Small but important correction: The Fenix will theoretically be compatible with 2024 from day 1, it's just that it'll function with 2020 flight dynamics (legacy mode) and it'll take them a while before they can build in the new features and new flight model.
Very disappointing to hear Microsoft won’t let them into 2024 by far the best developer of all the aircraft and excellent consumer experience and issues get fixed accordingly. I’ll be sticking with 2020 until 2024 is compatible
I will definitely wait until the Fenix suite of aircraft are compatible with MSFS2024. I was going to wait anyway irrespective to see the impact it may or may not have with 3rd party addons. I used to fly the PMDG 737, 738 exclusively, but now I am totally engrossed with the Fenix A320 and the level of features it provides
I was only reading about the Sharklets yesterday, and the update is here already. I am coming back to FS and I am really sat on the fence as to getting 2020 or 2024. I have spent the last three weeks picking out a controller and the add-on European airports and aircraft I want. I have settled on the Fenix A320, 319, 321 pack, plus the Headwind 330-900. I have settled on the Thrustmaster TCA A320 Captain Pack. I have learned so much from your videos. I like the functionality of flight planning and the tools available in 2020. I have no interest in Career mode, Gaming modes or Challenges. I just want to get back to flying airliners and some R&R in a LS18 glider. In real life I flew a DG200 until illness forced retirement from flying. Thank you for your videos they are brilliantly explained tutorials.
Personally I think you'd be better off just waiting 2 weeks for 2024. Theoretically everything that works in 2020 will work in 2024 with minimal to no changes from third party devs. In reality I suspect there will be a flurry of minor updates coming out between 19th November and Christmas for anything that doesn't work or has bugs. If you buy 2020 now, I think you will quickly regret it.
Glad I bought the Fénix a 320 and 319 321 expansion while on a discount 😀. Wish fenix would put throttle detent calibration in the EFB and take it out of the mcdu and have it like FBW does
I think by not giving Fenix access to MS2024 they're shooting themselves in the foot because I certainly won't move across to it until the a320 is available and working well
@@techtchr2012 There are 2 default A320 Neos in the sim, one by Asobo and one by iniBuilds. 2024 is getting an iniBuilds A321 Neo LR and iniBuilds A330 200 & 300. plus an updated A310. The iniBuilds A300 is a seperate payware product and obviously not a Neo. haha
I Have spent a absolute fortune on buying add-ons for Microsoft flight simulator there is no way I’m going to buy the new flight simulator until all my favourite aircraft and add ones are on there and there’s a massive improvement in the sim like WEATHER RADAR being in the game itself because it’s so expensive to buy especially if you buy the premium deluxe version so I will not be swapping from Microsoft flight simulator to Microsoft flight simulator 24 until I am absolutely 100% sure that it’s worth doing so. WEATHER RADAR…. WEATHER RADAR……WEATHER RADAR…… Cannot say this enough. I know there is talk that it will be on msfs24.
thank you for another great video. Personally I'm sticking with 2020 until they get everything up and running in the new sim. Shocking really that Fenix weren't granted any access to the new SDK yet. think they should have called is MSFS 2025....:)
I will always be a PMDG person but I’m telling you the Phoenix is so freaking good when I want my Boeing fix. I definitely go to PMDG when I want my airbus fix I go to Fenix
Well since I am starving for a good A330 I will surely get FS24 as soon as it releases, because the default one doesn't look all too bad. I may keep FS2020 for the Fenix, but really only for the Fenix. But who knows the A330 and especially the upcoming "pure" ini A350 might ease the wait until Fenix have transitioned to FS24. But Fenix was pretty much all I flew in FS2020 as soon as it was released. They have set the new top standard for flight simulation and I can't wait what they bring next. What a time to be a flight simmer.
Sadly I think my PC would require a big upgrade for 2024 and I remember as one of the first to get 2020, without much PC knowledge at that time. I remember the months of frustration of bugs on most updates, from the sim and Navigation units...One month the sim would work flawlessly then they would change something on an update and a month or so of frustration......So happy to wait a bit I think for 2024
I’m getting 2024 but will split my time between the two 2020 will stay on my machine for a while until Fenix, PMDG, Ejets, iFly, and just some stability fixes.
I’m gonna stay with 2020 for probably about another year. I have a feeling that things are not going to be what they think they’re going to be and there’s gonna be a lot of add-on aircraft that’s not going to be immediately switched over. And I think that Sobo is gonna have to do some work on the code to get things right off the batso I would say probably close to a year but eventually I’ll switch over.
Another great update from the team, do you know why I'm getting the pilot & Co pilot visible in the cockpit. I only get them if I use the livery Fenix livery manager... 😢. Thanks for yet another very useful video.
How are the ACTs used? On my last flight one was filled and I pushed the ACT button. It said FWD. When it was empty, I got an ECAM message and turned it off again. When I don't push the button, will the fuel from the ACT still be used?
@@BartS52 The tanks empty in the following sequence : The ACT2@ : Fuel transfers into the center tank. The ACT1@ : Fuel transfers into the center tank. The center tank. The inner tanks: Each inner tank empties down to 750 kg (1 650 lb). The outer tanks: Fuel transfers into the inner tanks.
Anyone else noticed the simbrief empty weights are incorrect at least for the A321? No difference between the SL/ACT's as I thought there was supposed to be?
Excellent video thank you ! However, guys I need your help, getting freeze/stutters on touchdown pretty much every time, tried everything I could find on the internet to fix this, nothing works. We need to fix this as it ruins our simulation experience… please share you thoughts on this…!
@@Aza35617thanks for your answer! You mean the application where we can upgrade the drivers or put filters? I am using this application just to tchek on the new drivers available, I’m not doing any filters nor settings inside it
I will also split time between MSFS2024 and MSFS2020 but I will be using 2020 much more given the amount of money I spent on mods, scenery, aircrafts, add ons, etc. Hopefully, they will all transition to 2024 which is when I will be ready to let go of 2020.
I’m pretty sure 2020 addons will work in 2024. Can’t verify but I read they’ll work fine, it’s up to the developer to update it to take advantage of new 2024 features however.
So now that the product line is virtually finished....what's next? But honestly, with the Fenix line plus the INI selection in FS2024 I don't know if I'll have time to touch a Boeing anytime soon!
The Winwing MCDU isn't even out yet! If you mean FCU, then I think that's just you. Admittedly their website isn't very good at giving compatibility info, but if you look in the SimAppPro changelog, you can see when they've added compatibility for new planes, and the Fenix is on the list.
Did they ever fix the bug that using a hardware assignment to swap radio frequencies doesnt actually swap the correct radio tuning? Also is the aircraft still a pain to land due to exaggerated ground effect?
Doesn't the A32X family have a refueling panel inside of the cockpit? Will Fenix implement this to allow us to refuel without the use of the EFB. Not that I'm complaining i just think it would he neat
Until I'm hearing consistent reports that everything I currently use in 2020 is working reliably in 2024, I'm sticking. I anticipate the changeover to not be entirely stress-free, so I'm also waiting for someone to release a best-practice guide to doing so. There will be the innovators and early adopters who will boldly step into the unknown, bravely risking everything so that we don't have to. I'll proudly and patiently sit in the early majority group watching fires being put out while plodding along with the bloated MSFS2020.
No. A20N refers to the A320 Neo, which is a different aircraft. You still need to select the correct aircraft so that the controllers know what you are flying.
@Easyjetsimpilot oh I get that it's for the neo. I mean that everyone else on the network will see the old version with winglets and not sharklets unless they update vpilot with a new entry for the SL model.
@@noisytwit That has to do with Model matching on other users sims. I prefer AIG. With AIG if your connected as Delta, AIG knows Delta uses SL so I would see SL. Now for American or any other mixed SL and Fenced winglet users it would be random. But yes as he said just connect as an A321 and others model matching will depend on what they use!
@tomstravels520 so its only in the Fenix livery? Its there but ive got to admit ive not actually tried to use the twin class yet. Will try after work later i think. 👍
I will be sticking with 2020 for the time being. Big mistake for Microsoft to lock Fenix out of the developer program. The only thing I would really like to see is the neo variant - otherwise I think this Fenix family is absolutely fabulous.
You can see how hard they are trying to keep their pilots, cause now with the release of the FBW a380 everyone wants to try it. But I have to say, thay are absolutely nailing this a 320, it’s becoming so close to perfection that they will not even have anything else to improve shortly. Thay should really start developing some new aircraft types.
Well they still have all the Neos and the A318 they could do. I'm not that interested in the 18, but I would definitely take Fenix level Neos. Even though the iniBuilds and the FBW ones are both very good, they don't take things to the nth degree of perfection like Fenix do. Also, the Neos are now the best selling aircraft in the world and it won't be long before there are more of them out there than the CEOs (we're almost at the point with the A321 Neo, and the A320 Neo is about 2 years away from overtaking the CEO).
@@mdhazeldinegot the same sentiments as you! i can only imagine if Fenix made the A20N/21N CFM LEAP and PW, XLR variants! Even if it would be another £80 i’d happily buy it!
I’ll stay with P3D until 2024 and Fenix or FSLabs are in place. I got a new PC and can’t be bothered to reinstall 2020 when 2024 is just around the corner.
Me before watching latest MFSF2024 developer streaming with A330/A321LR/A400/Beluga:-"I'll be sticking with MSFS2020 no matter what!-. Me after watched that very same video:-"Never mind!" ua-cam.com/video/x-qVKe5K1Y4/v-deo.html
I will switch to FS2024 on day one. After the Aircraft Partner Stream last night, I am confident that we can spend lots of hours with the new sim, until the devs made their steps to be compatible with the new sim. Pretty sure, that I am not going to look back to 2020 after November 19th 😁
Fenix > PMDG. I still love PMDG, but the level of detail Fenix goes into is unmatched.
ifly737max better than pmdg
Maybe also because Airbus > Boeing :D
@@VORLOC9tell me you like the asobo a320 without telling me you like the asobo a320
100% true
@@LetsAaron because.. if it's Boeing I'm not going 😂
Small but important correction: The Fenix will theoretically be compatible with 2024 from day 1, it's just that it'll function with 2020 flight dynamics (legacy mode) and it'll take them a while before they can build in the new features and new flight model.
they really raised the level of professionnalisim and realism for MSFS I hope it will be kept for FS2024
I have grown love this aircraft. I am pretty excited to add the sharklets. Pretty sure the a321 will be my default aircraft now.
I have been excited for MSFS2024 but now I know fenix will not be available straight away I will be sticking with 2020 until they will.
Now a Fenix neo series would truly complete this off, or an A330. What a time to be a simmer!
Youre a legend for adding those airframes in the description!!! Thankyou!
Will stay in 2020 for sure.
Definitely staying with 2020 until addons available for 2024 and to see if any major bugs on launch
Very disappointing to hear Microsoft won’t let them into 2024 by far the best developer of all the aircraft and excellent consumer experience and issues get fixed accordingly. I’ll be sticking with 2020 until 2024 is compatible
I will definitely wait until the Fenix suite of aircraft are compatible with MSFS2024. I was going to wait anyway irrespective to see the impact it may or may not have with 3rd party addons. I used to fly the PMDG 737, 738 exclusively, but now I am totally engrossed with the Fenix A320 and the level of features it provides
I was only reading about the Sharklets yesterday, and the update is here already.
I am coming back to FS and I am really sat on the fence as to getting 2020 or 2024. I have spent the last three weeks picking out a controller and the add-on European airports and aircraft I want. I have settled on the Fenix A320, 319, 321 pack, plus the Headwind 330-900. I have settled on the Thrustmaster TCA A320 Captain Pack. I have learned so much from your videos. I like the functionality of flight planning and the tools available in 2020. I have no interest in Career mode, Gaming modes or Challenges. I just want to get back to flying airliners and some R&R in a LS18 glider. In real life I flew a DG200 until illness forced retirement from flying. Thank you for your videos they are brilliantly explained tutorials.
Personally I think you'd be better off just waiting 2 weeks for 2024. Theoretically everything that works in 2020 will work in 2024 with minimal to no changes from third party devs. In reality I suspect there will be a flurry of minor updates coming out between 19th November and Christmas for anything that doesn't work or has bugs. If you buy 2020 now, I think you will quickly regret it.
Sharklets for free! Gotta love this addon…..it’s the gift that keeps on giving!
Glad I bought the Fénix a 320 and 319 321 expansion while on a discount 😀. Wish fenix would put throttle detent calibration in the EFB and take it out of the mcdu and have it like FBW does
I think by not giving Fenix access to MS2024 they're shooting themselves in the foot because I certainly won't move across to it until the a320 is available and working well
I think they didn’t do it because it’s completion (same family) as some of the A/C they hired inibuilds to do.
@@techtchr2012 Not really. CEOs and NEOs are different planes in so many ways.
@ are all the ini planes neos? I rarely fly the default stuff so I haven’t kept up on the actual planes coming in.
@@techtchr2012 There are 2 default A320 Neos in the sim, one by Asobo and one by iniBuilds. 2024 is getting an iniBuilds A321 Neo LR and iniBuilds A330 200 & 300. plus an updated A310. The iniBuilds A300 is a seperate payware product and obviously not a Neo. haha
Yes@@techtchr2012
I Have spent a absolute fortune on buying add-ons for Microsoft flight simulator there is no way I’m going to buy the new flight simulator until all my favourite aircraft and add ones are on there and there’s a massive improvement in the sim like WEATHER RADAR being in the game itself because it’s so expensive to buy especially if you buy the premium deluxe version so I will not be swapping from Microsoft flight simulator to Microsoft flight simulator 24 until I am absolutely 100% sure that it’s worth doing so. WEATHER RADAR…. WEATHER RADAR……WEATHER RADAR…… Cannot say this enough. I know there is talk that it will be on msfs24.
thank you for another great video. Personally I'm sticking with 2020 until they get everything up and running in the new sim. Shocking really that Fenix weren't granted any access to the new SDK yet. think they should have called is MSFS 2025....:)
I will always be a PMDG person but I’m telling you the Phoenix is so freaking good when I want my Boeing fix. I definitely go to PMDG when I want my airbus fix I go to Fenix
The new update definitely feels different while ground taxi. I fly the a320 lineup very often, and immediately noticed the “weight” feel while in taxi
Well since I am starving for a good A330 I will surely get FS24 as soon as it releases, because the default one doesn't look all too bad. I may keep FS2020 for the Fenix, but really only for the Fenix. But who knows the A330 and especially the upcoming "pure" ini A350 might ease the wait until Fenix have transitioned to FS24. But Fenix was pretty much all I flew in FS2020 as soon as it was released. They have set the new top standard for flight simulation and I can't wait what they bring next. What a time to be a flight simmer.
1:29 In their blog Fenix said “.. the A319 Sharklet is proving quite a challenge to get data on given only a handful exist”
Sadly I think my PC would require a big upgrade for 2024 and I remember as one of the first to get 2020, without much PC knowledge at that time. I remember the months of frustration of bugs on most updates, from the sim and Navigation units...One month the sim would work flawlessly then they would change something on an update and a month or so of frustration......So happy to wait a bit I think for 2024
I’m getting 2024 but will split my time between the two 2020 will stay on my machine for a while until Fenix, PMDG, Ejets, iFly, and just some stability fixes.
I mean if i dont se some significant performance improvements i will at least and i mean at least wait until all the addon i use will be updated.
I’m gonna stay with 2020 for probably about another year. I have a feeling that things are not going to be what they think they’re going to be and there’s gonna be a lot of add-on aircraft that’s not going to be immediately switched over. And I think that Sobo is gonna have to do some work on the code to get things right off the batso I would say probably close to a year but eventually I’ll switch over.
I will 'play' with 2024 when it comes out but will remain using 2020 with Fenix for serious simming until it's compatible with 2024.
Fenix should do a Proper A330-200/300/900 Neo cause there isn’t one. How is the headwind Neo nowadays?
Another great update from the team, do you know why I'm getting the pilot & Co pilot visible in the cockpit. I only get them if I use the livery Fenix livery manager... 😢. Thanks for yet another very useful video.
Would they have new simbrief profiles
Amazing video! Thanks!
How are the ACTs used? On my last flight one was filled and I pushed the ACT button. It said FWD. When it was empty, I got an ECAM message and turned it off again. When I don't push the button, will the fuel from the ACT still be used?
@@BartS52 The tanks empty in the following sequence :
The ACT2@ : Fuel transfers into the center tank.
The ACT1@ : Fuel transfers into the center tank.
The center tank.
The inner tanks: Each inner tank empties down to 750 kg (1 650 lb).
The outer tanks: Fuel transfers into the inner tanks.
one thing is missing now, the weather radar !!! big like
Won't even come with msfs2024 - at least initially
@@themorethemerrier281 really !
@elbapino6531 That's what Sebastian said.
Save state function too!!!
Anyone else noticed the simbrief empty weights are incorrect at least for the A321? No difference between the SL/ACT's as I thought there was supposed to be?
Excellent video thank you ! However, guys I need your help, getting freeze/stutters on touchdown pretty much every time, tried everything I could find on the internet to fix this, nothing works. We need to fix this as it ruins our simulation experience… please share you thoughts on this…!
Are you using Nvidia GeForce Experience by any chance?
@@Aza35617thanks for your answer! You mean the application where we can upgrade the drivers or put filters? I am using this application just to tchek on the new drivers available, I’m not doing any filters nor settings inside it
@@Aza35617 yes sir!
@@Aza35617 Should he be using GeForce Experience? Not?
Please add save state function!
I will also split time between MSFS2024 and MSFS2020 but I will be using 2020 much more given the amount of money I spent on mods, scenery, aircrafts, add ons, etc. Hopefully, they will all transition to 2024 which is when I will be ready to let go of 2020.
I’m pretty sure 2020 addons will work in 2024. Can’t verify but I read they’ll work fine, it’s up to the developer to update it to take advantage of new 2024 features however.
So now that the product line is virtually finished....what's next? But honestly, with the Fenix line plus the INI selection in FS2024 I don't know if I'll have time to touch a Boeing anytime soon!
Is it just me that it is not yet compatible with the winwing mcdu?
The Winwing MCDU isn't even out yet! If you mean FCU, then I think that's just you. Admittedly their website isn't very good at giving compatibility info, but if you look in the SimAppPro changelog, you can see when they've added compatibility for new planes, and the Fenix is on the list.
No. I have the same issue. Any ideas yet how to fix? SimAppPro did an update but doesn’t seem to have made any difference
Centre of pressure is changed, not the CG by very much.
Did they ever fix the bug that using a hardware assignment to swap radio frequencies doesnt actually swap the correct radio tuning?
Also is the aircraft still a pain to land due to exaggerated ground effect?
With this plane, the wings flap up and down. Any ideas? Even when stationary on the ground
hi，do u know why when l update , the new fence A320 with sharklet doesn’t appear in MSFS?
you need to also download a livery with sharklets
Hi, I’ve been having trouble installing the aircraft itself. It gets stuck on installing and doesn’t move! Any suggestions?
this the a320 fam going to fs24?
Fenix team really cooking in MSFS🔥 Best company for payware aircraft for sure!
Doesn't the A32X family have a refueling panel inside of the cockpit? Will Fenix implement this to allow us to refuel without the use of the EFB.
Not that I'm complaining i just think it would he neat
you can input it on the MCDU or with GSX
ground crew is responsable regarding refueling depending on the paperwork from the pilots
Until I'm hearing consistent reports that everything I currently use in 2020 is working reliably in 2024, I'm sticking. I anticipate the changeover to not be entirely stress-free, so I'm also waiting for someone to release a best-practice guide to doing so. There will be the innovators and early adopters who will boldly step into the unknown, bravely risking everything so that we don't have to. I'll proudly and patiently sit in the early majority group watching fires being put out while plodding along with the bloated MSFS2020.
In vpilot I guess we need to select the A32N option rather than the A320/1 option so that other people see the sharklets?
No. A20N refers to the A320 Neo, which is a different aircraft. You still need to select the correct aircraft so that the controllers know what you are flying.
@Easyjetsimpilot oh I get that it's for the neo. I mean that everyone else on the network will see the old version with winglets and not sharklets unless they update vpilot with a new entry for the SL model.
@@noisytwit That has to do with Model matching on other users sims. I prefer AIG. With AIG if your connected as Delta, AIG knows Delta uses SL so I would see SL. Now for American or any other mixed SL and Fenced winglet users it would be random. But yes as he said just connect as an A321 and others model matching will depend on what they use!
Does anyone have any idea what liveries there are for the twin class 321?
I don't think its enabled as when you select the FENIX livery one its still 230 seats
@tomstravels520 so its only in the Fenix livery?
Its there but ive got to admit ive not actually tried to use the twin class yet. Will try after work later i think. 👍
@ no, when I select either default Fenix livery it always says 230 passengers max for the A321
I will be sticking with 2020 for the time being. Big mistake for Microsoft to lock Fenix out of the developer program. The only thing I would really like to see is the neo variant - otherwise I think this Fenix family is absolutely fabulous.
You can see how hard they are trying to keep their pilots, cause now with the release of the FBW a380 everyone wants to try it. But I have to say, thay are absolutely nailing this a 320, it’s becoming so close to perfection that they will not even have anything else to improve shortly. Thay should really start developing some new aircraft types.
Well they still have all the Neos and the A318 they could do. I'm not that interested in the 18, but I would definitely take Fenix level Neos. Even though the iniBuilds and the FBW ones are both very good, they don't take things to the nth degree of perfection like Fenix do. Also, the Neos are now the best selling aircraft in the world and it won't be long before there are more of them out there than the CEOs (we're almost at the point with the A321 Neo, and the A320 Neo is about 2 years away from overtaking the CEO).
@@mdhazeldinegot the same sentiments as you! i can only imagine if Fenix made the A20N/21N CFM LEAP and PW, XLR variants! Even if it would be another £80 i’d happily buy it!
What's about fslab ? Is this company still alive?😅
I’ll stay with P3D until 2024 and Fenix or FSLabs are in place. I got a new PC and can’t be bothered to reinstall 2020 when 2024 is just around the corner.
Microsoft blocking Fenix from the Alpha to boost their financial agreement with Inibuilds. Scandelous.
Those who buy fenix for msfs2020 will have them for free in msfs2024 or have to pay again?
Keeping 2020 until the major bugs, which i expect, are patched in 2024!
Me before watching latest MFSF2024 developer streaming with A330/A321LR/A400/Beluga:-"I'll be sticking with MSFS2020 no matter what!-.
Me after watched that very same video:-"Never mind!"
ua-cam.com/video/x-qVKe5K1Y4/v-deo.html
great update
I will stay with FS2020 until I understand what FS2024 is, because I'm afraid it's going to be more a game than a simulator
I love the new sharklet version, but I do not like the cheesy little decals the artist put on the cockpit panels for the various liveries 😡
I will switch to FS2024 on day one. After the Aircraft Partner Stream last night, I am confident that we can spend lots of hours with the new sim, until the devs made their steps to be compatible with the new sim. Pretty sure, that I am not going to look back to 2020 after November 19th 😁
First comment from Medellín Colombia 🇨🇴
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Saludos desde Costa Rica, Pura vida
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@@Duquepilot total jajajajaja
I will buy Fenix when they bring out a converted freighter A320