became so populer he broke away from spider-man and evolved alot a ahcaracter...his villain years with spider-man is essentail his origin and character and story and its just as important to him as uncle ben is to peter and the death of batmans parents is to him they are important and should play some role or be repersented in some way..hell i would say hes more important becuase spider-man doesnt jsut die to motivate venom like uncle ben and batmans parents do he instead helps mold him and his character threw different jurneys of his life from being a villain driven by revenge and then later finding redemeption for his past ways and spdier-man is also needed for that redmeption becuase him forgivieng spider-man and tursting him and wokrign along side and fight with him instead og agaisnt him signfays eddie and venoms characters grouth...
venom is the absoutle worst villain to try make them disconected from spider-man as his origin and and entire character comes directly from him..atleas morbius oriign was not tied to spider-man in any way..there relationship goes as far as spider-man getting inthe way of tryign to stop morbius form feeding on people and alos helping to find away to cure and help morbius with his vamprisisum..but him becoming morbius was nothign to do with him..you could totallt do a morbius origin sotry before ruining in to spider-man..same with the black cat..because black cat became black cat before meeting spider-man she was a cat theif burgerley that one days spider-man came across so you could show here oriign and begings as black cat before her run in with spider-man..same wiht silver sable shes an mercanry that runs her own sqaud and is form her own fictional countery of simcaria ( i dont know if i spelled that right) and one dya she had a run in with spider-man when she was hired to go after him...could show her becomeing siviler sable and see her on other mercary jobs that deosnt involve hunting down spider-man..could just pick any of spider-mans long line up of villains the mvoies has no plans on useings and use them as a villain for her to go upagaisnt as a target...but venom...is the aboslutely worse character to try that with..venom shuld appear as avillain in a spider-man movie first and thne afterwars branch out in to his ownsolo storys..you know like the comics did...removing spider-man from venoms sony maks venom not venom..hes just some random symbiote bonded to some ranomd guy who just so happened to be named venom..the venom name came in to effect when eddie and the symbiote first bonded which is why thye refer to themselves as we and us becuase they are venom and then together makes venom but him already being called venom beforemeeting brock kind of makes the WE are venom stuff meaningless..but sony wasnt willing to wait until they was ready to tell the sotry with tom and wanted to rush out a venom movie as fast possible and didnt want to put in the actual wokr and effort to set one up properly and make it truely good isntead of just a dumb stupid but fun movie as venom as charater and story can and ahs doen so much better and captureing his arc properly on screen in lvie actions wkould make venom go down as one of the best comicbook movie characters bt that ship slaed as this verison of venom is utterly hollow and shallow...its fun and umb but at what corst..the cost beign a much better movie
@@donbirkinshaw1630 yeah I think the venom movie proved that Venom can stand on his own and have an origin without spiderman. If you don't like it then go read the comics or literally an other thing
@@donbirkinshaw1630 also yes he was an anti-hero.the only one that believed Venom was a villain was spiderman. Even in the later comics it was established that peter was the one that corrupted it. And yes he tried to kill spiderman but even then he never hurt the innocents
@@TheDailyGlobe922 thats not true...thats false he was avillain why you lying and he did indeed hurt and kill innocent civilians in his way in order to get at spider-man and get under his skin and tried to kill his loved oens who are innconet victims in all this that did nothign wrong to venom or eddie..if he wanted to kill spider-man he couild of did it in away that left his innocnet family out of it..but he ddint..becuase he was a villain driven insane with rage and revenge and killed people in his way because he knew spider-man didnt like it and use peoples lifes agaisnt him as he realseid its his biggest weakness..and no he cant wokr on his own..sony kind of self admited when they said..oh we are going to have this movie be stand alone and then in the very next movie try and FORCE in a connection wit spider-man when tis alreayd long past to late becuase they dont know etch otherand have no inbuilt rivalry and he realsied venom would not be a sustainable series without spider-man so tried to force venom in the mcu before he was yetted back out.they know spider-man is needed ..but they just dont care..your wrong and your points are bullshit...if your adapting a story they should be soem attempt at trying tp capturee the imporant elements of said character and story to the audiecnes to do justice to the character and story..thats what an adaptation of someone else previous work should be ortherwsie its jsut a complete disresepct disregardgin everything that made venom or the thing your adapting populer and interesting in the first place..differecnes and deviations are fine but not if they are core important parts of characters and storys and spider-man and venons relationship is massviley important.without spider-man venom isnt venom..hes venom in name only and is slap in the face to actual venom fans and the socure material..there is no love or passion put in to these movies by sony but corrprate money grubing greed wanting to bleed to spider-man ip dry of every last drop..just because venom made money doesnt mean he works without spdier-man..he simpley doesnt..venom is much more flat and hollow character in comparison.i mean venoms arc in venom one happens over the coruse of like 30 minutes and taks place over the course eof like a couple nights at max in unvierse and goes from im going to use you as a meet puppet to get what i want to oh its pretty here i like it here and i like you eddie know wiht no actually build up or devlopment he doesnt have an arc he jsut randomly changes his mind..thats a terrible character...venoms arc in the actuall soruce material has alot more depth, build up and development then this does..the only way i can see you would be fine with something like this is 1 you have no respect to the soruce material that alowed the movie to exist togein with or if you literally do not care about good story structure, character development or good writing..all this movie offers is dumb meaningless braindead fun...when venom as a character can do and be so much more...im not in the wrong for realiseing a characters true pretental is being wasted and held back by corrupet greed and not by any sort of artistic merit..and you saying venom started out as a anti hero and said he never killed inncoents yeah i can guess easily you didnt and dont read comcis and yet your trying to dictate who and how this character you do not read or know about should act and be..,.venom was afull on revenge hate obsesed villain..the anti hero came later..jsut because a villain has a sympfetic backsrounds and storys and motivations doesnt stop them from not being villains..mr freese has one fo the most tragic supervillain origin storys and has a goal thats understandable..he tried curieng his wife who was dying from a rare terminal illness and froze her while waiting to find a cure..his funding gets cut down by his boss which leads to her death due to his boss greed and neglecnes and causes an accident that leaves mr freeze living in permement ice cold temprature and cant even live in normal room temprature making him cold and unfeeling and traped in a suit and wants revenge for what happened to him and his wife..thats a understanable and tragic motviation..but hes still a villain and not an anti hero..venom was a villain its important to his character and background and he eventually breaks away from being a villain and finds redemption as a anti-hero...so no your objectively factaully wrong and yet you double down on being wrong isntead of jsut addmiting mistake and making up excuses for the movies and the thigns you said..the hate the movies get are compeletly justifed..hell even this video is talking about how these movies are bad..they are just bad movies he likes that he finds entertaning which is fine because atleast hes not blind and ignorant to the movies quality and lack there of and points that out and highlights that while you are jsut making up excuses and bullshit remarks
I think the "who is Ann" is because he doesn't understand human emotions so Ann is just another human to him and doesn't understand why she is special for Eddie
but if he knew everything about eddie as he said he did by obsorbing his memorys as he stated he did then he should alreayd know who ann is and her signfieces to eddie she was literally his fiancee even if he didnt know what thatword or relaitnship means he would absoutlety kbnow who ann is becuase the symbiotes share memeorys and emtions with ethc other host..whcih is way venom wanted eddie to despreatelly get bakc wiht ann in venom 2..no its jsut a plot hole inconsistency
@@donbirkinshaw1630 Venom didn't start going through Eddie's memories until after Anne showed up.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 thats not true..the scene is even shows in this movie review and elvis mentions..it he literally say i am inside your head eddie and know everything about you..thats should also include anne who he was in a serosuly long term realtionship with said person years before venom boned with eddie and they was togetehr at the begining of movie before eddie and venom met..meaning venom should know who anne is and wouldn of needed to ask and even if he didnt he could of jsut looked threw eddies meomorys for anne if he was curious and wouldnt of had to or needed to ask him who is anne..stop lying and makeing up excuses for bad, lazyand inconsitencet story writing..venom would of immedatlely absorbed eiddes meorys the momement he bonded with him thats how symbiotes like venom works they work like that in comics, tv shwos and games and they even mentioned this in the movies as something venom and the symbiotes can do and after the bike chase he literally says to eddie i know everything about you eddie..and with annn being an improtant promenant figure in his life he would of known about her and woudlnt of had to ask..who is ann..it jsut makes venom look stupid and full of shit
I gotta respect Sony for making a Venom franchise that doesn’t start off with Spider-Man.
Yeah, ruining the potential for an epic team up, mad respect
@@py16667 have you seen the post credit scene for venom 2
@@ParrotsAccount yes? It literally lead to nothing but another tease, remember?
@py16667 yeah it lead to Venom being in the Mcu probably as a villain why have a hero version of Venom try to kill Spider-Man?
@@dropkick3024 I meant that it is impressive that Sony made a Venom film that not only has no Spider-Man but is also decent. The concept should’ve easily failed and yet the film was fun and enjoyable
tom hardy's passion for the bond between his character and the symbiote (which is romantic tbh) is what makes this series great lol. also woody harrelson is iconic
Ah na rip movies before 2016
Honestly if that is true that Hardy's son helped Tom by telling him how Venom and Brock should interact actually explains a lot. Not saying the kid did a bad job because that's honestly probably the best we can do the relationship without it getting ridiculous it's just funny how ironic that is because most people refer to Venom and Brock's relationship as if it were written by kids lol
You mean filmento
That makes it even worse
Not entirely true, Tom accepted the role because his son loves Venom.
It's the same reason Viggo played Aragorn in LOTR.
It could be just me, but I feel like there should've been a lot more Carnage in Venom: "Let There Be Carnage"
Yea they already ruined the movie as soon as it was announced to be pg-13 u can’t make a kids movie w venom and especially carnage
Oh well thanks captain fkin obvious. Very nice original comment there.
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Absolutely
I really tried to enjoy Venom 2 but the fact that they watered down Kassidy/Carnage to this tragic sympathetic figure really let me down.
Kassidy was already a terrifying person, even without the symbiote. A psychopathic serial killer with limited impulse control and takes pleasure in what he does. Then give him the symbiote and he's a hundred times more dangerous. This is one of the most terrifying villains in Marvel comics. Even the 90s Spiderman cartoon played up the horror whenever he was on screen, giving this little girl nightmares for days.
You said the scene where Carnage throws someone off the bridge was a good way to showcase how ruthless he is...well I would up that ante and go back to the prison.
After Carnage kills the guards, warden, and the executioner; he turns to face the cheering prisoners who are more than happy for the 'jail break'. Carnage gets a strange gleeful look in his eyes, and realizing this, the prisoners get quiet. Cue the absolute Carnage that ensues, as he tears through the prisoners. Since it's technically a PG-13 film, I would also settle with the camera panning in front of a blurry window and seeing a silhouette of the psycho tearing through the prisoners. After he gets done Carnage finally breaks out of prison, shifting into Kassidy who proceeds to whistle as he walks away.
Kassidy IS ruthless. He is a monster through and through.
Also no matter how many people like Shriek (heck I like Shriek), I really don't see Kassidy going out of his way to save her. Much less be this lovey dovey with her. If Kassidy were to have someone around, it would only benefit him to an extent. Think of it like the toxic relationship between Joker and Harley.
You have a vulnerable girl, who is a mutant, with no family whatsoever. Perhaps she was abandoned by them. That would explain why she would be so attached to Kassidy who showed affection, and have a sort of loyalty to him. She loves him, but he would be more than happy to throw her under a non-metaphorical bus just to see her splat.
Then there is the Carnage symbiote...hoo boy.
One of the most fascinating things about Carnage as a whole, is that unlike other symbiote hosts, which refers to themselves as 'we', Carnage/Kassidy refers to the two as 'I'. He and his relationship with his symbiote, is so PERFECT. They act as if they are a single entity. Their mind is undivided. It's also why he's more dangerous compared to Venom. Eddie and his symbiote have an up and down relationship, sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad. And sometimes that affects their fighting. You don't see that with Carnage. His relationship is perfect all the time, with little to no arguments. Kassidy's relationship with his symbiote would be a great foil to play against Eddie and Venom's dynamic.
I would up the horror most definitely with Venom 2. Let there be actual carnage and up the ante.
Lmao the "death to you father" joke legit made me laugh so hard though 😂😂😂
These reviews were fantastic. I was skeptical of venom without spider man before seeing the first movie, but I actually think it works quite well. Venom 1 successfully made me care about and be invested in Eddie Brock as the protagonist (occasional idiot and “loser” that he is) and gave a reasonable origin for Venom all on his own. To me, that was very impressive because in other media he is so tied to spider-man. I wish Venom 2 had given Venom more to do than bicker with Eddie, break up, and have a final battle, but there are still scenes in enjoyed in that movie. I just didn’t like it much as a whole and really hope they step it up with Venom 3. I liked the first Venom a lot.
Don’t apologize for the reviews being long a lot of us love having all the extra content
Oh sweet a desperately needed 55 minute break from the unending existential dread
Same
Same
@@wurmrave6831 same
Now go back to your existential dread, break is over :)
man, I felt this so much
I love the "mask", "copy" part, and the part when Venom tells Eddie to jump out of the window of that building, then it cuts to Eddie taking the elevator, and Venom calls him a pussy lol
I actually really enjoyed both of them! Loved the camp and cheese and Venom's silly monologs
i like how venom just appears in the back to flip him off every once in a while its funny kinda
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I liked the venom films a lot in the same way I like the two Ghost Rider movies. It's just refreshing to see Marvel Movies not made by Disney since X-Men stopped being good and died.
That’s Fox’s fault not Disney’s
@@anonymousproductionsxd2912 I know. I said Marvel Movies not made by Disney since X-Men stopped being good. I was not relating Disney to X-Men
@@Unremarkable6969 oh
I’m mean Venom is probably gonna be done better by Disney then Sony, since now they have there own version of venom.
@@Unremarkable6969 the X-Men franchise should've ended with Logan.
Dark Phoenix is just....no
The first movie was almost a perfect one, but the second one lacked... well, carnage. I think they tried to take the initial charm of "censored gore" to the second one, where it didnt fit that well.
For me the second one felt too rushed
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I feel like the sequel’s original title would’ve fit a lot more than 'Let There Be Carnage' for that reason.
@@hejolasia6692 Yep, cant agree more
I still like the second better because it’s just pure cheesy goodness without the slow beginning the first had
You’re right Tom Hardy’s probably one of the best actors of our time
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When a movie called carnage has less violence than a 2010 cartoon network show
90s or 2000s cartoon network show*
I would say I definitely agree these movies are hurt by severing the Spider-Man connection entirely. The whole "Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man" concept in general just rubs me the wrong way, like Sony just can't have them side stories to MCU Spidey because they don't have a lot of control over that. And it looks to be even more of a clusterfuck with Morbius.
I do object to that End of Evangelion meme about a forgettable soundtrack... like who can forget the moment the world was turned to orange goo while Komm, süsser Tod was playing in the background?
At least Morbius exists outside of Spider-Man, he appeared for the first time in amazing Spider-Man, but he still exists externally and has his own thing, the character existed before his first appearance.
Not to mention the great classical music that always plays in Eva
Who tf needs Reddit posts to understand EoE?! It was so simple, the world ended is all.
Anyone who says evangelion had a forgettable soundtrack is a dipshit. Even the songs they didn't use (everything you've ever dreamed) are so unique. I watched EoE months ago for the first time and still listen to Komm Süsser Tod on my way to work fairly often 😂
I think the Venom movies were held back because of that PG13 age limit almost all superhero movies are forced into. Idk I feel like it could've been much better received if it was a dark comedy/action/horror, something in the same vein as The Babysitter.
Edit: just wanna say I do love these movies with all my heart, they’re such fun train wrecks, it’s amazing.
I don’t think an R rating would’ve saved these movies
@@Devon.with.an.i maybe they could’ve gotten away with a better plot and some cooler scenes if it wasn’t limited by PG13
I think I remember seeing something that the original movie was supposed to be rated R but then in the editing process they toned down a lot of things to make it PG-13 cause Sony obviously wanted to appeal to the edgy 12 year old's that would go probably go see the movie
The PG-13 rating isn’t the problem; the writing is. I think the films would’ve been fine with the rating it was given, its just the script that needs work.
@@jet1977 They gave the films a PG-13 rating to get a potential MCU crossover.
My friends call me crazy for liking these movies, but what can I do? It's just so good, I mean... It's bad, but soooo good!
These movies are so goofily fun I love them
Also the "Let there be Carnage" line was much cooler in the theatre cuz it was SO damn loud lmao
This is the best take on these movies I have seen.
Aware of the comics, but not bound to every little detail.
Aware of the movies flaws and stupidity, but not blind to their fun and well executed moments.
I couldn't agree more.
I felt represent. Specially when he mentioned Cates run or classic comics.
Agreed. They're actually kind of like the Ghost Rider movies, but with better VFX.
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You can’t be serious. the VFX is not good in the Venom movies. At best its serviceable but the CG for Riot, Carnage, and the symbiote goo is not good
Its like Ghost Rider but without Nicholas Cage which makes them completely unwatchable
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GR Movies especially the second ome has great VFX
Even though the venom movies are silly, I for one, absolutely LOVED them. They were amazing to watch with friends. A movie doesn’t need to be 100% true to the source material to be enjoyed by the masses.
Definitely agree on the comic part, but origins is where I feel movies should stay pretty close to the comics
Not sure if this was answered yet and I know it's a bit late, but the Symbiotes can bond with anyone. Depending on the Symbiote, both the person and the Symbiote can influence each other. Like when Venom bonded with Deadpool he actually was just as crazy as Deadpool for a bit, or when Patrick Mulligan was teaching Toxin to be a hero and a nicer being.
While I’m definitely one of those people who would usually prefer that some comic book movies stick closer to the comics in some places, I definitely think that these Venom movies were fun to watch. Best way i can describe them is like B-Movies: very little in plot but has fun over-the-top scenes to make up for it.
I thought the comedy was a perfect balance between teens and adults. It doesn't really cater to just either.
The first movie was great, second movie wasn't bad. I'm just hoping that if we get a third one it's done better than the first two
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I love the venom movies. They had me dying laughing at Eddie and Venom's chemistry
Venom will always hold a special place in my heart. Not for the movie itself, but because it was the first movie I went to see with my now fiancé. Four years and still going strong, and as a result, I just love it. That’s not to say it’s not without faults, there isn’t a “perfect” movie out there, it’s impossible. But it still has a very special meaning to me that I’m guessing not a lot of others felt for the movie.
The reason why they chose Riot is literally because he is the biggest, most muscular out of the five symbiotes. In fact, they wanted to include Carnage in the first film (they even made concept arts for their fight which is pretty similar to what we got but with Riot) but they decided to include him in the second film.
I personally enjoyed these movies a lot while I acknowledge that they were goofy and kind of stupid at times
I'm a huge Venom fan ever since I was a kid and I was smiling the entire time during Venom 2.
But yes these movies would've benefited majorly from actually having Spider-Man there.
of note: in the most recent spiderman movie with all 3 spidermen in it, after the credits, eddie brock (from the venom movies) is talking to a bartender asking him about how the thanos incident happened as if he knew nothing about it, and he left some symbiote goo on the bartop before disappearing (assumedly going back to his world after everything in that movie was resolved)
so assumedly the next spiderman movie will have a NEW symbiote with the marvel spiderman, keeping the two movies seperate to some degree while also having venom as a villain for spiderman.
I watched Natural Born Killers when I got my first tattoo & it was so good that I honestly can't say I felt any pain from the tattoo process, and now I'm a die hard Woody fan. Glad to see someone mention one of my favorite films!
I think people need to understand that Venom and Eddie Brock’s relationship is like any other relationship that gets long and stale. You tick each other off after spending so much time with each other. But there are tons of problems in the movies and I always enjoy your videos
The only gripe I have about the venom movies was that it wasn’t as gory as I’d hoped it would be but otherwise I love the venom movies so much for their goofiness
33:26 for some dumb reason I fucking loved this out of context scene so much, they talked so fast to each other that I couldn't take in all the information, I was laughing at it for too long
22:07 I love it when Elvis commenting about what is bad about Venom, there is Venom behind him dancing lol
To me, I think Let there be Carnage works so well because it knows exactly what it is and is going to go all out on the cheese, and I always saw Venom as being goofy enough to do that.
I saw the first one in theaters with my roommate. I have never had more fun watching a movie in my life. Even though it was not good man did we have a blast alone in the theater making fun and laughing the whole time.
Lmao I like how NO ONE is talking about the venom that randomly air humps in the background
I LOVE Venom so MUCH!!! The relationship between Venom and Eddie is iconic in my opinion! The first one was goofy but the second one is VERY goofy but still love it 😂😂😂 Also I kinda thought it was a little shady of Ann calling Eddie to the restaurant to only tell him she was getting married and then have the audacity of getting mad at Eddie for not being completely over the moon for it. Like girl you know he's crazy about you of COURSE he was be upset! Lol 😂😂😂
How can people NOT like these films. They are amazing!!
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18:40 I nearly pissed myself laughing at that gorilla
The actor’s kid is gonna look like his favorite comic book character now since his dad is the movie adaptation. That’s pretty cool if he takes after his dad.
I genuinely love these movies, they’re so insane in a beautiful way
It’s the same reason why Daredevil 2003 and Fantastic 4 movies(except the reboot) are insane. they’re not well written but its dumb fun. BvS and Capt Marvel are NOT
I think too many people take these films too serious. I understand that fans want a serious and dark adaptation of the character, and it looks like with the new Tom Holland trilogy, we’ll be getting that. Just be patient, and appreciate these films for recreating the goofy ass era of Venom comics from the 90s.
Yea sure I guess but why for that to happen we have to have shitty venom movies? You can have goofy ass venom but you can also have a good movie
@@CherryAlbum that’s fair, I understand disliking them. They are pretty bad but I actually love them for being so stupid
I think 99% of people know that the movies are intentionally comedic and goofy, like the "real" Venom is, but there's a difference between fun goofy and bad writing goofy lol.
@@hiddenleafdrip3869 it’s dumb fun
I just like seeing all the different colors of the symbiotes, that was always my favorite part of them other than the cool tendril appendages.
Hey shout out to the person in the venom suit, he dedicated more than the writers ever can be in hollywood
Honestly, I got obsessed with these movies because of Tom Hardy. He is awesome and special effects were AMAZING. The way he voiced him was great. Venom looked sick. I agree, in the second Venom needed to have more dark/serious moments, that would’ve helped the second film be less cringe.
I think giving Eddie (sorry if I spelled his name wrong) a kinda whisper voice is also a good touch to add to that (imo) sickly look he has- maybe to even push the point forward he’s got a “secret”?
I really loved both of them! They were amazing movies, the firsy one was really "so bad its good", while the cringe seemed ironic and inentional, like you were watching a silly comic book to life
I like carnage and love this version, but to me his overall texture looks like a red/meat colored tongue, totally different to venoms glossy black
3:30 I liked that nod to everywhere at the end of time 🤣
Back when I was younger, I used to be a venom fan but drifted from it. It wasn’t until watching these movies that made me a Venom fan again!
Tom Hardy does pretty well as the symbiotic anti-hero!
I don’t care what people say about these movies, I genuinely enjoyed these two films.
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Was that the Kurtis Conner “Helicopter, Helicopter” sound?! Omg that was awesome 😂♥️ Thanks for the Venom video review. I never watched these movies, but your review makes it so interesting!
i love these. tom hardy and the woman act the shit out of their roles, the relationshiop of the symbiote and the human is really funny, and overhall its really fun movies
See the funny thing about the "they'll have to make an all new origin story for their rivalry" was kind of solved with the end of the newest Spiderman movie. Where it was lightly touched on that because of the multiversal shenanigans that happened it caused the memories of Toby's Venom to merge with the Solo Venom so he already knows who Tom's Spiderman is. While Tom won't know who Venom is, Venom knows exactly who he is.
I too liked both movies, especially the second because carnage is my litteral 2nd favorite character, also on the comics being holy grail part at 8:13 , my opinion is that it's good that movies only take inspiration and don't create 1:1 copy. It makes it a add on to the whole marvel universe and not just a movie about a 1 comic
I think we might be a couple weeks late for the Valentine’s Day sale lol
I hope in the third movie they do a non-symbiote villain it’s already feeling like the first few seasons of the Flash of just having the hero fight evil version of themselves, Carnage did a pretty good job distinguishing himself from Venom but Riot was practically identical
Both of these movies are some of my favorites from comic book adaptations. They are seriously great.
I'm also a big fan of Tom Hardy. One film of his that doesn't get enough love, IMO, is "Lawless". It has a cadt consisting of Shia LaBeouf, Dane DeHaan, Guy Pearce, Jessica Chastain, and Jason Clarke. It ticks all my boxes, too: period piece with lots of violence, an excellent cast putting in great performances, and good writing with an interesting and impactful story. Plus, Tom Hardy!
I think in the latest Venom Comics Saga (The one with the Symbiote God), Eddie was fighting with the Symbiote because he found out that Venom made Eddie BELIEVE that he had cancer while he actually didn't because it was afraid that Eddie wouldn't want it. I loved that saga because then you learn how Eddie got a child (WHICH WAS VERY WEIRD) and he had to to comfort his father, great story
Check out "Rock N Rolla", Tom was awesome/hilarious in that too as Handsome Bob
E: Also hope Elvis gets a notification to this video, because of the whole sponsorship dilemma. 25:54
I never knew that it affected mood, venom could've been so moody this movie because he was only eating chicken brains which probably didn't contain much so he was probably on edge all the time.
Man, I don’t even care if these movies are considered ‘bad,’ I think these are great romps. A breath of fresh air compared to the Eternal’s which had me struggling to remain awake
Str8 snoozed
They ain't considered bad, they are bad. Quality ain't taste. Some people like shit, as long as they understand it's shit.
@@4Everlast I think they were solid films that people WANTED to hate the instant they came out. It’s not even a ‘so bad it’s good’ kind of deal for me, I think they’re genuinely good romps. The second moreso than the first because the creators hadn’t found their footing with these characters yet. That’s my opinion and though that’s a rare one to have, I have it. Say I’m wrong, say I have crap taste, I don’t care. Just let me enjoy my movies about Tom Hardy talking to CGI goo
@@comicalpeculiarity6174 I didn't see any hate for the films at all, just the opposite. Especially with Hardy being cast. BUT things went a bit down hill the moment people realized it's PG13. We got a man eating alien creature biting heads off, and not a single drop of blood?
Solid what?? Solid films, my man? It doesn't stand any proper film making test, even Hardy can't save it.
I wish i could enjoy it, but there's literally nothing to enjoy for me here. The apartment fight is ok, but that's it, man. Nothing stands out, not a single memorable thing. You keep having fun with this, i hope they make more of them for you, but for now, yeah... Not for me.
You're wrong in saying they're good films, cause that's objective, BUT you can say YOU like them all you want, it's subjective, i wish i could but it ain't happening.
I haven't seen the second one yet, but i hear from 50 people it's more of the same, so... We'll see.
@@4Everlast you didn’t see ANY hate for the films whatsoever? I don’t know where you’ve been but everyone collectively chose to pan these films for daring to exist without Spider-Man. I adore these films because they’re fun and not formulaic. It sounds like you’ve based the ‘objective opinion’ on your own, at least for the first movie. And let me say this, the fact there’s no blood shouldn’t surprise people at all. Rarely is gore shown in such an explicit fashion for Venom’s character. Furthermore, it’s a character that appeals to younger audiences so I’m not sure what you or anyone else was expecting. When I say ‘solid’ I mean that it’s got solid production values, performances etc. If you don’t like these films that’s fine but I think people are too harsh to them. I think there’s a lot of enjoyment to be had here without it being incomprehensible
Let's not forget the best Venom meme: 90's animated venom driving a truck and honking the horn
Loved both of these movies even with all of their problems. They are just good times when you see them
Gotta agree with you on your Tom hardy point there 3:58. Favorite movie by him is “legend” where he plays a double role.
While I am aware that these are far from masterpieces, I still absolutely love these movies. Venom and Carnage were always my all time favorite Marvel characters, and being able to see them on the big screen was such a dream come true for me. While I know that they are cringey and cheesy, I love the movies even more because of that. I feel like that just made it feel even more like a comic book movie. I like how Andy Cerkis really dove into the campiness that comes with comic books.
But I will still say my complaints.
My number one complaint about both Venom movies (and my friends and family know this because I bring it up every time that we are discussing them) is that they aren't rated r.
Venom and ESPECIALLY Carnage are supposed to be dark and brutal characters. I mean, Cletus Cassidy is a serial killer with a brain eating symbiote. If that hadn't stuck with the PG rating, imagine how much better these movies would be. I personally think that Venom and Venom: Let There Be Carnage, would both work better if they were horrors.
Just because they would be horror movies, does not mean that they couldn't keep all of the epic fighting scenes or hilarious dialogue. They could still have the feel of great super hero movie, if they had just leaned into what made Venom, Venom, and what made Carnage, Carnage.
There is also the massive pacing issue in both of the movies, but that has already been brought up half a billion times so I will just leave that to you guys.
But in conclusion, Venom (and Let There Be Carnage) are both great comic-book movies in my eyes! They did a great job translating and changing what they needed to, as well as making these amazing characters come to life with some really great design choices! (besides Riot's color change. Not so happy about that one)
God job Elvis. We’ve seen you come so far and I think I speak for most of the people that have been watching you for a while when I say that I’m proud of your accomplishments. Hope to see you continue to grow and make great content!
Such a kind comment ❤️
I was shocked by how positive the CinemaSins video for the second Venom movie was. Not because I expected the movie to be bad. Just because I'm surprised when they openly admit to liking anything lol.
Late to the party but this was a fun video! Always love your ability to rip a movie completely but still give legitimate praise where due. Please bring back the meme part for movies where it makes sense becauseI haven't laughed that hard in a while! Keep up the great work Elvis!
I loved both movies. They were very fun while still keeping close enough to the comics.