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Ben Shapiro debate me
Indeed!
Defender of the Revolution doubt it
Philosophy Tube What?!!!??!!
I've been a champion of the idea that "refusing to debate an insufferable idiot does not mean you 'concede' to them" every time a fascist tries to debate me on twitter.
He'd never do that
The only flaw in your imitation is that you didn’t say “let’s say” enough
Also throw in alot of 'hypothetically'
Cody Johnston makes me creamy.
Let's say, for instance, hypothetically, that Ben Shapiro was, hypothetically, let's say, trapped in, for instance, a sex dungeon, hypothetically.
Something about the government forcing you at gunpoint to feed the poor.
You didn’t remind us of your wife, who is a legit doctor 👩⚕️ 🤣
"There was a nasty fire"
Ok, I'm down for the Abby Cinematic Universe
the subtitles even call him the Arsonist
@@tylerd8289 He refers to the character as "the arsonist" multiple times, out loud, during the video.
Hbomb is also in this universe and that's wonderful
@@gaaalavant I wouldn't know, I have to read the subtitles, therefore I only know what the subtitles say lol
1:44 don't forget The Daily Fire. I'm loving it!
I was 16 years old in 1973. I marched in Pro-Choice marches. I can't believe I have to do this all over again at 65 years old. Well presented. Thank you, Abby.
Christ that's pretty depressing, history repeats itself
Which country is that -- USA? Just curious for context.
@@Terra_Lopez Yes. The USA. The place where bodily autonomy has gone to die, but won't if we continue to fight for it (which I plan to do, again.)
@@nyasiamaire Good on you! I'm lucky to live in New Zealand. But my attention is on America.
@@nyasiamaire the body autonomy is as present as it's ever been. You're trying to take it away from the unborn baby by killing them before asking what they want to be done to their body.
I had a devoted anti-abortion CATHOLIC relative actually say "my body, my choice" when it came to any potential covid vaccine mandates, either by employer or government.
They say it as an attempted "gotcha" against people in favour of abortion rights, not because they actually agree with it.
It shows the hypocrisy of pro abortion advocates ..... they don't really care about "bodily autonomy" it's just an excuse
The irony 🤣😭
@mr.goldfish1530 oh they definitely agree with it in the context of forced vaccination, just not pregnancies
@@mr.goldfish1530 They do? I didn't know. Damn.
"Speaking of grotesque medical horror that pushes the boundaries of taste: Here's Dennis Prager"
Lost my absolute shit.
The pause between the sentences was the best part of it hahahah
“Horrible aliens who kill men for sport...and the Predator...”
I have a major issue with that, actually: Prager is *way* beyond the boundaries of taste.
I live in the U.S, and here you have to opt in to organ donation when you register for a driver's license. The default option is no, and if you say no the doctors can't harvest your organs no matter how many people need them.
And while I am a donor, it's still really scary that I technically have more agency over what happens to my corpse than I do over my body while I'm still alive.
UPDATE: found out today that some states ( including the one I live in) have laws that can overide an advance directive and keep a person on life support against their will if they are even a month pregnant. My CORPSE could be forced to carry a fetus against my will..... I hate this country so much.
I’m gonna be honest like I think that’s fine. I believe in total bodily autonomy while you’re alive but when you’re dead you don’t exist anymore. I’m not like against following someone’s wishes after they die I think it’s polite and feels good to show someone that kind of respect but like Abbi said in the video that doesn’t mean fetuses don’t have any moral value, so idk if it means someone gets to be born and a dead persons wishes are broken I care more about the fetus. Same goes for organ donation, I don’t super respect withholding your organs that could save a life. Like you’re dead, there’s no autonomy for you and your body bc you’re gone and your body is just a thing now that can save lives.
To be clear I wouldn’t hate someone or think they’re evil if they choose to not donate their organs and waste their whole body in burial or cremation or whatever. Like I get why people do it, usually for religious reasons, and I can empathize with the feeling. I just think it’s the wrong decision if you value kindness and support for other people.
.....easy, migrate out to another country then. And yes it does occur that donors are let to slide for a harvest.
Dead peoples' right to bodily autonomy weighs more than a pregnant woman's right to her own uterus.
@@jongyaI agree, that sounds fine.
The Arsonist is one of the most effective and terrifying characters I've ever seen performed and Abby executes it beautifully every step of the way.
Holy shit, I was just rewatching the Steve Bannon video, and heard this:
"Here it says, "family of four burned alive". Two little girls and a mother and father charred to a crisp and they have no idea who did it."
This is a goddamn prequel and YOU CAN'T CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE!
Fuck
asgubyhdcashjkdbTHE LORE RUNS DEEP
You what the fffffuuuuuuuu
It should be obvious, Olly is untethered in time
He’s even reading the same newspaper at the beginning when the guy wakes up.
I got a Ben Shapiro ad before this video and for a good minute I let it play because I thought it was a cold open for the video
Literally.... same...
Wait wtf is up with this guy above me
mike bob sorry sir, but what the fuck?
Christine Uh I’m guess it’s “that’s unbelievable for and also women are barely human and lie all the time”
Which is weird in a whole lot of gross ways, but also I likewise got a Ben Shapiro ad before this so it’s not even a little bit implausible that you were telling the truth?
I also got one for one of his friend's Chanel being demonized.
This aged like fine wine.
Just watched it for the first time. Knew all the arguments already, but never seen them presented so... vividly.
Though with this video and a couple of others, part of me is always distracted thinking 'tee hee, I know that venue'. :D
Vitanera propongo un video in italiano sul tema! Alcuni poor bastards della PENISola italica non conoscono la lingua inglese e un pó di informazioni e prospettive esterne aiuterebbero gli italiani a capire meglio la questione sull'aborto
Sadly.
Whitedeath, is that you?
AYOOOOOOO MORTE BIANCAAAAAAA WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW * suoni animaleschi da persona che vede il proprio idolo *
I am pro choice, but when asked to describe why I sort of just wave my hands and say "a fetus isn't a person". It never occurred to me to ask people "to what extent should you give up your bodily autonomy for another person". It feels really obvious now, but this video explained why and I really appreciate how succinctly Abby did so.
Let's picture the following scenario: You and your friend decide to take a fishing trip far from land. You use your boat. Efter a few hours of fishing you suddenly decide you wish to be left alone and thus force your friend to leave the boat. As a result the friend will drown. Did you have a moral right to act in such a way? It's after all your boat and should you not have the right to control who stays on it? Or are you morally obligated to let him stay on the boat even if it becomes an inconvenience until you're back at shore?
We can expand the example. Let's say you're a watching the scene above from your ship. The person is left struggling in the water while the owner of the boat is sailing away. Do you have an obligation to help the drowning man? A moral obligation? A legal obligation?
The situations are in a way rather similar, either the first boat owner brings the friend to shore or the second one does. If not the person will die. But a court would judge the situations very differently.
This brings me to my conclusion: getting pregnant means becoming the only viable mean for the fetus/friend staying alive/reach shore. When you became pregnant you gave up your right to control that part of your body in a similar manner as you gave up your total right to your boat when you invited your friend over. The example with the violinist are more akin to the expanded example. It's a good deed to help the drowning person, but you're not legally obligated to do so if it means a substantial inconvenience or risk to your life or your plans.
@@SweBeach2023 forcing someone to keep people on their boat is not a violation of bodily autonomy, It doesn't require the state to seize your controll over own body. And "shopping" someone to shore is not as demanding of you as having a pregnancy. It doesn't even endanger your health.
"A court would judge the situation differently" It depends. In some places this kind of failure to rescue is basically as bad as murder.
"When you became pregnant"
What if someone didn't want to be pregnant then? What if they didn't even want to have sex?
"You're not legally obbligated to do so if it means a substantial inconvenience or risk to your life or plans"
I completely agree. But a pregnancy does mean a substantial inconvenience or risk to your life or plans.
That's why i'm pro choice.
@@SweBeach2023 but this video never made a case for absolutism in regards to bodily autonomy now did it?
@@SweBeach2023 Firstly, thank you for spending the time to respectfully defend your viewpoint. (I mean that sincerely.)
Secondly, to the scenario:
"Did you have a moral right to act in such a way?"
Not enough information yet for me to determine.
"It's after all your boat and should you not have the right to control who stays on it?"
Yes, I would argue that legally you should have the right to control who stays on it.
"Or are you morally obligated to let him stay on the boat even if it becomes an inconvenience until you're back at shore? "
Are you arguing the /morality/ of the situation or the /legality/? Morality and legality are two different concepts. They can overlap and intertwine, but they are fundamentally different. I will answer both. Morally, I'd give you should seek to prevent the loss of life. But to what end? If the friend absolutely refuses to leave the boat, are you morally obligated to stay? If so, for how long? Should the friend be allowed to manipulate you into staying on the boat by holding their potential death over you? Legally, it is your boat. If the friend refuses to exit it, are you not then able to call the police and obtain their assistance in removing them from the boat? If they die as a result, should you be held legally accountable for murder?
"It's a good deed to help the drowning person, but you're not legally obligated to do so if it means a substantial inconvenience or risk to your life or your plans."
Exactly. Pregnancy can be "a substantial inconvenience or risk to your life or your plans". So, if you are not legally obligated to save them in the second scenario, why would you be legally obligated in the first? (If the answer is because you initially chose to be on the boat with your friend and the captain who happens upon the friend didn't, I'd be interested in hearing your take on that.)
So murder an innocent child?
"I dont hate women, i married one."
(c) Ben Shapiro
Zach Dauman Kinda like the “I’m not racist, I have a black friend” haha
She might had the pressure of being perfect
@@arthurmorgan3260 I prefer, "You're racist," because, "You don't have have a black partner"
You may be thinking, NOT a single person has ever said that.
I've heard it over 10 times, don't know why I'm told this so much
when you hate women so much you marry a man but that's gay so you marry yourself but you're technically still marrying a man so you just give up and stay single
Arthur Morgan beat me to it
*Starts video*
"Did I accidentally leave the playback speed up? Oh no wait he's impersonating Ben Shapiro." lol
haha also almost checked the settings for 2x speed
Charlize Lilly yup, same lol. He did that waaay too well.
Yeah I had to slow down the video to understand what he was saying.
i watch videos at 1.25x speed by default so his ben shapiro stuff made me feel like i was having a stroke
I swear I thought the same thing
"The fact that I want it is enough!" That always gets me.
It got me so deep too. I feel that she's channeling her own emotion. In the UK, trans people need doctors permission to transition. You need to convince the doctors you're really trans; that you have a "good reason" for wanting to transition.
Given the recent events in the US, I needed to watch this again.
SAME!
Bro doubled up on the agitprop
This comment is even more relevant now
Given the very recent events, indeed.
Yup. I spent the day of the ruling getting blitzed doing shots, and watching this video and the Fundie Fridays one.
Most compelling villains
2018: Killmonger
2019: The Arsonist
(2017: Frida)
What about Housing Crisis?
killmonger: strangles an old lady just in case you thought he wasn't evil
The arsonist: is british just in case you thought he wasn't evil
2018: Thanos
The fuck would make you think killmonger was compelling?
@@TheLANMAC none of the was wrong and at least one was not a villain. I let you decide which
Abortion & Ben Shapiro? I agree in theory, but the dude is 35 years old.
87eargasm no he’s a child in a trench coat isn’t he
Bah...you and your ethics.
Is he really? He barely looks 18.
anything earlier than 150 trimesters is fine
Laws exist to be changed. Clearly Ben Shapiro is the result of a legal oversight and the mistake has to be rectified.
“Ben Shapiro is the cool kids philosopher. He’s the philosopher for kids who really want to think they’re cool.” True shit right there.
Adult edgelord.
Complete nonsense, which he proves by not being able to address a single his arguments without making a logical fallacy.
32:47 my dad was fighting with brain cancer and two brain tumors for 7 years. at the end of his fight he was taking a medicine (I believe it was called avastin [could also be termodal]) that slowly killed his heart because of the side effects
so cutting the story shot he was having short heart attacks and the neurologist told him the chest pain he was feeling was because his heart was failing due to his medication and that he could either forbid the medication and die due to the expansion of the tumors in a couple years or continue the medication and die due to a heart attack in whatever time it took
he decided to continue the medication and died like a month later… it was his choice and I can still see his corpse when I close my eyes, because he died in front of me but it was his choice
I believe in body autonomy, everyone owns their body and what to do it
Philosophy Tube DESTROYS Ben Shapiro with feelings and vulnerability
@Spinach and Scenery And it's not like feeling feels is bad. We're emotional beings. Just as much as we are rational beings, religious beings, political beings etc.
@@CDexie We're more emotional than rational. Most every human belief stems from you making an emotional decision, then attempting to use reason to justify the decision you've already made.
@@CDexie rationality is based on emotions. People with high emotional intelligence will make more rational decisions in most cases.
@Spinach and Scenery Frankly, most political opinions are at some level. That doesn't mean they can't be based on facts, and should. But reason free from passion is, at best, an impossible ideal.
@Spinach and Scenery Because they use the word "emotion" to describe only those emotions they consider to be a weakness. Power and aggression are also emotions but they don't use that word for them.
"I don't hate women, I married one"
"I'm not racist, my dog is black!"
I don't hate slaves, I own several...
Rocco Anders 😆 Haven’t heard that one. I’m stealing it. Yonk!!!
Ben "my wife is a doctor" Shapiro
"I don't hate Jews, I own several"
-Adolf Hitler
Ben Shapiro considering himself a pious Jewish man while being an outspoken anti-abortion advocate is...interesting. The VAST majority of Jewish teachings on when life begins usually coincide with the "pro-choice" perspective, that it occurs when a baby "draws its first breath". From a religious viewpoint, it likely stems from Genesis 2:7
There is also the principle of Pikuach Nefesh, which states that Jewish law becomes null and void when someone's life is in danger. Even if abortion were regarded as unholy in Judaism (it generally isn't), performing an abortion to save a woman's life is not only allowed but REQUIRED by Jewish law.
Being fair to him, Ben Shapiro does not base his opinions on abortion on his Jewish beliefs
Look religion is outdated and its not good to base any moral beliefs from it
@@elda7153 I think he does base it at least partly on his jewish beliefs, but doesn't use them as arguments to justify his viewpoint.
But how exactly are all abortions necessary to save one's life?
Those are just rare cases in which we all agree that abortion is in fact necessary. This seems to be a full fledged strawman argument to me.
Not only because you only focused on one specific scenario, but also because you chose for Ben what his reasoning is.
He explicitly said, multiple times, that he bases his opinions on this subject on science.
His reasoning is more or less: "science proved that fetuses are in fact already living human beings in the making, just like a teenager is an adult in the making. The right of a human being at any stage of his/her life is more important than any need of (in my opinion delusional) perception of freedom of its parents in the best case scenario. And the need to defend and maintain unhealthy sexual habits that correspond to have frequent unprotected sex with strangers in the worst case scenario.
Many others simply see this as a political statement. Not really engaging in the morals and ethics of this topic.
He then says that since science proved that fetuses are human beings, and one of the commandments is "Thou shall not kill" he sees religion as part of his moral reasoning, but it's not the foundation of it.
And, as a final clarification, this overturning of Roe V Wade doesn't state that abortion is now illegal.
It simply states that it's not a constitutional right of US citizens, but in the constitution there isn't written that it's prohibited either.
People will still be able to choose if they want an abortion or not.
Therefore making all the noise about this case a quite simple case of "leftist psychotic tantrum".
And just to clarify, I'm not American, I'm not Christian (I'm a Jewish agnostic), and I'm against making abortion illegal for everyone (which again, it's not what actually happened), but I'm also against how abortion has became a political statement, how the science and morality of it is discounted by leftists and feminists, and by how some people normalized it so much that they act as if it was a natural, normal and positive thing.
An abortion is a traumatic event, whether they are able to admit it or whether they prefer to hyper-compensate with crazy tantrums of all sorts.
@@magnumopus1628 look hear me out aint no such things as jewish as in religion and agnostic also
When discussing this issue I often bring up a scenario I read once: the fire at a fertility clinic. Suppose you were at a fertility clinic when a fire broke out. You had to make a choice to save either a frozen embryo or a month old baby. Which would you choose? One would hope you'd save the baby.
Now suppose the choice was between the baby and a container with ten frozen embryos. Or perhaps one hundred. Or ten thousand.
A rational person should be able to see there is a difference.
Except there is no need for anyone to die when dealing with abortion. You are also saying that objects that have less value than other objects have no value.
@@JohnJohn-yp5vp But you see, don't you, that a live, born, breathing baby is very different from an embryo.
@@kirklarson4536 1#, this completely fails to address my points made above. Are you admitting that your analogy was useless?
2#, Your entire point right now is that since two things are different one must have less value than the other. This is a false-dichotomy, and nothing more.
@@JohnJohn-yp5vp so what would you choose in that situation? kill 10 "human" or 1?
@@JohnJohn-yp5vp The analogy is not useless. Are you admitting you'd leave the baby to burn?
1] The Arsonist is a recurring character? YES. PLEASE.
2] "I never said she survived". Yikes.
Who knew an arsonist would be such a versatile character!
"I didn't say she survived" hit me like a ton of bricks.
Thank you! I thought I was the only one. I choked up pretty bad.
@@xaviercosme1284 My mind went flat out ohhhh damn
Honestly was really glad I saw this comment early on and was expecting it might have been about that so it was... Less shocking.
That seriously sucks though.
Admittedly, it's a damn good example to make the point about body autonomy... In some ways it seems irrelevant to this discussion, but yet it shows the flip side of how much having a choice about our own bodies and treatment options matters, not only in terms of who lives but also in terms of having the right to choose risks in our lives...
There's that song by I think Janis Joplin sings it... I was never a big fan of it, yet it tends to pop in my mind at various moments in life, the noteworthy words being, "freedom's just another word for 'nothing left to lose'".
I used to mull those words around in my head as a child, trying to understand them. They didn't seem logical to me. Until one day, I suddenly realized the meaning and the truth behind it, and throughout my life, I've had many moments of loss when the words have come back to me, ringing with truth.
I'm not sure why I felt like sharing that, as I'm thinking logically now that it doesn't seem to cover the topic at hand, yet it seems like in a way it's still relevant, though admittedly I'm not entirely sure how to explain why. That tends to be true when the words come to mind, but eventually it's like my logical mind will get caught up with whatever part of my mind is responsible for determining the appropriate mental sound track for a moment.
I've always taken stock and been thankful that I do still have plenty to lose. As much as I've lost... There's still always been significantly more that I still have, and I'm thankful for that. When I originally sought to understand the lyrics, I thought it was referring to possessions or finances, which is why I didn't get it... It seemed like one could potentially be freer if you were loaded with money than broke and starving... Not that wealth is at all the same as happiness, and arguably happiness and freedom are entirely different, though ideally they would co exist... It seems like they seem equal when we think about about them, as if freedom equals happiness, though if truely being free means you've got nothing left to lose, I'd argue that joy and freedom are very different... I still wouldn't argue that they aren't related, as I don't think one can generally be but so happy if they aren't free, in the sense of being free from captivity, and I guess to tie back into the topic at hand, free to have a certain level of personal bodily autonomy.
That's not to say people can't experience moments of happiness in whatever their situation... It's said that Anne Frank found some moments of joy in being able to be outdoors when she was at the camp she ended up dying in, and I've seen many situations which are not happy, but people still manage to find some ways to find a way to experience some joyful moments still. Though it's not really the same as being happy in that situation. My sis would be cracking jokes and we'd find any way we could to be goofy and find ways to have happiness during her extensive time in the hospital, many many times, in the last two years she was alive, she spent around half of it in hospital, and she wasn't even treated very well by many doctors and that's not the point I'm trying to make, it's been a little over a year since I lost her and it seems like she's not really gone and yet... She definately is, and it doesn't matter that she was treated horribly by many people and she... Honestly I think if doctors had met her even halfway and even somewhat managed her pain, she would still be here and she'd be ok, but there's nowhere to fine an appeal, and as young as 24 is to die, I know there's young children who die... There was the 16 year old girl who got the lung transplant, and that certainly seems worthy of appeal.
Yet, I can understand why she would have chosen the surgery. While I obviously don't know anything beyond what was stated in this video, it seems likely that she could have had CF, though I guess it isn't relevant...
I can understand why someone would choose to risk the surgery, though. I know that only the most urgent needy cases are offered the limited organs avalible, so it's likely she was dying regardless, just at a slower rate than I gather occurred as result of the surgery. She was likely afraid of the risk of dying (not to mention, I'd have to be pretty damn despairate even if not for the other risks, to sign up to have my chest and ribs... Yeah. That can't feel good or be an easy recovery).
But it seems like she was choosing to take the risk in order to get to *live*... Not just in the literal sense, but in the sense of being able to live life rather than constantly fight to manage to barely keep surviving.
Yet I also know that often the able bodied population assumes it would be miserable to have a severe chronic condition or disability... There's definately the idea among many that if they reached a certain level of impairment, they'd rather die, and that's clearly another topic (though also not really), but I realize I'm rambling and I've got migraine moving in so idk what my overall point is, I'm fairly sure I didn't say it, haha... I guess it's just interesting to think about these things.
The more I learn, the more I know I don't know, and maybe if I have a point, it's just that everything exists along a spectrum, and we are each individuals, so everything really is much more in a gray area than the binary way of thinking that tends to be much more emotionally comfortable.
And often it seems we assume that laws should be moral, and I suppose I'd agree with that, or rather at least that laws should not be immoral. There's plenty of instances where I feel like the ethical choice should not be legally required, though, and I think that's where people often butt heads on those that seem like the big ticket items morally speaking.
Laws and ethics shouldn't be entirely separate of course, but I think it's easy to see things more straightforward than they are.
Even with the topic of abortion, I think too often it's assumed that laws are able to dictate behavior, yet when looked at objectively, making abortion illegal does not equate with it not still occurring. Heck, most of us see ourselves as never breaking laws, but that's not objectively true if you've ever ignoring speed limit while driving. I mean, heck, I suppose to a point that's not really a relevant argument since murder is also illegal, yet people still do it, and the vast majority of people would agree that murder is wrong and should be illegal.
Maybe it's worth thinking about *why* murder is widely accepted as not just wrong and immoral but also illegal. I guess because we would not want people to be able to murder, and since it's a severe crime, when someone murders and is caught, they are sent to jail hopefully long enough that the public is safe from future murders from them. I know murder seems like an obvious thing to make illegal, and I agree, I guess I'm just wondering what qualities make it so clearly accepted as something that should be illegal, since it seems like it would help to consider those reasons in other contexts. Even if we think about why murder is such a widely accepted horrible crime, it seems worth thinking about it independent of other crimes, and then questioning if the same logic can be applied in other behaviors that some think should be crimes.
It would be interesting to consider if abortion would be seen as the same level of crime as murder to those who believe it is the same action... I'd imagine that most the reasons we generally lock up murderers wouldn't be the same reasoning if applied to abortions. Even if it seems like the same crime to someone morally, I think most people would not be afraid to have someone who's had an abortion walking around as a free person vs if someone had murdered a person in the traditional sense. The person who's had an abortion doesn't seem to pose a likely risk to the public, vs murderer... I would be concerned about, haha.
Especially after the sperm machine joke
This video is what convinced me to be pro choice. I had already gotten to the point where I was alright with other people getting abortions in the sense that that was legal and they can make their own choices, but morally and philosophically I was still pro life, and had a really hard time “excusing murder”.
All philosophical objections aside, the autonomy argument has its limits, if true it shows that abortion should not be illegal, but it doesn’t show that it’s moral.
I’ll use a similar but more accurate version of the argument: ‘you shouldn’t be forced to give blood to your child, even if doing so is the only way to save their life’.
While true that you can’t be forced to save your child’s life most people would accept that letting your child die when you have the sole ability to save them is highly immoral. And wouldn’t those around them do their best to persuade that person to save their child? You wouldn’t just praise their ability to choose to let them die.
@@swihun8930 It seems as though you just made a pro-choice argument and agreed with it? I, personally, have a severe phobia of surgery beyond belief. Why would I be forced, by law, to forgo my individual bodily rights? Surgery terrifies me beyond belief.
@@TheLegendOfRandy I’m not making a legalistic point. For the sake of argument that I concede that you cannot make abortion illegal just as you cannot force someone to donate blood to save their child’s life.
I’m saying that abortion would still be immoral, autonomy is what you should be allowed to do, it doesn’t make something right. If you can save your child and choose not to this is an immoral action.
In your case, imagine you were a bone marrow match for a close family member. You wouldn’t be legally obliged to donate bone marrow to save their life but I think we’d both agree it would be the right thing to do. And that others around you should encourage you to do the right thing and work around your fear of surgery in any way possible.
If you’re pro-choice because of the autonomy argument but don’t object to the point that a foetus is an innocent human being (and your own child at that) then you should oppose abortion morally just as much as any pro-lifer. You should seek to reduce abortion in any way that you can, not get one yourself, and encourage others around you not to get one either.
@@swihun8930 This argument only works up until the point when the fetus becomes viable outside the womb. People who support late term abortion would be actively murdering the child who might have survived without its mother, and therefore under your argument that should be illegal
@@swihun8930Your argument brings up some interesting questions. If the only moral option is that the mother donates bone marrow to her child, then does this moral obligation apply only to one's children? One's relatives? Does it matter whether you know the person or not? If donating your bone marrow could save the life of someone you'll never meet, are you morally obligated to make that donation? After all, what makes your genetic lineage more important, more deserving than someone else's?
Additionally, if we're considering a person's innocence (or perhaps "worthiness" would be a better word, since my understanding is that what makes a fetus innocent is that they've done nothing wrong?), who's decision should it be to determine whether someone is deserving enough or not, and what criteria should be used? Must they have a clean criminal history? Be without parking tickets? Sufficiently contribute to society? Believe in the right religion? Follow the right sports teams? What makes one person more worthy of life than another?
And what if it's not bone marrow, but a kidney, or a portion of your liver? All medical and surgical interventions carry risks - up to and including death. The same is true for pregnancy. Are you morally obligated to risk you life (or die) for someone else? What does that say about the worth of your life compared to theirs?
Lastly - and not so much a question as an observation - you imply that if a person is pro-choice, then it must also be true they do not seek to reduce the frequency of abortions, as if the two are mutually exclusive. Looking at the data, banning or restricting abortions isn't a particularly effective way to decrease the rate at which they occur (they simply go underground at that point and you end up with a lot more dead pregnant women). Much more effective methods include ensuring high-quality age-appropriate sex education (i.e. younger kids learn about things like consent, and older kids learn about their changing bodies, how sex works, etc), access to effective birth control, access quality healthcare, and access to services such as childcare, paid maternity and paternity leave, food assistance, etc. Most of the pro-choice people I know are for many, if not all, of those things - and bodily autonomy. Supporting one does not preclude the other.
Damn, Abigail. I've only just started working through your older content, and this is hands-down the most powerful argument for the right of bodily autonomy I've ever seen.
to be fair, i don't think she devised it. it's from the paper cited.
This is my favorite episode of Black Mirror
What is your mum was a mobile?
My favorite episode is the current reality
I was thinking the same thing.😆
It's actually better than any episode of Black Mirror.
LMFAOOO
"I'm not Evangelical, I was raised Baptist" got me to absolutely *cackle.*
I don't know about this stuff would you please explain it to me why it's funny
A. Dola MgMk “Evangelicals” refers to a certain type of Christian, specifically part of certain sects in the Southern United States. Baptists fit perfectly into the category of Evangelicals, so saying “I’m not Evangelical, I was raised Baptist” is absurd on multiple levels.
As someone raised baptist: most Baptists don't see themselves as evangelical.
We also all learned the Roman Road, an evangelical technique, in Sunday school at my church.
@@travdump209 thank you so much!
@@eterlinblue99 i totally agree! i almost mentioned how i've never met a Baptist who didn't think mission work was important (because "spreading god's word"/evangelis, is a huge part of baptism), but I figured the Roman Road comment would get my point across! In case you aren't aware, the Roman Road is a series of verses that's sort of the first line a lot of Christians use when trying to convert someone.
I was just making a joke about how we all didn't think we were evangelical, but we were teaching kids (and learning as kids) how to proselytize and, yeah, evangelize.
Weirdly, before I saw this or heard of this scenario, I have made the same argument. Only mine is a little more personal.
Because I was born with a Kidney Disease, one you can ONLY acquire from either your family or a freak genetic mutation; it is genetic, there is no other way to developed it. However, I have a mom who - while all around great - is very Christian and very moral and so is one of those people that believes if you get sick then God deems it so. And so she feels that rhus is something I caused myself. She says it's because I took so many NSAiDs in my early 20, seemingly having completely blocked from her mind that I took them because of pain caused by the cysts, and while it was certainly not the smartest thing to do, I'm fairness to me I was in a crippling amount of pain. See even though it's a kidney disease, those cysts can spread anywhere including gallbladder (destroyed), liver (nearly destroyed), stomach (ulcerated which is a nice way to say part was destroyed) And yet even while they had to go in and remove my gallbladder as wel as part of my liver and later part of my stomach, I still relied on NSAIDS and over OTC medications because no doctor wants to hear about your pain.
The cysts can even form on your brain (though they only told me this whenl I was 33 at which point I was told I needed an MRI and when I asked why I'd never heard about this before they said - honest to God -if i had an IMPORTANT job like a pilot they would have been doong them regularly.... Nothing like hearing your just not important enough to both to save!)
My parents even sat with me at my nephrologist when I was 20ish and listened as it was explained that this was caused by a gene mutation I was born with, but I think it brings my mom comfort, believing it's something I did to myself.
So when this debate comes up I ask a very simple question: when they first caught this, when I was 15, should my mom have been forced to give up a kidney to save me? At that point both of my kidneys worked fine; it would have saved me decades of pain and hospital visits, I wouldn't have lost some very good jobs because your boss tends not to like it when you vomit blood all over their floor and get out in ICU for two weeks and then hospital for three more. What about now that it's gotten worse?
What about in 10 years, when I will be 45 which is about five years over my life expectancy without a kidney transplant, but of course no one wants to go that far until it's absolutely necessary. Should my 70 year old mother be forced to give me her kidney? She's already stated she won't, because in her mind I did this to myself.
The only reply I ever get is, well, an unborn child hasn't done anything wrong! They have endless potential! So.... So what, I did something wrong, being born with a mutation I had no control over? Are you saying I don't have potential? None of them will admit that, no, you're already born and so it would be pointless to force someone even in your own family for you because you're old enough to die. At 16 you were old enough to die because no one cares about saving you.
That's hard. I see you. I wish that hadn't happened and I wish your family and health system were better. Take care.
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This is literally the video that made me stop being an anti-abortion absolutist. It took a while after I watched it, but this was the argument that changed my mind.
Really, this video is just bad faith arguing, and strawmans, he misrepresents his positions multiple times he’s prostate force pregnancy, which is just absolute nonsense and that’s not his position he’s never implied that’s his position, that’s just a flat out lie, The production quality in the video is amazing, but the analogy and the argumentation is awful.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Shabibo wants state forced pregnancy, that’s what being pro-life is. Not very libertarian of him.
@@marajade9573 Again another regurgitated pro-choice talking point, if you believe in limited government how come you are against abortion, because governments fundament Job is to protect people, it’s a perfectly consistent position, that’s like sayingIf you’re for limited government and how come you’re against human trafficking.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 Women government? Wtf are you even talking about? And I don’t consider embryos or fetuses to be people. Even if they were, they don’t have any right to infringe on a woman’s right to bodily autonomy. And before you say that the woman is infringing on their right to life, she isn’t. She’s removing it from her body. The fact that it can’t survive outside is not her problem.
@@marajade9573 again another regurgitated pro-choice talking point, it absolutely is a human that’s undeniable, in order to think that you have to disconnect yourself from reality, and the fetus or embryo whatever you wanna call it I didn’t ask to be born, it didn’t choose to be born, it’s not infringing on the woman’s right, A woman has the right to do whatever she wants her own body as long as it doesn’t harm others, and I know you’re gonna say well it’s a parasite, or make a comparison like that well it’s not a parasite, because a parasite chooses to attach itself to somebody, A baby does not and having a baby that’s not physically hurt a woman, unless you could talk about extreme cases or you could read miscarriages but beyond that it doesn’t, that’s just life I didn’t choose to be born you didn’t choose to be born. One Ben Shapiro is not a libertarian he’s probably said that a few times meaning he believes in limited government, but ultimately he’s not, and to my point about government was your saying he claims to be from the government then how come he’s against abortion, that’s a perfectly consistent position the government’s fundamental job is to protect life. And I want you to know something I know this is gonna sound insane like you’re not gonna believe it but the reason why I’m against abortion now I know this is gonna be insane it’s not because I hate Women, i’m not saying you think this but a lot of pro-choice people think this and if you think that the only reason somebody’s against abortion is because they hate women you’re delusional you need to get a reality check.
"If your P-word get wet, that means you have a yeast infection" - Ben Shapiro, the cool kids philosopher
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I would say his poor wife but she don’t know what she missin 😂😂😭
I don't know if i'm glad that i don't know the context, or if i'm sad. Because Ben Shapiro being sexually incompetent is... obvious. But i feel like i might feel pity for the poor sod if i knew just how sad that was. And... eh, screw it, knowledge is always good, time to DuckDuckGo it... what a ride this will be...
...Oh. Oh my. Poor Ben. I feel so bad for his wife.
@@Loki-pz1uk eh, she probably gets it from someone else on the side anyway. Can you imagine anything more horrific than being in a permanent monogamous relationship with that guy?
Moikle I certainly hope not. I advocate for people to communicate and separate if they don’t feel like they can’t peacefully be polyamorous. No point in lying to significant others.
do yourself a favor and turn on the captions for gems like:
Yes! I always turn captions on because english isn't my first language and I miss some things without captions, and it's always great!
lilla ivanich I had no idea! Definitely watching w/captions from now on.
Absolutely added some extra fun to this video
"Mlg sad violins" :D
Omg
Philosophy Tube: "If you're opposed to abortion, you should also be opposed to fertility clinics!"
Catholics: "Yes."
As a recovered catholic (raised in the church and left as a teengaer but with all my family still in it) I was like... hang on I recognise this argument as a bad thing.
Yes.
Wow turns out catholics are twice as stupid lmao
Yes catholics are against fertility clinics
Certainly, that's not a bad thing, that's because life is sacred and the act of conception is a sacred act. You should stop slandering us, we are good people just with a very different metaphysical framework from you.
"Do you know what the first country to legalize abortion was? -Soviet Russia!"
Has the same energy as "Do you know who breathed air as well? Hitler!"
"And then a few more links in the chain and you're into socialism!" is also basically "And the next thing you know is that you're pregnant."
Absolutely love this totally exaggerated argumentation style.
Problem is, everyone automatically breathes. You only have an abortion if *you choose* to have one.
Sometimes to prove a point to someone you have to do 1 of 2 things.
Either make it extreme and exaggerated......... or make it personal.
Its easy to stand on the outside and say what should happen to a criminal. But when my daughter is that criminal? What how my condemnation and judgement changes.
Making the argument extreme forces you to deal with the underlying question rather than focus on all the other pitty pat things about the topic.
Do you like ICE CREAM!? (You go into it being high in sugar and fat and being lactose intolerant..... and all that other crap)
(So I go extreme or personal about it.)
DO YOU LIKE ICE CREAM!? YES OR NO!?! IF you dont give me a straight up answer Im going to XYZ you!!!
Yes. I like Ice Cream.
Thank You! I didnt ask you if you about all that other nonsense.
All that other stuff added to it draws people away from the main question. YES. or NO. Were talking about TASTE not CONSEQUENCE.
@@RacingSnails64 That's not what they were arguing you know that right, you only need basic reading comprehension to understand that. Also not all abortions are by choice, so that's just wrong too. By definition a miscarriage is an abortion and obviously those rarely occur by choice.
Shapiro uses a ridiculous amount of strawman arguments. It's almost caricatural, for instance when he's making arguments against abortion : he first compares an embryon to a sleeping guy (he says a sleeping guy isn't sentient, yet his life is valuable and therefore you shouldn't abort because the embryon, although not sentient, is comparable to a sleeping person), but that example doesn't work because you may consider a sleeping person as sentient (since he's dreaming, was concious a few hours ago and will wake up in a few hours as well).
Since his previous comparison doesn't work very well, he compares an embryon to a guy in the coma. But then his argument doesn't work that well either, because unplugging someone who won't ever find his sentience back is a thing and it's not that uncommon.
Since his previous comparison doesn't work either, he then compares it to a guy who's in the coma but will awaken in 9 month. But again, the examples he states can't quite match the reality of an embryon or a fœtus : a guy who's in the coma for 9 month had a life before the coma, and will find his memories back afterwards.
Since again his arguments don't work, he compares it to a guy who's in the coma for 9 month but won't ever find his past memories back because he'll a a blackout. How caricatural can he be ? He's always talking about the fact that an embryon is potential life and potential sentience, but what else it potential sentience ? Sperm... yet no one seems to care when you just... wank
The slippery slope fallacy. One of ben’s faves 😂
I'm impressed you got Shaun to sit there and stare at us for the whole credits, holding a pose for that long is impressive.
LOL, that is way too funny.
You dummy, he probably just took a picture of himself
Be great if at the end he exclaimed "Thanks for watching!" in a bright Scouse accent
omg hahahaha
Lmao I saw this comment before I actually got to the end and then spat.
How DARE you refer to him as "the arsonist" there is 0 explicit evidence that he was involved in any fires of any kind he is a humble traveling salesman god DAMMIT!
What are you talking about? There is evidence of him starting a fire in this very video. You watch him do it.
@@spunkmckunkle5604 it's a joke
I'm not an arsonist, I'm a fire realist.
@@icee711 as was mine, since the "fire" in the video was a match.
@@spunkmckunkle5604 oh shi-
Welp, gotta re-watch this now that Roe v Wade is in danger and all the Arsonists are coming out of the woodwork
Yuppp
Same
The arsonists have been out of the woodwork since 2014-2016.
"Unless being pregnant is going to kill them." They don't even draw that line anymore
Yes they do dumba$$
actually that’s an exception right there, if the pregnancy is endangering the life of the mother then she can get an abortion
@@clapped-cheeks In states where abortion is illegal, hospitals may refuse to terminate a pregnancy that risks the mother's life, because they might then have to prove the procedure was not _probably_ necessary, but _absolutely_ necessary. Abortion might be delayed until the mother is literally dying, bleeding out or in shock from sepsis or whatever they think will satisfy a conservative judge. It's not a matter of medical judgement anymore but legal ass-covering by the hospital's lawyers, to keep the surgical team from being arrested, and in some cases sued by third parties.
@@clapped-cheeks if you actually follow what's happening in the US, you can stumble upon MULTIPLE cases where abortion was denied even when the mother's life was in danger. In texas, the abortion law means a woman has to continue her pregnancy even when the fetus has a fatal anomaly, meaning it won't survive outside of the womb.
That Shapiro impression was pretty good. The only thing I missed, was the 5 minute long life insurance ad.
Needs more "lets say, lets say" in there when straw manning
It never fails to make me laugh how his ads so clearly demonstrate the age of his audience.
What about ads for caffeine pills?
Don't forget about the ad for food stocks for natural disasters. in the land of Ben Shapiro even disaster relief is privatised
He has more ad breaks then a telemarketing channel!
We're a few steps away from the Philosophy Tube Cinematic Universe
and, considering how shitty some of the other cinematic universes are, all fund money should be pulled from those and given to the Philosophy Tube Cinematic Universe.
This video allowed me to fully commit to calling myself pro-choice after years of struggling between wanting to value human life, no matter the stage, and wanting to respect the pregnant person's autonomy. Thank you Abigail.
Really the production value in this video is really good, but the argumentation was absolutely awful, and the analogy with the violinist was terrible.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 the production value is good. I found the argument, when made abstract, very good. Kinda odd set up with the characters but it seems to fit the situation really well.
@@Bellg peace✌️
What did you find compelling about his argumentation, at times he doesn’t even address his actual points he just makes up points for him, an example he said his prostate for some pregnancy, which is absolutely not true, and I’m not gonna get into all the reasons but his violinist analogy fails on so many levels.
@@antheaempson8735 if you valued peace you wouldn't kill
Gotta say as someone with kidney problems it is rather hard to listen such vivid description of what happens when your kidneys fail
No. It was kidneynapping.
This comment is highly underrated.
I love how everyone collectively stopped liking after we reached a funny number
what was the number?
If you watch this on 1.5x speed his Ben Shapiro impersonation becomes a Jordan Peterson impersonation
It's uncanny how interchangeable these conservative pundits are.
Lmao holy shit you're right
@@Arrakiz666 not really, no. JBP is more demure and talks about random mythology bullshit
It was already hard on 1.25 😄
LMFAO
I really hate the “oh but the fetus has fingers and and a heartbeat ” argument. I really don’t care. I don’t care if i find out the fetus has tiny little legs. I don’t care if it’s gonna grow up to be a great doctor. The idea that these things are valued higher than my autonomy, future, health, and happiness, is cruel. I don’t care if i sound selfish. I. DONT. CARE.
I've already re-watched this three times in preparation for talking to my mom tomorrow.
Abby, I fucking love you. You've always been an absolutely incredible educator, even before you felt free to be yourself to us online I only hope I can do half as good a job to one person as you have to millions.
Anyone who reads this: Stay strong. The night is darkest before light breaks.
Good luck 👍🏻
Hope it went well and your mother was receptive.
I am God’s messiah! I support women’s rights
it's been a year, I hope things are going well for you.
Olly: "Jesus Christ, I quit smoking that day"
Next scene, also Olly: *lights smoke*
Very ‘The Arsonist’
he meant he couldn't bear to smoke another cigarette for the rest of the day
A Mint cigarette and a good actor goes quite a long way in terms of illusions. I think that's all the mystery going on here.
also, the lighting of the cigarrette there? it was just made just to make it a lot of smoke, but doesnt light up.
I think it was an allusion to our right to bodily autonomy and that we have the right to do things to our bodies even when they are utterly harmful to us
“I’ll consent to a robust discourse but I must ask you to adopt a more friendly tone.” End someone popping off real quick
"I'll consent to a robust gameplay but I must ask you to stop trying to sell me Skyrim, Todd"
Omg its todd howard
Or just get fucking slapped
Gave me really kinky vibes :D :3
This! One of the most common pro-choice arguments I encounter time and time again is "a featus isn't a person" and it's always frustrated me because it doesn't matter. The mother's bodily autonomy outweighs everything. It would be simply inhuman to force someone to have a baby and waver their say, no matter the circumstances.
Women must not be abused as child-bearing machines; forced pregnancy is not acceptable.
Olly: "...and graphic violins"
Everyone: *groans*
I did, literally, groan at that one. The puns in this one are torturous and delicious.
That totally went over my head.
I mean, him butchering that Haydn was pretty graphic
This one went over my head
@@ramywiles *"him butchering that Haydn"* - Are you talking about Shapiro? I'll have to go back and re-watch/re-listen; I think I zoned out for a bit at that point.
"Nintendoes what Immanuel Kant."
We still have so much left to learn from this man.
(27:55)
For anyone who might be coming across this video and channel, for the first time, since the topic of abortion is popular these days.
Here's some context for you:
The narrator/creator is a woman called Abigail Thorn. She is an actress and educational/philosophy/video essay content creator.
The video is part of her older work and she is using another name.
If it still confuses you (for whatever reason), try think of her presence here as a performance of a character, who is also impersonating other characters, for the sake of presentation/impersonation of different viewpoints.
The relevance of this video just spiked.
Yup
I can literally hear you coaching yourself into an American accent.
"I'm an American, you can't do that to me"
He's using the "generic american accent"
Playing with x2 speed to get the real Ben Shapiro Experience.
Not enough Shakey breaths.
Don't you think that this analogy is wrong in the sense that Tom is not responsible for the kidney failure? Tom did not caused it nor was responsible for it. Maybe the kidney failure was because of irresponsible health habits or just genetics, but how is Tom responsible for that? I don't know any pregnant woman who does not know that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancies, so responsibility is definitely a factor there (assuming the pregnancy was not caused by rape). Dragging Tom into that situation is not analogous to "forcing" a woman to have a baby, because the fetus got there in the first place by a decision of the woman (again assuming it was not rape). I'm not saying that abortion is right or wrong, I'm just saying that it is a faulty analogy.
@@fluffy_tail4365 "And in that case the male partner is as responsible as the woman" I agree, but what that has to do with assuming that the value of the woman's decision is higher than the value of human life?
Also, the man gets weight in the form of financial responsibility because of now we can't make the man pregnant.
@@carlosfdz7807 " I agree, but what that has to do with assuming that the value of the woman's decision is higher than the value of human life? "
Well, that's the topic of the video??? Why anyone should be forced to give away their bodily autonomy at any time to sustain someone else without their consent, especially if you never agreed? People are not forced to give up kidneys if they want to and can pull out from the agreement up until the last minute
@@fluffy_tail4365 "People are not forced to give up kidneys if they want to and can pull out from the agreement up until the last minute" Of course, but that why I mentioned that dialysis exists. That particular decision will not cost the violinist life because he can be in dialysis until someone volunteers with a kidney. That way the violinist life is preserved and Tom's rights are not violated.
"opposition to government action on climate change, **unleashing the forces of hell on the souls of unsuspecting mortals**-" that caught me so off guard and I love it
I’m watching this video again now that the US Supreme Court is talking about overturning Roe v. Wade. Amazing work, Abby.
And here I am, back again, since Roe v Wade was overturned. 😮💨
"If you pull out, he'll die." That's a loaded statement if i ever saw one. Great joke!
Nice. How'd I miss that?!
hehe load
"Loaded"
*loaded*
Goddamn this comment is on fire
Olly I love and respect you but please never make me draw an association between the terms "domming" and "Ben Shapiro" ever again
UltimateBurstLP any remotely sexual theme and ben shapiro should be kept far, far apart in my mind
I would like to second this sentiment
@@thefelicits In my (limited) experience leftist men are more likely to be the ones to want to be controlled, not the ones doing the controlling
@@thefelicits That's a very heteronormative thing to say. I'm a man, my boyfriend is a man, I'm a dom, he's a sub. You wanna know something fun? He's the kinky one. I'd have never gotten into that space if he hadn't expressed interest in it. And, another thing that's often missed when viewed from the outside: In these relationships, it's most often the sub who's in control.
@@thefelicits Haha wait, you mean Olly Thorn, the bi-est of bisexual UA-camrs?
Also, doesn't matter, you made a general statement about people in kink spaces.
I love listening to you. Especially in contrast to Ben Shapiro. He talks so fast and that's how he 'destroys' people. Because rather than debating him you're just trying to keep up with what he's saying.
You however are eloquent and well spoken and easy to follow because you are confident in your arguments therefore don't have to try and confuse people
Thank you Abigal for leaving up these great older videos :) I hope you look back with pride, both with your work and who you were then, and who you are now.
(Detailed description of a surgery) Me: Fascinating
(Uncanny Ben Shapiro impersonation) Me: *shudders*
To me at least, I find a stark beauty in human anotomy and medicine. Seeing how a heart beats have an odd yet intriuging draw to me. Though to have to ait through ben shaperio was one of the most challenging events intellectually for me. I swear every moment he speaks it causes more braincells to shut down their synapses.
accurate. medicine is a fascinating subject, Ben Shapiro is disgusting.
@starvingartistmc It very much depends on the person. Quite a many people cannot help but internalize the deforming of the functioning body that renders them deeply uncomfortable to see a surgery cutting into people or potentially animals. For myself, I cannot avoid getting into the hypothetical headspace of suffering or dying animals, so I've had to ask my vet tech girlfriend to not tell me stories of animal trauma or tragedy at work.
@starvingartistmc I agree it is a perspective thing. It is not something everyone has trouble with. It is also not a deliberative response, but an immediate visceral one. And, for most people, something that can be overcome with repeated exposure if their interest is to treat animals in that fashion.
And there are times when a dog's stitches break as they're leaving the hospital and their guts pour out and the only thing to do is to scoop'm up and take the dog back into surgery. And plenty of antibiotics in the followup treatment. :\
@starvingartistmc Yeah, It is specifically those stories that I ask my girlfriend not to share.
We actually have a cat that we fostered, then adopted, that died while being rescued from a hoarder because of severe malnutrition and anemia due to flea infestation. (She arrested during transport.)
Fortunately she got better and was successfully resuscitated at the intake facility.
I call her Zombie and she is the most aggressively cuddly cat in the world. All she wants to do is curl up with you and purr in your face.
I joke that she died for our sins and is my personal lord and savior.
I hate your Ben Shapiro impression but only because it's so accurate
It’s so close that if he shaved and got and cut his hair for the bit I would have called the police
Pretty dead on...
DisasterMIDI he’d also have to shrink about a foot and a half
I know!! Its scary. I was almost shouting counter arguments at my phone. I had to stop myself and remind myself its not actually ben
It really helped me realize Ben’s style is far greater than the content of his arguments.
We’re fucked
Also watching Abi’s old videos is so weird and funny because it’s like, that’s Abi, but not quite.
I know what you mean...if ot gets to weird for me i just imagine the guy in the videos is abbys cute little brother ;)
And the fact of the matter is, even if the fetus is a full blown person, no person gets to use another’s body/organs to sustain their life against that person’s will. Why should we give a fetus more rights than any other person gets AND more rights than they’d have after they’re born. And if you want to compare to a situation where someone could be said to have a responsibility to the dying person, say a child inherits a gene for some disease from their parent, and now the child needs a blood transfusion, bone marrow, or even an organ to survive the disease. Should the government be able to legally enforce the parent to give those things to their child, all because they inadvertently passed down a certain gene to their child, brought them into the world, and now the child developed said disease? I don’t mean, does the parent have a moral duty to save their child, out of the goodness or kindness of their heart, because they are partially responsible for that child developing the disease. I mean, should this kind of violation of one’s body be state-mandated? Keep in mind, not everything we deem morally good is legally enforced, and not everything deemed bad by society is illegal
Hi, just trying to rationalize an opinion here, the gene analogy is great food for thought, even if the parent was aware of the gene and had 9 children all to die I dont think we could justify making a Monty Python organ donor skit on him, I agree
However, not eviscerating him is an non action, abortion is very much an action, might be a difference there.
How would you justify that a conjoined twin killing their sibling as a way to uphold his own body autonomy should be legally punishable, but a woman killing his child for the same reasons (and considering the two as human just like the video) should not
Just curious for your opinion, have a good day
"Laughs to avoid being murdered." Watch with the captions on haha, brilliant.
my personal favorite is [violins playing like "Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit"]
my personal favorite is [violins playing like "Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit"]
Your Ben Shapiro impersonation is so good I accidentally closed the tab twice.
Erik Amundson damn right. Even down to his stupid head tilting forward while frowning in an attempt to look menacing. He nailed it.
It looks Sooo uncanny how much he nails down Shitpiro
Erik Amundson ha!
Watching too much Ben Shapiro ruins a man's suave
@@Scroteydada 💯💯💯
As I'm entering my third trimester of pregnancy, a pregnancy that was both planned and very, very wanted, this video has been on my mind since I saw the two little lines. Finally getting around to rewatching it after dealing with severe anemia, extreme enduring fatigue, mood swings, muscle pain, and acid reflux for the past several months, knowing that I still have months to go... It's actually a huge comfort to me for some reason. Acknowledging the body horror of going through something like pregnancy means more to me than people telling me how beautiful it is, how it'll all be worth it, how I 'should' 'enjoy my pregnancy'. I chose to do this, and the thing that emboldens me to see it through -besides the promise of a beautiful child that I already love so much- is that I had the freedom to choose not to. I was able to plan for it, and give up these nine months of my life to grow another human being. I very much look forward to meeting her, and not being pregnant anymore. I think making the choice to have a child is only made more beautiful by having the option to choose not to. Thanks for the video, Abby.
You do have the freedom to choose not to. It's called don't put sperm in your vagina while ovulating if you don't want to. But yeah pregnancy is nuts. It sucks hard. 100% with you there. Just think your "the choice to have a child" is just you looking through your silly rose-tinted goggles. Everybody has the choice to not have a child. Some people are just "pro-choice" which means they think that choice extends well into when you already have a child.
The most amazing part is how she managed to remake Shapiro’s talking speed. No small feat
"But speaking about medical horror."
Me: OH GOD please not more!"
"Here is Denis Prager."
Me: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
jeova0sanctus0unus **starts crying**
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one of his best lines imo
I'm not seeing enough appreciation for the absolutely brilliant line *"Even the Predator knew that, in the documentary Predator 2"* down here in the comments
I had no idea it was fully compliant with Alabama Code Title 16 on Sexual Education. I love learning little details and trivia like that. Can't wait to sneak it into conversation at work tomorrow!
The Predators mouth would be censored in an Alabama sex ed book.
I also love how Judith Jarvis Thompson's paper is brought up here, because it was literally covered in my into to ethics class. So, it could be said that if someone would care about the morality of abortion they would consider a thought experiment that is literally taught in ethics 101.
I don’t know if “I’m not evangelical, I was raised baptist,” was supposed to be a joke but that made me LOL
Okay, The Arsonist is probably my favourite villainous character now.
unironically better written than most film villains. he's like a regular dr. lecter
@@saintbeau2779 he wouldnt feel out of place in a film noir
I wonder if Ben Shapiro could even handle debating with his own parody, Tom.
He'd either implode or fall madly in love.
Val Far please, please let it be the second one
@@pholkos But spontaneous combustion is fun too.
Shapiro would destroy him
@@joshconnell8797 daddy Benjamin can't hear you down here
24:30 the impression was so good that I registered that Tom misgendered Abigail, but then I remembered this was 4 years ago and that was Abigail misgendering herself
Not even joking, you DO play Ben better than Ben. It was starting to concern me a little halfway through that second segment just HOW convincingly you argued those points-- "Like, shit, am I really this gullible? There's clearly something off about how this is being presented but it is STILL working on me."
Olly, you've really seized the means of production value in this one.
Okay this made me chuckle
Especially with the line, "can have babby"
*sensible chuckle*
@@Snow-sx5ev Well, I chortled at this (and that's fancier, and louder, than chuckling.)
@@carolyntalbot947 oh yeah, well I exhaled slightly faster out of my nose, the peak of sophistication
You know that the Arsonist is a monster because he records videos vertically. WHO DOES THAT?
Boomers, that's who.
.... *slowly raises hand, because I'm clumsy and scared I'll drop my phone*
@@SherlocksLeftNipple get one of those finger ring things, they help out marvelously.
In this SPECIFIC case and those like it, the vertical orientation can be useful to either capture taller subjects from the viewing angle or crop out things you don't want to capture.
85% of fights on worldstar
I'm rewatching in light of the recent US Supreme Court betrayal. This is the exact argument that made me pro-choice - I first read it in Susan Bordo's book Unbearable Weight and had been loosely pro-life until then. I've never been in the position of wanting or needing an abortion, but that's all the more reason to leave the decision up to the person directly involved.
Thank you for all your research and hard work in all of your videos. I always appreciate the consideration you give to each topic.
anyone else is here after row v wade got overturned in the US?
"No smoking in the theatre"
*me, immediately extinguishing my joint* "my bad comrade"
I fired up my bowl at that moment ;-)
that’s what the edibles are for
Watching this video high seems likely to cause a bad trip though.
@@ScorpionViper1001 Can verify that weed doesnt really cause "trips".
Are you sure youre not confusing drugs like a sober person?
Tayl Fyfe i have def tripped on weed before if you have a low enough tolerance or fuck w edibles or potent shit you can trip. especially after fucking w cid and shrooms and others it changes the way weed affects you afterwards more trippy at least for a bit.
Ben Shapiro confuses me because he seems to be years younger than me and also older than the concept of time itself.
that's......so accurate
Demonic pacts can do that to you.
He’s a boomer in a millennials skin
@@communisttrash8590 that's it that's the one
This channel is like a bbc or netflix production documentary series. I can't stop rewatching.
The only possible argument that is logically and morally consistent with criminalizing abortion
would be a massive overhaul to the social welfare programs in whatever country it is.
That mean all bodily and mental healthcare covered an ultra robust adoption services,
guaranteed paid maternity leave,
the option to either be paid to stay home and raise your child/children
or fully funded childcare available from the moment maternity leave ends
to the beginning of grade school and fully funded and robust after school care.
That would be a good starting point.
BUT THATS THE HIPOCRACY OF THE ENTIRE IDEOLOGY.
THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT A LIFE BEFORE ITS ACTUALLY BORN
AFTER THAT THEY ONLY WILL CARE ABOUT THAT LIFE IF THEY GET THE DEATH PENALTY
And even if we had all those amazing policies, there would still be many arguments for providing abortions.
@@danielemazzali9810So true. So very very true...
Ironically if there were such a world where Republicans were equally just as oppressive with "sharing"their socially conservative values as they are in our world yet somehow are anti capital punishment and so big on social safety nets they would make Bernie blush.
Even if they were somehow completely and totally that ideologically consistent they still loose the argument they make themselves repeatedly.
There's NO justifiable argument for taking away the Rights of citizens due to the personal beliefs of others.
The flawed logic behind this is similarly as flawed an idea as some on the left have with thinking that policing all comments by bad actors on the internet is actually sustainable.
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“Laughs to avoid being murdered”
i need to watch with closed captions more often
@Censorship's For Pussies what
Shen Bapiro Destroyed by a Philospher in a Sex Dungeon
Think I might die laughing and crying at how amazing this one is.
I know right? I'm going to re-watch it
...but enough about how Ben spends his weekends, let's talk about the video instead.
Ben Shapiro DESTROYED by Philosopher in a Sex Dungeon
Philosopher? I think you mean ARSONIST!
Jack Akimbo 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
"cis man" aged like milk
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Watching this again as SCOTUS just overturned Roe. We're moving toward a theocracy which is antithetical to this country's founding. Insanity
"theocratic autocracy" Do you even know what that means?
we're moving away from a woke idiocracy and back towards a federal, constitutional republic.
@@JohnJohn-yp5vp should've just said theocracy
@@greyghost2492 a democratic Republic meaning our representatives should implement policy based on the will of the majority of the American people...hence abortion access and gun control should be passed. We unfortunately live in an oligarchy so money has corrupted our system to favor the few over the masses
@@rpena0899 can you point me to the part in the bible where it explicitly states that abortion is wrong?
"Speaking of grotesque medical horror that pushes the boundaries of taste, here's Dennis Prager." Omfg I'm dying. For that line alone I'll ring the bell.
Savage
Camilo Pianzola I’m your 666th like. Just wanted to put that out there.
"Doming but instead of a collar and a leash it's a microphone" is something I was not ready for.
Also I wish I could've watched this during my philosophy course where we talked about the unconscious violinist.
I'm just wondering how he knows what domming feels like.
@@Sackofbooks clearly he's into some BDSM/other kinky shit
@@Sackofbooks I would be shocked if Olly wasn't into BDSM, lol.
Sackobooks ‘Cause Olly F U C K S .
@@Sackofbooks She dommed before. Maybe in a sex dungeon not dissimilar from the one in the scene.
I loved seeing the violinist-dialysis metaphor used for this, because it's one of my go-to's for the absurdity of pro life arguments. The idea that a right to life supersedes the right to a person''s bodily autonomy is ridiculous, but they're not willing to examine it beyond forced pregnancy.
Take bodily autonomy completely out of it using the following. A Thought Experiment that defeats the pro-life person, and it works with men or women. You arrive at a building that is on fire, on the third floor is a fertility clinic with a portable freezer containing ten thousand fertilized eggs. Also on the third floor there's a daycare nursery with two sleeping babies. You only have time to save the fertilized eggs or the two sleeping babies, there is no way to save both the frozen embryos and the sleeping babies. Which do you save, oh, and also the mothers of the two sleeping babies are right outside the building.
At the end of it all, every single pro-life argument comes down to one thing. The baby’s life outweighs literally any argument you possibly have.
Also you have to live with the consequences of choosing to have unprotected sex or not using birth control. It’s kind of absurd stance because then you have to agree that STDs shouldn’t be treated then.
This video is about to blow up.
The captions are hilarious. Turn them on!
*_"horrifying alien who kill men for sport... and the predator"_*
*Wait... Which one is Dennis?*
Cory Mck 😂
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@@sint0xicateme actually the joke is that "horrifying alien who kill men for sport" wasn't supposed to describe the predator. (hence the pause before subverting expectation).
My joke is that "the predator" is still a very accurate descriptor for Dennis. A person who preys on conspiracy theories and ignorance .gif
@@CoryMck shoulda just let it hang :)
@@sint0xicateme WELL, TOM,,, THAT'S TH
Tom Gently has come a long way. I remember when he was just a small time guest on Reasonablest Bear's YT channel.
Leftube Cinematic Universe deep lore, right there
I was always a bigger fan of rational big boy myself
I support the existence of a fictional universe of parody right wing commentators that is used universally throughout lefttube
RIP in peace Reasonablest Bear
God I hope the LCU just gets more and more intricate until we need a full continuity reboot
Abigail really nailed this one and it shows even 3 years later. Had to rewatch because of recent fascist theocratic developments in the US
The Arsonist insisting that Tom Gently adopt a more civil tone is brilliant, and I didn't notice the full significance of it the first few times around.
Although expecting someone to be calm and rational does imply that you know they're capable of doing so, it can also be dehumanizing in certain situations. If you're abusing someone, (and conservative policies are a kind of abuse on a societal scale,) while also preventing them from expressing how they're being made to feel, it's basically the same as asking them to thank you for your abuse.
That is to say, they're both wrong for the same reason; the difference is a matter of degree.