The AMAZING Carrier the Empire Designed (then Ignored)
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Today we'll take a look at the Ton Falk - an awesome carrier from Star Wars legends, designed by the Empire, but ultimately ignored in favor of more of the same.
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Thumbnail model by Fractal Sponge, gameplay via the Thrawn's Revenge mod for Empire at War. Links to both can be found in the description.
Hey EckhartsLadder, can you please make a video about what if Abeloth escaped during the clone wars?
Hey Ecks, Amazing video and your right about the ship it's literally an missed chance for the Empire to have them in their fleets. Also can you do an breakdown for Victory ll class frigate from EaW and the old Battlefront 2?
the Empire did not ignore carriers.... star destroyer carried 72 fighters.
problem was poor fighters and an attrition/replacement mindset
Ever played the Roblox Project Stardust cause it has all New Republic, Empire, Republic, Restitance, and Rebels captains ships and not the super weapons or no Super Star Destroyer
I reckon you should do a video on the Tartan Patrol Cruiser.
Every time I play Empire at War AOTR as the Imps, I have a rule that for every ISD I build, I build one Ton Falk and a Lancer, and that ISD goes nowhere without those two in tow. Works quite well, and I think it would have in lore as well.
My go-to small fleet is 1 ISD, 4 Lancers in front to screen, 3 TF in the back to bring in fighters, 3 Victory ISD.
based and falk pilled.
oooo I go full imp usually with either 1 ISD flanked by arqentins or The classic 3 isd formation
I do like the Falk not actually having a hangar slot so as long as it's got any HP on any of its hardpoints it can spawn fighters.
Commander Cody, Execute Order 66
It may be an ugly brick of a ship but you can't argue with a wing of star fighters and full load of missiles. If this could be equipped with diamond boron missiles it would be a truly deadly threat to starfighters as those kind of missiles can make entire squadrons of fighters just disappear
Well you have to differentiate game mechanics from lore. The diamond boron missiles from EaW seemed a little too game-y to me.
@T KC couldn't agree more. If missiles were the superior weapon for combat why would anyone use lasers or smaller star fighters? Just get freighter or larger craft and field a fleet like a traditional Navy, using corvettes and destroyers as the smallest unit. Fighters and Bombers only make sense if you don't have massive cluster munitions that can make entire squadrons null and void in seconds. Even the Lancer had its limits since lasers had limited range and precision. A Lancer with mass missiles of that variety would render all fighters worthless.
@@idleishde6124 it kind of DID nullify starfighters but it was very expensive...
Star Wars is not very technologically realistic.
It kind of looks like someone chopped the head off of a Colonial Battlestar.
I keep hearing about this Tarkin Doctrine and how it affects Imperial ship design and Rebel tactics, and it’s clear to me now that Tarkin’s military philosophy and its inflexibility cost his Empire the war.
amongst other factors, yes
The problem was that Tarkin's plans appealed to the Emperor, and it didn't matter what anyone else said because it was an autocracy.
But yes, the Tarkin Doctrine wrecked the Empire because it kept them focused on ships that would intimidate rather than ships that would get the job done efficiently.
It stunted the first order too. Their answer to everything was still throwing capital ships at what were largely not capital ship problems.
Tarkin was as much a political leader as a military one, so he was a "big picture" kinda general. His concern was suppressing an increasingly angry galactic populace as the empire steamrolled over system after system. A military solution for a political matter, his doctrine was very effective in its intended role. Inevitably though, wearing two hats meant he was no longer focused purely on military matters and this cost them in the long run.
Fun fact: In Empire at War, Tarkin doesn't allow you to retreat as "Retreat is not a viable option"
@@LTButtstrong unless it's intended role was to recruit fighters for the alliance & burn redources, the Tarkin Doctrine was a complete failure.
Every exercise of it led to more weapons,
funds & volunteers to the Alliance. It is the reason there even was an Alliance instead of dozens of smaller isolate rebellions trap on their own worlds
This ship actually exists in Canon as well in Legends. The escort carrier Goliath in the Tarkin novel matches the Ton Falk's description exactly.
But the completely different NuCanon Quasar fire sees to have pretty much replaced them.
It was made for Star Wars Rebellion as the Empire Carrier to counter the Quasar Fire class.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 Pretty sure it existed way back.into West En# Games but may be wromg
@@DIEGhostfish It exists at least as far back as TIE Fighter, and I believe they took it from the WEG Imperial handbook (though I'm not 100% sure on which came first).
@@DIEGhostfish I never liked the Quasar. Always thought it looked like a baseball diamond glued to a shoebox. Ton Falk is much superior aesthetically.
This ship would actually have been very useful to the rebels as a mobile base.
It could stay safe out in the void while its fighters performed hit and run operations. Rebel fighters had hyperdrives but that doesn't mean it was pleasant to travel long distances in them.
They did capture one with the same purpose but designed a whole better in the Rebels show
@@nikolaisikes6245 That was the Light Carrier, based on the ship from Truce at Bakura
@@nikolaisikes6245 quasar class carrier. It's a great light carrier but the Ton Falk would be able to carry far more fighters
@@nikolaisikes6245 Bollocks. The Quasar that they pushed into Rebels was a freighter repurposed as Carrier... meanwhile rebels went "Lol. Triangle. It's an imperial ship lol!"
@@undertakernumberone1 that's the legends version which was exclusively used by the rebellion due to availability and being made by a friendly company
I love them in Thrawn's Revenge. Back then they alongside Strike Cruisers made up the bulk of my small raiding fleets, also I used them as escort for my planetary invasion fleet so it can independently attack lightly defended planets while my main fleet hunted down the toughest enemies.
Good time
Yeah. Good time
I have a deep fondness for the Imperial Escort Carrier. The first time I saw it in action was in the demo mission in TIE Fighter where you escort TIE Advanced fighters from an escort carrier to your fleet's flagship. It was the first Imperial starship I saw that wasn't a Star Destroyer variant and has always stuck in my mind since then. Gotta love this flying box.
This one isn't the IEC, though that ship is cool too. IECs are smaller and shaped a bit like arrows
This definitely needs to be introduced back into canon!! Would like to see the ships from Battlestar Galactica or Legend of the Galactic Heroes be analyzed.
It is canon my dude. It appears in Tarkin!!
why would disney make the empire an actual threat now?
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 Not Applicable, it already is canon
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 oh ok. Thanks for letting me know!! 👍
They gave them Quasars en masse, that are just like third of Ton Falk. :P
Kinda neat to non-combat oriented ships in the Empire.
You’d need ships for many different things.
@@treystephens6166 indeed
Big ol’ nugget carrier
EXACTLY! This random background redshirt carrier from the computer games made just too much common sense. See that big Imperial Star Destroyer with all those turbo lasers and a crew of 17,000 but only 72 fighters? Here’s a few big flying hangar bays with room for hundreds more!
17000? more like 37000. They where horribly inefficient
Yeah. The Nebulas were a similar size as the ISDs but had automation for a lot of the ship functions, reducing crew requirements and logistics burden.
@@wilkor-lc7ox Jeez I forgot
@@JohnNathanShopper no problem could of just get mix up with dreadnought cruiser or some thing. It's just that 20k is a lot more logistical burden
Hunderds? From my memory it had same capacity as ISD and probably less spares.
Imperial designer: "I designed this amazing Imperial Carrier design its gonna help so many people!"
Imperial engineer: "Hey! We just got some pizza! Hurry before all the slices are gone!"
Imperial designer: "Oh my favorite! I'll just leave my plans here and submit the designs after I get a slice."
Rebel Spy: "I'mma just... borrow this..."
You're doing ship-related videos again? AWESOME!!!! How about:
• Nebula-class Star Destroyer versus MC90 Star Cruiser,
• Peltast-class (Empire of The Hand) versus Aggressor-class (Zann Consortium),
• Harrower-class versus Victory-Class (Either 1, or 2, but not both),
• TIE Punisher versus K-wing,
• TIE Fighter versus Vulture Droid,
• LAAT/I Gunship versus HMP Gunship,
• TIE Defender versus Yuuzhan Vong Coralskipper (Knowing just how hard to kill a coralskipper is, so, I would like another hard-to-kill Starfighter unit to fight it out, and see who comes out on top, and I also would like to see more Yuuzhan Vong involvement in ship versus videos in the near future, along with other lore that relates to them),
• UNSC Infinity versus an Eclipse-Class SSD,
• UNSC Infinity versus Viscount-class Star Defender,
• And, finally, as a joke recommendation, CR90 versus an Executor-Class SSD, or an Eclipse-class SSD (Again, joke recommendation, maybe save it for April Fools Day, or something).
2:39 OOHH! I just remembered, how about a Lancer-Class (Empire) versus a Crusader-Class (Zann Consortium) versus video, please?
1.Mc90 wins
2.Peltast wins (chiss)
3.Tie fighter vs Vulture is very intresting based how Tie is successor of V wings and how V wings are successful against Droid starfighters
4.Tie defender wins (books )
5.Usnc infinity definitely destroys the Eclipse no matter what , Ranged Combat as main and the Super Mac Mk8 cracking open New Holes\hangers on Covenant Super carriers and that Forunner Dreadnought and it's Compliment of space bombers \fighters and 10 MAC frigates and Best Spartans . Not After a whole war with the Covenant Fought with Thier Ships at long range firing Sniper Macs ,No way they are Gonna See a Huge Ass Black Alien Ship with a Giant Axe at front and Decide to go into Kissing range . Same with Viscount but Starfighter superiority is Reversed , So maybe Infinity destroys Viscount and Star fighters destroy Infinity I guess?
And Haven't you seen a CR90 full of raw explosive Rhidonium yeeted at a super Star destroyers yet ?
ua-cam.com/video/moBrxeaS2So/v-deo.html
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 First, you forgot about "TIE Punisher vs. K-Wing", "LAAT/I vs. HMP Gunship", and "Lancer-Class vs. Crusader-Class".
Second, where could I find a video of a CR90 fattened up with Rydonium blowing up an Executor SSD? I would love to see that.
@@amysargent4237 second , this is the link for echartsladders video of a CR90 full of explosives yeeted at a Super star destroyer
ua-cam.com/video/moBrxeaS2So/v-deo.html
First , Tie ounsher vs k wing , K wing is just too much fire power that the Rebel Alliance removed thier hyper drive and they also have that Engine boost , I think KWing
LAAT vs HMP , Laat is a dropship\transport first gunship second and HMP is Gunship first drop ship second it's like a 60%40% and 40%60% think , so I think HMP droid gunship , also By end of war , HMPs carried commando Droids and Jetpack super battle droids , Laats usually carried troopers or Arcs , Clone commandos mostly used Eta or Nu Shuttles , And Lancer is Frigate sized ship very specialized to intercept star fighters and crusader is a corvette so yes
KWing
Hmp
Lancer
#AskEck How much memory does R2-D2 have since he remembers over 60 years and has the archives of the Empire and the tactics used in most of the major battles of the Clone Wars.
He had extra Hard Drive slots installed.
@@casbot71 R2 seems to be carrying more information in him then is currently on the Internet so those hard drives have to have a lot on them
one of the now non-canon books explains that R2 keeps a bunch of back ups and extra info/junk on various other droids memory banks, so by the time of the new Republic wiping him is basically an useless and entirely too complicated way of getting on his bad side
@@casbot71 The denizens of the Star Wars Galaxy figured out how to build moon-sized battle stations, planet spanning shields, and fleets of massive spaceships that can travel at the speed of light. Who is to say that they didn’t also develop a way to store massive amounts of data in something as small as a flash drive? Go back 20 years and the flash drives of then pale in comparison to the ones today in term of storage capacity.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I think it was one of the thrawn trilogy books? Basically R2 would fill up a Gonk's extra memory banks with backups of basically his whole personality and then redownload them after getting wiped
I love having a bunch of these in EaW, with their ability to jump out of battle, they jump in drop their star fighters and bombers, jump out and then the next wave comes in and I have a fleet of fighters capable of handling anything the Rebels have and at least one interdictor to keep the rebels around!
By the way, would love to see more Empire at War tactics/strategies like the ones you did previously like “Thrawns Pincer” and so forth
"She may not look like much but she's got it where it counts kid"
This is starting to step on the toes of previously established lore. It was my understanding that hyperdrives are somewhat imprecise in their exit points. This is why the Thrawn Pincher maneuver was so devastating. The tactic offered precision placement of your assets where you otherwise wouldn't achieve it.
As usual, Fractal Sponge does stunning work. Glad you get to feature his art so often.
Can we get a full breakdown of the ladder formation?
My favorite videos of yours in the past have been the ones that answer questions like "Why couldn't the CIS secede?", "Why does tech advance so slowly?", "Why don't droids have rights?", etc. Would love to see more of that kind of content in the future!
The CIS trying to secede was the whole point of the war. The Republic got huffy at the idea of planets becoming independent
Ton Falk is an underrated carrier that deserved more love and respect.
Egg?
This is easily my favourite type of video that you make, I'd love to see similar videos on other ships like the Strike Cruiser, Vindicator, Carrack, etc
Keep an eye open
@@EckhartsLadder I love that you're reviewing ships from the old West End Games RPG, as I run a campaign using that system. Our heroes are currently partway through the "Scavenger Hunt" mission, and it really FEELS like Star Wars!
the Empire did not ignore carriers.... star destroyer carried 72 fighters.
problem was poor fighters and an attrition/replacement mindset
The sad part is the Empire did have good starfighters but refused to use them
72 fighters in a ship the size of an ISD is pitiful. Venators could carry nearly 3 times that when fully loaded.
@@Mildcat743 the trick there is that most vens never even got close to being fully loaded during the clone wars
@@Mildcat743 Hey, it wasn't less than were needed. The Empire could easily outnumber a rebel battle group ten to one. Perhaps it is a pitiful amount, but considering the wars they were fighting? It was almost TOO much! If they'd had that number of actual quality fighters, they could likely have won the war.
@@Mildcat743 Venator capacity is vastly overtated it's supposed to be 192 V-Wings OR 192 Eta-2s.
Fractal Sponge makes great ship models I really like the Intersector class sloop it looks like if the Imperial navy made a YT model ship
Any carrier is good for the Rebels, you can see how effective "Midway" style engagements were in the flight sims. With capital ships never seeing each other directly.
I always kept a few of these in my Imperial fleets in Star Wars Rebellion... The Rebel scum never stood a chance!
Ship content, be it Star Wars or 40k, is my favorite form of videos on this channel. It's a fairly niche thing you do, and it's what drew me into this channel years ago. Thanks for the amazing quality content!
Actually noticed this in the FoC Campaign remake mod. It jumps in, deploys fighters and jumps out, instead of just calling in fighters like you normally would
In the Awakening of the Rebellion mod you can build them with several different fighter complements (basic tie fighters and bombers, avengers and interceptors, XG-1 and brute and punishers, etc). They're nice.
i love this thing, it's like a hanger with engines (and really satisfying to use in Empire At War: Awakening The Rebellion)
I used to play, "Sins of a Galactic Empire", a mod for, "Sins of a Solar Empire". It has these carriers, and were one of my favorite ships to build.
I would love for a video on capital ship customization. Especially on the providence since that ship is said to be extremely adaptable and highly customizable
In my legends story our back water Moff has tons of these they also become more useful in another way
1 Removing the fighter carrying capacity
2 fitting it with proton and concussion launchers
Glad to see my favorite ship from legends covered! Hope to see the Ton Falk introduced back into canon, although since the Quasars have been reintroduced in that role it's probably a slim chance at best.
I'm fairly sure it is mentioned on one of the canon books as an "Imperial Escort Carrier". I distinctly remember the wiki incorrectly attributing that appearance to the Imperial Escort Carrier (from Rogue Squadron 3)
@@needude7218 it's hard to say since there's a ship actually named the Imperial Escort Carrier.
Empire at War mods like TR and AotR have Ton-Falks though, and that's good enough for me.
this is a ship i would use in my fantasy imperial fleet
No offense Justin but I Still go for the Venator. And sorry Imperial dogs
Rebels seeing that Imperial Carrier: "It's a free real estate."
Yeah, pretty much every ship the Imperials didn't want, they'd grab.
I kinda want fractal to make a battleship varient the venator by replacing the top hanger with more weapons emplacements it will be a similar look but more firepower
The issue with though is that the Venator doesn't have the armor or the shields to go toe to toe with a similar ship without its fighter escort. That's why the main battery is a set of extremely large and long range cannons. It can support the fighters with heavy artillery fire but it really does not have stuff for close in knife fighting.
I, uh, think you just described an ISD.
That would be a Victory class stardestroyers in a Venator halloween costume . Which would appear to open its Zip(hanger doors) to show it's stick (guns) instead of a Gap (starfighters hanger space)
They just pulled the hangar bay out of an ISD and slapped engines on it.
Video idea. One of my favorite things in Star Trek is the refits of ships to make them meet evolving situations. These refits can be smaller or quite extensive, sometimes so extensive it’s hard to call them refits cause the ship is so much larger and more advanced.
With that in mind, a series on how you refit Star Wars ships from fighters to capital ships would be a fun series.
The Escort Carrier's a wonderfully simple ship, its basically a hanger surrounded by crew quarters and other facilities, a few mess halls, a powerplant and some engines and then some armour plating and guns. As a ship, its probably like the WW2 escort carriers or CVE's to give them their official name, or Combustable, Vulnerable, Expendable as their crews referred to them. But if the Imperial Navy had a brain and paired like 1 of these and say 4 - 6 Lancers with every pair of ISD's, you'd have a very nasty combination. Wonderful video as always.
I love when I find out new ships like this from you, thank you!
Video idea: Did Palpatine have the capability and knowledge to build his own starforge?
This was a good one to do man. It’s in a lot of the empire of war mods and I’d never seen or heard of it before but I used it lot.
72 starfighters seems small when a ww2 carrier had up to 90 fighters on board and was a fraction of the size.
Kinda irrelevant when you don't have to make your own atmosphere
WW2 carriers did not have to worry about the enormous power sources needed for weapons and shields. I know that carriers had massive citadel spaces for engines, fuel, etc, but the power for shields in star wars and durasteel armor is not comparable to the power that WW2 era ships would need for engines. Additionally, an ISD is closer to a battleship, meaning that even more of its space is dedicated to the massive engines and armor. It would be better to compare the ISD to the Ise class battlecarriers of the Japanese navy in WWII, not dedicated carriers like the Yorktown class. These, like the ISD, were battleships first with a small aircraft compliment. These ships could hardly hold 5 planes, and their numbers were thus low in fighter compliment just like an ISD because most of their space was dedicated to armor and weaponry. So, accounting for the size and energy demands of a star destroyer, 76 is a very good number.
72 was the size of a Wing at least in the old rpg. A star destroyer was also supposed to have the same number. As a kid I was fascinated reading those rule/lore books. I imagined it as the standard imperial docking bay with a box around it.
EDIT: the reason I am comparing the carriers to the star destroyer is because the ship that eck is discussing was mostly likely just the ISD's docking bay, as Lynch said.
@@fightingdreamer123 none of that matters anymore Disney doesn’t care. I’m not sure if George Lucas ever cared either.
I love seeing what the auto-generated subtitles do in their attempt to spell Ton Falk.
Maybe not a deep dive but a more light episode on illegal modifications on ships, millennium falcon for example. Or the ship Luke used to find his new jedi recruits
I would love to see a series of videos that had your “perfect fleet” from each faction say then the final one where your able to pick and choose from all factions. Would love to see that, and a shoutout wouldn’t kill ya 😉
“Imperial,” “Star Destroyer,” and “fetish” are four words I never expected to be combined in that way.
I remember these things in old games - one of there main strengths was that with a low poly count it looks very like an astroid.
i always thought it was odd that the empire didnt have more simple pure carriers similar to our own naval carriers. i mean if you didnt use your main heavy weapon in heavy star destroyers as your only source of carriers in most battle engagements you could place your starfighters at far more strategic positions in the battle. not to mention, in the novels, how many times do we see the empire release their fighters from their star destroyers, since they dont have hypdrives either, and it takes them 5 to 8 minutes for the ties to get to the rebels from the destroyers. you could also free space up on the destroyer if they werent the only source of starfighter in the battle group. i loved this video eck. these are the kinds of videos that make me like your channel because youre looking at the strategic purpose of specific ships rather than just simply how cool they look or how much damage they can do.
also, tapcaf transmissions is my favorite podcast. i spend a lot of time driving for work and i listen to it almos daily in the car
Yes...a video on the Ton-Falk
The Ton Falk carrier would still be very useful to the rebels, even with hyperdrive equipped starfighters.
Hyperspace travel time does not come up much in canon, but if you have to sit in a fighter for 10 hours until you get to the fight) you’re not going to be at your best when you get there. Ton Falk’s could ferry fighters up to a short jump or two away from the target, launch fighters, then move to rendezvous location another short jump or two away.
This way your pilots would be fresh and ready for action. Depending on the amenities of the Ton Falk.
So maybe the Rebels used Ton Falks a lot, but you never see them in the front lines.
Though admittedly, the rebels had a tendency to go “all in” and throw everything with a mounted gun into a battle.
Something i would be interested in would be an full ebon hawk breakdown and history video
The Ton Falk has that uniquely-powerful computer for replacing a busted nav computer on a PC's ship - making it such a good target to craftily sneak onto, loot, set the timers on the detonators, and flee from. It was a good target for the Rebellion in roleplay games, because the Empire just didn't value it properly - it wasn't guarded like it should have been, and there just weren't enough of them, so launching a mission to slag the escort carrier in a support location before the main attack went down would take all those 72 fighters out of that important fight (or at least not leave them in a position to respond in strength.)
So nice to see it here.
I love the vindicator. So I like the idea of you making a review of it some time in the future
When I saw the thumbnail I immediately thought this ship was just a large clunky aft section of a Dreadnaught, I’m glad you included one in the background for comparison
Imagine if - ISDs had an adequate number of point defense lasers and missiles, placed around the vessel to cover all angles.
Or just have a FULL ( and expanded ) hangar of TIE-Interceptors with shield upgrade.
The whole idea that Empire needed carriers is IMHO stupid.
They already had them - ISDs, all they needed is actually using them properly, and replace useless TIEs.
And move all ground stuff (troops and vehicles) to Acclamators.
@@Arthur_Revan Acclamators can also be used as carriers, they could theoretically carry ~190 TIE fighters only on it's LAAT racks. But the main advantage of the Acclamator is its hyperdive (class 0.6), it's one of the fastest ships period. This means that one Acclamator can cower lots of space and be at moments notice, it would arrive muuch faster then the ISD, and if you're not fighting capital ships why pay more?
Thus, I believe, Acclamators would be best ships for police and peacekeeping duties (that empire actually requires). And if it faces something too powerful (even accounting for it's huge fighter complement), it could call ISD for reinforcement.
I’ve always wanted to see a VS matchup between a Munificent class Cruiser and a UNSC destroyer, probably one of the new strident because it has shields.
Both ships focus on heavy forward firepower, so it seems like it would be a good match
You can say that again.
I really enjoy learning about ships like these. Small ones that we rarely hear about. I’d like to hear one on the Tarken cruiser.
Not to mention a ton Faulk could carry repair and support ships too. Have them hang out off site, pop in after ships start getting hit, pop out from the dangerous bits, rinse repeat
I really wish we could know more about the interiors, like deck plans.
I’ve been listening to Timothy Zahns thrawn trilogies and it would be awesome to see what some of the chaos’s alien species look like!!
That's a neat ship! I have a homebrew TIE Ace Squadron I spun together for Age of Rebellion; sort of an Imperial Rogue Squadron, and one thing I had trouble giving them wad a carrier, ad I didn't just want them to rock up in an ISD. I might have to look into this!
I'd love to hear something about Legacy ships, to see how things improved in Legends, over the course of the century plus following RotJ. I'm a big fan of Legacy, so hearing about X-83 Twintails and Predators could be entertaining!
Would love to see more of your re-imaginings of the background ships from the movies
I would love to see a video on ridiculous concepts for ships and/or fighters that got the go ahead and actually turned to be a good idea or effective.
These are in the Rebellion game for the PC. Old game but very cool if you like saving resources and building up a fleet very deliberately. I remember these being really useful because they could carry multiple TIE Fighters.
Looks like a giant grey flying pillow, and palpatine didn't want giant grey flying pillows, he wanted giant grey flying pizzas!!
When your fighters depend on numbers to win, might as well bring dedicated carriers solely meant to bring more to battle.
Strike Cruiser series would make an interesting video. The original Strike, KDY Strike, Interdictor Strike and Gorath Strike show how versatile the design is and it has really good firepower for its size with its turbolasers and concussion missiles. Not only does it have firepower, but it also carries some TIEs and is faster than most frigates. Strike cruiser was used by all sides, which makes it even more interesting and it's actually featured in several books including X-Wing and Thrawn trilogy
the Escort Cruiser would be another nice topic. they look awesome and very different from most stuff in star wars. they were also though as nails in X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter and Alliance!
it even got an interdictor variant.
I'd love, in that way, a collab series between you and Fractal that explores the ships and the design approaches-in universe and his own process.
The Carrack-class light cruiser and the Marauder-class corvette are a couple of my favorite ships and don't get much attention. the Ton Falk-class has also been a favorite of mine for a long time, they were always a key ship in my fleets when playing Star Wars: Rebellion.
I remember playing the game Star Wars: Rebellion, the 1998 PC strategy 4X game, as a game it was a nightmare to issue commands and movements, too much micro management... but passing that steep learning curve, it was decent game, specially playing against a friend, also it was a very long game, I played it a couple of time with my friend and each time took about a weekend, 3 full days of playing non stop... you play as the Rebellion or the Empire, build you fleets, invade planets, do space battles, move the main characters around doing diplomacy, espionage, Jedi Training, it had it all... the AI was a not up to a high standard, it would put up a fight at the begining but by mid game it would fall apart if you attack from multiple directions... I still have fun with it...
I was looking at it and can see one being used as a base for a mining operation after the fall of the Empire, or as a support base of operations/protection/supply & trade depot for new colonies.
I love these things in Star Wars: Rebelion (PC 1998) they let you move a decent amount of firepower for relatively little cost. But they are vulnerable as heck as the rebel fighters can close the distance from the planet to space or from fleet to fleet before all the Ties launch due to the single hangar bay since the rebel fighters come in under their own power and are already battle ready on arrival (as if not having shields wasn't enough of a disadvantage for the ties). Still, with ISDs carrying half as many fighters and the Victory Class Star Destroyers carrying a single squadron, they are invaluable through the entire campaign, unlike nearly every other ship class from the start of the game. In the endgame you can load them up with Tie Defender squadrons, or a mix of Defenders and bombers thus eliminating their biggest shortcoming and making them a very powerful asset to the fleet indeed.
Almost 1 mill congrats!
I appreciate hearing the core community of players output. I once was this game rocks⚡
What I would like to know is how the Ton Falk stacks up against the Quasar as a escort carrier.
Quasar gets fighters out quickly but this has WAY more internal volume. I'd probably prefer the Quasar for hit and runs (big open hangars will help with quick recovery) but the ton falk for extended engagements.
After a quick check, the typical compliment of TIE line starfighters on an ISD from Imperial I class through to the Interdictor class is 72 and the Ton Falk carries 72 TIE line starfighters so it seems to me that their main purpose was probably relegated to that of logistics rather than combat and would make runs from say a planetary based Sector repair station and ISDs to replace down TIEs with operational ones. We see Rebels working on their starfighters like on Hoth and on Yavin, we saw Clones working on fighters on the Republic Venators in the Clone Wars movies and animated series but I can't recall ever seeing imperials working on TIEs, even Maintenance, in any movies or the Rebels animated series which leads me to believe the Ton Falk acted more like a ferry to ferry new TIEs to ISDs and take old, worn out and damaged TIEs to a base to be repaired, fixed up and brought back to specs or scrapped.
I remember playing "Star Wars: Rebellion" as a kid, when the Tong Fog was called the "Galleon class escort carrier". God I feel old now....
I would be really interested by more ships videos !
An idea could be Old Republic ships, maybe we don't have a lot of intel on the tactics I don't know but it could be really interesting !
To know more about the harrower star destroyer and its uses and its ennemies in the Old Republic Navy.
Who remembers Star Wars Rebellion? So many incredible ships from that game that are finally getting the recognition they deserve.
That game was 20 years ahead of its time.
The only time I remember seeing this ship being used in a game was when it delivered advanced TIE fighters as reinforcements. The ship was probably just used to transport replacement fighters and pilots and then returned to bring replacements for the replacements, while the late Imperial doctrine squandered crews and materials.
I'd love to see a full break down and technical specifications break down on ships from the Wing commander universe the kilrathi and the Terran confederation. I love playing the wing commander mod for empire at war
Wouldn’t mind seeing on how factions approached fighter doctrines. Eh how the empire and republic varied in their use of fighters, their roles and how them employed them
I can also see the Tan Falk be used as a micro station in an area for lesser used areas. I think a Rebellion controlled Tan Falk could be an interesting mobile drydock for fighters.
You've done matchups including it, but I'd love to see a stand-alone video on the Harrower-class.
Another ship I'd love to see is the Invincible-class Dreadnought
I'd also love to see the Imperial II-class Frigate, the Guardian-class "light cruiser", the Tartan-class "patrol cruiser", the Pursuit-class light cruiser, and the Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser.
I'd like to see a video on the Harrower class dreadnaught from the old republic.
Maybe a VS video where it fights the Dreadnaught heavy cruiser.
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I remember in the game, TIE Fighter, they were running TIE Defender trials out of an escort carrier, meanwhile, I had to hyperdrive in and out in an TIE Advanced.
Yes, keep this type of content coming BUT with one small addition. While it may seem repetitive to the many captains and rear admirals on here, please give a QUICK rundown on what the ship class means. Don't assume we all know what a capital ship or a corvette is. Otherwise, great stuff, J!
I love your videos Ek keep up the great work, I do have a versus Battle recommendation, the first order mega destroyer versus the Independence Day alien mothership from the newer movie that came out recently a few years ago
That ship looks like the ultimate dream drop carrier for the imperial Army. It looks like it might be one of the few ships able to actually carry and deploy an Army group with all its large ground vehicles with out needing 10 trips to do so. lol. The army and its support ships have long been ignored in a lot of Star Wars references. :(
Figures that the thumbnail was made by Fractal Sponge. He makes some of the best 3d ships on the internet.
USS Saratoga: Space Above and Beyond deep dive and/or a vs with like the Galactica or something! Space Above and Beyond was my favorite show as a kid and it's criminal it didn't get picked up for another season!!
I’d love see some retro Star Wars ship games as a hybrid gameplay/ship lore style block, but recognize that’s a big departure from your norm.
Nothing like an intro to eckhartsladder
I like the vindicator heavy cruisers, perfect ship that the Empire didn't use enough of, with the full TIE wing of course. 6 of those with an Indicator cruiser as a wolf pack U Boat style.
I love my pocket Tectors yes
I like the idea of these for remotely stationed Star Destroyers that can't regularly re supply but are expected to deal with a lot of combat. They can transfer fighters to the Star Destroyer if it loses a large part of its complement, then go get my while the Star Destroyer remains on station with full capacity.
Great vid! You should try a video comparing the tie bomber to the Y wing!
Would love to see some classic vs matchups