The SAD SIGHT of 47484 'Isambard Kingdom Brunel' plus 37679, Shunters, Pacer & More at RSS Wishaw!
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- 47484 'IKB' has been moved since my last visit to RSS Wishaw however its no better off for its new location in the yard. See the loco languishing in a poor condition alongside 37679 which is looking equally sorry for itself.
Also onsite is part of unit 508201 which has become an urban artists canvass plus Pacer 143603 which is camouflaging itself into the background.
Its hard to see how 47484 will make a comeback from here..
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47 484 is owned by the Pioneer Diesel group they have lots of projects with the amount of diesels they have. It had a new roof donated many years ago and this is only how it looks on the outside which is cosmetic. I'm quite sure it will be restored to full working order once the group has more funding. Like anything in preservation. It's a long haul to get them back up and running again.
Too many people seem to forget that in preservation, buying the vehicle is the easy/cheap bit. It's the restoration that costs money!
@@HowardLeVert Hmmm Locomotives are a good few tens if not hundreads of thousands a piece to buy alone...
Moreso the big mainline engines, though it is possible to get a small diesel shunter for the cost of a new car even the smallest steam engines are expensive.
At least it hasn’t been heavily vandalised, and it looks complete. It certainly has come to a low point in its life. Let’s hope salvation comes reasonably soon as the high price of scrap metal may start to make destroying it seem attractive.
To see 47 484 in the condition that it's in is absolute sacrilege ... IKB was seen on a regular basis on the Western Region and one of the first Brushes I spotted when I started spotting back in the mid seventies... When I was in my teens (many years ago), I was hauled by IKB on a mystery tour from Bristol Parkway and ended up at Skegness.... Ahhh, those were the days when British Rail did "secret five" mystery tour's through the summer months.
I did one with mum & dad from Coventry in a DMU, we ended up at Barry in Wales. Lot different to how it looks now.
Other than having the longest nameplate in diesel history though, what makes 47 484 any more special than any other Brush 4? It does look like the cutter's torch will be along soon.
@@HowardLeVert Actually it was 47 079 (D1664) had the longest name plate... George Jackson Churchward.
so sad to see an original Brush type 4 (as me and my mate used to call them) namer in such a condition. I'm pretty sure I saw him a few times at Paddington when we would go Saturday spotting around London in the early 70s.
I worked a car train with 47484 I.K.B livery pulling it in 1979 when she had just been repainted in wonderful green livery . Sad to see it like this now .
I used to drive Isambard Kingdom Brunel when it was at Aylesbury during the early 90's. We used it to bring engineer's trains from Clapham yard or Temple Mills over to the Chiltern's.
A sad sight.
It's such a shame to see these once beautiful locos rotting away. Love from Oz
I hope someone comes in to save 47484 i thought that would of been priority to be saved fingers crossed 🤞 it manages to be preserved 😮
IKB would turn in his grave seeing the state of that 47. Awful
these 2 locos need restoring ASAP the 37 & 47 are looking rough so is that pacer unit! to many locos going to waste in this yard sadly! Good video 😎
I thought 47484 would of been a preservation candidate but in that state it's hard to see it getting past the cutters torch. Such a sad sight
Seems like the uk is hell bent on replacing everything with Japanese or German cattle trucks. Capacity over comfort any time- and it has to run on batteries!! We aren't all commuters from Surbiton to London you know......
Very sad to see that lovely class 37 in that sad state 😢😢😢
They could have sold the 37 off to a preservation society, instead of leaving it there to decay beyond retrieval. The good old 37 will always have a lot of fans, as long as they can be kept running.
Shameful act of abandonment and neglect! 😡
Very sad sight seeing they rotting away a part of our railway history slowly disappearing 😢
such a sad sight seeing 47484 and 37679 in a sorry state wonder if hopefully they will be fully restored but we never know but a great video
Interesting video the only time I got a haulage off 47484 was in June 1987 from Crewe to Shrewsbury happy days
Some people only want to own but do nothing or they run out of time. I don’t know the history of this so I don’t want to judge. I wish I could win the euro , I would buy them and restore them or at least pay for them to be restored. I hate the loss
Sad sight indeed. It would be great to see if they restore them!
Very sad to see that class 47 diesel train in that state and carriages in that state there deserve better 😊
I thought it was a shame that the 'POLICE' 47829 wasn't preserved. I passed it at Eastleigh driving a 158 on a Romsey rounder. Also saw the 73 there on another day in the Pullman livery, renamed The Royal Alex at that time. At least that one is preserved.
I did put a suggestion into Keith Knight at Knights Engineering Eastleigh that they save a couple of Pigs, paint them in Pullman colours, call it The Bournemouth Belle and have a a couple of 73s for off 3rd rail working.
Like the HST Pullman it would have been a massive hit.
I saw 47484 at Paddington 40 years ago, light loco looking immaculate. I worked for London Transport on the wonderful Routemasters and had free travel so one of the things I did was to visit the different stations.
Walking to work one day at Westbourne Park I also saw the APT go past Queens Park on test.
I know it's a steam centre but it seems to be a good candidate for Didcot given the name and Western region history.
That pacer has seen cleaner days i must say, but looks a better condition than everything else
Presumably, some of these engines will be restored, the 37 and 47 especially. That first shunter looked as good as new.
What is the point of that company keeping all the rolling stock in their yard? Just rotting away. Can anyone explain please?
Before the mass loco naming programme came about, 47 namers were quite unusual to see.
Ikb came into Hull once and there was a mass exodus of kids on bikes through the allotments to see it.
I'm guessing it maybe worked in on a Freightliner or acetic acid tank train from Baglan bay.
So exciting back in the day..
So sad to see 47 484 in that state. Back in the early ‘80’s it appeared one Sunday on what was probably a footex special at my home station in Farnham, Surrey. It was rare to see a big type 4 there, and I got several shots of her before and during departure. Used to see her on the GW mainline at Reading as well. Probably beyond saving now.
So sad to see .47 484 was my haulage from Reading to Pompey on the Manchester down service many years ago . Great days .
I would love to see the Class 37 saved if possible. I wonder how much would it be to ship one of these to the US? The UK has imported countless 66's and 70's from Canada/United States. So I am sure its not impossible to ship one over to the states when I live there in the future. I will look after it and give it some love.
It would be possible, just very expensive and the backlash you might face would be a lot
Great video of a sad subject. IKB needs to be saved (as well as that 37). If IKB is beyond hope, I wonder if another 47 could be re-painted and made to be a new IKB?
Can remember when said loco was ex works with Amazon at Swansea M P D in the summer of 1965, they both looked great as all locos do when brand new. Sad to see it now like this.
You can't hug every cat, you can't pet every train, you can't save every country.
It's interesting how different locos make me FEEL. I WANT to see that steam boiler re-used, I WANT to see the 37s, 47s & 08s saved, but am pretty ambivalent towards the 2nd gen multiple unit and want to see that Pacer cut up before anyone decides it will be a good idea to save it.
I'm with you on that comment, get that Pacer scrapped
I disagree. If it wasn't for the pacers, what else would've been carrying passengers? The 1st gen DMUs were on their last legs, and needed replacements. When the HSTs first came out, some people hated them, and even when they were in service for a while, the didn't have much of a following, until they were due for withdrawal, then all of a sudden, enthusiasts started filming them before they went. Like them or not, pacers had a place on the railway, and they are a part of railway history, and I for one am glad some have been preserved
@johnUB4478 Purely as a customer of the railways, the terrible ride & constant screeching from the wheels dissuaded me from taking the train into Cardiff for 20 years. Even when there was an opportunity to replace them, they were inexplicably retained. Frankly, any hertigate railway that uses them will be driving customers away.
@@johnUB4478 My heart used to sink when a Pacer rolled up for a journey down the Durham Coast line. There was one with a leaky roof, and the hideous screeches as they went round the curves at the High Level Bridge could be heard for miles. But nicely turned out Pacer is perfect for a heritage line that is reasonably straight, has nice views, and needs something that's cheap to run for punters who just want a train ride and probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between City of Truro and KOYLI. And for a train based on a badly designed bus, they have lasted a very long time 😁
@roderickjoyce6716 I for one liked the noise when they went round a curve. I did the TFL pacer farewell tour. It was great fun!
I saw 484 on the turntable at Old Oak Common in 175.
Really surprised that 47484 has not been preserved or put in the national collection at York being what it is and there's not many 47's left with their original name. LSL needs to save her and get her restored for railtours instead of just sitting uncovered waiting to be scrapped
LSL are a business. Their surest way to go out of business is to restore rusting hulks like 484. It's been passed around since it was bought along with 47802 in 1999, initially as a spares donor. I should know, my signature was on the tender way way back!
They couldn't even be ar5ed to preserve a 442, the fastest 3rd rail train in the world.
@@kristinajendesen7111 something else that should be in York 🙄 and once it’s gone it’s gone
Sad and sorry sight.
I suppose all 3 gwr liveried 47s Daniel Gooch, G.J. churchward & IKB are scrapped or awaiting disposal... very sad. Great video. Thank you.😢
There were 4 GWR class 47's. Sir Daniel and Great Western are both scrapped, G. J Churchward is now 57009 (I believe) and is now green and carrying its name again, and I. K. B is shown here in it's deplorable condition.
47500 *was* in the fleet of WCR, but was withdrawn after a derailment. 47079 is now 57009 with WCR (and carries 'G. J. Churchward' plates), and I think 47628 was scrapped
@phillipware5255 . Sorry I missed out Great Western. At least 1 survived. Thank you for replying. xx
Heartbreaking to see them in this state.
These really must be saved.
Very sad sight indeed, well shot video
So much sadness in one video....shame 😢😢😢
Agreed - Unlikely to be a positive outcome now.
@@trainsplanes if only trains were like buying cars....we could all have one on the drive 🤷🏼♂️
That 08 shunter near the start looks like it could drive right out of there to be honest 😂
The wagons there are peaking my interest.
Saw IKB many times at Oxford on Worcester and Birmingham Trains. In those days a Western or Warshp even a Hymek was more exciting.
ILB pulled the Royal train to Harrogate in 1985 , Also saw it when it was Blue at Carnforth in 1978 on a Barrow Manchester service . Very sad seeing it and the class 37 in such terrible states .
Looks like plenty of prospective volunteers and offers of financial donations for the 37 and 47 judgging by comments!
As stated the 47 is preserved and by a group who know their stuff. Irc 3 x 45's and a 33 in their custodianship. The donated roof mentioned im sure was off the police 47 when that was disposed of. Relax people im sure it will be nice and shiny again one day when they have time to do it.
Great Video Very Sad Sight There
One pacer car is now back in Gloucestershire where hopefully the matching car will eventually join it and be restored.
So sad😢
Last time I saw IKB was in the carriage sidings in Ipswich, before the GEML was electrified between there and Norwich. That was over 35 years ago. Needs a lot of work externally at least.
Excellent video! So sad seeing all the various locos, carriages rusting away like that. Some of those look like they've been residents there for many years, open to the bad weather. Wonder what the owners think about the rusty collection?
Saw this loco many times at Reading back in the 70's
What some of us would do to own these locos yet they are left to rot and rust. It is a sorry sight that makes me very sad. To some they are just pieces of metal, to me they are gorgeous and part of the railway heritage. Any old BR loco that's still around should be saved. It won't be too long before the stock isn’t there to preserve anymore.
it is a very sad sight to see 47484 in that state had many haulages behind the beast as well as the other 2 Great Western liveried engines 47500.& 47628.& 47079.
Disgrace. Why do people buy things and then just leave them to rot? If they can't do anything with it, why not see if anyone else wanted to buy it - or they should have done before it deteriorated irrevocably
Hear! Hear! They should be put in jail for such negligent acts.
Some things are purchased for parts. This site certainly looks like that sort of operation
Sometimes it's a case of "buy this now, or it gets cut up" - so people get the money together to "save" something, without having the money, time, resources or facilities to maintain or restore it.
I have seen this happen many times with trains and aircraft.
They are huge projects.
Everybody is up in arms when something is going to be scrapped, but you try getting the funds, manpower, skill and parts to keep things in good condition afterwards.
Mr Andrew Goodman's yard this man did a hell of a lot for the Gloucestershire and Warwickshire steam railway ,my husband also did work with Andrew on his wine and dine train and took Stevenson's rocket to JAPAN and various other jobs with him, Andrew has a great passion for railways and he's a good person to work with,😊
Remember Dai Woodham's Scrapyard in Barry? Full of rusting steam engines, most of which looked well beyond repair, but nearly all of them were eventually bought and restored to working condition.
Great video as always 👍
Seen 47484 ‘Isambard Kingdom Brunel’ pass through Reading, (maybe Reading West too), many times. 😢😮
Whilst in the army 30 odd years ago I remember taking the Mother in law to Basingstoke to catch the train to Leeds pulled by a freshly painted 47484 to celebrate I.K.B.
Apparently some of these locos are awaiting their turn.. however I wonder and have always wondered how much of the original roof and frames actually are reused.
So sad to see IKB in such a state was used to see her a lot on the MML in and around leicester back in the day on freight and passenger
Disgraceful. but i fear its too late for some locos, the cost of fixing the 47 would run in to thousands of pounds.
Shame about the 143,I used to regularly work on 143603.
What would a class 37 in that condition go for one came up for sale??
Sad to see the 507 car. I have been riding on them my whole life.
The 143 has a home to go to so hopefully won't be allowed to deteriorate too badly given it arrived there in full working order. Realistically the 37 and 47 are only fit for scrap. There are numerous preserved examples already plus many others in better condition should someone want to preserve another. Similarly there are many 08s and those look largely stripped for spares, scrap realistically for the majority.
Only if I had the money then I would save the 08, 37 and 47
Another lovely video well done great camera work as usual I am really looking forward to seeing your next video I hope you get a nice video next time also when is your next video going to be on UA-cam bye for now Philip
It probably costs more in labour to pay for these items to be dismantled or cut up, than to donate them to a preservation society!! 🙄
depending if it's cut up on sight or moved to a scrapyard.
Very sad, you know the state of the rail industry when there's so many shunters lying redundant
The 37679 Is little bit dusty Same as the 508201
It's sad to see them rotting away there, even if they were painted up for static display, it would be better than this. The 508 might be the last around so keeping it as a static display item would be brilliant but I doubt it would happen.
The 508/2 coach is one of 4 remaining in existence. Both 508201 and 209 were based at the fire training facility in Liverpool. They were suffering heavy graffiti and vandalism so 209 was moved inside and 201 has been sold to the 400 series group to be restored and used as a barrier coach to haul 313201!
@@Nate0493 Ah nice to see it isn't the last one lurking about. Would be nice if there was a full 3 car set somewhere for keepsake purposes. No need to run just to remember the 50 yuears they served the Wirral and Merseyside, though I suppose the 507 is covering that base. Cheers for the info pal.
Sadly i think that place is Gods waiting Room the train version, i seriously doubt anything there will ever run again, though they seem to put an inordinate amount of effort into saving crumbling rusty Rushton loco's, many sites now have more stock than they can ever realistically restore, and that is such a shame. Even when you go to the successful ?? heritage railways you pass loads of stock sheeted over or rusting away in sidings, NYMR, ELR, GCR all guilty of it that I've noticed in my travels.
A number of the 08s look as if they are just donors to keep one or two others running. Don't forget that Railway preservation only really started in the 1960s when steam was replaced, and where Flying Scotsman cost £8000 to build in 1923 (equivalent to £400,000 in 2024) it cost £4.5 million to repair.
Most heritage railways were started by enthusiasts with no money, so raising the funds to even keep an engine on the tracks is a huge effort. We should be grateful to them for the work they put in, but you can't blame them for projects sitting untouched due to lack of funding.
RSS Wishaw
Is this Wishaw, North Lanarkshire or Wishaw, Sutton Coldfield?
Because if it’s Wishaw, North Lanarkshire, BRB!
It’s at Sutton Coldfield 👍
Andrew Goodman if memory serves used to run a haulage company specialising in loco moves Saw a film of how he helped bring the two A4’s back from USA Can’t remember what his company was called but it stopped operating a few years ago d Ord 10 mins ago
What a state, wouldn’t trust them to mow me front lawn, what a mess.
I guess they gave up on restoring that 47 then
Google 47484 and there’s loads of stuff from 2011 about it being bought by a group and them starting to restore it including paining the yellow ends and getting the marker lights working. Nothing much after that initial flurry so looks like it came to naught as you’d never guess that anything had been done to it.
thought someone might have saved 47484 seems beynod repair now
Deep pockets needed now 💯
Would love to purchase 47484
It would be nice to see a pacer restored and be in service
No thank you, they were awful and out stayed their welcome by about 20 years awful units
You meant to say 40 years!😊
@@johnwalkley6746 yes probably.
The KWVR have got one for their Saturday shopper service.
@@elliotgane8088 here in north Devon 20 years ago we had 150 class dmu, then when there was a shortage of units nationwide we lost them, they were replaced by the pacers wait g in line for scrapping, driver windows falling out et-al. Only recently have we got half decent trains in this area. After 35 years travelling to work on the things it’s great to see them gone. Hopefully forever. They will not be missed.
What a mess I remember that on the Western Region and Southern had a fairly good trip up from Axminster to Southampton on it. We were waiting in Tisbury loop for a while and there was a photo somebody took in a book with me on it, also the last time seen and had been in 1993 when it ran a train from London Paddington to Plymouth for the area managers tour Cornish Pasty Package for a pair of Class 50s to Penzance and back to Plymouth for IKB back I did it from Exeter only it was gleaming in a fresh coat of paint by Old Oak Common and now look at it, the roof looks like it's going to fall in?
So who owns it? Why aren't they ashamed of what they haven't done to keep it safe? As a 50 man I shouldn't care, but I have seen and been around 484 for a lot in the past, even pictures of it in blue in the 1970s it always looked good with WR style plates. Save it or scrap it but don't leave it out to die like that!
Very sad sight indeed. Isambard should be the NRM York.
Why?
@@HowardLeVert Probably because he was the most famous Victorian Engineer of all time!
@@johnbrown9092yes but nothing to do with the class 47
@@damiendye6623 gExcept it carried his name on its side!
So are any of these trains undergoing restoration?
Same sinario, a young lad will. Spend all his money on a 20 year old BMW and then can't afford to run it. You see them with bald tyres and just run into the ground with no maintainance.
Regularly passing though Weston-super-Mare
is this location somewhere you can just turn up and look at the locos or is it a place where you would kinda need to be invited in ??
I used to see 47 Isambard Kingdom Brunel often as a kid, been hauled by her many times, even once got into the cab at a Temple Meads/Bath Road open day. Bath Road has long since demolished. Its tragic to see it in this state
I'm much more interested in the two wagons at 6:17 - especially what is to the left of the 'Presflo', which can be seen more clearly at 9:39. The Presflos are a vehicle I remember bringing flyash from the coal-fired power stations to fill in former clay pits around Peterborough. Also, to what did the boiler at 8:38 belong?
That is a cement carrying Presflo and not a Flyash Presflo. It has Vacuum brakes. Flyash Presflos had a longer wheelbase and longer body and were airbraked. Only problem was the brakes were only on one end of an axle, and all brakes were all on the same side of the train, usually forty eight wagons.
Sad sight as this was a regular for haulage. Do they let people in this place? I need one of the 08's.
IKB that is.
Yes - If you ask nicely you’re usually allowed a walk around 👍
What is the purpose of this unit? Is it storage/maintenance?
It’s Railway Support Services - They provide maintenance and storage facilities 👍
What wrong with the 47484? I Think it going to scarp.
Mmm...Wonder where the name plate/s are. Maybe this loco was in poor machanical condition therefore sidelined? However , the enthusiast community will surely have something to say about it's history.
Time they caught the scroats that do the graffiti and make them pay full cost of cleaning and repainting. Until it happens they will continue!
How easy was it to visit the yard? Did you need to get prior permission or did you simply turn up? If the latter, what day did you visit?
Hi Richard, the yard is usually accessible Monday to Friday provided you ask politely and stay out of the way 👍
Where was this video take?
Rail Support Services at Wishaw 👍
These all going for scrap or preservation?
There's some background sound interference going on. Are you using a mobile phone because that slushing noise seems to be a regular thing these days, I suspect interference from nearby antenna
Yes I did grab these clips via a phone which I rarely do.. I’ll check that out for next time 👍
Where is this place? Who owns these trains? Is it a heritage line? Either way, it is a bloody disgrace. What idiots have allowed this to happen?
With so many 08 37 and 47 in preservation i can't see these being saved. In very poor condition. Would cost a fortune to restore, many better examples available. The Pacer is about the only one that looks pretty good despite its green coat. Great shame about IKB. Should be resplendent in two tone green bearing the great mans' name.
I See a cat on this video
dooh - now I have to re-watch
it's a shame of course ...except for the pacers, terrible units
Is the Class 508 an ex-Mersey Rail?
Ex Connex I think, from what can be seen of the remaining traces of the livery