Amtrak Pacific Parlour Cars Funeral Procession 4K
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2018
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Amtrak, in a recent poorly conceived decision, decided to retire the five Pacific Parlour Cars that were well known and appreciated on the Coast Starlight.
On February 17 and 18, 2018, these cars departed Los Angeles on the eastbound Southwest Chief where we were fortunate to catch them in Albuquerque and Lamy, New Mexico.
Evan Stair, of the Friends of the Southwest Chief, writes:
"Pacific Parlor Car Significance
The Pacific Parlor Cars were originally purchased by the Santa Fe Railway in the 1950s for the Chicago-Kansas City-Los Angeles El Capitan. The El Capitan was the first extra fare Hi-Level intercity coach passenger train.
Three types of cars were purchased. These included coaches, diners, and these lounge cars. Eventually, the Hi-Level equipment spread out over the entire Santa Fe passenger system. You would see Hi-Level coaches on trains such as the Texas Chief and the San Francisco Chief.
Amtrak took over Santa Fe passenger operations in 1971. The Hi-Level cars constituted a portion of the Santa Fe's payment for joining Amtrak. The Santa Fe transferred other cars to Amtrak, but the Hi-Level cars were unique. In fact, they inspired Amtrak to work with car manufacturers to design and build the Superliners you see today.
The cars migrated to the Coast Starlight and were renamed the Pacific Parlor Cars. These are the last first class lounge cars to run on any Amtrak passenger train. They were unique to the Coast Starlight as their simply were not enough of them to use on other routes.
Re-purposed, the Pacific Parlor Cars were intended to be only for sleeping car passengers while the Superliner Sightseer Lounge was intended for coach passengers. Amtrak CEO Richard Anderson believed these non-revenue cars were an extravagant, non-standard expense the company could no longer afford. No doubt Anderson's tenure at Delta Airlines has him cutting every possible amenity to squeeze the last penny out of ever dollar.
It is a sad day as Amtrak continues to chase the impossible dream of self-sufficiency. As it does so, even though Congress removed the for-profit mandate from law in the 1990s, it makes train travel just a bit less enjoyable in the US."
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So much for any future use of the Pacific Parlour Car fleet. Once again Amtrak under Anderson shows no vision. They won’t even move your car by Amtrak. Pathetic.All five ex-Santa Fe Hi-Level Lounge Cars, eg. the entire Pacific Parlour Car Fleet are in the sale list, plus Heritage Fleet baggage cars, P42 and F40 locomotives and even an Horizon Fleet set of cars.Subject: Fwd: Sale Offer Diesel Locomotives and Railcars (48 Total Units)October 17, 2018
Sales Offer: 2019-02
BID CLOSING DATE: NOVEMBER 14, 2018
Yard Limit Out of curiosity do you know who won the bid(s) on these cars?
Where can I bid on the purchase of any used view liners, super liners or parlors left over?
@@divox9pqr Amtrak occasionally puts up cars for bid. Here's some information on that, although this is from two years ago. It might lead you in the right direction. trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2018/10/18-amtrak-to-sell-parlour-cars-locomotives-as-surplus
@@YardLimit Richard Anderson is already gone now because he already got fired, he’s no longer CEO, not anymore because what he did to Amtrak was unforgivable. Serves him right and good riddance, he’ll never come back and we’ll never see him ever again. That is the last of him!
Back in 2005, I took my family on a train vacation, starting on the Southwest Chief in Flagstaff, then up the coast on the Coast Starlight. I had seen the cars on Coast Starlight consists many times in Eugene Oregon, and I was really excited to be able to experience the Pacific Parlour car as a passenger. Then they told me it would not be in the consist due to maintenance. I was crushed. The Pacific Parlour car lives on as part of my Coast Starlight consist on my N Scale layout. Thats as close as I'll ever get now. R.I.P.
RIP indeed. One of the dumbest decisions that Amtrak has made.
@@YardLimit Agreed.
Really hoping these amazing coaches don't get scrapped... super bummed I never got a chance to use one!
I agree. I was born in 1954 and rode the Super Chief/El Capitan several times growing up. It's very possible that I have been in one or more of these cars. Thanks for watching!
If I remember correctly, the Pacific Parlour Cars were sold to another company for use as private cars that could be chartered by certain people.
Thank God!
Amtrak needs a new CEO. Their present one is a disaster placed there in an attempt to pick Amtrak apart from within.
Keep writing your congressional representatives!
At least the Chicago Metra is still using heritage passenger cars, bi - level Pullman commuter passenger cars, that were originally used on Chicago and northwestern railway commuter trains during the 1950s and 60s.
I think this is a mistake for Amtrak to eliminate these passenger cars and other dining cars because it is more comfortable to eat in the dining car than in the sleeping car.
I was riding the Coast Starlight before the Pacific Parlor cars come into being, and will continue to ride, but will miss them just the same. They made the sleeper car experience just that more enjoyable. Hopefully they bring them back. A bad move!
They won't unless the Anderson guy goes away. Thanks for watching!
Yes, we can hope!
@@YardLimit i hope Amtrak will replace the old parlor cars with new parlor cars or remodel them
Very nice video. Sad to see these historic cars being retired.
So Sad, the legends ride the rails that it once did sixty years ago
How true. Thanks for watching!
They were part of my childhood
my Wife and I have been researching for a train vacation. i found out about the parlour car, and it's retirement within 30 minutes. lol
It was a big deal when it happened. I hope you find a good train vacation!
Nice to see ex ATSF Bi-Levels on the rear
The end of an era sad to say. Hopefully these get refurbished for display use or something. The video was an awesome portrayal of the cars and well presented in your video! big thumbs up and thanks for sharing!
Thank you, Daryl! I hope they are turned into private cars or excursion cars so that they are still on the rails. They are indeed part of history.
Yard Limit Yes indeed! And i just got the last 2 today in inclement weather lol! thanks again!
Good for you for doing that! It was blowing almost 40 mph in Lamy yesterday!
Yard Limit wow!! the things we do for trains!!
I certainly hope at least one of those Pacific Parlour cars got preserved
I hope they all find good homes.
7:40 - Release the tumbleweed!
Excellent video Tom. You hate to see that happen. Enjoyed the background music.
Thanks, Pete. I figured that since so many people were acting like it was the end of railroading as we know it, I'd just capitalize on that.
A couple of them, now are owned by the Steam Railroading Institute!
Glad they found a good home!
Well done!!! It's always a tough thing to have to accept. I wonder about a lot of decisions that have been made in railroading and the motivations behind them. Excellent video Tom.
Thank you, Hans. The motivation is always about money and politicians believing that the government doesn't have any business providing transportation. Maybe..., I don't know. I do know that Amtrak serves many communities in New Mexico that have no other public transportation.
I just don't trust any politicians. I always think they're trying to pocket the money themselves.
I think Amtrak is focusing more communities in larger cities rather than in smaller rural communities.
Great Video! I had the privilege of being on both of these train. It was a pleasure meeting you in Lamy as well.
Thanks Jason! It was great to meet you and really made my day when you recognized me as Yard Limit. My name is Thomas Scalf. You guys on Amtrak are great and it's always a pleasure to shoot video of your trains!
I remember riding & watched the movie BOLT downstairs & doing wine tasting will surely miss those cars
Sounds like a great memory!
At least they gave the old girls the decency of going over the Transcon one last time
How true.
Does anyone know why they chose to get rid of these? I was told by an attendant that they were sold.
Well, that sucks! Glad I got to ride them when I did!
Great Tribute. Wish they were still in service on the Coast Starlight
Thank you!
The Pacific Parlour cars were originally used on the Santa Fe railroads El Capitan, San Francisco Chief, Super Chief, Chief, Texas Chief trains, for a while they were used on the Coast Starlight. It would be nice if a few of those cars would go to the Illinois railroad museum & even the Smithsonion Institute or even a tourist railroad. Those were very nic passenger train cars. The Santa Fe always loved passenger service, so did the Seaboard Coast Line railroad, this was in the pre Amtrak days.
Good information! Thanks for watching!
Definitely a poor decision. That is what happens when non-railroaders operate railroads. All decisions are based on a mis-interpretation of facts.
I'm sure you've heard of his decision to discontinue excursion trains and limit the transportation of private cars.
Awesome video, Tom.
Thanks Parker!
Very nice video!
Thank you, Chris. Looking forward to seeing yours!
Nice to see two cars being moved on one Southwest chief! I guess they were allowing passengers to ride in them as coach seating, since they were the the 8th and 9th cars!
These cars were deadheading so passengers weren't allowed in them. Thanks for watching!
MrBnsftrain Typically deadheads run in front of the baggage car, but I think this trip they ran at the rear of the train because this was a last minute affair. Amtrak tried to ship out some of the cars one day but experienced mechanical problems with them, so they were delayed to the next Southwest Chief.
Great video! I love the sound at 0:37!
Thank you!
Excellent but sad catch Tom. My sister and I were fortunate to ride in one of the parlor cars on the Coast Starlight in September 2016. What beautiful trip that was; L A to Seattle. We have family in Yakima so I was hoping to squeeze in one more trip to experience the parlor car, I had no idea they were being taken out of service until I started seeing the youtube videos posted.
Thanks for taking these last shots for posterity sake. Excellent as always, enjoyed the music as well
Greetings from Orange County California;
- Larry
Thanks Larry. There wasn't much notice that they were taking them out of service. I may have ridden one back in the day when they were on the Super Chief/El Capitan, but I wasn't really clued into different types of cars back then. Of course I definitely remember the dome car!
Wow, you got to ride in the Super Chief/ El Capitian; the dome car you're referring to, was it the Pleasure dome!? I was born in 57 and I always wished that I could have experienced train travel at it's pinnacle.
- Larry
I don't know which dome car it was. We rode between ABQ and CHI several times growing up. My grandparents lived in Indianapolis so they'd drive up to CHI to pick us up. It wasn't long before air travel became a better choice. I remember one trip on a Lockheed Constellation that was pretty cool. I was born in 54 by the way.
Wow that is pretty cool, nice looking 4 prop. I have always been interested in aviation although I know a little more about railroading.
Me too, last year. I sure did enjoy the Wine & Cheese tasting in the PPC on the Coast SL.
It’s too sad I didn’t get to see the Pacific parlor cars. I wish I could see them on the Amtrak Texas Eagle
They were only on the Coast Starlight. It was great to at least see them one last time.
Yard Limit what about the Southwest Chief?
I meant they ran regularly on the Coast Starlight. They were deadheading on the SWC.
Pretty cool
Thanks Carla!
This is sad as I rode on it many times at Coaststar Light. If I had the money would purchase it and travel in a private car.
That's for sure!
I saw that i thought it was a normal amtrak southwest chief train. But then i got on the NMRX train that arrived. I was tacking pictures with my gopro. But then i noticed that train had 2 pacfic parlor cars i didn't have my camera on when i passed them but i can tell you thoes are the same exact locomotives
At least you got to see them.
True.
R.I.P parlour car form 1982-2018
Also Amtrak approved a new insurance policy last spring and that new insurance policy prevents Amtrak from hosting heritage excursion trains and carrying private heritage passenger cars on its regular schedule trains.
Nice video sad to see them go hope they add a new car to replace them
Don't count on it.
I’m going to play devil’s advocate- these were 60 year old train cars. They weren’t owned by a heritage railroad running excursions twice a year, these were in daily, long-distance use on class I rail. Eventually, metal fatigue, cracks, and corrosion become safety issues.
Hats off to the manufacturers, though, I doubt they foresaw their creations lasting this long.
I think this was bought by an excursion company. Anyone know for sure?
Very sad
Very sad, indeed. Thanks for watching!
Yard Limit what happened to 44? It looks scratched up
Neat catch! Looks like they've seen some better days sadly.
They had just been taken out of service so I think they were pretty nice inside. I hope that continues with new owners!
why not Amtrak buy new rolling stock because the superliners and the amfleet train cars are built in the 1970s and why not Amtrak built a new pacific parlour car with a new design and new look and same with that great dome as well
Why not?
@@YardLimit because of democrats got rid of american passenger rolling stock manufactures and replaced it with asian canadian and european passenger rolling stock manufactures and the democrats were paid off by the foreign passenger rolling stock manufactures
Those are old school but beauties. What is your camera?
I shoot with two Panasonic HC-VX981 4K camcorders.
this feels like the late 1960s again. during that time passenger trains were downsizing because they loss many riders, and most of those passenger trains eliminated their dining cars as well as lounge cars and sleeping cars.
Well, that's why Amtrak came into existence. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.
@@YardLimit unless everyone uses uber for transportation.
How many pacific parlour cars did amtrak have?
Its Richard Anderson's fault that the cars are gone.
Five as mentioned in the description. Yes, it's Anderson's fault but it's ultimately the fault of those that voted for Trump.
I must have over read the number. Its mostly Anderson fault but actually it's mostly the amtrak board's fault for letting Wick Moorman go and putting a former airline ceo in that spot. The president has notting to do with that at all.
www.forbes.com/sites/georgebradt/2017/07/05/how-new-amtrak-ceo-richard-anderson-must-deal-with-his-real-boss-donald-trump/#621ed9853933
Forbes is fake news. Its all the fault of the board of amtrak that the parlor cars and wick moorman are gone and that was made a decision in 2016 even before the president won the election
And I am ending this conversation. Keep up the good work on the videos.
Sad to see them go. Any idea where they are going for now?
They are going to the Amtrak facility in Beech Grove, Indiana.
Yard Limit I was wondering if they were. I'm going to go have stop at that yard to see them if they are there while I'm home in Indy this weekend
Let us know.
Yard Limit just went by the shops they are there all of the parlours are there they have tucked away in the back so getting photos are not great right now but they might move them around who knows but yes they are at the beech Grove shops
Thanks for the update. Hopefully someone will buy them and preserve them.
sad
What I wish for America is: 'Make the railways great again!' Kansas City to Denver is 3 hours, Dallas to Los Angeles in 7 hours. Think of what progress high speed trains could bring to your country! By the way, it should make the present president happy: a lot of construction for making new infrastructure and a ,ot of jobs. Then the removal of old parlour cars from active duty wouldn't be so hard, as long as few of them will be preserved. Best wishes from Europe.
Thank you, Wouter! Public transportation projects usually happen under more progressive leadership. We will see what happens.
Will any of these cars be preserved
Hopefully to some excursion lines or private buyers.
Museums
Too
It's not likely. My local museum wants one but Amtrak has not responded to their request.
Many people already know but Amtrak DONATED a AEM-7 to the RR Museum of PA
Will they scrap them? Or put them in a museum or something
Or something. No one knows yet.
If I remember correctly, the Pacific Parlour Cars were sold to another company for use as private cars that could be chartered by certain people.
You know this pathetic , over in Canada via rail still uses passenger cars that were built in the 1940s and 50s and they’re modernized. Why couldn’t Amtrak have done the same thing with it’s heritage fleet equipment. I wish they were still in service. Also for the employees who work for Amtrak what do you guys think of this piece of crap Anderson ?
There are several tourist railroads that have happily bought up heritage cars and restored them.
🚃. 😇
Sad, just that airline people know nothing about running a railroad. The problem is that under the Trump administration things will only get worse.
Airline people don't seem to be very good at running airlines either. I agree that many things are getting worse under tRump and Amtrak is probably going to suffer as well. Thanks for watching, Charles!
I like that tRump.
tRump knows nothing about running a country, and now under his crappy presidency, things are becoming less and less enjoyable.....
The next thing you know, he'll get rid of the dining cars and replace them with vending machines!
Trainzguy 2472 That sounds like the Southern Pacific in the later years of their long-distance passenger service.
It’s just amazing what trump is doing
Please vote later this year and encourage your friends to do the same. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Joe J smart guy man I’m talking about the railroad in general
Do you feel Trump had the time to specifically deal with private rail cars and the old El Capitan cars....Really?
The new president of Amtrak is now going to treat Amtrak like an airline company. In fact Amtrak is going to be like the airlines where they serve complimentary meals rather than having a dining car on trains. This is bad for the traditional way of eating meals on trains.