£220 Erbauer EPT1500 254mm Planer/Thicknesser [Video
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- In this video I answer a few of the many questions around my recent purchase of the #Erbauer EPT1500 250/200mm #Planer/Thicknesser or #jointer - the cheapest new 250mm planer/thicknesser you can currently buy in the UK.
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I bought the equivalent model from Workzone many years ago. I took the time to square it all up which was repaid in the years after. I have since built and flown 2 wooden build aircraft, and i am now builiding the 3rd one. My unit is accurate to 0.10 mm and has planed/thicknessed approx 4000 m of wood in all sizes.
Quirky little devil. Do come back and update us on the performance down the road. Really appreciated the time you took to walk us through the sequential steps of truing a board, face by face on that type of equipment. I was never really able to grasp the basic theory of that operation while watching others do that. Now it is crystal clear and the information will be usable with hand tools or machinery. Thank you.
Thanks! Yes, there’ll be more to come on this as I get to use it more. 👍👍
Hi Peter, thank you for explaining the 'jointer' role, which I never understood before today.
I have that same machine Peter. The issue with the cutting off is due to the flimsy "safety" cut-out. There is a little mild steel lever which presses against a micro-switch to complete the circuit. This lever is very flimsy and bends easily. If you take the side cover off, it's very easy to bend it back into shape. The trick is to be very careful when using the machine as a planer or jointer. The dust collection port presses against the lever & can bend it if the height adjuster is over-tightened. Just wind the mechanism until you hear the micro-switch click and you're golden.
Thanks Tom, appreciate the comment on an older video. It wasn’t the micro switch/cut-out though - that was one of the first things I checked - but I agree it’s a pretty flimsy affair! 👍
3:30 "Why didn't you buy used machine?" For that question very, very simple answer. Very good machines/equipment that are used just aren't sold virtually at all. I buy very mismash of tools. But certain tools for even hobbyist like myself I get top-of-the-end quality ones, like ratchets, sockets etc. They cost much and I intend to use them for long as I live if possible. This is quite common, so very high quality used things for cheap price are almost non-existent. It's pretty much when stuff are sold from someone who has died when you _might_ come across them. Or option two that you have very good connections to people and manage to get stuff that companies dismiss etc. It's like I have bought one toolset of about 500 euros, so I'm not going to sell it and get worse option. I'd sell pretty much anything else if it got to that point. People who purposely buy expensive items tend to really think through that purchase to not have disappointment. Plus the almost universal truth is that almost always expensive stuff is good stuff. Like I bought 20euro Jigsaw and thought that it would be good enough for my very modest needs. I tried it twice and throw it in trash as it missed following: t-shank, speed adjustment and swing. I ordered about 250 euro machine with all those missing items, plus soft start, automatic torque compensation, low center of gravity frame etc. I was sure that I'll be bit disappointed to buy so expensive replacement. But after first cut I was already convinced that "this is the thing" and now I would also be very hesitant to get rid of it. Good stuff is just worth it in many cases. Especially if you've suffered with the poor quality ones :)
Ok if you don't use it to often , it's not designed for heavy work loads but ok for the jobber joiner or home use , I would bye separate units as it gives two separate motors that gives less load conditions on them !
I was spoiled. I had a machine that plained both sides at the same time - while jointing BOTH! edges at the same time as well! We called it “the 4 blade machine” but in Swedish.
They're called 4-cutters in the UK. Useful bits of kit!
I had an Erbauer 10 miter saw. Really good, cut well, powerful, accurate. Good value for money.
When it failed about 3 years down the line the lack of available spare parts meant I had to scrap it. If you buy DeWalt, sorry I am a black and Yellow chap, but similar with Mikita and other you can get spares. When the black and yellow router died spares not an issue, and I fixed a Bosch router for a friend, easy spares again
As the guarantee is two years, if it dies after this time that is the end of your investment
Yes. If that happens I’m perfectly happy with the sunk cost of ~£9/month. If it lasts longer then I’m quids in. 👍
I did have a very similar model. Changing from thicknesser to surface planer was a chore. After shortening my middle finger by about 1/2 an inch on the surface planer, I decided that perhaps it wasn't the tool for me. I've now got a stand alone thicknesser from Axminster
In Scotland we call it facing and edging. I've never used that type of machine I've only used full sized industrial over head planers and facer and Edger they are quite big machines and scerry things I thought when I started bench joinery and cabinet making .
I had one of these for years, bought it used, it worked very well for the price. I recommend you fasten it down to the bench to prevent it tipping when you machine big planks. I sold it for more than it cost me, and bought a bigger Scheppach.
Hello there,
That's an interesting story. I didn't know that there were "bigger" Scheppachs. The equivalent to this one now costs 440€ here in France- far too much for what it has to offer. I wonder what model you bought?
Hi Peter, I had totally forgotten about the up/down handle, I had an extension for a screwdriver (if you buy a set of screwdriver bits you get one of these) and added it to the handle so I don't have that problem anymore.
Why dont you get in and out level table - on rollers? As not to worry about catching the thicknessed material?
At the end of the day you for what you get, do agree the handle should have been longer , the switch mine went just after the the year so mine was broken so replacement was a better switch stuck out a little bit more, but worked well still is 3 years on. Planing machine I used a Whitehead 3 phase 8" blades and 4" thickness cut. Cast iron table and cast body, but that was second hand 50 plus years ago and then cost more than yours. I we used to do the blade change on it 3 blade block it had, sorry gone on a bit. If it works for you great keep us informed. Get on to company about safety with the adjuster handle. Might has sorted it out by the time I buy one. Keep on enjoy channel.
I have the SCHEPPACH HMS 2000 204MM from SF. It’s very good.
I wish I could afford a Wadkin. Nearly bought one a year ago for a couple of grand. But I don’t do enough planing/thicknessing to justify it.
Good insight into the planer/thicknesser. That said I don't do enough in wood to justify buying one.
Hi Peter, I am on to my 2nd planer/thicknesser, I bought the 1st one from Screwfix and was very happy with it for over a year. The only reason I bought another one is my son "borrowed" my 1st one and has very sticky fingers so after several requests for him to return my machine I decided that it would be easier to buy another one. I use mine outside, so I don't hook it up to dust collection but ear defenders are a must. I am very happy with the quality of the wood after it has been through the thicknesser and apart from breaking a belt "this was my fault trying to take off too much wood" I haven't had any problems with it. Just to upset you both of my machines were under £100. The 1st machine I had, there were no micro switches and as I don't use the dust hood I took the 2nd machine back because I could not get it to work. The manager of Screwfix read the manual that came with the machine and put the dust hood on and the machine started straight away
Thanks John! 👍
Louis Theroux on budget tools. Jokes aside, I’ve had the Clarke version in my soggy shed for years, just got it up and running and still works a dream!
Absolutely agree with the blade guard in the ribs issue. My lack of patience with poor design features would have me pull the plastic end cap off the guard and slide it out and off. That would probably be safer than the inadvertent jamb in the ribs which could bend the not so rigid assembly. Slide it out, slip it back in when done with thicknessing. Not having it right in front of me and not being likely to actually have that occur here in the US, it's just a speculative solution. Pretty sure you'll get creative and remedy that nuisance. ;-)
got one myself and the start switch did the same ,but after a while of pressing the off switch first then the start it worked perfectly
I've been put off buying one of these machines because I feared they'd be cheap and tacky and even though they are reasonably priced I thought that it may be a waste of money, I am looking forward to your follow up review, this type of machine would certainly be of use to me and the compact design is what I would need, just need to know if it's any good. Another good video thanks for the info.👍
It's certainly 'built to a price', but then it's also the cheapest 10" planer/thicknesser you can buy, by a wide margin. I bought it with very little expectation of longevity, but with a simple approach; if it fails just outside of warranty then I'll have had my moneys-worth out of it and I'll probably be hankering after something better. If it fails within warranty then it'll likely be replaced with new, and I'll have a newer machine to sell on if/when I upgrade. 🤷♂️ 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for taking the time to reply, that's not a bad point about the warranty.🤔
I had one of these machines for ½ a day. It arrived, I unboxed and assembled it. Plugged it in then thought to check the infeed/outfeed flatness. There was about a 2degree up angle on the infeed table and no means to adjust it like on my old Axminster Perform unit. Shame, it looked promising. It was back with Screwfix for a full refund the same day. Only real gripe - the box disintegrated as I repacked it but Screwfix didn't mind.
I have the Charnwood 8 inch model in thicknesser mode I unscrew and take the whole blade guard off. Also I use my battery drill with a hex head bit to run the thickness selector up and down.
Hi Peter thanks again for a very informative video of the planer/thicknesser ‘pre-review’ review. Was looking at the Titan but this gives that bit more for not a lot extra. Thanks
It's the same machine as the Titan, just branded differently, I've used the Titan for a couple of years and for the money you can't complain.
@ J-P W. No, it’s not the same machine. As I say in the video, there *was* an Erbauer machine that was similar, this is a 10”/250mm P/T, the Titan is 8”/200mm. Different animal altogether. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Your absolutely right Peter, for some reason I had it in my head my Titan had a 10" bed on it, oh well.
You don't need the bladeguard while you are using the underfloor-thicknesser. Just remove it using the red knob-srew.
Regards.
Great video as always Peter. Wish you had made it about 2 years ago when I bought the Titan you mention. I hardly use and when I do only in thickness mode. In surfacing/jointing I found the results to be very disappointing. Maybe technique my but I found that boards came out with more twist than they started with, so I went back to doing it by hand the old fashioned way.
I'm with you on that one, Peter; that bolt being an inch too short would drive me nuts too (pardon the pun). I would actually demand a longer bolt from Erbauer. Thanks for sharing this. looks like a good machine for the price though.
I have had 3 of these over the past year, each lasting about 3 months with some decent use. They end up eating blades up amd juddering an awful lot when thicknessing, the rollers rubbers disintegrate. Not to mention each one needed alot of work to get the outfeed table parrallel for surface planing!
Other than that, how did you like the play? 😆 Appreciate the heads-up; can I ask if Screwfix OK about the returns/exchanges? Thanks! 👍
Had one for about 7 years and its still going strong, I only use it for thicknessing small stock instead of using the big wadkin
Hello there Peter,
You have made my day! Hmmmmm, may I explain?
I am a semi-retired cabinet maker and antique furniture restorer, living (oh my God) in the Gallic nightmare some people choose to call France. Mon Dieu, quelle misère!
Even God has given up on this (God)-foresaken destitute place. Don't get me wrong, there's some excellent wine and cheese. The women are rather fetching too (the best choice is in Paris of course, where I lived for thirty years).
And now for something completely different (dixit Cleese the Great).
I was accustomed to fabulous old cast iron planers and thicknesses, some of which were nearly a century old. I'm talking about BIG, sturdy, reliable and precise machines that usually weigh well in excess of a ton and a half. These were in workshops that did some of the best work on the planet (the famous "Faubourg Saint Antoine" near the Bastille, where a five hundred year old furniture tradition was carried out). This is where the famous André-Charles Boulle (intricate marquetry in tortoiseshell with engraved brass inlay). Enough of that.
I'm now in the Breton (west) countryside, with NO hardware shops AT ALL. Nothing. France is a very expensive place to live, and goods cost at least twice or thrice the price of the UK. The after sales service is CRAP. I mean it.
So, thanks to you Peter, after a very long search on these kinds of machines, I have decided I will try this one out. Don't worry, I won't come and get you if anything goes wrong! I've been doing a hell of a lot of research, and it's simply NOT worth paying much more than this joey here. By European standards you'd have to jump to the 1k€ to even begin to get anything reliable. Every single one of these machines in this category are practically identical, so it's not worth wasting your money on a "better" machine.
This one sounds much less noisy than the Titan, and it has a larger planing capacity.
Your video was very helpful, so thank you ever so much for helping me make my decision. I'll be ordering mine through a friend in Cornwall, who'll be over next month. Job done.
God bless. Stay safe.
Greetings from France,
Ralph
Hi there Peter,
It looks like sadly Screwfix no longer carry this model, or I might be wrong. Couldn't find it on their UK site. Despite the German sounding name, I expect it's made in PRC, as usual. If you happen to have any info, or links, would appreciate very much.
Have a nice day.
Best regards,
Ralph
Regarding the thickness adjustment handle, you don't actually need the blade guard on there if the dust extraction hood is fulfilling the dual purpose of extracting and guarding the blade.... so should be perfectly safe to remove the blade guard while thicknessing. Just a thought!
As I'm sure you understand, I can't show the removal of a safety feature 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop you're just replacing the safety feature with another one...
I had the Titan machine which was ok but not particularly easy to change modes. I gave that machine to a friend when I moved from the UK. Hopefully I will be able to get a new workshop setup in 2022.
Another helpful video and I appreciate you highlighting the issues a buyer needs to be aware of 👍
I've had one of these for several years now and it's a great tool, a bit cumbersome at times but a very good and valuable tool.
Good to know, thanks Peter! 👍👍
Alright Peter mate.. I'm in the market for a planer and thicknesser so this would be brilliant for me due to the fact my shop is 16X10ish.. I'm very happy tohear u say it's a very decent machine for the price range.. Again thank you Peter .. Much appreciated
Thanks! It’s a decent machine for the price, but I think you might struggle to find one these days - this vid’s a couple of years old, and I’ve had comments from a few folks to say it might have been discontinued, at least under the erbauer brand. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop That's a shame if it has been discontinued Peter.. Thanks all the same anyways man.. Love ur videos bcos u speak clearly and honestly on machines and the likes.. I'm gutted about it being stopped but I'll keep looking for one now anyways.. It's comical how ScrewFix handle things with returns.. They don't really care bcos they'll get their money back on it and will be able to fix it and sell it to one of the staff at a really low discount.. Some of the staff would have exp fixing stuff like that one but u got lucky that it started up for u..
It was great to hear how well it worked after the bad start.. Hearing u got such a nice finish on ur planks of wood was brilliant.. I would change the fence completely if I had one of them.. I'm going to do my best to try and find one with Screw fix in the future,,.. Didn't u say it had the smaller blades that u can turn singley to get a sharp edge again.. I think u were speaking about that.. Hope I'm right anyways Peter mate..
Take it easy man & best of luck in the future my friend,,
Apologies for another longwinded comment..
I have to say it’s a nice all in one especially for the size.
I a retired automotive technician and I’ve come to dislike engineers, it’s like they have no common sense lol. But looks like a great machine, I have a 8” jointer with a 6’ bed it works incredible but it takes up way to much space.
I loved your video on your holiday not only fascinated but incredible to see how much or high the water comes up, and people who live there seem to just roll with it, that alone is just incredible. Take Care
Thanks! 👍👍
The fence is often shorter than the bed, if you look at the expensive units this is normal (Kity, Casolin, Felder etc). Longer it is, harder to keep it square.
Yes, he doesn't seem to be familiar with the tool
Very nicely explained from start to finish. It's certainly helped me in my decision and understanding of what i'm after. Thanks a lot..
Thank you! 👍
Thanks Peter! I have another badge version of this machine and the fence is even flimsier, and yes the height drive handle is still a product from Bastards Incorporated. (Classic Aussie comedy - worth a search.) But otherwise, like you say, it's reasonable and serviceable for the price if you only need it occasionally. With some patience, decent results come out of it and you can pack it away under a bench
Cheers Jason! Yes, the ‘packing away under the bench’ part is a must, for me! 👍👍
I took my Titan planer thicknesser back to Screwfix a while ago because of a malfunction and they took it back as it was; no question of having to dismantle it. The same with an Evolution mitre saw more recently.
Thanks! Yes, this is what I’m being told by those at the ‘coal face’. 👍👍
I've always thought that this the most useful tool for the hobbyist / occasional carpenter: quality wood is expensive and a pain to get so owning a tool like this enables you to re-use any old bit of timber or parts of furniture that comes your way. Ok, it only handles planks up to a certain size so you'll need another tool to cut them but that's besides the point (you can always gnaw at larger pieces till they get to a size that fits).
Now, having said that, re-cycling wood can be fraught with perils... of all sorts.
At the very least, a strong magnet would be very handy in detecting nails and screws but, still, it would only pick those made of iron.
Hello there,
Apparently there ARE metal detectors on the market. It might be with looking into.
Good day, I was pleased to hear the 250mm was available, I know it’s been a year, but it seems they’re no no longer sold, can’t find one anywhere
Yes, so I’ve been told. If you look through the comments I think a few folks have said they found it at B&Q. This vid’s from November 2019 BTW, and I bought it a couple of months before that. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes, B&Q are advertising them at £110 down from £220
Even tho they don’t have any..
Great channel, if you get a lot of pings it’ll be me binge watching 👍
I have the smaller Titan version from Screwfix. It does a good job apart from the inevitable "snipe" issue . However the large pulley drive belt snapped after the machine stood idle for a few months.
They are not the easiest items to source and I suspect that the pulley bearings may seize after periods of non -use.
After the machine has stood idle for a while I suggest that the front cover be removed and the pulleys are checked for free movement prior to starting otherwise the thin drive belt will be shredded in seconds.
Hi Peter. I bought the Titan 8" PT two years ago. Since then it has worked hard and never missed a beat. I am now thinking of upgrading to the Erbaurer 10" to be able to plane and thickness wider larger planks. I have mine on a cart with casters and manage to use the machine for thicknessing with the blade guard on the other side from where I stand. Not so easy on your bench though. Swopping from one mode to the other is very easy once you have done it a few times!
Thanks. Yeah, this was just a 'first thoughts' video from a while back - I've used it a bit more now, most recently in the 'my first chopping board' video - ua-cam.com/video/WkRQ9gSD0Go/v-deo.html! 👍👍
Really useful quick 'review', thanks Peter
No questions return is best thing from Screwfix. Had the 305mm double sliding bevel mitre saw for 24 hours. Amazingly dangerous misalignment of blade. Customer service said to return immediately. Think they pulled the product.
Kept the jigsaw I bought at the same time. It's horrible. Not a patch on 25-year old green Bosch DIY.
Glad your planer thicknesser worked but wouldn't trust quality control for a dangerous piece of equipment.
Great review,
If I was you I would contact the maker technical department and explain the depth crank situation and you never know they might reimburse you.
I think that you deserve a free planer at least!.
Thanks! Pretty sure they don’t make this any more - old vid - but a good idea! 👍
Only today found this video, but it has been of great help. Btw I have found the machine, but with a different brand name. But it does seem they listened to you as they have changed some of the features you spoke about.
There are two videos by Matthias Hornberger and Cosmas in which they build a diy fence on their very similar machines. Thought it might help! Cheers
I had a Woodstar for a while, which I'm guessing is another version of the same machine? Good results for what it was but it was a complete PITA to setup & use. It fairly quickly stripped a gear, which was irreplaceable so it ended up in a skip, which is a real waste. Ended up with a more industrial, second hand, machine which has been worth every penny & will probably outlast me. The only disadvantage is the space it takes up. I guess the whole buy nice or buy twice is why most people end up with Festool eventually.
Thanks, Peter, this looks like a good buy for about £200. Used to have a Dewalt over and under a few years ago. I can assure you that all these small machines have some petty niggles that could have been sorted out at the design stage. Moved up to an Axminster trade unit, bliss!
I had one of these, great machine couldn't fault it apart from the thicknesser bed winding up or lowering on one side first
Did you find the cause?
I thought I was doing something wrong with the depth rotator hitting the guard. Glad I’m not the only one who came across this 😂
I nearly purchased one of those but went with the Triton Thicknesser as I use hand planes as well
I’m thinking of doing the exact same. What do you think of the triton?
Very wise choice, its amazing value and so much better
Looks like it does the job....eventually! The thing with entry level kit is that it works well at first, (once you get over the design flaws). Long term things go wrong and you find everything is made to the same quality as the original glitches that you found.
I'm afraid I wouldn't have listened to the Screwfix nonsense about dismantling. I'd have put it on the counter and asked them to show me the clause in the guarantee relating to how much storage space they have when accepting a return, then asked how much compensation I was getting as a professional tradesman for having to build another one....unless you have time to do it and test it for me, because if I have to bring another one back......?!!
Got there in the end though.
Relating to the winder issue, would that guard not have flipped over the opposite way?
I've had a DeWalt thickness-er for about 15 years now. Still as good as new, I have an entry level 6" stand alone planer, again that still works well, but hasn't seen much use.....hence all my wavy installations ;-)
I've got one of these that's branded Lumberjack that I've had for 5-6 years and there are some differences. Firstly the fence isn't as solid looking but the quality look about the same (needs work to make it that usable). The handle for the thicknesser bench is different though and you can adjust it with the guard over the top of the dust collector. Finally the bed has a bit that comes out to allow it to catch longer pieces of wood. Is it amazing, no, but as I think was the conclusion here it's about the best you'll get for the size and price point for a hobbyist who's starting out.
Thanks! Yes, exactly! Always amazes me that some folks can't seem to see beyond the fact that it's the cheapest 10" P/T available. It's a 10" P/T vs no 10" P/T - I thought that was a simple enough choice, lol! Far from the best, but for the money there's nothing else that comes close. 🤷♂️ 👍
Hi Peter, I had one of these for awhile 8”. Used for many years on and off. However it did fail when a mate was using it. Wasn’t the switch or the brushes so just got rid. Think I got my monies worth though. Was happy with the results but as you say the changeover was a faff. Keep safe.
Thanks! Yes, the 8" is a bit more widely available under different brands/badges. I know guys who have had the Titan version for years without any problems, and I agree - at this kind of price if it breaks and it isn't an easy fix, it's time to move on! 👍
For anyone in SE Asia, this appears to be branded as the Oxford 8" Jointer/Planer. It's available on Shopee in the Philippines for about 20kphp (not too much more than the £220 quoted by Peter), I'm guessing it'll be a touch cheaper for other SE Asian nations, as these things tend to be.
Thanks for the review and niggles, very helpful - I did not even know a combo unit existed, that's excellent for space challenged folk like m'self!
Thanks! Just to be clear, this is a 10” machine, not an 8”. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop - good point, I misheard the size - though seems the 10" version is sadly not sold here. Still, looks like pretty good value! Again, hanks for your time in sharing your thoughts!
Hi Peter, I didn’t realise that wasn’t subscribed to your videos but I am now. 👍🏾 I am so pleased you did this video but I could have told you about the one or two challenges with this machine. Overall, I think it’s the very best on the market for the money and in all honesty, I would challenge anyone to find a better one for up to £450!!!
I think Erbauer has done some homework on this one, but could have done slightly more. You are correct about the on/off switch, I have a similar problem with mine, I just hold the on switch for about 2 seconds and it stays on. It may be a safety device to prevent accidental switching on.
The height adjuster 😡😡😡😡 absolutely ridiculous!! With the blade protector in the way and as you say, a simple extension on the winder would have overcome that problem. Personally, I think everyone that has one of these machines should write to both Erbauer and the company we purchased them from requesting a FREE UPGRADE of the height adjuster to one that’s longer and more appropriate. Like you, I’m fed up walking into the cover when it’s sticking out in my very small workshop.
One more thing you may have noticed, is the silly little nut and washer they put on the collector/vent. This makes changing over from Thicknesser to Planer a bit tedious. So I tend to do as much as I can when the machine in one state or the other. Again, a quick release system along with the very coming from one side only, as apposed to having to turn the whole machine around would be a big problem solver.
Overall, other than those three points I cannot fault the machine. It planes and thickens brilliantly, well worth the money. 10” blade & Deck is fantastic! If Erbauer come out with a 12” of 15” deck with the faults rectified, I will buy it immediately. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Thanks Michael - and welcome 😂. Good to know it's not just me with the switch and the blade guard, lol! That little nut, yes! Planning on swapping that out for a wingnut, but as you say some kind of QR system would be helpful. And agree - there are a lot of machines of this size that share a lot of DNA - but at wildly different prices! So far so good - more to come on this, I think! 👍👍
Peter Millard I use a wing nut on the vent, works much better. I have contacted Erbauer via twitter and added the link o your video as I think you said it much better than could have. 👍🏾 keep up the good. If you want to see what I sent them, look me up on Twitter @MichaelSmithMBE 👍🏾👍🏾
Great straight talking video as usual thanks. What also bugs me with the top guard obstructing the height adjuster is there is one plastic knob and one nut. If they both had plastic knobs it would be quick to remove the planer guard. I guess there is some health and safety reason. Your idea of a taller height adjuster would sort it. I would be interested to know it is down to cost, health and safety or they just didn’t think of it but the Titan is the same it’s really annoying and having the guard sticking out like that and could cause an accident. Regards John from County Durham .
Cheers John! Yes, it’s a bit of a mess; I assume the “one knob, one nut” is to dissuade you from removing it - and so forgetting to refit it. Anyway, more to come on this in future. 👍👍
I bought an Erbauer Tile Cutter the other week that had the exact same issue with the switch - you had to hold it in to keep the motor running. Obviously cut a bit of an issue with their QA process but as you say, comparing specs / prices with other models and given I don’t do much tiling can’t complain too much
I tell you what Peter. With the price of timber through the roof (July 2021) at the moment, that machine for the small workshop would be a great addition. That would be worth the investment. Like you I have been looking for ages for a decent second hand one, that are far and few between. If the switch does go, they are available. (Retro fit an NVR switch). But with a two year warranty, just take it back.
Thanks Mark. Yes, that was my logic. I know some folks manage to find bargains from retiring woodworkers, but I’ve never done across one and as long as you know what you’re getting into, a cheap new machine with a warranty can be a good buy. 👍👍
I have one of these and I managed to burn out the motor, sort of. The motor is actually electrically OK but the casing which is very cheap Bakelite type thermosetting plastic cracked up, probably due to excessive heat/load. I bought a new motor from Charnwood which cost about 100 pounds, (not available from Erbauer BTW). To prevent it happening again I put a row of 2" holes across the vertical side plates on one side to improve the ventilation. I also took the drive belt off the roller drive to reduce the load. I am considering fitting a small separate roller drive motor to reduce the speed to a crawl. I will only put the drive back on if I'm doing thicknessing.
Sounds good! 👍
Peter, I have the ALDI version that they sell here in Australia, looks identical to yours except the base colour is red and the knobs are yellow. Had it a couple of years and it hasn't broken and still cuts well. The planer guard is similar to yours, but it must be easier to remove as I just remove it to so it is not in the way of the adjusting handle for the thicknesser. I like that the distance rulers are spot on, ie zero is zero and a 2 mm cut takes 2 mm off. I would like it to be quieter. Despite your rocky start with the switch, I hope it works out well for you.
Thanks Bob! I think the Aldi machine is a smaller one 200mm planing vs 250mm, but all of these machines share a lot of DNA! The way I see it for the money, if it breaks in 2 years it’ll get replaced under warranty, if it breaks after 2 years I’ll have had my money’s worth out of it, and if I outgrow it before then I can move it along and whatever it’s cost me will be money well spent on learning. 🤷♂️👍👍
It doesn't seem to be available in the USA, but it looks good for a woodworking hobbyist and at less than $300.
I don’t think Screwfix have any presence in the US, and I don’t think Erbauer make anything in 110v, so no, not likely! 👍
It was worth watching just for the immaculately succinct summary of the planing, jointing and thicknessing process at the start.
Looks like a solid machine for the price apart from the issues you raised. Seems like the safety guard was designed by different company.
Thanks! 👍
Hi Peter,i have the Titan model and for the top blade guard problem ive removed the far end screw so the cap can pull off then slide the gaurd completely out of the way,5 second job reattaching it back together.
Thanks. As I say in the vid, I can’t recommend removing safety features. 👍
I find the health and safety aspect quite interesting. I have a commercial workshop that has several 1930's wadkins etc and they certainly don't have any health and safety aspects to them. Certainly it has never been a concern of mine when buying them. It's not even crossed my mind.
I'm sure there are many workshops around the country in a similar position, but let me pose a rhetorical question, at the end of a short story; many years ago a delivery guy reversed into my parked car, all caught on CCTV, cut & dried, my car was parked perfectly legally, locked, handbrake on, no question who was at fault. What's the first thing the insurance 'loss adjuster' who visited did? He checked the tread on my tyres, 'cos if they weren't legal then they wouldn't settle. So, perish the thought, but in the event of a significant workshop insurance claim, do you think the insurers would just accept it, or would they try and wriggle out of it by checking your gear over very carefully? As I say, rhetorical question, but I have a pretty good idea where my money would be. Stay safe. 👍
It will be interesting to see how you grow to hate or love the machine overtime...My Lass says sizes matters so a few extra inches will make using it in thicknesser mode a more enjoyable experience! I appreciate the video!
Are you going to make a video with Alan Holtham? The two most soothing voices in woodworking in the same video would be legendary.
Haha, I don't think Alan's made a video for a while, but I'm game if he is 🤷♂️👍
As I mentioned on Twitter, I adore my Titan one and it seems remarkably similar in all aspects. From memory I’m sure I had my safety guard lifted up and pushed in so as not to foul the turny handle for thicknessing. I’ve not had an issue with mine running all manner of wood through it. But I’ve not needed the extra capacity, so I was happy to pay £99 on special offer for mine. It does seem there is a gap in the market for a well-made but not extortionate version of this machine though!
Thanks! Yes, on the Titan, and earlier 200mm versions of this machine apparently, the guard could flip out of the way I’m told. 👍👍
Peter Millard begs the question; Why change it?! That seems to be a common theme of designers not actually using the product or at least running it through test groups. All the best!
Peter, I have had mine about 4 or 5 years now, so it is the old 8 inch version but looks the same. I have not had a problem with the handle in thickness mode, once you have swapped dust extraction underneath, you drop the top guard down to just above the blade and the handle just clears it nicely. Really pleased with mine but the extra 2 inches would have come in handy
Thanks, but as I show in this video, the handle doesn’t clear the blade guard support on this version. Good to hear it’s ok on the smaller one though👍
When all is said and done, it's a 10" planer thicknesser for £220, that has travelled half way around the globe. Almost worth forgoing a meal at The Shard for.
Almost! 😂👍👍
Think of its carbon footprint! lol
loopy Head I don’t personally care about that. The carbon bit.
Since this is a Scheppach HMS 1071 clone, probably build for the GB market, it comes from good ol' Germany. So not so much around the globe.
@@liborchmelik8712 Good point, making the modest cost the more remarkable.
Apparently Grizzly here in the US just released this as the G0959 (12" $995) and G0958 (8" $599) with a true helical cutter head. I'm picking up mine tomorrow so I'll post a short overview.
Already got a dewalt but found this very interesting. Many thanks
Hi Pete it looks like the titan one. If so there is another height adjustment bolt head on the rear rhs and the handle will also fit in this position. It doesn't say on the instructions but o found it whilst trying to sort this issue on the titan version
Thanks! No, it’s a bigger machine than the Titan - 250mm planer, not 200mm - so not quite the same, unfortunately 🤷♂️👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop ah ok
The planer looks identical to the Titan unit you mention and having purchased the Titan unit I now would appreciate the extra 40mm in capacity width wise and in the height too. I too have had issues with the power switch, in that you can push the button in and the motor fires up and then instantly stops, but if you press the button in harder - how do buttons determine how hard you push them in!! - then it stays on. I agree entirely with you re the stupid guard that you have to have sticking out and, in an even smaller garage than your workshop, I have removed the guard when it is in thicknesser mode. I saw a lady using one of these on UA-cam and she replaced the locking nut with a rotary knob similar to the other 'yellow' knob alongside and this helps speed up the removal process somewhat.
One experience I had is the the belt driving the feed rollers broke after a couple of months and Screwfix do not sell them! So it was a warranty return and the new unit was waiting for me when I went back with the old unit - which I hadn't disassembled. I spoke with the manager who helped lift it out of my car saying 'how silly it was to have to replace the whole thing as there was nothing wrong with it other than this broken belt'. At that stage he just dropped it - saying 'well it's broken now'. Really quite an unbelievably bad practice from a Screwfix store manager.
I do have a question Peter though - which is why have the guard when in planer mode so high above the cutters, why not drop the guard down so that there is no chance of fingers slipping underneath the guard?
Many thanks though for your great channel and very helpful videos.
Thanks David! Yes, removing the guard when in thicknessing mode may be perfectly reasonable, but as I'm sure you understand, I can't show the removal of safety feature in a public video. As for dropping the guard down closer to the blade when planing - well to do that I'd have to have the guard sticking out to the side, which can be a pain in itself! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop - Peter, many thanks for your prompt reply and understand the issues with public appreciation of safety. 2 points though - in reality you aren't removing the guard in thicknessing mode as the dust collector (deflector) sits on top as you know providing the safety element, i.e. stopping fingers touching the blade. And indeed the guard we are discussing HAS to be fitted when in planing mode otherwise it just won't work (i.e. that micro switch wouldn't be pushed down). 2nd point is that I'm not sure you were quite realising what I meant. At 9.10 in the video, you are planing that reasonable chunk of wood but the guard over the blade is raised approx 50mm, why not have it flat closer to the blade and bed? That doesn't impact how far out the guard sticks to the side. Anyway, once again, many thanks for the reply.
Nicely done Peter 😁👍. I could almost hear the "explanation boxes" being ticked during your description 👍👍. I did have the smaller Titan, which was great... to start with... but after 6 months it turns in to a different animal. Big issues with incurable snipe and the wibbly wobbly fence became wibblyer and wobblyer (made up words), got lucky and did the 100 mile round trip thing for an old cast iron "Fox" unit. The difference is fenominal. Keep up the great vids 😁👍.
Cheers Frank! No snipe (so far) on this one 👍👍
You would think that when designing a machine that needs for one of its primary functions a solid square edge that you would make sure it can be fixed securely! I bet a fair few of those machines that passed quality control don't have beds and/or fences that are coplanar or even flat.
I got the Triton thicknesser and other than some snipe on the last 50mm of stock it performs well; either I got lucky or the Chinese have figured out how to make a spinny blade on couple of pilars. This single function machine cost a little bit more than the combi versions such as the one featured in the video, but I figured better to have a machine that does one job properly and without any faff than two jobs poorly and/or with a lot of faff.
I also checked before buying the thicknesser that spares and blades were available and reasonably priced.
It's relatively straightforward to make a jig to flatten stock using a thicknesser and then square up an edge with a track or table saw. It's also considerably safer to have the machine drag the work through past the cutting head than push it by hand down and over the cutting head.
That went on sale for £110 from B&Q. The one I got stalled and motor went on day 2. 😂 Funny thing was when I returned it I was refunded the full £220. Took me 2 weeks to convince them to sort it back to £110. Still waiting for them to take the £110 back. 😂
Hi Peter
I have just bought the DeWalt 733 thicknesser for just over £500 but have been too busy to get it out of the box so far although I have made a stand for it in readiness. I always look to buy the best I can afford and looked around for ages at different types but was put off the dual thicknesser/planer as it seems to involve a lot of faffing about to go from one function to the other ! Good luck with yours and I’ll let you know how I find mine.
Cheers Craig! No space for separates, so a combi machine was the only option. 👍👍
These types of smaller combo machines are uncommon in the usa. I had one, a Swiss built INCA that was excellent. I also found a 5" KITY model and bolted it to a folding work stand for use on job sites where I've often wanted to make a shim or other small part by thicknessing it or making a taper on the jointer.
Thanks Peter,as ever a useful video. I will be in the market for one soon, so very timely.
i have had one of these for a few years now. Here is NZ a shop called The Toolshed sells them under their own brand name. i agree about the safety cover an longer turning handle would have been great. what i have found is that over time the thicknesser is great but the planer bed does not plane evenly. i’ve sharpened the cutting blades but still doesn’t work great, so now i don’t use it. i plan to upgrade at some point
Good to know, thanks! 👍
This was very interesting to see what someone else thought of these machines.
I bought the cheaper Titan model. The first one I had to return because the planer platforms were not on the same plane, so it made every piece curved. At first I thought I must be missing an adjustment process, but Screwfix took it back as a complete machine, and exchanged it without any issues, which is a big reason why I got one from them.
I work with a lot of oak, so the smaller size suits me fine, as larger pieces would be too heavy for me to manage anyway.
I like the combined unit, because it takes up so little space.
But you are right about the blade guard and blade hight handle clash, as it is annoying, but I've got used to working around it.
Thanks! 👍👍
Does the vertical jointer fence move across the bed to allow for spreading the wear over the full length of the cutters? If it does not you can only joint on one part of the blade. Also a pity if it can't be angled to 45 degrees.
I have one of these - had it for about 12 months now, it only gets very light use and I have had no problems with it.
The issue that needs addressing in particular is the rigidity of the fence, it takes careful setting up and use to make sure you always get true square. It is far too flimsy for this ham-fisted amateur. I have thought of some possible fixes to strengthen it, I will get round to it eventually... If you get round to it before I do, please post the video, would love to see how a pro tackles it.
Thanks Nigel! I was thinking of taking off the supplied fence and clamping some aluminium extrusion onto it 🤷♂️😂👍
Hi peter love you video mate , I’ve had a erbaure planner thicknesses for a couple of years . And to be honest it’s not bad it dose what I want it to with good results , bit on the noisy side but a good pair of ear defence works for me
Yeah, not quiet, but producing a fine result so far 👍👍
I have this machine under the Fox name. My crack handle is on the other end of that shroud so the guard isn't in the way. Nice review though. I've had similar experience with my machine.
Thanks! Yes, although they look like fairly generic designs, there are a few subtle differences. 👍👍
Add a piece of pipe onto the part the handle goes onto mate. Thanks for the review
I think if your doing a lot of that work, spend the money. For example.. a ts55 and rotex will add up to a very good thickness planer from Axminster perhaps. I guess it depends on what jobs you have on as to what bucks you spend on a tool and,, will it pay for itself ( aka) could it be actually a free tool
That is a good concept, some tools are free if you divide the cost by the usage and perhaps re sale
Yes indeed, this is exactly what I expand on in the accompanying blog post. As I say in the video though, I’ve no idea at this stage how much I’ll be using it so picking up something at this price point makes a good learning experience. I also mention the ‘free tool’ idea in the 10 Years Of Domino series, starts video #270. Thanks! 👍👍
Crazy! Nothing like this available in Canada and it's cheaper than most lunch box planers! I've only seen Minimax for thousands. Right on Peter!
Cheers Nigel! 👍👍
Thanks for the video. Great one as I'm in the market for a P&T but don't have budget for a pricey number. This may be just the job.
Early days, but seems a lot of bang for the buck, as long as you set your expectations appropriately 👍👍
Excellent video. I think I'm getting one. Thank you
If I pull out my English to English translation dictionary:
In the US, it's a jointer and in the UK it's a planer.
In the US, it's a planer and in the UK it's a thicknesser.
I'm in the US and there seems to be very little selection of benchtop combination jointer/planers (planer/thicknessers).
Thanks Chad! Great translation 👍👍
Are you sure your english to english dictionary isnt an american english to english dictionary?
I have a hobby shop and have jammed a wedge of hardwood into the micro switch. Obviously I wouldn't recommend this but for me, I know it's there and it makes me supercareful when using my machine. The time saved with this hack far outweighs the obvious safety implications. But like I said, I wouldn't recommend it at all😉
Interesting overview. I bought the same Erbauer unit for the same reasons about 4 years ago on an offer for something like £160 so it was a bargain.
There are some differences. The biggest difference is the fence; believe it or not, yours is better and sturdier than mine which was a thin bit of pressed aluminium.
However, my guard could be flipped 180° so it wasn’t in the way of the crank (I presume yours can’t?)
I used it for a short while before realising that while it was good for the money and could be tuned with some work (see Marius Hornberger’s videos), I had quickly outgrown it.
Found used machinery at reasonable price which is the best value way to go but must factor in time and money for potentially fixing it up properly.
My brother uses the Erbauer now and it suits his lighter use.
Thanks Sharif. It would have been the smaller 8” model from 4 years ago - that one had the guard that could flip 180° but this one won’t. There’s more on the ‘cheap new vs quality old’ theme on the accompanying blog post at 10minuteworkshop.com btw. My thinking is that it seems decent for the money and can probably be tweaked and fettled if needs be, but as someone who’s never owned - or used - one of these before, it’s a pretty good starting point. 👍
Peter Millard Yes it was probably 205mm so I suppose this one is a completely different machine (others seem to suggest it might be a rebadged Scheppach? They get everywhere!)
I think the machine Marius had was a version of the Titan unit but the fence was very similar to mine. He made a fairly simple fence which looks like it’ll stay true (and easy to adjust if it falls out).
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Well, this pretty much is a clone of the SCHEPPACH HMS 1070. Except for the colour scheming and the On/Off button. It's even in the same price range of 299€.
The Scheppach is ~£410 here in the UK - not quite double the price, but not far off. 🤷♂️
yeah various brands have this model, all come from same factory, just branded differently. This model is completely trash, stay away from it!
I bought the Titan about 9 weeks ago did look at the Erbauer but for space thought the 8" rather than the 10" suited my space better, like you I didnt like the fence (yours look more sturdy than the Titan) but to be fair it is square and quite solid but can & will be improved on, a good edition the the shop and I will find more uses for it, blade longevity is my main concern but they look cheap to replace. The Titan has the same annoying thicknesser handle trouble my blade guard has to stick out and it is a pain in the arse, as you say people who design most things only ever see them on paper or when they are built, they have NEVER used/tested it
Peter, great video but looks very like a competitor planer I bought ......I bought a titan very similar design to this one, thickness planer is fine but the top plane I just can’t set up and I would count myself reasonably handy. Very disappointed to be honest but as they say, you get what you pay for !!! 🙄
The Titan’s a smaller machine - 200mm vs 250mm planer, so not quite the same. My thinking is that it seems decent for the money and can probably be tweaked and fettled if needs be, but as someone who’s never owned - or used - one of these before, it’s a pretty good starting point. If it breaks under warranty I can return it, and if it breaks out of warranty I’ll have had my money’s worth out of it. If I outgrow it and it’s still working I can move it along. 🤷♂️