Hey Ecks, Amazing video and your right about the ship it's literally an missed chance for the Empire to have them in their fleets. Also can you do an breakdown for Victory ll class frigate from EaW and the old Battlefront 2?
Ever played the Roblox Project Stardust cause it has all New Republic, Empire, Republic, Restitance, and Rebels captains ships and not the super weapons or no Super Star Destroyer
Every time I play Empire at War AOTR as the Imps, I have a rule that for every ISD I build, I build one Ton Falk and a Lancer, and that ISD goes nowhere without those two in tow. Works quite well, and I think it would have in lore as well.
It may be an ugly brick of a ship but you can't argue with a wing of star fighters and full load of missiles. If this could be equipped with diamond boron missiles it would be a truly deadly threat to starfighters as those kind of missiles can make entire squadrons of fighters just disappear
@T KC couldn't agree more. If missiles were the superior weapon for combat why would anyone use lasers or smaller star fighters? Just get freighter or larger craft and field a fleet like a traditional Navy, using corvettes and destroyers as the smallest unit. Fighters and Bombers only make sense if you don't have massive cluster munitions that can make entire squadrons null and void in seconds. Even the Lancer had its limits since lasers had limited range and precision. A Lancer with mass missiles of that variety would render all fighters worthless.
I keep hearing about this Tarkin Doctrine and how it affects Imperial ship design and Rebel tactics, and it’s clear to me now that Tarkin’s military philosophy and its inflexibility cost his Empire the war.
The problem was that Tarkin's plans appealed to the Emperor, and it didn't matter what anyone else said because it was an autocracy. But yes, the Tarkin Doctrine wrecked the Empire because it kept them focused on ships that would intimidate rather than ships that would get the job done efficiently. It stunted the first order too. Their answer to everything was still throwing capital ships at what were largely not capital ship problems.
Tarkin was as much a political leader as a military one, so he was a "big picture" kinda general. His concern was suppressing an increasingly angry galactic populace as the empire steamrolled over system after system. A military solution for a political matter, his doctrine was very effective in its intended role. Inevitably though, wearing two hats meant he was no longer focused purely on military matters and this cost them in the long run.
@@LTButtstrong unless it's intended role was to recruit fighters for the alliance & burn redources, the Tarkin Doctrine was a complete failure. Every exercise of it led to more weapons, funds & volunteers to the Alliance. It is the reason there even was an Alliance instead of dozens of smaller isolate rebellions trap on their own worlds
@@DIEGhostfish It exists at least as far back as TIE Fighter, and I believe they took it from the WEG Imperial handbook (though I'm not 100% sure on which came first).
This ship would actually have been very useful to the rebels as a mobile base. It could stay safe out in the void while its fighters performed hit and run operations. Rebel fighters had hyperdrives but that doesn't mean it was pleasant to travel long distances in them.
@@nikolaisikes6245 Bollocks. The Quasar that they pushed into Rebels was a freighter repurposed as Carrier... meanwhile rebels went "Lol. Triangle. It's an imperial ship lol!"
@@undertakernumberone1 that's the legends version which was exclusively used by the rebellion due to availability and being made by a friendly company
This definitely needs to be introduced back into canon!! Would like to see the ships from Battlestar Galactica or Legend of the Galactic Heroes be analyzed.
I love them in Thrawn's Revenge. Back then they alongside Strike Cruisers made up the bulk of my small raiding fleets, also I used them as escort for my planetary invasion fleet so it can independently attack lightly defended planets while my main fleet hunted down the toughest enemies. Good time
I mean, thrawn's revenge is still being updated to this day, so you dont need to reminisce. The mod is still really fun to play, and i'd recommend it today.
@@rudeboycthulhu I'm currently having fun with the mod actually. 2 years ago I didn't have my own pc and couldn't afford to buy games on steam but that changed now.
I have a deep fondness for the Imperial Escort Carrier. The first time I saw it in action was in the demo mission in TIE Fighter where you escort TIE Advanced fighters from an escort carrier to your fleet's flagship. It was the first Imperial starship I saw that wasn't a Star Destroyer variant and has always stuck in my mind since then. Gotta love this flying box.
I love having a bunch of these in EaW, with their ability to jump out of battle, they jump in drop their star fighters and bombers, jump out and then the next wave comes in and I have a fleet of fighters capable of handling anything the Rebels have and at least one interdictor to keep the rebels around!
You're doing ship-related videos again? AWESOME!!!! How about: • Nebula-class Star Destroyer versus MC90 Star Cruiser, • Peltast-class (Empire of The Hand) versus Aggressor-class (Zann Consortium), • Harrower-class versus Victory-Class (Either 1, or 2, but not both), • TIE Punisher versus K-wing, • TIE Fighter versus Vulture Droid, • LAAT/I Gunship versus HMP Gunship, • TIE Defender versus Yuuzhan Vong Coralskipper (Knowing just how hard to kill a coralskipper is, so, I would like another hard-to-kill Starfighter unit to fight it out, and see who comes out on top, and I also would like to see more Yuuzhan Vong involvement in ship versus videos in the near future, along with other lore that relates to them), • UNSC Infinity versus an Eclipse-Class SSD, • UNSC Infinity versus Viscount-class Star Defender, • And, finally, as a joke recommendation, CR90 versus an Executor-Class SSD, or an Eclipse-class SSD (Again, joke recommendation, maybe save it for April Fools Day, or something). 2:39 OOHH! I just remembered, how about a Lancer-Class (Empire) versus a Crusader-Class (Zann Consortium) versus video, please?
1.Mc90 wins 2.Peltast wins (chiss) 3.Tie fighter vs Vulture is very intresting based how Tie is successor of V wings and how V wings are successful against Droid starfighters 4.Tie defender wins (books ) 5.Usnc infinity definitely destroys the Eclipse no matter what , Ranged Combat as main and the Super Mac Mk8 cracking open New Holes\hangers on Covenant Super carriers and that Forunner Dreadnought and it's Compliment of space bombers \fighters and 10 MAC frigates and Best Spartans . Not After a whole war with the Covenant Fought with Thier Ships at long range firing Sniper Macs ,No way they are Gonna See a Huge Ass Black Alien Ship with a Giant Axe at front and Decide to go into Kissing range . Same with Viscount but Starfighter superiority is Reversed , So maybe Infinity destroys Viscount and Star fighters destroy Infinity I guess?
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 First, you forgot about "TIE Punisher vs. K-Wing", "LAAT/I vs. HMP Gunship", and "Lancer-Class vs. Crusader-Class". Second, where could I find a video of a CR90 fattened up with Rydonium blowing up an Executor SSD? I would love to see that.
@@amysargent4237 second , this is the link for echartsladders video of a CR90 full of explosives yeeted at a Super star destroyer ua-cam.com/video/moBrxeaS2So/v-deo.html First , Tie ounsher vs k wing , K wing is just too much fire power that the Rebel Alliance removed thier hyper drive and they also have that Engine boost , I think KWing LAAT vs HMP , Laat is a dropship\transport first gunship second and HMP is Gunship first drop ship second it's like a 60%40% and 40%60% think , so I think HMP droid gunship , also By end of war , HMPs carried commando Droids and Jetpack super battle droids , Laats usually carried troopers or Arcs , Clone commandos mostly used Eta or Nu Shuttles , And Lancer is Frigate sized ship very specialized to intercept star fighters and crusader is a corvette so yes KWing Hmp Lancer
EXACTLY! This random background redshirt carrier from the computer games made just too much common sense. See that big Imperial Star Destroyer with all those turbo lasers and a crew of 17,000 but only 72 fighters? Here’s a few big flying hangar bays with room for hundreds more!
#AskEck How much memory does R2-D2 have since he remembers over 60 years and has the archives of the Empire and the tactics used in most of the major battles of the Clone Wars.
one of the now non-canon books explains that R2 keeps a bunch of back ups and extra info/junk on various other droids memory banks, so by the time of the new Republic wiping him is basically an useless and entirely too complicated way of getting on his bad side
@@casbot71 The denizens of the Star Wars Galaxy figured out how to build moon-sized battle stations, planet spanning shields, and fleets of massive spaceships that can travel at the speed of light. Who is to say that they didn’t also develop a way to store massive amounts of data in something as small as a flash drive? Go back 20 years and the flash drives of then pale in comparison to the ones today in term of storage capacity.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I think it was one of the thrawn trilogy books? Basically R2 would fill up a Gonk's extra memory banks with backups of basically his whole personality and then redownload them after getting wiped
This is starting to step on the toes of previously established lore. It was my understanding that hyperdrives are somewhat imprecise in their exit points. This is why the Thrawn Pincher maneuver was so devastating. The tactic offered precision placement of your assets where you otherwise wouldn't achieve it. As usual, Fractal Sponge does stunning work. Glad you get to feature his art so often.
Glad to see my favorite ship from legends covered! Hope to see the Ton Falk introduced back into canon, although since the Quasars have been reintroduced in that role it's probably a slim chance at best.
I'm fairly sure it is mentioned on one of the canon books as an "Imperial Escort Carrier". I distinctly remember the wiki incorrectly attributing that appearance to the Imperial Escort Carrier (from Rogue Squadron 3)
@@needude7218 it's hard to say since there's a ship actually named the Imperial Escort Carrier. Empire at War mods like TR and AotR have Ton-Falks though, and that's good enough for me.
Imperial designer: "I designed this amazing Imperial Carrier design its gonna help so many people!" Imperial engineer: "Hey! We just got some pizza! Hurry before all the slices are gone!" Imperial designer: "Oh my favorite! I'll just leave my plans here and submit the designs after I get a slice." Rebel Spy: "I'mma just... borrow this..."
My favorite videos of yours in the past have been the ones that answer questions like "Why couldn't the CIS secede?", "Why does tech advance so slowly?", "Why don't droids have rights?", etc. Would love to see more of that kind of content in the future!
This is easily my favourite type of video that you make, I'd love to see similar videos on other ships like the Strike Cruiser, Vindicator, Carrack, etc
@@EckhartsLadder I love that you're reviewing ships from the old West End Games RPG, as I run a campaign using that system. Our heroes are currently partway through the "Scavenger Hunt" mission, and it really FEELS like Star Wars!
The Ton Falk carrier would still be very useful to the rebels, even with hyperdrive equipped starfighters. Hyperspace travel time does not come up much in canon, but if you have to sit in a fighter for 10 hours until you get to the fight) you’re not going to be at your best when you get there. Ton Falk’s could ferry fighters up to a short jump or two away from the target, launch fighters, then move to rendezvous location another short jump or two away. This way your pilots would be fresh and ready for action. Depending on the amenities of the Ton Falk. So maybe the Rebels used Ton Falks a lot, but you never see them in the front lines. Though admittedly, the rebels had a tendency to go “all in” and throw everything with a mounted gun into a battle.
Ship content, be it Star Wars or 40k, is my favorite form of videos on this channel. It's a fairly niche thing you do, and it's what drew me into this channel years ago. Thanks for the amazing quality content!
I’ve always wanted to see a VS matchup between a Munificent class Cruiser and a UNSC destroyer, probably one of the new strident because it has shields. Both ships focus on heavy forward firepower, so it seems like it would be a good match
In my legends story our back water Moff has tons of these they also become more useful in another way 1 Removing the fighter carrying capacity 2 fitting it with proton and concussion launchers
Also, I just want to say I feel like the ability for fighters to go into hyper space is overstated. It does have advantages and it is useful but I argue it's circumstantial. I liken it to fighters that would have the ability to cross the ocean to attack, I dunno, Not-Russia vs fighters sortieing from a carrier. Sending fighter squadrons off on their own far away from any support units is potentially precarious. You can very easily get cut off and isolated. It's a lot harder to rearm, repair, and refuel when you hyper jump far away. It is good for raiding, though. No question. Lightning strikes, in and out. But the Empire wasn't doing commerce raiding. It wasn't raiding isolated outposts and supply lines. It was fighting an insurgency and keeping planetary systems in check. ISDs acting as battle carriers is far more reasonable than anyone is giving credit, I feel. You don't need every fighter to have hyperdrives if all they are doing is screening capital ships. You don't need hyperdrive if your main offensive weapon are star destroyers that are capable of carrying fighter compliments. You just send an ISD into a theater and launch the fighters to either defend your capital ships or to strike whatever targets. The fighters just need to be able to cover the distance and I am pretty sure tie fighters are capable of that. I argue the Tie Fighter not having deflector shields is a much bigger issue.
Any carrier is good for the Rebels, you can see how effective "Midway" style engagements were in the flight sims. With capital ships never seeing each other directly.
Actually noticed this in the FoC Campaign remake mod. It jumps in, deploys fighters and jumps out, instead of just calling in fighters like you normally would
In the Awakening of the Rebellion mod you can build them with several different fighter complements (basic tie fighters and bombers, avengers and interceptors, XG-1 and brute and punishers, etc). They're nice.
Video idea. One of my favorite things in Star Trek is the refits of ships to make them meet evolving situations. These refits can be smaller or quite extensive, sometimes so extensive it’s hard to call them refits cause the ship is so much larger and more advanced. With that in mind, a series on how you refit Star Wars ships from fighters to capital ships would be a fun series.
I would love for a video on capital ship customization. Especially on the providence since that ship is said to be extremely adaptable and highly customizable
i always thought it was odd that the empire didnt have more simple pure carriers similar to our own naval carriers. i mean if you didnt use your main heavy weapon in heavy star destroyers as your only source of carriers in most battle engagements you could place your starfighters at far more strategic positions in the battle. not to mention, in the novels, how many times do we see the empire release their fighters from their star destroyers, since they dont have hypdrives either, and it takes them 5 to 8 minutes for the ties to get to the rebels from the destroyers. you could also free space up on the destroyer if they werent the only source of starfighter in the battle group. i loved this video eck. these are the kinds of videos that make me like your channel because youre looking at the strategic purpose of specific ships rather than just simply how cool they look or how much damage they can do. also, tapcaf transmissions is my favorite podcast. i spend a lot of time driving for work and i listen to it almos daily in the car
@@Mildcat743 Hey, it wasn't less than were needed. The Empire could easily outnumber a rebel battle group ten to one. Perhaps it is a pitiful amount, but considering the wars they were fighting? It was almost TOO much! If they'd had that number of actual quality fighters, they could likely have won the war.
I kinda want fractal to make a battleship varient the venator by replacing the top hanger with more weapons emplacements it will be a similar look but more firepower
The issue with though is that the Venator doesn't have the armor or the shields to go toe to toe with a similar ship without its fighter escort. That's why the main battery is a set of extremely large and long range cannons. It can support the fighters with heavy artillery fire but it really does not have stuff for close in knife fighting.
That would be a Victory class stardestroyers in a Venator halloween costume . Which would appear to open its Zip(hanger doors) to show it's stick (guns) instead of a Gap (starfighters hanger space)
The Escort Carrier's a wonderfully simple ship, its basically a hanger surrounded by crew quarters and other facilities, a few mess halls, a powerplant and some engines and then some armour plating and guns. As a ship, its probably like the WW2 escort carriers or CVE's to give them their official name, or Combustable, Vulnerable, Expendable as their crews referred to them. But if the Imperial Navy had a brain and paired like 1 of these and say 4 - 6 Lancers with every pair of ISD's, you'd have a very nasty combination. Wonderful video as always.
Maybe not a deep dive but a more light episode on illegal modifications on ships, millennium falcon for example. Or the ship Luke used to find his new jedi recruits
I would love to hear your opinion regarding the potential for the Empire to utilize freighter sized ships to both take on Rebel fighters and also work together using wolf pack tactics to harass larger ships. I think the Empire already has an excellent (albeit expensive) ship for this role in the VT-49 Decimator.
When I saw the thumbnail I immediately thought this ship was just a large clunky aft section of a Dreadnaught, I’m glad you included one in the background for comparison
I remember playing the game Star Wars: Rebellion, the 1998 PC strategy 4X game, as a game it was a nightmare to issue commands and movements, too much micro management... but passing that steep learning curve, it was decent game, specially playing against a friend, also it was a very long game, I played it a couple of time with my friend and each time took about a weekend, 3 full days of playing non stop... you play as the Rebellion or the Empire, build you fleets, invade planets, do space battles, move the main characters around doing diplomacy, espionage, Jedi Training, it had it all... the AI was a not up to a high standard, it would put up a fight at the begining but by mid game it would fall apart if you attack from multiple directions... I still have fun with it...
I love these things in Star Wars: Rebelion (PC 1998) they let you move a decent amount of firepower for relatively little cost. But they are vulnerable as heck as the rebel fighters can close the distance from the planet to space or from fleet to fleet before all the Ties launch due to the single hangar bay since the rebel fighters come in under their own power and are already battle ready on arrival (as if not having shields wasn't enough of a disadvantage for the ties). Still, with ISDs carrying half as many fighters and the Victory Class Star Destroyers carrying a single squadron, they are invaluable through the entire campaign, unlike nearly every other ship class from the start of the game. In the endgame you can load them up with Tie Defender squadrons, or a mix of Defenders and bombers thus eliminating their biggest shortcoming and making them a very powerful asset to the fleet indeed.
These are in the Rebellion game for the PC. Old game but very cool if you like saving resources and building up a fleet very deliberately. I remember these being really useful because they could carry multiple TIE Fighters.
Do we actually have any hard numbers to be able to say "the Empire ignored frigates and escort carriers"? Maybe they were there...maybe they did have enough of them, and they're just off-screen.
The Carrack-class light cruiser and the Marauder-class corvette are a couple of my favorite ships and don't get much attention. the Ton Falk-class has also been a favorite of mine for a long time, they were always a key ship in my fleets when playing Star Wars: Rebellion.
After a quick check, the typical compliment of TIE line starfighters on an ISD from Imperial I class through to the Interdictor class is 72 and the Ton Falk carries 72 TIE line starfighters so it seems to me that their main purpose was probably relegated to that of logistics rather than combat and would make runs from say a planetary based Sector repair station and ISDs to replace down TIEs with operational ones. We see Rebels working on their starfighters like on Hoth and on Yavin, we saw Clones working on fighters on the Republic Venators in the Clone Wars movies and animated series but I can't recall ever seeing imperials working on TIEs, even Maintenance, in any movies or the Rebels animated series which leads me to believe the Ton Falk acted more like a ferry to ferry new TIEs to ISDs and take old, worn out and damaged TIEs to a base to be repaired, fixed up and brought back to specs or scrapped.
WW2 carriers did not have to worry about the enormous power sources needed for weapons and shields. I know that carriers had massive citadel spaces for engines, fuel, etc, but the power for shields in star wars and durasteel armor is not comparable to the power that WW2 era ships would need for engines. Additionally, an ISD is closer to a battleship, meaning that even more of its space is dedicated to the massive engines and armor. It would be better to compare the ISD to the Ise class battlecarriers of the Japanese navy in WWII, not dedicated carriers like the Yorktown class. These, like the ISD, were battleships first with a small aircraft compliment. These ships could hardly hold 5 planes, and their numbers were thus low in fighter compliment just like an ISD because most of their space was dedicated to armor and weaponry. So, accounting for the size and energy demands of a star destroyer, 76 is a very good number.
72 was the size of a Wing at least in the old rpg. A star destroyer was also supposed to have the same number. As a kid I was fascinated reading those rule/lore books. I imagined it as the standard imperial docking bay with a box around it.
EDIT: the reason I am comparing the carriers to the star destroyer is because the ship that eck is discussing was mostly likely just the ISD's docking bay, as Lynch said.
I would be really interested by more ships videos ! An idea could be Old Republic ships, maybe we don't have a lot of intel on the tactics I don't know but it could be really interesting ! To know more about the harrower star destroyer and its uses and its ennemies in the Old Republic Navy.
The Ton Falk has that uniquely-powerful computer for replacing a busted nav computer on a PC's ship - making it such a good target to craftily sneak onto, loot, set the timers on the detonators, and flee from. It was a good target for the Rebellion in roleplay games, because the Empire just didn't value it properly - it wasn't guarded like it should have been, and there just weren't enough of them, so launching a mission to slag the escort carrier in a support location before the main attack went down would take all those 72 fighters out of that important fight (or at least not leave them in a position to respond in strength.) So nice to see it here.
I would love to see a series of videos that had your “perfect fleet” from each faction say then the final one where your able to pick and choose from all factions. Would love to see that, and a shoutout wouldn’t kill ya 😉
Or just have a FULL ( and expanded ) hangar of TIE-Interceptors with shield upgrade. The whole idea that Empire needed carriers is IMHO stupid. They already had them - ISDs, all they needed is actually using them properly, and replace useless TIEs. And move all ground stuff (troops and vehicles) to Acclamators.
@@Arthur_Revan Acclamators can also be used as carriers, they could theoretically carry ~190 TIE fighters only on it's LAAT racks. But the main advantage of the Acclamator is its hyperdive (class 0.6), it's one of the fastest ships period. This means that one Acclamator can cower lots of space and be at moments notice, it would arrive muuch faster then the ISD, and if you're not fighting capital ships why pay more? Thus, I believe, Acclamators would be best ships for police and peacekeeping duties (that empire actually requires). And if it faces something too powerful (even accounting for it's huge fighter complement), it could call ISD for reinforcement.
the Escort Cruiser would be another nice topic. they look awesome and very different from most stuff in star wars. they were also though as nails in X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter and Alliance! it even got an interdictor variant.
Strike Cruiser series would make an interesting video. The original Strike, KDY Strike, Interdictor Strike and Gorath Strike show how versatile the design is and it has really good firepower for its size with its turbolasers and concussion missiles. Not only does it have firepower, but it also carries some TIEs and is faster than most frigates. Strike cruiser was used by all sides, which makes it even more interesting and it's actually featured in several books including X-Wing and Thrawn trilogy
This vessel and the Lancer corvette would have been far better to use then an ISD, or hybrid the two, or.....the Empire could have just kept the Venator, it could have been refitted for anti-fighter duties, while carrying a far larger compliment of TIE's and as TIE's, in terms of maintenance, were nearly identical in what pieces they used, for example the solar panels of a TIE fighter were basically the same as a TIE interceptor, you wouldn't have to train different hanger crews for different classes of fighters and bombers, lowering cost. Over all, I was never really into fighter combat in Star Wars, cool to watch, but at the technological level of that universe, makes little sense. Now, the ARC-170, to a degree, makes sense, it is primarily a reconnaissance and quick attack fighter, meant for long deployments and scouting, if there was an extra back gunner, for a group of four making it a 'fire team' then it would be perfect for a small squad of special forces. However, they were not properly used as they were used as a front lines fighter, a continuing mistake we see when the Republic transformed into the Empire. But with advanced targeting computers and heavy energy weapons, fighters, in my mind, are basically a flying coffin. If I were an officer in any faction, for this example I will use the Galactic republic Navy, I would far rather have a mid sized vessel with speed, so the CR-70 or C-70.....most likely the C-70, but mostly becuase I like the mor streamlined design of the vessel. I would have modified it as a mobile barracks, ripped some equipment from smaller fighters, for example, bombing capabilities of a Y-wing, the weapons of an ARC-170, life support, power systems, shielding, anti-gravity lift, nav computers to be added it onto the preexisting one, taken their astomech's (as those little bastards are always useful, compared to the other droids of Star Wars), the weapons and anti-personnel weapons of the LAAT, and the primary weapon and reactor of a SPHA, the down side would of course that being a forward only weapon. It would be a little bit bigger, with the extra length being only what was needed to contain the SPHA reactor, and a lot of the smaller ripped out fighter weapons would have been at the stern (back) of the vessel with anti-personnel weapons flanking, and with the extra power from those reactors, up'ed.....like.....well, *A LOT!* But with bombing capabilities, troop transport, longer range, it would probably be a nice little fast vessel and far better then fighter groups.
That's a neat ship! I have a homebrew TIE Ace Squadron I spun together for Age of Rebellion; sort of an Imperial Rogue Squadron, and one thing I had trouble giving them wad a carrier, ad I didn't just want them to rock up in an ISD. I might have to look into this! I'd love to hear something about Legacy ships, to see how things improved in Legends, over the course of the century plus following RotJ. I'm a big fan of Legacy, so hearing about X-83 Twintails and Predators could be entertaining!
You've done matchups including it, but I'd love to see a stand-alone video on the Harrower-class. Another ship I'd love to see is the Invincible-class Dreadnought I'd also love to see the Imperial II-class Frigate, the Guardian-class "light cruiser", the Tartan-class "patrol cruiser", the Pursuit-class light cruiser, and the Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser.
Not to mention a ton Faulk could carry repair and support ships too. Have them hang out off site, pop in after ships start getting hit, pop out from the dangerous bits, rinse repeat
I have a ship idea mainly two. 1 ship: it’s a giant mushroom shaped shield ship with about a 10m thick front hull. Scensors give it battle field intell add a tone of AA in the rear and powerful shields in the domed front. Powerful engine that push this and can turn it on a dime (-- [about that ratio used in that small presentation] 2 ship: it is ment to his and attach tjj ok the mushroom ship it has powerful guns. And can dish out a lost of damage. When docked it can link it’s engines so more speed. The main strategy with these you take one mushroom ship and it’s 4 parasite ships. Move behind the enemy locations deploy ships turn around and ram. The 4 deployed Parasite ships would dish out damaged while you do this. Could be a good strategy in Star Wars.
If I were an Imperial Admiral trying to build an ideal fleet, I'd have an ISD as the flagship, serving as the centre of command, used to besiege worlds from orbit and carry the bulk of invasion/expeditionary forces to border worlds. Added to that, I'd have a few Victory Class SDs to serve as an "inner ring" to support the ISD in the event of a capital ship attack, and to also bring extra troops, vehicles and supplies. Then I'd have the Lancer Frigates to screen the inner Star Destroyer group from enemy fighters, and Escort Carriers to bring the bulk of the fleet's starfighters that can be used in space, or to assist ground ops. If I could get them, I might add some Strike Cruisers or Nebulon Bs for good measure. In short, I'd be mimicking what the Rebels did with their fleet compositions somewhat, because they knew how to make balanced fleets with limited resources, while the Empire couldn't despite being spoiled for choice in a galaxy where they effectively had everything they could want.
Ranger Gunship vs Lancer Frigate! Always wished we'd have gotten more on the Ranger, its few appearances made it a favorite of mine. Yevethan Thrust Ship vs Hapan Battle Dragon (and in general more vids about ships from beyond the Empire/Rebels/NR!)
Quasar gets fighters out quickly but this has WAY more internal volume. I'd probably prefer the Quasar for hit and runs (big open hangars will help with quick recovery) but the ton falk for extended engagements.
Yes, keep this type of content coming BUT with one small addition. While it may seem repetitive to the many captains and rear admirals on here, please give a QUICK rundown on what the ship class means. Don't assume we all know what a capital ship or a corvette is. Otherwise, great stuff, J!
A star destroyer was a combination of a battleship and a carrier. It did carry fighters but yes, a dedicated carrier that could launch thousends of fighters would have had a very real use, especially for close ground support roles. Basically park it above an enemy instalation and defend it with star destroyers while 5000 Tie fighters decend onto enemies on the planet and claim total air superiority in about 30 seconds flat. There is no escape from the rebel base and ground forces are completely protected from enemy air units.
I can also see the Tan Falk be used as a micro station in an area for lesser used areas. I think a Rebellion controlled Tan Falk could be an interesting mobile drydock for fighters.
USS Saratoga: Space Above and Beyond deep dive and/or a vs with like the Galactica or something! Space Above and Beyond was my favorite show as a kid and it's criminal it didn't get picked up for another season!!
Is it plausible for a ship to have multiple hyper drives so that it can jump to light speed in different directions, an example would be having one in the back and one in the front so that you could exit hyper space using the rear hyperdrive going forwards and then re-enter hyper space using the front hyperdrive sending the starcraft backwards. I get that hyperspace is an in-between realm of sorts but also thought that it could hypothetically could be a cool mechanic or just something that immediately obliterates the ship, thus I was wondering if this was something possible or even if it has been done before.
Since you asked at the start, I'd love to hear your opinions on the V-wing, I think it's incredible looking but so little is said about it. Maybe a breakdown, maybe a personal thoughts on the ship?
Videos for spacecrafts and such? What about breakdowns of all the various military forces and factions active throughout star wars history. Like complete from the ground up. Give basic stats and specs of the various crafts, almost like an archive of star wars ship history and a resource for others to use, all in the same format. The more obscure the better, like a wiki in video form.
Talking imperial carriers, I much prefer the quasar-fire to this. Obviously this little one has a few more tactical advantages but I like the wedge shape synergy and the point defense turrets and turbolasers of the QF.
Thumbnail model by Fractal Sponge, gameplay via the Thrawn's Revenge mod for Empire at War. Links to both can be found in the description.
Hey EckhartsLadder, can you please make a video about what if Abeloth escaped during the clone wars?
Hey Ecks, Amazing video and your right about the ship it's literally an missed chance for the Empire to have them in their fleets. Also can you do an breakdown for Victory ll class frigate from EaW and the old Battlefront 2?
the Empire did not ignore carriers.... star destroyer carried 72 fighters.
problem was poor fighters and an attrition/replacement mindset
Ever played the Roblox Project Stardust cause it has all New Republic, Empire, Republic, Restitance, and Rebels captains ships and not the super weapons or no Super Star Destroyer
I reckon you should do a video on the Tartan Patrol Cruiser.
Every time I play Empire at War AOTR as the Imps, I have a rule that for every ISD I build, I build one Ton Falk and a Lancer, and that ISD goes nowhere without those two in tow. Works quite well, and I think it would have in lore as well.
My go-to small fleet is 1 ISD, 4 Lancers in front to screen, 3 TF in the back to bring in fighters, 3 Victory ISD.
based and falk pilled.
oooo I go full imp usually with either 1 ISD flanked by arqentins or The classic 3 isd formation
I do like the Falk not actually having a hangar slot so as long as it's got any HP on any of its hardpoints it can spawn fighters.
Commander Cody, Execute Order 66
It may be an ugly brick of a ship but you can't argue with a wing of star fighters and full load of missiles. If this could be equipped with diamond boron missiles it would be a truly deadly threat to starfighters as those kind of missiles can make entire squadrons of fighters just disappear
Well you have to differentiate game mechanics from lore. The diamond boron missiles from EaW seemed a little too game-y to me.
@T KC couldn't agree more. If missiles were the superior weapon for combat why would anyone use lasers or smaller star fighters? Just get freighter or larger craft and field a fleet like a traditional Navy, using corvettes and destroyers as the smallest unit. Fighters and Bombers only make sense if you don't have massive cluster munitions that can make entire squadrons null and void in seconds. Even the Lancer had its limits since lasers had limited range and precision. A Lancer with mass missiles of that variety would render all fighters worthless.
@@idleishde6124 it kind of DID nullify starfighters but it was very expensive...
Star Wars is not very technologically realistic.
It kind of looks like someone chopped the head off of a Colonial Battlestar.
I keep hearing about this Tarkin Doctrine and how it affects Imperial ship design and Rebel tactics, and it’s clear to me now that Tarkin’s military philosophy and its inflexibility cost his Empire the war.
amongst other factors, yes
The problem was that Tarkin's plans appealed to the Emperor, and it didn't matter what anyone else said because it was an autocracy.
But yes, the Tarkin Doctrine wrecked the Empire because it kept them focused on ships that would intimidate rather than ships that would get the job done efficiently.
It stunted the first order too. Their answer to everything was still throwing capital ships at what were largely not capital ship problems.
Tarkin was as much a political leader as a military one, so he was a "big picture" kinda general. His concern was suppressing an increasingly angry galactic populace as the empire steamrolled over system after system. A military solution for a political matter, his doctrine was very effective in its intended role. Inevitably though, wearing two hats meant he was no longer focused purely on military matters and this cost them in the long run.
Fun fact: In Empire at War, Tarkin doesn't allow you to retreat as "Retreat is not a viable option"
@@LTButtstrong unless it's intended role was to recruit fighters for the alliance & burn redources, the Tarkin Doctrine was a complete failure.
Every exercise of it led to more weapons,
funds & volunteers to the Alliance. It is the reason there even was an Alliance instead of dozens of smaller isolate rebellions trap on their own worlds
This ship actually exists in Canon as well in Legends. The escort carrier Goliath in the Tarkin novel matches the Ton Falk's description exactly.
But the completely different NuCanon Quasar fire sees to have pretty much replaced them.
It was made for Star Wars Rebellion as the Empire Carrier to counter the Quasar Fire class.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 Pretty sure it existed way back.into West En# Games but may be wromg
@@DIEGhostfish It exists at least as far back as TIE Fighter, and I believe they took it from the WEG Imperial handbook (though I'm not 100% sure on which came first).
@@DIEGhostfish I never liked the Quasar. Always thought it looked like a baseball diamond glued to a shoebox. Ton Falk is much superior aesthetically.
This ship would actually have been very useful to the rebels as a mobile base.
It could stay safe out in the void while its fighters performed hit and run operations. Rebel fighters had hyperdrives but that doesn't mean it was pleasant to travel long distances in them.
They did capture one with the same purpose but designed a whole better in the Rebels show
@@nikolaisikes6245 That was the Light Carrier, based on the ship from Truce at Bakura
@@nikolaisikes6245 quasar class carrier. It's a great light carrier but the Ton Falk would be able to carry far more fighters
@@nikolaisikes6245 Bollocks. The Quasar that they pushed into Rebels was a freighter repurposed as Carrier... meanwhile rebels went "Lol. Triangle. It's an imperial ship lol!"
@@undertakernumberone1 that's the legends version which was exclusively used by the rebellion due to availability and being made by a friendly company
This definitely needs to be introduced back into canon!! Would like to see the ships from Battlestar Galactica or Legend of the Galactic Heroes be analyzed.
It is canon my dude. It appears in Tarkin!!
why would disney make the empire an actual threat now?
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 Not Applicable, it already is canon
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 oh ok. Thanks for letting me know!! 👍
They gave them Quasars en masse, that are just like third of Ton Falk. :P
I love them in Thrawn's Revenge. Back then they alongside Strike Cruisers made up the bulk of my small raiding fleets, also I used them as escort for my planetary invasion fleet so it can independently attack lightly defended planets while my main fleet hunted down the toughest enemies.
Good time
Yeah. Good time
I mean, thrawn's revenge is still being updated to this day, so you dont need to reminisce. The mod is still really fun to play, and i'd recommend it today.
@@rudeboycthulhu I'm currently having fun with the mod actually. 2 years ago I didn't have my own pc and couldn't afford to buy games on steam but that changed now.
@@nhanbui2707 hell yeah, happy to hear that. happy galactic domination!
I have a deep fondness for the Imperial Escort Carrier. The first time I saw it in action was in the demo mission in TIE Fighter where you escort TIE Advanced fighters from an escort carrier to your fleet's flagship. It was the first Imperial starship I saw that wasn't a Star Destroyer variant and has always stuck in my mind since then. Gotta love this flying box.
This one isn't the IEC, though that ship is cool too. IECs are smaller and shaped a bit like arrows
Kinda neat to non-combat oriented ships in the Empire.
You’d need ships for many different things.
@@treystephens6166 indeed
Big ol’ nugget carrier
I love having a bunch of these in EaW, with their ability to jump out of battle, they jump in drop their star fighters and bombers, jump out and then the next wave comes in and I have a fleet of fighters capable of handling anything the Rebels have and at least one interdictor to keep the rebels around!
You're doing ship-related videos again? AWESOME!!!! How about:
• Nebula-class Star Destroyer versus MC90 Star Cruiser,
• Peltast-class (Empire of The Hand) versus Aggressor-class (Zann Consortium),
• Harrower-class versus Victory-Class (Either 1, or 2, but not both),
• TIE Punisher versus K-wing,
• TIE Fighter versus Vulture Droid,
• LAAT/I Gunship versus HMP Gunship,
• TIE Defender versus Yuuzhan Vong Coralskipper (Knowing just how hard to kill a coralskipper is, so, I would like another hard-to-kill Starfighter unit to fight it out, and see who comes out on top, and I also would like to see more Yuuzhan Vong involvement in ship versus videos in the near future, along with other lore that relates to them),
• UNSC Infinity versus an Eclipse-Class SSD,
• UNSC Infinity versus Viscount-class Star Defender,
• And, finally, as a joke recommendation, CR90 versus an Executor-Class SSD, or an Eclipse-class SSD (Again, joke recommendation, maybe save it for April Fools Day, or something).
2:39 OOHH! I just remembered, how about a Lancer-Class (Empire) versus a Crusader-Class (Zann Consortium) versus video, please?
1.Mc90 wins
2.Peltast wins (chiss)
3.Tie fighter vs Vulture is very intresting based how Tie is successor of V wings and how V wings are successful against Droid starfighters
4.Tie defender wins (books )
5.Usnc infinity definitely destroys the Eclipse no matter what , Ranged Combat as main and the Super Mac Mk8 cracking open New Holes\hangers on Covenant Super carriers and that Forunner Dreadnought and it's Compliment of space bombers \fighters and 10 MAC frigates and Best Spartans . Not After a whole war with the Covenant Fought with Thier Ships at long range firing Sniper Macs ,No way they are Gonna See a Huge Ass Black Alien Ship with a Giant Axe at front and Decide to go into Kissing range . Same with Viscount but Starfighter superiority is Reversed , So maybe Infinity destroys Viscount and Star fighters destroy Infinity I guess?
And Haven't you seen a CR90 full of raw explosive Rhidonium yeeted at a super Star destroyers yet ?
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@@sumukhvmrsat6347 First, you forgot about "TIE Punisher vs. K-Wing", "LAAT/I vs. HMP Gunship", and "Lancer-Class vs. Crusader-Class".
Second, where could I find a video of a CR90 fattened up with Rydonium blowing up an Executor SSD? I would love to see that.
@@amysargent4237 second , this is the link for echartsladders video of a CR90 full of explosives yeeted at a Super star destroyer
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First , Tie ounsher vs k wing , K wing is just too much fire power that the Rebel Alliance removed thier hyper drive and they also have that Engine boost , I think KWing
LAAT vs HMP , Laat is a dropship\transport first gunship second and HMP is Gunship first drop ship second it's like a 60%40% and 40%60% think , so I think HMP droid gunship , also By end of war , HMPs carried commando Droids and Jetpack super battle droids , Laats usually carried troopers or Arcs , Clone commandos mostly used Eta or Nu Shuttles , And Lancer is Frigate sized ship very specialized to intercept star fighters and crusader is a corvette so yes
KWing
Hmp
Lancer
By the way, would love to see more Empire at War tactics/strategies like the ones you did previously like “Thrawns Pincer” and so forth
EXACTLY! This random background redshirt carrier from the computer games made just too much common sense. See that big Imperial Star Destroyer with all those turbo lasers and a crew of 17,000 but only 72 fighters? Here’s a few big flying hangar bays with room for hundreds more!
17000? more like 37000. They where horribly inefficient
Yeah. The Nebulas were a similar size as the ISDs but had automation for a lot of the ship functions, reducing crew requirements and logistics burden.
@@wilkor-lc7ox Jeez I forgot
@@JohnNathanShopper no problem could of just get mix up with dreadnought cruiser or some thing. It's just that 20k is a lot more logistical burden
Hunderds? From my memory it had same capacity as ISD and probably less spares.
#AskEck How much memory does R2-D2 have since he remembers over 60 years and has the archives of the Empire and the tactics used in most of the major battles of the Clone Wars.
He had extra Hard Drive slots installed.
@@casbot71 R2 seems to be carrying more information in him then is currently on the Internet so those hard drives have to have a lot on them
one of the now non-canon books explains that R2 keeps a bunch of back ups and extra info/junk on various other droids memory banks, so by the time of the new Republic wiping him is basically an useless and entirely too complicated way of getting on his bad side
@@casbot71 The denizens of the Star Wars Galaxy figured out how to build moon-sized battle stations, planet spanning shields, and fleets of massive spaceships that can travel at the speed of light. Who is to say that they didn’t also develop a way to store massive amounts of data in something as small as a flash drive? Go back 20 years and the flash drives of then pale in comparison to the ones today in term of storage capacity.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I think it was one of the thrawn trilogy books? Basically R2 would fill up a Gonk's extra memory banks with backups of basically his whole personality and then redownload them after getting wiped
This is starting to step on the toes of previously established lore. It was my understanding that hyperdrives are somewhat imprecise in their exit points. This is why the Thrawn Pincher maneuver was so devastating. The tactic offered precision placement of your assets where you otherwise wouldn't achieve it.
As usual, Fractal Sponge does stunning work. Glad you get to feature his art so often.
Glad to see my favorite ship from legends covered! Hope to see the Ton Falk introduced back into canon, although since the Quasars have been reintroduced in that role it's probably a slim chance at best.
I'm fairly sure it is mentioned on one of the canon books as an "Imperial Escort Carrier". I distinctly remember the wiki incorrectly attributing that appearance to the Imperial Escort Carrier (from Rogue Squadron 3)
@@needude7218 it's hard to say since there's a ship actually named the Imperial Escort Carrier.
Empire at War mods like TR and AotR have Ton-Falks though, and that's good enough for me.
Imperial designer: "I designed this amazing Imperial Carrier design its gonna help so many people!"
Imperial engineer: "Hey! We just got some pizza! Hurry before all the slices are gone!"
Imperial designer: "Oh my favorite! I'll just leave my plans here and submit the designs after I get a slice."
Rebel Spy: "I'mma just... borrow this..."
My favorite videos of yours in the past have been the ones that answer questions like "Why couldn't the CIS secede?", "Why does tech advance so slowly?", "Why don't droids have rights?", etc. Would love to see more of that kind of content in the future!
The CIS trying to secede was the whole point of the war. The Republic got huffy at the idea of planets becoming independent
This is easily my favourite type of video that you make, I'd love to see similar videos on other ships like the Strike Cruiser, Vindicator, Carrack, etc
Keep an eye open
@@EckhartsLadder I love that you're reviewing ships from the old West End Games RPG, as I run a campaign using that system. Our heroes are currently partway through the "Scavenger Hunt" mission, and it really FEELS like Star Wars!
Fractal Sponge makes great ship models I really like the Intersector class sloop it looks like if the Imperial navy made a YT model ship
The Ton Falk carrier would still be very useful to the rebels, even with hyperdrive equipped starfighters.
Hyperspace travel time does not come up much in canon, but if you have to sit in a fighter for 10 hours until you get to the fight) you’re not going to be at your best when you get there. Ton Falk’s could ferry fighters up to a short jump or two away from the target, launch fighters, then move to rendezvous location another short jump or two away.
This way your pilots would be fresh and ready for action. Depending on the amenities of the Ton Falk.
So maybe the Rebels used Ton Falks a lot, but you never see them in the front lines.
Though admittedly, the rebels had a tendency to go “all in” and throw everything with a mounted gun into a battle.
"She may not look like much but she's got it where it counts kid"
Ship content, be it Star Wars or 40k, is my favorite form of videos on this channel. It's a fairly niche thing you do, and it's what drew me into this channel years ago. Thanks for the amazing quality content!
I used to play, "Sins of a Galactic Empire", a mod for, "Sins of a Solar Empire". It has these carriers, and were one of my favorite ships to build.
i love this thing, it's like a hanger with engines (and really satisfying to use in Empire At War: Awakening The Rebellion)
Can we get a full breakdown of the ladder formation?
I’ve always wanted to see a VS matchup between a Munificent class Cruiser and a UNSC destroyer, probably one of the new strident because it has shields.
Both ships focus on heavy forward firepower, so it seems like it would be a good match
You can say that again.
In my legends story our back water Moff has tons of these they also become more useful in another way
1 Removing the fighter carrying capacity
2 fitting it with proton and concussion launchers
Ton Falk is an underrated carrier that deserved more love and respect.
Egg?
Also, I just want to say I feel like the ability for fighters to go into hyper space is overstated. It does have advantages and it is useful but I argue it's circumstantial. I liken it to fighters that would have the ability to cross the ocean to attack, I dunno, Not-Russia vs fighters sortieing from a carrier. Sending fighter squadrons off on their own far away from any support units is potentially precarious. You can very easily get cut off and isolated. It's a lot harder to rearm, repair, and refuel when you hyper jump far away.
It is good for raiding, though. No question. Lightning strikes, in and out.
But the Empire wasn't doing commerce raiding. It wasn't raiding isolated outposts and supply lines. It was fighting an insurgency and keeping planetary systems in check. ISDs acting as battle carriers is far more reasonable than anyone is giving credit, I feel. You don't need every fighter to have hyperdrives if all they are doing is screening capital ships. You don't need hyperdrive if your main offensive weapon are star destroyers that are capable of carrying fighter compliments. You just send an ISD into a theater and launch the fighters to either defend your capital ships or to strike whatever targets. The fighters just need to be able to cover the distance and I am pretty sure tie fighters are capable of that.
I argue the Tie Fighter not having deflector shields is a much bigger issue.
Any carrier is good for the Rebels, you can see how effective "Midway" style engagements were in the flight sims. With capital ships never seeing each other directly.
Actually noticed this in the FoC Campaign remake mod. It jumps in, deploys fighters and jumps out, instead of just calling in fighters like you normally would
In the Awakening of the Rebellion mod you can build them with several different fighter complements (basic tie fighters and bombers, avengers and interceptors, XG-1 and brute and punishers, etc). They're nice.
“Imperial,” “Star Destroyer,” and “fetish” are four words I never expected to be combined in that way.
I love seeing what the auto-generated subtitles do in their attempt to spell Ton Falk.
I always kept a few of these in my Imperial fleets in Star Wars Rebellion... The Rebel scum never stood a chance!
Video idea. One of my favorite things in Star Trek is the refits of ships to make them meet evolving situations. These refits can be smaller or quite extensive, sometimes so extensive it’s hard to call them refits cause the ship is so much larger and more advanced.
With that in mind, a series on how you refit Star Wars ships from fighters to capital ships would be a fun series.
I would love for a video on capital ship customization. Especially on the providence since that ship is said to be extremely adaptable and highly customizable
i always thought it was odd that the empire didnt have more simple pure carriers similar to our own naval carriers. i mean if you didnt use your main heavy weapon in heavy star destroyers as your only source of carriers in most battle engagements you could place your starfighters at far more strategic positions in the battle. not to mention, in the novels, how many times do we see the empire release their fighters from their star destroyers, since they dont have hypdrives either, and it takes them 5 to 8 minutes for the ties to get to the rebels from the destroyers. you could also free space up on the destroyer if they werent the only source of starfighter in the battle group. i loved this video eck. these are the kinds of videos that make me like your channel because youre looking at the strategic purpose of specific ships rather than just simply how cool they look or how much damage they can do.
also, tapcaf transmissions is my favorite podcast. i spend a lot of time driving for work and i listen to it almos daily in the car
the Empire did not ignore carriers.... star destroyer carried 72 fighters.
problem was poor fighters and an attrition/replacement mindset
The sad part is the Empire did have good starfighters but refused to use them
72 fighters in a ship the size of an ISD is pitiful. Venators could carry nearly 3 times that when fully loaded.
@@Mildcat743 the trick there is that most vens never even got close to being fully loaded during the clone wars
@@Mildcat743 Hey, it wasn't less than were needed. The Empire could easily outnumber a rebel battle group ten to one. Perhaps it is a pitiful amount, but considering the wars they were fighting? It was almost TOO much! If they'd had that number of actual quality fighters, they could likely have won the war.
@@Mildcat743 Venator capacity is vastly overtated it's supposed to be 192 V-Wings OR 192 Eta-2s.
I kinda want fractal to make a battleship varient the venator by replacing the top hanger with more weapons emplacements it will be a similar look but more firepower
The issue with though is that the Venator doesn't have the armor or the shields to go toe to toe with a similar ship without its fighter escort. That's why the main battery is a set of extremely large and long range cannons. It can support the fighters with heavy artillery fire but it really does not have stuff for close in knife fighting.
I, uh, think you just described an ISD.
That would be a Victory class stardestroyers in a Venator halloween costume . Which would appear to open its Zip(hanger doors) to show it's stick (guns) instead of a Gap (starfighters hanger space)
The Escort Carrier's a wonderfully simple ship, its basically a hanger surrounded by crew quarters and other facilities, a few mess halls, a powerplant and some engines and then some armour plating and guns. As a ship, its probably like the WW2 escort carriers or CVE's to give them their official name, or Combustable, Vulnerable, Expendable as their crews referred to them. But if the Imperial Navy had a brain and paired like 1 of these and say 4 - 6 Lancers with every pair of ISD's, you'd have a very nasty combination. Wonderful video as always.
this is a ship i would use in my fantasy imperial fleet
Maybe not a deep dive but a more light episode on illegal modifications on ships, millennium falcon for example. Or the ship Luke used to find his new jedi recruits
Rebels seeing that Imperial Carrier: "It's a free real estate."
Yeah, pretty much every ship the Imperials didn't want, they'd grab.
I would love to hear your opinion regarding the potential for the Empire to utilize freighter sized ships to both take on Rebel fighters and also work together using wolf pack tactics to harass larger ships.
I think the Empire already has an excellent (albeit expensive) ship for this role in the VT-49 Decimator.
I’ve been listening to Timothy Zahns thrawn trilogies and it would be awesome to see what some of the chaos’s alien species look like!!
When I saw the thumbnail I immediately thought this ship was just a large clunky aft section of a Dreadnaught, I’m glad you included one in the background for comparison
Today I learned...Your name is Justin, Hi Justin
They just pulled the hangar bay out of an ISD and slapped engines on it.
Video idea: Did Palpatine have the capability and knowledge to build his own starforge?
I remember these things in old games - one of there main strengths was that with a low poly count it looks very like an astroid.
No offense Justin but I Still go for the Venator. And sorry Imperial dogs
Yes...a video on the Ton-Falk
Something i would be interested in would be an full ebon hawk breakdown and history video
This was a good one to do man. It’s in a lot of the empire of war mods and I’d never seen or heard of it before but I used it lot.
I remember playing the game Star Wars: Rebellion, the 1998 PC strategy 4X game, as a game it was a nightmare to issue commands and movements, too much micro management... but passing that steep learning curve, it was decent game, specially playing against a friend, also it was a very long game, I played it a couple of time with my friend and each time took about a weekend, 3 full days of playing non stop... you play as the Rebellion or the Empire, build you fleets, invade planets, do space battles, move the main characters around doing diplomacy, espionage, Jedi Training, it had it all... the AI was a not up to a high standard, it would put up a fight at the begining but by mid game it would fall apart if you attack from multiple directions... I still have fun with it...
I love these things in Star Wars: Rebelion (PC 1998) they let you move a decent amount of firepower for relatively little cost. But they are vulnerable as heck as the rebel fighters can close the distance from the planet to space or from fleet to fleet before all the Ties launch due to the single hangar bay since the rebel fighters come in under their own power and are already battle ready on arrival (as if not having shields wasn't enough of a disadvantage for the ties). Still, with ISDs carrying half as many fighters and the Victory Class Star Destroyers carrying a single squadron, they are invaluable through the entire campaign, unlike nearly every other ship class from the start of the game. In the endgame you can load them up with Tie Defender squadrons, or a mix of Defenders and bombers thus eliminating their biggest shortcoming and making them a very powerful asset to the fleet indeed.
These are in the Rebellion game for the PC. Old game but very cool if you like saving resources and building up a fleet very deliberately. I remember these being really useful because they could carry multiple TIE Fighters.
Do we actually have any hard numbers to be able to say "the Empire ignored frigates and escort carriers"? Maybe they were there...maybe they did have enough of them, and they're just off-screen.
The Carrack-class light cruiser and the Marauder-class corvette are a couple of my favorite ships and don't get much attention. the Ton Falk-class has also been a favorite of mine for a long time, they were always a key ship in my fleets when playing Star Wars: Rebellion.
After a quick check, the typical compliment of TIE line starfighters on an ISD from Imperial I class through to the Interdictor class is 72 and the Ton Falk carries 72 TIE line starfighters so it seems to me that their main purpose was probably relegated to that of logistics rather than combat and would make runs from say a planetary based Sector repair station and ISDs to replace down TIEs with operational ones. We see Rebels working on their starfighters like on Hoth and on Yavin, we saw Clones working on fighters on the Republic Venators in the Clone Wars movies and animated series but I can't recall ever seeing imperials working on TIEs, even Maintenance, in any movies or the Rebels animated series which leads me to believe the Ton Falk acted more like a ferry to ferry new TIEs to ISDs and take old, worn out and damaged TIEs to a base to be repaired, fixed up and brought back to specs or scrapped.
72 starfighters seems small when a ww2 carrier had up to 90 fighters on board and was a fraction of the size.
Kinda irrelevant when you don't have to make your own atmosphere
WW2 carriers did not have to worry about the enormous power sources needed for weapons and shields. I know that carriers had massive citadel spaces for engines, fuel, etc, but the power for shields in star wars and durasteel armor is not comparable to the power that WW2 era ships would need for engines. Additionally, an ISD is closer to a battleship, meaning that even more of its space is dedicated to the massive engines and armor. It would be better to compare the ISD to the Ise class battlecarriers of the Japanese navy in WWII, not dedicated carriers like the Yorktown class. These, like the ISD, were battleships first with a small aircraft compliment. These ships could hardly hold 5 planes, and their numbers were thus low in fighter compliment just like an ISD because most of their space was dedicated to armor and weaponry. So, accounting for the size and energy demands of a star destroyer, 76 is a very good number.
72 was the size of a Wing at least in the old rpg. A star destroyer was also supposed to have the same number. As a kid I was fascinated reading those rule/lore books. I imagined it as the standard imperial docking bay with a box around it.
EDIT: the reason I am comparing the carriers to the star destroyer is because the ship that eck is discussing was mostly likely just the ISD's docking bay, as Lynch said.
@@fightingdreamer123 none of that matters anymore Disney doesn’t care. I’m not sure if George Lucas ever cared either.
I would be really interested by more ships videos !
An idea could be Old Republic ships, maybe we don't have a lot of intel on the tactics I don't know but it could be really interesting !
To know more about the harrower star destroyer and its uses and its ennemies in the Old Republic Navy.
The Ton Falk has that uniquely-powerful computer for replacing a busted nav computer on a PC's ship - making it such a good target to craftily sneak onto, loot, set the timers on the detonators, and flee from. It was a good target for the Rebellion in roleplay games, because the Empire just didn't value it properly - it wasn't guarded like it should have been, and there just weren't enough of them, so launching a mission to slag the escort carrier in a support location before the main attack went down would take all those 72 fighters out of that important fight (or at least not leave them in a position to respond in strength.)
So nice to see it here.
I would love to see a series of videos that had your “perfect fleet” from each faction say then the final one where your able to pick and choose from all factions. Would love to see that, and a shoutout wouldn’t kill ya 😉
Imagine if - ISDs had an adequate number of point defense lasers and missiles, placed around the vessel to cover all angles.
Or just have a FULL ( and expanded ) hangar of TIE-Interceptors with shield upgrade.
The whole idea that Empire needed carriers is IMHO stupid.
They already had them - ISDs, all they needed is actually using them properly, and replace useless TIEs.
And move all ground stuff (troops and vehicles) to Acclamators.
@@Arthur_Revan Acclamators can also be used as carriers, they could theoretically carry ~190 TIE fighters only on it's LAAT racks. But the main advantage of the Acclamator is its hyperdive (class 0.6), it's one of the fastest ships period. This means that one Acclamator can cower lots of space and be at moments notice, it would arrive muuch faster then the ISD, and if you're not fighting capital ships why pay more?
Thus, I believe, Acclamators would be best ships for police and peacekeeping duties (that empire actually requires). And if it faces something too powerful (even accounting for it's huge fighter complement), it could call ISD for reinforcement.
the Escort Cruiser would be another nice topic. they look awesome and very different from most stuff in star wars. they were also though as nails in X-Wing vs Tie-Fighter and Alliance!
it even got an interdictor variant.
I really enjoy learning about ships like these. Small ones that we rarely hear about. I’d like to hear one on the Tarken cruiser.
Strike Cruiser series would make an interesting video. The original Strike, KDY Strike, Interdictor Strike and Gorath Strike show how versatile the design is and it has really good firepower for its size with its turbolasers and concussion missiles. Not only does it have firepower, but it also carries some TIEs and is faster than most frigates. Strike cruiser was used by all sides, which makes it even more interesting and it's actually featured in several books including X-Wing and Thrawn trilogy
This vessel and the Lancer corvette would have been far better to use then an ISD, or hybrid the two, or.....the Empire could have just kept the Venator, it could have been refitted for anti-fighter duties, while carrying a far larger compliment of TIE's and as TIE's, in terms of maintenance, were nearly identical in what pieces they used, for example the solar panels of a TIE fighter were basically the same as a TIE interceptor, you wouldn't have to train different hanger crews for different classes of fighters and bombers, lowering cost.
Over all, I was never really into fighter combat in Star Wars, cool to watch, but at the technological level of that universe, makes little sense. Now, the ARC-170, to a degree, makes sense, it is primarily a reconnaissance and quick attack fighter, meant for long deployments and scouting, if there was an extra back gunner, for a group of four making it a 'fire team' then it would be perfect for a small squad of special forces. However, they were not properly used as they were used as a front lines fighter, a continuing mistake we see when the Republic transformed into the Empire. But with advanced targeting computers and heavy energy weapons, fighters, in my mind, are basically a flying coffin.
If I were an officer in any faction, for this example I will use the Galactic republic Navy, I would far rather have a mid sized vessel with speed, so the CR-70 or C-70.....most likely the C-70, but mostly becuase I like the mor streamlined design of the vessel. I would have modified it as a mobile barracks, ripped some equipment from smaller fighters, for example, bombing capabilities of a Y-wing, the weapons of an ARC-170, life support, power systems, shielding, anti-gravity lift, nav computers to be added it onto the preexisting one, taken their astomech's (as those little bastards are always useful, compared to the other droids of Star Wars), the weapons and anti-personnel weapons of the LAAT, and the primary weapon and reactor of a SPHA, the down side would of course that being a forward only weapon.
It would be a little bit bigger, with the extra length being only what was needed to contain the SPHA reactor, and a lot of the smaller ripped out fighter weapons would have been at the stern (back) of the vessel with anti-personnel weapons flanking, and with the extra power from those reactors, up'ed.....like.....well, *A LOT!* But with bombing capabilities, troop transport, longer range, it would probably be a nice little fast vessel and far better then fighter groups.
That's a neat ship! I have a homebrew TIE Ace Squadron I spun together for Age of Rebellion; sort of an Imperial Rogue Squadron, and one thing I had trouble giving them wad a carrier, ad I didn't just want them to rock up in an ISD. I might have to look into this!
I'd love to hear something about Legacy ships, to see how things improved in Legends, over the course of the century plus following RotJ. I'm a big fan of Legacy, so hearing about X-83 Twintails and Predators could be entertaining!
Looks like a giant grey flying pillow, and palpatine didn't want giant grey flying pillows, he wanted giant grey flying pizzas!!
I really wish we could know more about the interiors, like deck plans.
When your fighters depend on numbers to win, might as well bring dedicated carriers solely meant to bring more to battle.
You've done matchups including it, but I'd love to see a stand-alone video on the Harrower-class.
Another ship I'd love to see is the Invincible-class Dreadnought
I'd also love to see the Imperial II-class Frigate, the Guardian-class "light cruiser", the Tartan-class "patrol cruiser", the Pursuit-class light cruiser, and the Neutron Star-class bulk cruiser.
I wish this ship appeared in Star Wars Rebels rather than the Quasar Fire class carrier. It’s a much better design in my opinion
As soon as I get access to ton falks in aotr I try to build them to protect my imperial ships. They make a huge difference
And the advanced complements especially are so good
Not to mention a ton Faulk could carry repair and support ships too. Have them hang out off site, pop in after ships start getting hit, pop out from the dangerous bits, rinse repeat
I have a ship idea mainly two.
1 ship: it’s a giant mushroom shaped shield ship with about a 10m thick front hull.
Scensors give it battle field intell add a tone of AA in the rear and powerful shields in the domed front. Powerful engine that push this and can turn it on a dime
(-- [about that ratio used in that small presentation]
2 ship: it is ment to his and attach tjj ok the mushroom ship it has powerful guns. And can dish out a lost of damage. When docked it can link it’s engines so more speed.
The main strategy with these you take one mushroom ship and it’s 4 parasite ships. Move behind the enemy locations deploy ships turn around and ram. The 4 deployed Parasite ships would dish out damaged while you do this. Could be a good strategy in Star Wars.
Maybe the life stories of star wars characters? Could be a neat series for the channel?
Maybe an episode or series of episodes on rare and custom ships.
If I were an Imperial Admiral trying to build an ideal fleet, I'd have an ISD as the flagship, serving as the centre of command, used to besiege worlds from orbit and carry the bulk of invasion/expeditionary forces to border worlds. Added to that, I'd have a few Victory Class SDs to serve as an "inner ring" to support the ISD in the event of a capital ship attack, and to also bring extra troops, vehicles and supplies.
Then I'd have the Lancer Frigates to screen the inner Star Destroyer group from enemy fighters, and Escort Carriers to bring the bulk of the fleet's starfighters that can be used in space, or to assist ground ops. If I could get them, I might add some Strike Cruisers or Nebulon Bs for good measure.
In short, I'd be mimicking what the Rebels did with their fleet compositions somewhat, because they knew how to make balanced fleets with limited resources, while the Empire couldn't despite being spoiled for choice in a galaxy where they effectively had everything they could want.
Ranger Gunship vs Lancer Frigate! Always wished we'd have gotten more on the Ranger, its few appearances made it a favorite of mine.
Yevethan Thrust Ship vs Hapan Battle Dragon (and in general more vids about ships from beyond the Empire/Rebels/NR!)
I love when I find out new ships like this from you, thank you!
What I would like to know is how the Ton Falk stacks up against the Quasar as a escort carrier.
Quasar gets fighters out quickly but this has WAY more internal volume. I'd probably prefer the Quasar for hit and runs (big open hangars will help with quick recovery) but the ton falk for extended engagements.
It's such a beautiful design in my opinion. Substance only utility before any kind of posturing into looking intimidating or anything.
Would you consider doing an updated “Perfect Fleet” video?
I would love to see a video on ridiculous concepts for ships and/or fighters that got the go ahead and actually turned to be a good idea or effective.
Yes, keep this type of content coming BUT with one small addition. While it may seem repetitive to the many captains and rear admirals on here, please give a QUICK rundown on what the ship class means. Don't assume we all know what a capital ship or a corvette is. Otherwise, great stuff, J!
A star destroyer was a combination of a battleship and a carrier. It did carry fighters but yes, a dedicated carrier that could launch thousends of fighters would have had a very real use, especially for close ground support roles.
Basically park it above an enemy instalation and defend it with star destroyers while 5000 Tie fighters decend onto enemies on the planet and claim total air superiority in about 30 seconds flat.
There is no escape from the rebel base and ground forces are completely protected from enemy air units.
I love the vindicator. So I like the idea of you making a review of it some time in the future
I can also see the Tan Falk be used as a micro station in an area for lesser used areas. I think a Rebellion controlled Tan Falk could be an interesting mobile drydock for fighters.
USS Saratoga: Space Above and Beyond deep dive and/or a vs with like the Galactica or something! Space Above and Beyond was my favorite show as a kid and it's criminal it didn't get picked up for another season!!
Is it plausible for a ship to have multiple hyper drives so that it can jump to light speed in different directions, an example would be having one in the back and one in the front so that you could exit hyper space using the rear hyperdrive going forwards and then re-enter hyper space using the front hyperdrive sending the starcraft backwards. I get that hyperspace is an in-between realm of sorts but also thought that it could hypothetically could be a cool mechanic or just something that immediately obliterates the ship, thus I was wondering if this was something possible or even if it has been done before.
Since you asked at the start, I'd love to hear your opinions on the V-wing, I think it's incredible looking but so little is said about it. Maybe a breakdown, maybe a personal thoughts on the ship?
If it’s not a flying triangle they aren’t interested.
Videos for spacecrafts and such? What about breakdowns of all the various military forces and factions active throughout star wars history. Like complete from the ground up. Give basic stats and specs of the various crafts, almost like an archive of star wars ship history and a resource for others to use, all in the same format. The more obscure the better, like a wiki in video form.
I'd like to see a video on the Harrower class dreadnaught from the old republic.
Maybe a VS video where it fights the Dreadnaught heavy cruiser.
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Talking imperial carriers, I much prefer the quasar-fire to this. Obviously this little one has a few more tactical advantages but I like the wedge shape synergy and the point defense turrets and turbolasers of the QF.