As a former player who has fought many times in hockey (not the NHL, obviously) I have to say thanks so much for this. It’s long been my opinion that hockey fights tend to go on with little innovation, and Ive always wondered what a highly skilled and knowledgeable person like John would think to do in a hockey style fight. He is right in that one choice of places to grip will be upper chest, collar area, and when this happens, the idea is to straight arm your opponent to keep him from being able to reach your face with his fist. You can use this grip to try to maneuver his position, and you can actually throw little jabs in his face using the same hand you grab that jersey with. However, the fist in armpit maneuver is something that I did not know about, and it seems like just the type of thing I hoped to learn about here, so thank you for that. Conversely, however, an even more common grip than this one is the upper arm grip on the opponents strong side. If you get a good grip there, you can literally prevent him use of that swing. Of course, he will do the same thing to you, and this makes the fight a little less active in terms of punches landing, but the constant attempt to pull the other guy off balance is where they find the openings. I also didnt even know that the best place to punch is the side chin, lol. I think generally we don’t bother aiming that much. But it’s good to know that perhaps this is something that should be learned. One thing I would ask John if I could, is with regards to perhaps some techniques that help to actually pull an opponent off balance like that. I say this because it is extremely difficult to do unless you’re much stronger than the other guy. It is more difficult to pull a well developed hockey player off skates than it is to pull a normal person off of feet. We learn to use our edges and foot work for stability, and the strength of the hockey player base of legs and core are immense, as they really need to be in order to skate with stability whilst taking contact. So we see combatants try to pull one another off balance, and yet there are times when it seems rather impossible. Any ideas much appreciated?
Actually a pretty decent way to correlate Jiu Jitsu to reality, that said, the grip fighting of Modern Judo is imo the most under utilized area of combat sports for self defense, because what Danaher described is inevitably a strength and stalling game, whereas competitive Judoka are regularly setting up more advanced gripping combinations into takedowns all the time. Same with wrestling, and just a little bit of that kind of training can take you so far in training or a fight.
Judo grip fighting sucks. You limited to sleeve or lapel. Plus the type of jacket matters. Hockey jersey have lots of stretch and no thick collar unlike judo gi.
@@MbisonBalrog Not sure you understand what I'm getting at. First off, you can also grab the back of the neck. (that's probably the most common in sport tbh) Also a 2 on 1 with a Jacket can rely on a number of different gripping variations. At a high level the grip fight starts before a grip is even made. Just like in Wrestling. For example, my favorite strategy is to bait my left hand and then grab their right as they attempt to grab my left. Then I transition to a 2 on 1 grip. I'm sure that's not communicated well online, but it works for me. Now I have two arms controlling their right arm. Even just knowing and having a basic strategy to get the dominant arm out of the way is a big step up from nothing. That's my main point. Also if someone grabs your cross side lapel, you may be able to counter that by pulling guard into an armbar. Their arm is inherently across center line. Maybe Trap it.
@@cameronforbes2649 if grab back of neck collar they do same. Is neutral. No 2 on 1. Cross grip illegal. Judo is largely strength. At that point not matter what grip you have.
I wish this was around when I was a teenager, where I grew up in small town Saskatchewan everybody fought this way even off the ice. Because everybody grew up playing hockey.
This shit should just be called "Danaher street fighting tips". Such a simple idea that I never considered in the several or so street fights I've been in.
I have a question about this! I watched an experienced martial artist (boxer, jiu jitsu) get absolutely destroyed in a bar fight by a guy who grabbed his shirt like this because he couldn’t get that hand loose while getting smashed with haymakers. How would you defend against someone who would fight like that? I’m Canadian and we see it all the time in bar fights because of our affinity to hockey.
Street fighting depends a lot on the context of the place and the situation as a whole. Taking this isolated case without knowing the situation at the time but assuming he knew bjj why didn't he shorten the distance and take it down right away? But as I said, I don't know what the circumstances of the fight were, I imagine he was scared by the blows and paralyzed.
Thought the same thing… looks neat… but I don’t know if old man jiu jitsu is the move here… the foot and leg positions he demonstrated here can’t even translate over to rollerblades. Rolling around on the ground is neat…. But is sure as hell ain’t standing up on ice on quarter inch blades… the boys should really lace up some jets here… clowns even
The way he shows his punch you're gonna end up with a boxers fracture almost everytime you always wanna land with the pointer and middle knuckle with those knuckles aligned with the wrist up to your forearm. Otherwise his instruction is good
True, but tbh Danaher probably wouldn't strike in a street scenario, I'd imagine he'd just ragdoll & strangle the individual like he did back in his bounching days in the 90's NYC scene
Not if you land the punch on the jaw, which Danaher says is the only target. Punching anywhere else on the skull is like striking a bowling ball, and yes doing that comes with a definite risk of hand fracture.
Having rewatched this, at 4:42, Danaher does clearly articulate, "if my thumb is up, I tend to impact off the shoulders & make contact with 𝗹𝗲𝘀𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗻 𝗼𝗽𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘀...Always hit the 𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗷𝗮𝘄."
@@jayakron3076 that's all well and good if you have Adesanya-like pinpoint accuracy and timing. You can and should target the jaw, but in a fist fight shit happens, heads turn at the last second, and if you're landing with the small knuckles you're absolutely going to break your hand. That's why you plan to land with the first two knuckles with the wrist lined up with the forearm. Find me one striking coach that teaches to throw punches like Danaher does. Just one, and I'll concede you won the argument.
This is cool but there is a lot of technique that he is missing. I think he would be very surprised if he talked to a lot of fighters in hockey. He is missing key elements. for example he would break his hand on all those punches from hitting the helmet. also he is missing using the grip hand as a jab to off balance his opponent.
Nah he’s at Bernardo Daria’s academy in Bedford, Massachusetts which is right outside Boston. The other guy who’s with him is Giancarlo Bodani who taught there until he moved to Austin recently
Holy crap, even Danaher’s instructionals on hockey fighting are thorough and analytical lol.
As a former player who has fought many times in hockey (not the NHL, obviously) I have to say thanks so much for this. It’s long been my opinion that hockey fights tend to go on with little innovation, and Ive always wondered what a highly skilled and knowledgeable person like John would think to do in a hockey style fight. He is right in that one choice of places to grip will be upper chest, collar area, and when this happens, the idea is to straight arm your opponent to keep him from being able to reach your face with his fist. You can use this grip to try to maneuver his position, and you can actually throw little jabs in his face using the same hand you grab that jersey with. However, the fist in armpit maneuver is something that I did not know about, and it seems like just the type of thing I hoped to learn about here, so thank you for that.
Conversely, however, an even more common grip than this one is the upper arm grip on the opponents strong side. If you get a good grip there, you can literally prevent him use of that swing. Of course, he will do the same thing to you, and this makes the fight a little less active in terms of punches landing, but the constant attempt to pull the other guy off balance is where they find the openings.
I also didnt even know that the best place to punch is the side chin, lol. I think generally we don’t bother aiming that much. But it’s good to know that perhaps this is something that should be learned.
One thing I would ask John if I could, is with regards to perhaps some techniques that help to actually pull an opponent off balance like that. I say this because it is extremely difficult to do unless you’re much stronger than the other guy. It is more difficult to pull a well developed hockey player off skates than it is to pull a normal person off of feet. We learn to use our edges and foot work for stability, and the strength of the hockey player base of legs and core are immense, as they really need to be in order to skate with stability whilst taking contact. So we see combatants try to pull one another off balance, and yet there are times when it seems rather impossible. Any ideas much appreciated?
Actually a pretty decent way to correlate Jiu Jitsu to reality, that said, the grip fighting of Modern Judo is imo the most under utilized area of combat sports for self defense, because what Danaher described is inevitably a strength and stalling game, whereas competitive Judoka are regularly setting up more advanced gripping combinations into takedowns all the time. Same with wrestling, and just a little bit of that kind of training can take you so far in training or a fight.
Judo grip fighting sucks. You limited to sleeve or lapel. Plus the type of jacket matters. Hockey jersey have lots of stretch and no thick collar unlike judo gi.
@@MbisonBalrog Not sure you understand what I'm getting at.
First off, you can also grab the back of the neck. (that's probably the most common in sport tbh)
Also a 2 on 1 with a Jacket can rely on a number of different gripping variations.
At a high level the grip fight starts before a grip is even made. Just like in Wrestling. For example, my favorite strategy is to bait my left hand and then grab their right as they attempt to grab my left. Then I transition to a 2 on 1 grip. I'm sure that's not communicated well online, but it works for me. Now I have two arms controlling their right arm.
Even just knowing and having a basic strategy to get the dominant arm out of the way is a big step up from nothing. That's my main point.
Also if someone grabs your cross side lapel, you may be able to counter that by pulling guard into an armbar. Their arm is inherently across center line. Maybe Trap it.
@@cameronforbes2649 if grab back of neck collar they do same. Is neutral. No 2 on 1. Cross grip illegal. Judo is largely strength. At that point not matter what grip you have.
I wish this was around when I was a teenager, where I grew up in small town Saskatchewan everybody fought this way even off the ice. Because everybody grew up playing hockey.
Everyone has the same access to knowledge though…
@@tomevers6670 yeah but not everybody outside of MMA and BJJ fans know who John Danaher is though.
@@ZakH644 you don’t need much skill vs incompetent people.. basically anything works 🤷🏻♂️
"Break the wrist, walk away."
"Yea, I wouldn't want to fight me neither"
You obviously don't know who Danaher is
Hockey players are great fighters. The balance it takes to perform this on the ice is incredible. Very effective style of self defense as well.
Everything he says it’s thought out so well no bullshit.
How have I missed this
This shit should just be called "Danaher street fighting tips". Such a simple idea that I never considered in the several or so street fights I've been in.
This going to be a bonus on the next dvd?
a self defense tutorial that actually works, I didn't knew that gi grips translated so well in hockey fights.
love those elbow strikes
Hahahahahaha best thing I saw on the internets for today
Yo didn't know Danaher did striking tutorials?! Where can I see this full?
apparently he had trained kickboxing/muay thai for a while before he ever found bjj
Top Geezer
ik he is a real ninja BUT do it on skates on ice big difference
what's the technique about bashing your stick over their head
Got to work on getting their helmet off first then jersey over the head. He forgot the Hanson Brothers wave to the crowd en route to the box.
I have a question about this! I watched an experienced martial artist (boxer, jiu jitsu) get absolutely destroyed in a bar fight by a guy who grabbed his shirt like this because he couldn’t get that hand loose while getting smashed with haymakers.
How would you defend against someone who would fight like that? I’m Canadian and we see it all the time in bar fights because of our affinity to hockey.
First try to avoid being so close that he can get his perfect grip, second fight his grip as soon as he gets it preferably by getting your own
A good option for someone getting too close can be the elbows and the knees.
@@SundownTE but then you out of range as well.
Street fighting depends a lot on the context of the place and the situation as a whole. Taking this isolated case without knowing the situation at the time but assuming he knew bjj why didn't he shorten the distance and take it down right away? But as I said, I don't know what the circumstances of the fight were, I imagine he was scared by the blows and paralyzed.
Would this work in a street fight does anyone know???
Love this lol
hello broken knuckles
as always, Danaher talking at the tone of a mouse queef
That is one of the funniest fucking things I've heard in months.
Why does moving grip to armpit ease getting opponent head down?
where is this hockey club and how can i join?
I wonder if he can skate or ever tried this stuff while skating?
Thought the same thing… looks neat… but I don’t know if old man jiu jitsu is the move here… the foot and leg positions he demonstrated here can’t even translate over to rollerblades. Rolling around on the ground is neat…. But is sure as hell ain’t standing up on ice on quarter inch blades… the boys should really lace up some jets here… clowns even
maybe this would be better for a fan brawl but i think if the skaters have a good centre of gravity it shouldnt matter so much
The way he shows his punch you're gonna end up with a boxers fracture almost everytime you always wanna land with the pointer and middle knuckle with those knuckles aligned with the wrist up to your forearm. Otherwise his instruction is good
100%. That's day one boxing stuff. You NEVER want to turn your wrist or land with the pinky/ring knuckles.
True, but tbh Danaher probably wouldn't strike in a street scenario, I'd imagine he'd just ragdoll & strangle the individual like he did back in his bounching days in the 90's NYC scene
Not if you land the punch on the jaw, which Danaher says is the only target. Punching anywhere else on the skull is like striking a bowling ball, and yes doing that comes with a definite risk of hand fracture.
Having rewatched this, at 4:42, Danaher does clearly articulate, "if my thumb is up, I tend to impact off the shoulders & make contact with 𝗹𝗲𝘀𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗻 𝗼𝗽𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗮𝗹 𝗮𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘀...Always hit the 𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗷𝗮𝘄."
@@jayakron3076 that's all well and good if you have Adesanya-like pinpoint accuracy and timing. You can and should target the jaw, but in a fist fight shit happens, heads turn at the last second, and if you're landing with the small knuckles you're absolutely going to break your hand. That's why you plan to land with the first two knuckles with the wrist lined up with the forearm. Find me one striking coach that teaches to throw punches like Danaher does. Just one, and I'll concede you won the argument.
You lost the moment you put on a Bruins jersey
Lmao
I think the question that nobody’s willing to ask is why does he got a Bruins jersey on?
He's in Boston at Bernardo's place
Has John ever had a fight
The dude bounced in NYC for years and in New Zealand to. He's been in a bunch of them. lol
This is cool but there is a lot of technique that he is missing. I think he would be very surprised if he talked to a lot of fighters in hockey. He is missing key elements. for example he would break his hand on all those punches from hitting the helmet. also he is missing using the grip hand as a jab to off balance his opponent.
This has to be some deep fake AI bullshit
Nah he’s at Bernardo Daria’s academy in Bedford, Massachusetts which is right outside Boston. The other guy who’s with him is Giancarlo Bodani who taught there until he moved to Austin recently
Is this real?
Yes I wonder the same. Or is this a fantasy of some kind