Katherine Frye Yeah, this guy doesn't even get enough credit because people would rather praise overrated losers like that emo-looking dude known as The Rev and that circus clown known as Joey Jordison.
The first time i heard this solo, i said "Haha, it's like John Bonham, this drum sound, 100% Bonham. The rythm at 1:58 is fucking amazing. I wish i could get this whole live version, : (!
@pinneappl Appreciate your response! I can understand that Pridgen might appeal to formally trained drummers, but for me, I can only listen to the same patterns and solos for so-long...before I get bored. Thomas can solo; I'll give him that, but Jon is almost like Omar's drum counterpart. He is really in tune with the songs, and intuitively adds to the music. He knows when to fall back and when to get more complex. When I hear Jon's playing, I hear so many different influences-Pridgen-not somuch
i hear alot of john bohnam influence in this and other mars volta songs. i dig the clear drums, too. bohnam had a clear set in zepplin's "the song remains the same" dvd.
I've seen Bozzio play that thing a few times, and I've seen Peart on a giant kit, and the drummers that impress me most are still the guys that do a lot with a little. Thomas Pridgen plays a smaller kit than those two and I think it comes out better. I've been blown away by Bruford on a tiny little jazz kit.
John Bonham and Nick Mason also played on acrylic, and all of the mars volta is played on acrylic...Acrylic is tipycally a vintage hard rock sound... absolutely not terrible.
The difference is a friend could be like "Let me teach you how to play slide guitar" A teacher will be like "Let me teach you guitar, and all the techniques you'll need to be anything." You ever notice that most famous musicians are self taught?
i believe i read that it's a 14"china on top of a 14" crash, i'm not really 100 percent sure though. thats what i got on my set, and it's pretty decent. my bass player loves it.
man i love both pridgen and theodore but im not sure about the new drummer.. i've only seen clips of him from one concert and he seems really tight but he also seems to have kind of a theodore groove, but idk yet.
Ive been trying to find something out for a while now....and that is ...how does he get that trashy sound from that cymbal? I know he stacks them...and tried it...but...how does he do it? Does anyone know? PLEASE!!
@pascalzifffhume Yeh, he's a huge bonham fan, he plays an oversized set, and I actually feel like this whole song Eunuch Provocateur is an homage to achilles last stand by zep.
He didn';t do as much as he could with the song, take a listen to the audio recording in amsterdam (2002). It's a fact that the style of playing's no big deal at all to Jon Theodore, but he can't quite groove along to qotsa for some reason. From what I've heard anyway.
I completely agree. I might think there personalities are a lot more different than there skills (compared to each other) ;-), although I like Jon's style a lot more. Perhaps Jon keeps the beat more 'rollin', less an 'ornamenting' kind of style like Thomas'.
in my perfect world both Jon and Thomas would be in the Volta. I prefer Jon's style when they're doing improv and jam sessions but I prefer Thomas's style when they're playing high intensity stuff. They're both awesome drummers and both easily fit w/ the style of music. At this point I just hope Thomas lasts because I don't think I can deal with having to learn to love yet another drummer.......unless Jon wants to come back.
Jon will be missed dearly, but Tom Pridgen can definitely hold his own on the drums. I don't think there will be a big loss in the end. I'm looking forward to the new album.
These arguments crack me up! Pridgen or Theodore? They both kick ass! And should be admired for their own styles individualy, fuck ! 6 or a half dozen!
im hoping he sounds incredible. the stuff i've heard him do on youtube is, imo, better than pridgen's. but thats just solo stuff. its all about the grooves in the album. and so far, theodore is king.
I have to agree with you. When I first heard Thomas Pridgen I was amazed by the sheer talent that he had. However I don't think his beats are as interesting as Jon Theodore's. If your rating them by playing talent then I would say Pridgen is better but in terms of making interesting beats I have to say Jon Theodore's better. However, it really is a matter of opinion I personally like slower jazzy beats as opposed to the more aggressive beats that Pridgen put on TMV's new cd.
i really agree with fredder. it seems like john almost "takes his time" and pridgen goes all out. i dont like like how pridgen uses so much snare as well
We'll both have to wait until he gets an opportunity to write new material- he only did one track on the new record, and that was a bit of a ballad anyway. I've seen him open up just a little live- Better Living Through Chemistry at the Wiltern he had a little spazz section. Hopefully they'll play Avon and he'll get an opportunity to fill a little solo. Also the middle of A Song For The Dead. That's if he stays- I've seen him labled as "touring drummer" a couple of places.
Exactly dude. Thomas started to play the drums when still in his father's balls. He must be one of the most technically skilled drummers out there. However, Theodore has all the feel, the music and the voodoo fire in him. He's always playing like a total savage, and yet never overplays. For me JT >>>>>> TP.
Theodore fans- stop with the condescending opinions about taste and who "feels" the music more when it comes to Pridgen vs Theodore. Thomas and Jon both played the music as they felt it, and if you can't feel Pridgens passion when he plays it because you're too busy hating how many notes he plays, you're as clueless as people who hate however many less notes Theodore plays than Pridgen. Music is not about how many notes you may OR MAY NOT play, thus more notes doesn't always mean less feel
No, a very important aspect of being in the gospel chop culture is, it doesn't matter what you do, just come back on the beat. And make room for everyone else. That's why everyone loves it, cause they don't lose the beat. If you can't tell the difference between Thomas McCree and, oh, Q. Jackson, then you don't recognize advanced techniques. And I don't think you're a drummer, either. So you don't really have a say as to who's the better drummer.
Jon Theodore is pretty much one of the most underrated drummers out there today.
the most*
Not that technically proficient. But definitely a very musical drummer.
Him and Gavin Harrison
He's a fucking beast. You'd have to be to drum in this band. Epic.
jon theodore is by far the best drummer tmv ever had.
his work on De-Loused in the Comatorium in my opinion is some of the best drumming i've heard
Or in Cassandra on FTM when the drums fade back in after the interlude, holy cheez balls man
The Mars Volta went to shit when Theodore left...He was incredible.
Indeed, Cedric even said it was "the biggest mistake of his life" letting Jon leave on a podcast.
@@TheDungeon11 *Josh Homme has joined the chat*
Thomas pridgen was on par
Drum solos in the middle of rock songs is really an lost art. Glad someone is still doing this kind of stuff
this is fucking take the veil i used to watch this concert all the time the older the video the better
There shouldn't be any comparison between Danny Carey and Jon Theodore; they're both amazing drummers.
Literally my two favorite drummers
so bad ass! one of the best drummers ever.
Katherine Frye Yeah, this guy doesn't even get enough credit because people would rather praise overrated losers like that emo-looking dude known as The Rev and that circus clown known as Joey Jordison.
The Rev is dead. At least show a modicum of respect. Yeah it was drugs, but drug addiction is a disease.
thank you man! i couldn't have put it any better way.
wow this guy is awesome!!!!!!!! quick hands indeed!!! lovely kit too!!!
The first time i heard this solo, i said "Haha, it's like John Bonham, this drum sound, 100% Bonham.
The rythm at 1:58 is fucking amazing. I wish i could get this whole live version, : (!
music is an art form and for the true listener art should not be judged
Theodore or Pridgen to each their own
@pinneappl Appreciate your response! I can understand that Pridgen might appeal to formally trained drummers, but for me, I can only listen to the same patterns and solos for so-long...before I get bored. Thomas can solo; I'll give him that, but Jon is almost like Omar's drum counterpart. He is really in tune with the songs, and intuitively adds to the music. He knows when to fall back and when to get more complex. When I hear Jon's playing, I hear so many different influences-Pridgen-not somuch
dude he is definitely one of the best drummers out there. The drumming in De-loused is really mind blowing. He's a damn metronome.
The band may have officially said he quit, but both Jon and TMV have alluded to his booting in interviews.
We need the full song.
The only Volta drummer who was awesome AND not selfish (musically) at the same time.
that beat he comes back in on is so damn good.
i got this whole conert on dvd
its fuckin amazing
acrylic sounds so good!
of course jon theodore!!!!
Still the best. It's a shame we'll never hear the Mars Volta play like this again
you just put the right words
Pridgen and theodore are both two of my favorites.
Came here from a Danny Carrrey vid, like them both a lot!
This video may not completely showcase it but in my opinion Jon Theodore is the best song writing (as far as the drums go) drummer of all time
I totally agree!
i love thomas pridgen, but the way he linked the solo with the groove of the song at 1:57 is so sweet!
both of them are awesome!
Totally agree! Lost the latin and jazzy beats that made me love them.
he is still my favorite drummer not who i think is the best just my favorite
cant wait to see how he'll be in queens
LOL @ 2:07!!! Gotta love seein' Cedric creep back into the mix with his mesmerizing dancing!
@pinneappl i dont know if anyone has said this yet but theodore went to oberlin. thats a pretty great music school.
john bonham and nick mason: two amazing drummers from two immortal bands.
long live zep, floyd, and tmv!!!!
love em both each have own style ... I'm friends w pridgen but the stack used on deloused made by Jon is dope
i hear alot of john bohnam influence in this and other mars volta songs. i dig the clear drums, too. bohnam had a clear set in zepplin's "the song remains the same" dvd.
I've seen Bozzio play that thing a few times, and I've seen Peart on a giant kit, and the drummers that impress me most are still the guys that do a lot with a little. Thomas Pridgen plays a smaller kit than those two and I think it comes out better. I've been blown away by Bruford on a tiny little jazz kit.
@tcslick420 are there any recordings of that ?
u r correct
John Bonham and Nick Mason also played on acrylic, and all of the mars volta is played on acrylic...Acrylic is tipycally a vintage hard rock sound... absolutely not terrible.
Skills.
The difference is a friend could be like
"Let me teach you how to play slide guitar"
A teacher will be like
"Let me teach you guitar, and all the techniques you'll need to be anything."
You ever notice that most famous musicians are self taught?
i believe i read that it's a 14"china on top of a 14" crash, i'm not really 100 percent sure though. thats what i got on my set, and it's pretty decent. my bass player loves it.
it's 14" by 26" inches. maybe it looks weird because of its huge diameter or the strange video aspect ratio.
@pinneappl he didnt graduate from berklee he dropped out after i think 2 years. I was at a drum "clinic" of pridgen and he said he quit berklee
i dont think that jon theodore doesnt care about the band!! he is an amazing drummer the best volta drummer
hahahah, Cedric cracks me up every time. 2:06.
@pinneappl You said pridgen graduated? I read in an interview that he was kicked out of Berklee...
GOD
He wasn't fired until 2006.
what song is that after the drum solo?
man i love both pridgen and theodore but im not sure about the new drummer..
i've only seen clips of him from one concert and he seems really tight but he also seems to have kind of a theodore groove, but idk yet.
Is Jon paradiddling on the floor tom in the second part ?
Ive been trying to find something out for a while now....and that is ...how does he get that trashy sound from that cymbal? I know he stacks them...and tried it...but...how does he do it? Does anyone know? PLEASE!!
I believe he uses a Fibes Crystalite Kit here.
@pascalzifffhume Yeh, he's a huge bonham fan, he plays an oversized set, and I actually feel like this whole song Eunuch Provocateur is an homage to achilles last stand by zep.
this looks like the show @ Numbers in Hou, Tx
where did you find this??
damn that foo cedric can groove lol
guys i think we can all agree omar is the best drummer for the mars volta :P
Hell yea man! I Theodore is totally a proto-Bonham
pft. Pridgen can have his 7 piece kit if he wants, Theodore rocks the 4 piece just as well.
how do you know all of this? Are you with the band or something? Is this Cedric?
He's still with TMV on here???
jons solos arent the best but his beats are the hardest to get
it's take the veil by the way
the mars volta ended as soon as he left.
He didn';t do as much as he could with the song, take a listen to the audio recording in amsterdam (2002). It's a fact that the style of playing's no big deal at all to Jon Theodore, but he can't quite groove along to qotsa for some reason. From what I've heard anyway.
I completely agree. I might think there personalities are a lot more different than there skills (compared to each other) ;-), although I like Jon's style a lot more. Perhaps Jon keeps the beat more 'rollin', less an 'ornamenting' kind of style like Thomas'.
nice drum beating lesson
in my perfect world both Jon and Thomas would be in the Volta. I prefer Jon's style when they're doing improv and jam sessions but I prefer Thomas's style when they're playing high intensity stuff. They're both awesome drummers and both easily fit w/ the style of music.
At this point I just hope Thomas lasts because I don't think I can deal with having to learn to love yet another drummer.......unless Jon wants to come back.
Jon will be missed dearly, but Tom Pridgen can definitely hold his own on the drums. I don't think there will be a big loss in the end. I'm looking forward to the new album.
I think I find you on every video I watch. This is getting strange. lol
@TheBass2themax agreed. Theodore is awesome but pridgen is on another level.
These arguments crack me up! Pridgen or Theodore? They both kick ass! And should be admired for their own styles individualy, fuck ! 6 or a half dozen!
This it's someting that jon theodore can't do whith QOTSA
im hoping he sounds incredible. the stuff i've heard him do on youtube is, imo, better than pridgen's. but thats just solo stuff. its all about the grooves in the album. and so far, theodore is king.
yes! cedric's dancing ^_^
bedlam and octahedron are fucking sweet
I have to agree with you. When I first heard Thomas Pridgen I was amazed by the sheer talent that he had. However I don't think his beats are as interesting as Jon Theodore's. If your rating them by playing talent then I would say Pridgen is better but in terms of making interesting beats I have to say Jon Theodore's better. However, it really is a matter of opinion I personally like slower jazzy beats as opposed to the more aggressive beats that Pridgen put on TMV's new cd.
Jon's feet is the last thing I would want to have as a drummer!
i really agree with fredder. it seems like john almost "takes his time" and pridgen goes all out. i dont like like how pridgen uses so much snare as well
We'll both have to wait until he gets an opportunity to write new material- he only did one track on the new record, and that was a bit of a ballad anyway. I've seen him open up just a little live- Better Living Through Chemistry at the Wiltern he had a little spazz section. Hopefully they'll play Avon and he'll get an opportunity to fill a little solo. Also the middle of A Song For The Dead.
That's if he stays- I've seen him labled as "touring drummer" a couple of places.
you really like qotsa, don't you? ahah cheers
Carlo Von Sexron I heard the record, Jon desappointed me completely.
Hey Jon. Buddy Rich called, he wants his beats back.
He's been doing some stuff in Burn the Witch, as well.
watch?v=JE4jktQItvw
I thought he was pretty tight. He drums just aren't big enough!
Exactly dude. Thomas started to play the drums when still in his father's balls. He must be one of the most technically skilled drummers out there. However, Theodore has all the feel, the music and the voodoo fire in him. He's always playing like a total savage, and yet never overplays. For me JT >>>>>> TP.
Hey may not be the best at improv, but he's always been really good at coming up with a strong rhythm that you can dance to.
Theodore fans- stop with the condescending opinions about taste and who "feels" the music more when it comes to Pridgen vs Theodore. Thomas and Jon both played the music as they felt it, and if you can't feel Pridgens passion when he plays it because you're too busy hating how many notes he plays, you're as clueless as people who hate however many less notes Theodore plays than Pridgen. Music is not about how many notes you may OR MAY NOT play, thus more notes doesn't always mean less feel
@ddobrilovic2 and they both dont wear shirts..
@vrdrums Crossing fingers for zach hill, anyone? Twas already in El Grupo Nuevo, but he was almost wasted as he didn't get to provide structure.
i believe it goes into a jam and drunkship after that (so there's no eunuch "reprise").
haha i love bixler-zavala's dancing
I was so happy to hear that pridgen left haha
@xtianor Wanna know how funny that was on a scale of one to ten? A ten. Im dead serious.
no one should be able to get away with dance moves like that!
*I Think I Lost My Headache at the Wiltern. Nothing on Volta levels still.
John's set up looks very similar to Ian Paice's old set up
@sirray thats such a tall ass fucking bass drum! fuck!!!!!
No, a very important aspect of being in the gospel chop culture is, it doesn't matter what you do, just come back on the beat. And make room for everyone else. That's why everyone loves it, cause they don't lose the beat. If you can't tell the difference between Thomas McCree and, oh, Q. Jackson, then you don't recognize advanced techniques. And I don't think you're a drummer, either. So you don't really have a say as to who's the better drummer.
bigger kits do not mean better solos, in fact using a smaller kit forces you to be more creative and ingenuitive.