Norfolk Broads cruiser stuck against Potter Heigham bridge! 26 Aug 2020
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2020
- Wedged against Potter Heigham bridge after apparently trying to turn around and failing to complete the turn, this cruiser become wedged against the bridge and its base.
It looks as if the hire skipper may not have had much basic instruction when picking up the boat, the main clue to this being that he reversed the helm when he went astern, but failed to correct this when he went ahead again, swinging in the wrong direction.
The wind and tide also took him towards the bridge - a factor you really have to remember on a windy day like this.
It's worth remembering that steering only functions when going ahead, and there's a flow of water over the rudder, and that the water you are floating on is also moving, carrying your boat with it. - Розваги
Hee Hee, that bridge has been a great source of entertainment and calamity for years!
From the 60 second mark there's no point at which I can tell what the skipper is intending to achieve
Glad that the bridge pilot was able to help out and if only Potter Heigham could talk.
And I hope that the bridge pilot was able to pass on his/her knowledge to the hire skipper and crew. Great video too.
Thanks, Andrew - considering the date of original build was 1385, we have to thank the original builders and subsequent repairers for their amazing work!
I’ve only just found this video, oh my goodness! What a plonker!
I’ve been there so many times, but with a very good skipper in my ex husband. Even in the early 2000’s it was getting more and more difficult to get under that bridge, we had many holidays where we didn’t get through at all. The pilots are truly amazing! Bless them all. X
It seems clear that the skipper was attempting to turn the boat back around to face into the tide. What was preventing this?
First and foremost, lack of experience. It’s easy for people with boat handling experience to sit in judgement and it’s easy for someone holding a video camera or just spectating to berate their attempts. There is no requirement for skippers of these broads boats to have any previous experience.
Secondly, many of these craft are well over 40 feet long, with very little keel, underpowered engines and single props.
Thirdly, the road they’re used to driving on doesn’t move around. The parking space, neatly painted out with clean white lines remains stationary and so does the route to it. No matter how long they take to get into that spot, nothing changes for them and the wind can blow as hard as it likes too.
So yeah, laugh it up if it makes you feel better about yourselves.
should have hired a much smaller boat
They dont need a driving License and never have.
I can remember me my wife and son sat having a drink at the Wherry Hotel I think, on Oulten Broad. When someone had tied their broadlands cruiser up when the tide was in. Only to sit there and watch as the river level went down and the boat being stranded on rocks.
I know its really funny to take the p*ss. I've been visiting the broads for 30 years. We have our own boat on the River Avon and the things have a mind of their own sometimes. So let's have a laugh...And also a tiny bit of sympathy for the skipper :-)
Looks like a strong cross wind and current pushing the front towards the bridge. These boats don't have much power. The cross wind and current would explain why it looked like the driver gave up half across and into the turn, where the current and wind would have maximum opposing force. The pilot also didn't try just turning around, so there must have been something that was preventing a full turn. Not sure if all boats have a bow thruster or if it was working?
Booked the Broads this year, hope I don't have any embarrassing situations..
Lack of training. Not everybody has instinctive boat handling skills. At least he didn't panic and gun it whacking the stern off the bridge. You wouldn't get away with that on the Shannon with 4kts downstream flow and a breeze to interfere.Lots of charter boats implaced on bridges this August with the river in full winter flood levels.
Did the Skipper experience engine failure or simply fail to navigate? Time to find a new job! one more question: will the Bimini clear the bridge?
Is the sky parentally Grey in Norfolk? Watched 4 vids today all look like rain
The operator gets points for going slowly, at least. But with any current running, or even a good breeze, and minimal sea room, your turns have to be deliberate: planned and executed completely. If there is any doubt about the success of your Plan A, have a Plan B in mind.
The operation seemed to start well. The vessel moved into the channel and appeared to be fully under control as it began its turn upstream. That's no surprise, as the current flowing past the rudder provided additional steerage way. As long as the boat could make way against the current, it could be safely positioned anywhere on the river. It could have been taken upstream somewhere wider and well clear of drifting into danger, then turned around in preparation for shooting the bridge. There it could also have waited for the tide to turn, if the prospect of shooting the bridge seemed too daunting.
Or it could even be allowed to drift backwards very slowly downstream until it passed through the bridge, remaining under control the entire time with ample steerage way plus the ability to draw upstream at any sign of danger.
Instead the initial upstream turn was inexplicably abandoned, leaving the vessel lying across the stream with no way on. There was no immediate risk, but an emerging danger of being carried against the bridge and then having the side deck rolled under. Still, there was adequate room to maneuver, either resuming Plan A or reversing thrust and backing upstream, either of which would have produced ample steerage way. At that point, attempting to proceed forward and swing the bow downstream, in an evidently ponderous boat, would have been unwise, but it might have succeeded if done promptly and deliberately.
Instead, the operator does neither, while the boat drifts into danger. Did the prop foul somehow? The boat seems almost to succeed in backing out of the current and into the calm water alongside the staithe, but doesn't complete that operation either. I understand the concern not to develop excessive way in a heavy boat and overshoot, but there seemed little risk of that with so much sea room behind it.
My best guess is that the operator wasn't familiar with the physics of the situation, especially concerning steerage way. It's all about the flow of water past the rudder. A boat will steer easily against the stream, hardly at all with it, and you have to plan your turns accordingly. Possibly there was some unanticipated problem with reversing as well.
Interesting comments.
I was worried going there a few weeks ago after seeing this as it was my first time but it was so easy to turn there. Didn't he have a bow thruster?
No-one really has any idea on what went wrong!
On the older boats like this one, not always
I had this boat ‘Tobago 2’ the following week after this was filmed and was dreading was state it would be in after I saw this! 😬 ironically it was a heavy boat to steer and I completely misjudged, and subsequently missed, the entrance to HW yard and had to turn before the bridge. Luckily enough I know how to turn a boat around 😂
Looks like a great place to take a picnic for a full day of great entertainment 😀
Well, you might be a bit disappointed! Most hire yards insist on using the pilot, with boats that will fit, and the private owners using the bridge tend to know what they are doing. ;-)
Shame
The wind was probably a bigger problem than the tide. Cabin cruisers generally have a down-by-the-stern trim, which makes the bow more apt to make leeway, in this case frustrating the initial attemp to turn. It won't have helped that the bow was in mid-stream and the stern near the bank, so that the tide would have added to the net forces acting on the bow to frustrate the turn. It's easy to see how this would have confused an inexperienced skipper - who deserves sympathy and some credit for at least doing no damage.
The easier way to depart from the staithe would've been to make fast the port headrope, let go the starboard head and stern ropes, wait for the stern to swing out around 130 degrees under the forces of the wind and tide, let go forward, go slow astern for a few seconds, then put the helm hard to starboard, go full ahead, and make the turn in one go. And yes, hindsight is a wonderful thing...😉
Was there on a similar boat years back...we simply asked the pilot to take us through...no problem.....we did slide the roof back though
At the 1 minute mark, if they'd just kept the wheel hard left while gunning the throttle, it should have turned around no problem - I wonder why they gave up on it mid turn?
Precisely right - who knows what they were thinking?
No wonder there's so much damage done to boats on the Broads. I had a boat, bertherd in Brundall, but had so much damage from the hire fleet, that I sold it. I couldn't take the grief.
I can understand how you feel - many boat hirers try hard to be safe and sensible, but some seem not to give a damn!
I think she panicked when she saw your camera
I can't understand how someone could get it so wrong the river is very wide at that point so wide a 70ft narrowboat could turn there with no trouble 🤔 😆
Tidal river Thurne + inexperienced skipper = disaster waiting to happen.
How are the Broads tidal ??
The Broads are directly conected to the sea at Great Yarmouth. As you get further from that point, the tidal difference decreases, and the high and low water times become later and later. So for example high water at Yarmouth tomorrow is 4pm; and at Potter Heigham it is 4 hours later. The tidal difference, low to high, can be up to a couple metres at Yarmouth, but the tidal range at Potter is much less - a foot or 18 inches, and it can be affected by wind, too. You can find more info on the Broads Authority website.
Where does this skipper to go?
The pilot put him alongside facing downstream and hopped off, leaving him to continue away from the bridge . . .
Wow, turned around there a few times, just lock the wheel over and gentle forward and reverse to spin it, looked like he kept turning the wheel like it was a car!
Pretty well what I thought, Phil - I thought they showed new boaters how to do it?
@@HomemadeTV The "trial run" provided by the hire boat yards is laughable in its inadequacy. 15 minutes and off you go.
I thought pilots were mandatory for hire boats at Potter Heigham?
Yes, they are - apparently required by the hire companies for all hire boats. Privately-owned boat skippers may make their own decisions.
The hire boat in this clip wasn't trying to pass under the bridge..
@@HomemadeTV What on earth were they trying to do!
@@badwolf1965 Turn around . . .
Who t f gets so dirty that the muck comes of in layers??? That is the craziest advert I've ever seeen. Good boating video thoigh
Seen some horrendous boating skills this week
Use the wind to your advantage here there is no current at potter should of pilled the power on and turned it would of come round
You have to be careful here when the tide is coming in and the wind is from the south west.
Should of continued to film, so we know how its done properly. if you are a broads user, you could of pointed out the wrong moves and told us the right moves. as it is the only thing we have learnt by watching this video is that potters bridge can prove to be difficult
I suggest a camping holiday next year ⛺️ Provided someone else puts it up for them 😂
The pilot needs a pilot 🤣
Easy to criticize others but in can be difficult not to do exactly the same as they did when it's your turn to get it right for what might the first time.
Would it even fit under that bridge with the roof up.
No - not with it up or down!
That bridge needs a 2 foot lift
Some people need to stay way from boats
Very true!!
They Have not got a clue At that Bridge You Need To Think About The Wind Tide And current
In charge of boats my god lol
Indeed . . . best buy a steel one! ;=)
Trouble is that to drive a car you have to undergo training and pass a test. To fly a plane is an even bigger test and training. With a boat you get 10 minutes if you’re lucky! Many people are not exactly expert at driving a car so why expect them to instantly be an expect at handling a boat.
4:00 "I meant to do that..."
How to complete a 100,000 point turn manoeuvre in a boat. lol
The springtime for Hitler of boating.
Remind me, how many blasts of a horn is it for 'what the **** are you doing?"
FIVE (or more); Article 34(d) of the Collision Regulations says: When vessels in sight of one another are approaching each other and from any cause either vessel fails to understand the intentions or actions of the other, or is in doubt whether sufficient action is being taken by the other to avoid collision, the vessel in doubt shall immediately indicate such doubt by giving at least five short and rapid blasts on the whistle.
@@HomemadeTV Thanks. Shame they are quiet moorings. From all those boats at once, that would have been quite a sound.
The man or woman at the wheel realy doesn't know what he / she is doing
The p10nkers in the wooden boat didn't help, shuffling backwards and forwards whilst he made the initial turn, happily all turned out well.
Not sure why you'd blame them, no one can tell what he's trying to do so they're not able to anticipate what he's about to do.
I thought the wooden yacht was getting away before it got hit by the plastic broads cruiser.
Not plonkers, in those yachts you are alweays trying to anticipate what the crusiers are doing as they have way more engine power than you
how on earth did they actually make it down from richos yard lol .
Bounced from bank to bank or boat to boat?🙄
I know covid caused all of the UK to all to head to the broads
Would love to find a statistic for the cost of repairs for last year for boats
Terrible
@@craigcullen8900 Yep, it was a nightmare.
It's always the same big car or big boat a small brain in a waste of space.
Ffs 😂 😂 😂 😂 hand the boat in lad...... Please tell me u ain't got a car
Dont worry i seen worse 😂i went on holiday to the norrfork broads in October last year and one night i just lookes out the boat window and these people kept crashing their boat into the reeves many times that was my 3vening etertainment sorted 😂x
Entertaining stuff!
Another incompetent skipper!
Easy to comment. Those boats do not handle very well at all.
He hasn’t got a clue
Must have been drunk
Absolutely clueless!
Often boats will turn better to port than starboard, due to “propwalk”. The skipper was turning to starboard, but the rotating prop was trying to kick the stern to starboard, add to that the wind and tide, he could not make the turn. If he had turned to port, the effect of propwalk would have helped by kicking the stern to starboard and he could have made a nice tight turn. Simples.
I don't think he had the vaguest idea of what he was doing. As far as propwalk is concerned, it depends on the direction of rotation (or handing) of the prop - which way it turns. I think the biggest problem was "gear before steer" - going ahead before steering, "steer then gear" means that the propwash is immediately deflected before putting way on the boat. There's a useful guide to rudder and prop effects from the RYA here: www.rya.org.uk/knowledge-advice/cruising-tips/boat-handling-sail/Pages/thof-rudders-props-and-propwalk-saile-effect.aspx
@@HomemadeTV That's a great vid
Except turning to starboard was exactly the wrong thing to do, so not an excuse.
I’ve written to the Broads Authority many times over the years about women at the helm. It’s getting quite dangerous.
Was a man at the wheel . .
You're treading a dangerous path!
@@ratmanbug they must be supervised if let at the helm.
Maybe the camera guy should shut the hell up with stating the obvious, OYEAH the humming is irritating aswell.
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Maybe a donkey could turn that boat around with no issues and the camera guy is pointing out the obvious 🤷🏻♂️
@@craigcullen8900 yeah but he doesn't need to keep stating the bloody obvious 🤣🤣
@@jonnyjones5201 that wasn't you at the helm Jonny was it?
@@furious32ninja haha nope it I was there I would have hopped aboard & got the boat out of there not that complicated.