The prize for most children isn't even the weirdest thing seen here in Ontario, Canada. When a couple, Mrs and Mr Dionne, had quintuplets, back in the 30s, the State took all five little girls from their parents _for the children's own good,_ built a little theme park around them, and the public was allowed to look in on them for a fee, like in a zoo. They all survived into adulthood, but all with varying degrees of psychological damage.
And the excuse for taking the babies away from their parents was to protect them from exactly this sort of exploitation. The father had signed a contract to display them at the Chicago Century of Progress exposition and was unable to revoke it later, so politicians used this as justification to push through an act specifically separating these children from their parents and making them wards of the crown.
Psychological Damage and Ontario, Canada I think are intrinsic... This is just one method through which the individuals received their share/due of the trauma that is living in this crap-hole of a society!
I think they said those were stipulations in his will, so they were actual rules that had to be followed for the money! She said he was a prankster but what that guy did was genius!
This competition first struck me as funny. Then I remembered the maternal/neonatal survival rates of the time and realised what the fallout of this competition must have been...
@@manfrombritain6816 Actually, no. Medically the risk gets higher with each subsequent birth. I think perhaps you're thinking only of the average length of labor time? The entire process of carrying a baby to term and then giving birth with both mother and baby surviving becomes more risky every time. Each one takes a permanent toll on the mother's body. Historically childbirth was so dangerous that victorian women would choose their funeral clothes before birth. Please, look it up :)
So I've always hated the term "mansplaining", but after seeing a man incorrectly try to explain how pregnancy works to woman...I now understand why the word exists 🤦♂️
@@lizastarpeter4295 AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I know right? It's a little extra amusing/concerning to me as I needed an emergency c-sec to save my preemie breach baby from dying in birth, and to help breathe/feed for a week, and the complications of the surgery nearly killed ME. Tell me again that my next one would be easier or safer?
As someone who lives in a country that has similar problems with dwindling population as Hungary I think that the comment about them being racist with this children policy is a bit ignorant. Yes, Orban is quite xenophobic to immigrants, but you have to keep in mind that even if Hungary was wiling to accept them, very few of them would actualy stay there. For example, it is estimated that only 10% of the immigrants that my country (Croatia) has agreed to take actually stay in the country, the rest of them leave to Germany or Sweden as soon as they are able to.
yeah Orban is definitely xenophobic, but really what is wrong with wanting the founding and primary culture of a country to stay the primary and majority of a country? It works for Japan, they are hardly ever criticised for that.
Don't worry about it, it's simply brittish exceptionalism and looking downwards on whole central and eastern Europe. I have worked with a lot of brittish people, and if they have some common features, it is usually a combination of pride, arrogance and complete lack of any education, compared to any other country. People like David Mitchel are an exception.
1:51 Sandi: "She's had four children, and he's having a cigar." Me: **about to go on a rant about the smoking, good-for-nothing jerk** Alan: "That's Stephen Fry." Me: **burst out laughing, loses train of thought**
@@FimiliarGalaxy9 It doesn´t matter where I live. If someone who legally came to your country (lets for the sake of argument assume its Hungary) and aquired citizenship, who speaks the language, abides by its laws and pays taxes and who after living in the country for a long time considers him/herself hungarian - would you consider that person your fellow countryman/woman?
@@marcelofa89 The answer is no. Citizenship and obeying the laws does not make you a national. Actually, your idea is dominant on the only a small fraction of the globe - certain parts of Europe, then USA, Canada, New Zealand and Australia. In the rest of the world people make a clear distinction between citizenship and nationality and don't treat the two in the same way. Even after generations, let alone a first generation immigrant.
How did this go immediately to racism? Any country with a rapidly declining / aging population will try to encourage big families. Also, Hungary has the biggest Chinese immigrant population in all of Central/Eastern - Europe and there's a Turkish restaurant / kebab place on practically every street corner in Budapest. Obviously this is primarily a comedy programme but that's a shocking level of ignorance on the panel.
Well, having Nish Kumar on is pretty much guaranteeing that the level of comedy takes a dive. Why does the BBC bother? He must have some dirt on someone there.
@@MaddRevival You are the one using foul language and implying someone's racist, so perhaps it is you that needs to chill. Anyway, my comment was very clearly formulated. If you need help understanding it, you can always bring it to the English teacher at your primary school.
Considering the fact that on the announcement he made he specifically said that it was a better alternative than allowing Muslims into the country, I think the message does have a somewhat racist tone to it.
The weirdest thing about those odds of getting twins and more - there is an outlier that skews the whole thing. In the 18th century there was supposedly a Russian peasant named Feodor Vassilyev, who in the span of 40 years had 69 children with his first wife. Similarly, there is the Gravata case, where one woman had 62 children. And there are other examples throughout history as well. Those women had sets of twins, triplets, and quadruplets at way above average rates than is normal.
Not a form of racism to want to have more of your own people. Just logical considering most European countries have negative birth rates. Hungarians are also incredibly proud of their lineage and heritage and want to preserve it in a world that is hugely globalised
There is no such thing as a "negative birth rate". I mean, you can't give birth to minus 4 children, can you? What you're referring to is a birth rate that is lower than "replacement value" - which is calculated to be around 2.2 (you might initially think it'd be 2, as 2 children replace their 2 parents, but the extra 0.2 is because, of course, not all children survive long enough to have children of their own, so you need a little more than 2 to truly reach a population equilibrium) - and this is actually a sign of prosperity. Because, yes, all developed industrialised nations on planet Earth have a birth rate below replacement value. This is not a mistake nor a problem. Higher birth rates track war and poverty. For example, the country with the highest birth rate on planet Earth is Afghanistan at an average of 8 children per couple (yes, 8 is the average). This desperately poor country has effectively been in perpetual war since the Soviets attempted to invade it, the Taliban oppressed it into further ruination and then the Western world also attacked it as "revenge" for 9/11 (even though the majority nationality of the kamakazi terrorists who committed that act were Saudi - but Saudi has oil, so we ignored that and just attacked Afghanistan and Iraq instead). The next highest birth rate is found in Central Africa. Again, desperately poor nations, who were involved in the Congolese War. This also tracks historically. In that, when were these industrialised Western nations last above replacement value? Well, in the post-war "baby boom". And the keywords there are "post-war". In essence, it was a natural population recovery for the vast losses of World War 1, the Spanish Flu pandemic and World War 2, which all happened pretty much in succession to each other. When a population's numbers are threatened by war and / or poverty, it is a measured statistical fact that the birth rate rises to compensate. When Thomas Malthus wrote of his "Malthusian Collapse" - which, by the way, you should look into, as it is the CATASTROPHE that overpopulation inherently brings, seeing as you're keen to advocate for over-populating your nation - he was writing before Darwin and natural selection, to have failed to have realised that, simply, nature has already thought of this. When population numbers are threatened - by war and poverty - then birth rates rise. But, in peace and prosperity, birth rates naturally fall BELOW REPLACEMENT VALUE. Because, of course, what needs to be further noted here is that these developed industrialised nations that all uniformly have birth rates below replacement value is that there has been no population control policies enacted by governments to make this happen. It is an entirely natural human response. It is bred into us by natural selection. If anything, Western nations have - through child support payments and welfare - actually rewarded larger familes... and yet the numbers naturally fall regardless. Feel free to verify this for yourself. Pull up a world map of the Human Development Index (a measure of how developed / prosperous nations are) and then pull up a world map of birth rates, then superimpose the two on top of each other. You will see that the correlate and track each other (with only a few known exceptions - such as China, that instituted a "One Child Policy" to control their population). Most European nations do, indeed, have birth rates below replacement value. This is a sign of prosperity and strength. After all, why do you want to have a larger native population? Are you anticipating war, and require a bigger army? Or are you insufficiently prosperous as a nation that you need every hand on the decks to struggle through your relative poverty to increase productivity? You see, most European nations do not require overpopulation, as their wealth and productivity is perfectly adequate. Why would they want more people? More mouths to feed. More unemployed - as "full employment" is already impossible, so having twice as many people is just an additional burden that is not matched by there being enough employment for them all. You could validly accuse these nations of being complacent. But, well, you have to be rich and prosperous to be able to afford to be complacent, right? Nations are not better for having larger populations. The largest population on Earth is in China, followed by India - and while these nations are rapidly developing, they developed their massive populations in, for the majority of their people, a past of terrible poverty. Economic inequality is still insanely high in these nations. China instituted its "One Child Policy" - to reduce its population - in full understanding that its population of 1.3 billion is a burden, not an asset, to its development and prosperity. And that's even in a nation where, due to Communism, the State effectively has owns a slave labour force that builds nearly all of the world's products. Yet they don't want overpopulation - because it's a burden, it's a barrier, it's a shackle on their progress to prosperity. Where did you get the idea that having a bigger population is a good thing? Clearly not from China - they absolutely don't want their 1.3 billion population. Not from India, the social and economic inequality of their 1.1 billion population is a vast chasm. It can't be from Afghanistan - the nation with the highest birth rate on the planet - because who wants to emulate their decades-long war-torn poverty (largely, it must be said, from other nations forever invading them). All those nations with birth rates below replacement value that you condemn? Some of the highest HDI scores and most peaceful and prosperous nations on the planet are in the number. Indeed, if you want to accuse these nations of complacency then you might have a valid point - but, think about it, only the rich and happy can afford to be so complacent. Seriously, are you intending to invade your neighbours? That would be a reason to increase the population - to build up your supply of expendable troops for war, which will doubtless cull the population back down again. You don't get a prize for having the biggest population, you know. China has that, and no-one is handing it any awards, or gazing on in admiration of their great burden. Not even China itself awards itself any prizes for this fact - it doesn't want it, and has long attempted to enact policies to reduce the population, as it's a problem for them, not a solution to anything. Where did you ever get the idea that it's a good thing? Because, ask these far greater nations, whose populations dwarf your own - including many of these European countries you criticise - and find out if any of them feel having even more people would actually help them out. The unanimous answer, by the way, is "no".
@@klaxoncow Listen, person! Firstly this is the comment section, not the book section. You made your point until your final paragraph. Just because I lived in Hungary and understand their values, doesn't make me Hungarian. I did not criticise anyone; only that its not racist to want to grow your own population ( to be honest I stopped reading after your first "chapter" so maybe you critiqued that point too )
@@klaxoncow "Higher birth rates track war and poverty. For example, the country with the highest birth rate on planet Earth is Afghanistan at an average of 8 children per couple (yes, 8 is the average)." Can you tell me where this number 8 comes from? If one googles the fertility rate of Afghanistan it comes up with 4,47.
Yep all races of people are beautiful and interesting in their own way. Nothing wrong with some level of immigration but it would be sad if native people's became a minority in any country. It was sad when it happened in the USA and it would be equally sad if it happened in Hungary.
I was born in Hungary and grew up in Toronto. Snide remarks about both of my homes on the same show -- wow! By the way, though, Hungary has been happily multicultural for nearly 10 centuries, welcoming immigrants from all over the world who appreciate our culture and want to contribute. It suits certain uninformed or politically ambitious people to describe us as racist because we want to preserve our hard-won identity.
You can't really expect too much nuance from our friend Nish over there... Well known for being a completely insufferable ideologue whose idea of comedy is screeching at a crowd about how they're all racist and how he's _totally, really_ not. Absolute bellend.
The Clockwork Cadaver One of his fellow panelists on a previous show expressed mock surprise that he said he's vegan, suggesting that he should mention it once in a while. 🤣😂
That moment when promoting having children by your own country citizens and requiring legal immigration is considered racism… I’m a legal immigrant in Hungary, my Hungarian wife and I decided to have 3 kids, and we are benefiting from this government program.
@@mrrrokas They have to, it's BBC policy. They made a historical "documentary cartoon" for kids about the antique British Isles where not only are the Romans black/brown and mixing with whites but actual indigenous people of the Isles like the Picts are black and brown. They are getting quite aggressive with that in recent years, that whole anti-white sentiment. It is not even political correctness anymore.
@@MaddRevival Where was the joke? Timestamp please. They did not make a joke, they offered an opinion, a bigoted one at that. Is it now racist to a) correct people when they are wrong or b) point out bigotry? You truly are an awful person.
Best way to avoid income tax in Germany is get married and have kids. A married man as long as he is the bigger earner gets a lower tax code then children give you a "free amounts" so im married with 3 children i paid virtually NO tax last year. Only health and social payments were deducted.
Hungary has a rapidly shrinking population and has had for decades. This policy has nothing to do with immigration and race. Everyone who lives and works in Hungary is welcome to the same benefits, regardless of race.
@@benwilliams3539 I assumed you were at least smart enough to know you were wrong, my mistake. It isn’t an idea from Hungary at all, it was an initiative first used by Adolf Hitler in Fascist Germany to encourage Aryans to breed. Weirdly enough, it’s only majority white countries that try to bring back nazism...and only white boys who defend it in UA-cam comments.
@@benwilliams3539 Notice how your argument isn’t that what I said wasn’t correct? Just you being butthurt for getting called out. Try whining about it in UA-cam comments some more, that’ll help.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 No he misses the regular 'cook outs' that they used to have after each episode of QI, with Stephen presiding as head chef. His deep fried snacks were something special by all accounts and, unsurprisingly, the OP misses these events.
Ahh yes, because anti-immigration = pro-racism ... even though immigrants of any race will be turned away under their system and are not quotaed or selectively picked for an immuteable characteristic, instead favouring a point system which promotes meritocratic entry. I have no right to be a hungarian as much as as a russian, korean or somalian. Apologies for the little rant. Its all good to disagree with me but at least dont base your argument on a strawman
Minor point, but I think the 4 child policy is more to do with the declining population than it was anti-immigration. Now a fair criticism might be that things like marriage and children are personal lifestyle choices and shouldn't be government policy, but that's a different argument. Funny clip though
After spending a year in Europe there seems to be a visceral hatred of everything Eastern European. Anything that happens there must me interpreted in the least charitable way possible.
@@bobbyz9052 Hungary and Poland are really going backwards. Poland is getting too conservative, Hungary is getting too fascist. These are not Eastern European things.
@@neithere Define backwards. The west is adopting more and more socialist values, considering that Poland rid itself of socialism 30 years ago it's not surprising that they're unwilling to follow in the west's footsteps.
@@kasperkjrsgaard1447 I lived in DK for 8 years. Not a good value for money in the EU since 2018 unfortunately so I chose to pay tax and receive services elsewhere.
An episode of Married...With Children had a similar plot where the will of a relative stipulated that the first relative to give birth (and maybe name it after him but I cannot be sure) will get a large sum of inheritance.
There's nothing crazy about loving your family more than a stranger. Seems like a rather natural next step to take. A colony of ants is the same thing, even worse, they're absolutely murderous towards any foreign colony.
If the Hungarian people feel their numbers are dwindling I don't think it's racist to try and make those numbers back up.. infact I'd say it racist to say that.
Hungary's thing seems like pretty standard pro-natalist social policy to me; I imagine the population is aging in Hungary just like it is virtually everywhere in developed Europe, and it's not sinister to try to reverse that trend. Unless benefits are withheld from ethnic minorities or something, the racial angle is just pointlessly uncharitable. Is Nish really so cynical about his career that he'd seize upon this without even bothering to look for a joke out of it, or is his ideology just that myopic?
I said it to someone else, but I'll say it to you too. It's real fucking interesting that Sandi, Ashling, David, and Nish all chalked it up to racism, but you lot only care about *one* of those people holding that opinion. And gee, I wonder what the difference between them could possibly be.
@@mylittledashie7419 uh, that he brought it up? Aisling does the same sort of commentary, granted, but Sandi's just moderating and at least David goes for a laugh
It doesn't need to be quadruples, if you give birth to 4 children in any way, you don't need to pay income tax. You have to live and work in Hungary though.
@@amyx231 It's not mandatory you know. My mother had 8 and there was no such incentive in place, some people love kids and if you raise them right they raise themselves.
@@amyx231 I get it, my sister was also scared but she recently had a baby and she says it's not as bad as she thought it would be. Plus I've never seen her happier, she used to be grumpy all the time. Babies are precious, and so many people today think they need to have everything perfect to have kids, they can't distinguish needs from luxuries.
That exemption to tax for having more children is in no way racist, frankly I think its a wonderful idea as most western states culture are slowly withering away due to extremely low birth rates. Immigration is a cheap and lazy way to fix a deep and serious problem with Birth rates and eventually cause culture clashes because of non-assimilation. Russia has a birth incentive program and its been shown to work better. I believe that countries should only accept skill based Immigration ( Australian Points System ) and use Birth incentives to grow population.
@@11manxcat sure but you'd expect they'd typically be in the same school while they're school students, at least. And yet I never met any twins in school.
@@Magmafrost13 That seems odd to me. How big was your class? I can't remember ever not having multiple sets of twins in my class of around 600-700. Do note this doesn't mean identical twins, which are like 100 times less likely. I've met only a handful of those in my life. That said, the distributions is not uniform: there are places where there are a lot more twins than average. It seems that people can be genetically disposed to twins, for instance. And that maybe some environmental factors can play a role in making them more likely.
There’s a theory (I don’t know if it’s been probed right or wrong) that left handed people were originally twins in the womb, where the egg had split but their twin didn’t survive. It’s possible more people would have been twins but something went wrong
@@Wustenfuchs109 Not because of a one-time reward, but certainly for the financial rewards. It happens in most countries whereby the government gives financial benefits for each child you have, and some poor people take advantage of that and have as many children as they can in order to reap more financial benefits from the government. And in some cases they keep the money for themselves, instead of using it for the children. Maybe one is dense for not knowing that?
If sense means filling his own pockets, re-writing the Constitution so that he's impossible to be voted out and selling the country to China and Russia while shouting "You communist traitor!" at everybody who doesn't agree with any of that, then sure. "Makes sense"
@@andrew7taylor You just wrote a lot without saying anything, you read that in your SJW news and think it's facts. Weird how Hungarian standards have risen. Weird how Poland was the only country unaffected by economic crisis, and weird how these SJW countries have the highest crime rates.
During the history of research on multiple maternities, Hellin's law has played a central role as a rule of thumb. It is mathematically simple and approximately correct, but shows discrepancies that are difficult to explain or to eliminate. It has been mathematically proven that Hellin's law does not hold as a general rule. Varying improvements to this law have been proposed.
well yeah, it doesn't appear to take into acount that twins often run in families, so the odds of a twin pregnancy would be much higher if the mother was a twin, or has twins as siblings.
@@SevCaswell they're not talking about the probability of a randomly chosen individual. They're just talking about the chance of the entire population.
@@L.C.Sweeney Even for entire population, since the matter at hand are related to health and genetic, I would thought that the population's level of fitness, access to healthcare, obesity rate, common diet, race, prevalence of hereditary diseases, presence of genes likely to produce twins etc to be more relevant than mathematics, though I guess as a probability question, its a good baseline.
@Bluewolfe Socialists had the exact same policy in Hungary and Eastern Block in general, so back off! Things you are calling "lefty" today are in fact product of right wing political idea. SJW, PC culture and all that shit - a direct product of identity politics that is the basis of far right political ideas. Learn what actual left and right are.
The laughter at Charles Miller is unsettling. Imagine Bezos going "whomever shoves the most can openers into their rectums by Tuesday gets free health care for life." It's a thin line between 'great practical jokester' and 'plutocratic sadist.'
Well, one problem is that you can perfectly well have Hungarian culture among people who weren’t born in Hungary or whose parents weren’t born in Hungary. Maintaining your own culture doesn’t require suppressing or excluding anyone else’s.
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If you would know any the Hungarian government you would know they are actually spreading anti immigrant and racist propaganda, amongst of anti LGBTQ and other hateful ideas
A middle-income country like Hungary with a rare language has never been or will be a very attractive final destination for migrants, anyways. (Most of the immigrants would eventually move on to the richer Western European neighbours if the opportunity arises.)
@@jpietersen519 Um. Hungary is 94% ethnic-Hungarian. Nine million foreigners could move to Hungary tomorrow and Hungarians would still be in a majority.
If you're still wondering if the tax exemption policy is racist, the government literally justified it by saying that the world belongs to those who breed the most. So the goal is to breed Hungarians because they are superior.
I don't understand what it is about racists where they proudly say racist things but get angry if someone uses the word racism. Everything you said is literally racist. Saying that one person is preferable to another because of their ethnic background alone is exactly what racism is. Racism is prejudice, it is judging someone from where they come from, or at least from where you think they come from, rather than the content of their character. You don't get to invoke nationalistic pride and say that that makes it non-racist. What you're doing is helping to show why nationalism often ends up being racist.
A tax allowance is paid directly to the woman to ensure it goes to the person caring for the babies... some fathers are absent, abusive, controlling... etc. If the couple are together the father gets it too doesn't he. 😉
@@jaygee1868 Paying to the woman to ensure the person caring for the children get it, isnt that a bit backward? Should it not be paying to the person caring for the children, mother or father? Lets not get into the whole absent/abusive/controlling, that is 100% NOT limited to fathers or men...
@@ssu7653 payable to the person who gives birth. If that person gives up parental responsibility, or its removed from them, then the legal guardian can claim it. Done. 😉
Esp considering a woman with 4 kids is likely to be main caregiver of said kids and therefore not available to work much anyways... for a few years anyways.
One second hasn't Hungary brought in that law to encourage a younger population to help pay for the aging population in their country Hungary? 🤔 nice race baiting QI.
@@ItsGroundhogDay Someone clearly hasn't read Alice in Wonderland. According to Dr. Hatter et al, "You mean you can't take less. [...] it's very easy to take more than nothing." Anyway, Hungary's policy IS racist, but that's a good thing. The idea of White folks putting their own race first is only evil according to the people who want to destroy us.
Well, then, what do you think the purpose of such a policy is? Why is Hungary simultaneously trying to get Hungarians to breed and trying to restrict immigration? If population is a problem, why not try to also increase legal immigration? If it's about culture, why not require immigrants to culturally assimilate? It's not like countries do this sort of thing for fun. They clearly have a reason they have chosen to incentivize larger families. I'm open to the idea that there could be another goal, but "trying to outbreed THEM" is a common strategy used by nationalists.
@@ZipplyZane We already import Chinese by the thousands, it's not like we have closed borders. We oppose taking in loads of refugees. The vast majority of Muslims simply can't integrate here. Also, uh... Y'know... The part of our brain that favours similar people still works.
Imagine being so racist against Hungarians that you can't even appreciate it when Hungary passes a law that permanently improves the lives of Hungarian mothers.
Except the guy who put it into law is a proponent of the ‘great replacement’ conspiracy. And the loan is a one-time 27 grand, which would seem great in the short term, so you have three kids, which cost 185 grand EACH to raise, and then what? You have three kids you possibly can’t afford and the 27 grand doesn’t last long. This is a scheme to get desperate women to pump out children with the right physical features that they can’t actually afford to raise with the promise of short-term benefits. Don’t pretend like the guy who spoke out against democracy and introduced prison time for ‘fake news’ and created an internet tax to hide his corruption gives a shit about any one of his citizens
@@asdasdasdora the law itself isn’t racist, but the guy behind it absolutely is, and if you think he’s doing it out of the goodness of his heart, you’re naive
@@emilybarclay8831 Problem: we habe dwindling population. Solution: child benefits. Seems pretty straight forward to me. There is absolutely no bias on race or ethnicity. You have a citizenship? Than you can apply for it! There is nothing on the law from stopping a korean woman from relocating to Hungary, appling for a citizenship, and having 4 babies entitling for said tax policy.
@@zyaicob People can become Hungarian citizens. They can't become Hungarian people. I'm white British and live in Japan. In a year I'm able to claim citizenship. If I get citizenship I will be a Japanese citizen. But I would not be a Japanese person nor would you consider me one. Same shit.
@@-bubby9633 pardon me if this is too personal a question, but why are you trying to obtain Japanese citizenship? It's my understanding that the Japanese government does not allow dual citizenship (a good policy, wish we could apply that to all of the Israeli dual citizens in the US government). Why do you want to renounce your loyalty to the United Kingdom?
@@-bubby9633 See but these same Brits have no problem with Japan's policies, Japan is cute so we don't like to call it racist. Good for Japan, I hope they keep it like that because they sure as hell have a tidy, safe society.
'Encouraging breeding as an act of racism' is not a thing unless you're doing it selectively. Hungary's population is declining, and the population is getting older that's an economical problem as much as anything. Like what they're basically criticizing is child benefits and putting a nasty spin on it because they're clearly looking down East and Central Europeans as a lesser. British people are all too ready to look down on Central and Eastern Europe, while still wielding the legacy of their nightmare colonialist empire, willing to shoot their leg off with Brexit just because of how much they hate immigrant workers. Projecting much
Writing a law that gives benefits to large families based on their race is racist. Which doesn't apply here, since the Hungarian law does not discriminate. Anyway, it was either hyperbole as a joke, based on a misunderstanding of the law, or just plain wrong. The take you represent assumes malice, and it is always better to assume incompetence like so: "This comedian jumped to a stupid conclusion."
@@bramvanduijn8086 Don't play stupid. Their intent is clear as day, and is prevalent throughout the western world. It's plain wrong, but it's not wrong by mistake.
@@bramvanduijn8086 Reading malice from Nish Kumar is not an assumption at all, I'm afraid. Usually you'd be right, but Hanlon's razor does not apply here. Nish absolutely is 100% intentional with his subversive ideological chisel, chipping away at everything it means to be British -- or in this case, Hungarian. He's got a well-documented track record of being an insufferably sanctimonious shitweasel.
@@roberthermann97 even if the viel is fully lifted, wanting your country to be populated by the people who come from there isn't innately wrong. There's a reason esoterics is heavily deep into race. It's important
“Encouraging breeding as an act of racism.” This is what the world has come to. Idiotic thinking. To quote Bruce Lee “You know what I want to think of myself? As a human being. Because, I mean I don't want to be like as Confucius say, but under the sky, under the heavens there is but one family. It just so happens man that people are different.”
You have to look at the full picture. If all they wanted was population growth, opening the doors to immigrants would be a much faster way of doing that. A Hungarian woman could increase Hungary's population by four in an instant by letting four foreigners live in her house. Adding four people by having babies will take four or five years.
@@beeble2003 Also newborn children a) cost a ton in education over the future years, whereas immigrants have most of the basics covered already and mostly just need to learn the language and b) don't alleviate the pressure on regions that the geopolitical north has put on the south.
@@beeble2003 Hungry has a small population and a small language and culture, they have only survived this long by being their own people, in the near future upwards of 100 million africans will flea to europe due to egypt and ethiopia going to war over the niles water alone, EU governments are just scrambling to make their decision as after the last 20 years they know they can't even intergrade 10 million africans successfully that quickly. Will be weird to see which choice they make, EU becomes fully anti immigration or Europe as a civilisation stops existing as it currently does. fascinating times
Immigrants though will directly compete for jobs and houses though, reducing living standards. Also I don't know your point about north Vs south really holds water, what pressure is the "North" putting on the South, and why is the South losing people a solution to this?
@@beeble2003 In your definition then, racism has nothing to do with human races. Then everything that only applies to the citizens of a particular country is racism. Then the British are also very racist in not giving British citizenship, social rental housing and benefits to everyone who just asks for it from anywhere in the world.
@@beeble2003 Racism is discrimination on the basis of citizenship ? Then every single country on earth is racist. The law makes no reference to either race or ethnicity.
It's modeled after a program Hitler instituted in order to get more Aryans to breed. When you're on the same side as Hitler then it's time to get off the internet and spend some time outside.
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The prize for most children isn't even the weirdest thing seen here in Ontario, Canada.
When a couple, Mrs and Mr Dionne, had quintuplets, back in the 30s, the State took all five little girls from their parents _for the children's own good,_ built a little theme park around them, and the public was allowed to look in on them for a fee, like in a zoo.
They all survived into adulthood, but all with varying degrees of psychological damage.
So you're actually telling me that the Simpsons episode with Apu's octuplets *was based on a real story!?*
And the excuse for taking the babies away from their parents was to protect them from exactly this sort of exploitation. The father had signed a contract to display them at the Chicago Century of Progress exposition and was unable to revoke it later, so politicians used this as justification to push through an act specifically separating these children from their parents and making them wards of the crown.
@@Damian_1989 yes, it was.
Psychological Damage and Ontario, Canada I think are intrinsic... This is just one method through which the individuals received their share/due of the trauma that is living in this crap-hole of a society!
@@justincronkright5025,
Easy there, buddy.
We don't _all_ live in Thunder Bay.
The bit about the 3 men who hate each other living in the same house definitely was absolutely hilarious
Movie-worthy, even!
Indefinitely
for a house in Jamaica, I'd make it work
Aisling's reaction to that at 3.57 looks like she had a minor climax.
If it was a house full of weapons, it’d be a great dark comedy
The fastest way (not the best) to avoid income tax in Britain is to use Jimmy Carr's tax preparer.
Or present Children In Need, saying how badly kids in the UK need your money, while never paying taxes.
Just like Gary Barlow
I think that’s the fastest way to NOT avoid income tax!
Or Lewis Hamilton
Carr paid his taxes after they caught him.
@@OriginalPiMan that and it's not like he didn't pay taxes. He just got into a lower bracket.
Those ideas at the end are brilliant
I think they said those were stipulations in his will, so they were actual rules that had to be followed for the money! She said he was a prankster but what that guy did was genius!
Aisling looks really smitten by his pranks
For anyone interested in knowing, we still learn about Charles Miller's will in Ontario Law Schools
He sounds like quite an amusing guy, tbh.
Not the competition, but the other items on the will were hilarious!!
This competition first struck me as funny. Then I remembered the maternal/neonatal survival rates of the time and realised what the fallout of this competition must have been...
As David Mitchell once said: "It was carnage." Although it was his thumb he was talking about.
If you survived your first birth, the rest were far easier so the risk was probably no higher than it would have been having just 1
@@manfrombritain6816 Actually, no. Medically the risk gets higher with each subsequent birth. I think perhaps you're thinking only of the average length of labor time? The entire process of carrying a baby to term and then giving birth with both mother and baby surviving becomes more risky every time. Each one takes a permanent toll on the mother's body. Historically childbirth was so dangerous that victorian women would choose their funeral clothes before birth. Please, look it up :)
So I've always hated the term "mansplaining", but after seeing a man incorrectly try to explain how pregnancy works to woman...I now understand why the word exists 🤦♂️
@@lizastarpeter4295 AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I know right? It's a little extra amusing/concerning to me as I needed an emergency c-sec to save my preemie breach baby from dying in birth, and to help breathe/feed for a week, and the complications of the surgery nearly killed ME. Tell me again that my next one would be easier or safer?
For some reason, the yellow raincoat just never gets old.
As someone who lives in a country that has similar problems with dwindling population as Hungary I think that the comment about them being racist with this children policy is a bit ignorant. Yes, Orban is quite xenophobic to immigrants, but you have to keep in mind that even if Hungary was wiling to accept them, very few of them would actualy stay there. For example, it is estimated that only 10% of the immigrants that my country (Croatia) has agreed to take actually stay in the country, the rest of them leave to Germany or Sweden as soon as they are able to.
nish kumar will pretty much call anything short of full open borders, subsidising your guests and silencing all criticism of such policies "racist".
yeah Orban is definitely xenophobic, but really what is wrong with wanting the founding and primary culture of a country to stay the primary and majority of a country? It works for Japan, they are hardly ever criticised for that.
Don't worry about it, it's simply brittish exceptionalism and looking downwards on whole central and eastern Europe. I have worked with a lot of brittish people, and if they have some common features, it is usually a combination of pride, arrogance and complete lack of any education, compared to any other country. People like David Mitchel are an exception.
@@noldo3837 well as a brit myself unfortunately I have to agree with you. You aren't wrong.
You're on the same side as a guy using Hitler as his avatar. Most people would reexamine their life if that was the case.
1:51
Sandi: "She's had four children, and he's having a cigar."
Me: **about to go on a rant about the smoking, good-for-nothing jerk**
Alan: "That's Stephen Fry."
Me: **burst out laughing, loses train of thought**
No matter how many times I hear about Charles Miller it will always remain funny
The goals of a nation are to its people
Define "it's people"
@@marcelofa89 and where might you be from?
@@FimiliarGalaxy9 It doesn´t matter where I live. If someone who legally came to your country (lets for the sake of argument assume its Hungary) and aquired citizenship, who speaks the language, abides by its laws and pays taxes and who after living in the country for a long time considers him/herself hungarian - would you consider that person your fellow countryman/woman?
So the majority of the population of the USA is out then
@@marcelofa89 The answer is no. Citizenship and obeying the laws does not make you a national. Actually, your idea is dominant on the only a small fraction of the globe - certain parts of Europe, then USA, Canada, New Zealand and Australia. In the rest of the world people make a clear distinction between citizenship and nationality and don't treat the two in the same way. Even after generations, let alone a first generation immigrant.
So I went to Budapest with my GF, saw all the family planning ads, and now we have twins! Halfway there...
Good for you! Europeans need to be having more children.
@@RabbiHerschel the world needs LESS children, not more. The origin/colour doesn't matter, the education does.
@@neithere the world needs more of the people who landed on the moon and less of the people who failed to invent the wheel.
@@RabbiHerschel that's exactly what I said: more educated, less uneducated.
@Colt Sassoon mate, what?
How did this go immediately to racism? Any country with a rapidly declining / aging population will try to encourage big families.
Also, Hungary has the biggest Chinese immigrant population in all of Central/Eastern - Europe and there's a Turkish restaurant / kebab place on practically every street corner in Budapest.
Obviously this is primarily a comedy programme but that's a shocking level of ignorance on the panel.
Well, having Nish Kumar on is pretty much guaranteeing that the level of comedy takes a dive. Why does the BBC bother? He must have some dirt on someone there.
They made a joke, as comedians do, chill the fuck out and stop crying - or are you upset when the joke hits too close to the racist at heart?
@@MaddRevival You are the one using foul language and implying someone's racist, so perhaps it is you that needs to chill. Anyway, my comment was very clearly formulated. If you need help understanding it, you can always bring it to the English teacher at your primary school.
@@neemnoa303 wah wah
Considering the fact that on the announcement he made he specifically said that it was a better alternative than allowing Muslims into the country, I think the message does have a somewhat racist tone to it.
The weirdest thing about those odds of getting twins and more - there is an outlier that skews the whole thing. In the 18th century there was supposedly a Russian peasant named Feodor Vassilyev, who in the span of 40 years had 69 children with his first wife. Similarly, there is the Gravata case, where one woman had 62 children. And there are other examples throughout history as well.
Those women had sets of twins, triplets, and quadruplets at way above average rates than is normal.
Respect to the thumbnail person ❤️
Not a form of racism to want to have more of your own people. Just logical considering most European countries have negative birth rates. Hungarians are also incredibly proud of their lineage and heritage and want to preserve it in a world that is hugely globalised
Well what do you expect from Nish - he probably doesn't bat an eye at an Asian family having 4+ kids
There is no such thing as a "negative birth rate". I mean, you can't give birth to minus 4 children, can you?
What you're referring to is a birth rate that is lower than "replacement value" - which is calculated to be around 2.2 (you might initially think it'd be 2, as 2 children replace their 2 parents, but the extra 0.2 is because, of course, not all children survive long enough to have children of their own, so you need a little more than 2 to truly reach a population equilibrium) - and this is actually a sign of prosperity.
Because, yes, all developed industrialised nations on planet Earth have a birth rate below replacement value. This is not a mistake nor a problem.
Higher birth rates track war and poverty. For example, the country with the highest birth rate on planet Earth is Afghanistan at an average of 8 children per couple (yes, 8 is the average). This desperately poor country has effectively been in perpetual war since the Soviets attempted to invade it, the Taliban oppressed it into further ruination and then the Western world also attacked it as "revenge" for 9/11 (even though the majority nationality of the kamakazi terrorists who committed that act were Saudi - but Saudi has oil, so we ignored that and just attacked Afghanistan and Iraq instead).
The next highest birth rate is found in Central Africa. Again, desperately poor nations, who were involved in the Congolese War.
This also tracks historically. In that, when were these industrialised Western nations last above replacement value? Well, in the post-war "baby boom". And the keywords there are "post-war". In essence, it was a natural population recovery for the vast losses of World War 1, the Spanish Flu pandemic and World War 2, which all happened pretty much in succession to each other.
When a population's numbers are threatened by war and / or poverty, it is a measured statistical fact that the birth rate rises to compensate.
When Thomas Malthus wrote of his "Malthusian Collapse" - which, by the way, you should look into, as it is the CATASTROPHE that overpopulation inherently brings, seeing as you're keen to advocate for over-populating your nation - he was writing before Darwin and natural selection, to have failed to have realised that, simply, nature has already thought of this.
When population numbers are threatened - by war and poverty - then birth rates rise. But, in peace and prosperity, birth rates naturally fall BELOW REPLACEMENT VALUE.
Because, of course, what needs to be further noted here is that these developed industrialised nations that all uniformly have birth rates below replacement value is that there has been no population control policies enacted by governments to make this happen. It is an entirely natural human response. It is bred into us by natural selection.
If anything, Western nations have - through child support payments and welfare - actually rewarded larger familes... and yet the numbers naturally fall regardless.
Feel free to verify this for yourself. Pull up a world map of the Human Development Index (a measure of how developed / prosperous nations are) and then pull up a world map of birth rates, then superimpose the two on top of each other. You will see that the correlate and track each other (with only a few known exceptions - such as China, that instituted a "One Child Policy" to control their population).
Most European nations do, indeed, have birth rates below replacement value. This is a sign of prosperity and strength.
After all, why do you want to have a larger native population? Are you anticipating war, and require a bigger army? Or are you insufficiently prosperous as a nation that you need every hand on the decks to struggle through your relative poverty to increase productivity?
You see, most European nations do not require overpopulation, as their wealth and productivity is perfectly adequate. Why would they want more people? More mouths to feed. More unemployed - as "full employment" is already impossible, so having twice as many people is just an additional burden that is not matched by there being enough employment for them all.
You could validly accuse these nations of being complacent. But, well, you have to be rich and prosperous to be able to afford to be complacent, right?
Nations are not better for having larger populations. The largest population on Earth is in China, followed by India - and while these nations are rapidly developing, they developed their massive populations in, for the majority of their people, a past of terrible poverty. Economic inequality is still insanely high in these nations.
China instituted its "One Child Policy" - to reduce its population - in full understanding that its population of 1.3 billion is a burden, not an asset, to its development and prosperity. And that's even in a nation where, due to Communism, the State effectively has owns a slave labour force that builds nearly all of the world's products. Yet they don't want overpopulation - because it's a burden, it's a barrier, it's a shackle on their progress to prosperity.
Where did you get the idea that having a bigger population is a good thing? Clearly not from China - they absolutely don't want their 1.3 billion population. Not from India, the social and economic inequality of their 1.1 billion population is a vast chasm. It can't be from Afghanistan - the nation with the highest birth rate on the planet - because who wants to emulate their decades-long war-torn poverty (largely, it must be said, from other nations forever invading them).
All those nations with birth rates below replacement value that you condemn? Some of the highest HDI scores and most peaceful and prosperous nations on the planet are in the number. Indeed, if you want to accuse these nations of complacency then you might have a valid point - but, think about it, only the rich and happy can afford to be so complacent.
Seriously, are you intending to invade your neighbours? That would be a reason to increase the population - to build up your supply of expendable troops for war, which will doubtless cull the population back down again.
You don't get a prize for having the biggest population, you know. China has that, and no-one is handing it any awards, or gazing on in admiration of their great burden. Not even China itself awards itself any prizes for this fact - it doesn't want it, and has long attempted to enact policies to reduce the population, as it's a problem for them, not a solution to anything.
Where did you ever get the idea that it's a good thing? Because, ask these far greater nations, whose populations dwarf your own - including many of these European countries you criticise - and find out if any of them feel having even more people would actually help them out. The unanimous answer, by the way, is "no".
@@klaxoncow Listen, person! Firstly this is the comment section, not the book section. You made your point until your final paragraph. Just because I lived in Hungary and understand their values, doesn't make me Hungarian. I did not criticise anyone; only that its not racist to want to grow your own population ( to be honest I stopped reading after your first "chapter" so maybe you critiqued that point too )
@@klaxoncow "Higher birth rates track war and poverty. For example, the country with the highest birth rate on planet Earth is Afghanistan at an average of 8 children per couple (yes, 8 is the average)."
Can you tell me where this number 8 comes from? If one googles the fertility rate of Afghanistan it comes up with 4,47.
Yep all races of people are beautiful and interesting in their own way. Nothing wrong with some level of immigration but it would be sad if native people's became a minority in any country. It was sad when it happened in the USA and it would be equally sad if it happened in Hungary.
I was born in Hungary and grew up in Toronto. Snide remarks about both of my homes on the same show -- wow! By the way, though, Hungary has been happily multicultural for nearly 10 centuries, welcoming immigrants from all over the world who appreciate our culture and want to contribute. It suits certain uninformed or politically ambitious people to describe us as racist because we want to preserve our hard-won identity.
10 centuries will be 1000 years 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You can't really expect too much nuance from our friend Nish over there... Well known for being a completely insufferable ideologue whose idea of comedy is screeching at a crowd about how they're all racist and how he's _totally, really_ not. Absolute bellend.
Diddums
CHR 15 That is correct. Hungary was founded before the first millenium.
The Clockwork Cadaver One of his fellow panelists on a previous show expressed mock surprise that he said he's vegan, suggesting that he should mention it once in a while. 🤣😂
0:58 such an AWFUL thing for Hungary to be populated by Hungarians, would you imagine that
That moment when promoting having children by your own country citizens and requiring legal immigration is considered racism… I’m a legal immigrant in Hungary, my Hungarian wife and I decided to have 3 kids, and we are benefiting from this government program.
thanks for this
Good on you mate! The guests are talking ass
@@mrrrokas They have to, it's BBC policy. They made a historical "documentary cartoon" for kids about the antique British Isles where not only are the Romans black/brown and mixing with whites but actual indigenous people of the Isles like the Picts are black and brown. They are getting quite aggressive with that in recent years, that whole anti-white sentiment. It is not even political correctness anymore.
They made a joke, as comedians do, chill the fuck out and stop crying - or are you upset when the joke hits too close to the racist at heart?
@@MaddRevival Where was the joke? Timestamp please. They did not make a joke, they offered an opinion, a bigoted one at that. Is it now racist to a) correct people when they are wrong or b) point out bigotry? You truly are an awful person.
Best way to avoid income tax in Germany is get married and have kids.
A married man as long as he is the bigger earner gets a lower tax code then children give you a "free amounts" so im married with 3 children i paid virtually NO tax last year. Only health and social payments were deducted.
Hungary has a rapidly shrinking population and has had for decades. This policy has nothing to do with immigration and race. Everyone who lives and works in Hungary is welcome to the same benefits, regardless of race.
Well how can Nish use that to play the victim? 😂
@@thedarkness111 Don't forget Aisling and her perpetual scowl.
Regardless, even if it were the case that it was purely for natives, there is nothing wrong with Hungarians wanting more Hungarians.
shh, i would rather not have him over here
@@minnie383 are you going for the top tier? Romesh Ranganathan.
Good idea from Hungary.
Guaranteed if an African or Asian country proposed this it would be hailed as anti-colonist wonderment
Wow, you’re whining in UA-cam comments about a hypothetical situation that you dreamed up. What a winner you must be 😂
@@lizastarpeter4295 notice how your argument isn't that what I said is incorrect?
@@benwilliams3539 I assumed you were at least smart enough to know you were wrong, my mistake.
It isn’t an idea from Hungary at all, it was an initiative first used by Adolf Hitler in Fascist Germany to encourage Aryans to breed. Weirdly enough, it’s only majority white countries that try to bring back nazism...and only white boys who defend it in UA-cam comments.
@@lizastarpeter4295 typical leftie calling every white proud person a Nazi. All you have is degradation because you have no real argument
@@benwilliams3539 Notice how your argument isn’t that what I said wasn’t correct? Just you being butthurt for getting called out. Try whining about it in UA-cam comments some more, that’ll help.
he sounds like a legend
Being someone that multitasks during videos and tends to let them run on autoplay, thank you for the person that walked by at the very end.
I miss Steven fry
Steven Fry* ...
@@einundsiebenziger5488 don't be a smart arse.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 *Stephen* Fry* ... :)
@@eternyti Stephen *John* Fry*
@@einundsiebenziger5488 No he misses the regular 'cook outs' that they used to have after each episode of QI, with Stephen presiding as head chef.
His deep fried snacks were something special by all accounts and, unsurprisingly, the OP misses these events.
Ahh yes, because anti-immigration = pro-racism ... even though immigrants of any race will be turned away under their system and are not quotaed or selectively picked for an immuteable characteristic, instead favouring a point system which promotes meritocratic entry.
I have no right to be a hungarian as much as as a russian, korean or somalian.
Apologies for the little rant. Its all good to disagree with me but at least dont base your argument on a strawman
I helped babysit quadruplets when I was 17. I knew then that I didnt want children 😂
Minor point, but I think the 4 child policy is more to do with the declining population than it was anti-immigration. Now a fair criticism might be that things like marriage and children are personal lifestyle choices and shouldn't be government policy, but that's a different argument. Funny clip though
After spending a year in Europe there seems to be a visceral hatred of everything Eastern European. Anything that happens there must me interpreted in the least charitable way possible.
@@bobbyz9052 Hungary and Poland are really going backwards. Poland is getting too conservative, Hungary is getting too fascist. These are not Eastern European things.
@@neithere Going forwards, you mean.
@@RabbiHerschel No. Hatred, nationalism, racism, fascism are things from the past. They lead to disasters. Humanity can learn on its own mistakes.
@@neithere Define backwards. The west is adopting more and more socialist values, considering that Poland rid itself of socialism 30 years ago it's not surprising that they're unwilling to follow in the west's footsteps.
♥ Aisling Bea ♥
**swoon**
A Dane criticising too strict immigration policies is the funniest thing ever.
I’m a Dane and i criticise the strict immigration policies too.
And i even live in Denmark.
@@kasperkjrsgaard1447 I lived in DK for 8 years. Not a good value for money in the EU since 2018 unfortunately so I chose to pay tax and receive services elsewhere.
So people are not allowed opinions? They absolutely have to follow the policies layed out by their native country? Who made that rule? You?
@@yellowbelly7863 Who said it's not allowed, I wrote it was funny. Do you understand words?
@@kasperkjrsgaard1447 Why do you wish an increase in crime rates? Do you wanna become a Sweden?
An episode of Married...With Children had a similar plot where the will of a relative stipulated that the first relative to give birth (and maybe name it after him but I cannot be sure) will get a large sum of inheritance.
Nice video length
Imagine pumping out 12 kids in 10 years and missing out only to then have to pay for your family yourself.
Imagine having to face the consequences of making a really stupid decision.
@@SmashPortal that's what i was saying👍
Imagine being the woman who probably wasn't given a choice in the matter
0:50 Crazy how a group of people like their own group of people. Wow. Crazy. Insane even.
There's nothing crazy about loving your family more than a stranger. Seems like a rather natural next step to take. A colony of ants is the same thing, even worse, they're absolutely murderous towards any foreign colony.
1:40 You have no idea how right you are.
If the Hungarian people feel their numbers are dwindling I don't think it's racist to try and make those numbers back up.. infact I'd say it racist to say that.
Letting in immigrants is easier and cheaper. Children don't speak the language either.
@@duncanhw
Yes but then they run the risk of Hungary being ruined.
@@lewis72 Under Mr Orban I don't believe Hungary can be ruined much more.
@@duncanhw I'd still rather a kleptocratic government, than Syrians overrunning the country.
@@MaxwellTornado And how exactly is that not racist?
Tbh the thought of Nish having multiple kids in any country sounds like a terrible idea
Hungary's thing seems like pretty standard pro-natalist social policy to me; I imagine the population is aging in Hungary just like it is virtually everywhere in developed Europe, and it's not sinister to try to reverse that trend. Unless benefits are withheld from ethnic minorities or something, the racial angle is just pointlessly uncharitable. Is Nish really so cynical about his career that he'd seize upon this without even bothering to look for a joke out of it, or is his ideology just that myopic?
I said it to someone else, but I'll say it to you too. It's real fucking interesting that Sandi, Ashling, David, and Nish all chalked it up to racism, but you lot only care about *one* of those people holding that opinion. And gee, I wonder what the difference between them could possibly be.
@@mylittledashie7419 uh, that he brought it up? Aisling does the same sort of commentary, granted, but Sandi's just moderating and at least David goes for a laugh
@@erikgamm8050 Did he? He wasn't the one to call it "racism". David was.
It doesn't need to be quadruples, if you give birth to 4 children in any way, you don't need to pay income tax. You have to live and work in Hungary though.
She said that…
@@TheGreatAtario yeah. I watched it again. My bad.
did this get reuploaded? I swear I watched it yesterday.
This was first aired on tv 3 weeks ago. Maybe you saw it then.
@@chrisbingham5665 No definitely on UA-cam. I don't watch it on tv. I cant I'm American they don't even show it on tv here.
Wait. 4 kids. For a couple? 2 couples with 2 kids each have the highest earners marry each other, take the kids, Bam! No taxes!
Think again, it's not about the couple, it's for women who've had 4 babies.
@@ararune3734 ah. Yeah no, I refuse to have that many kids. Lol.
@@amyx231 It's not mandatory you know. My mother had 8 and there was no such incentive in place, some people love kids and if you raise them right they raise themselves.
@@ararune3734 I don’t plan to have kids. I might adopt when I’m more financially secure. But childbirth scares me and babies are terrifying.
@@amyx231 I get it, my sister was also scared but she recently had a baby and she says it's not as bad as she thought it would be. Plus I've never seen her happier, she used to be grumpy all the time.
Babies are precious, and so many people today think they need to have everything perfect to have kids, they can't distinguish needs from luxuries.
That exemption to tax for having more children is in no way racist, frankly I think its a wonderful idea as most western states culture are slowly withering away due to extremely low birth rates. Immigration is a cheap and lazy way to fix a deep and serious problem with Birth rates and eventually cause culture clashes because of non-assimilation. Russia has a birth incentive program and its been shown to work better. I believe that countries should only accept skill based Immigration ( Australian Points System ) and use Birth incentives to grow population.
The odds of twins are 89-1 ? I feel like I havent met nearly enough twins if that's the case.
You probably have. It’s not like it’s the law for twins to spend all their time together.
@@11manxcat sure but you'd expect they'd typically be in the same school while they're school students, at least. And yet I never met any twins in school.
@@Magmafrost13 That seems odd to me. How big was your class? I can't remember ever not having multiple sets of twins in my class of around 600-700.
Do note this doesn't mean identical twins, which are like 100 times less likely. I've met only a handful of those in my life.
That said, the distributions is not uniform: there are places where there are a lot more twins than average. It seems that people can be genetically disposed to twins, for instance. And that maybe some environmental factors can play a role in making them more likely.
There’s a theory (I don’t know if it’s been probed right or wrong) that left handed people were originally twins in the womb, where the egg had split but their twin didn’t survive. It’s possible more people would have been twins but something went wrong
Twins aren't often identical
The woman who recently gave birth to NINE babies certainly deserves a reward!
No she doesn’t.
She’s looking for a reward as the reason.
@@benvallentine7197 You think women give birth to 9 children because there is a one-time reward for it? Are you really that dense?
@@Wustenfuchs109 Not because of a one-time reward, but certainly for the financial rewards. It happens in most countries whereby the government gives financial benefits for each child you have, and some poor people take advantage of that and have as many children as they can in order to reap more financial benefits from the government. And in some cases they keep the money for themselves, instead of using it for the children. Maybe one is dense for not knowing that?
Sounds like Mr Miller was trolling the organisations and the three fella's he left stuff too in his will.
Let's face it, there isn't a country on the planet that would be pleased Nish Kumar managed to reproduce.
Racism?! Orban is actually just about the only politician in europe that's making any sense.
If sense means filling his own pockets, re-writing the Constitution so that he's impossible to be voted out and selling the country to China and Russia while shouting "You communist traitor!" at everybody who doesn't agree with any of that, then sure. "Makes sense"
@@andrew7taylor You just wrote a lot without saying anything, you read that in your SJW news and think it's facts. Weird how Hungarian standards have risen. Weird how Poland was the only country unaffected by economic crisis, and weird how these SJW countries have the highest crime rates.
Nice thumbnail colors
Should have saved this question for when Jimmy Carr is on.
During the history of research on multiple maternities, Hellin's law has played a central role as a rule of thumb. It is mathematically simple and approximately correct, but shows discrepancies that are difficult to explain or to eliminate. It has been mathematically proven that Hellin's law does not hold as a general rule. Varying improvements to this law have been proposed.
well yeah, it doesn't appear to take into acount that twins often run in families, so the odds of a twin pregnancy would be much higher if the mother was a twin, or has twins as siblings.
@@SevCaswell they're not talking about the probability of a randomly chosen individual. They're just talking about the chance of the entire population.
@@L.C.Sweeney Even for entire population, since the matter at hand are related to health and genetic, I would thought that the population's level of fitness, access to healthcare, obesity rate, common diet, race, prevalence of hereditary diseases, presence of genes likely to produce twins etc to be more relevant than mathematics, though I guess as a probability question, its a good baseline.
tbf "don't work in Hungary" is pretty solid advice in general
I wouldn't be against sending Nish Kumar to Hungary.
Better an island in the middle of an ocean
@@mrrrokas He'd probably like that, I don't want him to have a good time, lol.
@@tenacious3911 I dont see much of him, what exactly did he do? Cant find anything online about why he is so disliked
@@whobadwebad9094 ua-cam.com/video/-PAXvqD8Mro/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ThePodcastoftheLotusEaters
Insanely based hungarians.
Now that's cringe! Can you comment some more? this is hilarious!
@@cacamilis8477 Now that's cringe! Can you comment some more? this is hilarious!
@@theclockworkcadaver7025 Now that's cringe! Can you comment some more? this is hilarious!
totally irrelevant but i am in love with sandi’s blouse and i want it desperately
I avoid road tax in England, I bought one of those Jimmy Cars 🚗
Actual answer?
Have influential friends in Fidesz.
Whats wrong with Hungary being populated with Hungarians?
@Bluewolfe Socialists had the exact same policy in Hungary and Eastern Block in general, so back off! Things you are calling "lefty" today are in fact product of right wing political idea. SJW, PC culture and all that shit - a direct product of identity politics that is the basis of far right political ideas. Learn what actual left and right are.
Nish Kumar labels himself as an "alternative comedian" ......... He is quite correct; the alternative to being funny is not being funny
I don't think any country would want him.
Isn’t he dreadful. And that same sneery sarky tone to every line he delivers. Why is he invited to bore our TV screens?
“Ehhhrr, don’t work in Hungary.”
The laughter at Charles Miller is unsettling. Imagine Bezos going "whomever shoves the most can openers into their rectums by Tuesday gets free health care for life."
It's a thin line between 'great practical jokester' and 'plutocratic sadist.'
I feel tricked. Come on QI, you can't put Aisling on the thumbnail to get us here and then subject us to Nish. That's just not fair.
Those pranks are the definition of fuck-you money
China is doing the same, three kids now said Xi Ping !
What's wrong with that Hungarian idea?
The existence of white people is racism to Nish. His only joke is "white people are evil" and "poor white people are the most evil".
About the Hungarian births: Idk what the problem is that people want to hang onto their cultures & ethnicities. Thats what makes us all unique!!!
Well, one problem is that you can perfectly well have Hungarian culture among people who weren’t born in Hungary or whose parents weren’t born in Hungary. Maintaining your own culture doesn’t require suppressing or excluding anyone else’s.
If you would know any the Hungarian government you would know they are actually spreading anti immigrant and racist propaganda, amongst of anti LGBTQ and other hateful ideas
A middle-income country like Hungary with a rare language has never been or will be a very attractive final destination for migrants, anyways. (Most of the immigrants would eventually move on to the richer Western European neighbours if the opportunity arises.)
@@beeble2003 obviously becoming a minority in your own country isnt going to help maintain your culture lmao
@@jpietersen519 Um. Hungary is 94% ethnic-Hungarian. Nine million foreigners could move to Hungary tomorrow and Hungarians would still be in a majority.
Be in the top 1%?
Ideas for my will.
I’m a simple man: i see Aisling, i click.
Nish goes to racism straight away. *Yawn*. One of the most boring and predictable "comedians" I've seen in a long time.
Almost as boring and predictable as your regurgitated opinion
@@yellowbelly7863 At least you agree that Nish is boring and predictable :)
Not just Nish, both women agreed with him.
Not as boring and predictable as the delicate white boys whining about him in UA-cam comments
@@lizastarpeter4295 Ok anti white
Why did Nish have to play the race card here? It ruined what could have been a good segment.
1 in less than a million births is a quintuplet? I dont think so. Google suggests its 1 in 55 mill which sounds a lot more reasonable
I see you, duration of this video.
Nothing wrong with promoting your native population, no worrying problems with culture or religion.
If you're still wondering if the tax exemption policy is racist, the government literally justified it by saying that the world belongs to those who breed the most.
So the goal is to breed Hungarians because they are superior.
More like Aisling Bae amirite?
Orban is a weirdo, but providing financial benefits for more children in light of population decline isn’t “racist.”
Breeding is not an act of racism. Such an idiotic thing to say.
I don't understand what it is about racists where they proudly say racist things but get angry if someone uses the word racism. Everything you said is literally racist.
Saying that one person is preferable to another because of their ethnic background alone is exactly what racism is. Racism is prejudice, it is judging someone from where they come from, or at least from where you think they come from, rather than the content of their character. You don't get to invoke nationalistic pride and say that that makes it non-racist. What you're doing is helping to show why nationalism often ends up being racist.
Kuschmar, or whatever his name is, is as funny as cot death.
but what about the husbands? only women to be permanently exempt from income tax, after they have had 4 children? no mention of sexism ?
A tax allowance is paid directly to the woman to ensure it goes to the person caring for the babies... some fathers are absent, abusive, controlling... etc.
If the couple are together the father gets it too doesn't he. 😉
@@jaygee1868 Paying to the woman to ensure the person caring for the children get it, isnt that a bit backward?
Should it not be paying to the person caring for the children, mother or father?
Lets not get into the whole absent/abusive/controlling, that is 100% NOT limited to fathers or men...
@@ssu7653 payable to the person who gives birth.
If that person gives up parental responsibility, or its removed from them, then the legal guardian can claim it.
Done. 😉
@@jaygee1868 More or less how it is, unless a woman is specific found unfit for raising children she is considered the best option.
Esp considering a woman with 4 kids is likely to be main caregiver of said kids and therefore not available to work much anyways... for a few years anyways.
I’m still waiting on hamza youssef, Scottish whatever, to visit Africa/China/India and tell them they’ve got too many natives and not enough whites.
Virgin Brits vs Chad Hungarians
Imagine trying to avoid taxes in a country that has lowest taxes in Europe...
As a Hungarian I wish, but It's actually the words highest, you just have no idea how taxes works here.
One second hasn't Hungary brought in that law to encourage a younger population to help pay for the aging population in their country Hungary? 🤔 nice race baiting QI.
If it was about having a 'larger younger population' then the govt could increase immigration.
Aisling Bea is freaking gorgeous!!!
Great, another episode of everything is racist.
ok, Karen
@Kevin L Wouldn't crying about it more mean I had to cry about it in the first place?
@@ItsGroundhogDay Someone clearly hasn't read Alice in Wonderland. According to Dr. Hatter et al, "You mean you can't take less. [...] it's very easy to take more than nothing."
Anyway, Hungary's policy IS racist, but that's a good thing. The idea of White folks putting their own race first is only evil according to the people who want to destroy us.
@@RabbiHerschel Race isn't part of the policy, so how can it be racist?
"Breeding as an act of racism" What on actual Earth, is this really the British now?
@Don Fatale Glad to know. Do the tories have favourable media outlets, or is the entire establishment labour-oriented?
@Don Fatale It's a good country, if you have western money.
@Don Fatale Yeah, things like that are easy to say, when you actually have money.
Well, then, what do you think the purpose of such a policy is? Why is Hungary simultaneously trying to get Hungarians to breed and trying to restrict immigration? If population is a problem, why not try to also increase legal immigration? If it's about culture, why not require immigrants to culturally assimilate?
It's not like countries do this sort of thing for fun. They clearly have a reason they have chosen to incentivize larger families. I'm open to the idea that there could be another goal, but "trying to outbreed THEM" is a common strategy used by nationalists.
@@ZipplyZane We already import Chinese by the thousands, it's not like we have closed borders. We oppose taking in loads of refugees. The vast majority of Muslims simply can't integrate here. Also, uh... Y'know... The part of our brain that favours similar people still works.
Segment should have ended after Aislings answer. Honestly brilliant
Hungarian here: It's fake, if you *have* 4 children (not quadriplets! :D) you're tax-free.
Watch two seconds more and they explain this.
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Imagine being so racist against Hungarians that you can't even appreciate it when Hungary passes a law that permanently improves the lives of Hungarian mothers.
Except the guy who put it into law is a proponent of the ‘great replacement’ conspiracy. And the loan is a one-time 27 grand, which would seem great in the short term, so you have three kids, which cost 185 grand EACH to raise, and then what? You have three kids you possibly can’t afford and the 27 grand doesn’t last long. This is a scheme to get desperate women to pump out children with the right physical features that they can’t actually afford to raise with the promise of short-term benefits. Don’t pretend like the guy who spoke out against democracy and introduced prison time for ‘fake news’ and created an internet tax to hide his corruption gives a shit about any one of his citizens
It's outrageous, a law that abolishes taxes on people regardless of their race is super racist! ..somehow.
@@asdasdasdora the law itself isn’t racist, but the guy behind it absolutely is, and if you think he’s doing it out of the goodness of his heart, you’re naive
@@emilybarclay8831 No politicians have good hearts, you're naive for thinking that.
@@emilybarclay8831 Problem: we habe dwindling population. Solution: child benefits. Seems pretty straight forward to me. There is absolutely no bias on race or ethnicity. You have a citizenship? Than you can apply for it! There is nothing on the law from stopping a korean woman from relocating to Hungary, appling for a citizenship, and having 4 babies entitling for said tax policy.
Well they are real Hungarians whether you like it or not lol. Immigrants aren't Hungarian
People can become Hungarian, can't they?
@@zyaicob People can become Hungarian citizens. They can't become Hungarian people. I'm white British and live in Japan. In a year I'm able to claim citizenship. If I get citizenship I will be a Japanese citizen. But I would not be a Japanese person nor would you consider me one. Same shit.
@@-bubby9633 pardon me if this is too personal a question, but why are you trying to obtain Japanese citizenship? It's my understanding that the Japanese government does not allow dual citizenship (a good policy, wish we could apply that to all of the Israeli dual citizens in the US government). Why do you want to renounce your loyalty to the United Kingdom?
@@-bubby9633 See but these same Brits have no problem with Japan's policies, Japan is cute so we don't like to call it racist. Good for Japan, I hope they keep it like that because they sure as hell have a tidy, safe society.
'Encouraging breeding as an act of racism' is not a thing unless you're doing it selectively. Hungary's population is declining, and the population is getting older that's an economical problem as much as anything. Like what they're basically criticizing is child benefits and putting a nasty spin on it because they're clearly looking down East and Central Europeans as a lesser. British people are all too ready to look down on Central and Eastern Europe, while still wielding the legacy of their nightmare colonialist empire, willing to shoot their leg off with Brexit just because of how much they hate immigrant workers. Projecting much
Having a large family is now racist too? Dumbest take I’ve heard this week.
White people continuing to exist is "racist" to these cretins.
Writing a law that gives benefits to large families based on their race is racist. Which doesn't apply here, since the Hungarian law does not discriminate.
Anyway, it was either hyperbole as a joke, based on a misunderstanding of the law, or just plain wrong. The take you represent assumes malice, and it is always better to assume incompetence like so: "This comedian jumped to a stupid conclusion."
@@bramvanduijn8086 Don't play stupid. Their intent is clear as day, and is prevalent throughout the western world. It's plain wrong, but it's not wrong by mistake.
@@bramvanduijn8086 Reading malice from Nish Kumar is not an assumption at all, I'm afraid. Usually you'd be right, but Hanlon's razor does not apply here. Nish absolutely is 100% intentional with his subversive ideological chisel, chipping away at everything it means to be British -- or in this case, Hungarian. He's got a well-documented track record of being an insufferably sanctimonious shitweasel.
@@roberthermann97 even if the viel is fully lifted, wanting your country to be populated by the people who come from there isn't innately wrong. There's a reason esoterics is heavily deep into race. It's important
That man is my hero
“Encouraging breeding as an act of racism.” This is what the world has come to. Idiotic thinking. To quote Bruce Lee “You know what I want to think of myself? As a human being. Because, I mean I don't want to be like as Confucius say, but under the sky, under the heavens there is but one family. It just so happens man that people are different.”
Haha edited.
You have to look at the full picture. If all they wanted was population growth, opening the doors to immigrants would be a much faster way of doing that. A Hungarian woman could increase Hungary's population by four in an instant by letting four foreigners live in her house. Adding four people by having babies will take four or five years.
@@beeble2003 Also newborn children a) cost a ton in education over the future years, whereas immigrants have most of the basics covered already and mostly just need to learn the language and b) don't alleviate the pressure on regions that the geopolitical north has put on the south.
@@beeble2003 Hungry has a small population and a small language and culture, they have only survived this long by being their own people, in the near future upwards of 100 million africans will flea to europe due to egypt and ethiopia going to war over the niles water alone, EU governments are just scrambling to make their decision as after the last 20 years they know they can't even intergrade 10 million africans successfully that quickly. Will be weird to see which choice they make, EU becomes fully anti immigration or Europe as a civilisation stops existing as it currently does. fascinating times
Immigrants though will directly compete for jobs and houses though, reducing living standards. Also I don't know your point about north Vs south really holds water, what pressure is the "North" putting on the South, and why is the South losing people a solution to this?
@@joejones244 How do you know?
Promoting ethnic Hungarians in Hungary instead of importing foreigners to replace them... and the first thing these guys go to is "racism" ok bro.
Promoting one ethnicity over another one is literally the definition of racism. Which part of this is difficult for you?
@@beeble2003 In your definition then, racism has nothing to do with human races. Then everything that only applies to the citizens of a particular country is racism. Then the British are also very racist in not giving British citizenship, social rental housing and benefits to everyone who just asks for it from anywhere in the world.
@@bulcsuvezer9378 Racism is discrimination on the basis of ethnicity or nationality.
@@beeble2003 Racism is discrimination on the basis of citizenship ? Then every single country on earth is racist.
The law makes no reference to either race or ethnicity.
It's modeled after a program Hitler instituted in order to get more Aryans to breed.
When you're on the same side as Hitler then it's time to get off the internet and spend some time outside.
Scum racism from the BBC, who would have thought it.