I remember reading At Home In The Universe in the 90s and thinking it interesting but questioning whether it actually told us anything useful or that’s not kind of obvious (I remember thinking, “Yes, but it can’t be any other way, which is why it is how it is”). I’ve avoided it since, and while I’m currently at a place where I question the validity and usefulness of ideas at such a degree of abstraction from material reality, perhaps I’ll have to give complexity theory a shot again, especially if you think it pertinent.
When i saw the video title, Canticle for Leibowitz was what i thought of, but didnt expect it to be referenced. I remember being enthralled by that book. Anyone read the very discomfitting (some would say elegaic and humorous) post-apocalyptic novel Love Amongst the Ruins by Walker Percy; strangely held in high regard by some Catholics.
Oh yeah if it wasn't obvious yet: There is a difference between recruiting journalists from local newspapers vs recruiting em from college. So it's not just a matter of sponsors at the big newspaper.
Squirrels pretend to bury nuts in order to fake out other squirrels that (they think) are or might be watching. I would assume that lying is definitely one of the reasons for the creation of language, but the primary reason? Interesting speculation, but it’s definitely not the reason why it’s adaptive (which I realize is a completely different question).
@@VarnVlog I'm most likely projecting from my own given orientation, but I've been very frustrated with the growth/de-growth debates; and while I agree that Saito and Foster are being anachronistic in their priority to reframe Marx and Engels towards some eco-centric discoverability via their notes and writings, I also believe that combating this (or attacking todays problems in general) by framing everything in a Malthusian vs. non-Malthusian rubric is itself anachronistic, especially if we look at the stark differences between certain limitations at the time of Marx's life and after vs. now. I'm planning on giving a presentation about this at Tucon in October, and hopefully I'll have ironed out something cogent by then. Your swath here is broader, but it still presents uncomfortable questions where it concerns complexity and what the left is failing to confront in a reasonable way. I'm fixated on these issues as it concerns material limitations more strictly where I believe the left is more charitable to the promises of "innovation" than it should be. One undeniable overlap in these terms (that is, the material vs. the broader societal), however, is trade and globalization, which I'm hoping I can work out as a primary caveat for how we approach these issues. What I am observing is that your interviews with Huber, Phillips, Moore, and Foster have held some of these broader observations back thus far. As they probably should. There's a time and place for everything, of course. Or maybe you did not have it in back of mind some of these broader considerations while you were engaging with those writers. But I certainly did.
@@EvanWells1 I do not agree any one set of answers here but Moore and Foster are very different than Huber and Philips. Malthusianism is wrong and it has always been wrong, although it was closer to true in pre-Industrial societies, but even there it was not general human activity that generated large scales of human environmental degeneration but classed elite over-exploitation of resources. The issue here is that complexity is a better way to understand this than either Malthusian or developmentalist paradigms, but it is intensely unpopular.
@@Experimental-Unit I like how you pretend to have have standards when telling me to read Baudrillard who systematically almost never backed up his point with anything more than an anecdote than then ask for rigor in regards to common language. The bad incentive structure to journalists are obvious and I have covered it. I am not re-capping every point every time. So if you want to talk about super annoying, its superfical critiques from the likes of you who is also asking me to get more obscure parts of your favorite theorists.
OK Gothy Marx. It is hereby recognized among the workers of the world that anyone who uses the word 'pedagogy' will be forever anointed as an elitist snob that mostly smells their own farts while pretending to address the problems of humanity in a perpetual intellectually narcissist cloud of corn syrup smelling gas. But Canticle is a good book. So you get a pass this time. I guess.
But I suppose Paolo Freire was an elitist because he wrote pedagogy of the oppressed while teaching illiterate Brazilians to trust themselves as they learned instead of depending on a teacher as a storehouse of knowledge and instead of viewing them as a facilitator. You know, because of a word choice common to a field.
@@VarnVlog I strive to make things entirely unmarketable, unsellable, uninspiring, unuseful - a drain on the international machine that grinds us all. Nails on a chalk board ever so tiny but present in the ear of this world-sized horseshit exploitable labor farm and factory. I claim no knowledge. I respect your knowledge and I will continue to watch. But you are a little high strung man, for the little you do, and the little all this means. 'Pedagogy' is a virtue signal. But I just see your hostility as an effect of you still being young. Why don't you do something useful like write a new constitution? Other than just preaching incessantly to anyone but sinners?
Always appreciated your thoughts on this range of topics in particular.
Merry equinox:🎉
Love that you're exploring complexity❤
It's been a key theme for a long time.
Appreciate the discussion.
Big algorithm™
I remember reading At Home In The Universe in the 90s and thinking it interesting but questioning whether it actually told us anything useful or that’s not kind of obvious (I remember thinking, “Yes, but it can’t be any other way, which is why it is how it is”). I’ve avoided it since, and while I’m currently at a place where I question the validity and usefulness of ideas at such a degree of abstraction from material reality, perhaps I’ll have to give complexity theory a shot again, especially if you think it pertinent.
I'm definitely grateful for reflection over punditry.
When i saw the video title, Canticle for Leibowitz was what i thought of, but didnt expect it to be referenced. I remember being enthralled by that book.
Anyone read the very discomfitting (some would say elegaic and humorous) post-apocalyptic novel Love Amongst the Ruins by Walker Percy; strangely held in high regard by some Catholics.
Always appreciate your thoughts. Thanks!
I'm happy to hear more of the complexity stuff. Do you think you'll ever have Amir (Cold and Dark Stars) back?
Amir is a personal friend, but he hasn't come on shows in a long time. I can check
@@VarnVlog His blog was really excellent stuff.
More Amir would be great
Thank you, I laughed out loud
The Godfather is an incredibly readable book and deserves to stand on its own.
Oh yeah if it wasn't obvious yet: There is a difference between recruiting journalists from local newspapers vs recruiting em from college. So it's not just a matter of sponsors at the big newspaper.
Squirrels pretend to bury nuts in order to fake out other squirrels that (they think) are or might be watching. I would assume that lying is definitely one of the reasons for the creation of language, but the primary reason? Interesting speculation, but it’s definitely not the reason why it’s adaptive (which I realize is a completely different question).
I wonder if I am a cypherer
You've had your lips pursed on these controversies for awhile.
@@EvanWells1 which controversies?
@@VarnVlog I'm most likely projecting from my own given orientation, but I've been very frustrated with the growth/de-growth debates; and while I agree that Saito and Foster are being anachronistic in their priority to reframe Marx and Engels towards some eco-centric discoverability via their notes and writings, I also believe that combating this (or attacking todays problems in general) by framing everything in a Malthusian vs. non-Malthusian rubric is itself anachronistic, especially if we look at the stark differences between certain limitations at the time of Marx's life and after vs. now. I'm planning on giving a presentation about this at Tucon in October, and hopefully I'll have ironed out something cogent by then. Your swath here is broader, but it still presents uncomfortable questions where it concerns complexity and what the left is failing to confront in a reasonable way. I'm fixated on these issues as it concerns material limitations more strictly where I believe the left is more charitable to the promises of "innovation" than it should be. One undeniable overlap in these terms (that is, the material vs. the broader societal), however, is trade and globalization, which I'm hoping I can work out as a primary caveat for how we approach these issues. What I am observing is that your interviews with Huber, Phillips, Moore, and Foster have held some of these broader observations back thus far. As they probably should. There's a time and place for everything, of course. Or maybe you did not have it in back of mind some of these broader considerations while you were engaging with those writers. But I certainly did.
@@EvanWells1 I do not agree any one set of answers here but Moore and Foster are very different than Huber and Philips. Malthusianism is wrong and it has always been wrong, although it was closer to true in pre-Industrial societies, but even there it was not general human activity that generated large scales of human environmental degeneration but classed elite over-exploitation of resources. The issue here is that complexity is a better way to understand this than either Malthusian or developmentalist paradigms, but it is intensely unpopular.
Hey
Interested to see you engage with Baudrillard's idea of hypertelia
Also how about Veblen's exploit? By this standard we all exploit plants, etc.
Also, super annoying when you lay down some categorical judgment like "journos have bad incentive structures" and give zero backup, happens a lot tbh
Also would be helpful to redefine your terms of art like cipher, do you expect people to watch all your dour videos or something
@@Experimental-Unit I like how you pretend to have have standards when telling me to read Baudrillard who systematically almost never backed up his point with anything more than an anecdote than then ask for rigor in regards to common language. The bad incentive structure to journalists are obvious and I have covered it. I am not re-capping every point every time. So if you want to talk about super annoying, its superfical critiques from the likes of you who is also asking me to get more obscure parts of your favorite theorists.
@@Experimental-Unit Cipher is not a term of art. I hear the NYT writers use in the exact same way I did.
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OK Gothy Marx. It is hereby recognized among the workers of the world that anyone who uses the word 'pedagogy' will be forever anointed as an elitist snob that mostly smells their own farts while pretending to address the problems of humanity in a perpetual intellectually narcissist cloud of corn syrup smelling gas. But Canticle is a good book. So you get a pass this time. I guess.
Can I join your revolutionary vanguard, comrade?
"Unmarketable Post-medium Art" feels fairly obscure versus the word that is used by teachers for their theory of education, but you do you.
But I suppose Paolo Freire was an elitist because he wrote pedagogy of the oppressed while teaching illiterate Brazilians to trust themselves as they learned instead of depending on a teacher as a storehouse of knowledge and instead of viewing them as a facilitator. You know, because of a word choice common to a field.
@@VarnVlog I strive to make things entirely unmarketable, unsellable, uninspiring, unuseful - a drain on the international machine that grinds us all. Nails on a chalk board ever so tiny but present in the ear of this world-sized horseshit exploitable labor farm and factory. I claim no knowledge. I respect your knowledge and I will continue to watch. But you are a little high strung man, for the little you do, and the little all this means. 'Pedagogy' is a virtue signal. But I just see your hostility as an effect of you still being young. Why don't you do something useful like write a new constitution? Other than just preaching incessantly to anyone but sinners?
So you don't know what it means?