Bullying Star Wars Ships I Hate (...Part One?)
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- On today's Star Wars video, I take a look at a bunch of Star Wars ships that I really don't like and throw some shade at them, from both Star Wars Legends and Canon. If you enjoy this video, drop a like and leave a ship that you really dislike!
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Good, good. Let the hate FLOW through you!
Yes, ever since I got into Star Wars in 2014, I have despised the AT-PT with all my heart.
It is the way to the dark side
@@lanceknowlton1871 Yes
I actually hate the A5 Juggernaut because they neglected the A6 Juggernaut (the one on Kashyyk)
Your new name is... Darth Corgi.
I love how this video ain’t even “why these ships are objectively bad”, it’s straight up dunking on ships for being goofy. I’m all for it.
Before watching this video: Twin Ion Engine series are awesome, how possibly can they screw it up.
After watching: Oh.
He only scratches the surface on terrible and terrible looking TIE variants.
"The Ball of Death"🎱
Tie mauler...
@@lordzykron5518
A tie fighter with the ball cockpit painted like Darth Maul's head... would you really want a flying Maul head coming at you?
@@bluehero-96 how about a tie defender with extention struts allowing it to have 99 wings on each cluster. Also it's painted yellow and pink. How would you like that coming at you....
I feel click-baited. The TIE Experimental M1 was in the thumbnail, but not the video, and it really deserves a good roasting for how monumentally stupid it looks.
Eck should be excommunicated by the Prophets of the Dark Side for not liking the Assault Gunboat.
RIGHT!!!!
I kinda agree with him though, had it been more of an actual gunboat, bigger with a like 3-4 man crew like a Skipray, and modeled off of the Lambda, it'd have looked way cooler.
It deserves zero additional attention. It's basically an inverse TIE Bomber and it should feel bad.
Well it's an experimental tie did you expect it to look normal?
I love that TIE Experimental M1. It has a kit-bash vibe, although it would be even better if it just had two cockpits rather than a big turbolaser and one cockpit. Also, I want a TIE Interceptor sort of variant, with the panels straightened up vertical, between the two cockpits.
Getting acknowledged in this video for my Rogue Shadow take has to be the highest honor I've ever received.
That's good. You've taken your first step into a larger world.
King
I tried to include your tweet, but couldn't find it!
@@EckhartsLadder I'm slightly disappointed that you didn't cover the out of nowhere redesign it got in The Force Unleashed 2.
It's hard to imagine that both versions are supposed to be the exact same ship.
@@26th_Primarch I'd argue it looks way better, at least, minus the cockpit, it's even worse, I think.
The assault gunboat I have to disagree with you on. To me it looks like someone said "okay, we have the Lambda Shuttle, what if we replaced all that person capacity with missiles?" The ship looks like a derivative of the Lambda, and it fits the Star Wars general aesthetics of "can it be made by flat pieces, curved pieces, or vacuuform shells?"
Yeah it's one of the very best. Letting Cygnus get at least ONE fighter contract is cool.
I agree, the star wing is a great design and underrated IMO
I think that's fair.
It was always my favorite in TIE Fighter. It had the Jack of all trades feel of the Defender (it has shields, and lasers, and ion cannons, and ordinance, AND hyperdrive), but without being better than every other fighter out there. It gives up superiority in one field to be able to act in others.
The TIE Defender, on the other hand, just seems like an uninspired Mary Sue of a starfighter (and I’ll bet it speaks every language and can talk to animals, too).
yeah the tie defender is unreasonable overpowered and despite having so many weapons and shields its somehow faster than everyone
About the assault gunboat. My headcanon for it was that its what happens if you take a Lambda shuttle and put weapons on it and later on refine it a bit. But to me it was allways an armed shuttle.
Also the image you use, that looks a lot more advanced and at the same time more like a SG1 ship then what I remember from the old TieFighter game. On the other hand that could just be bad memories.
Anyway I see a design language taken over from the shuttle. So for me it fits.
Fore it looks too much like a Battlestar Galactica ship to belong in Star Wars.
@@tracyacquard7945 Yah, it almost is looks like an F-89 Scorpion from the late 40s and a YF-23 had a baby
I can see Eck's point but I disagree. It shared design lineage with the Lambda, perhaps it would have been better if the wings were angled like the Lambda but I can easily see it as someone seeing the early Lambda combat tests and saying, "what if we strip out all the passenger stuff, reduce the crew and shrink it as far as possible. Only to realize it needed more teeth so they loaded it to what for Star Wars is an obscene number of missiles.
Hey let's be fair to the "Victory Frigate," the Arquitens didn't exist yet.
How could anyone hate the Assault Gunboat though, that just ain't right.
Though since you mentioned it, if you remember the Escort Shuttle, that kinda counted as a "Attack Lambda Shuttle" I think. Sure the thing barely showed up through the games but it was there. Looked damn awesome too.
When it comes to hating the assault gunboat. I don't think it looks imperial! Other than that I like it.
The original design for the Escort Shuttle didn't have folding wings, so I hated it because it looked like it couldn't possibly land in a shuttle bay.
The Victory 2 class frigate was built for Darth Jar-Jar. You can tell, because it looks somewhat like his head.
He is such a powerful Sith that he influenced ship design LONG before his existence was even hinted at.
It's sort of surprising how popular Battlefront 2 was given how games made only one or two years after the original usually turn out (Star Wars examples being KOTOR2 and TFU2).
that shuttel was a pain in the ass, firepower like a corvett "agile" like a bomber and armor twice a bwing AND IT SHOOTS BACKWARDS, had them much more common in TIE than it shoud be i gues but if i could choose i would fly in them^^
What? You had me up until you dunked on the Alpha-class XG-1 Starwing. That has got to be one of the coolest, most under-appreciated fighters in all of Star Wars.
"What? You mean to tell me all this time the Empire had a hyperspace-capable space superiority fighter and all we ever see are fucking TIEs?!"
And it's rightfully rendered obsolete by its younger sibling, the Missile Boat. The problem with the "it doesn't look like it belongs in Star Wars" argument is that the argument acts like there are no other Starfighter manufacturers in the Star Wars universe, besides Seinar and Incom.
@@andrewrichards312 It still has the missile boat beat in energy weapons versatility. Laser cannons and ion cannons where as the missile boat just has a single laser cannon.
But I agree. If we're going to judge the XG-1 on whether or not it looks Star Wars enough (which is silly considering the Lambda is a thing) then a lot of fighters are called into question under the same argument. R-41? IRD? Literally tons. It's silly. It's like saying the F-22 doesnt look airplane enough despite being an airplane.
@@wun1gee Energy weapons are irrelevant though, because the smart Missile Boat Pilot will never get into a close range dogfight where they're even useful. The Missile Boat is essentially the ultimate sniper of all starfighters. A smart pilot will never use their laser cannon as it directly powers the SLAM system. Instead, they'll get close enough to target a ship, launch missiles and then SLAM back to a safe distance. With one missile launcher always carrying 40 concussion missiles, you've got a fair amount of liberty to spam enemies with. The Missile Boat can even outrun missiles with the SLAM system engaged, so short of someone getting very skilled and very cute with a hyperdrive, or being unlucky and having enemies drop out of hyperspace right on top of you while your SLAM system has its energy depleted, the only thing that poses a legitimate threat to the Missile Boat, is another Missile Boat. (Yes this was my favourite starfighter in Star Wars: Tie Fighter :-P )
Don't get me wrong, the only thing I rate higher than an XG-1 Starwing at close range dogfighting is a TIE Defender (yes, I'd take an XG-1 over a TIE Avenger any day of the week and twice on Sunday). However I rate a missile boat as being superior to both when you understand what I guess you'd call "dog-sniping" tactics.
@@andrewrichards312 That's the same argument they used when they designed the F-4 Phantom. The gun is irrelevant. Who would ever need a gun on something as fast as the Phantom when everyone's just slinging missiles at each other?
Then Phantoms started getting shot down by MiGs with guns.
But yeah I do agree the two serve different roles. The XG-1's a space superiority fighter and the XM-1's a strike craft. As such their mission profiles don't really overlap.
They're both exceptionally cool and I hope one day we'll get to see one in canon.
@@wun1gee The argument about the F-4 is a false equivalency, as you're essentially equating an F4 with a what would effectively be a Harrier with hypersonic capabilities. The F4 simply isn't capable of hovering in place to snipe enemies with missiles, turning on a dime and then going hypersonic. The XM-1 is due to both the nature of the SLAM and space combat. It's entirely possible to drift into gun range in an F-4 because of the nature of both Air Combat and its lack of hover capabilities unless you're really careful as a pilot. With the XM-1 however you've got to be very careless, oblivious (ignoring a missile lock) and have a deathwish, in order to become an easy target.
That said, I do think the ideal squadron formation for the Empire would have been 1 or 2 XG-1s and the rest of the squadron being made up of XM-1s. The XG-1s can keep the enemy occupied, while the 1 or 2 XM-1's can pick off any enemy fighters attacking the XG-1s, while taking out any capital ships - all from long distance.
Love the idea of this series. I read the NEG to Vehicles countless times as a kid and I always hated some of them. Can’t wait to see the next entry.
He should do one on that one NR ship that i can never remember the name of, the modified Dreadnaught heavy cruiser in the Thrawn trilogy
@@kingkempf2540 the cruiser with the crew complement almost equal to a full on ISD?
@@kingkempf2540 Rebel Assault Frigate. I actually like that one.
The Rogue Shadow was actually designed so it would have a recognizable silhouette, with the intention that it could easily be ignored as just a Freighter instead of a Fighter, which when you think about it having a chunk of you vision cut out does make it look like less of a fighter lol
With the whole wings thing, typically a good Sci fi way to write them off is as radiators. In space, unless you keep spewing out some coolant the only way to get rid of heat generated from systems is by having it radiate off the ships surface. As such having something large and flat like a wing is a good way to do that, even on the IRL ISS you can see some white panels that are doing just that. So on the lambda for example, having the wings deploy out so no surface is facing another, and thus not just radiating heat back at itself, makes some sense; as does having a ship need more radiators for something intensive like combat, like the s foils going to attack mode on an X-wing. Mind you IRL radiators wouldn't look much like wings but it's a good enough explanation for star wars I think.
Yup, getting rid of excess heat in space is actually a major problem.
i think someone did some math on the xwing and found out it would need like 2.5km long wings to radiate all the heat generated from its weapons, engines, and the nuclear reactor in the back
@@tacticalchicken7395 Star Wars physics basically involve a lot of stuff not melting or catching fire. I mean, they had to spark up a whole Star Destroyer engine to give that Bad Batch sniper a bad day. Note the lack of incineration. :)
@@tacticalchicken7395 Yeah, the math is definitely not exact, and inconsistent with giant capital ships usually ignoring radiators. But for a world where spaceships fight like its a WWII dogfight I think it's enough.
@@basabromander2778 at least the space dicks on the star destroyers in the last movie look cool
With your buddy up north, I'm feeling alot of anger and frustration...as the legend says "it's impossible for a Canidian jedi to turn to the darkside, they have too much empathy." So while I'd like to agree, I'm sorry that you feel that way and feeling some dark vibes. Great content as always Eck! Props from northern Canada mate!
Oh man, the Experimental TIEs 🤣
I hated the first level you had to fight them, they look dumb but the fact it had a turbo laser instead of normal laser canons meant it could make Swiss cheese out of the convey you had to protect. Dumb looking fighter, but pretty dangerous
But Experimential ties have at least justification of being experimental.
Unlike the Porsche Triwing
Oh yea, I really enjoyed that campaign as a whole, just loathe that first level.
The level where all five different models attack the Liberty is a blast...though designing an entire starfighter around being a flying bomb was a bit extra, even for Zaarin 😅
@@michaelandreipalon359 yea, even had a few prototypes up and running if I remember right. Only time in Alliance's campaign you can fight them
@@michaelandreipalon359 In multiplayer and sim missions the Avenger and Defender are both massively nerfed compared to TIE Fighter/
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Finally it's here.
I appreciate this version of Eck, a series where he can let loose and be a bit more unscripted and off the cuff. That alternate design for the Rogue Shadow looked frikin awesome
in defence of the gunboat, the X Wing was supposed to be and Imperial ship (in lore) so now picture X wings Flying next to the gunboat, that wouldn't look too out of Place
even next to the z95 head hunter it would look good but i agree that it does look a bit out of Place of you only see it next to ties and start destroyers
Someone needs to do a fan film interior mock ups of the Xyston. With FO crew having to deal with the bathroom being twice the size.
"Now I know how a jawa feels on a standard ship".
Where did they even get the crew from, if they’re cloned they’re probably just the right size for the ship
All I can think of is the scene in Zootopia.
"Fell into the toilet? You're dead bunny!"
I reckon the loos would be the right size, being bought in a bulk sale from Lando Sky Palace Bathroom fittings Inc but plumbing them would be a nightmare.
Plus maybe they'd have American style toilet doors. They're ridiculous enough in real life but double sized you wouldn't even have to open them to walk into the cubicle :p
@@pocketmarcy6990 They're "sith cultists who lived on Exegol" or something.
Bro everything is normal on the inside. Like idk what Eck is talking about we see the bridge of the Xyston and everything is normal size.
Eck, your rants about ship designs are absolutely beautiful. Few people go out of their way to challenge how stupid some things in sci-fi end up looking and Star Wars has become very susceptible to this in recent years. The dinky little TIE Raptor had me dying; nobody ever mentions what use wings have
You're on to something with the TIE Raptor, remove the wings. Its the 'absolute minimum starfighter'. It has only what you need for combat in the least expensive package possible; no sensors to be jammed, no complex shield generators, no hyperdrives that can fail. If it wasn't for the dangers of micrometeors I'd suggest removing the hull and just having the spaceframe.
The wings mount the lasers IIRC the normal laser nubs are now the conc missiles.
Okay, so we take the twin ion engines, weld some lasers to the front of the power plant, tape a computer to the bottom (to run the HUD and such) and bolt a seat on top with a transparisteel 'windscreen'. Attach your rebreather machinery to the back of the seat, weld some landing struts to the bottom of the engine, and you can rack more of these fighters than you can feed pilots!
Add the TIE fighter to the list of vehicles Pierre Sprey "designed". I wonder when we'll get a Lazerpig video on it
@@joannsmith8034 still gotta get them to combat somehow
@@paulableman2663 amen let's see it
Eck: (Includes Rogue Shadow)
"It is... Acceptable"
Also Eck: (Includes XG-1 Star Wing)
**"HANS! GET ZE FLAMMENWERFER!"**
How does the refit Rogue Shadow (Force Unleashed 2) compare?
It might be personal bias, but the missions where you have to be the XG-1 in the old tie fighter games were a lot harder than the first few training and combat missions lol.
"An Imperial-I class hanging dong"
[wheeze]
That diss was so succinct it caught me off-guard.
Dude the Rogue Shadow is one of my all time favorite Star Wars ships. It might not make sense but art style wise it’s seriously awesome. I love the messy scrap metal look to it.
I have it as a Lego set so I felt unsatisfied while watching that part 😂
What have these ships ever done to you, to deserve this?
Existing
They’re just bad, stupid, inferior
They existed. Nuff said.
Exist
Your mom (Jk bro)
*In defence of the Tie Raptor and Scythe*
The Scythe could be fixed by just having all the guns _be in turrets_ on either side of the blade, so they have 180° coverage. And that means with them side mounted with clear line of sight, _all_ the main firepower can hit equally front and rear arcs, with ½ the guns hitting on broadsides or above or below (assuming staggered layout).
Then it becomes far more effective than standard hull layouts.
And as for the Tie Raptor, that's actually a better design for the wings/panels than other Ties (including the Defender 😱) as it solves the biggest issue most Ties have … the panels blocking line of sight of the pilot.
Even the Defender had a lot of blind spots from it's panels…
It just looks wrong due to proportioning, the panels seem to small and stubby. If they were a bit bigger (each half the size of a standard Ties, so that with twice the panels it's the same surface area) and there was a bit of body work on the ball for anchor points, then it would look formidable.
But if you assume that they somehow shrunk down the needed surface area of the panels without sacrificing performance, then this thing would be lethal… hard to hit due to small target profile, even side on, and the panels being perpendicular to the pilot allow unobstructed viewing out of the tiny little front only facing cockpit window …
…
_I think I've spotted a flaw?_
*nods* yeah TIE Raptors do admittedly look off but their combat effectiveness is scary with heir large missile load out.
To be fair, the Tie Raptor just looks dumb. It's rule of cool in action. Don't matter how good it is if it looks like baby's first Tie Fighter.
@@TheSuperRatt true true
I mean a TIE series cockpit is always gonna be kinda shitty with zero peripheral, but at least the Raptor doesn't exacerbate the issue with it's panel design.
I thought the Sythe's guns _were_ in turrets with something like 90+ degrees traverse off-axis. Certainly looks like it has turrets on the sides of the fin.
So yeah, it's optimized for forward firing but it can still cover its flanks (just not its rear) with half its arsenal per side unless I'm greatly mistaken.
Ekhart claiming the ship could only fire straight ahead seems a terrible misread to me.
hahaha oh my gosh I was not expecting to laugh so much during this! Also, when you were talking about the TIE raptor and how it should've just ditched the wings and be a flying ball of death, which made me realize that I think I need to see a mod for that in Empire at War now as that would be hilarious to overrun the Rebels with that lmao!
Please do more!
can you imagine being an imperial commander expecting a shipment of new fighters and instead of getting new interceptors or something you get stuck with tie raptors
I actually really like the Victory Frigate. It looks like someone took a Vindicator cruiser and a Pelta frigate together. I’d like it even more if the wings could fold backwards like the Pelta.
Honestly the Victory II is low-key one of my favorite Imperial ships. I like the sleek design, how it almost looks like a gun platform, and that bridge design you rarely ever see on imperial ships.
Aesthetically folding wings look cool, but in practice they drastically increase the risk of mechanical failure, which is detrimental for something designed to operate in space. The additional costs that come with increased maintenance requirements aren't suitable for a cost cutting faction like the Empire that's diverting so much funds and resources into super weapons.
I loved the XG-1 Assault Gunboat. It debuted in the DOS X-Wing series and probably took some inspiration from a Colonial Viper from the old 70s BSG. I think maybe you confused it wit the later Missile Boat from the TIE Fighter game which was like using cheat codes for unlimited ammo and double speed. Looked even stranger and more delicate.
Some aspects of these sort of ships are pretty reasonable to get angry or disappointed at. Plus with little comedy put into this video makes this much more entertaining to watch. Thus far, a great video explaining the downsides to these ships.
So, I'll going to give.this series a sort of challenge. Certainly giving you a ship that'll be especially tough to give your own hate to belonging in the star wars universe. Basically. . .
Dark Empire's World Devastators
Tough to hate? I remember them from rogue squadron. And I never was a big fan of the design, but honestly idk what would be better for their function. It's not tough to hate but it's tough to criticize fairly.
The Tie: Raptor looks like someone started doodling a Tie fighter while watching a scene in Babylon 5 involving the Starfury fighters, finally noticed what was being drawn and just stopped.
NGL the Victory II Frigate is one of my favorite imperial ship designs. The design of it looks really sleek, I actually kind of like those gun towers, kind of makes it look like it packs a bit more of a punch. Something I think goes underlooked is the bridge design, and how (aside from the cool factor) it doesn't stick out much like 90% of other 'star destroyer'-like designs.
it looks like a vessel they might print out a ton of for lesser roles in the empire
not as easy to hit from the front
sun crusher actually cracked when he got shot by the death star, not enough to be destroyed, but enough to not be able to survive to another shot.
I’m glad El Weewee made an appearance Eck! (The TIE Raptor)
5:10 I call this ship “The Chocolate Bar 🍫 Ship” whenever I play Battlefront 2
The D-5 is from SWTOR, the bounty hunter class ship I believe.
Yes and it's lovely
Better than the BT-7 Thunderclap.
8:10
The theta class shuttle was basically this in original star wars battlefront 2. It had these missile bays that could oneshot anything that was starfighter or bomber scale whilst also having an instant kill burst cannon. The missile bays were so oppressive that I won several space battles against my friends just by hard locking them into oblivion every time they left the hangar. It had absolutely zero counters. Honestly, I think I would become a major fan of the Xg-1 if the wings tilted down.
I have maybe left like 3 comments in 10 years. This series needs more parts.
I like the Tie Raptor. Feels like a parasite fighter, carried by small Imperial ships without any hangars to give them just a little bit of anti-starfighter defense. Like maybe it slots into escape pod berths. But the Imps never considered starfighters to be a serious threat, which cost them an SSD, numerous ISDs, both Death Stars, and eventually the whole Empire
now this can become a series:
"star wars slander"!
If you look at every single small craft/fighter in Star Wars, you’ll notice almost all of them have some form of wing. Like the star viper, it has the main engine, but in order to be able to rapidly turn it needs the s-foils/wings, to make up for the fact that in only has one thruster. Whereas bigger ships like a mon-calamari cruiser will simply boost or lower power to a couple thrusters. Maybe small crafts/fighters have the engines, but for them to be fast moving and maneuverable like the tie, they need a balancing factor like the wings to be able to make turns and quick maneuvers.
That’s how I always liked to look at it anyways
I literally thought by the title this was in reference to like, Rey + Kylo or something along the lines of "shipping"
Also a good video idea
Luke and Leia would be number 1 in that video
The ship being talked about at 7:47 feels _INCREDIBLY_ No Man's Sky to me.
Like I have found ships in that game that are damn near 1:1 with it in appearance.
I love this series already! 😍
Even if it has ships that I personally like, (assault gunboat was my childhood) I was totally entertained by your valid opinions😆
I think the best looking ship in all of science fiction in my opinion is the Destiny Ascension from Mass Effect. It is such a sweet design. Still don’t know why their bridges are called cockpits though because… Well Mass Effect fans will get that.
I think my favorite ships were the Cerberus Cruisers, like an angrier alliance vessel but not where it screams "Look at how evil I am!"
The Cerberus cruisers are nice. It’s a shame they are only briefly shown in the third game. Mass Effect has some good ship designs though all around.
I really wish we actually got see that ship do something, just one ship getting absolutely annihilated by it would have made me so happy.
I seem to remember the assault gunboat being described in the EGtVV as a product of the Empires military industrial complex, and Cygnus trying to come up with something to lure profits away from Sienar and their TIE line.
Man hates the ATPT
always so eloquent, but here completely unleashed, love it XD would watch more of these
I can't wait for more of this
That destroying the Victory II class Frigate is some sort of a boon to me rather than a mission
Imagine falling in a Xyston’s huge toilet. 😢
7:26 I was gonna let the Sun Crusher slide since you made a fair point, but messing with the Gunboat, OH NO YOU DON'T
I've come to really like the scythe.
It's fair to say the concentrated firepower is a weakness but that could also be due to doctrine. The mc 140 has massive engines too so I assume it functions kind of like an eldar ship from battlefleet gothic, doing boom and zoom attacks concentrating all fire power on key points of the enemy.
Wookie also mentions a cross of fire mode that MetaNerdz assumed it ment a component beam laser like the on the blade wing in rebels. If that's the case it could be a justification for the configuration in order to fire in such a way.
The scythe was also standardised and mass produced, and it's weaponry is ratted as batteries, not individual turrets. This could mean each battery is itself a module that either allows some degree of customization or helps streamline construction.
So the way I see the ship working considering its hyperdrive us that it'd pop into a system in a battle group of 3 with some escorts. The main ships make their run on the target and the escorts engage the scattered enemy while the other ships reposition for another pass and then pop out of need be. Alternatively they could also be used as long range "sniper vessels" leaving most of the brawling to the small ships and fighter wings.
That WW2 landing craft actually has military use on both theatres of WWII. During June 6th 1944 on Normandy and 1945 on Iwo Jima and Okinawa
I would love to see a part 2 of this on Star Wars or other sci-fi ship or one on walker and vehicle
"It looks like a harmonica" best line I've heard today
Hey Eck, you should discuss the horrors of the Dark Side. Or you can discuss the horrors of time travel.
>the horrors of the dark side
you're going to need to be WAY more specific
@@dsdy1205 there are Dark Side entities that were either created by the Sith or they are an embodiment of the Dark Side.
@@joannsmith8034 😑
Was enjoying the roasting and had the misfortune of taking a sip right when you said, "This thing looks like a harmonica." That's some instant classic r/rareinsults right there
Noooo not my sun crusher. I know it looks like an ice cream cone, but it is so comically overpowered that I love it. "Hey there's a star destroyer in front of us, we should go around it." *Sun crusher goes zoom* "Nah, we're goin through it."
Love the idea of this series! More plz! And Justin…you hit it right on the head. The sun crusher… 🤢 Terrible design, terrible concept. Even as a kid reading the books for the first time, I absolutely hated the sun crusher.
Agreed, not in my head canon
World Devastators would make a nice addition to a future sequel video. The best the Dark Empire could come up with was....legged boxes?
2:20 The Scythe-class ships looks really cool and badass to be honest
I think the scythe would have been great with regular guns on it's flanks and some very heavy weapons that take some time to recharge on the front.
It does look cool, but the gun setup is absurd
Some of these are hot takes haha. But I absolutely agree with you on the Sun Crusher; I've never thought it fit in the Star Wars hierarchy of vehicles.
Plus it’s essentially a Mary Sue starship
I love this video, I wonder your honest thoughts on most of the legends republic fighters, I always didn't mind the K or E wing...I also don't remember alot of star wars ships so I'm just curious what other ships will pop up
I hate how the cockpit officially opens on the E-wing, it opens like an X-wing canopy requiring the partial disassembly of the top blaster instead of the much simpler design of opening like the canopy of an N-1 Naboo starfighter.
I'm sorry but what about the tie crawler XD. It's like the Empire had a stroke when designing a tank. A spaceship with massive tracks. And a cannon firing straight. I can't imagine being killed by it
Yep you irritated me by mentioning the Cygnus Spaceworks XG1 Starwing...Cygnus Spaceworks was renowned for producing the Lamda class shuttle so I could see where the design flow went but yes it does not look very Star Warsy... better than its daughter- the Missile boat which I just hate for its OVERPOWERED capital ship killing ability. One vs an ISD - unlikely... in fact anything above a Neb B subsystems killer is ludicrous
Only the cockpit looks arguably unstarwarsy and only because it's a bit too X-Wing when it should look more Lambda.
Used as a ship, original KOTOR 1 Basalisk War Droid the ancient Mandalorians rode like prawns into battle in space or upon unsuspecting worlds in the rim
Love these recent vids of yours. Letting the hate flow through you while knowing it isnt mean spirited and all in good fun. More of these!
I head canoned that TIE fighters wings were cheap physical shields to prevent damage from fire that is to the side and dual purpose as landing gear. The Empire viewed humans as much more expendable so all they get is a laser with an engine.
I'm kinda curious as to if the Ebon Hawk is gonna show up in this series.
Ah yes, the discount Millenium Falcon
I had entirely forgotten about the Suncrusher. I really enjoyed a lot of the EU books but Kyp Durron and the Suncrusher were some of the bits where even 10 year old me went "...this is kinda too much, ain't it?"
I get that Assault Gunboats don't fit the Imperial aesthetic, but to me they're indelibly linked to the Empire because I played X Wing Alliance obsessively back in the day. The Empire would definitely be much more dangerous if they'd invested more in them and their advanced next-gen TIE programmes. Luckily for the Rebellion, the Empire was run by cheapskates.
EDIT: Oh, you noted the Gunboats looked similar to the Lambda shuttles? It's 'cause they're made by the same company. So really, they aren't such an aesthetic deviation.
I feel like they were added to X-Wing/Tie Fighter so the Empire could have star fighters that had Ion cannons so they could write campaigns where both sides could disable capital ships lol. It does feel somewhat out of place amongst TIE fighters though.
Love the TIE Advanced X1 in X Wing Vs Tie Fighter though, most lethal fighter in the game IMHO.
2:07 I just imagine First Order officer clowns falling into the toilets trying to take a dump on Exegol
Dont touch my boy the B-wing
Please, make a series of this my man, I love everything about this
One thing that ALWAYS bothers me about space fighters, especially ones that are unusual in shape, size, configuration, or have to do some kind of weird origami just to land... Those things would be an absolute bitch to try to land in ANY bay. Bays are supposed to be general sized, and able to accomodate ships of 'any' design. But looking at that stupid Resistance lander harmonica, I keep thinking "This thing takes up the space of like, 3 small star fighters. If they just rotated the entire body and cockpit so it was a flying TUBE, maybe it could land normally like the First Order drop ships (honestly I love that design) instead of taking up three parking spaces."
My concern also extends to TIE fighters. Those solar wing things, unless they condense and collapse when not in use so the thing can deploy landing struts, they either need to land ON the edges of the wings (which would have to support all that weight, and the cockpit could be 20 feet off the ground at that point), or they'd need a special armature/docking clamp just to hold the bloody things, like a B5 Starfury. And you would HAVE to have those clamps to land it. They take up space that could be better used to say, have smaller bays that hold fighters that can sit on their own struts and aren't 80 feet tall from base-of-sail to tip.
Some designs I like. Others I condemn so fast. Especially when it's a design thrown together to fill a hole in 'we need a new looking ship'. or 'we want to market a new toy, and this is the design we came up with'.
See, I like fighter designs that fold up for a smaller landing profile, and this is a big reason. Like, the B-wing's foils folding in, makes it a little easier for it to fit in a crowded or narrow bay.
I used to hate the Victory-II Frigate as well. But having played Thrawn's Revenge they've made the ship's model look a LOT better than it did in Battlefront II and the ship is actually kinda powerful for it's weight class, it's like an Arquitens on steroids. It was made to escort the Imperial class and does it pretty well.
Also, side-note, TIE's make a bit more sense if you assume the wings are radiators.
I'd be quite interested in seeing a video that you devote entirely to the various Uglies. X-Tie, Y-Tie, Z-Ceptor, etc etc, and critiquing/analyzing/mocking them in the same way you did here. Mind you they all did have a purpose, but...some of them just LOOK like really bad asset-smashes that someone did without thinking about how it'd actually work.
I love the Uglies. Perhaps not every combo, but the concept itself falls right in line w/ George's concept of a "lived in world" as well as his well known love of the custom car culture. When SW was introduced in the late 70's it was common to see custom car "blends" such as throwing a Rolls grille on a VW, a pickup bed on a 'Vette, or a Chevy small block in a Ford roadster... real world Uglies (depending on taste, of course)
🤣 "took time out of my busy day" 🔥 strong the sass in this one is yes
I actually agree with you on everything except the XG-1. Which is canon BTW, though only in name. It hasn’t visually shown up or described in text, only mentioned
The hey is the “XG-1???”
XG-1 always felt like it was supposed to be somewhat outside of the Imperial design philosophy, even in-universe.
@@nickter745thebold8 The Cyngus Spaceworks Alpha-class Xg-1 Star Wing Assault Gunboat.
@@DIEGhostfish "Alpha-class" "xg-1" "star wing" why does this thing have 3 different names lmao
@@DIEGhostfish in the TIE fighter game lore it was supposed to be a relatively new design at the time of the Battle of Yavin but I think it works better as an older design, an attempt to replace the Y-wing and ARC-170 that somehow kept its utility well into the TIE series domination of Imperial star fighter doctrine. It outclassed the Bomber but was itself outclassed by the Avenger and Defender.
I love the Gunboat, it was so fun trying to squeeze enough speed out if it in order to stay relevant in the later missions.
I never really thought about it, but I can see your point. The assault gunboat really COULD be at home in many other shows. I'm still a fan, since it was the first ship you got in Tie Fighter that natively got shields, but I can agree to disagree. :)
Thoroughly enjoyed the vid! I hope you continue this as a series!
I know this is a weird question, but is the immense sizes of Star Wars capital ships scientifically accurate, or do they need to go smaller?
I've seen some claims the ISD 1s and ISD 2s are about the upper limit of "kinda plausible" ship sizes.
That said, Star Wars doesn't go anywhere near as insane with ship size than 40K does, and I think both versions of Battlestar Galactica were in about the same size region as most of Star Wars
@@TheAchilles26 I don’t know anything about Warhammer 40k, and I’ve seen the Battlestar ships
@@TheAchilles26 I would argue that the super star destroyers rival the size of the imperium ships of 40k and with the command ones even larger than some of those ships.
To roughly quote a sci-fi joke,
"imagine having wings... in space"
7:54 it looks like a really blocky prototype of a VF fighter from Macross that got filtered out due to being too blocky
in fairness to the suncrusher, the book descriptions made it seem more like an arrow than that ugly nail (can't seem to find that supposed Torus-shaped torpedo bay, like the one on the cover of that book has), and it wasn't the ship that destroyed solar systems, the stars of the systems did that. as shown when he tried to blast the death star prototype, the torpedo just popped in there like a firecracker because there is in fact a difference between a death star's core and the burning heart of a star.
"Does it really need wings if it's a space ship?"
Yes. Because they're meant to also fly in atmosphere and without there it would be just a hunk of metal hurling towards the ground.
Something to point out for a future video, the MTT in the clone wars could only carry about 16 droid while the phantom menace one could hold 64 droids
From a tactical standpoint, the TIE Raptor is pretty great to pilot compared to normal TIEs. The thing has to be so small that it'd be near impossible to hit with non-homing weapons.
First thing I thought of when you named the Sun Crusher was reading that trilogy as a teen and really hating Kyp Durron's Wangst.
Honestly the TIE Raptor is a pretty good design. It has a much smaller profile, is still fast and fairly heavily armed. It requires far less material to manufacture and still relies on the tried and true TIE controls so it's easy to train on.
The Scythe weapons style would also make sense if it was a Blockade runner type of ship, but its a Massive ship and as far as I know, not overly fast.
Ha! I'm an Assault Gunboat lover from playing the X-Wing series. But like any ship in those games the affection comes from having survived impossible missions in one. It's informative to hear that they don't feel like a good fit anymore to other Star Wars fans. Maybe the ARC-170 now fills its role.
The scythe would be a cool blockade runner if it had some weapons on the stern to provide rear-supressing fire for trailing ships, or fending off any trailing ships. Also the weapons on the bow should be able to make some angle adjustments.
Not usually a fan of more negative content, I think that it can really quickly lead to a spiral of blind saltiness were everythng gets hated on for not being what's familiar. That said, I actually really enjoyed this video; you explained your issue with each ship in a clear, concise, and amusing way, and made sure go mention when there was an aspect of the design you liked, or thought could be improved. I'd definitely like to see more of these. Even when you're being negative, you're still more positive than a lot of youtubers.
I really hope there’s more than one part! I love all your Star Wars videos, but especially these ones!
Seeing ‘goofy fuck’ on the thumbnail of an Eckhart’s ladder video has made my day
'D5 Mantis' looks like a Homeworld reject design.
I like something in it, but it went wrong somewhere along the way.
8:36 This craft would fit well in StarCom cartoon series(I wonder how many old enough to remember that cartoon?). The canopy design resemble to Starmax canopy design.
Rogue Shadow: Has an Engine only on the Right side of the Ship. Perpetually turning Left like a Nascar Driver.
The D5 Mantis is the Bounty Hunter ship in Star Wars The Old Republic (as in your ship if you are any variant of Bounty Hunter). They obviously tried to do the 'strange but cool' thing that Slave 1 had going for it, but completely missed the mark.
Never seen the Sun Crusher or whatever it's called. My FIRST impression was one of those, often novelty table lighters that your parents or grandparents had. It's even got the striker and wick on the top.
The Rogue Shadow's cockpit was designed so that every cool space battle looks like an album cover
The Lamda shuttle does look cool. But anyone who has played any Star Wars game that has it can tell you, Vader and Palpatine would never want to get inside one. It's like shooting tissue paper, it's so fragile. And in Tie Fighter, you have a mission where you need to protect the Emperor in one of those. Not only protect him, but also protect another shuttle that comes and picks him up. I actually had the thing blow up because the other shuttle bumped it while docking. They're THAT fragile.
And I totally agree. The Sun Crusher is the dumbest idea ever.