I have a 2010 GX460 that I bought new and have driven for 13.5 years. This is an ultra reliable, indestructable and extraordinaryly comfortablevehicle. If God designed an SUV, this would be it.
I owned the 4Runner for years and now own the GX - solid comparison, very accurate. As I did not want to completely lose the capabilities of the 4Runner I took the plunge and got the Luxury with the off-road package.....
Love the GX. The solid build combined with the KDSS is the secret sauce. I have never driven a 4runner with KDSS option but would be interested to see how it compares. Terrific video.
Thank you! And yes I agree! The 4Runner with KDSS drives very similarly in terms of KDSS controlling the vehicle’s posture really well like it does in the GX.
@@harrywalker4922 Now, if I could only get that with full time 4WD! But, that combo is only available on a Lexus. If only I could get a Lexus with similar bumpers and angles as the 4Runner!
Isn't it kind of odd that they don't include KDSS with the TRD Pro top of the line model? But I hear all the benefits from KDSS It just doesn't make sense to me if it's that great why doesn't the pro have it? The info that's out there on KDSS is not enough to justify spending $2k more. Plus that's just another thing to break down and I heard is even more costly to replace or repair.
@cruzinthruspace No because KDSS is a pain to take out if you want to actually upgrade or change the suspension which many TRD Pro owners do. The TRD Off-road is meant to be a all-in-one model that can do decently well on and off-road so that’s why it has KDSS but the Pro is the “blank slate” enthusiast model.
One of the best comparisons ever done !!!! It was so good i think im gonna be buying both ...2016 4 runner limited for myself and a 2020 gx for the wife
Thank you, and I think you’ll be quite happy with both! My only piece of advice to you is to stretch for the 2022 (or new) GX if possible. The infotainment system in the 2022 is worth the extra cash and I believe blind spot was added in 21 or 22 too. Plus, 2020 GXs are still so expensive on the used market too… you’ll maybe save $10K but new GXs are also being discounted quite a bit in some markets.
Great video! I have driven both and you are spot on! If you are an SR5 owner you have a 3rd option which is much cheaper than trading in for a TRD Pro, TRD Off Road or GX. All you need to do is add an aftermarket suspension, upgrade your tires and aftermarket locker which would put you just about where the Pro or OF are capability wise that should cost no more than $5k for upgrades vs paying $15k-$30k more for a new stock rig. The SR5 is built at the same Tahara factory in Japan on the same assembly line as the TRD's, GX's and land Cruiser Prado's so the build quality is the same. The only thing you would not be able to add on your SR5 is MTS and KDSS but still for the cost savings it would be worth it and you would have a very capable off road rig that will do 99% of what the TRD's and GX's can do offroad. Bonus is when adding an aftermarket suspension you will also notice a big difference in on road ride quality.
You’re absolutely right, someone could definitely do the TRD Off Road! My only problem with the Off Road (and all 4Runners beside TRD Pro and Limited) is that they don’t have the JBL audio, dual zone automatic climate control, and remote connect capability for remote starting via the app or key fob. Those are absolute must haves for me. Not for everyone, I understand, but it’s 2023 and a car that costs as much as the Off Road Premium really should have at least the dual-zone automatic climate control and I wouldn’t want to drive a 4Runner without the JBL. Same with the Mark Levinson the GX. The only thing I want to add in response to what you suggested above is that the money one would spend upgrading to a new car versus aftermarket upgrades to an existing car is the MUCH better resale on TRD Pro versus SR5. I’m able to sell mine for more than I paid for it. An aftermarket-upgraded SR5 just isn’t as desirable on the preowned market.
@joshjamescars Ahh yes I forgot the audio system and connectivity upgrades that come with the higher trims and you are absolutely right about the resale value. The only thing the SR5 has over the other trim levels is a 3rd row seat option. Again great video and you just gained a new subscriber 😃. I look forward to more content from you
@jessemorgan7007 thank you! But actually the Limited also offers the third row option as well!The only ones that don’t are the TRD Off Road and Pro. Not sure about the TRD Sport, it may since it’s more like a Limited. Cheers!
You can’t beat the 4Runner for dogs! The only thing to be aware of is the lift over height of the cargo area is high so smaller dogs and older dogs have trouble getting in and out.
Hey Josh. Hello from Austin too. This is a great comparison of the 2 vehicles. I went through similar dillema earlier this year choosing between 2023 GX vs 4Runner Limited. In the end, I went with the GX basing the decision on more or less the same criteria you outlined. It replaced the previous generation Lexus NX I owned for 5+ years with zero issues. MPG is way worst (the NX get 22-24mpg). But i enjoy the GX so much, i don't care :-). When I need high mpg and nimble car heading to downtown Austin for SXSW, I can always drive my spouse's RX hybrid. Would love to exchange stories what mods you have done to the GX -i have done several-....And keep up creating the great contents~
Hey neighbor! Thanks so much for the kind words, I appreciate it! And you made a great choice there! I’ve never had a car that can make even the worst stretches of I35 smooth as butter LOL! And although my goal is to keep this GX 100% stock, I always love to hear what other folks do to theirs! Cheers!!
“Rides and handles like a 1960s Cadillac limousine!’ I’m at an age and stage to enjoy myself, if I can afford the GX the mi can afford premium gas and so-so mileage!
Hey yo! ATX here as well! I just lost my 4runner TRD Pro in an accident and I am balancing the decision of going back to a 4runner or venture out with the GX! Hopefully I’ll join your club one day.
Hey Josh, new subscriber. Thank you for the absolutely timely review! I often check for new 4Runner/GX review videos and there are pretty few (given how long this current gen has been). That said, I always love your content and your explanations, so this was just perfect. Thank you again-- seriously appreciate it! Hope to see much more related and new content from you!
Thank you so much for the kind words, I’m so glad you’ve enjoyed! And yes, same at being surprised at how little there is comparing the two! And thanks so much for watching and subscribing!
Spot-on evaluation ! Different vehicles for different uses and users. The GX is pure luxury with strong accents of b😂ing practical; tne 4Runner is the best/value family vehicle that lasts forever!
Good comparison. Pretty simple, on-road, GX wins hands down. Off-road, 4Runner takes the cake. One caveat is that GX is plenty capable off-road (it’s a Prado), but the huge chin limits its capability. Also you really don’t need luxury/off-road package on the GX to go off-road, ATrac and GTSS make GX plenty capable already. A simple 2-3 inch lift for a few grand will unleash the full capability of GX which is what I plan to do to my 23 GX in a year or two
Hey Josh... wanted to tell you that your videos helped me to finally pull the trigger on a new '23 GX - got the exact same package you've got as this is really the sweet spot (wish the '23 Blackline pkg was still available). Wasn't enamored with the GX on the initial test drives, but after driving/living with it for a day or two now, absolutely love it. There are some old school Lexus luxury still present on the GX that is not there on the newer Lexus ...case in point is my '18 ES. There are also some modern touches that I wish Lexus would've updated it with - namely the 3 blinks of the turn signal when slight moving the turn signal lever. Other than that, absolutely love this purchase. Won't be in the vehicle market for a long time now :D
Hello! Congratulations! I personally don’t like the black line at all. The interior looks so plain in the all-gray and the wood trim is matte which also makes it look like plastic. But that’s just me. And it’s so funny you mention the ES, we actually just picked up a new V6 Camry since the V6 is going away and they’ve actually taken a lot of the refinement techniques from the ES and applied them to the Camry.
@@joshjamescars Congratulations on the Camry! Sad to see Toyota removing this buttery engine from their vehicles. What about the Prius? I agree with you on the interior of the Blackline pkg. What I liked was the front camera available with it, but so far haven't had the need for it. Lexus/Toyota should at least offer it as an accessory.
@lji2000 Thank you! We actually traded it back for exactly what we paid for it, since they’re in such high demand the dealer will sell it way above MSRP, I’m sure.
I owned a 2017 4Runner and I just recently purchased a 23 GX460 💙the V8 . The GX power and ride quality is amazing! You can’t go wrong owning the 4Runner or the GX 460.
Great review ! I just purchased a 2024 Toyota 4runner . I traded in my 2017 Ford F150 supercrew V8 which I know u will miss but looking forward to many years of trouble free service from my 4runner . 😊
Great comparison. Only point regarding use of one or other to transport big dogs in the back is that the 4R does not have air vents in the back, and the ones in second row are not in ceiling but in lower console. This makes a significant difference to furry friends.
It does but depending on climate, your furry friends may prefer the fresh air you get from the 4Runner. My big one hates the GX and loves having the window down in everything from freezing weather to 100 degree weather.
I have an 18 Runner and considering the GX since they are priced so similar in the secondary market. I want the V8 but still wanted the off road capability of the Tuxedo Prado! Thanks for the video.
We’re on our second GX460. I picked her up from a service appt today, got out of a loaded 2023 RX350 and still felt like it had gotten an upgrade when I got back in my 2020 GX… just love this vehicle. Smooth, luxurious, quiet, competent, high quality… we love her. The old school V8 is just bulletproof and smooth as silk. She ain’t fast but it’s a pleasure to drive her anywhere (we have 2 Corvettes and a couple of motorcycles so we can get our speed fix on if we need to do so). We plan on keeping her til she disintegrates… or we do..😄
Hello! I’ve done the same thing-had a nicely optioned new-gen RX and I was really disappointed with it. Didn’t feel like a Lexus to me. Noisy 4-cylinder, cheap plastics on the inside, low grade “wood” trim, all the things our GXs just don’t have. So… I completely agree the GX is just a totally different product from an era long gone!
@@joshjamescars they loaned me an NX which was absolutely ridiculously cheap compared to the GX… it is in a class by itself… I’ve never drive. The biggest Lexus SUV & I’m afraid to do so, it may be too tempting..😂
Well the bad (or maybe good) news with the new LX600 is that it’s sort of just the new NX and RX just bigger-lesser grade interior materials than before, turbo-6 instead of V8, etc.-so it may not be as tempting as you think. And fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at it, the great LX570 was discontinued back in 2021 and so low mileage, pristine examples for sale are few and far between. So keep your GX460 because I can guarantee you there’s nothing in the Lexus lineup today you’ll want to trade it for!
Both excellent vehicles. Best available, in my opinion. I just picked up an LX600 FSport for my wife. I have a 22 GX. Daughter has a RAV4, all made in Japan. This is peace of mind. The LX is a V6 twin turbo, but I think it will be a winner, long term. I don’t expect to need a new car for a long time.
@@joshjamescars I would do it if I didn’t have my 2022 RX 350 and 2022 ES 350 F Sport. We need a sedan for my husband’s business. We take care of my elderly mom and she couldn’t climb up into to it anymore. Best wishes for your beautiful new GX
Love them both. I own a 2008 Land Cruiser Prado (what the GX is called in the rest of the world), and live in Panama. Many of the roads here have potholes and there is a plethora of back road trails to discover. Many of them lead to beautiful waterfalls that I film with my drone. Mine only has a 2.7 liter 4 cyl. 2TR-FE engine, but it does the job nicely. The only thing I have done is change the suspension (no lift) and installed TRD rims and Falcon Wildpeak AT3 tires. I haven't found anything that it can't get through yet. The point being that you are probably wasting your money on the TRD Pro, unless you just want the badging, or perhaps a little higher resale. But, a SR5 4Runner (or a Limited for that matter) with proper wheels and tires will go to 95% of all the areas a TRD Pro will go. You may have to try a bit harder and use momentum in some cases, but you'll get there. My Prado is like an SR5, except I have full-time 4WD, and I truly enjoy driving it. It is a bit truck-like on the highway, but there are always pros and cons to any vehicle. I do inspire to own a newer Prado or GX (would have to import) in the future or maybe even a Land Cruiser 200 series. As I get older, I find I like a little bit of luxury. Good comparison, I value your honest opinion. Keep up the good work!
Hello! I had no idea the Prado was available with the 2TR engine but that’s another one that will run for a million miles with no issues! Great car. As for the TRD Pro, IMO it’s worth its money for two reasons: 1. It actually has upgraded features like the JBL sound system and automatic climate control plus remote app access which only it and the Limited get. And 2. It’s a very low production model and so it’s something of a collectors item. Meaning they really don’t depreciate and often sell for more than MSRP on the used market. I sold mine late last year after having the GX for a while and actually sold it back to the dealer for $4,600 more than I paid for the car new back in 2019, 4 years earlier. So mine appreciated over the time I owned it which alone makes it worth it in my opinion. And once the V6 goes away, they’ll be even more valuable which is crazy. It’s going to be the next FJ Cruiser, which also sells for as much as they cost new even 7-8 years on now.
good stuff. We have an older LandCruiser, and a 2017 GX. I considered a Forerunner briefly, but didn't like the limited ... view? The really short windows. visibility is what i think i mean. I like a "commanding view" and that's hard to find nowadays. the window line on SUV's is rising, probably for safety. The forerunner has a low roof and high windowline. It felt like driving around in some type of military vehicle (as if i've ever done that lol)
Great analysis- these are two totally different vehicles which excel within their build-engineer dynamics. For the future 4Runner, Toyota should keep the proven, rugged aspirated V6 and not adopt a turbo engine.
Thank you! I’m really interested to see whether Toyota even keeps the 4Runner around since I think a cheaper body on frame 4x4 could possibly tank Land Cruiser sales.
I currently own a '20 4R TRD Off Road Premium and am thinking of going to a GX. I just spend too much time on road to have all the off road gizmos my TRD has. I'd prefer the 3 zone climate, heated and cooled seats etc over the off road gizmos and basic interior of the 4R.
I think you absolutely should upgrade to a GX if that’s the case! And would highly recommend doing so ASAP before the V8 goes away as well. I have a video going live at noon today of my experience thus far with the GX and honestly could not be happier with it. Plus, you’ll be able to trade your 4Runner for a really great sum. I ended up selling my TRD Pro for $50K to a dealer which is more than I paid for it in 2019.
Great comparison, i own a 2023 4runner limited, great car, but im hesitant about the gx being using premium gas. Where i live that would break my bank for gas,
@joshjamescars I get it, part of me I want to get it because it's made in Japan, tested for a long time and proving quality, which is something you can't beat anywhere in the world.
The same thing is true of your 4Runner, though! So I don’t necessarily think you’re missing out on that. I always tell people to go and test drive one even if just for fun because that’s where you’ll see the real differences between a 4Runner and a GX.
I love my 4runner. first suv that we use for family. Since ive got gx 460 my wife stop driving her 4runner. Love the comfort when u drive the lexus. My 4ruuner drives like a truck.
We don't have these amazing cars in most Asian countires where I live unfortunately. But we do have the Toyota Fortuner in place of the 4 runner and its just as tough and capable! The toyota 150 prado is what we have for the gx. It only come in a 2.7 litre petrol engine so it lacks the raw power but its certainly luxuriously. Great video btw!
Hello! Believe it or not I actually prefer the Fortuner in many ways. Toyota kept it way more updated than the 4Runner. Way nicer lighting inside and out and I’ve heard that it rides about the same even though our 4Runner is built on the same platform as the LC 150/Prado (but the 4Runner doesn’t ride nearly as nicely). The latest update that gave it the black roof looks so good. Cheers!
@@joshjamescars yes that's right! The new Fortuner looks sick with that two tone coloured roof. It also handles better than the 4 on road and packs more torque as well so overall it's a great package. I love my 2009 which is actually better off orad than the newer iterations. Thanks for the response and keep the great vids coming!
Great video man! Exactly what i was looking for. Was cross shopping these but I think i might go TRD Offroad premium. You sold me on the practicality. I don’t like how the GX has the raised cargo deck because of that stupid 3rd row and the rol doen rear window 👌🏼
Thank you! And glad I could help! Though I should tell you in fairness that the 4Runner’s load floor is high too, especially if you get the sliding cargo tray (which I really like). It’s not because of the third row but because of the solid rear axle in the back; it takes up a lot more space than an independent rear. But you’re right, the 4Runner is SO practical. In regard to the TRD Off Road, I do think the TRD Pro is worth the upgrade cost for the JBL, dual-zone automatic climate control, and app-based remote start. It is almost inexcusable to me that the TRD Off Road still has single zone manual climate control given its price. Now, since you say you’re cross-shopping, do be sure you fully understand the differences between the full-time 4WD in the GX and part-time 4WD in the TRD Off Road & Pro. It’s not meant to be used on road and only works up to 50mph.
@@joshjamescars thanks for the info! I didn’t realize the Trd pro had that many more features. I thought it was primarily the appearance and the suspension which I will be replacing anyways. I originally was looking for a vehicle for my wife, but we ended up getting her an atlas so now this will be for me. I was leaning towards the Lexus because of the full-time four-wheel-drive, i’m in Massachusetts and we get a lot of snow and I wouldn’t want her to leave it in four wheel high doing 65 miles on the highway by accident.
@mcwendel8066 Yes! That’s why I bought mine, and 100% worth it for the upgrade. That said… since you say you’re in Massachusetts I might actually take back what I said before and tell you to go with a 4Runner Limited or GX because the TRD Pro is a beast in the snow but again is always only rear wheel drive on the highway (or above 50mph). The TRD Pro and Limited share the same “premium” equipment like the dual-zone auto climate, JBL, and remote connect.
@@joshjamescars oh good to know! Could always swap the bumper out of the limited, and make it look like the Trd pro. Yeah, I was kind of wondering what the difference was with the four-wheel-drive systems? I noticed the Trd off-road and Pro have the lever to switch into four-wheel-drive, and the other trims seem to have the knob.
@mcwendel8066 In short, the 4Runner Limited & GX’s Full-time 4WD is basically the same as Subarus (which I see all over up there). Always-on 4WD with a central limited slip differential. Designed primarily for stability and traction for the best on-road use. Any other 4Runner is going to have the part-time 4WD which is NOT designed for on-road use, and can be damaged if used on-road because there’s no limited slip diff to allow for the wheels to spin at different speeds. So the best way to think about any non-limited 4Runner is as a rear wheel drive vehicle that can get you un-stuck in tricky situations at low-speeds on road (plus do brilliantly off-road, of course). Also, the knob vs lever are just different methods of controlling the transfer case. The knob is electronic, the lever is a true old school manual shifter.
Excellent comparison. Speaking of upgrades: I just downgraded from the TRD Sport to the SR-5 Premium and here is why. First, I bought the Sport because it was all they at the time. But, I agree with you about the Sport: what’s the point? It is sort of the worst of all worlds: it’s not as off-road capable as the Oo-Road or the Pro and it lacks the refinement for on-road driving. So, for me, the SR-5 Premium is on upgrade of the on-road driving experience but still retains the same 4-wheel capabilities for modest trail driving and winter bad road driving that I occasionally need. I certainly don’t do extreme off-road driving or rock crawling. It’s sort of a no-brained for me. If I win the lottery, I will get the Lexus.
Great perspective, thanks for sharing!! I like the look of the TRD Sport but the configuration underneath is odd to me. IMO it should also have the full-time 4WD system from the Limited and the GX. And I’m surprised to hear that it lacks on road refinement because I thought that’s what the whole point of it was (I haven’t driven one personally). Anyway, congrats on the SR5 premium!!
Thanks for the Video👍😎 The 4Runner Limited can be Supercharged and outfitted with proper wheels and tires for off-roading = Cost of a New GX premium!! Not a route that most consumers would take; however, food for thought!! Where I live, the nearest Lexus dealer is 2hrs+ drive and the Toyota dealer is 15min drive - my decision may be made for me by default.
Hello!! Yes, it definitely can be but that adds additional maintenance and puts more stress on the engine and transmission too. That actually now would push it likely past a GX Premium like mine. Also, check with your dealer but you can take a GX to Toyota for servicing if you really decided the Lexus is going to work better for you. They can order any parts that you need as the catalogue is the same and the 1UR was in the Tundra. And, if your GX ever did need specialty care, you could make that drive. I say this because I have family that lives in Hawaii but not on the main island of Oahu (they live on the Big Island) and they don’t have a Lexus dealer but many people on the island own Lexuses and take them to the Toyota dealer for service.
I would but you have to be really careful and make sure that the car is mechanically sound since an 08 is going to be 15 years old. Be sure to get it inspected by an independent Toyota mechanic who specializes in Toyota trucks.
For the price point comparison it is true if you were buying new(In 2023) but if you are looking at used ones they are pretty close in price. All in all I think if your driving on paved roads 90% of the times GX would be a better option but if your an absolute off roader then definately 4runner. I guess you cant go wrong with either of the choices.
Yes but used pricing is always going to vary because there are so many factors at play (age, condition, mileage, color, options, etc.) so the only way to really compare price on a level playing field is to use new pricing of the same model year.
Great comparison. I'm glad to hear that the GX is taller and more comfortable on the highway. I always figured that was the case but now I know for sure. I would have gotten the GX anyway because it still has a CD player. Why have a Mark Levinson system if you're just listening to the radio, right?
SPOT ON. I actually mentioned that in my standalone 6-month in owner review that I use CDs in my GX all the time. You wouldn’t believe the amount of flack that got but I stand by that!
The Tahara plant intentionally produces the GX with better quality than the 4runner even though it’s the same plant. Also every single GX is road tested at the factory before shipment, where as only 1 of every 5 4Runners are road tested.
On paper (engineering spec) possibly. But perception from an owner? Both are great, IMO. My 4Runner hasn’t had any squeaks or rattles and everything feels as good and tight as it did on day 1. The only real difference I see is in the clear coat over the caviar which is better to your point on Lexus vehicles. But the 4Runner is also made much, much better than most North American Lexuses I’ve seen as of late.
I love both. There are things I absolutely will not do with my GX because of how nice it is… it would hurt a lot more to scratch it up than the 4Runner’s interior. 😅
That’s interesting! Would love to know what would make you hesitate to upgrade? As for value, there’s no real way to call that one way or another and they will fluctuate with the market. The 4Runner TRD Pro holds its value like nothing else (mine has appreciated and I can sell it for more than I paid for it) but the SR5 isn’t the same way. Likewise, the GX holds its value well too but it depends how it’s outfitted.
Don't know why you would switch an sr5 for the trd pro. Save all that money on the trd premium and outfit the sr5 with all kinds of gadgets like metal bumpers and air powered locking differentials. You'll have a much more capable vehicle without overpaying for the trim level
Everyone values things differently. I personally could never buy a 4Runner and have the low rent cloth seats, manual climate control, and no moonroof, etc. Plus, 4Runner TRD Pros hold their value far better than an SR5, especially a heavily modified SR5. Granted, I am not a serious, every weekend off-roader either. So for me, being able to buy the car in 2019 for $46,500, drive it and use it for 4 years, and then sell it in 2023 for $50K solidified that I made the right decision back then.
The 4Runner has the same heavy feel (which is characteristic of most body on frame SUVs) and these engines aren’t built for speed but longevity and low-end torque for towing and off-roading. If you don’t like that, you need to look at a unibody crossover like an Acura MDX Type-S or Mazda CX90.
Hi Josh, enjoyed the video, a new subscriber, I have a TRD OF w/o KDSS no choice during COVID inventory, it was take what was available. If I heard correctly you said the GX is all around bigger and has more interior space. When I was buying I was considering both vehicles and actually liked the GX but hated the dated center info center and didn't want the wait the unknown date for refresh. However, if you look at the Toyota and Lexus websites for dimensions the 4R is wider 75.8 vs 74.2, the GX is longer 192.1 vs 190.5. The 4R has slightly more head,/shoulder room, and the GX has more rear leg room 34.1 vs 4R 32.9. Rear cargo space 4R second row down is significant at 89.7 vs GX with both 2nd & 3rd down at 64.7. Correct me If I am assessing the numbers wrong. Otherwise on point with all the other comparisons. Of course, my German shepherd appreciates the slide-down rear window and would object to GX. Often I consider trading in the 4R for the GX being the last year. Like you said both are excellent and legendary serving different roles. GX without a doubt better for longer trip drives but 4R with stock street tires is pretty smooth. The best thing is like you own both..lol. Also, is the side step on your 4R stock or after-market? I don't like the black and silver that came with my 4R and considering replacing it with similar to yours.
Hello! A few people have pointed out the 4Runner’s dimensions being wider but the only way I can imagine that being the case with is if I think they’re listing minimum clearance width which for the GX would be with the power mirrors folded. Also not sure how they got the interior measurements because the 4Runner was cramped for me but the GX is almost too big (like it’s almost too tall floor to ceiling inside for my 5’6” frame to sit comfortably and reach the pedals), so… maybe it’s some kind of magic trick Toyota is playing but I personally can’t see a way having the two side by side and going from one to the other that the GX is possibly smaller than the 4Runner. As for rear cargo space in the 4Runner, keep in mind that all GXs have a third row seat but not all 4Runners do, so I’d guess the measurement difference is due to that. But don’t take my word for it, I’d recommend going to a dealer and parking your 4Runner side by side with a GX on the lot and going back and forth between the two. See if you agree with what I feel doing it with my two. The new infotainment in the GX is also terrific so if you’re wanting to upgrade, now is the time! Also, the GX offers a smoother ride not just because of the tires but also because of the V8, the extra 6th gear on the freeway, and full-time 4WD (so it puts down power to the pavement more equally, versus the 4Runner is always pushing itself around from the rear). As for the running boards, mine are OEM Toyota! I don’t have the part number off hand but these are off of the Trail model from when the 5th gen first launched. Google that and you’ll see my running boards. I love them and highly recommend them!
KDSS is cool but if you don't have it no biggie. Just another part to replace. And it's harder to fix. Whether you have KDSS or not you have a 4Runner and it's capable as hell.
I’m planning to purchase a 2014-2020 gx460. Update the Navi system to wireless apple CarPlay & add the updated grill on the front. Just waiting for the car market to collapse so i can buy one for a great deal.
They’re actually a pretty good deal right now (what you want is in the mid-30s to mid-40s), given that a lot of people are focused on the GX550 since it’s the big shiny new thing.
Fully support! I think anyone who wants to modify should absolutely go with the 4Runner! You have to do too much to the GX to make it decent as an off-roader IMO.
Go and watch my intro video to the GX. It’s like a bank vault. That comment wasn’t a knock on the S-Class, A8, and 7-series, but that they’re far more dynamic and much sportier. As of late I feel like they’ve all gotten firm, taut, and quiet; where the LS and GX are old school soft, cushy, and quiet. Not for everyone, but I love it.
Haha! I mean both are great and if you love the 4Runner, you should keep it! Also, at this point if you want a GX460, you have to buy used so that will also need to factor into your decision.
I found a one owner 2015 GX460 213k miles because the maintenance was perfect but aesthetically it wasn’t perfect so I wouldn’t be apprehensive of modding or getting trail marks.
Awesome comparison. :) I totally agree with all that you said. (currently own both). Say, I noticed on your GX driving video footage that your steering wheel looks likes it's off-centered to the left a tiny bit. The only reason I noticed, is because mine does the same. (less than a few weeks old). It drives straight as an arrow, but it's like it follows the slight curve (arch) of the road. Have you noticed the same, or no? It's not enough for me to take it in, just something I noticed. Other than that, the GX is absolutely perfect!!
Interesting! I hadn’t noticed but I’m going to go and look now that you mentioned it! Honestly I’m so used to both the GX and 4Runner being a handful to drive due to their hydraulic power assisted steering racks that I don’t think I’d notice if it were to start pulling in one direction or another LOL!!
It’s a known, and accepted, flaw with GXes ( just like the infamous lean ) .. As long as it drives straight, don’t go down the perfectly centered steering rabbit hole!
Great comparison. Wifey is considering both the GX and Runner. Thing is we have a 2021 tundra limited and I can’t imagine putting gas in 2 V8’s haha, especially premium, ESPECIALLY in the Bay Area CA
Haha! Yeah that would get expensive real quick! Though, it depends on how much she intends to drive it. I would definitely test drive both and then decide. Part of me thinks having two of the last Toyota V8s would really be something special.
Great video, I live in the DFW area and I'm gonna have to upgrade my current beater pretty soon. I was thinking about buying an IS350 (had one in addition to my beater) again but I think I'm done with sedans. I've been going back and forth between limited trim 4runner and GX prem plus. There's about a 10k diff on the price from what im looking for. I like the fact that the 4runner uses the 87 oct but id prob only do about 10k miles a year so I don't think an extra .50 cents a gallon is gonna break me too bad lol. I'm not an offroad person which I'd love to have a BMW X5 but I've wasted soooo much money on flipping cars that I need something that's gonna be bullet proof and last awhile. I'm in search of something reliable, smooth riding, sits up higher (SUV) like. One thing I think is a big PRO in the GX if equipped is the Mark Levinson sound system.. The JBL in the 4runners just don't impress me that much..
I think you should definitely go for the GX if you can swing it, it’s head and shoulders better than the 4Runner Limited. I love the 4Runner but the GX is in a different ballgame. Now, I do want to add that depending on what you value and what you like, the GX is an OLD vehicle so you’re not going to get modern technology anywhere (adaptive cruise only above 32mph, passive not active lane keep/centering, passive blind spot, no steering assist at all), so to your point about wasting money on flipping cars, you have to be honest with yourself about whether the GX is going to actually make you happy for 5-10 years. Keep in mind it’s about 10 years out of date NOW so in 10 years you’ll have 20 year old technology.
@@joshjamescarsyeah thanks for insight. I'm aware of the technology. I like the fact that it uses a proven tech to make it reliable. All these new features scare me when it comes time to fix or replace outta warranty especially with digital dash. Lol
Thank you! We’re actually not getting the TX, I have a video on why not (we got the GX instead of it). When I did this video we hadn’t intended to get rid of either but after getting our Prius, we ended up selling the 4Runner because the dealer offered us $50K for it.
The Limited is great (it’s X-REAS suspension) but it’s still bogged down by the 5-speed auto and I think the Limited is too close in price to a base GX460 where you get real luxury, a better engine, and much better transmission.
Thank you for the video, I am deciding a new SR5 premium vs 2021 gx460 which is 32000 miles and $46900. I have two kids and want a SUV that can fit 7 person. Can you give me some advice for this? For the majority of time, I will just use it on Road. I don’t know cars, but considering the 4Runner is near the last, I think it will reserve more value for the next 5 years. But Gx is easier to drive.
Hi there! There are a few things to think about. First, do you need 4WD for on-road driving (for winter driving)? If so, get the GX as the 4Runner only has part time 4WD, meaning it’s not meant for on-road driving and only works below 50mph. Second, both the 4Runner and GX’s third rows are for occasional use for young kids only. It’s TINY and when it’s up, you have no cargo space behind the third row. Finally, both can be hard for younger kids and older adults to get into because they’re body on frame SUVs and so the step in height is really high, especially when you’re trying to get into the third row. You might want to look at a unibody crossover like a Highlander (or Grand Highlander) or something like that as they’re FAR more practical for carrying 7 people around.
@@joshjamescars Thank you for the prompt reply and the great suggestions! Yes, I think I do need a 4WD car in Colorado. I just use the third row occasionally. Looking for a reliable grocery car to pick up the kids and drive me to school, looks like 50 mph is enough for my daily on road usage.
@yanyanxu6339 It’s more complicated than just 50mph. You don’t have a limited slip differential in the 4Runner which means your wheels are always spinning at exactly the same speed and you can damage the car using 4WD on road where your wheels need to be spinning at different speeds. So I’d write the 4Runner off entirely (unless you buy a limited which has full-time 4WD) and go with the GX. Though, honestly I think you should consider a crossover like a Highlander or Pilot.
In conclusion, if you own any of these cars there is simply no better value and overall reliability. Period. Peace of mind is most important when it comes to a car and these give you that in every single way.
Josh do you feel any fear of missing out for not getting the new GX 550? The reason I got the 23 GX 460 and did not wait because it was proven and proven car and there’s more aftermarket support because I’m making it an Overland build But man does GX 550 Trail looks sweet!
Hi there! Not one bit, LOL! If you haven’t watched my 6 likes and 6 dislikes about the GX video go check that out and skip to the 6th dislike. It’s all about the GX550. I personally don’t like anything about the new GX. Don’t like the engine, the interior looks cheap and dull, and I think it’s WAY over priced. That said, I think you were the one to whom I said that I wouldn’t chose the current GX460 as the base for an overland build. I love the GX460 because it’s an amazing roadtrip machine and that’s the duty that the Land Cruiser Prado has always been built for as its primary focus. Long haul, smooth and refined on-road comfort. The new one definitely will be better off road than the 460. I’ve heard the GX550 has been delayed multiple times and because there are a lot of people in line waiting, I’ve been told the earliest you could get one now is about this time next year. And depending on budget (if $85K for an overtrail plus is too expensive) you might also look at the new Land Cruiser. Since neither engine is going to be as reliable as the V8, I personally would go with the hybrid max.
Thank you, very informative! When considering off road(and combined on road) capabilities, there is one more thing(perhaps already commented on?): KDSS PLUS full time 4wd. AFAIK, that combo is only available on the Lexus. Though the bumper sucks(for off road) especially on the newer Lexus, that KDSS improves suspension travel off road while also improving cornering on road. I can get KDSS in one specific model of 4Runner TRD Off Road(NOT Pro). But, I can not get full time 4WD on any model except the Limited, which does not allow KDSS. If I want both, it has to be a Lexus.
Yes! I didn’t get into the specific details of capability hardware since trims of both vary so much. The thing to be aware of, which I’m sure you already know, is that KDSS is a waste of money for those who want to modify their suspension setup (as many 4Runner owners do) as it renders it useless, and it can also be a rather expensive proposition if/when the hydraulics need to be repaired. I believe the eKDSS is supposed to be a bit more reliable in this respect.
Mine does not and I bought the Premium Plus specially because it didn’t have the air ride and adaptive suspension. Wasn’t a fan of it, the ride with it has always artificial to me.
@@joshjamescars Thanks for the info, I appreciate it! I should have updated my comment--I went and watched another one of your videos where you mention why you spec'd your GX without it--thanks! Great channel!
Not for me but I don’t generally leave them in areas where auto theft is common and mine parks in a locked garage at home at night. If you do, or if you’re often in dodgy areas, you might not want to buy a GX in general.
@@joshjamescars well it's a 2WD limited with 230k mi and all new suspension, all mechanical work done, maintenance, etc. No rust. Shows it's age in a couple areas mainly the paint on the roof is gone but otherwise is very clean. Someone offered me $20k for it. What would you do?
Josh, just watched this great video you put together. This is great comparison and one that will hopefully help me make my decision on upgrading to the GX. I currently have a 21’ 4Runner TRD ORP that I purchased new and only has 14k miles. I like you am not really into off roading and I am more into the luxury aspect at my age now. So do you think it’s really worth an upgrade for a certified preowned GX or should I go new? At the very least, I want a 22’ GX for the Apple CarPlay. Thanks
Hello, and thank you! You’ll love the GX, and I feel you on wanting luxury over the utility/capability. So I would definitely pull the trigger on a GX, and I would highly recommend Premium Plus or better. And DEFINITELY go new. Much like the 4Runner the price difference between CPO and new isn’t enough to make it worth going pre owned. Maybe $5K, if that, and I’d much rather buy a brand new, final year GX. It’s so worth buying new to keep for 10-20 years. You didn’t mention whether you’re trading or adding, so I’ll just say that if you do sell the 4Runner for the GX, it’ll be worth a mint (my TRD Pro which also has 14K miles always apprises at $50K) so I think that also helps toward buying new vs CPO. Cheers!
@@joshjamescars Thank you for the quick reply. Yes, unfortunately I would be either selling the 4Runner or trading it in. I think you’re right, definitely going new would be the better choice. Thanks for the feedback! I subscribed as well.
@BigdogLarry Got ya. I would recommend getting it appraised by a Toyota dealer as they’ll be able to sell it as a CPO vehicle and thus might offer you more (Lexus can’t, obviously). I have an order in on a new Prius to use as a daily driver and can’t justify having the 4Runner, GX, Prius, and our Rav Prime, so we may be selling ours too.
@@joshjamescars Oh, ok. Thank you for the advice, seems like a good idea. I’m sure the 4Runner will be in more demand once the 6th gen comes out. Maybe I should wait? But then again, if I want to get the GX, I’ll have to move asap on it. Thanks again Josh!
@BigdogLarry If you can afford to keep both for a little bit (have a little bit of overlap) I do think resale on ours will go up, but like you say, the GX is going away before we’ll know anything at all about the next 4Runner so… I would say move on the GX soon!
I drive a 2021 4Runner TRD ORP (33,000 miles) and wife drives a 2019 GX 460 (20,000 miles). I prefer the rugged 4Runner and the wife prefers the GX. Bought them new and keeping both of them. Go figure!
Any way you look at it, the 4Runner is a rugged body-on-frame truck; as is the GX. The GX is more civilized overall, but still a truck. The 4Runner Limited is the only model that can be smoothed out a bit. However, it is still a pretty rough riding truck. If you are an off-roader (which I suspect most Limited or GX owners are not), the 4Runners excel. If I were into off-roading, I would buy an older 4Runner or GX and use it hard. I personally wouldn't want to take a 4Runner Limited or GX out on a trail and risk extensive damage to it. Plus, I don't want to look l'm heading to a trail all the time. Sometimes I want to dress up a bit and go to dinner / show.
Lexus website lists the width of a GX as 74.2” Toyota lists the width of the 4Runner as 75.8” Perhaps the GX has side view mirrors which extend further than 4Runner?
I’m about to trade in my 4Runner for a GX. Presently I have just inches clearing the garage door opening with the side view mirrors in place. Thank you for alerting me for the need going forward to fold the side views on the GX. 👍🏻 I had previously assumed they were roughly the same width.
I own both too. 2017 4Runner SR5 Premium, and 2016 GX460. Like the simplicity of the base 4Runner, bur the ride in the GX is on another level.
I have a 2010 GX460 that I bought new and have driven for 13.5 years. This is an ultra reliable, indestructable and extraordinaryly comfortablevehicle. If God designed an SUV, this would be it.
You did an excellent job comparing/contrasting both vehicles. I’m a huge fan of your channel. I look forward to all your new vids. 😊
You are so kind! Thank you for such a nice comment, I so appreciate it!
You seem super passionate talking about these trucks. Great taste on both.
Thank you!
I owned the 4Runner for years and now own the GX - solid comparison, very accurate. As I did not want to completely lose the capabilities of the 4Runner I took the plunge and got the Luxury with the off-road package.....
Awesome!! Hope it gives you decades of great driving!
Love the GX. The solid build combined with the KDSS is the secret sauce. I have never driven a 4runner with KDSS option but would be interested to see how it compares. Terrific video.
Thank you! And yes I agree! The 4Runner with KDSS drives very similarly in terms of KDSS controlling the vehicle’s posture really well like it does in the GX.
I have the TRD Off Road Premium w/KDSS. That was the deciding factor for me. I wanted a smoother ride. on road. With the capabilities
@@harrywalker4922 Now, if I could only get that with full time 4WD! But, that combo is only available on a Lexus. If only I could get a Lexus with similar bumpers and angles as the 4Runner!
Isn't it kind of odd that they don't include KDSS with the TRD Pro top of the line model?
But I hear all the benefits from KDSS It just doesn't make sense to me if it's that great why doesn't the pro have it?
The info that's out there on KDSS is not enough to justify spending $2k more.
Plus that's just another thing to break down and I heard is even more costly to replace or repair.
@cruzinthruspace No because KDSS is a pain to take out if you want to actually upgrade or change the suspension which many TRD Pro owners do. The TRD Off-road is meant to be a all-in-one model that can do decently well on and off-road so that’s why it has KDSS but the Pro is the “blank slate” enthusiast model.
*Excellent objective comparison Josh. Great points about the overlooked body differences* ❤
Thank you!
Hi Josh yes i did watch your videos on how you had your GX detailed. All your videos are excellent. And thank you for responding well appreciated.
One of the best comparisons ever done !!!! It was so good i think im gonna be buying both ...2016 4 runner limited for myself and a 2020 gx for the wife
Thank you, and I think you’ll be quite happy with both! My only piece of advice to you is to stretch for the 2022 (or new) GX if possible. The infotainment system in the 2022 is worth the extra cash and I believe blind spot was added in 21 or 22 too. Plus, 2020 GXs are still so expensive on the used market too… you’ll maybe save $10K but new GXs are also being discounted quite a bit in some markets.
Thank you for the very detailed review. This took a long time to put together.🇨🇦
Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed!
Great video! I have driven both and you are spot on! If you are an SR5 owner you have a 3rd option which is much cheaper than trading in for a TRD Pro, TRD Off Road or GX. All you need to do is add an aftermarket suspension, upgrade your tires and aftermarket locker which would put you just about where the Pro or OF are capability wise that should cost no more than $5k for upgrades vs paying $15k-$30k more for a new stock rig. The SR5 is built at the same Tahara factory in Japan on the same assembly line as the TRD's, GX's and land Cruiser Prado's so the build quality is the same. The only thing you would not be able to add on your SR5 is MTS and KDSS but still for the cost savings it would be worth it and you would have a very capable off road rig that will do 99% of what the TRD's and GX's can do offroad. Bonus is when adding an aftermarket suspension you will also notice a big difference in on road ride quality.
You’re absolutely right, someone could definitely do the TRD Off Road! My only problem with the Off Road (and all 4Runners beside TRD Pro and Limited) is that they don’t have the JBL audio, dual zone automatic climate control, and remote connect capability for remote starting via the app or key fob. Those are absolute must haves for me. Not for everyone, I understand, but it’s 2023 and a car that costs as much as the Off Road Premium really should have at least the dual-zone automatic climate control and I wouldn’t want to drive a 4Runner without the JBL. Same with the Mark Levinson the GX. The only thing I want to add in response to what you suggested above is that the money one would spend upgrading to a new car versus aftermarket upgrades to an existing car is the MUCH better resale on TRD Pro versus SR5. I’m able to sell mine for more than I paid for it. An aftermarket-upgraded SR5 just isn’t as desirable on the preowned market.
@joshjamescars Ahh yes I forgot the audio system and connectivity upgrades that come with the higher trims and you are absolutely right about the resale value. The only thing the SR5 has over the other trim levels is a 3rd row seat option. Again great video and you just gained a new subscriber 😃. I look forward to more content from you
@jessemorgan7007 thank you! But actually the Limited also offers the third row option as well!The only ones that don’t are the TRD Off Road and Pro. Not sure about the TRD Sport, it may since it’s more like a Limited. Cheers!
Great video, appreciate your time in making this.
really enjoyed this comparison 👍
Thank you!
Love the review. Was looking at used GXs & 4Runners and you sold it for me with the back window for the pups!
Very helpful. I have two dogs, one of them LOVES sticking their head out of the window. That might be the deciding factor for me. Thanks!
You can’t beat the 4Runner for dogs! The only thing to be aware of is the lift over height of the cargo area is high so smaller dogs and older dogs have trouble getting in and out.
I don't let dogs ride in cargo area with tailgate window open due to safety concerns
@johnycyr181 your dogs should always be properly secured in the vehicle with a harness anyway, and once they are, you shouldn’t have any problems.
Hey Josh. Hello from Austin too. This is a great comparison of the 2 vehicles. I went through similar dillema earlier this year choosing between 2023 GX vs 4Runner Limited. In the end, I went with the GX basing the decision on more or less the same criteria you outlined. It replaced the previous generation Lexus NX I owned for 5+ years with zero issues. MPG is way worst (the NX get 22-24mpg). But i enjoy the GX so much, i don't care :-). When I need high mpg and nimble car heading to downtown Austin for SXSW, I can always drive my spouse's RX hybrid. Would love to exchange stories what mods you have done to the GX -i have done several-....And keep up creating the great contents~
Hey neighbor! Thanks so much for the kind words, I appreciate it! And you made a great choice there! I’ve never had a car that can make even the worst stretches of I35 smooth as butter LOL! And although my goal is to keep this GX 100% stock, I always love to hear what other folks do to theirs! Cheers!!
“Rides and handles like a 1960s Cadillac limousine!’ I’m at an age and stage to enjoy myself, if I can afford the GX the mi can afford premium gas and so-so mileage!
Hey yo! ATX here as well! I just lost my 4runner TRD Pro in an accident and I am balancing the decision of going back to a 4runner or venture out with the GX! Hopefully I’ll join your club one day.
Hey Josh, new subscriber. Thank you for the absolutely timely review! I often check for new 4Runner/GX review videos and there are pretty few (given how long this current gen has been). That said, I always love your content and your explanations, so this was just perfect.
Thank you again-- seriously appreciate it! Hope to see much more related and new content from you!
Thank you so much for the kind words, I’m so glad you’ve enjoyed! And yes, same at being surprised at how little there is comparing the two! And thanks so much for watching and subscribing!
Good video. You’re absolutely right on both vehicles. I own a 21 4 runner off road venture. Love my truck.
Thank you! And that’s a great 4Runner.
Spot-on evaluation ! Different vehicles for different uses and users. The GX is pure luxury with strong accents of b😂ing practical; tne 4Runner is the best/value family vehicle that lasts forever!
Yes!! Completely agreed with this!!
Good comparison. Pretty simple, on-road, GX wins hands down. Off-road, 4Runner takes the cake. One caveat is that GX is plenty capable off-road (it’s a Prado), but the huge chin limits its capability. Also you really don’t need luxury/off-road package on the GX to go off-road, ATrac and GTSS make GX plenty capable already. A simple 2-3 inch lift for a few grand will unleash the full capability of GX which is what I plan to do to my 23 GX in a year or two
Hey Josh... wanted to tell you that your videos helped me to finally pull the trigger on a new '23 GX - got the exact same package you've got as this is really the sweet spot (wish the '23 Blackline pkg was still available). Wasn't enamored with the GX on the initial test drives, but after driving/living with it for a day or two now, absolutely love it. There are some old school Lexus luxury still present on the GX that is not there on the newer Lexus ...case in point is my '18 ES. There are also some modern touches that I wish Lexus would've updated it with - namely the 3 blinks of the turn signal when slight moving the turn signal lever. Other than that, absolutely love this purchase. Won't be in the vehicle market for a long time now :D
Hello! Congratulations! I personally don’t like the black line at all. The interior looks so plain in the all-gray and the wood trim is matte which also makes it look like plastic. But that’s just me. And it’s so funny you mention the ES, we actually just picked up a new V6 Camry since the V6 is going away and they’ve actually taken a lot of the refinement techniques from the ES and applied them to the Camry.
@@joshjamescars Congratulations on the Camry! Sad to see Toyota removing this buttery engine from their vehicles. What about the Prius?
I agree with you on the interior of the Blackline pkg. What I liked was the front camera available with it, but so far haven't had the need for it. Lexus/Toyota should at least offer it as an accessory.
@lji2000 Thank you! We actually traded it back for exactly what we paid for it, since they’re in such high demand the dealer will sell it way above MSRP, I’m sure.
@@joshjamescarsCool. Enjoy the new ride!
Josh, consider yourself subscribed!! Very good info on two automobiles I love.
Thank you! I’m so glad you enjoyed!
Thank you for such good comparison!
Hi from Katy, Tx!
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching and hello from Austin!
I totally agree with each concise point you made.
Thank you!
Excellent Video. Great comparison as I am trying to decide between the two.
Loved the video. Thanks for all the hard work you put into it!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Exceptional, high-quality, very articulate video!! Kudos!!
Much appreciated! Thank you for watching!
Dude! Awesome video! Can’t wait to add a GX460 to my fleet in the future
Thank you! It’s a great vehicle and you absolutely should!!
I owned a 2017 4Runner and I just recently purchased a 23 GX460 💙the V8 . The GX power and ride quality is amazing! You can’t go wrong owning the 4Runner or the GX 460.
Yes! Could not agree more. I’ve also just driven the new GX and what a turd by comparison.
Got both. 2023 GX and 2024 4Runner. Best non-decision ever!
Great review ! I just purchased a 2024 Toyota 4runner . I traded in my 2017 Ford F150 supercrew V8 which I know u will miss but looking forward to many years of trouble free service from my 4runner . 😊
You can’t go wrong with the 4Runner for reliability and longevity!
I both, well actually 2 GX's and 1 5th gen 4runner...I love them all!!!!
Wow, that’s great! Keep them for as long as they’ll keep running!
I really like your presentation style. Thanks for this!
Thank you for watching!
You missed out one important comparison and that the is the towing capability. GX 460 can tow 6500lbs and I think the 4runner can only do 5000lbs.
Great comparison. Only point regarding use of one or other to transport big dogs in the back is that the 4R does not have air vents in the back, and the ones in second row are not in ceiling but in lower console. This makes a significant difference to furry friends.
It does but depending on climate, your furry friends may prefer the fresh air you get from the 4Runner. My big one hates the GX and loves having the window down in everything from freezing weather to 100 degree weather.
I have an 18 Runner and considering the GX since they are priced so similar in the secondary market. I want the V8 but still wanted the off road capability of the Tuxedo Prado! Thanks for the video.
You really can’t go wrong with a GX! Especially since the 460 is the last of the old Lexus quality.
We’re on our second GX460. I picked her up from a service appt today, got out of a loaded 2023 RX350 and still felt like it had gotten an upgrade when I got back in my 2020 GX… just love this vehicle. Smooth, luxurious, quiet, competent, high quality… we love her. The old school V8 is just bulletproof and smooth as silk. She ain’t fast but it’s a pleasure to drive her anywhere (we have 2 Corvettes and a couple of motorcycles so we can get our speed fix on if we need to do so). We plan on keeping her til she disintegrates… or we do..😄
Hello! I’ve done the same thing-had a nicely optioned new-gen RX and I was really disappointed with it. Didn’t feel like a Lexus to me. Noisy 4-cylinder, cheap plastics on the inside, low grade “wood” trim, all the things our GXs just don’t have. So… I completely agree the GX is just a totally different product from an era long gone!
@@joshjamescars they loaned me an NX which was absolutely ridiculously cheap compared to the GX… it is in a class by itself… I’ve never drive. The biggest Lexus SUV & I’m afraid to do so, it may be too tempting..😂
Well the bad (or maybe good) news with the new LX600 is that it’s sort of just the new NX and RX just bigger-lesser grade interior materials than before, turbo-6 instead of V8, etc.-so it may not be as tempting as you think. And fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at it, the great LX570 was discontinued back in 2021 and so low mileage, pristine examples for sale are few and far between. So keep your GX460 because I can guarantee you there’s nothing in the Lexus lineup today you’ll want to trade it for!
Both excellent vehicles. Best available, in my opinion. I just picked up an LX600 FSport for my wife. I have a 22 GX. Daughter has a RAV4, all made in Japan. This is peace of mind. The LX is a V6 twin turbo, but I think it will be a winner, long term. I don’t expect to need a new car for a long time.
Great choices!!! The LX600 does have a recall on it for the transmission right now so be sure to have that taken care of if you haven’t already.
I miss my 2015 GX 460. It held its value above my expectations
They definitely do! Not too late to get another ;)
@@joshjamescars I would do it if I didn’t have my 2022 RX 350 and 2022 ES 350 F Sport. We need a sedan for my husband’s business. We take care of my elderly mom and she couldn’t climb up into to it anymore. Best wishes for your beautiful new GX
Oh well you’ve got two absolutely amazing cars there! Don’t let them go LOL!!! And thank you so much!!
Current GX owner that's owned three 4Runners here. I now wonder if there will ever be a vehicle that I 'feel comfortable' investing in.
Nice video.
I plan to keep my 22 TRD ORP and take it to 1 million miles. 50k plus at the moment and counting
I love it! Just another 950,000 to go! ;)
Love them both. I own a 2008 Land Cruiser Prado (what the GX is called in the rest of the world), and live in Panama. Many of the roads here have potholes and there is a plethora of back road trails to discover. Many of them lead to beautiful waterfalls that I film with my drone. Mine only has a 2.7 liter 4 cyl. 2TR-FE engine, but it does the job nicely. The only thing I have done is change the suspension (no lift) and installed TRD rims and Falcon Wildpeak AT3 tires. I haven't found anything that it can't get through yet. The point being that you are probably wasting your money on the TRD Pro, unless you just want the badging, or perhaps a little higher resale. But, a SR5 4Runner (or a Limited for that matter) with proper wheels and tires will go to 95% of all the areas a TRD Pro will go. You may have to try a bit harder and use momentum in some cases, but you'll get there. My Prado is like an SR5, except I have full-time 4WD, and I truly enjoy driving it. It is a bit truck-like on the highway, but there are always pros and cons to any vehicle. I do inspire to own a newer Prado or GX (would have to import) in the future or maybe even a Land Cruiser 200 series. As I get older, I find I like a little bit of luxury. Good comparison, I value your honest opinion. Keep up the good work!
Hello! I had no idea the Prado was available with the 2TR engine but that’s another one that will run for a million miles with no issues! Great car. As for the TRD Pro, IMO it’s worth its money for two reasons: 1. It actually has upgraded features like the JBL sound system and automatic climate control plus remote app access which only it and the Limited get. And 2. It’s a very low production model and so it’s something of a collectors item. Meaning they really don’t depreciate and often sell for more than MSRP on the used market. I sold mine late last year after having the GX for a while and actually sold it back to the dealer for $4,600 more than I paid for the car new back in 2019, 4 years earlier. So mine appreciated over the time I owned it which alone makes it worth it in my opinion. And once the V6 goes away, they’ll be even more valuable which is crazy. It’s going to be the next FJ Cruiser, which also sells for as much as they cost new even 7-8 years on now.
Great review!
Thank you!
good stuff. We have an older LandCruiser, and a 2017 GX. I considered a Forerunner briefly, but didn't like the limited ... view? The really short windows. visibility is what i think i mean. I like a "commanding view" and that's hard to find nowadays. the window line on SUV's is rising, probably for safety. The forerunner has a low roof and high windowline. It felt like driving around in some type of military vehicle (as if i've ever done that lol)
Yes! Totally agreed and you’re spot on with that being a big difference. The floor to ceiling height as a whole is much shorter.
Great analysis- these are two totally different vehicles which excel within their build-engineer dynamics.
For the future 4Runner, Toyota should keep the proven, rugged aspirated V6 and not adopt a turbo engine.
Thank you! I’m really interested to see whether Toyota even keeps the 4Runner around since I think a cheaper body on frame 4x4 could possibly tank Land Cruiser sales.
Really good review!
I currently own a '20 4R TRD Off Road Premium and am thinking of going to a GX. I just spend too much time on road to have all the off road gizmos my TRD has. I'd prefer the 3 zone climate, heated and cooled seats etc over the off road gizmos and basic interior of the 4R.
I think you absolutely should upgrade to a GX if that’s the case! And would highly recommend doing so ASAP before the V8 goes away as well. I have a video going live at noon today of my experience thus far with the GX and honestly could not be happier with it. Plus, you’ll be able to trade your 4Runner for a really great sum. I ended up selling my TRD Pro for $50K to a dealer which is more than I paid for it in 2019.
Great comparison, i own a 2023 4runner limited, great car, but im hesitant about the gx being using premium gas. Where i live that would break my bank for gas,
It can definitely be a lot! But for me, the V8 is worth paying the premium penalty for.
@joshjamescars I get it, part of me I want to get it because it's made in Japan, tested for a long time and proving quality, which is something you can't beat anywhere in the world.
The same thing is true of your 4Runner, though! So I don’t necessarily think you’re missing out on that. I always tell people to go and test drive one even if just for fun because that’s where you’ll see the real differences between a 4Runner and a GX.
I love my 4runner. first suv that we use for family. Since ive got gx 460 my wife stop driving her 4runner. Love the comfort when u drive the lexus. My 4ruuner drives like a truck.
We don't have these amazing cars in most Asian countires where I live unfortunately. But we do have the Toyota Fortuner in place of the 4 runner and its just as tough and capable! The toyota 150 prado is what we have for the gx. It only come in a 2.7 litre petrol engine so it lacks the raw power but its certainly luxuriously. Great video btw!
Hello! Believe it or not I actually prefer the Fortuner in many ways. Toyota kept it way more updated than the 4Runner. Way nicer lighting inside and out and I’ve heard that it rides about the same even though our 4Runner is built on the same platform as the LC 150/Prado (but the 4Runner doesn’t ride nearly as nicely). The latest update that gave it the black roof looks so good. Cheers!
@@joshjamescars yes that's right! The new Fortuner looks sick with that two tone coloured roof. It also handles better than the 4 on road and packs more torque as well so overall it's a great package. I love my 2009 which is actually better off orad than the newer iterations. Thanks for the response and keep the great vids coming!
Excellent Review
Thank you!
We have a 23gx it’s quiet.
Great video man. Thanks so much
Thank you!
I owned a Limited Night Shade. I traded it for my GX (Premium/Sport) - Never looked back.
Awesome!! Yes, I think the GX is definitely the best upgrade from the Limited Nightshade!
I just google the dimensions of the two. The 460 is about 74 inches wide. 4 Runner 76 inches wide.
The body style makes a difference. 4Runner has wider fenders and track but the cabin is narrower inside.
You live in Round Rock?! I noticed that intersection of Sunrise and University immediately.
Haha I do! And thank goodness that whole stretch has finally gotten somewhat sorted out!!
great compare!!!
Thank you!
Great video man! Exactly what i was looking for. Was cross shopping these but I think i might go TRD Offroad premium. You sold me on the practicality. I don’t like how the GX has the raised cargo deck because of that stupid 3rd row and the rol doen rear window 👌🏼
Thank you! And glad I could help! Though I should tell you in fairness that the 4Runner’s load floor is high too, especially if you get the sliding cargo tray (which I really like). It’s not because of the third row but because of the solid rear axle in the back; it takes up a lot more space than an independent rear. But you’re right, the 4Runner is SO practical.
In regard to the TRD Off Road, I do think the TRD Pro is worth the upgrade cost for the JBL, dual-zone automatic climate control, and app-based remote start. It is almost inexcusable to me that the TRD Off Road still has single zone manual climate control given its price.
Now, since you say you’re cross-shopping, do be sure you fully understand the differences between the full-time 4WD in the GX and part-time 4WD in the TRD Off Road & Pro. It’s not meant to be used on road and only works up to 50mph.
@@joshjamescars thanks for the info! I didn’t realize the Trd pro had that many more features. I thought it was primarily the appearance and the suspension which I will be replacing anyways. I originally was looking for a vehicle for my wife, but we ended up getting her an atlas so now this will be for me. I was leaning towards the Lexus because of the full-time four-wheel-drive, i’m in Massachusetts and we get a lot of snow and I wouldn’t want her to leave it in four wheel high doing 65 miles on the highway by accident.
@mcwendel8066 Yes! That’s why I bought mine, and 100% worth it for the upgrade. That said… since you say you’re in Massachusetts I might actually take back what I said before and tell you to go with a 4Runner Limited or GX because the TRD Pro is a beast in the snow but again is always only rear wheel drive on the highway (or above 50mph). The TRD Pro and Limited share the same “premium” equipment like the dual-zone auto climate, JBL, and remote connect.
@@joshjamescars oh good to know! Could always swap the bumper out of the limited, and make it look like the Trd pro.
Yeah, I was kind of wondering what the difference was with the four-wheel-drive systems? I noticed the Trd off-road and Pro have the lever to switch into four-wheel-drive, and the other trims seem to have the knob.
@mcwendel8066 In short, the 4Runner Limited & GX’s Full-time 4WD is basically the same as Subarus (which I see all over up there). Always-on 4WD with a central limited slip differential. Designed primarily for stability and traction for the best on-road use. Any other 4Runner is going to have the part-time 4WD which is NOT designed for on-road use, and can be damaged if used on-road because there’s no limited slip diff to allow for the wheels to spin at different speeds. So the best way to think about any non-limited 4Runner is as a rear wheel drive vehicle that can get you un-stuck in tricky situations at low-speeds on road (plus do brilliantly off-road, of course). Also, the knob vs lever are just different methods of controlling the transfer case. The knob is electronic, the lever is a true old school manual shifter.
Excellent comparison. Speaking of upgrades: I just downgraded from the TRD Sport to the SR-5 Premium and here is why. First, I bought the Sport because it was all they at the time. But, I agree with you about the Sport: what’s the point? It is sort of the worst of all worlds: it’s not as off-road capable as the Oo-Road or the Pro and it lacks the refinement for on-road driving. So, for me, the SR-5 Premium is on upgrade of the on-road driving experience but still retains the same 4-wheel capabilities for modest trail driving and winter bad road driving that I occasionally need. I certainly don’t do extreme off-road driving or rock crawling. It’s sort of a no-brained for me. If I win the lottery, I will get the Lexus.
Great perspective, thanks for sharing!! I like the look of the TRD Sport but the configuration underneath is odd to me. IMO it should also have the full-time 4WD system from the Limited and the GX. And I’m surprised to hear that it lacks on road refinement because I thought that’s what the whole point of it was (I haven’t driven one personally). Anyway, congrats on the SR5 premium!!
2023 gx460 all the way
Well done mate
Thank you!
Very well done 👍🏼
Thank you!
GX for the Mark Levinson and noise deadening alone. It’s like a 4runner in a tuxedo at symphony hall.
Yes! Spot on description there!
Thanks 😊
Thanks for the Video👍😎 The 4Runner Limited can be Supercharged and outfitted with proper wheels and tires for off-roading = Cost of a New GX premium!! Not a route that most consumers would take; however, food for thought!! Where I live, the nearest Lexus dealer is 2hrs+ drive and the Toyota dealer is 15min drive - my decision may be made for me by default.
Hello!! Yes, it definitely can be but that adds additional maintenance and puts more stress on the engine and transmission too. That actually now would push it likely past a GX Premium like mine. Also, check with your dealer but you can take a GX to Toyota for servicing if you really decided the Lexus is going to work better for you. They can order any parts that you need as the catalogue is the same and the 1UR was in the Tundra. And, if your GX ever did need specialty care, you could make that drive. I say this because I have family that lives in Hawaii but not on the main island of Oahu (they live on the Big Island) and they don’t have a Lexus dealer but many people on the island own Lexuses and take them to the Toyota dealer for service.
@@joshjamescars Thank You - great information!
Any Toyota dealer can, and most likely will, service your GX ! You don’t need a Lexus dealership for it at all..
I have a Gx 470 , 4th gen v8 4Runner & a 5th gen 4Runner. I totally agree that each vehicle has a time and place, but all 3 are capable and reliable.
That V8 4Runner is really something special! Hold onto that one for a long time!
@@joshjamescarsI have a 97 limited. Would you replace the 97 with an 08 v8 4x4 t4r
I would but you have to be really careful and make sure that the car is mechanically sound since an 08 is going to be 15 years old. Be sure to get it inspected by an independent Toyota mechanic who specializes in Toyota trucks.
SR5 4wd is a deadly low budget contender to the gx as well
So detail love it
Thank you!
very very helpful thanks
You are very welcome, glad it was helpful!
For the price point comparison it is true if you were buying new(In 2023) but if you are looking at used ones they are pretty close in price. All in all I think if your driving on paved roads 90% of the times GX would be a better option but if your an absolute off roader then definately 4runner. I guess you cant go wrong with either of the choices.
Yes but used pricing is always going to vary because there are so many factors at play (age, condition, mileage, color, options, etc.) so the only way to really compare price on a level playing field is to use new pricing of the same model year.
I liked my 4 runner, but love my GX460
Great comparison. I'm glad to hear that the GX is taller and more comfortable on the highway. I always figured that was the case but now I know for sure. I would have gotten the GX anyway because it still has a CD player. Why have a Mark Levinson system if you're just listening to the radio, right?
SPOT ON. I actually mentioned that in my standalone 6-month in owner review that I use CDs in my GX all the time. You wouldn’t believe the amount of flack that got but I stand by that!
Thanks for that. I imagine we're the last two people on the planet that feel that way but it's enough to make me buy a GX over anything else.
The Tahara plant intentionally produces the GX with better quality than the 4runner even though it’s the same plant. Also every single GX is road tested at the factory before shipment, where as only 1 of every 5 4Runners are road tested.
On paper (engineering spec) possibly. But perception from an owner? Both are great, IMO. My 4Runner hasn’t had any squeaks or rattles and everything feels as good and tight as it did on day 1. The only real difference I see is in the clear coat over the caviar which is better to your point on Lexus vehicles. But the 4Runner is also made much, much better than most North American Lexuses I’ve seen as of late.
Evidence of build quality difference? What is your empirical data to support this claim? 🥸
Team TRD Pro, but that GX interior is so much nicer
I love both. There are things I absolutely will not do with my GX because of how nice it is… it would hurt a lot more to scratch it up than the 4Runner’s interior. 😅
If I have 4RUNNER (specially Limited trim) I would hesitate to buy GX.
I would add one more category to this comparison.
Which holds value better?…
That’s interesting! Would love to know what would make you hesitate to upgrade? As for value, there’s no real way to call that one way or another and they will fluctuate with the market. The 4Runner TRD Pro holds its value like nothing else (mine has appreciated and I can sell it for more than I paid for it) but the SR5 isn’t the same way. Likewise, the GX holds its value well too but it depends how it’s outfitted.
Don't know why you would switch an sr5 for the trd pro. Save all that money on the trd premium and outfit the sr5 with all kinds of gadgets like metal bumpers and air powered locking differentials. You'll have a much more capable vehicle without overpaying for the trim level
Everyone values things differently. I personally could never buy a 4Runner and have the low rent cloth seats, manual climate control, and no moonroof, etc. Plus, 4Runner TRD Pros hold their value far better than an SR5, especially a heavily modified SR5. Granted, I am not a serious, every weekend off-roader either. So for me, being able to buy the car in 2019 for $46,500, drive it and use it for 4 years, and then sell it in 2023 for $50K solidified that I made the right decision back then.
I have 2023 rav4 adventure. 2008 4runner Sr5 140k miles and 2016 Lexus Gx 460 50k miles. My dream car would be Tacoma next.
How does 4 runner drive compare to GX460? I had a 460 and it drives heavy. Turning, acceleration feels like a tortoise.
The 4Runner has the same heavy feel (which is characteristic of most body on frame SUVs) and these engines aren’t built for speed but longevity and low-end torque for towing and off-roading. If you don’t like that, you need to look at a unibody crossover like an Acura MDX Type-S or Mazda CX90.
Hi Josh, enjoyed the video, a new subscriber, I have a TRD OF w/o KDSS no choice during COVID inventory, it was take what was available. If I heard correctly you said the GX is all around bigger and has more interior space. When I was buying I was considering both vehicles and actually liked the GX but hated the dated center info center and didn't want the wait the unknown date for refresh. However, if you look at the Toyota and Lexus websites for dimensions the 4R is wider 75.8 vs 74.2, the GX is longer 192.1 vs 190.5. The 4R has slightly more head,/shoulder room, and the GX has more rear leg room 34.1 vs 4R 32.9. Rear cargo space 4R second row down is significant at 89.7 vs GX with both 2nd & 3rd down at 64.7. Correct me If I am assessing the numbers wrong. Otherwise on point with all the other comparisons. Of course, my German shepherd appreciates the slide-down rear window and would object to GX. Often I consider trading in the 4R for the GX being the last year. Like you said both are excellent and legendary serving different roles. GX without a doubt better for longer trip drives but 4R with stock street tires is pretty smooth. The best thing is like you own both..lol.
Also, is the side step on your 4R stock or after-market? I don't like the black and silver that came with my 4R and considering replacing it with similar to yours.
Hello! A few people have pointed out the 4Runner’s dimensions being wider but the only way I can imagine that being the case with is if I think they’re listing minimum clearance width which for the GX would be with the power mirrors folded. Also not sure how they got the interior measurements because the 4Runner was cramped for me but the GX is almost too big (like it’s almost too tall floor to ceiling inside for my 5’6” frame to sit comfortably and reach the pedals), so… maybe it’s some kind of magic trick Toyota is playing but I personally can’t see a way having the two side by side and going from one to the other that the GX is possibly smaller than the 4Runner. As for rear cargo space in the 4Runner, keep in mind that all GXs have a third row seat but not all 4Runners do, so I’d guess the measurement difference is due to that.
But don’t take my word for it, I’d recommend going to a dealer and parking your 4Runner side by side with a GX on the lot and going back and forth between the two. See if you agree with what I feel doing it with my two. The new infotainment in the GX is also terrific so if you’re wanting to upgrade, now is the time!
Also, the GX offers a smoother ride not just because of the tires but also because of the V8, the extra 6th gear on the freeway, and full-time 4WD (so it puts down power to the pavement more equally, versus the 4Runner is always pushing itself around from the rear).
As for the running boards, mine are OEM Toyota! I don’t have the part number off hand but these are off of the Trail model from when the 5th gen first launched. Google that and you’ll see my running boards. I love them and highly recommend them!
KDSS is cool but if you don't have it no biggie.
Just another part to replace.
And it's harder to fix.
Whether you have KDSS or not you have a 4Runner and it's capable as hell.
I’m planning to purchase a 2014-2020 gx460. Update the Navi system to wireless apple CarPlay & add the updated grill on the front. Just waiting for the car market to collapse so i can buy one for a great deal.
They’re actually a pretty good deal right now (what you want is in the mid-30s to mid-40s), given that a lot of people are focused on the GX550 since it’s the big shiny new thing.
I might have to go with the 4Runner just because of the aftermarket support
Fully support! I think anyone who wants to modify should absolutely go with the 4Runner! You have to do too much to the GX to make it decent as an off-roader IMO.
Is GX really smoother than benz-s class? How about noise isolation aka sound proofing? Thanks.
Go and watch my intro video to the GX. It’s like a bank vault. That comment wasn’t a knock on the S-Class, A8, and 7-series, but that they’re far more dynamic and much sportier. As of late I feel like they’ve all gotten firm, taut, and quiet; where the LS and GX are old school soft, cushy, and quiet. Not for everyone, but I love it.
I have a 2019 4-Runner Limited, Nightshade and have told myself not to upgrade to the the Lexus. Damn, you.
Haha! I mean both are great and if you love the 4Runner, you should keep it! Also, at this point if you want a GX460, you have to buy used so that will also need to factor into your decision.
I found a one owner 2015 GX460 213k miles because the maintenance was perfect but aesthetically it wasn’t perfect so I wouldn’t be apprehensive of modding or getting trail marks.
That’s great! I’m sure you got it for a great price, too!
Awesome comparison. :) I totally agree with all that you said. (currently own both).
Say, I noticed on your GX driving video footage that your steering wheel looks likes it's off-centered to the left a tiny bit. The only reason I noticed, is because mine does the same. (less than a few weeks old). It drives straight as an arrow, but it's like it follows the slight curve (arch) of the road. Have you noticed the same, or no? It's not enough for me to take it in, just something I noticed. Other than that, the GX is absolutely perfect!!
Interesting! I hadn’t noticed but I’m going to go and look now that you mentioned it! Honestly I’m so used to both the GX and 4Runner being a handful to drive due to their hydraulic power assisted steering racks that I don’t think I’d notice if it were to start pulling in one direction or another LOL!!
It’s a known, and accepted, flaw with GXes ( just like the infamous lean ) .. As long as it drives straight, don’t go down the perfectly centered steering rabbit hole!
@@M5_Sonu Thanks for commenting! As a guy who who would've gone down that rabbit hole, and never came out, I appreciate knowing this. 😎👍
Great comparison. Wifey is considering both the GX and Runner. Thing is we have a 2021 tundra limited and I can’t imagine putting gas in 2 V8’s haha, especially premium, ESPECIALLY in the Bay Area CA
Haha! Yeah that would get expensive real quick! Though, it depends on how much she intends to drive it. I would definitely test drive both and then decide. Part of me thinks having two of the last Toyota V8s would really be something special.
@@joshjamescars agreed
I dont think its that expensive. My husband drives a TRD tundra v8, and I drive a '23 GX v8.
Great video, I live in the DFW area and I'm gonna have to upgrade my current beater pretty soon. I was thinking about buying an IS350 (had one in addition to my beater) again but I think I'm done with sedans. I've been going back and forth between limited trim 4runner and GX prem plus. There's about a 10k diff on the price from what im looking for.
I like the fact that the 4runner uses the 87 oct but id prob only do about 10k miles a year so I don't think an extra .50 cents a gallon is gonna break me too bad lol. I'm not an offroad person which I'd love to have a BMW X5 but I've wasted soooo much money on flipping cars that I need something that's gonna be bullet proof and last awhile. I'm in search of something reliable, smooth riding, sits up higher (SUV) like. One thing I think is a big PRO in the GX if equipped is the Mark Levinson sound system.. The JBL in the 4runners just don't impress me that much..
I think you should definitely go for the GX if you can swing it, it’s head and shoulders better than the 4Runner Limited. I love the 4Runner but the GX is in a different ballgame. Now, I do want to add that depending on what you value and what you like, the GX is an OLD vehicle so you’re not going to get modern technology anywhere (adaptive cruise only above 32mph, passive not active lane keep/centering, passive blind spot, no steering assist at all), so to your point about wasting money on flipping cars, you have to be honest with yourself about whether the GX is going to actually make you happy for 5-10 years. Keep in mind it’s about 10 years out of date NOW so in 10 years you’ll have 20 year old technology.
@@joshjamescarsyeah thanks for insight. I'm aware of the technology. I like the fact that it uses a proven tech to make it reliable. All these new features scare me when it comes time to fix or replace outta warranty especially with digital dash. Lol
Excellent comparison. Which one are you letting go, once you get the top notch TX?
Thank you! We’re actually not getting the TX, I have a video on why not (we got the GX instead of it). When I did this video we hadn’t intended to get rid of either but after getting our Prius, we ended up selling the 4Runner because the dealer offered us $50K for it.
What about the 4 runner limited edition x ray suspension, center diff, all wheel drive, a baby land Land Cruiser. luxury .
The Limited is great (it’s X-REAS suspension) but it’s still bogged down by the 5-speed auto and I think the Limited is too close in price to a base GX460 where you get real luxury, a better engine, and much better transmission.
nice job!
Thank you for the video, I am deciding a new SR5 premium vs 2021 gx460 which is 32000 miles and $46900. I have two kids and want a SUV that can fit 7 person. Can you give me some advice for this? For the majority of time, I will just use it on Road. I don’t know cars, but considering the 4Runner is near the last, I think it will reserve more value for the next 5 years. But Gx is easier to drive.
Hi there! There are a few things to think about. First, do you need 4WD for on-road driving (for winter driving)? If so, get the GX as the 4Runner only has part time 4WD, meaning it’s not meant for on-road driving and only works below 50mph. Second, both the 4Runner and GX’s third rows are for occasional use for young kids only. It’s TINY and when it’s up, you have no cargo space behind the third row. Finally, both can be hard for younger kids and older adults to get into because they’re body on frame SUVs and so the step in height is really high, especially when you’re trying to get into the third row. You might want to look at a unibody crossover like a Highlander (or Grand Highlander) or something like that as they’re FAR more practical for carrying 7 people around.
@@joshjamescars Thank you for the prompt reply and the great suggestions! Yes, I think I do need a 4WD car in Colorado. I just use the third row occasionally. Looking for a reliable grocery car to pick up the kids and drive me to school, looks like 50 mph is enough for my daily on road usage.
@yanyanxu6339 It’s more complicated than just 50mph. You don’t have a limited slip differential in the 4Runner which means your wheels are always spinning at exactly the same speed and you can damage the car using 4WD on road where your wheels need to be spinning at different speeds. So I’d write the 4Runner off entirely (unless you buy a limited which has full-time 4WD) and go with the GX. Though, honestly I think you should consider a crossover like a Highlander or Pilot.
In conclusion, if you own any of these cars there is simply no better value and overall reliability. Period. Peace of mind is most important when it comes to a car and these give you that in every single way.
Could not agree more!!
Josh do you feel any fear of missing out for not getting the new GX 550?
The reason I got the 23 GX 460 and did not wait because it was proven and proven car and there’s more aftermarket support because I’m making it an Overland build
But man does GX 550 Trail looks sweet!
Hi there! Not one bit, LOL! If you haven’t watched my 6 likes and 6 dislikes about the GX video go check that out and skip to the 6th dislike. It’s all about the GX550. I personally don’t like anything about the new GX. Don’t like the engine, the interior looks cheap and dull, and I think it’s WAY over priced.
That said, I think you were the one to whom I said that I wouldn’t chose the current GX460 as the base for an overland build. I love the GX460 because it’s an amazing roadtrip machine and that’s the duty that the Land Cruiser Prado has always been built for as its primary focus. Long haul, smooth and refined on-road comfort. The new one definitely will be better off road than the 460.
I’ve heard the GX550 has been delayed multiple times and because there are a lot of people in line waiting, I’ve been told the earliest you could get one now is about this time next year. And depending on budget (if $85K for an overtrail plus is too expensive) you might also look at the new Land Cruiser. Since neither engine is going to be as reliable as the V8, I personally would go with the hybrid max.
GX for me
Thank you, very informative! When considering off road(and combined on road) capabilities, there is one more thing(perhaps already commented on?): KDSS PLUS full time 4wd. AFAIK, that combo is only available on the Lexus. Though the bumper sucks(for off road) especially on the newer Lexus, that KDSS improves suspension travel off road while also improving cornering on road. I can get KDSS in one specific model of 4Runner TRD Off Road(NOT Pro). But, I can not get full time 4WD on any model except the Limited, which does not allow KDSS. If I want both, it has to be a Lexus.
Yes! I didn’t get into the specific details of capability hardware since trims of both vary so much. The thing to be aware of, which I’m sure you already know, is that KDSS is a waste of money for those who want to modify their suspension setup (as many 4Runner owners do) as it renders it useless, and it can also be a rather expensive proposition if/when the hydraulics need to be repaired. I believe the eKDSS is supposed to be a bit more reliable in this respect.
Does your GX have the adjustable air ride in the back or are you on steel springs all the way around? Great review, BTW!!
Mine does not and I bought the Premium Plus specially because it didn’t have the air ride and adaptive suspension. Wasn’t a fan of it, the ride with it has always artificial to me.
@@joshjamescars Thanks for the info, I appreciate it! I should have updated my comment--I went and watched another one of your videos where you mention why you spec'd your GX without it--thanks! Great channel!
Thank your video. I have one question for you. Do you think 2022 or 2023 GX460 need installing anti theft device on it? Thank you.
Not for me but I don’t generally leave them in areas where auto theft is common and mine parks in a locked garage at home at night. If you do, or if you’re often in dodgy areas, you might not want to buy a GX in general.
I have a V8 4Runner and a new GX...really sad to sell the 4Runner this month
Oh man I would just keep both, the V8 4Runner was a real gem.
@@joshjamescars well it's a 2WD limited with 230k mi and all new suspension, all mechanical work done, maintenance, etc. No rust. Shows it's age in a couple areas mainly the paint on the roof is gone but otherwise is very clean. Someone offered me $20k for it. What would you do?
Damn! 4Runner values are insane. I ended up selling my TRD Pro for $50. Couldn’t pass that up either.
@@joshjamescars Damn! Haha I know you meant $50k but that's insane resale even on a TRD pro. You did great!
Josh, just watched this great video you put together. This is great comparison and one that will hopefully help me make my decision on upgrading to the GX. I currently have a 21’ 4Runner TRD ORP that I purchased new and only has 14k miles. I like you am not really into off roading and I am more into the luxury aspect at my age now. So do you think it’s really worth an upgrade for a certified preowned GX or should I go new? At the very least, I want a 22’ GX for the Apple CarPlay. Thanks
Hello, and thank you! You’ll love the GX, and I feel you on wanting luxury over the utility/capability. So I would definitely pull the trigger on a GX, and I would highly recommend Premium Plus or better. And DEFINITELY go new. Much like the 4Runner the price difference between CPO and new isn’t enough to make it worth going pre owned. Maybe $5K, if that, and I’d much rather buy a brand new, final year GX. It’s so worth buying new to keep for 10-20 years. You didn’t mention whether you’re trading or adding, so I’ll just say that if you do sell the 4Runner for the GX, it’ll be worth a mint (my TRD Pro which also has 14K miles always apprises at $50K) so I think that also helps toward buying new vs CPO. Cheers!
@@joshjamescars Thank you for the quick reply. Yes, unfortunately I would be either selling the 4Runner or trading it in. I think you’re right, definitely going new would be the better choice. Thanks for the feedback! I subscribed as well.
@BigdogLarry Got ya. I would recommend getting it appraised by a Toyota dealer as they’ll be able to sell it as a CPO vehicle and thus might offer you more (Lexus can’t, obviously). I have an order in on a new Prius to use as a daily driver and can’t justify having the 4Runner, GX, Prius, and our Rav Prime, so we may be selling ours too.
@@joshjamescars Oh, ok. Thank you for the advice, seems like a good idea. I’m sure the 4Runner will be in more demand once the 6th gen comes out. Maybe I should wait? But then again, if I want to get the GX, I’ll have to move asap on it. Thanks again Josh!
@BigdogLarry If you can afford to keep both for a little bit (have a little bit of overlap) I do think resale on ours will go up, but like you say, the GX is going away before we’ll know anything at all about the next 4Runner so… I would say move on the GX soon!
I drive a 2021 4Runner TRD ORP (33,000 miles) and wife drives a 2019 GX 460 (20,000 miles). I prefer the rugged 4Runner and the wife prefers the GX. Bought them new and keeping both of them. Go figure!
Terrific! And yes definitely keep them both for as long as you can!
Any way you look at it, the 4Runner is a rugged body-on-frame truck; as is the GX. The GX is more civilized overall, but still a truck.
The 4Runner Limited is the only model that can be smoothed out a bit. However, it is still a pretty rough riding truck.
If you are an off-roader (which I suspect most Limited or GX owners are not), the 4Runners excel.
If I were into off-roading, I would buy an older 4Runner or GX and use it hard.
I personally wouldn't want to take a 4Runner Limited or GX out on a trail and risk extensive damage to it.
Plus, I don't want to look l'm heading to a trail all the time. Sometimes I want to dress up a bit and go to dinner / show.
Yes! I completely agree with this. Personally I love your last point that the GX is a far more elegant and urban alternative.
Lexus website lists the width of a GX as 74.2”
Toyota lists the width of the 4Runner as 75.8”
Perhaps the GX has side view mirrors which extend further than 4Runner?
It could also be because the GX’s mirrors fold and so the minimum body clearance is narrower.
I’m about to trade in my 4Runner for a GX.
Presently I have just inches clearing the garage door opening with the side view mirrors in place.
Thank you for alerting me for the need going forward to fold the side views on the GX. 👍🏻
I had previously assumed they were roughly the same width.
Oh yeah if you can clear the door with your 4Runner mirrors open, you’ll be fine in the GX with them folded. :) and congrats on the new GX!!!