The new Sequoia is doing 24/21 on the same platform (hybrid), so it is doable. A plug-in hybrid would have been golden, even if it only gave 20-25 miles ev.
I get that most folks are putting thier magnifying glass over the economy but one has to look at the overall picture They were able to drop 2 cylinders, and add 49HP and 150(!) lb-ft of torque across a broader spectrum of the RPM band with reduced emissions and while doing this they gained a mpg or two... From an engineering perspective they got their cake and ate it as well. Some have to understand this is a nearly 6000lb body-on-frame FULL TIME 4WD SUV with the aerodynamics of a barn; they're engineers not magicians lol
Yeah eKDSS should be standard on all trims like KDSS is standard on ongoing models Mark Levison should be standard in luxury / luxury+ and optional in all other trims and hybrid should've been the 3.4L tundra/sequoia setup yep *here before naveenthekoreanmachine touting korean supremacy
I agree. It would be one thing for a Land Cruiser Prado to have the 2.4 Hybrid, but if you’re buying a Lexus GX, I think you should have the option of the Tundra i-Force MAX powertrain instead.
@@l.seventh7954 i think the reason is because they do not want to lose LX sales since that will gain a hybrid. even if the power is detuned, people could still be buying the GX over the LX based on pricing. but hey, at least the non-hybrid option has the twin turbo v6 and not the tacoma 4 cylinder
isnt mark levinson standard on the luxury plus? pretty sure it was already included in the spec manual. But i guess it probably doesn’t make a difference if they’re adding the same price markup to it as its listed in the options.
I wouldn’t complain about the GX not being luxurious since the Defender interior is very utilitarian too and that’s the type of interior off-roaders should have
What annoys me is the lack of real wood. In a luxury vehicle that should be offered, at least give me dang aluminum. The saddle brown leather interior saves it for me, but yeah full saddle would have been better. I would like the Luxury + with two rows. Also, speaking of the panoramic roof, if it’s not one that opens then it’s useless to me and a deal breaker. So I’m waiting for final details on that.
Most of the features and options that are missing now will likely become optional or standard later on down the road to keep the excitement around the new GX strong throughout its production run. It may sound a little silly initially, but I can see why Lexus would do this if it means we have stuff to look forward to in the future.
I am pretty sure you will be able to get third row and pano roof in the gx through special request to lexus. Lexus also didnt made marklevinson and the sunroof along with third row for lexus lx450d models but in dubai they were sold with all these three. Lexus didnt want to increase wait but in special request they added these features if their buyers want. There are a few lx450d on sale with these features that werent there in the australian or russian lx450ds.
Yeah that is very silly and a terrible excuse. Why do Lexus vehicles needs so many excuses? Let me guess they're leaving off features to increase reliability?
@@MercOne they have higher build quality than germans but are also cheap with tech/features (R&D cost) to keep profit margins high. the price on these NEW model Lexus is ostensibly high when compared to the germans, unfortunately. at least prior to these new models, Lexus was actually cheaper... EG, adjusted for inflation the GX was 22% cheaper in 2022-23 than it was in 2010. Now, the price will (presumably) get raised upwards of 10 grand or more, pushing it into a range where it's simply not as competitive. The lack of KDSS until upper trims is something new to the GX, so there's far less value in purchasing the lower trim levels than there used to be. The price is going to be MUCH higher because of this buy-in requirement if you want KDSS. I imagine it will still sell decent enough though as there is a following. I bought a 2022 GX blackline for $62k (standard KDSS and decent features)... if I want KDSS on a GX550 it's probably going to cost closer to $80 grand, which pushes it up to high trim pickup truck territory, which has far more utility. Glad I got the GX460 when I did.
I don’t fully agree with all the points but I definitely agree with the mpg thing. I think the boxy interior and more laid back styling is better for it imo. The interior of the Defender and G-Wagon are more boxy and less “luxurious” but I think it fits the off-road crowd more
@@paulbugoni2846 incorrect. I know a few people that have cross shopped them. Ultimately went with the g Wagon due to the Gas decade old design and lack of modern tech. Now stye are considering getting the new GX.
"off-road crowd" doesn't always mean rock crawling. There is a large crowd called "overlanders" where comfortable ride is a must at least for wife and kids in addition to very good off-road capabilities. This vehicle was built just for that purpose. If you don't like the mpg then you should consider a crossover (non-BOF) where you can get all miles you need including more usable space.
After working in ( non auto ) manufacturing all my life, I would say the interior color considerations are a convenience for them. Less variation means more productivity/throughput. Typically as models become established, different colors are introduced, both inside and out. Might be a consideration of the old supply chain woes, still existing?.
This will be my first Lexus. Already have a small deposit at the dealer. Coming from Porsche (currently own three) there have been several surprises for me. - $80k + and it comes with vinyl seats. This is surprising to me. - I asked the dealer when will the configurator be live so I can spec it and submit for the build? He laughed. Said it doesn’t work like Porsche. They get a number of allocated vehicles in and then anyone “on the list can accept or pass”. - little to no options for a premium vehicle. With Porsche, you can spec so many different options, types of leather, colors, color of stitching, even if you want leather wrapped on the air vent slats! (Yes it’s a ridiculous) However, I’m excited about the GX more for its capabilities than if I can pick the stitching colors on the sun visor. I’d be more excited if they offer off-road accessories, racks, bumper, snorkel… etc.
I feel like this power train was the right move. I want more power and towing in a luxury suv, and I really don’t mind sacrificing fuel economy for that. And honestly, when has a motor ever been able two deliver on those two things plus have good fuel economy and then also be reliable. That’s just the trade off. You want longevity and power, you can’t also have economy. Also the overtrail with two rows makes sense to me. More room in the back for gear, and unless you have a huge family, four passengers is plenty.
okay but the biggest LET DOWN is the TX! how the F*CK does LEXUS not even offer cooled seats for the rear captain chairs on the TX500h lol but they include them on the top trim platinum hybrid max on the GRAND HIGHLANDER....
Great video and points. Another miss for me is that the back of the interior doesn't give you a flat floor with the rear seats down. That's a big deal for me. Hoping the 4Runner is different and LC will be different but guessing not. Especially the LC.
This! I'm not sure why they don't have fold flat seats on any of these new gen Toyota/Lexus SUV models! Like I know they could've engineered different if it was a battery packing issue, but isn't the new GX fully gas? Plus the rear end seems to be super high so it's like they have all this extra space where a battery could be. Hopefully they can fix it on the 4runner which I'm the most excited to see. Sequoia had so much potential but they completely botched the third row and cargo space with the weird tier level shelf and giant flooded seats.
Something that was a real head scratcher for me is that the Lexus GX has 2-way adjustable lumbar support, but the new Tacoma has 4-way adjustable lumbar support.
If it's anything like the current GX, the Mark Levinson is only a marginal upgrade over the standard premium level stereo system compared to the rest of the lineup.
Definitely all subjective. I hate wood and excess stitching on rugged vehicles. If the materials and fit are top notch, that’s what I like personally. And just give me an all black interior. Simple and clean
Fuel economy is not just about the power train...tires, gearing, and aerodynamics make a big difference. A car the size of a a house will never get great fuel economy 😔
as a toyota owner for over 20 years, if it gets under 20mpg its for reliability. I value that over any mpg. Toyota has never disappointed, over 300k miles on my FJ60 still like new 10 mpg.
Thanks for this and all your excellent reviews and updates! I purchased my first Lexus in 2022 (RX450hl) and love the vehicle but hate the useless 3rd row (we just use it down for extra trunk space). But, one of the things that impresses me are the nice materials they use on the inside, as you mention. I'm very impressed with the technology updates of the 23 RX, but I am turned off by the heavy use of suede where leather should be. I really feel that the use of suede - although it feels nice - overall cheapens the interior. I don't even know if it would wear or fade like the leather. I'm in Florida, too, and you know the sun is strong. What's your opinion of the use of suede in the new Lexus and Toyota models? I don't feel they can say the seats are leather any longer. Thank you.
Definitely prefer the look and feel of leather over any suede. I watched a YT video of a guy showing his LC 500 and the suede inserts looked terrible. They looked worn and dirty even though they weren't since the guy was obviously very meticulous about his LC.
Former automotive engineer here. ALL materials used in a car are tested VIGOROUSLY: they go lab testing as well as real world. The vehicles are shipped to places like Nordic countries, New Zealand and the Middle East to see how all components including the interior perform. The suede should last beyond the mechanical bits. This has been the norm for a loonnnng time. It is quite fascinating that many OEMs just forgot to let the masses know, as they do not mention these in their brochures and marketing materials. Product liability related laws makes this a continuous necessity, and along with TPS method all the major OEMs should have no problem in proving the durability of their products...
So excited about the new body style and the fact that the hatch back now goes up and not out. I am unhappy now that I know there are no knobs for the A/C and Heat. Also your right, there could be more colors to choose from.
I know you said you had to dig to find 10 things wrong with the new GX and it seems like it. The panoramic roof for example, cannot be had in the Premium + or Overtrail trims because it would lower the towing capacity from 8K (glass is heavy). Look at the Tundra and even the F150 with those roofs, the pay load suffers when those are added. As for fuel economy, yes, 17 is not earth shattering but I'd guess that the 17 number is for the Overtrail trims with 33" AT tires and not the regular trims with city shoes. The true let down is the back door (as not mentioned in your video). The swing gate is gone and that's okay but it should have been a split hatch like what the 200 series Land Cruiser had or even the Range Rover. For those that never had one of these hatches, yes they are/were that good and worth it. Instead, you complained about paint and compared it with $6500 paint colors from the G Wagon or said that a yellow GX would be nice. Would it? Would a school bus yellow GX really sell? Probably not. Why don't we just accept it for what it is (an improvement from the older version sans the tailgate)?
The tundra hybrid didnt come out right away either. But it's a good business decision. Theres more to come. These dislike videos make me laugh because a lot of what youtubers are saying are things coming later and also just personal opinion stuff. Toyota and lexus have very good reasons for what they do. Very intelligent brand.
I don't know what's going on with the Toyota/Lexus corporate and their decision-making, but they're making some really bad decisions right now when it comes to how they're bringing out their product. They seem to be following the old Honda/ Acura path that Honda was doing 10 years ago when Honda was focusing more on Honda and not Acura and Acura was being considered an after thought
This! Bringing the LC Prado in the US would only be redundant in a market that already has the 4Runner and diminishes the GX's exclusivity. The Venza has already done the same to the NX. Even more proof that Lexus doesn't receive much love from parent Toyota is the beancounter special TX, sharing the same bodyshell with the Grand Highlander but with an even more dour interior. Lexus buyers deserve better.
Ugh nope, Maybe to your eyes. Honda is pure garbage and still focusing on their Honda brand and especially specific products like HRV, CRV, and Civic. Every time i passes Honda dealerships. They have tons of Ridgeline they can't even get rid of. They're the type of delusion of a company than any others.
You are 100% right Kirk......... on all of the things you brought up. I have, like many others awaited the GX for a long time. I think the biggest thing is the finish on the interior......very Toyota.....I just don't see allot of 'Lexus". I also hear that that pano roof in the Luxury trim does NOT open......not good. Color choices on exterior and interior are just to limited. And, to much two-tone on interior. But I love the exterior look of the GX and hope it does well for Lexus. I will get serious about this vehicle but I will watch from the sideline for awhile. I have a '17 RX F-Sport and I do love it.....only 55K and I still love getting into it to go, go. Thanks Kirk for all you do!!
In the mid/late 00s SUVs like this were all over the road. Sometime around then gas doubled in price. They were all off the road 5 years later. This thing is great now, but its going to suck when gas hits $10-12/gallon
@@CarShopping101 avg gas price is about the same as 15 years ago. It might not change much for another 10-15 years, but like the 70s and 00s, when it does go, it'll double pretty quickly.
Yeah I agree, the fuel economy sucks. But it is a bigger vehicle. It has cool off roading styling which hurts aerodynamics. More power/torque and up to a 8000 lb tow rating. I'm waiting for the hybrid, hopefully it is the 2.4 hybrid and not the 3.4 hybrid. I don't need that much power/torque. I'll buy it if the combined MPG is around 22 or 23. That's a big percentage increase from 17 mpg.
A bigger vehicle like this requires a bigger engine. A 2.4 hybrid engine will be too small and add too much stress on it, compromising reliability and longevity
overtrail is well thought IMHO, you need bigger boot for stuff and roof capacity to the max, the more glass you have overhead the less you can put on top, or your center of gravity shifts, these limits have their purpose
I hate the third rows. That is why I still drive my oldS UV that doesn't have a third row and the cargo area folds flat for my use camping & overlanding.
Hoping the overtrail comes out with a hybrid engine and it's not just in the lower trims. I have a hybrid RX and love the refinement of the low vibration, engine feathering in and out, quietness and the gas mileage of course. I don't need the third seat, I'd rather have the cargo space. F Sport in a GX is silly. My 2023 RX doesn't have climate control buttons and I don't miss it at all.
Ok, here's the thing. A lot of people are actually going to want a two row. We all know if the Overtrail came with three, even as an option, Toyota USA would allow almost no 2rows to make it here. We have a hard enough time getting the good colors because of them. Wherevi live, i have seen only two red and one blue across the entire 460 range. I had to go to SC to get one of the reds. Also, i am glad to lose the wood, especially on the steering wheel. I do agree that we need climate switches.
I was one of those who don't need a 3rd row )) it just impractical on the trails, as you either have people without much gear for a trip, or you can have 4-5 people and load everything you want and need.
some of us have no need for a 3 rd row, like camp out of the back , remove the 2rd row also to save wt and increase payload , just saying but like to see it in person
Also, until we get to see the interior of the Luxury and Premum, we don't know what it is actually like. My guess is that it was not complete on the demo at the release. And, by the way, the feature list (semi-brochure) that was posted with your original post has disappeared from the Lexus page. I bet they are making feature changes based on the reactions
Hey Kirk, Thanks for all of the detailed and timely content! Can you tell if the pano-roof will open on the GX? I did not notice any separation in the glass.
@KirkKreifels oh BOOO! A stupid dimming roof?! They have a regular opening panoramic roof on the Tundra and Sequoia. That’s a deal breaker for me because I’m so used to an opening panoramic roof, which I use all the time.
To me, it is the rear wiper. Same size as RAV, which has a significantly small surface area to cover. Pointless to have a wiper this small - looks good but stupid. Fall into the category (for marketing & engineering cost structure) - ticking the have that done that check box on their initial development spec. I hope this new GX has electronic rear view mirror option to remedy this situation.
This is exactly what I really wanted to tell everyone! They're losing a good old Lexus's refinement for sure. Also upset me that they ditched V8 to get possible(?) 1 mpg better?! I'm glad to pick GX460 last year before they'll be gone.
@@zhamed9587Have you ever heard or deiven the lexus lx450d? The sound of that diesel engine is great. Imagine this lexus gx550 with a v8 diesel with 650nm of torque.
After seeing the new 2024 Tacoma’s interior especially the Trd pro and Trailhunter, Lexus dropped the ball on the GX especially the Overtrail’s interior the Overtrail’s interior just doesn’t feel special to me, it’s fine but it just feels like what you would get in a base RX or something like that
the MPG is due to the fact this fucking thing is as big as a Land Cruiser 200..it's called a GX but we shouldn't compare it to the GX460, its a different vehicle. it's like going from Ranger to F150, but still calling it a Ranger.
The pano roof not being standard is hugely disappointing to me. I put a deposit down for the Overtrail plus and it really sucks to think a luxury vehicle like this won’t have a pano roof.
Are you on a waiting list? My local Lexus dealers have only established a waiting list for now with deposit, however the ordering window is not open yet.
I sold my 2015 Toyota 4runner limited and got a 2017 grand Cherokee hemi overland then a 2019 durango RT now a 2022 durango RT plus to see that the new Gx is gonna cost alot more for the way I want it. I rather keep my truck and fail the Gx for a few years from now. Thank you for the video and good luck with your new Gx.
As a GX they can easily charge $70k , also so far we only see the basic premium and over trail models. The Luxury and Luxury + will be look very nice but I assume most will buy the premium or premium+.
Most modern cars getting 3-4mpg improvements (comparing against similar displacement engines from 5-10 years ago), mostly because of weight savings and aerodynamic improvements. Lexus/toyota clearly prioritized the boxy off-road look, the body-on-frame design, low end power/towing capability, etc--which all work against gas mileage. I care about MPG/convenience too, but you just gotta be aware of the tradeoffs. 100% agree with the way they made the Mark Levinson upgrade unavailable on the standard overtrail. So disappointing...
Excellent points. Final EPA numbers should be better than initially quoted because 17 mpg is dismal. Lexus should have revealed hybrid numbers at launch. Right on again with the interior. What's with the GX and TX having so dark and dour interiors? The offroad-centric Defender offers a much more interesting interior color palette and Lexus does have better color/trim options in the outgoing GX and the rest of its crossover/SUV lineup. Bamboo trim introduced in the last gen GS should really make a comeback.
I'd say the styling on the exterior is a HOMERUN, for sure. However............ it really is missing a lot and I'm glad you are the one who doesn't mince words. The lack of the V8 is a shame but I guess we are just going to have to accept that. The V 6 turbo may be a good engine, but it will require a lot more attention, and oil changes and care if you really want it to last. That's just the nature of turbos. The gas economy or lack there off, has never been a deal breaker for me in any vehicle. I have been using premium fuel in my trucks for years so I'm used to it, the only one that doesn't require it is my Colorado. The no KDSS and all the other features that were standard across the previous GX 460 line, those may all be deal breakers for me. The no third row seat in the Overtrail is just dumb, the fact that the second row does not fold flat is also not good. I would love to see how the seats fold on the other trim levels. At least on the GX 460 the seats are pretty flat. We all just have to wait and see.
I’m glad it has no third row seat. Hell, I would like to be able to take all but the front seats out if I could, but you can find any cause of all the second row seat safety stuff .
#10 17:00 it’s funny you say that because the GMC AT4X when released had the same bumper as the other models, but people were quick to point out that the ZR2 Silverado featured an exclusive bumper for its trim. A year later they updated the bumper for the AT4X. I can imagine the same thought process here, and a year from now some third party OEMs arrive to the scene with the factory Lexus
Number 11 - headrests do not articulate forward/backward. Just up and down. They are obviously saving those items you mentioned for the later years so it will appear to be upgrades. I say if you can wait 2 or 3 years do so.
It is a bigger car than the old GX and probably heavy and faster. Switches that need to be touched will driving should always be physical switches as they are much easier to use on the move. I can understand where your coming from, because the car is a bit confusing in terms of it being a Lexus which is about luxury and it having a utilitarian not so luxury feel. I love the boxy look of it except for how the rear fender meets the taillight because looking at it from the side the section between the taillight and rear fender doesn’t blend into the rear fender.
Well, if you were let down by the computer animation then I feel sorry for you. Perhaps you should wait for in-person review than crying out with pointless arguments. There actually has been in-person review that puts most of your "worries" in the trash.
#11 -I’m in hot Florida delete of the ceiling vents is a huge bummer-almost a game changer where I’m probably going to buy a couple year old 460 and not fill bad about modifying it with snorkel and such -I couldn’t do that to a new 550
I used to have an old GX470, it needed premium all the time. The biggest thing for me is that is it now able to use regular gas with the same output. That would be at least tolerable. I have a 5.7 Tundra now, but at least it takes regular, and I kind of break even with cost compared to my GX with premium I think it is a very much better vehicle in every way, the conservative style will age well and be more dignified. Competing against the G wagon, Eh, that is a different class of clientele and the Gwagen is not what it used to be. Can't wait for it to destroy the Rovers in comparison.
My main complaint is that it appears the only way to be rid of that third row is to buy the Overtrail. I have an LX now, and the third-row seats are useless to me and take up valuable cargo space.
I own a 2023 GX460 Premium, the only thing i don’t like about it is the back door, I totally agree with you on the gas mileage of the new 2024 GX 550, that sucks. Also, the back wiper is exposed as opposed to the GX 2023 which is hidden.
For those that use the vehicle as an Overlander the swing out door is perfect, much better than the 4Runner style hatch. Turbo with crappy mileage is a miss also. On next Gen
I don't know much about the hybrid systems, but to me its a no brainer to be able to charge your battery when you plug it in instead of needing your truck to be running to charge it?
Great review Kirk. I'm not sure that the pano roof even opens. They call it a sky roof, and the Venza roof that is like that does not open ? I totally agree with the colors...so drab. Thank you for showing the white Luxury model in this video. First I've seen of it, and it does look rather sharp. They really need some brighter colors for both interior and exterior. To pay this much for a GX, the interior should look the part...... it is disappointing. Even the Highlander has stitching.
Right, apparently the roof doesn’t open as I just read Kirk say, which is a huge disappointment. I could forgive the fake wood and rather bland interior (was gonna go with saddle leather) but a roof that doesn’t open is a deal breaker for me. Luxury + was the trim I was interested in.
*33s, Overtrail trims come with 33s I think they might be more similar then expected, the 2 variables for wheels/tires is weight and rolling resistance Overtrail has big 33s but smaller 18" wheels -> lighter wheels but bigger tires, likely best ride quaity (due to meatier tires, and eKDSS) Premium has ~31s with a 20" wheel -> middle of the bunch in both dimensions, perhaps best value here for economy / ride quality Luxury has ~32s with a 22" wheel -> likely worse of the 3 for economy since big wheel and big tires as well as lesser ride quality due to big wheels
Most people are going to by the plus model of each trim anyway. And I would expect a luxury vehicle of this era to have voice commands for everything, so as long as there's that, then dedicated buttons wouldn't be needed. I'm still excited for the new GX but waiting for to see what the LC brings and will make a decision on a new vehicle after the 4Runner shows up.
@Kirk - Ulitmately, the affordability matters, be it GX or Land Cruiser. I hope Toyota/Lexus do not make the same mistakes again. Providing a model which does not satisfy the customer, but costs 2 Kidneys is not acceptable.. This is my 2 cents..
Why would larger LX on same platform average 19mpg? I feel sure this will be revised upward. Agree they need a light interior across the lineup, with more luxury styling on the interior. I thought I would really miss the hard button on the new Lexus interface. But after a few weeks I didn't miss them at all.
After having watched several new videos and with new information available (MSRP and MPG) here are my thoughts: Positives-it looks good and the prices are relatively reasonable, although ADMs the first few years will put buyers off. Negatives-the poor MPG will also put buyers off and the interior screams Toyota, not Lexus, which is probably why the prices are reasonable. Screens are cheaper to produce. Prefer the physical buttons of the new LC. Hybrid may be the way to go but time will tell.
Fun fact: We can get much much MUCH better MPG, we could easily get a V8 that gets 40MPG... the problem is that it would pollute way more, that is thw sad truth....fuel economy keeps going down as the pollution standards get harder to meet... causing us to use more fuel.
[Getting 40 mpg from a 5.7-liter LS1 V8 requires more than just low-speed cruising, however. As the video explains, this car has a special “lean burn” engine tune that thins out the air-fuel mixture at highway speeds, specifically between 50 and 75 mph. To gauge highway fuel mileage, the car was filled up at a gas station near a Chicago highway and driven to Wisconsin and back, where it was refilled at the same pump several hours later. So why don’t automakers do this sort of thing? Running an engine lean can have negative consequences, higher NOx emissions being among them. Lean engines also run hotter, which can take a toll on components over time. Whether the lean-tune established for this Corvette is aggressive enough to drastically affect these parameters is unknown, but we can’t deny that hitting 40 mph in a high-horsepower sports car is indeed impressive. ] There is a Trade off for that ─ Heavier Vehicles (heavier Engines) ─ Like Teslas will worn out the Roads and of course, the Tires faster. [the pollution standards get harder to meet] About this, there are so many unregistered Vehicles ─ Mostly ICE Diesel in Rural China, Indonesia, India and of course Russia that ─ undocumented, polluted the Air. If like what we are seeing the Trend ─ China is shifting to BEV and PHEV, Hybrids ─ there would be less Vehicles demanded Gasolines then "mpg" is less of an important factor ─ "Supply and Demand" Equation is tipped toward less consumptions overall worldwide. It did not mean that China with BEV (Electrified Vehicles) will reduce CO2 Emissions, The Government Data of China shown, China relies more and more on burning Fossil Fuels for the Electric Powers Generations ─ it was standing at about 80-85% of Fossils mostly Coals used to have generated last year and 2021 ─ where the Droughts that caused Hydro-powered to almost Zero. And The Scientific Fact: That those Old Electric Generators/Plants are not efficient as the Modern Vehicles ─ Our Cars, mostly 1 foot mufflers above Roads' surfaces ─ CO2/ CO emissions some are absorbed by the Trees along the Roads/Streets. While as those Chimneys of Electric Powers Plants piped up 300 feet above the Ground ─ All leftover Methane or Coals or 🛢🛢burned are up into the Air/ Ozone faster. As a Consumer, we/I would welcome and like to see more BEV by those chose (can afford to) buy ─ that will assure the Gasolines at the ⛽ ⛽ pumps going down. Regards,
Brother I loved your video and everything you spoke out . But let’s come to reality everything you see in USA is different and everyone knows USA can’t bring the best of this cars when made in USA so they keep the competition for the other models to be all equal . I’ve been in Middle East and Asia and you see this cars with the scariest packages and the best options and terms . This is reality .
Agree with it completely Great video Kirk. I think Lexus got confused between GX and TX. 2 average models, none stands out. I am going to stick with 2020
I dont like how big the new one is going to be. I think the 460 is the perfect size, tighter turn radius than an RX, fits perfectly in my garage ans parking spaces. The 550 is like 6 inches wider and 5 inches longer (EDIT) also they put the rear wipers in the middle of the back window, zonk!
All valid points for this new GX! It’s more like a Toyota, not a Lexus GX! Why purchase this over the LX? The new GX is too large-hard to fit into the garage!
@@edmundcharles5278 Well you kinda get majority he LX features here for about 20-30k less money lol Really the question is why purchase the LX over this if they're identical wheelbase and size
Love your site!! Do you know by any chance if a roof rack with rails will be available on the Lexus GX 550 Luxury Plus due to the panoramic sunroof? I know it is avail now on the newer RX. Thanks again
The only relevant comment in my opinion was the fuel issue. The rest is petty stuff. This is an extremely dependable, capable and reliable vehicle, that holds a way better resale value than Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi, Land Rover and all the American made counterparts. I know because I have owned all of them.
I'm interested in the Ovetrail. I won't buy a 3-row because I'll never use it and it takes up too much room. As for the panoramic roof, I don't want it. Heck, I'd rather not have a sunroof either.
Gas yea, wireless charging must be standard, ambient lighting must be standard. I hope it’s not the size of a H3 hummer. Zero wood 🪵pano roof should be an option on all models
EKanooRacingTV got the LX600 f sport tuned for around 5 and half sec 0-60. Also there is JB4 for Tundra so I'm interested to see if there's something for the gx
I agree with two. Getting over 22 mpg shouldn't be too much to ask in 2024, and more colors would be awesome.
Agreed. I will only seriously consider if it can go above 23 mpg with the hybrid. Gas cars with low mpg is getting phased out
How do you expect a 2.5 ton body-on-frame vehicle to get 22mpg???? Perhaps you've been looking at wrong SUV.
@@chopperpl LX managed to get 19mpg with more hp and larger size. 22mph is a very reasonable ask. 17mpg is just hideous.
The new Sequoia is doing 24/21 on the same platform (hybrid), so it is doable. A plug-in hybrid would have been golden, even if it only gave 20-25 miles ev.
@@rocketrollsvlogs7625new sequoias get 15/16 real world
Yeah 17 mpg combined after dropping cyls and adding cogs after 10+ years to work it out is just poor
At that point I'd rather get the n/a v8
Toyota/Lexus are usually a little low on the numbers. I would guess it will be more around 19 mpg.
I get that most folks are putting thier magnifying glass over the economy but one has to look at the overall picture
They were able to drop 2 cylinders, and add 49HP and 150(!) lb-ft of torque across a broader spectrum of the RPM band with reduced emissions
and while doing this they gained a mpg or two...
From an engineering perspective they got their cake and ate it as well.
Some have to understand this is a nearly 6000lb body-on-frame FULL TIME 4WD SUV with the aerodynamics of a barn; they're engineers not magicians lol
The people who actually buy/lease these vehicles don't care about fuel economy.
@@chibbyylol I agree.
Yeah eKDSS should be standard on all trims like KDSS is standard on ongoing models
Mark Levison should be standard in luxury / luxury+ and optional in all other trims
and hybrid should've been the 3.4L tundra/sequoia setup yep
*here before naveenthekoreanmachine touting korean supremacy
I agree. It would be one thing for a Land Cruiser Prado to have the 2.4 Hybrid, but if you’re buying a Lexus GX, I think you should have the option of the Tundra i-Force MAX powertrain instead.
@@l.seventh7954 i think the reason is because they do not want to lose LX sales since that will gain a hybrid. even if the power is detuned, people could still be buying the GX over the LX based on pricing. but hey, at least the non-hybrid option has the twin turbo v6 and not the tacoma 4 cylinder
isnt mark levinson standard on the luxury plus? pretty sure it was already included in the spec manual. But i guess it probably doesn’t make a difference if they’re adding the same price markup to it as its listed in the options.
I wouldn’t complain about the GX not being luxurious since the Defender interior is very utilitarian too and that’s the type of interior off-roaders should have
Yet the defender has the luxury of performance
Yes but defender doesn't have a father brand. Basic is for 4runner
@@naveenthemachine and the luxury of lasting less than 15K miles
I wish it was even utilitarian.. damn those digital climate controls!
@@explosev6513 perhaps they should have made the full digital gauge standard on the TX and left it standard on higher trims of the GX
What annoys me is the lack of real wood. In a luxury vehicle that should be offered, at least give me dang aluminum. The saddle brown leather interior saves it for me, but yeah full saddle would have been better. I would like the Luxury + with two rows. Also, speaking of the panoramic roof, if it’s not one that opens then it’s useless to me and a deal breaker. So I’m waiting for final details on that.
Enough with the fuel econ. It's a full-time 4wd off-road box with 33-inch tires. The laws of physics are undefeated.
Most of the features and options that are missing now will likely become optional or standard later on down the road to keep the excitement around the new GX strong throughout its production run. It may sound a little silly initially, but I can see why Lexus would do this if it means we have stuff to look forward to in the future.
I am pretty sure you will be able to get third row and pano roof in the gx through special request to lexus. Lexus also didnt made marklevinson and the sunroof along with third row for lexus lx450d models but in dubai they were sold with all these three. Lexus didnt want to increase wait but in special request they added these features if their buyers want. There are a few lx450d on sale with these features that werent there in the australian or russian lx450ds.
@@oriondoublecrossed Makes sense honestly.
Yeah that is very silly and a terrible excuse. Why do Lexus vehicles needs so many excuses? Let me guess they're leaving off features to increase reliability?
@@MercOne they have higher build quality than germans but are also cheap with tech/features (R&D cost) to keep profit margins high. the price on these NEW model Lexus is ostensibly high when compared to the germans, unfortunately. at least prior to these new models, Lexus was actually cheaper... EG, adjusted for inflation the GX was 22% cheaper in 2022-23 than it was in 2010. Now, the price will (presumably) get raised upwards of 10 grand or more, pushing it into a range where it's simply not as competitive. The lack of KDSS until upper trims is something new to the GX, so there's far less value in purchasing the lower trim levels than there used to be. The price is going to be MUCH higher because of this buy-in requirement if you want KDSS. I imagine it will still sell decent enough though as there is a following. I bought a 2022 GX blackline for $62k (standard KDSS and decent features)... if I want KDSS on a GX550 it's probably going to cost closer to $80 grand, which pushes it up to high trim pickup truck territory, which has far more utility. Glad I got the GX460 when I did.
@@MercOne
Lexus owners/fanatics love making excuses for why Lexus vehicles continue to lag behind the competition in luxury amenities & technology.
I don’t fully agree with all the points but I definitely agree with the mpg thing. I think the boxy interior and more laid back styling is better for it imo. The interior of the Defender and G-Wagon are more boxy and less “luxurious” but I think it fits the off-road crowd more
GWagon starts at 140k. No one is cross shopping a GX against a GWagon. GX however goes up against the Defender very nicely.
@@paulbugoni2846 well I feel some people would, very slight margin. But I think some people would
@@paulbugoni2846 incorrect. I know a few people that have cross shopped them. Ultimately went with the g Wagon due to the Gas decade old design and lack of modern tech. Now stye are considering getting the new GX.
"off-road crowd" doesn't always mean rock crawling. There is a large crowd called "overlanders" where comfortable ride is a must at least for wife and kids in addition to very good off-road capabilities. This vehicle was built just for that purpose. If you don't like the mpg then you should consider a crossover (non-BOF) where you can get all miles you need including more usable space.
@@jaydenp.6243 lol then they are confused.
After working in ( non auto ) manufacturing all my life, I would say the interior color considerations are a convenience for them. Less variation means more productivity/throughput. Typically as models become established, different colors are introduced, both inside and out.
Might be a consideration of the old supply chain woes, still existing?.
Could be so!
This will be my first Lexus. Already have a small deposit at the dealer.
Coming from Porsche (currently own three) there have been several surprises for me.
- $80k + and it comes with vinyl seats. This is surprising to me.
- I asked the dealer when will the configurator be live so I can spec it and submit for the build? He laughed. Said it doesn’t work like Porsche. They get a number of allocated vehicles in and then anyone “on the list can accept or pass”.
- little to no options for a premium vehicle. With Porsche, you can spec so many different options, types of leather, colors, color of stitching, even if you want leather wrapped on the air vent slats! (Yes it’s a ridiculous)
However, I’m excited about the GX more for its capabilities than if I can pick the stitching colors on the sun visor.
I’d be more excited if they offer off-road accessories, racks, bumper, snorkel… etc.
This thing is very much a land cruiser. Traditionally they had one trim.
The Luxury and Luxury + trims come with real semi-aniline leather. Your other points are valid.
Your points are very valid. Hopefully Lexus read your comment.
Let’s be real: none of the first buyers of this vehicle will ever take it off road
I will
Wrong
I will…
I will. It's called pot holes and janky boat ramps in MN
I definitely will.
I feel like this power train was the right move. I want more power and towing in a luxury suv, and I really don’t mind sacrificing fuel economy for that. And honestly, when has a motor ever been able two deliver on those two things plus have good fuel economy and then also be reliable. That’s just the trade off. You want longevity and power, you can’t also have economy. Also the overtrail with two rows makes sense to me. More room in the back for gear, and unless you have a huge family, four passengers is plenty.
okay but the biggest LET DOWN is the TX! how the F*CK does LEXUS not even offer cooled seats for the rear captain chairs on the TX500h lol but they include them on the top trim platinum hybrid max on the GRAND HIGHLANDER....
Lexus did the bare minimum for the TX because they know they could get away with it. Beancounters won with that one. Disappointing.
unfortunately, one thing that naveen the green machine got right in terms of disappointment mostly
@@mark_u I expected TX to be more luxurious than MDX and QX60
@@chezzyperson3339 Likewise. After all, Lexus has more resources to make a better three-row crossover entry than Acura and Infiniti.
Between the three, the qx60 is actually the best (imo). Then the mdx. Then the TX. The TX tbh feels like a glorified Toyota product.
Its not perfect but damn, if the Prado does come closer to this, I will definitely go for it.
Great video and points. Another miss for me is that the back of the interior doesn't give you a flat floor with the rear seats down. That's a big deal for me. Hoping the 4Runner is different and LC will be different but guessing not. Especially the LC.
This! I'm not sure why they don't have fold flat seats on any of these new gen Toyota/Lexus SUV models! Like I know they could've engineered different if it was a battery packing issue, but isn't the new GX fully gas? Plus the rear end seems to be super high so it's like they have all this extra space where a battery could be. Hopefully they can fix it on the 4runner which I'm the most excited to see. Sequoia had so much potential but they completely botched the third row and cargo space with the weird tier level shelf and giant flooded seats.
@@gotcoke795 no wonder the Armada still outsells it
Um the all Toyota body-on-frame (TNGA-F) will not have a flat load floor due to the packaging of the undercarriage components.
@@chezzyperson3339 The Armada does not outsell the GX buddy. 29.9k vs less than 15k
@@jaydenp.6243 not the GX, the Sequoia
3rd row on an off roader is rough. Trying sitting in the third row when going over a speed bump 😂
Lexus just needs to put bigger gas tanks. 😂
Something that was a real head scratcher for me is that the Lexus GX has 2-way adjustable lumbar support, but the new Tacoma has 4-way adjustable lumbar support.
If I was buying one there’s no way I would put down that much money without getting the Mark Lev sound system. It’s incredible.
They probably will add it in only during the mid-cycle upgrade
If it's anything like the current GX, the Mark Levinson is only a marginal upgrade over the standard premium level stereo system compared to the rest of the lineup.
Definitely all subjective. I hate wood and excess stitching on rugged vehicles. If the materials and fit are top notch, that’s what I like personally. And just give me an all black interior. Simple and clean
Fuel economy is not just about the power train...tires, gearing, and aerodynamics make a big difference. A car the size of a a house will never get great fuel economy 😔
Facts
as a toyota owner for over 20 years, if it gets under 20mpg its for reliability. I value that over any mpg. Toyota has never disappointed, over 300k miles on my FJ60 still like new 10 mpg.
Underpowered but man are those 2Fs reliable as long as the carburetor is properly maintained.
10 MPG 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for this and all your excellent reviews and updates! I purchased my first Lexus in 2022 (RX450hl) and love the vehicle but hate the useless 3rd row (we just use it down for extra trunk space). But, one of the things that impresses me are the nice materials they use on the inside, as you mention. I'm very impressed with the technology updates of the 23 RX, but I am turned off by the heavy use of suede where leather should be. I really feel that the use of suede - although it feels nice - overall cheapens the interior. I don't even know if it would wear or fade like the leather. I'm in Florida, too, and you know the sun is strong. What's your opinion of the use of suede in the new Lexus and Toyota models? I don't feel they can say the seats are leather any longer. Thank you.
Definitely prefer the look and feel of leather over any suede. I watched a YT video of a guy showing his LC 500 and the suede inserts looked terrible. They looked worn and dirty even though they weren't since the guy was obviously very meticulous about his LC.
LOL
Why you buy Long version if you don't need 3rd row?)
@@dimav975 Gave me extra trunk space because the slope of the roof reduces usable trunk space.
Former automotive engineer here. ALL materials used in a car are tested VIGOROUSLY: they go lab testing as well as real world. The vehicles are shipped to places like Nordic countries, New Zealand and the Middle East to see how all components including the interior perform. The suede should last beyond the mechanical bits. This has been the norm for a loonnnng time. It is quite fascinating that many OEMs just forgot to let the masses know, as they do not mention these in their brochures and marketing materials. Product liability related laws makes this a continuous necessity, and along with TPS method all the major OEMs should have no problem in proving the durability of their products...
So excited about the new body style and the fact that the hatch back now goes up and not out. I am unhappy now that I know there are no knobs for the A/C and Heat. Also your right, there could be more colors to choose from.
That’s probably the only thing I hate about my Land Cruiser - software buttons for AC/Heat
You can't please everyone why review if you gonna complain ?
I know you said you had to dig to find 10 things wrong with the new GX and it seems like it. The panoramic roof for example, cannot be had in the Premium + or Overtrail trims because it would lower the towing capacity from 8K (glass is heavy). Look at the Tundra and even the F150 with those roofs, the pay load suffers when those are added. As for fuel economy, yes, 17 is not earth shattering but I'd guess that the 17 number is for the Overtrail trims with 33" AT tires and not the regular trims with city shoes.
The true let down is the back door (as not mentioned in your video). The swing gate is gone and that's okay but it should have been a split hatch like what the 200 series Land Cruiser had or even the Range Rover. For those that never had one of these hatches, yes they are/were that good and worth it.
Instead, you complained about paint and compared it with $6500 paint colors from the G Wagon or said that a yellow GX would be nice. Would it? Would a school bus yellow GX really sell? Probably not.
Why don't we just accept it for what it is (an improvement from the older version sans the tailgate)?
When we talk of Luxury, the cabin noise reduction w/acoustic glass and sound dampening materials must be talked about.
The tundra hybrid didnt come out right away either. But it's a good business decision. Theres more to come. These dislike videos make me laugh because a lot of what youtubers are saying are things coming later and also just personal opinion stuff. Toyota and lexus have very good reasons for what they do. Very intelligent brand.
Agreed
I don't know what's going on with the Toyota/Lexus corporate and their decision-making, but they're making some really bad decisions right now when it comes to how they're bringing out their product. They seem to be following the old Honda/ Acura path that Honda was doing 10 years ago when Honda was focusing more on Honda and not Acura and Acura was being considered an after thought
This! Bringing the LC Prado in the US would only be redundant in a market that already has the 4Runner and diminishes the GX's exclusivity. The Venza has already done the same to the NX. Even more proof that Lexus doesn't receive much love from parent Toyota is the beancounter special TX, sharing the same bodyshell with the Grand Highlander but with an even more dour interior. Lexus buyers deserve better.
Ugh nope, Maybe to your eyes. Honda is pure garbage and still focusing on their Honda brand and especially specific products like HRV, CRV, and Civic. Every time i passes Honda dealerships. They have tons of Ridgeline they can't even get rid of. They're the type of delusion of a company than any others.
You are 100% right Kirk......... on all of the things you brought up. I have, like many others awaited the GX for a long time. I think the biggest thing is the finish on the interior......very Toyota.....I just don't see allot of 'Lexus". I also hear that that pano roof in the Luxury trim does NOT open......not good. Color choices on exterior and interior are just to limited. And, to much two-tone on interior. But I love the exterior look of the GX and hope it does well for Lexus. I will get serious about this vehicle but I will watch from the sideline for awhile. I have a '17 RX F-Sport and I do love it.....only 55K and I still love getting into it to go, go. Thanks Kirk for all you do!!
Thanks for sharing Angela!
In the mid/late 00s SUVs like this were all over the road. Sometime around then gas doubled in price. They were all off the road 5 years later. This thing is great now, but its going to suck when gas hits $10-12/gallon
If gas hits 10$/ gal we'll have bigger things to worry about than buying a luxury SUV
@@KirkKreifels Agreed. Premium is over $5/gallon in a few states. If gas doubles, that's about the price it'll be.
Gas will never even get over $5 in most states. There's plenty of oil in the world.
@@CarShopping101 avg gas price is about the same as 15 years ago. It might not change much for another 10-15 years, but like the 70s and 00s, when it does go, it'll double pretty quickly.
Yeah I agree, the fuel economy sucks. But it is a bigger vehicle. It has cool off roading styling which hurts aerodynamics. More power/torque and up to a 8000 lb tow rating. I'm waiting for the hybrid, hopefully it is the 2.4 hybrid and not the 3.4 hybrid. I don't need that much power/torque. I'll buy it if the combined MPG is around 22 or 23. That's a big percentage increase from 17 mpg.
The bigger LX600 gets better mpg.
@@1984mrdale Yeah good point. It is bigger, has more horsepower, the same torque, and gets better mpg.
A bigger vehicle like this requires a bigger engine. A 2.4 hybrid engine will be too small and add too much stress on it, compromising reliability and longevity
@@antoniosmith197 Yeah good point. How much would the electric motors help to reduce the engine stress though?
A top-spec Overtrail+ should be available with genuine leather. I agree...premium sound should be an option on all trim levels.
Genuine leather should be standard on all trim levels for the price
overtrail is well thought IMHO, you need bigger boot for stuff and roof capacity to the max, the more glass you have overhead the less you can put on top, or your center of gravity shifts, these limits have their purpose
I hate the third rows. That is why I still drive my oldS UV that doesn't have a third row and the cargo area folds flat for my use camping & overlanding.
Hoping the overtrail comes out with a hybrid engine and it's not just in the lower trims. I have a hybrid RX and love the refinement of the low vibration, engine feathering in and out, quietness and the gas mileage of course. I don't need the third seat, I'd rather have the cargo space. F Sport in a GX is silly. My 2023 RX doesn't have climate control buttons and I don't miss it at all.
For me the approach and departure angles could have been a bit better. Let's hope the new Prado based LC will have better angles.
Don't get your hopes up too much 🙃
Prado versions tend to be exact same angles, maybe a tad better with front bumper not going that low but then that's it.
@@makatron The current Prado’s approach angle is 30.4 degrees I believe.
@@electrikoptik right now I'm seriusly considering the new Tacoma, or wait a bit for the eventual all new 4Runner.
If you’re looking for rock crawling approach angles, you’re not gonna get it with these luxury overlanders. Wait for the 4Runner.
Ok, here's the thing. A lot of people are actually going to want a two row. We all know if the Overtrail came with three, even as an option, Toyota USA would allow almost no 2rows to make it here. We have a hard enough time getting the good colors because of them. Wherevi live, i have seen only two red and one blue across the entire 460 range. I had to go to SC to get one of the reds. Also, i am glad to lose the wood, especially on the steering wheel. I do agree that we need climate switches.
I was one of those who don't need a 3rd row )) it just impractical on the trails, as you either have people without much gear for a trip, or you can have 4-5 people and load everything you want and need.
some of us have no need for a 3 rd row, like camp out of the back , remove the 2rd row also to save wt and increase payload , just saying but like to see it in person
Also, until we get to see the interior of the Luxury and Premum, we don't know what it is actually like. My guess is that it was not complete on the demo at the release. And, by the way, the feature list (semi-brochure) that was posted with your original post has disappeared from the Lexus page. I bet they are making feature changes based on the reactions
Hey Kirk,
Thanks for all of the detailed and timely content!
Can you tell if the pano-roof will open on the GX?
I did not notice any separation in the glass.
It won't open I'm 99% sure. It's the dynamic sky dimmable which should be one big fixed panel
That stinks, I would much rather have the openable sunroof than a fixed sky panel
@@wallbangerzsports Yep! Maybe the Land Cruiser will have it along with a rear vertical window!
@KirkKreifels oh BOOO! A stupid dimming roof?! They have a regular opening panoramic roof on the Tundra and Sequoia. That’s a deal breaker for me because I’m so used to an opening panoramic roof, which I use all the time.
To me, it is the rear wiper. Same size as RAV, which has a significantly small surface area to cover. Pointless to have a wiper this small - looks good but stupid. Fall into the category (for marketing & engineering cost structure) - ticking the have that done that check box on their initial development spec.
I hope this new GX has electronic rear view mirror option to remedy this situation.
This is exactly what I really wanted to tell everyone! They're losing a good old Lexus's refinement for sure. Also upset me that they ditched V8 to get possible(?) 1 mpg better?! I'm glad to pick GX460 last year before they'll be gone.
You get better torque though with the twin turbo.
@@zhamed9587Have you ever heard or deiven the lexus lx450d? The sound of that diesel engine is great. Imagine this lexus gx550 with a v8 diesel with 650nm of torque.
After seeing the new 2024 Tacoma’s interior especially the Trd pro and Trailhunter, Lexus dropped the ball on the GX especially the Overtrail’s interior the Overtrail’s interior just doesn’t feel special to me, it’s fine but it just feels like what you would get in a base RX or something like that
I love the interior. Minimalistic and very tidy
i think they going can't go wild on the interior because luxury image of lexus, but in toyota they can do any wild design suited for their market
I drive a 4Runner TRD Pro with 33 inch tires, so mpg will fit right up my alley 😂
No complaints from me. Love at first sight. Nori Green all the way
Agreed
I dunno if everyone forgets. Permanent 4WD 🤷🏿♂️
I'm sure it'll be better than 17mpg
the MPG is due to the fact this fucking thing is as big as a Land Cruiser 200..it's called a GX but we shouldn't compare it to the GX460, its a different vehicle. it's like going from Ranger to F150, but still calling it a Ranger.
The pano roof not being standard is hugely disappointing to me. I put a deposit down for the Overtrail plus and it really sucks to think a luxury vehicle like this won’t have a pano roof.
Are you on a waiting list? My local Lexus dealers have only established a waiting list for now with deposit, however the ordering window is not open yet.
I'm in San Diego and our dealership here is taking deposits, an employee I spoke to claims they already have 27 deposits down@@TeddysVentures
I sold my 2015 Toyota 4runner limited and got a 2017 grand Cherokee hemi overland then a 2019 durango RT now a 2022 durango RT plus to see that the new Gx is gonna cost alot more for the way I want it. I rather keep my truck and fail the Gx for a few years from now. Thank you for the video and good luck with your new Gx.
This is a great as a 4Runner not as a GX
As a GX they can easily charge $70k , also so far we only see the basic premium and over trail models. The Luxury and Luxury + will be look very nice but I assume most will buy the premium or premium+.
Most modern cars getting 3-4mpg improvements (comparing against similar displacement engines from 5-10 years ago), mostly because of weight savings and aerodynamic improvements. Lexus/toyota clearly prioritized the boxy off-road look, the body-on-frame design, low end power/towing capability, etc--which all work against gas mileage. I care about MPG/convenience too, but you just gotta be aware of the tradeoffs.
100% agree with the way they made the Mark Levinson upgrade unavailable on the standard overtrail. So disappointing...
Excellent points. Final EPA numbers should be better than initially quoted because 17 mpg is dismal. Lexus should have revealed hybrid numbers at launch. Right on again with the interior. What's with the GX and TX having so dark and dour interiors? The offroad-centric Defender offers a much more interesting interior color palette and Lexus does have better color/trim options in the outgoing GX and the rest of its crossover/SUV lineup. Bamboo trim introduced in the last gen GS should really make a comeback.
I'd say the styling on the exterior is a HOMERUN, for sure. However............ it really is missing a lot and I'm glad you are the one who doesn't mince words. The lack of the V8 is a shame but I guess we are just going to have to accept that. The V 6 turbo may be a good engine, but it will require a lot more attention, and oil changes and care if you really want it to last. That's just the nature of turbos. The gas economy or lack there off, has never been a deal breaker for me in any vehicle. I have been using premium fuel in my trucks for years so I'm used to it, the only one that doesn't require it is my Colorado. The no KDSS and all the other features that were standard across the previous GX 460 line, those may all be deal breakers for me. The no third row seat in the Overtrail is just dumb, the fact that the second row does not fold flat is also not good. I would love to see how the seats fold on the other trim levels. At least on the GX 460 the seats are pretty flat. We all just have to wait and see.
I wonder how much of these issues are supply chain issue. Using Lean, I have to imagine Lexus use what they could to get this out as soon as possible
That’s true
I’m glad it has no third row seat. Hell, I would like to be able to take all but the front seats out if I could, but you can find any cause of all the second row seat safety stuff .
#10 17:00 it’s funny you say that because the GMC AT4X when released had the same bumper as the other models, but people were quick to point out that the ZR2 Silverado featured an exclusive bumper for its trim. A year later they updated the bumper for the AT4X.
I can imagine the same thought process here, and a year from now some third party OEMs arrive to the scene with the factory Lexus
Number 11 - headrests do not articulate forward/backward. Just up and down. They are obviously saving those items you mentioned for the later years so it will appear to be upgrades. I say if you can wait 2 or 3 years do so.
What kind of acceleration can we expect from the OverTrail trims with the standard engine? 6-7 seconds or 7-8 seconds zero to 60?
Really appreciate your true feedback, rather than being too nice. Thank you for your honest opinion.
350 hp and 480 torque is good worth 17mpg combined. Plus my 4runner supposed to get like 16-17 and its averaging over 19.5 in mostly city.
I think Nardo Grey is an Audi color, not Porsche.
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Yes! The GX luxury trim got Panoramic moonroof
It doesn't open. More like a glass ceiling
It is a bigger car than the old GX and probably heavy and faster. Switches that need to be touched will driving should always be physical switches as they are much easier to use on the move. I can understand where your coming from, because the car is a bit confusing in terms of it being a Lexus which is about luxury and it having a utilitarian not so luxury feel. I love the boxy look of it except for how the rear fender meets the taillight because looking at it from the side the section between the taillight and rear fender doesn’t blend into the rear fender.
Well, if you were let down by the computer animation then I feel sorry for you. Perhaps you should wait for in-person review than crying out with pointless arguments. There actually has been in-person review that puts most of your "worries" in the trash.
Agreed
#11 -I’m in hot Florida delete of the ceiling vents is a huge bummer-almost a game changer where I’m probably going to buy a couple year old 460 and not fill bad about modifying it with snorkel and such -I couldn’t do that to a new 550
it seems that the back seat does not lay flat ??
I used to have an old GX470, it needed premium all the time. The biggest thing for me is that is it now able to use regular gas with the same output. That would be at least tolerable. I have a 5.7 Tundra now, but at least it takes regular, and I kind of break even with cost compared to my GX with premium
I think it is a very much better vehicle in every way, the conservative style will age well and be more dignified. Competing against the G wagon, Eh, that is a different class of clientele and the Gwagen is not what it used to be. Can't wait for it to destroy the Rovers in comparison.
Maybe Lexus can add those missing features when the model gets updated in the future.
My main complaint is that it appears the only way to be rid of that third row is to buy the Overtrail. I have an LX now, and the third-row seats are useless to me and take up valuable cargo space.
Agreed, 3rd row delete should be an option on other trims. Many don’t want useless 3rd row seats eating up cargo space.
I own a 2023 GX460 Premium, the only thing i don’t like about it is the back door, I totally agree with you on the gas mileage of the new 2024 GX 550, that sucks. Also, the back wiper is exposed as opposed to the GX 2023 which is hidden.
For those that use the vehicle as an Overlander the swing out door is perfect, much better than the 4Runner style hatch. Turbo with crappy mileage is a miss also. On next Gen
It’s shown because the you can lift the window and instead of having a floating handle looking awkward you can pair it with the wiper
I agree 100%.. I’m more impressed with Infinitiqx60 and even the Nissan Pathfinder’s interior is so nicely appointed.
I agree with your points , this should have been branded as a Toyota, this isn’t luxury too me
Prado is coming... probably almost identical to this.
Not sure why you would prefer a plug-in Hybrid over the 350RX type Hybrid. Needs no plug-in generates its own recharging and runs great!
I don't know much about the hybrid systems, but to me its a no brainer to be able to charge your battery when you plug it in instead of needing your truck to be running to charge it?
Great review Kirk. I'm not sure that the pano roof even opens. They call it a sky roof, and the Venza roof that is like that does not open ? I totally agree with the colors...so drab. Thank you for showing the white Luxury model in this video. First I've seen of it, and it does look rather sharp. They really need some brighter colors for both interior and exterior. To pay this much for a GX, the interior should look the part...... it is disappointing. Even the Highlander has stitching.
Right, apparently the roof doesn’t open as I just read Kirk say, which is a huge disappointment. I could forgive the fake wood and rather bland interior (was gonna go with saddle leather) but a roof that doesn’t open is a deal breaker for me. Luxury + was the trim I was interested in.
Do you think the fuel economy average will be better on the non-Overtrail trims? I feel like the 35 inch tires would definitely lower the fuel economy
*33s, Overtrail trims come with 33s
I think they might be more similar then expected, the 2 variables for wheels/tires is weight and rolling resistance
Overtrail has big 33s but smaller 18" wheels -> lighter wheels but bigger tires, likely best ride quaity (due to meatier tires, and eKDSS)
Premium has ~31s with a 20" wheel -> middle of the bunch in both dimensions, perhaps best value here for economy / ride quality
Luxury has ~32s with a 22" wheel -> likely worse of the 3 for economy since big wheel and big tires as well as lesser ride quality due to big wheels
This GX went all off-road and economy interior in the process
True-so the GX now will complete with the new Land Cruiser and 4Runner! This is called cannibalism! Where is the luxury in the new GX?
still buy this over a defender 110, bronco or wrangler and it comes in a 2 row off roader
Most people are going to by the plus model of each trim anyway. And I would expect a luxury vehicle of this era to have voice commands for everything, so as long as there's that, then dedicated buttons wouldn't be needed.
I'm still excited for the new GX but waiting for to see what the LC brings and will make a decision on a new vehicle after the 4Runner shows up.
I freaking love the gx can’t wait to be in debt lol
@Kirk - Ulitmately, the affordability matters, be it GX or Land Cruiser. I hope Toyota/Lexus do not make the same mistakes again. Providing a model which does not satisfy the customer, but costs 2 Kidneys is not acceptable..
This is my 2 cents..
Why would larger LX on same platform average 19mpg? I feel sure this will be revised upward. Agree they need a light interior across the lineup, with more luxury styling on the interior. I thought I would really miss the hard button on the new Lexus interface. But after a few weeks I didn't miss them at all.
JEFF. Interior is extremely luxurious and rugged just like the defender so krik is wrong
In today war with EV......i am disappointed at the mpg. 19-20 combined would be a home run.
After having watched several new videos and with new information available (MSRP and MPG) here are my thoughts: Positives-it looks good and the prices are relatively reasonable, although ADMs the first few years will put buyers off. Negatives-the poor MPG will also put buyers off and the interior screams Toyota, not Lexus, which is probably why the prices are reasonable. Screens are cheaper to produce. Prefer the physical buttons of the new LC. Hybrid may be the way to go but time will tell.
Fun fact: We can get much much MUCH better MPG, we could easily get a V8 that gets 40MPG... the problem is that it would pollute way more, that is thw sad truth....fuel economy keeps going down as the pollution standards get harder to meet... causing us to use more fuel.
Brutal cycle
[Getting 40 mpg from a 5.7-liter LS1 V8 requires more than just low-speed cruising, however. As the video explains, this car has a special “lean burn” engine tune that thins out the air-fuel mixture at highway speeds, specifically between 50 and 75 mph. To gauge highway fuel mileage, the car was filled up at a gas station near a Chicago highway and driven to Wisconsin and back, where it was refilled at the same pump several hours later.
So why don’t automakers do this sort of thing? Running an engine lean can have negative consequences, higher NOx emissions being among them. Lean engines also run hotter, which can take a toll on components over time. Whether the lean-tune established for this Corvette is aggressive enough to drastically affect these parameters is unknown, but we can’t deny that hitting 40 mph in a high-horsepower sports car is indeed impressive.
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There is a Trade off for that ─ Heavier Vehicles (heavier Engines) ─ Like Teslas will worn out the Roads and of course, the Tires faster.
[the pollution standards get harder to meet] About this, there are so many unregistered Vehicles ─ Mostly ICE Diesel in Rural China, Indonesia, India and of course Russia that ─ undocumented, polluted the Air. If like what we are seeing the Trend ─ China is shifting to BEV and PHEV, Hybrids ─ there would be less Vehicles demanded Gasolines then "mpg" is less of an important factor ─ "Supply and Demand" Equation is tipped toward less consumptions overall worldwide. It did not mean that China with BEV (Electrified Vehicles) will reduce CO2 Emissions, The Government Data of China shown, China relies more and more on burning Fossil Fuels for the Electric Powers Generations ─ it was standing at about 80-85% of Fossils mostly Coals used to have generated last year and 2021 ─ where the Droughts that caused Hydro-powered to almost Zero.
And The Scientific Fact: That those Old Electric Generators/Plants are not efficient as the Modern Vehicles ─ Our Cars, mostly 1 foot mufflers above Roads' surfaces ─ CO2/ CO emissions some are absorbed by the Trees along the Roads/Streets. While as those Chimneys of Electric Powers Plants piped up 300 feet above the Ground ─ All leftover Methane or Coals or 🛢🛢burned are up into the Air/ Ozone faster.
As a Consumer, we/I would welcome and like to see more BEV by those chose (can afford to) buy ─ that will assure the Gasolines at the ⛽ ⛽ pumps going down.
Regards,
Hopefully the mpg rating is off from actual. Who knows with how the epa tends to rate say American autos compared to imported...
Does anyone know which model is the roof top platform?
Kirk, what would the price range be for the new US land cruiser? More than the GX the same or less?
Brother I loved your video and everything you spoke out . But let’s come to reality everything you see in USA is different and everyone knows USA can’t bring the best of this cars when made in USA so they keep the competition for the other models to be all equal . I’ve been in Middle East and Asia and you see this cars with the scariest packages and the best options and terms . This is reality .
its beautiful
Agree with it completely Great video Kirk. I think Lexus got confused between GX and TX. 2 average models, none stands out. I am going to stick with 2020
Maybe the red interior will come to an F-sport trim later
I dont like how big the new one is going to be. I think the 460 is the perfect size, tighter turn radius than an RX, fits perfectly in my garage ans parking spaces. The 550 is like 6 inches wider and 5 inches longer
(EDIT) also they put the rear wipers in the middle of the back window, zonk!
Oh yeah ... Should've mentioned the wiper!
All valid points for this new GX! It’s more like a Toyota, not a Lexus GX! Why purchase this over the LX? The new GX is too large-hard to fit into the garage!
At least when you go "ON THROTTLE!", it should be better lol.
@@edmundcharles5278 Well you kinda get majority he LX features here for about 20-30k less money lol
Really the question is why purchase the LX over this if they're identical wheelbase and size
What automotive company makes the perfect vehicle?
Love your site!! Do you know by any chance if a roof rack with rails will be available on the Lexus GX 550 Luxury Plus due to the panoramic sunroof? I know it is avail now on the newer RX. Thanks again
I think the whole point was trying to keep this vehicle below 100k.
The only relevant comment in my opinion was the fuel issue. The rest is petty stuff. This is an extremely dependable, capable and reliable vehicle, that holds a way better resale value than Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi, Land Rover and all the American made counterparts. I know because I have owned all of them.
I'm interested in the Ovetrail. I won't buy a 3-row because I'll never use it and it takes up too much room. As for the panoramic roof, I don't want it. Heck, I'd rather not have a sunroof either.
Gas yea, wireless charging must be standard, ambient lighting must be standard. I hope it’s not the size of a H3 hummer. Zero wood 🪵pano roof should be an option on all models
EKanooRacingTV got the LX600 f sport tuned for around 5 and half sec 0-60. Also there is JB4 for Tundra so I'm interested to see if there's something for the gx
Also, come on Toyota we need flare yellow or a similar yellow on the new Land Cruiser, would buy ASAP
Currently driving the 2011 gx. I'll pass on this gx550. Will upgrade to the 2022 gx