What's wonderful about this scene to me is that the entire time he is scheming yet being completely honest. Thus avoiding being caught in a lie to cover the truth without presenting it as such.
I just realized something, the computer did not register Seska as being on board Voyager 3:04 "There are 89 Kazon and 1 Betazoid on board" The computer did not mention 1 Cardassian.
At a stretch, you could argue Seska hid her bio-signature in a previous episode in case she ever boarded the ship again. And the infant might be too young to register as "crew" despite the invaing Kazon being recognised as such. Or it being a half-kazon half-cardassian means the computer can't infer what species it is to add to the crew list, so it treats it like an animal or a hologram and excludes mentioning it.
It is possible, however improbable, that she and baby beamed elsewhere after leaving sickbay. Maybe to Kazon ship to report "good news" to Maje Culluh. It doesn't take more then couple of seconds to beam up. Especially since she doesn't have to go to transporter room, as she can be beamed up from anywhere aboard Voyager.
@@safebox36Well, Kazon do not really fall into cathegory of crew on Federation starship. I doubt that they bothered with informing computer of crew changing as they were too busy gloating over their victory.
I like how the doc reappears in half sneaking position after turning himself on again, he most be aware of his surroundings while off-line, fascinating 🤨
Once Voyager gave him more access to his own program, able to terminate and activate at his own will, it's reasonable to assume he has control of how he spawns in (for example, not saying the line every time, or appearing in his chair instead of standing)
@@randomrazr and killing one person doesn't erase the fact that he risked and sacrificed his life to save many more. Also, no one here said anything about it excusing anything.
Robert Picardo really was amazing in this role. He played each emotion so well here. And I love him for being so committed to sci-fi roles. He was also in all three Stargate series and played a patronizing dad in "The Orville." Now if he could get a role in one of the Star Wars series Disney+ is putting out his sci-fi resume will be complete. Well almost. Did he ever have a role in Babylon 5?
IMHO he carried the Voyager through all seasons. He was acting most interesting character and one that made good jokes. In Stargate he had as well great characters to work for, first you hated them, but later you started to like them. The Orville episodes I saw as honorable mention about his career.
@@georgeparker8198 do you know what makes me laugh? Those on the far left who scream and preach for tolerance, yet they themselves are the least tolerant of all.
I wonder if Seska edited out the computer's ability to detect her and read her as Cardassian while she was still on the Voyager crew? She'd need to pass undetected somehow. With her having left by the time they realised what was up, maybe the crew never bothered to check.
Martha Hackett, who portrayed Seska in 13 episodes, said this episode was the one she disliked. When she was on set, Martha was told there would be two endings: Seska dies or the baby dies. Ultimately, Seska would die. Just like that. After turning her into a big villain, she died by an accident. The console, like many Star Trek consoles, explodes or electrocutes heroes and villains. Martha wished Seska went down in a blaze of glory instead of an accident. However, Seska returns in the same season, Episode 25: Worst Case Scenario and then her finale appearance in Shattered Season 7, Episode 10.
It would've been a more fitting ending where she survived like her baby and ended up being evacuated along with Cullah and the baby and thus being left behind in Kazon space to watch her son grow up and probably never make it back home.
Supposedly she agreed to being killed off this way as she was promised she would make guest appearances in one way or another in future episodes. They did keep the promise, as she did appear in episode Worst Case Scenario.
I like how the Doctor can do something like erase someone's combadge signature from the system in the name of an emergency medical procedure. Like, what?
I see the logic in this. As a doctor (or medical personnel of any kind.) Your primary duty is to care for your patient. This includes protecting said patient from harm. Starfleet would most likely allow fully certified, officer trained combat medics the ability to hide the com signal of his own badge and his patient's to make sure they are safe. (Note: I say fully, as in Lieutenant, with training in field medicine. It wouldn't be just, join starfleet, join the medical devision, bam, that ability.) They were most likely considering two options, event of control system takeover, (Starbase, Outpost, Ship) or enemy locking onto combadges on the battlefield. A real life example of something like this is world war II. Dispite being protected by international law, medics were issues sidearms with to protect patients. Even medics on the western front were issued sidearms, dispite both Germany and the USA observing Geneva.
He can probably delete but not erase from system, it would be the equivalent of deleting a user from a system, the account is not listed in any directory but admins can locate and restore.
"He is the first offspring of a Cardassian and a Kazon. We have no frame of reference by which to judge his initial appearance. Perhaps he will develop more Kazon features as he matures." The doctor being brutally honest and yet looking so satisfied. Definitely not what Seska wanted to hear! 😂🤣
He asked for crew, maybe Seska hadn't been added by Cullah as part of crew, we already know the Kazon stance of females and pretty sure there's no ensign poo-monster on the roster.
1:00 Doctor almost blows it not making eye contact with Seska while denying his ability to lie. But then recovers by pretending to misunderstand her reason for asking.
This episode helped reinforce what I thought was a problem for Voyager. On St:TNG and DS9 you could easily explain crew members showing up for one episode, and then never being seen again. With Voyager, you had a set number of crew; about 150 after the Starfleet and Maquis joined. There was no way for new or different crew members to transfer on and off the ship. It makes it much more awkward to have a character appear in an episode, and then never be seen again even though they are all on this one small ship. Shouldn't we be seeing them somewhere; like in the background on the Bridge or in the Mess Hall? At least someone on the writing staff was keeping count. When characters were killed or died, the total crew number when spoken of in subsequent episodes would be accurately lowered to account for the losses. For a stretch it seemed like they were losing someone every episode. When the episodes became less lethal, I wondered if it was because someone on the writing staff finally reminded them that "hey, we only have a limited number of people to work with!"
There was no 150 crewmembers on Voyager as Voyager is too small ship for that number of crew members. Also, Chakotay's ship was much smaller than Voyager and therefore could even compliment a smaller number of crew members.
When Grima Wormtongue is the hero of the entire episode... No actor plays anti-heros as good as Brad Dourif can. Too bad Suder was only featured in two episodes, but his short appearance is more memorable than some more recurring characters.
Three episodes actually. The one where he was arrested for murder, the one where the Kazon take Voyager, and the one where Suder and the Doctor and Tom Paris take the ship back.
Who didn’t. Even the borg refused to assimilate them lmao. That was the ultimate burn. I blame the hair. How could you take any villain seriously with that fro with trash in it.
@@k.t.1641 lol. The look on Seska's face when she found out the child was half Kazon, it was as though she was thinking "Nooooooooooooooo" like Vader at the end of RoTS.
@@andromidius Something I can't understand though is she moans about Janeway not using the array to get them home, but then effectly maroons herself in the delta quadrant with the lowest of the low. Even the Pakleds have more interesting qualities to them.
3:38 Yes, Doctor, It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Saphu that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning!
I wonder what Maj Cullah’s reaction was when he learned that the child was his son? Maybe he was real pleased that he had an “heir” as he would call him and proudly held his son in his arms while telling him that one day he would lead a strong and powerful sect one day?
I am not sure he was very happy. Number one, he was not in love with Seska nor did he care about her, seeing her simply as an associate and accomplice in furthering his goals. Number two, he, along with other Kazon, do not exactly seem like family type civilization. More wondering, since Culluh took the baby with him when he abandoned Voyager for the last time, what happened to the baby and how he lived with Kazon.
Three things I’m just noticing after watching this plenty of times. The computer didn’t mention seska. Also, there must have been at least two Betazoid crewmen if the Doctor had to ask who it was. And last, why in the world is he crawling the Jeffries tubes with a communicator on. They could easily track and lock onto his badge. Lol
Martha Hackett who portrayed Seska, also said she was peeved that the baby wasn't Chakotay's. After all the hype surrounding Seska being pregnant, and even Chakotay's father saying to go after the child, it wasn't his in the end. I didn't like it either.
1:31 I feel like this moment is overlooked. Seska definitely didn’t really like being with the Kazon, let alone this particular faction of Kazon, and that look on her face, it almost seems as if the idea of not wanting anything to do with her child crosses her mind now that she learns he’s half-Kazon and not half-Human. Then in Seska’s last moments, all she focuses on is trying to get to her same crying child when the ship is under attack. She ultimately chose her son in the end. It seems Seska wasn’t wholly evil.
Even though deleting Suder's comm badge signal is a smart move, I doubt the Doctor would have the security clearance necessary to do something like that.
@@Kartissa and said computer had been taken over by the kazon who added themselves to the crew registry in order to access systems. the doctor only asked for crew not lifeforms.
There was Ensign Jurot. She had to hide with the Vulcans and Refugees back in "Counterpoint". She was given a cast role in both "Star Trek Voyager Elite Force" videgames.
There might be more Betazoids on Voyager that we never get to see. Also, it is possible that Doctor simply forgot that Suder was on board. Even computer programs can make mistakes.
Going old school but wouldn’t some of the lines regarding meat sacks from the Star Wars knights of the old republic assassin droid HK unit be wonderful heard from the doctor
Computer says that there are 49 Kazon and one Betazoid (Lon Suder) on board. I guess even computers can make mistakes. It forgot Seska and her baby who were just in the sickbay a minute ago and were stll on board for sure.
You'll notice that the Doctor appears to have modified the computer so that it doesn't respond that the EMH is already active. Otherwise... Seska: -Activate Emergency Medical Holographic Program" Computer: -This program is already active. The Doctor: -Shit!
There were so many missed gems in these Star Trek series. Suder was _such_ an interesting character, it was massive opportunity missed not to have given him a more prominent and persistent role in Voyager instead of killing him off so soon after we'd got to know about him. The other enormous missed opportunity was Lal, in TNG. Again, if they'd have kept that character instead of killing her off, the Data/Lal relationship would have been so much more fascinating than the Data/Lore storyline, which I found kind of meh.
In Star Trek Online, Seska's child is now fully grown and named Sessen, has taken over his father's role as First maje of the Kazon-Nistrim. He carries on his parents' vendetta against Starfleet and blames them for his mother's death.
3:15 - 3:35 COMPUTER: There is one Betazoid on board. EMH: Who is it? COMPUTER: Crewman Lon Suder. EMH: Suder. Where is he? COMPUTER: Between decks eight and nine. EMH: Doctor to Suder! (No Response) Doctor to Suder! (No Response) Computer! Install the Betazoid language subroutines into my program! I shall attempt to communicate with Crewman Suder telephatically! COMPUTER: Installation complete! EMH (Communicate telephatically): Doctor to Suder! Can you hear me now? SUDER: Yes! Yes, Doctor. I hear you.
April 5, 2063 25.8K subscribers How are the next uploads coming, and could you please upload the entire USS Voyager Battle With Kazon Fleet" scene from "Star Trek: Voyager" Season 2 Episode 26 "Basics, Part I" as well as "Tom Paris and Talaxian's Retake Voyager From Kazon" Space Battle scene from "Star Trek: Voyager" Season 3 Episode 01 "Basics, Part II"?
Kazon were new, Borg was already a major tactical and survival point in Starfleet, and besides, Seska was a spy and traitor, who gave away Voyager's secrets to the Kazon, and then the writers got lazy with the Borg stories...
As stated, the Jazon had an inside operative to help them. But Voyager only survived the Borg due to a mix of the latter picking on a bigger fish, and the former managing to gather valuable data that gave them an edge, and Seven's knowledge from her time with the Borg giving Voyager insider knowledge of them in the same way Seska did for the Kazon.
After the shows and movies are filmed, the production staff will notice the errors, but figure we the viewers wouldn't notice or care. If they had to reshoot it, it would cost more money and more time just to get it right.
@@Megatron-sl5us that sounds plausible. But perhaps they wrote it that she put the badge on the right side I'm not trying to argue. I'm just trying to see if from all sides
From a practical standpoint, if you were going to carry around a baby and wear a combadge, you might try to keep them on opposite sides of the body. Of course, as one arm or the other gets tired of holding the baby, you might start swapping arms without remembering to swap the combadge every time.
Seska is a hybrid, half human and half Cardassian, she was raised by her mother, who conceived Seska due to rape with a Cardassian soldier, in a colony taken by the Cardassians in favor of the Federation, in a unification with the planets in Cardassian space. When the civil war ended, the surviving colonists joined other colonies taken by the Cardassians, founding the Maquis rebel group, which formed enemies against the Federation. Seska altered her form as a Bajoran to work on the engineering of Commander Chakotay's Maquis spacecraft, where the Caretaker released the Maquis group, to join the Voyager crew in the delta quadrant. After three years aboard Voyger, Seska joined the Kazons assassin pirate group to take the USS Voyager, trying to leave the crew stranded on the M-class planet, but died in the crew's combat due to the security energy shock wave. of the USS Voyager powered by the betazoid Suder, who sacrificed his life to save the ship.
Intresting fan fiction. There's a problem with it though. She's not half human. She's 100% Cardassian. Raised on Cardassia. So if your trying to present this as canon.....it's not even close. BUT, if you meant to present it as like another timeline , mirror universe kinda thing, then it could be a diffrent twist. But to just flat out say he's a hybrid, when there is NO mention or evidience of that, even for a silly show, thats a silly thing to say.
"You're not just a hologram.. you're a _Starfleet_ hologram."
AMEN
I’m a doctor not a counter insurgent. Bones would be proud.
"Im a doctor not a nightlight"
*you are hired. Welcome to the cast Mr Picardo*
What's wonderful about this scene to me is that the entire time he is scheming yet being completely honest. Thus avoiding being caught in a lie to cover the truth without presenting it as such.
I love how Seska really has no idea how far the Dr has come and is totally fooled by him playing her.
She has gotten so sloppy, you think the first thing she would do is scan voyager non
Kazon life signs.
@@DavidKnowles0 Well you have to admit, for being part of the Obsidian order, she is no Garak.
Plus would she ever treat him with respect?
This show is full of actors who know about the nuances of acting. I’m amazed every time I watch it.
Picardo's ability to switch back to default, unevolved doctor in this scene is awesome.
I just realized something, the computer did not register Seska as being on board Voyager 3:04 "There are 89 Kazon and 1 Betazoid on board" The computer did not mention 1 Cardassian.
It also didn't mention the baby.
At a stretch, you could argue Seska hid her bio-signature in a previous episode in case she ever boarded the ship again.
And the infant might be too young to register as "crew" despite the invaing Kazon being recognised as such. Or it being a half-kazon half-cardassian means the computer can't infer what species it is to add to the crew list, so it treats it like an animal or a hologram and excludes mentioning it.
It is possible, however improbable, that she and baby beamed elsewhere after leaving sickbay. Maybe to Kazon ship to report "good news" to Maje Culluh. It doesn't take more then couple of seconds to beam up. Especially since she doesn't have to go to transporter room, as she can be beamed up from anywhere aboard Voyager.
@@safebox36Well, Kazon do not really fall into cathegory of crew on Federation starship. I doubt that they bothered with informing computer of crew changing as they were too busy gloating over their victory.
@@safebox36 The baby may well register as Kazon. And it does seem like Seska to hide her own pattern. I can head canon that away.
Brad Dourif really played the part well. From LOTR to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest to Voyager, all around good actor for his smaller roles.
Who was he in LOTR?
@@UNLebanon Grima Wormtongue.
@@christianboyette4463 Ooooh, now I see it.
Dont forget he was in Dune
@@mercenarymike1397 oh yes, how could I forget!
I like how the doc reappears in half sneaking position after turning himself on again, he most be aware of his surroundings while off-line, fascinating 🤨
Once Voyager gave him more access to his own program, able to terminate and activate at his own will, it's reasonable to assume he has control of how he spawns in (for example, not saying the line every time, or appearing in his chair instead of standing)
I always liked Tuvok's prayer for Suder after these events.
What is your PFP from?
@@alexthorsman3186 it’s from Star Citizen. It’s my ranking level onto a custom background.
doesnt excuse he killed somebooty
@@randomrazr and killing one person doesn't erase the fact that he risked and sacrificed his life to save many more. Also, no one here said anything about it excusing anything.
Always loved how Seska and the Kazon wore their combadges on the opposite side from how Starfleet officers wear them.
I love Sudor's reaction. The closing of the eyes, then the eye roll followed by a sign and "I know." :D
Robert Picardo really was amazing in this role. He played each emotion so well here. And I love him for being so committed to sci-fi roles. He was also in all three Stargate series and played a patronizing dad in "The Orville." Now if he could get a role in one of the Star Wars series Disney+ is putting out his sci-fi resume will be complete. Well almost. Did he ever have a role in Babylon 5?
Not yet as far as I'm aware. But it seems B5 is getting a remake, so maybe he can get in there too.
I would love to see him on B5
IMHO he carried the Voyager through all seasons. He was acting most interesting character and one that made good jokes.
In Stargate he had as well great characters to work for, first you hated them, but later you started to like them.
The Orville episodes I saw as honorable mention about his career.
Picardo didn't, but Brad Dourif (Suder) did. And he was brilliant on B5.
I hope Suder got a statue after Voyager got home. Because he fucking deserved it
@DriftZ TwoSeven ^ Random right-wing stupidity in your _Star Trek_ comment section.
@DriftZ TwoSeven Enjoy your losing side of history.
@DriftZ TwoSeven Wow, you are absurdly ignorant.
@@georgeparker8198 do you know what makes me laugh? Those on the far left who scream and preach for tolerance, yet they themselves are the least tolerant of all.
@DriftZ TwoSeven WE ARE all ONE race. Diversity can be used as a tool but also as a weapon. It can be used to cut both ways.
Holographic Maury Povich: “Chakotay- you are NOT the father!” 😆😆
Non- Father doing a backflip and doing a dance while the audience cheers.
Seska starts flipping out as Chakotay dances on stage, Tuvok has to hold her back as the censor bleeps out her slurs.
@@jarvy251 “Look at that mark on the forehead, Maury. Don’t that look like a tattoo to you?”
Chakotay doing even more happy dances as Janeway and rest joine him celebrateing
A scifi soap opera.
3:05 Uh, Computer - you missed a Cardassian in that listing!
And it I am unsure if you counted the child as a Kazon or just forgot it as well.
I guess neither can be classified as "crew".
@@elrac7333 Love it. That's *exactly* how I would have interpreted the question the first time.
I wonder if Seska edited out the computer's ability to detect her and read her as Cardassian while she was still on the Voyager crew? She'd need to pass undetected somehow.
With her having left by the time they realised what was up, maybe the crew never bothered to check.
Martha Hackett, who portrayed Seska in 13 episodes, said this episode was the one she disliked. When she was on set, Martha was told there would be two endings: Seska dies or the baby dies. Ultimately, Seska would die. Just like that. After turning her into a big villain, she died by an accident. The console, like many Star Trek consoles, explodes or electrocutes heroes and villains. Martha wished Seska went down in a blaze of glory instead of an accident. However, Seska returns in the same season, Episode 25: Worst Case Scenario and then her finale appearance in Shattered Season 7, Episode 10.
I thought the console overload was deliberate in order to regain control of the ship. It was no accident. But yes, death by console does get old
@@lancelink5358 The console did overload. Just like many Star Trek deaths. Seska died a wimpy death.
I agree with her. She was such a fun villain and I loved Martha Hackett's portrayal. She deserved a better death.
It would've been a more fitting ending where she survived like her baby and ended up being evacuated along with Cullah and the baby and thus being left behind in Kazon space to watch her son grow up and probably never make it back home.
Supposedly she agreed to being killed off this way as she was promised she would make guest appearances in one way or another in future episodes. They did keep the promise, as she did appear in episode Worst Case Scenario.
I like how the Doctor can do something like erase someone's combadge signature from the system in the name of an emergency medical procedure. Like, what?
Can you think of a better way to keep Suder alive?
Plot armor takes many forms. In any case, he's probably the only doctor in Starfleet that would remember that.
he is chief medical officer with all the rights and privileges of that position
I see the logic in this.
As a doctor (or medical personnel of any kind.) Your primary duty is to care for your patient. This includes protecting said patient from harm.
Starfleet would most likely allow fully certified, officer trained combat medics the ability to hide the com signal of his own badge and his patient's to make sure they are safe.
(Note: I say fully, as in Lieutenant, with training in field medicine. It wouldn't be just, join starfleet, join the medical devision, bam, that ability.)
They were most likely considering two options, event of control system takeover, (Starbase, Outpost, Ship) or enemy locking onto combadges on the battlefield.
A real life example of something like this is world war II. Dispite being protected by international law, medics were issues sidearms with to protect patients. Even medics on the western front were issued sidearms, dispite both Germany and the USA observing Geneva.
He can probably delete but not erase from system, it would be the equivalent of deleting a user from a system, the account is not listed in any directory but admins can locate and restore.
I like the way she talked, she was very cute in those moments
Seska was my favorite Cardassian! I loved the actor who portrayed her. I have the DVDs as well as the Star Trek games she voiced!
@@Megatron-sl5us didn`t know she voiced games , I`m not very sensitive to different voices
"He is the first offspring of a Cardassian and a Kazon. We have no frame of reference by which to judge his initial appearance. Perhaps he will develop more Kazon features as he matures." The doctor being brutally honest and yet looking so satisfied. Definitely not what Seska wanted to hear! 😂🤣
"I'm a doctor, not a counter insurgent"... Star Fleet doctors are so versatile.
Then Maury Povic appears and says, you are NOT the father and Chakotay starts doing cartwheels. 😂😂
Robert Picardo killed in this!!!!
Suder: "what a beauuutiful baby"
89 kazon and 1 betazoid
the cardassian and the cardassian/kazon must have vanished when they walked out of sickbay
He asked for crew, maybe Seska hadn't been added by Cullah as part of crew, we already know the Kazon stance of females and pretty sure there's no ensign poo-monster on the roster.
@@develynseether4426 But Cullah added Suder to the roster as he's male 😁
@@TheCormTube he wasn't deleted.
@@develynseether4426 Technically, Seska was never member of Kazon-Nistrim, at least not officially, as she was just Culluh's lover and advisor.
1:00 Doctor almost blows it not making eye contact with Seska while denying his ability to lie. But then recovers by pretending to misunderstand her reason for asking.
Lon Suder gave a whole new meaning and dimension to the expression "unlikeliest of all the heroes".
This episode helped reinforce what I thought was a problem for Voyager. On St:TNG and DS9 you could easily explain crew members showing up for one episode, and then never being seen again. With Voyager, you had a set number of crew; about 150 after the Starfleet and Maquis joined. There was no way for new or different crew members to transfer on and off the ship.
It makes it much more awkward to have a character appear in an episode, and then never be seen again even though they are all on this one small ship. Shouldn't we be seeing them somewhere; like in the background on the Bridge or in the Mess Hall?
At least someone on the writing staff was keeping count. When characters were killed or died, the total crew number when spoken of in subsequent episodes would be accurately lowered to account for the losses. For a stretch it seemed like they were losing someone every episode. When the episodes became less lethal, I wondered if it was because someone on the writing staff finally reminded them that "hey, we only have a limited number of people to work with!"
There was no 150 crewmembers on Voyager as Voyager is too small ship for that number of crew members. Also, Chakotay's ship was much smaller than Voyager and therefore could even compliment a smaller number of crew members.
Just occurred that the Doctor was glad to have serial killer on board.
i wish they kept brad longer maybe make him a recuring charater.
He was just a guest and probably couldn't appear in more than couple of episodes.
When Grima Wormtongue is the hero of the entire episode... No actor plays anti-heros as good as Brad Dourif can. Too bad Suder was only featured in two episodes, but his short appearance is more memorable than some more recurring characters.
Three episodes actually. The one where he was arrested for murder, the one where the Kazon take Voyager, and the one where Suder and the Doctor and Tom Paris take the ship back.
@@Davis385 Ok, yes, true, I stand corrected. But my point is still the same.
@@miroslavtomic7038 Agreed 👍👍
Although Seska joined thee Kazon you could tell he hated them.
Who didn’t. Even the borg refused to assimilate them lmao. That was the ultimate burn. I blame the hair. How could you take any villain seriously with that fro with trash in it.
@@k.t.1641 lol. The look on Seska's face when she found out the child was half Kazon, it was as though she was thinking "Nooooooooooooooo" like Vader at the end of RoTS.
Well she is Cardassian intelligence. I imagine it takes some serious superiority complex to rise through those ranks.
@@andromidius Something I can't understand though is she moans about Janeway not using the array to get them home, but then effectly maroons herself in the delta quadrant with the lowest of the low.
Even the Pakleds have more interesting qualities to them.
I like how the dr did a throw back of his original personality
3:06 and thus the tiny spark that will one day be the Emergency Command Hologram program was born.
0:10 This whole plan would have been ruined if the computer had said "that program is already running" 🤣
I'm sure the Doctor could have played that off as "being left on" when the ship was taken over.
I love the nod to McCoy.
Title: "Seska Inform the Doctor that the Kazon Have Taken Over the Ship"
* Seska *Informs* the Doctor that the Kazon Have Taken Over the Ship.
3:38 Yes, Doctor, It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Saphu that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning!
I wonder what Maj Cullah’s reaction was when he learned that the child was his son? Maybe he was real pleased that he had an “heir” as he would call him and proudly held his son in his arms while telling him that one day he would lead a strong and powerful sect one day?
I am not sure he was very happy. Number one, he was not in love with Seska nor did he care about her, seeing her simply as an associate and accomplice in furthering his goals. Number two, he, along with other Kazon, do not exactly seem like family type civilization. More wondering, since Culluh took the baby with him when he abandoned Voyager for the last time, what happened to the baby and how he lived with Kazon.
Culluh always believed it was his. He wasn't aware of Seska's deception.
Three things I’m just noticing after watching this plenty of times. The computer didn’t mention seska. Also, there must have been at least two Betazoid crewmen if the Doctor had to ask who it was. And last, why in the world is he crawling the Jeffries tubes with a communicator on. They could easily track and lock onto his badge. Lol
The kazon haven't learned how to read English or use starfleet earth technology
We've got 89 Heavily armed Kazon warriors!
We've Got 1 Homicidal Doll!
Dude should have activated Emergency Command Hologram.
This is likely WHY he came up with ECH.
I wish Seska wound up a member of Voyager's crew. Would have given way to more interesting stories than certain other crew members.
Martha Hackett who portrayed Seska, also said she was peeved that the baby wasn't Chakotay's. After all the hype surrounding Seska being pregnant, and even Chakotay's father saying to go after the child, it wasn't his in the end. I didn't like it either.
well they neede a reason to leave her behind
yeah that was a bad move to make it not chakotays kid.
I just realized the computer couldn't detect seska
Who else would have loved to see doctor admit the baby is chakotay’s son after all. He was just trying to deceive the mother
I love that mr suder is redeemed in this episode
The computer didn't say that the doctor is already active when Seska activated him.
That is because he was not activated before she did it.
@@miroslavtomic7038 Of course he was.
2:22 Star Trek: Murray!~
Lol I really appreciated the doctors reference to Nathan Hale.
The Kazon continuously gave Voyager problems in the first two seasons.
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1:31 I feel like this moment is overlooked. Seska definitely didn’t really like being with the Kazon, let alone this particular faction of Kazon, and that look on her face, it almost seems as if the idea of not wanting anything to do with her child crosses her mind now that she learns he’s half-Kazon and not half-Human. Then in Seska’s last moments, all she focuses on is trying to get to her same crying child when the ship is under attack. She ultimately chose her son in the end. It seems Seska wasn’t wholly evil.
He never "end"ed the log.
The computer probably automatically ended it when he gave the next command.
Even though deleting Suder's comm badge signal is a smart move, I doubt the Doctor would have the security clearance necessary to do something like that.
I think the computer forgot that Seska is a Cardassian and is in fact, on board, along with her Cardassian/Kazon hybrid of a son.
You are not the father!!!
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i wonder if Seska's baby ever showed up in beta canon.
He does. At least in Star Trek Online.
Surely at 3:08 it should have said 89 Kazon, 1 Cardassian, 1 Betazoid and 1 Species unknown (Seska's child) ?
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@@arceerogueharleyquinncapta9925 kazon don't consider females crew.
@@toomanyaccounts But the Federation does, and it was a Federation computer he asked.
@@Kartissa and said computer had been taken over by the kazon who added themselves to the crew registry in order to access systems. the doctor only asked for crew not lifeforms.
@@toomanyaccounts Fair enough.
Are there more than one betazoid on the ship? I know there are at least 3 vulcans on board even though you only see two.
There was Ensign Jurot. She had to hide with the Vulcans and Refugees back in "Counterpoint".
She was given a cast role in both "Star Trek Voyager Elite Force" videgames.
There was also that lady who introduced Tom Paris to Voyager that kicked it in The Caretaker.
There might be more Betazoids on Voyager that we never get to see. Also, it is possible that Doctor simply forgot that Suder was on board. Even computer programs can make mistakes.
Going old school but wouldn’t some of the lines regarding meat sacks from the Star Wars knights of the old republic assassin droid HK unit be wonderful heard from the doctor
Yes, I could see that, although it only makes sense coming from a malevolently reprogrammed EMH or his Mirror Universe counterpart.
Computer says that there are 49 Kazon and one Betazoid (Lon Suder) on board. I guess even computers can make mistakes. It forgot Seska and her baby who were just in the sickbay a minute ago and were stll on board for sure.
89 Kazon.
Not reałly rełevent, but the computer forgot to account for a cardiassian and hałf cardiassian.
Hmm, Computer? I think you forgot about the Cardie and Half Cardie that just left my sickbay.
kazon wouldn't have added them to the crew roster. he asked for crew not lifeforms
You can always count on Cucky LOL!!!
Evil Seska! She made me so mad!
You'll notice that the Doctor appears to have modified the computer so that it doesn't respond that the EMH is already active.
Otherwise...
Seska:
-Activate Emergency Medical Holographic Program"
Computer:
-This program is already active.
The Doctor:
-Shit!
There were so many missed gems in these Star Trek series. Suder was _such_ an interesting character, it was massive opportunity missed not to have given him a more prominent and persistent role in Voyager instead of killing him off so soon after we'd got to know about him. The other enormous missed opportunity was Lal, in TNG. Again, if they'd have kept that character instead of killing her off, the Data/Lal relationship would have been so much more fascinating than the Data/Lore storyline, which I found kind of meh.
The Doctor was right to tell Seska the truth about her child like that, it's common courtesy.
He is computer program designed to provide medical services. It is not in his program to tell lies, so he had to be honest with her.
And then the child was never spoken of again.
In Star Trek Online, Seska's child is now fully grown and named Sessen, has taken over his father's role as First maje of the Kazon-Nistrim. He carries on his parents' vendetta against Starfleet and blames them for his mother's death.
@@ff3player Yes, I too remember playing through that story arc.
The computer says that there are 89 Kazon aboard
It does not mention Seska or the baby
3:07 - The computer does not count the Cardasian or her interspersed baby.
Looks like the Nistrim have been boning Seska
What is the "gang from Sandrine's" anyway? I looked it up but couldn't find anything.
Chez Sandrine was a restaurant holoprogram where the crew would sometimes hang out in Season 2.
@@pangalactictuber Oh thanks. Been so long since I've watch the series totally didn't realize it was an in-show reference.
No problem! Same for me too- in the context of Nathan Hale, it took me 10 minutes of fishing around to figure it out.
3:15 - 3:35 COMPUTER: There is one Betazoid on board.
EMH: Who is it?
COMPUTER: Crewman Lon Suder.
EMH: Suder. Where is he?
COMPUTER: Between decks eight and nine.
EMH: Doctor to Suder! (No Response) Doctor to Suder! (No Response) Computer! Install the Betazoid language subroutines into my program! I shall attempt to communicate with Crewman Suder telephatically!
COMPUTER: Installation complete!
EMH (Communicate telephatically): Doctor to Suder! Can you hear me now?
SUDER: Yes! Yes, Doctor. I hear you.
Voyager's computer definitely prefers the inputs it can answer with a beep.
Suter lol the guy who was locked in his room for killing is now needed to kill the kazon...irony
Che Guevarra? Some kind of hero? Not sure how I missed that reference the first time this ran.
racist communist guerilla
Not a hero, just a guerrilla fighter
114.... CRM-114 .... ;)
She is really not holding that baby very well?
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25.8K subscribers How are the next uploads coming, and could you please upload the entire USS Voyager Battle With Kazon Fleet" scene from "Star Trek: Voyager" Season 2 Episode 26 "Basics, Part I" as well as "Tom Paris and Talaxian's Retake Voyager From Kazon" Space Battle scene from "Star Trek: Voyager" Season 3 Episode 01 "Basics, Part II"?
I am planning to post Paris and Talaxian's Retake Voyager on Friday. As for TNG Darmok I hope to work on that next week.
@@April-dv2pb Friday today or next Friday?
@@jamieolberding7731 Today late evening.
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How did Voyager go from losing to Kazon to defeating the Borg
Kazon were new, Borg was already a major tactical and survival point in Starfleet, and besides, Seska was a spy and traitor, who gave away Voyager's secrets to the Kazon, and then the writers got lazy with the Borg stories...
As stated, the Jazon had an inside operative to help them.
But Voyager only survived the Borg due to a mix of the latter picking on a bigger fish, and the former managing to gather valuable data that gave them an edge, and Seven's knowledge from her time with the Borg giving Voyager insider knowledge of them in the same way Seska did for the Kazon.
He's between decks 8 and 9 soooooo deck 7 then
Without seska, the kazon episodes would have been unbearable to watch.
I hate this scene for the simple fact that the computer didn't respond with "That program is already running."
Why is her combage on the wrong side?
Either because she didn't know or didn't care. I'm leaning towards she didn't care
After the shows and movies are filmed, the production staff will notice the errors, but figure we the viewers wouldn't notice or care. If they had to reshoot it, it would cost more money and more time just to get it right.
@@Megatron-sl5us that sounds plausible. But perhaps they wrote it that she put the badge on the right side
I'm not trying to argue. I'm just trying to see if from all sides
From a practical standpoint, if you were going to carry around a baby and wear a combadge, you might try to keep them on opposite sides of the body. Of course, as one arm or the other gets tired of holding the baby, you might start swapping arms without remembering to swap the combadge every time.
You know, Seska wasn't the only Kazon who had a comm badge on the opposite side. Look at the rest of them
Seska is a hybrid, half human and half Cardassian, she was raised by her mother, who conceived Seska due to rape with a Cardassian soldier, in a colony taken by the Cardassians in favor of the Federation, in a unification with the planets in Cardassian space.
When the civil war ended, the surviving colonists joined other colonies taken by the Cardassians, founding the Maquis rebel group, which formed enemies against the Federation.
Seska altered her form as a Bajoran to work on the engineering of Commander Chakotay's Maquis spacecraft, where the Caretaker released the Maquis group, to join the Voyager crew in the delta quadrant.
After three years aboard Voyger, Seska joined the Kazons assassin pirate group to take the USS Voyager, trying to leave the crew stranded on the M-class planet, but died in the crew's combat due to the security energy shock wave. of the USS Voyager powered by the betazoid Suder, who sacrificed his life to save the ship.
I never knew she was half Cardassian.
Intresting fan fiction. There's a problem with it though. She's not half human. She's 100% Cardassian. Raised on Cardassia. So if your trying to present this as canon.....it's not even close. BUT, if you meant to present it as like another timeline , mirror universe kinda thing, then it could be a diffrent twist. But to just flat out say he's a hybrid, when there is NO mention or evidience of that, even for a silly show, thats a silly thing to say.
That would explain why her cardassian features aren't as prominent as others
Hollywood's love of Che...SMH
Random right-wing _Star Trek_ fans are always good for a laugh.
@@PR--un4ub Lol better than worshiping a communist terrorist!
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