Yes I noticed that too, bearing in mind people are bound to be watching or filming it does not show the undertaking in a very good light. Might have been a passenger I suppose?
Tangmere is running with worn con rod bearings. As the bearings wear the clearance evolved will cause the rods to drop at low speed hence the con rod 'ring' Common in steam days and no big thing unless something else happens, Like bearing shell fracture , key is lubrication any loss should be fixed before moving anything.
You do some amazing videos jack. These are top quality. Absolutely shame on that clown throwing litter out of the window to be left disgarded on the track. He should have nothing to do with mainline preservation
A kettle, a tractor and a sparkie....all on one train! 🤩 Whats not to like!? (Even if there were some technical issues). Very trashy behaviour at 1:09 though....I do hope it was not a member of the train crew doing that as they should know far better than that!
The problem is that Tangmere is an unmodified Bullied Pacific. They had their weaknesses (oil immersed chain driven valve gear for one) and fitters didn't get on with them. The modified ones did away with some of the problems, but not all.
Well THAT is a first! A class 86 pulling a steam excursion! 1:09 WHO THE HECK is that chucking rubbish out on the tracks THAT will get steam excursions BANNED from the ML!5:39 Here we see Tangmere speeding up to 100 MPH! Probably the fastest shes been in a long time😂 The tender DOES look empty so I think shes out of coal maybe water as well? But possible a bearing is runnung hot? Does anyone know if they preserved a Class 87? They were MONSTERS of speed.
Tangmere has definitely broke something, because on railtour, 44871 is now expected to do all of Tangmere railtorus. Possibly a fault with the cab or with the braking? 🤔
Hardly suprising that Tangmere is becoming unreliable WCR have worked the backside off the engine this year, and a hard route over Shap, and the Settle and Carlisle route.
It was over 20 minutes late departing on the return movement to Carnforth, and then was "unavailable" for Tuesday's tour. But not a peep from WCR as to what the problem was/is.
@richardharrold9736 And NEVER shy for steam. Bulleid’s boilers and drafting was pretty damn good. OK, a bit heavy on coal, but crew will forgive that if a loco will steam freely and time the train.
As atomic said it was most likely someone chucking some tissues or something out the window instead of putting them in a bin of the station they were approaching 😐😑😒
@@SSccaanniiaa Looked like chip papers top me coming from the support coach, dirty sods, they should make them clean it up ,there is enough crap trackside without adding.
i miss the sounds of class 86s on the mainlines as the sounds they make after a long fast journey is amazing the fans & traction motors when they're closed down real locomotives at work! nice video 🥰
@@soundseeker63 occasionally you may hear a class 86/87 closing down at crewe on a raiitour but all our decent class 86s/87s are in Bulgaria now sadly what a joke our poop 💩uk railways now are!!!
Please forgive my ignorance I love trains but this I just don’t know. When you have a diesel on the end of a train is the diesel actually giving any assistance or is it just for the return journey? I’m sure someone will enlighten me. Cheers 👍
It's in case of breakdowns Gareth so they can keep the running line clear for everyday booked services. One of my workmates at Salisbury left to work for WCR on the back up locos.
Sometimes it also provides power for lighting or heating in the coaches and can help reverse the train if it's at a terminus and the steam loco can't propel the train out.
@ethmister I'm a dinosaur from the 60s. I prefer to see locos in their original livery but accept that many like different liveries,like the purple Porterbrook Deltic etc.
First time I sw Tangmere on the main line was at Oxenholme where it was being taken out of service in the loop, due to leaving Preston with all the lubrication box corks being left on the platform - seems to be a singularly unfortunate loco in having failed more often than most other steam locos on the roster
How many miles has it put in this year as the only air braked loco other than 44871 available to Carnforth? Besides, it seems likely it was an AWS or TPWS problem
Yes I can agree they are a bit silly on a steam hauled service, although if there wasn't one there, the passengers would be sat in completely dark carriages back to Liverpool 😅
@@BritishRailJack Ah I see! Are there no generator coaches? I'm looking at this from an Irish perspective and most of our mainline steam trains have a van with electric gens and steam heaters. They usually have an 071 class diesel follow light engine in the block behind to take care of possible steam loco failures.
@davidkavanagh189 oh really? Well to be honest I am just going off what other people say and not fully sure if it has a generator coach or if the diesel is providing power but I believe it is the latter 🙂
@@BritishRailJack There are a number of generator coaches around, but they don't seem to get used a lot, in general yes the diesel on the back is providing electrical power/ ETH. they've also been known to give a bit of a shove if the kettle is struggling.
better than light bulbs and bog rolls out of the old mark1s on the football specials 🙄think some of the do goobers wont be happy till west coast stop running trains
What is a 'do goober'? Someone who thinks standards are important? Let's run a Duff with broken speedo light engine (!!!) at 90 mph so we have a SPAD!! What fun to play trains! What could go wrong?
Staff throwing litter out of the window is very poor indeed. I hope it’s looked into
Yes I noticed that too, bearing in mind people are bound to be watching or filming it does not show the undertaking in a very good light. Might have been a passenger I suppose?
Lööked like a load of bog paper
About par for the course for WCRC I'd say
@@45156 could have been worse and hit you on the head 😂
They should know better!
Throwing garbage out the window is a disgrace.
I spotted that as well.
Tangmere is running with worn con rod bearings. As the bearings wear the clearance evolved will cause the rods to drop at low speed hence the con rod 'ring' Common in steam days and no big thing unless something else happens, Like bearing shell fracture , key is lubrication any loss should be fixed before moving anything.
Thanks for that explanation re bearings etc.
should be ashamed throwing litter out of the window!!
What an arcehole!!!!×
Looks like someone in the crew carriage as well! Disgusting.
Utterly disgusting and yes it was from a staff coach
That paper was from the support coach so must have been staff or those responsible for the locomotive. Disgusting behaviour.
You do some amazing videos jack. These are top quality. Absolutely shame on that clown throwing litter out of the window to be left disgarded on the track. He should have nothing to do with mainline preservation
Thanks Leah I appreciate it!
The 86 is turned out beautifully, what a handsome machine
A kettle, a tractor and a sparkie....all on one train! 🤩 Whats not to like!? (Even if there were some technical issues).
Very trashy behaviour at 1:09 though....I do hope it was not a member of the train crew doing that as they should know far better than that!
Yep it was still a good tour! And yes throwing the litter out was not on especially if it was the staff.
One of my earliest memories is this locomotive driving into Woolwich arsenal station and my Dad saying “Tangmere”.
The problem is that Tangmere is an unmodified Bullied Pacific. They had their weaknesses (oil immersed chain driven valve gear for one) and fitters didn't get on with them. The modified ones did away with some of the problems, but not all.
Tangmere coming past clitheroe like it was already knackered tbh
Just home from 4 weeks in the UK. One of the overwhelming impressions is the huge amount of litter, everywhere. At 1:16, you see why.
Well THAT is a first! A class 86 pulling a steam excursion! 1:09 WHO THE HECK is that chucking rubbish out on the tracks THAT will get steam excursions BANNED from the ML!5:39 Here we see Tangmere speeding up to 100 MPH! Probably the fastest shes been in a long time😂 The tender DOES look empty so I think shes out of coal maybe water as well? But possible a bearing is runnung hot? Does anyone know if they preserved a Class 87? They were MONSTERS of speed.
87002 is preserved and still operational. 87001 and 035 are also preserved but not operational.
i wonder if there ever will automatic couplings up between loco and carriages instead of by hand as it is done now
Bugger that's got some play by the sounds of it , i do love Terrible Tangmere
Glad others noticed the litter. Disgraceful!
I asked a driver on Tuesday. He said there eas an electrical problem. To me that suggested AES or TPWS wasn't working
oh ok thanks for your information Leslie 😀👍
86 at one end, 47 at the other. It's like the great 70s again, a proper time for spotting at Preston❤.
I love the look of these streamlined locos.
Tangmere has definitely broke something, because on railtour, 44871 is now expected to do all of Tangmere railtorus. Possibly a fault with the cab or with the braking? 🤔
Hardly suprising that Tangmere is becoming unreliable WCR have worked the backside off the engine this year, and a hard route over Shap, and the Settle and Carlisle route.
It just looks like soap suds to me.I can’t believe they would throw something out that close to a station 🤔
Great video
It was over 20 minutes late departing on the return movement to Carnforth, and then was "unavailable" for Tuesday's tour. But not a peep from WCR as to what the problem was/is.
As another commented has pointed out, He spoke to a driver and seemed to be an electrical issue so the aws for example 😊
What is a Tangmere? Is it the Battle of Britain class steam loco?
Littering is an arrestable offense btw.
Sorry for asking. This steam locomotive is a Bulleid, isn't it?
Yes it is!
Unrebuilt Battle of Britain class, virtually identical with the West Country class, built as mixed traffic locos
I’ve had a fantastic run behind Tangmere. It likes long stretches of high speed running with heavy loads on relatively level routes…
@richardharrold9736 And NEVER shy for steam. Bulleid’s boilers and drafting was pretty damn good. OK, a bit heavy on coal, but crew will forgive that if a loco will steam freely and time the train.
1:06 'What was that out the window?'
Looked like to me someone chucking something out of a bucket not to sure what tho.
As atomic said it was most likely someone chucking some tissues or something out the window instead of putting them in a bin of the station they were approaching 😐😑😒
@@BritishRailJack Stupid really, but free goodies from the Northen Belle! Just need to reach over & get it! 😃😂
@@SSccaanniiaa Looked like chip papers top me coming from the support coach, dirty sods, they should make them clean it up ,there is enough crap trackside without adding.
Good spot
1:08 - Real professional... Not. Probably won't happen, but rapped knuckles all round I'd say.
i miss the sounds of class 86s on the mainlines as the sounds they make after a long fast journey is amazing the fans & traction motors when they're closed down real locomotives at work! nice video 🥰
I agree, you can't beat the melancholic wail of an 86/87s blower motors. A sound synonymous with the WCML for decades, but now rare indeed.
@@soundseeker63 occasionally you may hear a class 86/87 closing down at crewe on a raiitour but all our decent class 86s/87s are in Bulgaria now sadly what a joke our poop 💩uk railways now are!!!
That was another epic day thank you
Ahh wasnt a complete failure though😆 the superior traction rescured her in the end
Great capture & Thanks for Sharing 👍
Thank you Arthur I appreciate it 😊
Please forgive my ignorance I love trains but this I just don’t know. When you have a diesel on the end of a train is the diesel actually giving any assistance or is it just for the return journey? I’m sure someone will enlighten me. Cheers 👍
It's in case of breakdowns Gareth so they can keep the running line clear for everyday booked services. One of my workmates at Salisbury left to work for WCR on the back up locos.
Sometimes it also provides power for lighting or heating in the coaches and can help reverse the train if it's at a terminus and the steam loco can't propel the train out.
@@mattlander9119 cheers for that pal. Always curious 👍
@@kristinajendesen7111 again Thankyou for enlightening me 👍
Riding Shotgun is the term often used so I,m told.In this instance it proved to be very useful.Good video incidentally.
The 86 looks brilliant on the front
I agree the 86 looks fantastic but the logo on the side looks rubbish,almost like graffiti. A BR logo would look better.
@Austin40424 CS logo is great also nice to see a loco not br blue
@ethmister I'm a dinosaur from the 60s. I prefer to see locos in their original livery but accept that many like different liveries,like the purple Porterbrook Deltic etc.
@Austin40424 yea but everything in blue like SVR is just so boring. To younger audiences more color variety the better
@ethmister yes I accept that,we are all different. Maybe some will think I am boring whereas others are like me loving originality.
Its sad the spam can failed, but the 47 came to the rescue again, seriously WCRC are becoming a bit of a joke
Tangmere seems to break down on most rail tours but thank you
🙄 It's put in sterling work this year as one of the only air braked steam locos WCR has
Im not sure what you mean it’s done loads and loads of tours this year and not really broken down at all before this as far as I can remember!
Poor tangmere seems to break down a lot thanks for video
First time I sw Tangmere on the main line was at Oxenholme where it was being taken out of service in the loop, due to leaving Preston with all the lubrication box corks being left on the platform - seems to be a singularly unfortunate loco in having failed more often than most other steam locos on the roster
How many miles has it put in this year as the only air braked loco other than 44871 available to Carnforth? Besides, it seems likely it was an AWS or TPWS problem
I swear i have saw so many times that Tangmere broke down. It is purely just that it can’t run well or is it dying of old age?
Can u call that an "Electric kettle tour" 😂😂😂
Very good. That made me laugh 🤣👍🏻
@@Speedbird_Concorde it had to be said 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
🤣🤣🤣🤣
A 33 crompton did a tour in tangmeres place cos she failed the other day
Wow, going back to steam?
Tangmere in Trouble? no can't believe that.
well done to Mons Meg. brillant loco,very well turned out !
Didn’t seem to be much wrong with Tangmere, as he appeared to give a hefty shove to 86401 !
TPWS failed
Good video from Preston. Hopefully it's fixed soon.
Amazing video sadly tangmere did fail don't where thought
This should’ve worked a tour on Tuesday 17/Sep, but it didn’t. WTF went wrong?
The Class 47s on the back of these trains are an abomination. They looks completely ridiculous.
Yes I can agree they are a bit silly on a steam hauled service, although if there wasn't one there, the passengers would be sat in completely dark carriages back to Liverpool 😅
@@BritishRailJack Ah I see! Are there no generator coaches? I'm looking at this from an Irish perspective and most of our mainline steam trains have a van with electric gens and steam heaters. They usually have an 071 class diesel follow light engine in the block behind to take care of possible steam loco failures.
@davidkavanagh189 oh really? Well to be honest I am just going off what other people say and not fully sure if it has a generator coach or if the diesel is providing power but I believe it is the latter 🙂
@@BritishRailJack There are a number of generator coaches around, but they don't seem to get used a lot, in general yes the diesel on the back is providing electrical power/ ETH. they've also been known to give a bit of a shove if the kettle is struggling.
Such A weird company WCR, it's like they do as much as they can to give themselves A stupid name for no reason
Rescued by an electric engine. How humiliating.
Tangmere should be banned from the network, too unreliable.
!!!Great video. Like me!!!
Looked like soapsuds to me
I was the person stood right brhind you 👌 Mega move
Ive benn on many tours where tangemere broke down
Stop spreading lies
Must be a GE!
A bit of litter out the window is nothing compared to the crap NR leave lying around.
better than light bulbs and bog rolls out of the old mark1s on the football specials 🙄think some of the do goobers wont be happy till west coast stop running trains
What is a 'do goober'? Someone who thinks standards are important? Let's run a Duff with broken speedo light engine (!!!) at 90 mph so we have a SPAD!! What fun to play trains! What could go wrong?
01:08 for people who want to find the litterer