This is why Star Trek is very special to me. I keep revisiting these clips. It encouraged moral debate and thinking. In those days, they had clever writers, as well as actors and actresses.
I've battled depression all my life. And some days when it's bad I convince myself I'm worthless and that I'm a drain on people and resources. I convince myself checking out is the best solution to it. Il spend days or weeks fighting myself over the right thing to do. It's Shows like TNG that have helped me keep myself centred in the right way. I dread to think who I'd be or where I'd be if it wasn't for discovering Star Trek.
It's helped me, too. We all have worth and deserve resources and happiness. The right thing is to fight: my endocrinologist calls me her "little rebel". Be well.
Riker came with facts and honesty. I feel it would have been easier to give Worf the blade. Riker wanted him to understand the reality of what Worf wanted. He wanted him to live for his son.
This scene encapsulates why I hold TNG as my favorite star trek show. Conflicting cultures and ideologies between friends or colleagues. Debate of ethics, respect and Honor. Klingon respect bluntness in friendship and I feel Riker was a true friend trying to get Worf to fight for his life. I also understand Worf too, Doctor Toby Russell was the hero of that episode to me, regardless of how antagonistic Beverly Crusher was.
😂 There’s also all the ones killed by the Borg, both when Q puts them in the path of a cube, and Wolf 359. And the Crystalline Entity killed his date once.
I'd like to think that Riker name dropping Marla Aster and then Tasha got to Worf, since Tasha was a close friend, and Marla Aster died under his command, and he had to live with that guilt.
the irony is that everyone is getting on the Federation hypocrisy spoken here ... but Worf really was the one being the hypocrite. Riker was correct .... Worf did not want to ask his young son to hand him that blade, watch as he impaled himself with said blade, remove said blade from his father's dead body, and wipe the blood off with his sleeve. Worf DID NOT want Alexander to go through that, after having JUST seen his mother's broken body on that same ship maybe a year prior. but it WAS his place, by the letter of the tradition.
Yeah they tended to write Picard in for addressing the moral dilemmas but this was a really good scene for Riker. He got to say his peace without the episode undermining him over it and Worf got to sit through it without getting hit by any more falling boxes.
Some women like that. In my opinion, most women do. That’s why bikers and police officers and firefighters and Marines will always generally be more attractive to a woman over a lawyer or a doctor or a tech specialist. Women might be attracted to captain America, but they want to be with Thor and Loki.
While I can understand why this issue would be a bit polarizing, I have to say I love Riker here- excellent dialogue, and I think more fitting for the circumstance than Picard's generally more inspirational/aspirational speeches. Showing respect for his culture but making it clear he will not let Worf do this with no resistance. And the subtle (to a degree) insinuation that this is a cowardly act, without saying so directly in a fashion that would cut Worf deeply. And I think its important to bear in mind, that Riker isn't stopping him from doing anything- he doesn't contest his right to end his life, just makes sure he'll pay the price for it and not shield himself from his son's grief, that he'll have to confront that prior to committing suicide.
@@campbelldowler1396 the sisko has two reactions to things he does not like. explosive is the preferable one. when he goes ice cold, you are well and truly boned.
The events of this episode had a major part in helping Worf become the kind of Klingon he is during DS9, one of many. He honors Klingon tradition, but recognizing his deep unwillingness to be rigid makes him glorious and it’s potentially inspiring. Riker realizes that Worf wanting this is actually him being selfish and hypocritical. If he was really like his people, he wouldn’t even consider Alexander’s youth as a factor, but he does, because Worf is not like other Klingons, in a good way. In the end, he ultimately decides to fight for his life over ending what’s traditionally considered a disgraceful state, so his friends don’t need to be drag into his suffering and his family can grow under his witness as the Son of Mogh and a Klingon. It’s moments like these and his experiences as a Starfleet Officer and a Klingon far from a home where honor is still fickle, with his primary exposure being their legends, that shape Worf into the ultimate Klingon.
It probably would have been easier for them to replicate a Klingon spine if they knew more about his physiology and biochemistry. He is an alien patient; we have to understand that.
Just put him through the transporter, using his last transport trace code! He goes in broken, and comes out whole. The entire franchise has always downplayed the transporter's potential as an invaluable life saving medical device. Or... as a mass cloning, people copier. Whatever... CHEERS! 🍻✌
yeah he's bit of an entitled scumbag. but he's not the only one. picard routinely defies authority to "safeguard the well being of his crew", completely disregarding orders, blaming and framing superiors like no tomorrow, and getting away with it. if he was a real life captain he would've been court martialed a long time ago.
@@regalecusglesne3022 Same with Sisko and Janeway, it is clear that the writers didnt pay attention to how organizations of either civilian or military nature maintain discipline. Especially in cases where instructions from superiors are blatantly ignored.
And then you remember that TNG also had episodes like The Child, Code of Honor, Justice & Shades of Grey and you come to realize that the first couple of seasons in every Star Trek Series (with the exception of TOS) is subpar at best and outright terrible at worst. For the record I'm NOT defending Discovery or Picard (both have a LOT of issues) I'm just saying that while there were good and even great episodes there was also a lot of crappy ones too. I'm only bringing this up because I've seen a lot of comments going on about how bad the new trek series are and how the older series were so much better forgetting that TNG's first season is one of the worst seasons in ST History and even TOS had it's questionable episodes (I mean has anyone ever seen Turnabout Intruder?) Sorry for going on like that it's just been a rough day.
I'm pretty sure it would *literally* be impossible to pull out if it was a singular person who pushed it in then pulled it out. No idea how strong this species is though since I only watch clips
Kurn was captain at this point and continuing to climb the ladder. Taking time off to go visit a bedridden Worf would be without honor. Kurn would ask why he's wasting his time over this.
@@oldtwinsna8347 then Worf could and likely would pull the "Head of the House" card. That unless Gowron told him otherwise he is to be obeyed as Head of the House of Mogh.
They should have developed Riker and Deanna's character better. With better dialogue such as this. Deanna was amazing as a Romulan, that proved she could do more. This scene proves more could have been done with Riker's character to grow.
I actually today watched the episode where some alien ambassador gives Deanna all his negative emotions and that had really good Riker/Deanna moments in it. I understand your feeling about it feeling untapped. At least they went into it in the movies a bit more.
I just watched this episode and I loved that Picard immediately understood. I think Beverley Crusher came off completely ridiculous being angry with the other doctor for 'gambling' on a virtually dead man anyways.
I liked Riker's statement that "in spite of everything I've said, if it were my place, I would probably help you..." While I would strongly disagree with Worf's reasons, I do think that a man has a right to live, and to die, on his own terms and in accordance with his own beliefs.
There’s a part of me that thinks that that Alexander would’ve participated in the ritual, if only to hear his father say “You are a true Klingon. I’m proud of you!”
Not a big fan of the episode, but I love the little moments like this. The amount of principal Riker alone has, let alone the rest of that star ship, dwarfs anything you see out of people today. It's good fuel.
Did anyone else notice he left the knife at Worf's feet anyway? I meam, if hes not there to wipe the blood on his sleeve, it's not honorable, but really? You're gonna leave the suicidal dude with a knife?
Riker knew that Worf wouldn't have killed himself without the ritual being complete. There's no way Worf would do things except by the proper Klingon way (in his own mind he would have disgraced his son and tarnished his reputation or something alike).
Wrong. We made it up. This one is actually false. Actually this one was based on a true story. The god damn show never actually said anything about how adapted those true stories were hahaha
Jokes on Riker, Alexander totally jumps at the opportunity to kill his Dad. Thanks him for the years of therapy he won't need, and goes on to breed with all the women on the ship. The End.
@@alexanderjones9572 That shows continuity, I appreciate that very much to mention fallen comrades to relate to things happened in the past, to people we remember!
yup, I'd never people who live 200 years in the future, or fictional characters written by my fellow Americans alive today, I'd never ever do that . . . well, except that's what we're supposed to do, judge the behavior of our fictional characters, especially the ones in fictional, pseudo-utopias. And by the by, you're judging everyone who judged Worff and Riker, and without first living their lived experiences.
@@LordProteus unfortunately it is to Paramount/CBS and Rod Roddenberry, son of the late Gene Roddenberry and Majel Barrett-Roddenberry. Paramount/CBS owns the legal rights, Rod, as his mother and father before him sign off on it. His family might not own the rights but their voice carries more than enough weight to allow or disallow what's canon and what isn't. They've been overruled before but not often and vice-versa
I suffer from ms,and it’s getting worse ,what worf wanted was not to be like he is ,I’m a entertainer singer ,painter model maker ,the day I can’t use my hands and legs just lay on a bed ,not doing anything for myself,is the day I would want to end it
@@theshadow100 that is terrible, but there are better people than those friends out there. If I was your friend I would never leave you because of that. There have to be some good people near you. I don’t know what to say man, I’m really sorry but please hang on.
No he didn't. He was saying that, if Worf wanted to go through with this, he has to do it at his son's expense, as a way to prevent Worf from going through
There sure are a lot of people here who are really angry that Riker talked his best friend out of killing himself. Really says a lot about these people and makes me so thankful none of them are my friends.
A lot of people are comparing it to sincere and authentic moments of euthanasia, but those are moments which are both hopeless and have a massive loss of quality of life, or even an hopleless incoming loss of quality of life like lewy body dementia. But here is implicitly Worf not being in such a situation and not basing his choice on a solid foundation, one he wasnt actually prepared for either.
You'd prefer to keep selfish friends who refuse to acknowledge your own right to choose whether or not you exist purely because your decision might hurt their feelings? I'm sure not many of these people you're disparaging here would want to be your friend either, lmao.
Worf really had a depressive Phase after loosing his spine. Going straight for "the cowards way out"? Luckily he had friends like Riker - and the pressure of having to ask Alexander - to drag him kicking and screaming back to fight this fate.
As someone who is a quadriplegic, can't move or feel anything below the very top of my shoulders (I use a mouth operated controller by the name of Quadstick and sometimes a voice to text program called Dragon speaking naturally to do everything from typing, gaming, even 3D modeling) I completely understand Worf, his feelings and wants My point is that you cannot judge someone if you have not experienced what they are going through yourself and as for the 'coward's way out' remark, sometimes life just throws you a curveball that you cannot hit nor avoid, just take the hit and fall and sometimes the ball hits you right in the chest which stops your heartbeat, in which case all you can do is fall and there is no alternative, and by that I mean sometimes you just cannot get up anymore, you cannot just dust yourself off and walk it off Is suicide an option? I would say it's always an option, because sometimes you just can't handle whatever is in front of you, however, 9 times out of 10 the problem is solvable and you can get through it, as people are more resilient than they think they are and you cannot blame that 1 out of 10 for doing what they did, you can only blame the world for being the way it is
@@ccirish4519 maybe one day when im long gone they will find a way to fix a broken spinal cord or in Worf's case, replicate a whole new one, but im not holding my breath it'll be any time soon as for finding a way to cope, the only way to win is by not playing the game (since there is no way to cheat Kirk style, haha) and by that i mean i stopped hoping or wishing ..for all intent and purposes, i quit, i simply ..exist.. i accepted my fate, such as it is and given that i have no other choice, i simply go on day by day looking for some sort of escape or distraction from the reality of such a 'life'.. whether by gaming or helping people by giving them advice or simply being there for them and trying to give them my wisdom and tell them about my experiences
@@Tin047 The difference between you two is that: a) They could fix Worf b) The worse result of the fixing failing was Worfs death. Which he wanted anyway. If that was a real world scenario, I could absolutely understand a person going depressive and contemplating suicide. I probably would be one myself. But this was not the Real World. And he was literally turning down a chance to fight this fate.
@@MasterofSpiders I don't think the writers "didn't think of him", I think they didn't care about Kurn because it didn't serve the story and message they were trying to convey. A writer's job isn't to make sure everything remains 100% consistent throughout the series, the writer's job is to create an entertaining story for us to enjoy or maybe create dialogue around. Consistency gets thrown out the window pretty often throughout Star Trek's various shows, TOS being the biggest offender of that. Gene Roddenberry himself often wrote scripts that contradicted scripts he wrote beforehand because the entertainment value of the episode was more important to him than consistency.
@@ericlanglois3782 It's also strange the DS9 writers forgot about this episode when they wrote Worf trying to kill Kurn but for some reason the ritual was different than what Riker read about. In DS9, the assisted suicide was done by the family member but here, Riker said the family member just gives him the knife
@@cteckerman In the episode he lost complete use of his legs and couldn't even sit up straight by himself. So he actually couldn't reach the knife in the place Riker set it in
@@edwardhamham2452 Riker would want to be pretty sure of that! Worf has considerable upper body strength and can be rather stubborn. Perhaps however he can only take his own life and die as an honorable Klingon he he acts in accordance with the ritual: his son would have to bring him the blade.
@@williamsmith8271 been a while since I watched TNG, did it have to be his son? Did the crew think commanding officer was the closest personal acquaintance and went with that?
This is an interesting episode (and conversation in these comments) given the present dialogue concerning whether or not assisted suicide is commendable.
@@samuraitabernac3050 I wouldn't speak about it as black and white as that. What happens when your friend is dying anyways and they just dont want to suffer?
@@erikseidler793 the story of Maynard is ONE of the stories worth reading. But it is only one. There are two sides worth hearing. Listening to only one voice and then siding with that is a dangerous practice. I’m not arguing for or against MAID. I’m simply reminding people to be open of mind and heart. Now back to Star Trek!
Really glad I could get people talking about this clip and episode. Intresting to see all the opinions on display.
Great scene, but I was distracted when Riker sat down like a normal person for once.
0:55 - Holy shit, you're right.
@@charlie4christ536 crazy bro
@@charlie4christ536 your imaginary sky daddy has no power!!!
@@GreyTide just imagine trying to get your leg over that though
This is obviously mirror universe Riker, or that transporter copy version that was stuck for all those years.
Riker: You are a coward.
Worf: WHAT *Jumps to his feet in pure rage*
Riker: You're welcome. *Plays trombone*
ROFLMAO. Perfect!!!
Very funny not so funny I forgot to laugh
"Riker, i have stubbed my toe and therefore have NO honor. You must kill me"
"Lol k"
Oh shit Riker is serious. He sat on a chair without swinging his leg over it first, he ALWAYS sits with the Riker maneuver
Real sits for real bros.
Counselor Troi running into the room "I'm feeling a lot of-"
This is why Star Trek is very special to me. I keep revisiting these clips. It encouraged moral debate and thinking. In those days, they had clever writers, as well as actors and actresses.
Riker was a menace and the Klingons loved him for it.
Gak is best served live.
Nothing says "this is the future" like shiny bedsheets 👍
And yet in 2021 I prefer the kind of sheets that are literally large T-shirts.
"But where is all the explosions tho?" - Alex Kurtzman
Also Kurtzman: "Where's the screaming?" Where's the Romulan samurai beheading people?" Where's the assaults rifle/phasers?"
who?
@@SavageRush012 "I mean, vivid colors, steady camera shots, people just talking. This isn't Star Trek!"
Needs more lens flares
I read that in Alexander’s voice
"I broke my back picking up a peanut."
…was looking for that reference XD
I've battled depression all my life. And some days when it's bad I convince myself I'm worthless and that I'm a drain on people and resources.
I convince myself checking out is the best solution to it. Il spend days or weeks fighting myself over the right thing to do.
It's Shows like TNG that have helped me keep myself centred in the right way. I dread to think who I'd be or where I'd be if it wasn't for discovering Star Trek.
If you ever need someone to talk to let me know.
It's helped me, too. We all have worth and deserve resources and happiness. The right thing is to fight: my endocrinologist calls me her "little rebel". Be well.
True friendship. He honors his friend's tradition perfectly, leaving him little alternative to actually following its rules.
Worf summons son. Son helps with ritual and is traumitized forever.
Riker: Well I guess that backfired.
One day, Worf will face hollow blue barrel again and best him in battle!
The barrel has no honour.
Oh, that blue barrel! He's a punk ass, sucker punching, little bitch!... and he was probably drunk again too! Ambushing poor Worf like that. 😟
You can tell its a space blanket because its got sparkles.
Well said Commander Riker, well said.
Riker came with facts and honesty. I feel it would have been easier to give Worf the blade. Riker wanted him to understand the reality of what Worf wanted. He wanted him to live for his son.
Very believable for Riker, who lacked a strong father figure, or at least lacked it in the ways he needed it.
His son and everyone else who calls him friend. Basically, hes trying to show worf that his death doesnt just affect him.
@@GreyTide riiker did not lake what you he did he didn't help because it was not his place it was Alexanders
@@DEC19775 and if Alexander was unable or unwilling to, it would go to Kurn who probably would do it.
Riker should have called Worf a coward, then double-dog dared him to do something about it.
This scene encapsulates why I hold TNG as my favorite star trek show. Conflicting cultures and ideologies between friends or colleagues. Debate of ethics, respect and Honor. Klingon respect bluntness in friendship and I feel Riker was a true friend trying to get Worf to fight for his life. I also understand Worf too, Doctor Toby Russell was the hero of that episode to me, regardless of how antagonistic Beverly Crusher was.
I strongly disagree. Dr. Russell gambles with the lives of her test subjects...excuse me, "patients".
He still left him the knife though!
I said the same thing, some of the replies I got were good.
@@GreyTidehe's paralyzed
"Remember Sandaval? Fang Lee? Marla Astin? Tasha Yar?......I've lost count."
Really? cause that's like only 4.
dammit man he's first officer, not a mathematician!
@@Doc_Fun exactly he's not data, he can't do millions of calculations at once. You can't expect him to remember every yellow shirt that dies!
😂
There’s also all the ones killed by the Borg, both when Q puts them in the path of a cube, and Wolf 359.
And the Crystalline Entity killed his date once.
Riker needs to talk to Canada about M.A.I.D
This is what TNG was all about, I miss shows like that.
They don't make TV like this anymore, that's for sure.
After TNG ended they REALLY should have given Riker his own show,as Captain of the Titan!!!!
Nah he should have just kept making more seasons of beyond belief
@@minerscale nah that would have been boring....
I'd like to think that Riker name dropping Marla Aster and then Tasha got to Worf, since Tasha was a close friend, and Marla Aster died under his command, and he had to live with that guilt.
He doesn't feel guilty they die with Honor
wow riker seriously its a shame we did not get to see more of the riker speech.
He said those magic words: “A Klingon does not…”
No, you CAN'T, don't even try!
@@GreyTide Ha, I see what you did there XD
the irony is that everyone is getting on the Federation hypocrisy spoken here ... but Worf really was the one being the hypocrite. Riker was correct .... Worf did not want to ask his young son to hand him that blade, watch as he impaled himself with said blade, remove said blade from his father's dead body, and wipe the blood off with his sleeve. Worf DID NOT want Alexander to go through that, after having JUST seen his mother's broken body on that same ship maybe a year prior. but it WAS his place, by the letter of the tradition.
Yeah they tended to write Picard in for addressing the moral dilemmas but this was a really good scene for Riker. He got to say his peace without the episode undermining him over it and Worf got to sit through it without getting hit by any more falling boxes.
And then he got better and stole Rikers girlfriend. At least, for a while
how a woman would ever like to mingle with a disfigured alien that looks and behaves like an unkempt caveman, i will never know.
Some women like that. In my opinion, most women do. That’s why bikers and police officers and firefighters and Marines will always generally be more attractive to a woman over a lawyer or a doctor or a tech specialist. Women might be attracted to captain America, but they want to be with Thor and Loki.
@@regalecusglesne3022 perhaps you are unfamiliar with Klingon anatomy.
While I can understand why this issue would be a bit polarizing, I have to say I love Riker here- excellent dialogue, and I think more fitting for the circumstance than Picard's generally more inspirational/aspirational speeches. Showing respect for his culture but making it clear he will not let Worf do this with no resistance. And the subtle (to a degree) insinuation that this is a cowardly act, without saying so directly in a fashion that would cut Worf deeply. And I think its important to bear in mind, that Riker isn't stopping him from doing anything- he doesn't contest his right to end his life, just makes sure he'll pay the price for it and not shield himself from his son's grief, that he'll have to confront that prior to committing suicide.
Well Riker has been taught rather well by Picard.
Sisko also had words with Worf about this very ritual (I believe) in DS9. His reaction was... explosive.
@@campbelldowler1396 the sisko has two reactions to things he does not like. explosive is the preferable one. when he goes ice cold, you are well and truly boned.
A best friend’s paramount duty is to say what the other needs to hear at the most critical moment. Mega props to Riker here.
Riker was cold with it he really grew on me after saving Picard especially
I never thought of Johnathon Frakes as a powerful actor. This scene proved me wrong!
He's brilliant both in front and behind the camera
Jadzia is quite thankful to Riker for this!
Easy to say when you aren't the one lying on the table.
Worf could have gone the captain Pike route and spoke via beeps.
the one time in all of TNG Will sat down normally
It's his way of getting serious.
The events of this episode had a major part in helping Worf become the kind of Klingon he is during DS9, one of many. He honors Klingon tradition, but recognizing his deep unwillingness to be rigid makes him glorious and it’s potentially inspiring. Riker realizes that Worf wanting this is actually him being selfish and hypocritical. If he was really like his people, he wouldn’t even consider Alexander’s youth as a factor, but he does, because Worf is not like other Klingons, in a good way. In the end, he ultimately decides to fight for his life over ending what’s traditionally considered a disgraceful state, so his friends don’t need to be drag into his suffering and his family can grow under his witness as the Son of Mogh and a Klingon. It’s moments like these and his experiences as a Starfleet Officer and a Klingon far from a home where honor is still fickle, with his primary exposure being their legends, that shape Worf into the ultimate Klingon.
I'm just amazed that they can't heal spinal cord injuries in the 24th century.
They can. They fixed his at the end of the episode.
It's his overly complex Klingon physiology. Dude has muliple hearts.
It probably would have been easier for them to replicate a Klingon spine if they knew more about his physiology and biochemistry. He is an alien patient; we have to understand that.
Just put him through the transporter, using his last transport trace code! He goes in broken, and comes out whole.
The entire franchise has always downplayed the transporter's potential as an invaluable life saving medical device.
Or... as a mass cloning, people copier.
Whatever... CHEERS! 🍻✌
@@carldeithorn3450 When I watched this episode, I thought that exact same thing!
Oof, the reference to Marla Aster is hard
Wow , I am very greatful I grew up with this as my Star Trek ….great show
How long has it been since a character like Riker has shown up in Hollywood? The characters in TNG are unparalleled in modern cinema.
I always thought this was Riker's best speech.
he's utterly wrong, but yeah it's a good performance in spite of his apparent allergies
Riker is such a tactful know-it-all lol
yeah he's bit of an entitled scumbag. but he's not the only one. picard routinely defies authority to "safeguard the well being of his crew", completely disregarding orders, blaming and framing superiors like no tomorrow, and getting away with it. if he was a real life captain he would've been court martialed a long time ago.
@@regalecusglesne3022 Same with Sisko and Janeway, it is clear that the writers didnt pay attention to how organizations of either civilian or military nature maintain discipline. Especially in cases where instructions from superiors are blatantly ignored.
Just an extended version of another denial of Worf's ideas.
Suffering from multiple sclerosis now this episode takes a new light in my life (sadly)
Don't show off.
@PFC ignore the dolly slave troll. Disgusting how people like her think
The writing quality here puts Discovery and Picard to shame
fuck yea it does!
I weep, because the thoughtfulness of this scene would never make it to modern television.
The writing of Masks puts Picard and Discovery to shame.
And then you remember that TNG also had episodes like The Child, Code of Honor, Justice & Shades of Grey and you come to realize that the first couple of seasons in every Star Trek Series (with the exception of TOS) is subpar at best and outright terrible at worst. For the record I'm NOT defending Discovery or Picard (both have a LOT of issues) I'm just saying that while there were good and even great episodes there was also a lot of crappy ones too.
I'm only bringing this up because I've seen a lot of comments going on about how bad the new trek series are and how the older series were so much better forgetting that TNG's first season is one of the worst seasons in ST History and even TOS had it's questionable episodes (I mean has anyone ever seen Turnabout Intruder?)
Sorry for going on like that it's just been a rough day.
@Frey especially the episodes with George Carlin as the conductor. Although Ringo is awesome too
That knife would not pull out very easily lolol
I'm pretty sure it would *literally* be impossible to pull out if it was a singular person who pushed it in then pulled it out. No idea how strong this species is though since I only watch clips
riker: 'i may have to respect your beliefs, but i don't have to like them' 0:36
Worf could have also hailed Qo'nos and contacted his brother Kurn to do it if Alexander was unable or unwilling to
Kurn was captain at this point and continuing to climb the ladder. Taking time off to go visit a bedridden Worf would be without honor. Kurn would ask why he's wasting his time over this.
@@oldtwinsna8347 then Worf could and likely would pull the "Head of the House" card. That unless Gowron told him otherwise he is to be obeyed as Head of the House of Mogh.
They should have developed Riker and Deanna's character better. With better dialogue such as this. Deanna was amazing as a Romulan, that proved she could do more. This scene proves more could have been done with Riker's character to grow.
I actually today watched the episode where some alien ambassador gives Deanna all his negative emotions and that had really good Riker/Deanna moments in it.
I understand your feeling about it feeling untapped. At least they went into it in the movies a bit more.
Troi was underserved for sure.
I just watched this episode and I loved that Picard immediately understood.
I think Beverley Crusher came off completely ridiculous being angry with the other doctor for 'gambling' on a virtually dead man anyways.
Crusher was absolutely ridiculous. I say that as a doctor myself.
Love this show. Scenes like this are why.
Not an episode I frequently rewatch, but it sure is captivating.
That is a true friend right there
I liked Riker's statement that "in spite of everything I've said, if it were my place, I would probably help you..." While I would strongly disagree with Worf's reasons, I do think that a man has a right to live, and to die, on his own terms and in accordance with his own beliefs.
There’s a part of me that thinks that that Alexander would’ve participated in the ritual, if only to hear his father say “You are a true Klingon. I’m proud of you!”
Shame for Worf Alexander never wanted that. At least not till later in life I think.
"Thank you, Father... " (YANK! 🗡😵)
..... wipes Worf's blood on his sleeve,
with a real sense of accomplishment.
His grades steadily begin to improve.
@@carldeithorn3450 Sick.
@@carldeithorn3450 Wasn't his grades already awesome? Like top of the class level stuff.
0:43 enough with the yappin... start with the stabbin
... so he gets the son to do it and the kid's traumatized. Thanks, Riker!
But it did get through to our stubborn Mr Woof …
There's more Star Trek in this scene than in all of Kurtzman's bullshit put together.
Thanks for uploading this, I was just looking to share this clip with a friend.
Not a big fan of the episode, but I love the little moments like this. The amount of principal Riker alone has, let alone the rest of that star ship, dwarfs anything you see out of people today.
It's good fuel.
I thought this was one of the funny Star Trek edits channel I sub to. Was waiting for the punch-line the whole time hahaha.
I love those channels. Maybe I'll make a few one day.
I'll do it. Then I'll take his wallet.
Murder hobo detected.
They use money 💵💵💵
Did anyone else notice he left the knife at Worf's feet anyway? I meam, if hes not there to wipe the blood on his sleeve, it's not honorable, but really? You're gonna leave the suicidal dude with a knife?
Worf had no way to reach it
Riker knew that Worf wouldn't have killed himself without the ritual being complete. There's no way Worf would do things except by the proper Klingon way (in his own mind he would have disgraced his son and tarnished his reputation or something alike).
Warf was partially paralyzed as well.
Riker and Worf have become lifelong friends thru thick and thin!!!
Every potential suicide needs a friend like Riker.
This is Star Trek .
He left the knife on the bed! Bad idea!
He also sat normally. Riker had some chaotic energy this scene.
@@GreyTide he heavily leaned forward though... I blame the chair as it wasn't up for the the riker maneuver as it should've been.
Of course. As a CHALLANGE to Worf.
This is one of the most dramatic episodes of Star Trek TNG. I had to cry when Worf spoke to Alexander before he went in surgery.
Sure hope Worf had a TV mounted on that ceiling. He was there for a while by himself!
Riker should have played him Benny Hill reruns to cheer him up.
This sounds like the opening of Beyond Belief.
Wrong. We made it up. This one is actually false. Actually this one was based on a true story.
The god damn show never actually said anything about how adapted those true stories were hahaha
Jokes on Riker, Alexander totally jumps at the opportunity to kill his Dad.
Thanks him for the years of therapy he won't need, and goes on to breed with all the women on the ship. The End.
No I can't, I won't even try.
I like how Riker brings up Tasha yar even though her existence is kind of an anomaly
"You want to see your mommy?"
Beautiful episode, the way it shows the closeness of the crew. Wonderful, sensitive subject so well executed.
Tasha Yar was killed by Tar.......from afar.
🤣🤣🤣
But was she drinking kanar with Damar?
When he talks about how many friends they've lost and that they've lost count, oh man the feels and the guilt. I've got some work to do...
Think the only two we ever actually ‘met’ were Marla Aster and Tasha Yar.
@@alexanderjones9572 That shows continuity, I appreciate that very much to mention fallen comrades to relate to things happened in the past, to people we remember!
I see a lot of people putting their views on a situation they've never been in
Don't judge until you've been in that place I say
yup, I'd never people who live 200 years in the future, or fictional characters written by my fellow Americans alive today, I'd never ever do that . . . well, except that's what we're supposed to do, judge the behavior of our fictional characters, especially the ones in fictional, pseudo-utopias.
And by the by, you're judging everyone who judged Worff and Riker, and without first living their lived experiences.
And yet you are judging people right now.
Tng is the best thing ever filmed. My favorite show of all time.
Not this time! It's fiction! It never happened!
ST Picard made sure this timeline cease to exist
@@JohnS-il1dr Picard isn't canon to real Star Trek. ;)
@@LordProteus unfortunately it is to Paramount/CBS and Rod Roddenberry, son of the late Gene Roddenberry and Majel Barrett-Roddenberry. Paramount/CBS owns the legal rights, Rod, as his mother and father before him sign off on it. His family might not own the rights but their voice carries more than enough weight to allow or disallow what's canon and what isn't. They've been overruled before but not often and vice-versa
Holy shit. So this was the scene lower decks was referencing... dam.
"I broke my back picking up a peanut!"
@@mariusjoachims6866 pikking-uppa-PEE NUTT
How the hell Klingon specie survive this long...
I suffer from ms,and it’s getting worse ,what worf wanted was not to be like he is ,I’m a entertainer singer ,painter model maker ,the day I can’t use my hands and legs just lay on a bed ,not doing anything for myself,is the day I would want to end it
I hope you live long and prosper.
But worf has friends to help ,I got no one ,just me
@@GreyTide thank you 🙏
@@GreyTide my mum and dad and brother all passed away ,my fionce didn’t want to marry me when I got my wheelchair and my friends left me
@@theshadow100 that is terrible, but there are better people than those friends out there. If I was your friend I would never leave you because of that. There have to be some good people near you. I don’t know what to say man, I’m really sorry but please hang on.
It's weird that DS9 Worf completely forgot about this scene when he helped attempt to kill his own brother
he still leaves the knife
As Worf is paralyzed,the knife might as well be on the Klingon home world for all the good it would do him.
What’s funny is that when wolf kills somone else on the ship he gets put on report 😅!
3:38 Worf asks to see Miles O'Brien.
Well I guess Riker told him
This is not the real Riker. Look at the way he sat down on the chair. Skrull impostor!
Sus
It’s Thomas Riker! We have an intruder on board, go to yellow alert!
@@ABCDyeahyeahyeah Did he say, "Go get your yellow shirt" I don't hear so well.
Now that'a a true friend !!!
Oh snap! That is quite a challenge to make.
this is my favorite part in the whole Star Trek series because he put his friend before his feelings and not a lot of people can say that 2:13
Suicide is not Honourable, else I would have Chosen It long ago.
I am sorry to hear it. I hope you are ok, dude.
Riker just wanted a little boy to kill his father, whoa.
No he didn't. He was saying that, if Worf wanted to go through with this, he has to do it at his son's expense, as a way to prevent Worf from going through
@@saoranachnah-alba723 it was a joke, lol.
That knife would hurt
if only worf hadnt stubbed his toe
There sure are a lot of people here who are really angry that Riker talked his best friend out of killing himself.
Really says a lot about these people and makes me so thankful none of them are my friends.
A lot of people are comparing it to sincere and authentic moments of euthanasia, but those are moments which are both hopeless and have a massive loss of quality of life, or even an hopleless incoming loss of quality of life like lewy body dementia. But here is implicitly Worf not being in such a situation and not basing his choice on a solid foundation, one he wasnt actually prepared for either.
You'd prefer to keep selfish friends who refuse to acknowledge your own right to choose whether or not you exist purely because your decision might hurt their feelings? I'm sure not many of these people you're disparaging here would want to be your friend either, lmao.
Worf really had a depressive Phase after loosing his spine. Going straight for "the cowards way out"?
Luckily he had friends like Riker - and the pressure of having to ask Alexander - to drag him kicking and screaming back to fight this fate.
As someone who is a quadriplegic, can't move or feel anything below the very top of my shoulders (I use a mouth operated controller by the name of Quadstick and sometimes a voice to text program called Dragon speaking naturally to do everything from typing, gaming, even 3D modeling) I completely understand Worf, his feelings and wants
My point is that you cannot judge someone if you have not experienced what they are going through yourself and as for the 'coward's way out' remark, sometimes life just throws you a curveball that you cannot hit nor avoid, just take the hit and fall and sometimes the ball hits you right in the chest which stops your heartbeat, in which case all you can do is fall and there is no alternative, and by that I mean sometimes you just cannot get up anymore, you cannot just dust yourself off and walk it off
Is suicide an option? I would say it's always an option, because sometimes you just can't handle whatever is in front of you, however, 9 times out of 10 the problem is solvable and you can get through it, as people are more resilient than they think they are and you cannot blame that 1 out of 10 for doing what they did, you can only blame the world for being the way it is
@@ccirish4519 maybe one day when im long gone they will find a way to fix a broken spinal cord or in Worf's case, replicate a whole new one, but im not holding my breath it'll be any time soon
as for finding a way to cope, the only way to win is by not playing the game (since there is no way to cheat Kirk style, haha) and by that i mean i stopped hoping or wishing ..for all intent and purposes, i quit, i simply ..exist.. i accepted my fate, such as it is and given that i have no other choice, i simply go on day by day looking for some sort of escape or distraction from the reality of such a 'life'.. whether by gaming or helping people by giving them advice or simply being there for them and trying to give them my wisdom and tell them about my experiences
@@ccirish4519 im not sure what you meant by "Loosing"
@@Tin047 The difference between you two is that:
a) They could fix Worf
b) The worse result of the fixing failing was Worfs death. Which he wanted anyway.
If that was a real world scenario, I could absolutely understand a person going depressive and contemplating suicide. I probably would be one myself.
But this was not the Real World. And he was literally turning down a chance to fight this fate.
@@ccirish4519 We are working on Prosthetics. The main issue is still the Neural Interface and especially tactile feedback.
Hard pressed to believe Worf isn't allowed get on the space telephone to Kurn and ask him to come along to do it.
It's been a while since I've watched the episode but this might have happened after Kern had his space memories space replaced.
@@GreyTide Kurn's memory wipe didn't happen in TNG, it was midway through DS9
@@GreyTide It didn't. Kurn's memory wipe happened in DS9. Writers just didn't think of him here obviously.
@@MasterofSpiders I don't think the writers "didn't think of him", I think they didn't care about Kurn because it didn't serve the story and message they were trying to convey. A writer's job isn't to make sure everything remains 100% consistent throughout the series, the writer's job is to create an entertaining story for us to enjoy or maybe create dialogue around. Consistency gets thrown out the window pretty often throughout Star Trek's various shows, TOS being the biggest offender of that. Gene Roddenberry himself often wrote scripts that contradicted scripts he wrote beforehand because the entertainment value of the episode was more important to him than consistency.
@@ericlanglois3782 It's also strange the DS9 writers forgot about this episode when they wrote Worf trying to kill Kurn but for some reason the ritual was different than what Riker read about. In DS9, the assisted suicide was done by the family member but here, Riker said the family member just gives him the knife
But he still brought him the knife right? He says that Worf probably just expects him to hand him the knife and walk away, and he basically did.
Didn't he leave it out of reach?
@@junbh2 I can't remember the specifics of this episode, was he like paralyzed?
@@cteckerman In the episode he lost complete use of his legs and couldn't even sit up straight by himself. So he actually couldn't reach the knife in the place Riker set it in
@@edwardhamham2452 Riker would want to be pretty sure of that! Worf has considerable upper body strength and can be rather stubborn. Perhaps however he can only take his own life and die as an honorable Klingon he he acts in accordance with the ritual: his son would have to bring him the blade.
@@williamsmith8271 been a while since I watched TNG, did it have to be his son? Did the crew think commanding officer was the closest personal acquaintance and went with that?
This is an interesting episode (and conversation in these comments) given the present dialogue concerning whether or not assisted suicide is commendable.
See that’s the danger of normalizing assisted suicide, as soon as it becomes commendable people will feel pressured to die.
@@samuraitabernac3050 I wouldn't speak about it as black and white as that. What happens when your friend is dying anyways and they just dont want to suffer?
I'll always support a person's right to choose. Read up on Brittany Maynard.
@@erikseidler793 the story of Maynard is ONE of the stories worth reading. But it is only one. There are two sides worth hearing. Listening to only one voice and then siding with that is a dangerous practice. I’m not arguing for or against MAID. I’m simply reminding people to be open of mind and heart.
Now back to Star Trek!