ENGINEER PREDICTS QUALITY OF 2024 TOYOTA LAND CRUISER & LEXUS GX 550
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- Will the all-new 2024 Land Cruiser and 2024 Lexus GX have high quality of manufacturing and reliability as the older, previous generation 2023 models? Would these new models match or exceed the unbeatable level of quality reached by the current 2023 Lexus GX 460? Automotive Engineer David Chao answers this very important question by predicting the quality and long term reliability of the two most important 2024 SUVs: Toyota Land Cruiser & Lexus GX 550. Watch the entire video as David explains step by step exactly how he believes the quality will be maintained by the legendary Tahara factory where the new 2024s are being built.
Automotive Press is owned and managed by David Koichi Chao, a global expert in the field of automotive evaluation, engineering, and strategy. With over 35 years of engineering experience, David is able to review vehicles from unique perspectives utilizing technical and specialized methods. David is a board member and a director at AJAC (Automobile Journalist Association of Canada).
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I've owned GX's for 17 years. The reason is what you've expressed so many times in your videos. As much as I'd like to jump on the new GX, all models go through a real world proving out and reliability crucible. Yeah, I believe like you do, that the Toyota plant will build an exceptionally high quality vehicle, I know that that's not enough. I will force myself to sit on the sidelines until real world experience shows what works and what needs tweaking before I jump on board. Please keep up the great work!
I’m in the same boat. I’m going to wait another 2-3 years before I possibly shell out the $$ for the new GX. It is very tempting though… haha
@peterjones5777 nearly identical to my thought process in choosing to purchase a new 23' V8 6 speed auto GX, it's the last model year of the current run, which, in my experience of purchasing way too many new automobiles in life, a disease that I cannot overcome, lol, the last model year has typically been the most refined and reliable. While the new Twin Turbo V6 may prove reliable in the new GX550, the same cannot be said for the same engine in the Tundra when it was released, which was plagued with blown passenger side turbos. The issue was so widespread, Toyota ordered a Stop-Sale on Tundra sales. Before I outlay the coin for a GX550, it'll be a few model years, and that's only if I'm bored of my 460.
Of course, that's just common sense. Look at the new gen Tundra problems for example.
Even David's "New Model Buying Decision Matrix" disagrees to buy new design in the first year of production...
I still own an early 2000 Tundra with 275k. It was manufactured in June of '99 and on the road in August of that year. Most of the first year QC issues were fixed by Toyota.
It's quality overall is better than any domestic I've seen, but noticeably lower than my GX.
I always learn a lot about these vehicles from David's videos. His expertise is really impressive as is his background. Thanks David!
Thanks for this David! I’m on a Calgary Dealership’s list for one of the first Land Cruisers to “land” in YYC next Spring…and according to the Manager… I’m near the top! Having owned several Toyota’s and Lexus’ since my very first in 1972, I’m very excited! I’m also very thankful there will be no “price adjustment” over MSRP! I am not concerned about the reliability of the 4 cylinder Hybrid Turbo….Toyota has never let me down!
Thank you David as usual very informative. In my opinion, however, Aluminum/Turbo&Electric combo are not as durable as steel/V8. Therefore, I would not think of buying the new GX/LC250 until after 1st facelift when hopefully any quality issues are ironed out.
I grew up with a 2002 Land Cruiser and a 1995 Toyota T-100, both those vehicles are still running strong. I hope to get the new Lexus GX Overtrail in the future.
Bring back the T100!!!!!!
The comments here: “Turbos don’t last they’re unreliable and don’t last”
Me: “you think turbo diesels are unreliable?”
Commenters: “not those turbos”
This. And the fact that Toyota has been making Turbo engines since the 80s.
The hybrid-turbo system in the LC250 is made so that the hybrid does most or half of the low end work, putting less stress on the engine itself. It’s made in Japan too. It will be fine.
@@faheemabbas3965 yes Toyota is so serious about their turbos they design and manufacture in house. Most other companies contract Garrett-Honeywell turbos.
David, Have you ever noticed that half the people who protest the arrival of new Toyota turbo gasoline engines are also complaining that we can't get Toyota turbo Diesels? 😉😂🤣
Not this half😁👍
Seriously.
Toyota has been making turbo engines since the 80s. Adding a hybrid to the turbo system like it will be in the LC250 is actually good regardless of complexity. The hybrid motor should do half or most of the low end power, putting less stress on the engine itself. And it’s made in Japan too. It will be fine.
Just bought our 3rd Hybrid vehicle. Our 2009 Hybrid Escape had 178k and still drove great. If it wasn't for Midwest winter salt we would still be driving it. Our 2012 Fusion just hit 100k . Our 2023 Rav4 hybrid is amazing so far. Will be selling our 2014 4Runner 147K once the 25 Land Cruiser or 4Runner turbo Hybrids are available. @@faheemabbas3965
No sir. i have a naturally aspirated 3.5L V6 in my tacoma. CERTIFIED BULLETPROOF. I would love to see these new turbo charged engines last every bit as long, with the same percentages of cars on the road as time progresses. facts
@@tobiasraya4725you lost all credibility when you ended with “facts”.
Hi David,
Please get the Lexus GX 550 over the Toyota Land-cruiser…
New land cruise r will like my feel more tin can like. Yes it will be more modern but won’t feel as sturdy. There is something to be said about old reliable and inefficient engines. No replacement for displacement
Not convinced the new models will match the old one in terms of build quality. It’s not just about sheet metal and paint jobs, but the drivetrain and electronics which are much more complicated. Will wait at least 5 years to upgrade personally
Thanks as always for the videos and for letting us know which is available first when that time comes!
I live in Indiana and have already seen the new GX550 out and about. It looks way better in person! Couldn't stop looking at it.
I have first year models 2008 Sequoia, 2010 GX , 201o RX . Have had 2004 RX 2001 Sequoia. All perfect and average 150k in miles. David , you are correct. When new models come out , they will be perfect as well.
All major car manufacturers design vehicles to go 150k without major mechanical failure. Claiming a vehicle is good because it hit 150k is absolutely laughable
Aluminum bodies with laser welded frames with better rustproofing will be a plus and will be lighter as well. The turbo hybrid engines will solve the one of the things I dislike about our 4Runner. After having 3 hybrid vehicles we are sold on their reliability and fuel economy. The frame rusting is the other issue. Being in the Midwest our 4Runner frame has quite a bit of rust even with additional undercoating...Will hedge our bets and buy the second year of either the Land Cruiser or 4Runner. Hope we get more actual info on the 25 4Runner soon!!
Question on aluminum
body panels…will aluminum panel be any more vulnerable to dents and damage than the steel panels in your GX? Also understood the steel gauge Toyota uses on the older LC200 and GX470 was thicker than the average car or truck 5:04 …is that true?
Super excited for the all new GX and LC to hit the dealerships...............
First year build quality equal to an established model would be astonishing.💯 #GX550
It’s possible because the LandCruisers and GX will be built in Japan
TAHARA build! 🥰🥰🥰
What about denso and other vendor drivetrain parts? Not too worried about paint
David, thank you for your evaluation and expertise. I agree that Tahara has many years and experience in producing high quality both Toyota and Lexus vehicles. On your upcoming trip to Japan, maybe you can manage to find out from Toyota concerning the new Land Cruiser Prado/250 if the hybrid drive train will have a tachometer and the engine's RPM at 62 mph/100 kph. As usual, we wait for your videos on your trip and info from the Toyoko Mobility Show.
Keep the Nori Green
DAvid keep your NOri Green, that will be worth alot, but I would love to see you buy New Landcruiser and Gx550, love your humility and your content.
Thanks. I have 2000 land cruiser and 2004 Sequoia. Combined over million miles. I really want the GX550 but heartbroken that I will have to sell one of my current ones. The reliability is so good
I recommended purchasing the GX550 Overtrail plus
Great video my friend. Very informative. I am wanting to buy a 2024 4Runner for my wife. Have you heard any info on the release date? Any info would be appreciated
Thank you David for sharing your insight with us!
The aluminum panels is what scares me the most. Jeep and Ford have had a ton of issues with the paint bubbling on aluminum panels
David. What do you think about the steel panels built on the current GX (as you said) compares to the aluminum panels for the new GX. Does it effect any kind of safety differences between the two materials if unfortunately involved in an accident? Thanks as always!
The exterior body panels play very little role in safety its the underlying structure, so the loss of impact resistance from steel to aluminum is negligible
Hello David. Thank you very much for this information. It is fascinating to see how both vehicles are manufactured with such exacting quality and standards. My family has been Toyota (and more recently Lexus) owners in the US since the late 1960s. I have owned many Toyotas including recently two Land Cruisers (2000 and 2020). I am happy that the new GX will e assembled at the Tahara plant (where I believe both my Land Cruisers were built).
I am thinking of trading my 2020 Land Cruiser for a GX 550 (Luxury+ or Overtrail +) but I am worried that I won’t be fully satisfied with the “road feel” and weight of the GX compared to my V8 Land Cruiser. I love the weight and solid feel of the Land Cruiser including the overall build, heavy seats, hood, doors and rigidity/ride of the body on frame construction. However, the very low gas mileage of the Land Cruiser is killing me as I have a lot of highway commuting miles.
What are your thoughts/impressions of the new GX? I have already read most of your reviews (and others), but no actual test drives can be reported. I am hoping the fuel economy of the GX will be better (e.g., at or slightly over 20 mpg combined). Any advice other than to “stay tuned?” Thank you! Peter
Thanks for the video, very informative. What do you think is really going on with 4Runner? Looks to be more of the same for 2024, which is fine by me - I prefer steel body panels😊👍!! The rumor that it will move to Mexico in 2025 and share production facilities with Tacoma is disheartening.
As you talked me into my current 23 GX , I hope you buy the GX 550 next , I have no desire or interest in a 4 cylinder as I tow 7000 lbs
IHI Turbos made in Japan and the company has been around since 1853 then a couple decades later started making turbos. The turbos are supposed to be the same ones that are used in Ferrari V6 Turbo vehicles. The GX 550 is very de tuned so I don't see why people are saying it's going to be un reliable. I mean 3.4L twin turbo pushing out 349HP. If they wanted to they could have made it 600HP which would make it as reliable as domestics who pull shit like that. I'm gonna get GX 550 Overtrail + in 2026 latest. I will either keep my 3rd gen done out Tacoma TRD Off Road as well or sell it but that GX 550 is coming to my home for sure. It is the nicest looking Lexus/Toyota SUV up to date in my opinion.
David you have made an excellent choice to keep the GX460 V8. It may be the last of the V8 engines for a long time if they ever return. Also, excellent choice in leaning toward choosing the GX550 for the V6 engine.
Germany gave up support for Porsche’s e-fuel, and Toyota’s hydrogen plan is not working.
The V8 is definitely not coming back sadly. The end of an era, and the beginning of planned obsolescence.
Great video always, good information. It was a pleasure meeting you today at Fred Meyer in Bellingham.
Yes it was a nice surprise to meet a viewer while shopping! Thank you for reaching out. Please reach me on instagram as well @automotivepress
Let a few years pass as it will resolve 2 issues, 1-let the real world mileage pile up and issues, if any, will be resolved over time. The TTV-6/10 spd combo haven't gotten stellar reviews in terms of drivability but I'm sure they will refine it. 2-Dealer greed will subside and we will see reduced ADMs. Base Corvettes are roughly going for MSRP as the demand has switched to Zo6 and ERays.
Agree. I plan to buy a 2025ish in 2030 or so. By then Dealer greed will subside and depreciation will bring price to something close what us mere mortals can afford.
You love the GX so much you have two. Nice!
David, We are all waiting for your fleet to include a new GX, Land Cruiser and Mini Land Cruiser. We will then see if your predictions have come true. 😉😁
Switched from Benz and BMW to Lexus and cannot say how much more confidence I have in the vehicle quality.
Hi David, which dealership (or dealerships) in the Vancouver area are best to put a deposit on? The ones with the largest vehicle allocations? I spoke to a couple of the smaller Toyota dealerships and they already have dozens of orders, yet they always tell me they have trouble receiving supply
If you are in-line to review the 2024 Lexus TX, please indicate if the model has a spare tire like its cousin: the Toyota Grand Highlander. Other UA-cam video reviewers indicate that there is NO SPARE TIRE for the hybrid models.
Can't wait for the LC to hit Canada! Would love the GX 550 but the pricing will be over the top!
Can you please make a video comparing the LC250 to the 4Runner?
Can you also talk about the LC250’s SDM system vs KDSS? Thanks.
Also, good video.
We need to talk about the turbo, smaller radiator, smaller transmision case and fluid
David, get both.
I don’t trust the word of engineers over vehicle mechanics. Engineers talk the possibility of something’s capability to function in its assigned role.
Mechanics, they tell you if that something actually performs that role emmaculately.
I’m a mechanic with a 2015 Lexus with a 2.0t. It’s been flawless.
Mechanics wouldn't have a job without engineers lol
Dave, thank you for your professional opinion on the 2024 GX550 and Land Cruiser. If you wish to keep the GX460. You can trade one GX for the fist vehicle on sale and then trade another one for the other vehicle. So you will experience the V6 Power and compare it with the I4 twin turbo Hybrid. My two cents for you and keep informing us. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽😉😉😉😉🤗🤗🤗🤗
I'm leaning towards a V6... Tundra or GX550. If only the new Land Cruiser offered a V6. Can't make up my mind right now. Is there a pricing for the GX550 yet or not yet?
If they offer a NA v6 would b Amazing
@@andersonrodriguez8258 That would be. But I'm guessing marketing has to do with it
I'd like the availability of the turbo 6 cylinder in the LC
David, when you are in Japan could you get more information on the Land Cruiser 70 series, It will feature LED headlamps and a 2.8 liter diesel, would like to know if the engine will also have mild hybrid technology as it is rumored to be offered in the Hilux, Thank You
Don’t love the V6 twin turbo in the new GX550. I think I would have get the new GX and put the 2uzfe from my GX470 in. Then I’d put the V6 twin turbo in my IS350. Voila..perfection! 🙂👍🏼
I hope the GX hybrid gets the 3.5V6/PHEV powertrain that was just introduced with the TX550 H.
I’m seriously considering the GX 500 Luxury + I’m a little concerned about the technology with everything being controlled from the touch screen. What do you think?
Can you make a video describing the newer techniques for interior assembly that you mentioned like "agile thinking" or DFA (design for assembly)?
Thanks David ❤
I saw 136 GX’s on the lot at the dealership in Miramar, FL. Does anyone here know if Lexus is giving any discounts for the 2023 GX? Thanks for your help.❤
How is it that aluminum is the same strength as steel though? That goes against basic chemistry. Are they some kind of alloy because that would at least make sense.
Let me buy your Green One!
I'd always prefer the older models cuz they don't follow the concept of cost cutting ...
How about the price?
Hi David. I know it’s not Toyota related (but it’s still a Japanese product), but what do you think about the 3.8 in the Nissan Frontier as far as long term longevity?
Good engine but I think the water pump runs inside the engine of the belt breaks goodluck with the milkshake
Thank you for the video, but you are basically making assumptions - no way the more complex vehicle will be as reliable, even if Toyota,
Looks more like a 4Runner replacement. Defiantly not an LC.
He should make a video comparing the LC250 to the 4Runner, especially with the LC250’s new SDM system vs KDSS.
Also this new LC is the Prado, not the real Land Cruiser. The rest of the world is getting this car as the Prado.
Hi David As a Customer of Toyota Since 2007 F J Cruiser 4 Tunner 2022 Army Green Now i would like The Land Cruiser in Pearl White or Magentic PINK Ladies Would Sell Out This Vehicle in Pink Barbie Pink Also Bright Color Are Needed Please and Iron Front Bumper and Rear Bumper in Iron!!!!
painful decision for me to pick between the V6 in the GX or the I-4 in the landcruiser/hybrid. Of course it depends on your full desires/needs, but it sounded like u need the v6 power, and perhaps other attributes of the GX model. I've been watching a lot of long vid's about maintenance on older Toyotas and Lexuses, namely v6's. It is interesting how quality is often truly same in terms of engine parts, and other sophisticated parts, in both toyota and lexus. But i dunno on the new models. Perhaps the GX will be superior, though i kind of doubt it bcuz of TMC's tradition of having the Landcruiser be its flagship generally. Eventualy i want one of the two as well and i'm not sure what i'll want at that time, but for now i want the Toyota even though the engine may seem small and the hybrid is not normally what i'd seek in a voyager which can do offroad. But bcuz TMC is so good at hybrid, i dn't have much fear. I reeeealy like the hybrid engineering in TMC, so dramatically better than everyone else's, from my perspective, which is simply real world fuel use, operational smoothness etc
Quality bell be good. Current GX and Land-cruiser will be better. Sturdier feel. Inflation has a lot to to with that
David, I want the OverTrail + but I would like to wait for the hybrid. How long do you think it will be before that one comes to market here in the US?
Just get the landcruiser
I'd encourage you to wait for GX550
Ahhh you'll buy both.
I would by Lexus on your place, but If I had money I'd just buy 2023 GX and keep it until before the next gen (maybe in 10-15 years) comes out and then buy now new gx 550
David other UA-camrs are saying the 2024 Toyota four runner will not be updated. We haven’t heard from you yet on this. Can you please confirm what you know we are waiting.. Thank you
Yes I'm working on a new video about the 4Runner. My predictions is that it will be mid-2024 year for the new 2025 4Runner... more to come
@@AutomotivePress That's not good news. That means there won't be an updated 2024 model, very sad.
Putting my deposit tomorrow on Gx 550, hopefully it lives up to the hype. I’m done with Audi
GX550!
They need to release pricing already!!
Can you predict the insane dealer markups?
Turbo charged engines are crap.... they're never high mileage engines... 😂😂😂
since when did Jackie Chan start doing car reviews?
Sorry but even for Toyota the turbo’s will effect longevity. But the GX460 while you can still get it. Sadly I see bad things coming for the 4Runner as well. Toyota’s best 4WD’s will still go to places like Australia and UAE. We as fools in America buy their lesser vehicles. No more new Toyota 4X4’s for me.👍
So you think turbo diesels are unreliable?
When Toyota came out with their first V8 back in 1989 in the new Lexus LS the same naysayers like you doubted an all aluminum Japanese V8. They said it would not be reliable. And here you are again, doubting. Nothing new
Sorry bro but I never doubted ANY normally aspirated Toyota engine. As a matter of fact I owned a 2001 Tundra that I bought new and drove it till it had 408K, still ran excellent when I sold it!!! Get your facts right or better yet, just don’t get it👍
We are not talking about diesels here are we?
@@thomassanio8745 ok just don’t buy like u said and don’t put your feelings of insecurities on other people. A lot of us are looking forward to the hybrid turbos and can’t wait to run your ass over on the roads. Vrooooom!
GX 550. Wait for the Tacoma to test the Hybrid Max
buy both David
David where will the Land cruiser mini be built ?
Nobody really knows yet. Thailand is a suggestion, but the release of the land cruiser mini is way too far away to decide if it’s really an option.
Lexus all the way. Cleaner look and better warranty.
I’ll buy Land Cruiser 😊
toyota prices are out of control!!!
If only I can afford one.....Every time when I save up enough to buy a GX 460, my wife forces me to put that fund into principal payment for the house. This has been repeated multiple times over the years.
My 2020 4Runner has terrible paint durability. It was very soft.
Lexus 550Overtrail+ all the way!
your trading a lexus, buy a new lexus and skip the 4 banger. the new LC is a bit meh
Dude sell me your GX. I’ll come up from California
Toyota and Lexus dealers will screw you. Really hurting Toyota’s brand image; however, Toyota Sales should allow you to have factories orders like Subaru does
Lexus car is good but they provide bad maintenance service i have experience with two location in New York .
Turbos can’t last as long as the V8
Not worried about build quality…….worried about longevity of turbo engine 🙂
2.0t has been out since 2015. I have one. Longevity is not an issue. I think it’s crazy to think that. There’s semi trucks that go 500,000 miles with a turbo.
My friend, Toyota has been building turbo diesel Land Cruiser for decades.
My parents 1HD-T 80-series made it to 400K KM (250K miles) without any turbo or engine issues before we sold it.
What a unique comment and worry!
@@yolo_burritothis. Toyota has been making turbos since the 80s. The hybrid-turbo system in the LC250 should put most of the low end power on the hybrid system, meaning less stress on the engine itself as it works with the hybrid motor.
Turbos will never be as good
Yeah, that’s why semis got rid of them. 🤦♂️
Holy shit are you a literal shill making different accounts to concern troll here?
Both brands quality sucks since model 22 . they only have their names but not quality especially when it comes to turbo engines
Turbo engine would be a concern .No wonder why manufacturers nowadays want to have a limited service life of parts !
Yeah, that’s why semi trucks got rid of turbos 🤦♂️
@@yolo_burrito Turbo diesels and turbo gas vehicles have very different reliability metrics. The diesels are spinning much slower and are usually more under square than gasoline engines (especially small displacement gas engines).
@@rich7447 I don’t think you’ve been in in a modern GTDI. I have one and you can be climbing uphill at 70 mph and stay under 2000 rpm’s in a 2.0 4 cylinder. A 6 cylinder would definitely downshift in those conditions. And this T24A-FTS is also undersquare at 87.5 mm bore x 99.5 mm stroke. It basically has all the design elements of a diesel but runs on gasoline.
@@yolo_burrito I own a Wrangler with a 2L. It is not comparable to my Cummins. That being said, I'm not a fan of L4s in anything other than motorcycles and lawnmowers.
Direct injection gas brings its own problems which is why the direct injection was dropped when the 4.6 was put in the Lexus GX.
@@rich7447 D4S solves all the direct injection issues. The 3.5l v6 is direct injected. I never said that a GTDI is a diesel I said the design is similar to a diesel and it has a torque curve similar to diesel. Of course gasoline doesn’t have the same energy content or burn characteristics but the delta between a GTDI and TDI of similar displacement is very narrow. I’d love to see a large displacement strait 6 GTDI to compare to a Cummins.