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TBH the fight itself will depend on just one factor and it's all with Kars "Can he uses curses" If Kars can he have too many things to play with... 1) Curse with infinite sacrifice => Kars can simply create a new life of every DNA he has by cutting his finger and let it grow as an animal of that DNA... Infinite sacrifice glitch... 2) Domain Expansion Life Origin => Domain Expansion is the extension of their existence so the most likely thing Kars will have is origin of life... He had every DNA so he have the qualifications to have that. Just like Mahito's domain to alter all of humanity as he please because he's "curse of humanity" Like just from gaining curse alone just makes Kars unbeatable. However Kars without curses will lost to Mahara because... That monster can just deleted him with his curses attack... Yes he can do that... That's one of his power if he keeps growing and to why it's one of the only few monster that had destroy Gojo's family line.
@@funnybones98not if he's dead though😂, why do people keep talking lik Maho can't be killed before it adapts/ the 'complete' adaptation is instantaneous
@@theonlychickensama8353 at the start of the fight, Kars would prob attempt to kill mahoraga with his blades and hamon, and since we saw what happened when someone tries to slice mahoraga into a million pieces (sukuna) he would just shrug it off and adapt. Kars aint doing anything unless he has time to use that 400 iq of his and recreating malevolent shrine with animal abilities, but by then mahoraga would have already adapted to his trump cards.
Kars' backstory definitely deserves to be fully told in a spin-off manga/novel. It would be fascinating to see how he convinced Esidisi to join him in his search for immortality and the relationships he developed with Wamuu and Santana
I love the fact Kars recovered part of his massive importance in the Lore in the "Crazy Diamond Heartbreakers" manga, with the main villain being a fan/succesor of the fabulous pillar man. Considering that he was literaly the main responsible for the first six JoJo parts, I think his legacy deserves much more recognition, considering that the story is constantly just focusing on DIO's consequences
Any and all phenomenon IS crazy for real. Though Evolution is also no joke, given time Kars may achieve nuclear meltdown, that.. should suffice in eradicating Mahoraga. (His Hamon rivaling the Sun information can be taken multiple ways, including the fact that such mastery mimics fusion reaction)
I see a lot of people focus on the fact that Big Raga’s adaptation is conceptual, Kars’ is biological. What they forget is that the biological adaptation extends to biological processes that produce supernatural effects, i.e., hamon, stands, and, yes, even cursed energy and techniques. Not only that, but Kars can adapt instantly, while Mahoraga takes time to adapt completely. Kars, were he introduced to the JJK universe, could theoretically copy any cursed technique that is, was, or ever will be after only seeing once, and would be able to apply it better than original owners of said techniques. Hell, he could probably create his own version of the 10 shadows technique to fight Mahoraga. Kars is a cheat code against any opponent that originates on planet Earth.
*Fun fact:* Kars is remembered by Old Joseph in the novel "Genesis of the Universe", when the crusaders face a Stand User who is literally a thousand years old. I honestly wished part 3 and 4 would have explored Joseph's thoughts about all the sh*t he went through in his youth, with the second JoJo not wanting Jotaro and Josuke to suffer the same as him in the 30's
In terms of who has the better adaptability, there's arguments for both; Kars is limited to the realm of biology, but can consciously adapt and control how he adapts INSTANTLY. Whereas, Mahoraga can't adapt instantly, being needed to be exposed to a phenomena to adapt. However, Mahoraga has the superior adaptive potential, being able to adapt to ANYTHING conceptually; he adapted to the limitless, which is infinitely dividing space, the infinite void, and slashes that could slice through space and dice anything into dust. Edit; okay, to the smartasses bringing up stands; that’s a NON CANON VERSION. We’re talking about CANON
In the Manga, Mahoraga can also adapt offensively, creating new abilities, even bypassing the strongest hax of the series in a VERY short period of time. Mahoraga vs Kars would probably go something along the lines of: Mahoraga hits Kars once, Kars hits him back. Mahoraga is resistant to Hamon, Kars probably increases his durability with some armor and heals himself. Wheel spins, next attack from Mahoraga can't be healed and just starts to delete Kars. And if you think I'm exaggerating, Mahoraga took 4 wheel spins to develop an ability that cuts reality itself. Kars is limited to DNA on Earth. It won't take more than 1 or 2 spins for Mahoraga to create a technique to just erase biological DNA.
Yeah, but you have to consider if Kars could adapt to Cursed Energy or not. Everything in JJk has it, even if they can't use it, so if Kars can use it, he has every cursed technique now. That's part of why Novel Kars is even possible.
@@randomyoutuber2633 I don't have a problem with Kars using cursed energy, but you have to consider that unlike hamon, Kars never saw a cursed technique before. He has no theoretical knowledge to base himself. And Mahoraga is not living being. Even if Kars' 400IQ let's him learn and quickly better his CE, it's just a much bigger gap for him to reach the necessary mastery to exorcise Mahoraga, than it is for Mahoraga to spin the wheel 2 or 3 times.
@ggwp638BC Honestly, Kars's hamon is as strong as the surface of the sun right? One hit from that should be enough to explode Mahoraga if it flows through his body, which hamon usually does to animals hit by it.
im pretty sure mahoraga is able to adapt to speed since in the battle with gojo, he was completely outmatched at the start, but during the end of the fight he was able to keep up and defend sukuna
Kars honestly could just learn how to use cursed energy and techniques on the spot. i know its not canon but the way Kars capabilities are shown in the Jorge Joestar novel where he simply just copies and improves the stands he sees and likes is probably pretty accurate on what he could canonically do
This is the comment i was looking for. Jorge Joestar is 100% not canon at all. But yeah seeing how he learned hamon instantly, he would probably become the strongest sorcerer in history depending on his technique, and develop a domain expansion. Plus he'd do all of this in after experiencing the tiniest hint of cursed energy (in like 10 seconds). If he couldn't do this i'm with mahoraga tho.
Well you can't learn cursed energy because it's an energy unique to the Jujutsu Kaisen verse and only certain individuals (sorcerers) are capable of even using it. And techniques aren't something you can "learn" either, they are something the user is born with. Hamon is just a technique that utilizes breathing to strengthen the user (also Kars didn't even show the advanced techniques, just the sheer quality of his hamon), not some special kind of energy inherent in the Jojo character thesmelves.
it really depends where this fight takes place, if it’s in a fusion of the 2 worlds or jjba, in space mahoraga accidentally knocks kars into a meteorite containing the forbidden stand juice resulting in a newborn ultimate kars, if it’s in jjk the fight probably lasts until the heat death of the universe kars intentionally kills his own thoughts, cursed energy ceases to exist along with it mahoraga and then kars just turns back on in a cold dead universe
Mahoraga can adapt to speed. It’s not shown well in the anime, but when he’s battle Sukuna in shibuya and gojo after the Cullen games. He adapts to their speed and starts speeding up himself. Also after he gets hit with a few different animal attacks, he’s mostly likely adapt to living tissue in general and develop some kind of disintegration blade. Like how mahoraga got hit with 1 type of slashing attack enough that he just adapted to slashes all together. So when the new slash attack came out, it didn’t matter
I don't think that's how Mahoraga's adaption works exactly. From what I've seen (I've read the manga), he starts adapting after being hit by a type of attack (be it slashes or space manip) which then allows him to adapt to the type of said attack (like how he gained a resistance to Sukuna's slashes). He'd probably only adapt to the type of attacks the animals throw at him. The animals that Kars makes would probably still be useless anyways since he could really just.. step on them.
Mahoraga has never been shown to adapt to raw stats, the one in the gojo fight was being amped by sukuna's cursed energy, like the rest of the 10 shadows.
@franksarria9693 If he was amped by sukuna he would have been matching with gojo at the very start of the fight, however he only matched gojo when he started adapting
@@franksarria9693 he goes from being blitzed to being relative to sukuna in speed during shibuya. “His ability is to adapt to ANY AND ALL phenomena” speed is a phenomena
I don’t think he adapts to speed. The thing in the Gojo fight that people have to remember is Mahoraga starts catching up very late in the fight, where Gojo has been fighting Mahoraga and Sukuna 2v1 and then them and that other summon 3v1, and this is after multiple Domain clashes and using RCT.
If Kars' Hamon is strong enough to one shot Mahoraga, then he could just save that for the end while having Mahoraga adapt to his other abilities. Basically the same strategy as Sukuna.
kindly share your source of info delulu being , ???!?? its clearly written and described that kars the highest lifeform could move 10 times the speed of sound , copy all biological beings phenomenons And amplify any process by 100 times whereas puny mahoraga moved even slower than an average fly given he was atleast 10 times slower than 10 finger sukuna which was half as capable of moving at the speed of sound as max spd of 20 finger ultimate sukuna is mach 3 aka speed of sound now to the physical aspect hamon is superior onr compared to cursed energy as one is derived from negative emotions while other is life form itself ANd that was just regular hamon , kARS hAMON has the potential to destroy the entire palnet given its "said to be exactly as intense and strong as the sun itself" and if you know even a little bit of physics , Sun's full power radiation at a close distance would melt the Earth and destroy it and Im not done yet .....kars could multiply himself by binary fission of bacteria to havbe 100000 versions of himself each 100 power amplified than the original and imagine all of them using hamon at once...LOL Kars could very easily speed blitz annhilate the entire jjk universe in a second@@SleepingSoulK
If Hamon can hurt Mahoraga, he would adapt to that can basically become immune to it, he can also adapt to the defensive abilities his opponents, so he should win off that alone.
No yes if kars doesn't blast him with hamon. He has so many other options to just keep attacking. Also mahoraga can only adapt to one type of attack and has to reset
@@silvertongue.242_99 when was it stated that mahoraga can only adapt to a single phenomena at a time? Unless I'm missing something I don't remember that being to case.
A fun scenario in my head I'd imagine were if after Kars floated around in space as a statue (but didn't completely stop thinking as the manga insinuated) what if it drifted into an alternate universe and collide into the surface of Mars, he reverts back to his self and encounters the Terra Formars? That's a Death Battle I'd love to watch, even if it's likely Kars could wipe them out.
Just realized something, Kars can pull a Geto and make his brain function like a sorcerer's brain, and instantly master Cursed Energy with his 400 iq and instant adaptation. He is also quick enough to do something like that, being the speed of light and all. The real question is this: Can Kars instantly master any cursed technique if this works? If so, Maho is cooked. If not, then it's a 50/50 Edit: If he used every single type of venom, then Mahoraga might not be able to adapt to all of the effects of them, like feeling suicidal, sensing doom, rotting away, getting melted, getting your body and nervous system shut down, and that's just one type of Venom, m that can do that to you, let alone the hundreds of Venom like the stone fish which has hundreds of different poisons mixed together. That might give Kars enough time to win. This is also hoping Kars isn't in character and is bloodlusted.
Unfortunately, kars thinks very highly of himself, his ego could be his downfall like for joseph, he might underestimate mahoraga and use weak attacks mahoraga can addapt to, and when kars realises his mistakes it will be too late
@@minhtranquoc8122 Kars couldn't even one shot Joseph with his hamon and only damaged his leg. I'm pretty sure Mahoraga is more durable than a peak/enhanced human.
Alot people are talking about hamon and stuff and adapt. But everyone is clearly forgetting the speed gap. Mahoraga was at max hypersonic (Only able to keep up with Sukuna and Gojo) . Kars base form was already faster than Joseph(In manga Joseph reacted to Aja beam which if im correct 2x speed of light). Kars also reacted to UV beam and reflexes which is obviously light speed Kars blade is literally just Sukuna Cleave but faster. We seen mahoraga durability is only building to multi building.(The cleave effectively cut him). For people saying Mahoraga can adapt to Kars speed. Light speed is hundred way faster than Hypersonic,so fast that it would be like a time stop. How can mahoraga adapt to a speed he cant see. Knowing how fast Kars slices (Shown in The car scene) It safe to say Kars has his own version of Cleave. And we are forgetting the fact Kars instantly evolve. Mahoraga takes spin to evolve. Knowing very well mahoraga can only focus to adapt on a single thing. There is more than a million species of animal(An insect has 950k species if im Correct). So even if Mahoraga can adapt INSTANTLY. He would need to adapt to all of it one by one. Forgetting Pistol Shrimp animal,That can make 218 decibel sound. So fast And shoot a water so hot it hotter than a lava (8000⁰c) Now imagine doing that. Mahoraga was already getting fucked by a single fire arrow. I doubt he could survived a Pistol shrimp times by 100x strength And Mahoraga in term of travel speed is not even close to Mach 5. Even Blackbird Jet is faster than Mahoraga. Meanwhile Peregrine falcon 100x would be insane. A single Peregrine falcon would been in the speed of a speeding bullet. 100x of that.. Remember,Mahoraga was shown in full potential. Kars wasnt. He newly achieved ULF,was insane at Joseph. And the only way effectively beating him was making him go insane(He could have survive the space had he not chose the wrong option. But that cause he went insane after Joseph detailed planning) I cant wait to see grown Full potential Mahoraga Vs newly borned unmastered ULF kars And sees mahoraga spin his wheel more than millions times just to adapt to the biology of all the animal kars had.
Nope gojo was blitzing mahoraga but in the end mahoraga was adapted to the speed so in theory yes he can adapt to your speed he’ll he can adapt to anything as long as it’s Not one shotted
I can understand if we're only basing off of anime mahoraga but kars here is based on guide books, anime, and manga all together so it's only fair to have mahoraga be based on the same. In the manga, mahoraga's adaptation isn't only limited to defense but also offense. So yes he's able to keep up with sukuna and gojo in terms of speed, able to adapt defense to be immune to sukuna's cleave and gojo's infinite void, and able to adapt his attacks to be able to cut through infinity. It's far more likely that mahoraga will adapt faster than kars can deal a lethal blow, at base, mahoraga has higher than most special grade durability which i highly doubt an intense sunray is gonna vaporize him that quickly. The part where i do agree tho is in battle IQ, kars might just outsmart him since mahoraga is basically braindead in most cases outside of his adaptation
What happen if Gojo fought Okuyasu or Vanilla Ice? I think Gojo beat Okuyasu because Okuyasu isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but lets say Okuyasu is as smart as lets say Fugo.
the thing about jojo characters is that their stands are fast as fuck, but the characters themselves are just regular people. So unless they have an automatic defence (Like GER) they should just get speed blitzed a lot of the time
Here's a thought for you: Could Kars alter himself to be able to use Cursed Energy? I'm pretty sure CE is biological in origin, but USED as a spiritual expression, which is how non-sorcerers can now use CE in the Culling Games, because they were physically altered somehow. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course
Mahito practically altered Junpei's brain to be like a sorcerer's so it's inherently biological. Kars could 100% do that if he were in the JJK verse. (Edit: Mahito did this by altering the shape of Junpei's soul, which then led to his body also changing. Kars can manipulate his biology which would allow him to use CE in this case)
It's a different verse so even if it was biological in JJK, it is not in Jojo. Wouldn't make sense for the mask to give you the ability to adapt to power systems from other universes when it can't even grant Kars the ability to survive in space.
i think its gotta be kars who wins, since this fight is just ultimately decided by who lands their hit first. and since kars has instant adaption and mahoraga doesn't, if kars can cook up some diabolical oneshot move using his massive iq he can obliterate mahoraga before he can adapt. even if he couldnt be able to oneshot mahoraga, kars will be far more cunning and strategic than mahoraga due to having a higher intelligence, using his massive array of abilities to constantly keep mahoraga on edge. from what we know mahoraga cannot copy techniques, but rather counter them, such as how he became immune to slashing attacks during his fight with sukuna and how he could bypass infinity in sukuna vs gojo. essentially mahoraga's offensive capabilities and his intelligence are pretty limited, while kars has the intelligence and the array of abilities which just puts him on a bigger advantage over mahoraga. im more of a bigger jojo fan than jjk so this may be biased, and do correct me if im wrong on any information
thing is, Mahoraga adapts his offense as well as his defense. If he were to realize the nature of Kars' adaptation, he'd find a way to counter it. And considering Kars' adaptation is purely biological, i don't think it would take long for mahoraga to adapt to it. His adaptation varies in the face of complexity, and can adapt to multiple phenomenon at once depending on what hes being struck by (he adapted to all forms of slashes, even if sukuna only hit him with one type) So for example, if Kars were to strike Mahoraga with a venomous bite or a form of paralysis for example, Mahoraga would adapt to all forms of venom and all types of paralysis after a short while (probably one or two spins, tops). This means that Mahoraga could eventually dry Kars of any offense. Which means kars would *need* to cook up a way to kill mahoraga with the first usage of his attack, which is only possible if he is already fighting mahoraga and has already 'fed' mahoraga a few types of attacks in order for mahoraga to adapt to. its a very weird and context-based fight, to be entirely honest
I asked this question somewhere might as well also ask it here. Who would win between ULF Kars and Makima? Obviously anime manga Kars and not novel Kars
I feel like this is such a fair fight that for both fighters they SHOULD be challenged and relatively evenly matched. Though I think I Kars should also be a direct counter to Mahoraga since when you fight it, if you're a 1 trick pony, you're pretty screwed, but if you have multiple tricks, your odds of winning are higher, the degree however depends on your skill, strength, and intelligence, all of which Kars should have.
Mahoraga's adaptation doesn't mean much when Kars has nigh-limitless options of evolution. He figures out quickly that he needs to kill him in one attack and he melts him with Hammon. Or he can simply absorb him early and be done with it. If Santana, the weakest of the pillar men can absorb living beings with a simple touch, Kars should be much faster
This is the comment i was looking for. Seeing how he learned hamon instantly, he would probably become the strongest sorcerer in history depending on his technique, and develop a domain expansion. Plus he'd do all of this in after experiencing the tiniest hint of cursed energy (in like 10 seconds). If he couldn't do this i'm with mahoraga tho.
@@NatVirgodoubt it Kars would most likely not even be able to damage him with his 100x Hamon and even if he did Mahoraga would adapt to Hamon in general
@@babyblue1443 he tapped Joseph and vaporized a chunk off his body with basic output, imagine if he put effort into it. Also the attack isn’t as hot as the sun but has the intensity of it.
The problem that many comments say is that they try to say "kars can destroy the earth, Its hamon is the same as the surface of the sun" and I don't know what else. But the way this versus should be approached in my opinion is that we take them both in their best version and face them without preparation. Because what they say that Kars could kill him with one hit would only be if Kars knew Mahoraga's ability And in the case of fighting without preparation, my mahoraga has the most chance to win.
Now, while I agree with you on that Mahoraga looses to Ultimate Kars, its not that easy for Kars as you say. Basically, from what we have seen in both the manga and anime, Mahoraga can adapt to any phenomenon that seems to affect him or his actions. From the Manga, Mahoraga couldn't touch Gojo due to his infinity, so he adapted this to counter and cut through Infinity. Against Gojo's Blue, not only did he adapt to basically take almost no damqge drom it, but he mqde himself immune to its pulling effects to counter Blue. When he was hit with Sukuna's Dismantle, he adapted to be able to see the invisible slashes and react to them, but to also deflect them (when he could) and heal from the damage. Another point for Mahoraga is that, he adapts to the source of phenomenon, example being when he adapted to Dismantle, he didn't just adapt to that attack, but also adapted to slashing attack in general, which is why he was able to survive Malevolent Shrine. This gives Mahoraga the advantage against Kars, as it would limit his arsenal by a LOT. Though, there's another weqkness to Mahoraga's adaptation. How many times it takes to spin the wheel? Generally, we learn that it can depend on the attack on how long it will take Sukuna to adapt to something + we have no idea how much time it takes the wheel to spin. Such as Gojo's Blue, it took like 4 spins of the wheel, but it took more spins when trying to adapt to Unlimited Void, due to how complicated in nature it is. So, depending on how complicated the phenomenon in question is, that's how much long it will take Mahoraga to adapt. Which, while could make things worse for Kars, it does make things also easer for him, as Kars will just have to create moves that are very much complicated in concept so he would have more time to use. Not to mention, Kars is too smart and his adaptation is potentially faster than Mahoraga, which means that he would recognize most of what I stated and plan around it, find a way to beat Mahoraga. Kars does win in the end, but its not as easy as some people would think, as Mahoraga's adaptation is way more versitile then at first glance.
Kars has nothing really supernatural outside of the ripple, meaning there Is a limit to how complex he can be, which would make it very easy for mahoraga to adapt to him, at most kars can start bringing out acids and poisons to make it slightly more complicated, kars would have to win fast unless he wants to see mahoraga quickly catch up to him, that entire sukuna fight took less than a minute to happen, we know because sukuna from the moment he took control, was on a 1 minute timer and he spent a lot of his time doing other stuff.
@@nicholas-dv1mg nope, ypur confusing the timers here, this wasn't the 1 minute timer binding vow he had with Yuji. That time was Yuji loosing control due to consuming too many fingers in the same day, giving Sukuna a generous 15 to like 30 mintes, since he did take his time to talk shit around and have a fun fight with Jogo. Also, it doesn't need to be 'supernatural' like we see in jjk, what I mean by 'complex', is how complicated the inner workings are. And as stated in the video, Kars could obtain more powers than the ones from the animal kingdom (which does have like a blood laser eye camelion), literally could obtain other pillarman abilities with enough fire power to one shot Mahoraga. While I said to not underestimate Mahoraga, you shouldn'tals underestimate Kars too.
Wouldn't most of Kars' attacks be simple since they'd be based on what animals are capable of? Anything besides Hamon shouldn't take that many spins of his wheel. Slashing, biting, and blunt force would be adapted to quickly. Unsure about venom. Some animals attack using electricity. None of it complicated.
@@stanner601 Same answer as above. Like, watch the video brief on Kars the guy made, or watch his Kars vs Sukuna, cuz they go more into Kars' moveset there
one thing I'd like to note is the existence of tardigrades and flathead worms (i think thats what they're called). Tardigrades can survive so much bullshit, like the void of space, absolute zero, over 140 degrees celsius, and more. Then there's the worms, which are made basically out of STEM cells. This means that if you cut it in half, the pieces don't rejoin, you have two worms. If you slice and dice it, you can end up with thousands of worms. By extension, Kars would have these abilities: temperature resistance, self-sustenance, regeneration, and even duplication if a piece of him were to get seperated from another piece.
Honestly the only thing I'd give Kars is maybe speed, though I don't have exact scalling of speed for either of them and maybe strength if his strength gradually adapts.
Kars would be able to use curse energy better than even sukuna, since he has every ability of every being on earth, demonstrated by his extreme skill in hamon on his first try. Him seeing curses or not is not an issue at all
Mahoraga wins if kars doesn't do something insane fast Most of kars normal attacks are brunt force and slashes So given a bit of time and a large part of kar's arsenal is gone Hamon is a case that has a good chance if used early as its heat and kinetic and could target the insides of mahoraga Eventually kars would need to use elemets like electric to affect mahoraga kars needs to keep aspects active such as rock armour while mahoraga has his resistances always on Assuming kars starts slow and doesn't use his more "unqiue" abilities mahoraga wins
yeah i think kars could morph his biology enough to generate a town level hamon blast to destroy mahoraga. It would just need to land and not have a huge charge time i guess
Mahoraga is immune to slashes and soul attacks thanks to Sukuna. Kars could only really do something very flashy very fast to beat him otherwise nothing happens and they stalemate for a while until Mahoraga adapts. Considering Mahoraga can cut reality I believe that would one shot Kars
I don't see a way for kars to one shot mahoraga aside from possibly hamon and i could totally see mahoraga developing an ability to kill kars. If you include the spin off where kars have access to stands he could easily defeat mahoraga but that's not really cannon. If you do verse equalization where kars and mahoraga can possibly access the other verse's power system kars might absolutely destroy using curse energy and techniques since he mastered hamon instantly. So maho wins 9/10 when you only consider cannonical feats but kars have the potential to destroy if verse equalization and novel feats are considered.
I might seem like I'm meat riding kars, but kars was kinda stupid op in the novel, he saw stands which imo aren't biologically based and he just copied and made improved versions there isn't really reasons why he can't just go I want that when he see curse energy and techniques I do believe that in base mahoraga could develop something that works like vanilla ice or the hand to erase kars if given enough time but the abilities of Kars isn't really that fleshed out since he died before really showing his true capabilities with hamon or how he'd interact with other abilities.
the thing that a lot of peopole miss is that kars doesn't just adapt biologically but can also adapt to any type of energy, power, and even supernatural forces, meaning he will sense the cursed energy radiating from mahoraga then he'll be able to use cursed energy at max levels of mastery then use his extreme intelligence to figure out how to kill mahoraga just like sukuna did
I mean, mahoraga can adapt but not "instantly" like kars, but we could say that kars wins high-dif, but we dont know, they are both immovable objects and can both adapt to the situation (the one can adapt instantly while the one needs to like clarify it first before adapting to it) but in terms of like, raw power, kars can stomp but mahoraga can just use adaptation and just say "fck this situation im gonna adapt to it" and start to toe to toe with kars again, its like big bro vs lil bro but lil bro can adapt to the fight we dont know (i just hope that you talk about novel kars in jjk universe next time)
I would say that it is likely that as soon as kars understands that he needs to disintegrate mahoraga, he will probably adapt to hamon, i would also say that probably mahoraga would adapt to biology, as, somehow, he adapted to "slashes attacks in general" but kars is a little bit too fast for maho in general, i mean the best you can give him is lighting reaction, and that's very generous to him, i could see mahoraga winning in definetely
bro there's 0 chance for even sukuna to beat Ultimate kars so what can mahoraga himself even do . 1 attack from mahoraga he completely evades it effortless and then copies it and returns it 100x more Cursed energy is a form of negative human emotion , And Hamon is life energy with all human source ands soul so just by theory hamon is similar if not superior to cursed energy and now it just makes thus debate meaningless
@@Sohansen-vr8phSukuna gets beat by kars, doesn't mean Mahoraga gets beat by kars, Sukuna cant adapt, Mahoraga can, Sukuna couldn't bypass infinity by himself but Mahoraga did, Mahoraga took less than 5 spibs to adapt to Infinity, this debate is debatable, stop being biased
People keep saying Mahoraga will adapt to Hamon, but what I'm curious about is if Kars could actually replicate/gain CT as well as RCT? If Jujutsu is something that only some humans can posses (not a select few, just a good "handful" of those with mastery over their CT to actually use it), theoretically Kars should be able to adapt his own CT like he did Hamon - which opens the door to a wild kaleidoscope of possibilities to what Kars could have But that's a theoretical, and would require him to witness CT/RCT being used before him (?) in order to replicate
Ok issue is kars uses hamon once. mahoraga adapts. if he tries it again and mahoraga decides to keep adapating he will come up with more ways to counter the same thing When sukuna commented on the adaptation he said that mahoraga adapted not only to his slashes but the concept of cutting in general And when gojo fought him Gojo never once hit him with purple until he knew it would take him out if not GG's Mahoraga adapted to blue and was immune to all space attacks period Purple is like atomic disintigration, existence erasure so it didnt fall under this You are kind of ignoring manga information to give kars this win... Mahoraga adapted to an infinite sized concept, Yorozu's perfect sphere that had like infinite curavture of surface tension or something. And mahoraga also adapted a low level reality warping Slash in order to bypass gojo's infinity by cutting existence itself to get to him. Mahoraga might not make space for kars to get killed but he would make a solution. It would be crazy if kars developed hamon to fight hamon
Well like. If this is the same world like meshing jjk and jojo. Then ultimate kars can copy anything every jujutsu sorcerer does, since everything is genetic in the field of jujutsu
@@ДюсековИльяс That's not how jjk sorcery works though. JJK Sorcery works based on the soul and using the soul to generate cursed energy The soul makes the body not the other way around so unless he has soul information which he does not. Since we know that soul info and body info are different he woudnt really get a crazy boost in potential from it And i dont think that kars cant learn to use cursed energy like i know he is very smart but we already have people in jjk who are equal or better in iq unironically Gojo and sukuna are just better than kenjaku who has lived for up to 3k years. Gojo isnt carried by his six eyes like he was in his teenage years he is just good Even Sukuna thinks he can defeat mahoraga at 3fingers with pure skill and adjustment of his cursed energy like he has a huge hurdle to over come before he actually can do anything substantial with it and by then mahoraga would of killed him Mahoraga has like innate instinct of how to use this stuff already. Can heal from being dust, fight mid bi section, going bigger to before taller than a sky scraper to adjust for a fight etc etc Kars would just be outmatched
@@ДюсековИльяс Not exactly. Kars doesn't master hamon on sight. People forget this but Kars knows everything there is about hamon in theory, the guy fought thousands of hamon users for many years. He has more theoretical knowledge of hamon than any hamon user ever had - the only reason he couldn't use it is because he would die. With his new form, he could use hamon, and so could just apply all this knowledge he had from before. Kars never saw cursed energy, or any cursed techniques. Mahoraga is not a human, it's a shikigami, with no living DNA. Even if Kars can perceive cursed energy it's simply out of the question to assume he would instantly master it and create his own techniques. Even if he has potential to have every cursed technique + six eyes, he doesn't have the knowledge nor time to do it.
Mahoraga could likely adapt to damage Kars. Against Sukuna , it changed it's "damage type" from positive energy to cursed energy And became able to see Sukuna's normally invisible slashes. Well Why wouldn't it adapt the ability to generate radiation ? To destroy Kars' cells and make these cells unable to reproduce , stopping in ability to regenerate AND shapeshift Meanwhile Kars is heavily limited by organisms from Earth
I really really want to see a video by someone like you trying to break down which verse would be one of the best match ups for the majority of JJK. Because a lot of the videos I see (including this one) are JJK top tiers being put up against people who out stat them to the point it’s not even funny, and thus the only conversation to be had is about whether their hax can win it. And that’s cool because we all love the hax. But just once I want I see some examples of JJK fighters (especially the mid to upper mid types like Todo, Geta, maybe even someone like Hakari) vs …….whoever you think would be like a really close battle. Obviously people like Gojo can’t be used well because it all comes down to Limitless But just a more normal JJK fighter vs someone from Hunter X Hunter or Tokyo Ghoul, or something closer to JJK’s level. I have a suspicion Hunter X Hunter might be the answer since JJK was inspired by it so much but the top tiers in JJK would probably just insta win with domain expansions So that’s why I’m trying to leave them out and focus on mid tier fighters. Like who’s the strongest person the phantom troupe could fight in JJK? Hisoka/Chrollo/Zeno/Silva/maybe even Pitou and Mereum or Netero Vs disaster curses, or Yuta, or Kenjaku or Kashimo or if necessary Sukuna (Gojo is less interesting again because it’s just “no way through Limitless lul”) Anyway just a thought I’d make it myself but I have no editing software
Mahoraga's ability to adapt pretty much infinetly to the same attack/defensive phenomenon is what gives him the edge, its entirely possible for it to adapt his attacks to strike the soul of the opponents, as people like Nanami (who is strong but compared to big hitters in the setoes kinda difficult to compare to) unconsciously protect their own soul. Mahoraga already did that with the world cutting slashes and positive energy slashes
bro this is nonsense , Solar powered Hamon turns Mahoraga to dust ~ game over , infact kars can easily solo both sukuna and mahoraga at once . mahoraga's adaptation is very slow whereas kars can copy anything and amplify it 100 times its NOT EVEN CLOSE
@@Sohansen-vr8ph it's so fun infact that I don't remember anyone being turned into ashes by Kars, infact he's most likely to use hamon once, not kill Mahoraga, the wheel spins, hamon becomes weaker The adaptation isn't slow, once the wheel spins it's instant, and Infinite. Like a previous commenter said, Kars evolves in the realm of Biology, Mahoraga adapts to all phenoma. I n f i n e t l y Since Mahoraga literally learned to slash the world and everything to bypass infinity after sharing a few blows with Gojo, Kars evolution doesn't matter if he doesn't instantly vaporize all of Mahoraga instantly with an attack. The only two attacks that killed Mahoraga, one was literally melting a city block of over 140 meter (because it was melting parts of the city that wasn't destroyed by Sukuna's domain) without even being fired, and the other one, unrestrained hollow purple. You see the problem? Kars lacks the destructive power to Mahoraga unless you just bend the rules and say "Kars knows of Mahoraga's adaptation and will use hamon at full power" If you can't instantly disappear with Mahoraga with an attack the first time, you're not gonna win against Mahoraga
Bro lol u just dont understand , Kars can take down both Sukuna and mahoraga at once head on infact he could take on 100s of mahorage at once Solar Hamon destroys every matter as it is said to be exactly as intense of sun heat and radiation and nothing in our galaxy can survive that lol And here's the part how kars destroys 100s even 1000s of sukuna nd 1000s of mahoraga Kars uses binary fisson of bacteria to multiply itself and amplify each clone of his by 100 time , he does it so rapidly like bacteria such that you have an entire country of 100000000 kars and ALL OF THEM ARE USING HAMON CANNON BLAST LOL !!! KARS IS AN ATZEC OMNIPOTENT IMMORTAL GOD....nothing can stop him there besides as the highest life form with highest and maximum intellect he will easily figure out mahoraga's abilities and sukuna and everything there is in a split second and take effective counter measures LOL not to mention the speed of Kars is such that Sukuna can launch 1000000 slash /hack attacks and none of them will even come close to touching kars , not to mention , kars armor is fking 100 times stronger than strongest living being too , there's just infinite ways Kars SOLOS your fav jjk anime verse all ALONE ~ hahah @@butters461
and MAHORAGA'S ABILITY to adapt is definitely QUITE SLOW , sukuna literally says that slowly he's adapting to his technique so cut ur BS Act here And if kars used his hamon powers on joesph -the anime would end lol..... accept reality kid @@butters461
@@Sohansen-vr8ph so that same ability, barely scratched Joseph would kill everything in the universe? Idk man seems like hyperbole to me, even then Mahoraga can adapt to it. Infinity is impossible to cross yet Mahoraga just disabled and bypassed it in one fight using the sword, he can and will adapt to Hamon
You know, the biggest problem with Mahoraga against Makima is the fact I love Mahoraga, so I'd defend him too much. But I also love Kars, so with equal speed, yeah, it's mostly even. However, Kars could probably tip the balance by just beating Mahroaga up, realising quickly how he adapts and brings out something new to beat him up. And if Mahoraga actually works like a cursed spirit and can't be killed without cursed energy, Kars just learns cursed energy. Simple as that, and this is because everyone has cursed energy. It just activates before they die or whatever, so Kars figures out how to activate it, makes his own cursed technique, and destroys him. And even without, I feel like he could just kill him with cursed energy and his blades because heres what I think about how Mahoraga adapts. The air around him does nothing. He adapts and can now shoot out airblasts. Its headcanon but it's a bloody cool headcanon. However, it took probably hundreds of slashes for Mahoraga to fully adapt, so I feel like the attack has to not be too lethal and not sheed through too much of his skin to adapt easier, and yes this is all headcanon it doesnt work like this but I dunno I am just ranting and anymore words would start flooding out of my phone.
I feel like if Kars were to win, he'd have to use everything at his disposal to completely obliterate mahoraga in the first hit. Otherwise, if that attack is a dud, Mahoraga would definitely adapt to it. If Kars spends too much time playing with Mahoraga, in the long run, the battle would probably turn over to Mahoraga's favour. Basically, If Kars obliterates Mahoraga in the first hit (which I'm very certain he can, it's just his ego that makes it seem unlikely that he'd take Mahoraga that seriously), he wins. If he doesn't, Mahoraga wins. (but Kars might still have some chances considering Mahoraga wouldn't be able to adapt to all of Kars' attacks completely with the first wheel spin)
In fact, the best strategy is to use weak attacks on the mahoraga first and use your maximum on the last attack. In the battle of sukuna and mahoraga in shibuya, sukuna himself managed to understand this and that's why he won. Mahoraga does not adapt instantly, So it's better to weaken him before he adapts and then kill him with your strongest blow
If kars is light speed and so are the pillarmen then why can't they speed blitz the main character because he is just human but i guess that just make sense
thats like saying why didnt gojo just kill a 1 finger sukuna. or why didnt jiren just knock everyone out of the top at the start. ITS PLOT, also damn near the entire part they were toying with joseph
Either Kars deletes Mahoraga at the start, or Mahoraga slowly adapts to Kars’ nature completely. Mahoraga can adapt to any phenomena, after a minute or so of getting beat up, he would start seeing and fighting back against stands (for example). One-shot it or it continues adapting to literally anything you throw at it, as the adaptation is essentially unbound by logic
A minute is VERY generous. It took Mahoraga 4 wheel spins to create an ability that cuts reality (and yes, it can also adapt offensively). Mahoraga is VERY intelligent, it is bound by certain rules, but it has actual battle IQ. It would take one or two wheel spins before he is blasting Kars with gamma radiation or something so straight up erase his DNA.
If we give mahoraga the capacity to adapt to stands or hamon, Kars should be able to have/utilize CE and at that point, just seeing mahoragas positive energy sword would be enough for him to be able to expell DE, CT and RCT, no?
I think Kars would adapt durability to survive a sword slash, and that would prompt mahoraga to adapt world-cutting to make durability a non-factor. Being bissected is definitely not enough to take down Kars, but that should give Mahoraga the capacity to adapt enough strength and speed to atomize Kars. Kars might be able to adapt some kind of ultimate form of hamon to nuke Mahoraga, but if he tries any hamon before that and mahoraga adapts to hamon then he loses his only viable option.
The very ruoe that will decided the win would be "If Kars can potentially uses curses too" The problem is with biological evolution Kars will 100% reach his limitations. However this won't be the case uf Kars somehow by luck devoured a curse user snd discovered what's a curses technique is. He will pretty much have the DNA or regeneration to sacrifice for the curses and give birth to infinite variety of them. The most broken about Kars if the curse rule works on him is he can procreation of any life in the planet... Yes meaning once he developed a curses technique it will be "Creation of life" level of curses... This is something pretty much going to be rooted to the origin of life. If you think I'm too overcooked with this? Think again... 1) Mahito curse that controls all human he touch is the "Curse of humanity" 2) There's also curse represent natural disaster too like Jugo. 3) There's also curses artificial created by humans too by HOW they curses their targets. You can see that "curses" depending on the user like their power, nature and what they will sacrifice with. So his curses will be origin of life. The dude has every DNA...
I’d def say kars simply cuz the more complicated the technique the harder it is for mahoraga to adapt people say he’ll adapt to like kars immortality but that’s allot more complicated than infinity so would take longer and we don’t know how much longer
Kars has superior adaptation. Mahoraga adapts to cursed techniques and cursed energy, while having insane regen and being basically the culmination of all ten shadows. Kars is the powers of all life combined and perfected
I would say it's a case of the strongest shield vs the strongest shield. Both shouldn't be able to deal a fatal blow to their opponent. Now as someone else said, Mahoraga adaption and evolution is to the extent of the abstract, which defies conventional logic. Mahoraga should theoretically be able to adapt to The Wonder of U's calamity laws; But all that is none of our concern as Mahoraga only adapts to damage taken, or external stimuli. Leaving the Big Maho with the positive blade. Which shouldn't be fatal to Kars, as the ultimate lifeform that can use yang energy(hamon). Now I'm over-generalizing powers into Yin and Yang attributes from reading too many webnovels, and the fact that this is a cross-genre comparision. So Cursed Energy and Vampires = Yin attribute. Reversed Cursed Technique, Positive energy, and Hamon = Yang attribute. Although in JJK, Positive energy attacks or positive energy blade(The one Mahoraga wields) is said to be extremely effective against Cursed spirits, it wouldn't deal fatal damage to both Mahoraga(as he can simply adapt against it) and Kars(Since evolution into the Ultimate lifeform took away his weakness to Yang attribute). Kars vs Mahoraga fight would probably be one that'd last for few years, and would only end because either Kars got too mentally tired of fighting, or Mahoraga goes back to the shadow realm.
I just thought kars can just hamon him send ripples through mahoraga's body and blow him up with the power of the sun. Or allow him to adapt to that then hit him with another move to destroy him completely
Kars hit Joseph with hamon "as hot as the sun" and it only burned the surface of his knee, yet Joseph is shown to be a normal human with enhanced abilities throughout the series.
If this battle happen, 3 things will happen 1. Kars starting to beat the crap out of mahoraga before he even get a chance to adapt and erase him 2. Kars toying with mahoraga which eventually mahoraga will adapt and will counter his stand but kars will just use another stands or evolve further making it impossible fof mahoraga to keep up 3. Kars use each different stands against mahoraga so that mahoraga can adapting to all of it and eventually end with kars got bored and kill him Overall, kars will win no matter what mahoraga do, even if he's able to kill him Kars will just gonna come back eventually
No kars cant. Heres 2+ reasons why. Number 1 , shikigami arent life forms, if they are or you consider them to be so, he wins. Number 2:(manga spoilers ahead stop reading) Mahoraga can cut the world and the universe itself as stated in the gojo vs mahoraga+nue+sukuna fight, since it atates sukuna learnes to cut the world after witnessing mahoraga do it. Easy claps (if you agree with reason 1)
He is using shibuya mahoraga + Kars could learn how to use cursed energy and cursed techniques, so he could easily one shot mahoraga with the hollow purple
@@UtorrentDaSilvano he can’t Lmao this is purely Mahoraga vs KARS no ONE ELSE IS PRESENT Mahoraga Would ADAPT TO ANYTHING Kars throws him at him lmao He’s literally Vastly superior Kars feats aren’t even above city block level As Mahoraga IS LITERALLY STATED TO ADAPT TO ANY Phenomenon Kars has Zero ways to One shot him
Mahoraga: "So it's the same type of stand as Star Platinum." Kars: "So it's the same type of stand as Star Platinum." Close fight but Mahoraga out adapts and if Kars can't finish him off in the first few minutes he is going to experience alot of trouble ever putting Mahoraga down. This is anime Kars though. I believe novel Kars is way stronger or something. Kars adapts using every life form on earth which is seen especially when he can't adapt to cope with being in the freezing space. Mahoraga can adapt to ANY phenomena. If we talking FP Mahoraga in the manga then his best feats are having a reality slash and can cut infinity. He's immune to all slashes. Immune to attacks on the soul. Has tanked red, blue, a FP black flash from Gojo and destroyed Gojo's unlimited void domain. He also adapted to the domain thanks to Meguna so we can even say Mahoraga is immune to infinite information trying to fry his brain (doubt he even has a brain since he's simply a shikigami) Has tanked Sukuna's domain. Two things that ever took him out was basically a fire arrow nuke and another molecular level destroying nuke (hollow purple)
A thing I don't see Kaleb consider is Mahoraga clearly in the manga adapts to even Gojo's Infinite Void and Blue and Red and all that, and would've adapted to Hollow Purple if Gojo hadn't used it to its literal fullest potential engulfing Mahoraga whole, that's also the thing with Sukuna in Shibuya, it took a Nuclear Bomb from Sukuna to atomize Mahoraga which left no room for Mahoraga to adapt because it was ALREADY adapting to Malevolent Shrine, I don't see Kars having the capability to do that, MAYBE, and I'm just saying a big MAYBE Kars has the capability to replicate a lightning strike so powerful that it disintegrates Mahoraga and that's just headcannon because that Sun Touch thing you mentioned Kars can do probably wouldn't be enough as we saw Mahoraga get cut up to the point of being a filleted fish and still regenerate, so anything below disintegration would simply no work on Mahoraga as he can very easily so adapt to physical phenomena and as shown with Gojo has more trouble adapting to conceptual phenomena that instead of manipulating the universe, warp it, so it would take an insane Hamon feat from Kars to actually one-shot Mahoraga so, and if Mahoraga isn't defeated in the beginning minutes of the fight, it quite literally is GG as Mahoraga would basically adapt to all phenomena pertaining to energy such as plasma and fire, and the excuse that the Mahoraga that went against Gojo isn't the same as the one Sukuna fought doesn't work as Sukuna doesn't use the Ten Shadows to make him stronger, only more obedient, and also doesn't mix Mahoraga with any other Shikigami like he did with Agito TL;DR: If fight is longer than few minutes, Mahoraga probably wins, if Kars uses INSANE, and I mean INSANE Hamon feat, maybe Mahoraga loses
Though if any of you guys know any feats that Kars has that might be able to one-shot Mahoraga please tell me because I only started Jojo's from Part 3 onward
Some people can’t wrap their minds around any and all like it’s not that hard if it exists he can adapt if it dosent exist and exists now he can adapt any and all means any and all (ALLL)
Here's the thing Mahoraga might be able to adapt to energies and imaginary objects, but Kars never used hamon, saw it used in ultimate form ONCE, and had an understanding and manipulation of it 100x more powerful than Joseph Joestar, so if he sees cursed energy he'll have it and probably immediately have a domain expansion etc, I think if you give Kars this, his AP is enough to get around Mahoraga's adaptation speed in one hit, otherwise make Hamon skill Cursed Energy skill and perhaps he could beat Mahoraga as Fuga isn't nearly as powerful as the sun, more like just a city level bomb, so the Hamon couuuuuld work if Kars had enough to understand to Oneshot Mahoraga, otherwise Mahoraga wins....
Sukuna can't kill kars because he would just adapt. That is his whole thing. He would just adapt to everything mahoraga did. Also, you could say kars don't have cursed energy, but i think its better to say he doesn't have a CT, but he does have, cursed energy. The fight would most probably end in a draw neither of them would be able to kill each other also remember kars can give himself any genetic trait so he can give himself six eyes also!! Remember kars can regenerate his whole body from 1 cubic centimeter in seconds trying to cut him would be like trying to cut water. KARS CAN BECOME SUKUNA he would solo jjk universe accept reality and quit the maho glaze
Not really. Wonder of U kinda controls every concept below Calamity technicallly, due to being Calamity itself. So he could probably pull some reality warping or luck manipulation to kill Mahoraga.
@@randomyoutuber2633 WoU is overrated kinda, if what wankers would say about would be true intention of shotting non existant bubble would kill Gappy but it didn't. Only stand which triumphs Makora is GER and MAYBE TA4 but likely makora could adapt to infinite spin.
@@loganrice2708 ...And Araki said same for GER, it was while ago but still. Araki also never said that WoU is strongest stand overall just most terryfying stand of main antagonist, not strongest stand overall. I know that new generation of powerscalers just found battle boarding but at least trust your sources.
Mahoraga demonstrates insane amounts of intelligence. Restricting him to Shibuya arc feats is injecting bias. If we are measuring intelligence based solely on speech and calculation we are restricting him as well. Mahoraga has been shown to not only “adapt” to physical harm but interpret that information for his own use. Firstly adapting to slashing so that all forms of being cut had no effect. Secondly he adapted to infinity developing the “world cutting slash” that cuts through space and time. Let that resonate for a moment. Sukuna learned that from Mahoraga. Recall the statement that Mahoraga is the ultimate “late throw” in Rock Paper scissors. I don’t see an easy win but a relentless adaptation creating a more ultimate being who can and will destroy the fabric of reality to kill his target. You undersell him quite a bit.
I'm really curious where this "Kars has light speed reaction" his greatest speed feat is cutting all the bullets coming at him. There is no evidence he can improve it even in peak condition. Especially considering the speed of light is 299,792,458 mph. Can you really picture Kars dodging something at that speed. Like actually catching it with his blade. Mahoraga can keep up with Sukuna who can move faster than the eye can see, and Kars blocking would be meaningless since Mahoraga can punch right through him since Kars can't come up with a defense that can stop something powerful enough to cause shockwaves with it's hits.
I think people are trying to scale him to Jotaro who was briefly stated one time by Araki to be capable of fighting (not traveling) at light speed, which makes no sense as Kars literally has no feats to even scale him to Star Platinum. His best feat is burning the skin off of Joseph's knee with his hamon and developing armor to survive in lava. AP and speed wise, Kars is actually not that great at all. Almost all of his impressive feats relate to durability, mostly due to his immortality. Keep in mind this is a Jojo channel. Jojo fans are horrifically biased most of the time and do not care about no limits fallacies, hence why you get so many people claiming Giorno can beat multiversal level characters by "reverting them to zero", when his best feat is beating up a dude who punches holes in people and has no other feats besides crushing a computer keyboard lol.
What has he reacted to that moved at light speed? Even characters like Star Platinum don't have light speed (Plenty of things have gotten by Star Platinum's defense that were not light speed)@@loganrice2708
kars does not evolve or adapt, rather he can mimick the genetic traits of organisms and use them, there is a chance that if kars was in the jjk universe to fight mahoraga he would just copy the abilities of the sorcerers to win kinda like what he did with hamon.
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What about novel kars
Ad was loud as fuck my dude lol
Kars solos body hair
TBH the fight itself will depend on just one factor and it's all with Kars
"Can he uses curses"
If Kars can he have too many things to play with...
1) Curse with infinite sacrifice => Kars can simply create a new life of every DNA he has by cutting his finger and let it grow as an animal of that DNA... Infinite sacrifice glitch...
2) Domain Expansion Life Origin => Domain Expansion is the extension of their existence so the most likely thing Kars will have is origin of life... He had every DNA so he have the qualifications to have that. Just like Mahito's domain to alter all of humanity as he please because he's "curse of humanity"
Like just from gaining curse alone just makes Kars unbeatable. However Kars without curses will lost to Mahara because...
That monster can just deleted him with his curses attack... Yes he can do that... That's one of his power if he keeps growing and to why it's one of the only few monster that had destroy Gojo's family line.
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"But Mahoraga, would you lose?"
"Nah, I'd adapt."
@TheDioBrandoFoundationas a fan of both things the Divine General would adapt
@@funnybones98not if he's dead though😂, why do people keep talking lik Maho can't be killed before it adapts/ the 'complete' adaptation is instantaneous
@@theonlychickensama8353 at the start of the fight, Kars would prob attempt to kill mahoraga with his blades and hamon, and since we saw what happened when someone tries to slice mahoraga into a million pieces (sukuna) he would just shrug it off and adapt. Kars aint doing anything unless he has time to use that 400 iq of his and recreating malevolent shrine with animal abilities, but by then mahoraga would have already adapted to his trump cards.
It would most likely be a stalemate, unless Maho adapts to Kars' regen
@@theonlychickensama8353 he can get killed by people like sukuna. Kars? The same person who was being harmed by rocks shooting at him? no.
Kars' backstory definitely deserves to be fully told in a spin-off manga/novel. It would be fascinating to see how he convinced Esidisi to join him in his search for immortality and the relationships he developed with Wamuu and Santana
YES PLLEASE!!
also on a side note it'd be cute seeing Kars and Esidisi feeding little Wamm and Santana haha, cute little Pillar Babies
God I wish Araki did side stories that are connected to the main canon and not just Rohan ones.
wasn’t kars already immortal to all but the direct sun
I love the fact Kars recovered part of his massive importance in the Lore in the "Crazy Diamond Heartbreakers" manga, with the main villain being a fan/succesor of the fabulous pillar man. Considering that he was literaly the main responsible for the first six JoJo parts, I think his legacy deserves much more recognition, considering that the story is constantly just focusing on DIO's consequences
The problem with this matchup is that Kars evolves within the realm of biology, Mahoraga evolves beyond the realm of conceptuality.
Any and all phenomenon IS crazy for real.
Though Evolution is also no joke, given time Kars may achieve nuclear meltdown, that.. should suffice in eradicating Mahoraga.
(His Hamon rivaling the Sun information can be taken multiple ways, including the fact that such mastery mimics fusion reaction)
@TheDioBrandoFoundation lol how
@TheDioBrandoFoundation space : 🗿
@TheDioBrandoFoundationand somehow 0° make him absolutely inept lmao
To be fair its way more than 0° bro 💀@@xavreim6957
I see a lot of people focus on the fact that Big Raga’s adaptation is conceptual, Kars’ is biological. What they forget is that the biological adaptation extends to biological processes that produce supernatural effects, i.e., hamon, stands, and, yes, even cursed energy and techniques. Not only that, but Kars can adapt instantly, while Mahoraga takes time to adapt completely. Kars, were he introduced to the JJK universe, could theoretically copy any cursed technique that is, was, or ever will be after only seeing once, and would be able to apply it better than original owners of said techniques. Hell, he could probably create his own version of the 10 shadows technique to fight Mahoraga. Kars is a cheat code against any opponent that originates on planet Earth.
Now this, this is fac
Could Kars defeat Saitama? I think yeah, but im not sure.
*Fun fact:* Kars is remembered by Old Joseph in the novel "Genesis of the Universe", when the crusaders face a Stand User who is literally a thousand years old. I honestly wished part 3 and 4 would have explored Joseph's thoughts about all the sh*t he went through in his youth, with the second JoJo not wanting Jotaro and Josuke to suffer the same as him in the 30's
In terms of who has the better adaptability, there's arguments for both; Kars is limited to the realm of biology, but can consciously adapt and control how he adapts INSTANTLY. Whereas, Mahoraga can't adapt instantly, being needed to be exposed to a phenomena to adapt. However, Mahoraga has the superior adaptive potential, being able to adapt to ANYTHING conceptually; he adapted to the limitless, which is infinitely dividing space, the infinite void, and slashes that could slice through space and dice anything into dust.
Edit; okay, to the smartasses bringing up stands; that’s a NON CANON VERSION. We’re talking about CANON
The more complex, the attack the more spins needed for adaptation
@@sinfuladam That's my point. Mahoraga has much slower adaptation, but can adapt to anything given the chance
@@pokerus1359 The problem with that is that the more you keep hitting it the faster the adaptation.
bro thats stupid , kars is 1000 times faster and copies in an instant and returns everything in an instant @@pokerus1359
@@sinfuladam5 spins is what it took to adapt to infinity, five mf spins
In the Manga, Mahoraga can also adapt offensively, creating new abilities, even bypassing the strongest hax of the series in a VERY short period of time.
Mahoraga vs Kars would probably go something along the lines of: Mahoraga hits Kars once, Kars hits him back. Mahoraga is resistant to Hamon, Kars probably increases his durability with some armor and heals himself. Wheel spins, next attack from Mahoraga can't be healed and just starts to delete Kars. And if you think I'm exaggerating, Mahoraga took 4 wheel spins to develop an ability that cuts reality itself. Kars is limited to DNA on Earth. It won't take more than 1 or 2 spins for Mahoraga to create a technique to just erase biological DNA.
Correction: 5, it took 5 spins, it took 4 spins for him to be able to just outright ignore infinity, and 1 extra spin to completely counter it.
Yeah, but you have to consider if Kars could adapt to Cursed Energy or not. Everything in JJk has it, even if they can't use it, so if Kars can use it, he has every cursed technique now. That's part of why Novel Kars is even possible.
@@randomyoutuber2633 I don't have a problem with Kars using cursed energy, but you have to consider that unlike hamon, Kars never saw a cursed technique before. He has no theoretical knowledge to base himself. And Mahoraga is not living being.
Even if Kars' 400IQ let's him learn and quickly better his CE, it's just a much bigger gap for him to reach the necessary mastery to exorcise Mahoraga, than it is for Mahoraga to spin the wheel 2 or 3 times.
@ggwp638BC Honestly, Kars's hamon is as strong as the surface of the sun right? One hit from that should be enough to explode Mahoraga if it flows through his body, which hamon usually does to animals hit by it.
Manga Mahoraga: Creates new abilities
Novel Kars: Copies and improves them
the ultimate battle of adapting and extremely buff naked men
im pretty sure mahoraga is able to adapt to speed since in the battle with gojo, he was completely outmatched at the start, but during the end of the fight he was able to keep up and defend sukuna
Kars honestly could just learn how to use cursed energy and techniques on the spot. i know its not canon but the way Kars capabilities are shown in the Jorge Joestar novel where he simply just copies and improves the stands he sees and likes is probably pretty accurate on what he could canonically do
Adding Jorge Joestar into the mix just kind of breaks everything.
This is the comment i was looking for. Jorge Joestar is 100% not canon at all. But yeah seeing how he learned hamon instantly, he would probably become the strongest sorcerer in history depending on his technique, and develop a domain expansion. Plus he'd do all of this in after experiencing the tiniest hint of cursed energy (in like 10 seconds). If he couldn't do this i'm with mahoraga tho.
Well you can't learn cursed energy because it's an energy unique to the Jujutsu Kaisen verse and only certain individuals (sorcerers) are capable of even using it. And techniques aren't something you can "learn" either, they are something the user is born with. Hamon is just a technique that utilizes breathing to strengthen the user (also Kars didn't even show the advanced techniques, just the sheer quality of his hamon), not some special kind of energy inherent in the Jojo character thesmelves.
@@TheOne-pu6um nah he'd learn.
it really depends where this fight takes place, if it’s in a fusion of the 2 worlds or jjba, in space mahoraga accidentally knocks kars into a meteorite containing the forbidden stand juice resulting in a newborn ultimate kars, if it’s in jjk the fight probably lasts until the heat death of the universe kars intentionally kills his own thoughts, cursed energy ceases to exist along with it mahoraga and then kars just turns back on in a cold dead universe
The fight we've all been waiting for:
Immovable object VS Immovable object
Mahoraga can adapt to speed. It’s not shown well in the anime, but when he’s battle Sukuna in shibuya and gojo after the Cullen games. He adapts to their speed and starts speeding up himself.
Also after he gets hit with a few different animal attacks, he’s mostly likely adapt to living tissue in general and develop some kind of disintegration blade. Like how mahoraga got hit with 1 type of slashing attack enough that he just adapted to slashes all together. So when the new slash attack came out, it didn’t matter
I don't think that's how Mahoraga's adaption works exactly.
From what I've seen (I've read the manga), he starts adapting after being hit by a type of attack (be it slashes or space manip) which then allows him to adapt to the type of said attack (like how he gained a resistance to Sukuna's slashes). He'd probably only adapt to the type of attacks the animals throw at him. The animals that Kars makes would probably still be useless anyways since he could really just.. step on them.
Mahoraga has never been shown to adapt to raw stats, the one in the gojo fight was being amped by sukuna's cursed energy, like the rest of the 10 shadows.
@franksarria9693 If he was amped by sukuna he would have been matching with gojo at the very start of the fight, however he only matched gojo when he started adapting
@@franksarria9693 he goes from being blitzed to being relative to sukuna in speed during shibuya. “His ability is to adapt to ANY AND ALL phenomena” speed is a phenomena
I don’t think he adapts to speed. The thing in the Gojo fight that people have to remember is Mahoraga starts catching up very late in the fight, where Gojo has been fighting Mahoraga and Sukuna 2v1 and then them and that other summon 3v1, and this is after multiple Domain clashes and using RCT.
If Kars' Hamon is strong enough to one shot Mahoraga, then he could just save that for the end while having Mahoraga adapt to his other abilities. Basically the same strategy as Sukuna.
If sakuna figured it out I think Kars can
Bro Kars is omnipotent being probably on goku level @@SmartAlec1
@@Sohansen-vr8ph??? bro not even town level on a good day fym omnipotent 💀
kindly share your source of info delulu being , ???!??
its clearly written and described that kars the highest lifeform could move 10 times the speed of sound , copy all biological beings phenomenons And amplify any process by 100 times
whereas puny mahoraga moved even slower than an average fly given he was atleast 10 times slower than 10 finger sukuna which was half as capable of moving at the speed of sound as max spd of 20 finger ultimate sukuna is mach 3 aka speed of sound
now to the physical aspect hamon is superior onr compared to cursed energy as one is derived from negative emotions while other is life form itself
ANd that was just regular hamon , kARS hAMON has the potential to destroy the entire palnet given its "said to be exactly as intense and strong as the sun itself" and if you know even a little bit of physics , Sun's full power radiation at a close distance would melt the Earth and destroy it
and Im not done yet .....kars could multiply himself by binary fission of bacteria to havbe 100000 versions of himself each 100 power amplified than the original and imagine all of them using hamon at once...LOL
Kars could very easily speed blitz annhilate the entire jjk universe in a second@@SleepingSoulK
@@Sohansen-vr8phif you want to bring physics into this a living being moving faster than sound would've been Annihilated by the speed
If Hamon can hurt Mahoraga, he would adapt to that can basically become immune to it, he can also adapt to the defensive abilities his opponents, so he should win off that alone.
No yes if kars doesn't blast him with hamon. He has so many other options to just keep attacking. Also mahoraga can only adapt to one type of attack and has to reset
Is Sukuna alive? If yes, then Kars can copy his curse technique.
@@silvertongue.242_99 when was it stated that mahoraga can only adapt to a single phenomena at a time? Unless I'm missing something I don't remember that being to case.
@@SourToSweetSukuna use his fire right after Mahoraga adapt to his domain to kill him.
@@owo4288 that just means that He never adapted to fire or to fire/heat iin such extendion
A fun scenario in my head I'd imagine were if after Kars floated around in space as a statue (but didn't completely stop thinking as the manga insinuated) what if it drifted into an alternate universe and collide into the surface of Mars, he reverts back to his self and encounters the Terra Formars? That's a Death Battle I'd love to watch, even if it's likely Kars could wipe them out.
Kars would never waste a perfectly good army like that.
Just realized something, Kars can pull a Geto and make his brain function like a sorcerer's brain, and instantly master Cursed Energy with his 400 iq and instant adaptation. He is also quick enough to do something like that, being the speed of light and all. The real question is this: Can Kars instantly master any cursed technique if this works? If so, Maho is cooked. If not, then it's a 50/50 Edit: If he used every single type of venom, then Mahoraga might not be able to adapt to all of the effects of them, like feeling suicidal, sensing doom, rotting away, getting melted, getting your body and nervous system shut down, and that's just one type of Venom,
m that can do that to you, let alone the hundreds of Venom like the stone fish which has hundreds of different poisons mixed together. That might give Kars enough time to win. This is also hoping Kars isn't in character and is bloodlusted.
It depends on if he can one shot him or not. If he doesn't then he's dead
@@dominocut2963 in character, no kars would play around with makora and then die, bloodlust, very likely, kars's hamon is comparable to the sun
Unfortunately, kars thinks very highly of himself, his ego could be his downfall like for joseph, he might underestimate mahoraga and use weak attacks mahoraga can addapt to, and when kars realises his mistakes it will be too late
@@minhtranquoc8122 Kars couldn't even one shot Joseph with his hamon and only damaged his leg. I'm pretty sure Mahoraga is more durable than a peak/enhanced human.
he wasnt trying to kill joseph in that moment@@broom673
Alot people are talking about hamon and stuff and adapt.
But everyone is clearly forgetting the speed gap. Mahoraga was at max hypersonic (Only able to keep up with Sukuna and Gojo) .
Kars base form was already faster than Joseph(In manga Joseph reacted to Aja beam which if im correct 2x speed of light). Kars also reacted to UV beam and reflexes which is obviously light speed
Kars blade is literally just Sukuna Cleave but faster.
We seen mahoraga durability is only building to multi building.(The cleave effectively cut him).
For people saying Mahoraga can adapt to Kars speed.
Light speed is hundred way faster than Hypersonic,so fast that it would be like a time stop.
How can mahoraga adapt to a speed he cant see.
Knowing how fast Kars slices (Shown in The car scene)
It safe to say Kars has his own version of Cleave.
And we are forgetting the fact Kars instantly evolve. Mahoraga takes spin to evolve.
Knowing very well mahoraga can only focus to adapt on a single thing.
There is more than a million species of animal(An insect has 950k species if im Correct). So even if Mahoraga can adapt INSTANTLY. He would need to adapt to all of it one by one.
Forgetting Pistol Shrimp animal,That can make 218 decibel sound. So fast And shoot a water so hot it hotter than a lava (8000⁰c)
Now imagine doing that. Mahoraga was already getting fucked by a single fire arrow. I doubt he could survived a Pistol shrimp times by 100x strength
And Mahoraga in term of travel speed is not even close to Mach 5. Even Blackbird Jet is faster than Mahoraga.
Meanwhile Peregrine falcon 100x would be insane. A single Peregrine falcon would been in the speed of a speeding bullet. 100x of that..
Remember,Mahoraga was shown in full potential.
Kars wasnt. He newly achieved ULF,was insane at Joseph. And the only way effectively beating him was making him go insane(He could have survive the space had he not chose the wrong option. But that cause he went insane after Joseph detailed planning)
I cant wait to see grown Full potential Mahoraga Vs newly borned unmastered ULF kars
And sees mahoraga spin his wheel more than millions times just to adapt to the biology of all the animal kars had.
the entire point of cleave is that the AP is adjustable
@@ultimazilla9814 exactly
Now this, this is fax
I was looking for a comment like this, thank you
Nope gojo was blitzing mahoraga but in the end mahoraga was adapted to the speed so in theory yes he can adapt to your speed he’ll he can adapt to anything as long as it’s
Not one shotted
I can understand if we're only basing off of anime mahoraga but kars here is based on guide books, anime, and manga all together so it's only fair to have mahoraga be based on the same. In the manga, mahoraga's adaptation isn't only limited to defense but also offense. So yes he's able to keep up with sukuna and gojo in terms of speed, able to adapt defense to be immune to sukuna's cleave and gojo's infinite void, and able to adapt his attacks to be able to cut through infinity. It's far more likely that mahoraga will adapt faster than kars can deal a lethal blow, at base, mahoraga has higher than most special grade durability which i highly doubt an intense sunray is gonna vaporize him that quickly. The part where i do agree tho is in battle IQ, kars might just outsmart him since mahoraga is basically braindead in most cases outside of his adaptation
What happen if Gojo fought Okuyasu or Vanilla Ice? I think Gojo beat Okuyasu because Okuyasu isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but lets say Okuyasu is as smart as lets say Fugo.
Well it’s over then, what more do you want me to say?
@TheDioBrandoFoundation extreme meatriding
@TheDioBrandoFoundationstop speaking your horrible at being a fanboy
Okyasu cant get past domain expansion, and im a jotard
the thing about jojo characters is that their stands are fast as fuck, but the characters themselves are just regular people. So unless they have an automatic defence (Like GER) they should just get speed blitzed a lot of the time
Here's a thought for you: Could Kars alter himself to be able to use Cursed Energy? I'm pretty sure CE is biological in origin, but USED as a spiritual expression, which is how non-sorcerers can now use CE in the Culling Games, because they were physically altered somehow. Correct me if I'm wrong, of course
Mahito practically altered Junpei's brain to be like a sorcerer's so it's inherently biological. Kars could 100% do that if he were in the JJK verse.
(Edit: Mahito did this by altering the shape of Junpei's soul, which then led to his body also changing. Kars can manipulate his biology which would allow him to use CE in this case)
It's a different verse so even if it was biological in JJK, it is not in Jojo. Wouldn't make sense for the mask to give you the ability to adapt to power systems from other universes when it can't even grant Kars the ability to survive in space.
adding on to the last part a topic id like to see is kars vs meruem vs sukuna vs muzan see who has what it takes to be the true pinnacle/ apex being.
i think its gotta be kars who wins, since this fight is just ultimately decided by who lands their hit first. and since kars has instant adaption and mahoraga doesn't, if kars can cook up some diabolical oneshot move using his massive iq he can obliterate mahoraga before he can adapt. even if he couldnt be able to oneshot mahoraga, kars will be far more cunning and strategic than mahoraga due to having a higher intelligence, using his massive array of abilities to constantly keep mahoraga on edge. from what we know mahoraga cannot copy techniques, but rather counter them, such as how he became immune to slashing attacks during his fight with sukuna and how he could bypass infinity in sukuna vs gojo. essentially mahoraga's offensive capabilities and his intelligence are pretty limited, while kars has the intelligence and the array of abilities which just puts him on a bigger advantage over mahoraga. im more of a bigger jojo fan than jjk so this may be biased, and do correct me if im wrong on any information
thing is, Mahoraga adapts his offense as well as his defense. If he were to realize the nature of Kars' adaptation, he'd find a way to counter it. And considering Kars' adaptation is purely biological, i don't think it would take long for mahoraga to adapt to it. His adaptation varies in the face of complexity, and can adapt to multiple phenomenon at once depending on what hes being struck by (he adapted to all forms of slashes, even if sukuna only hit him with one type)
So for example, if Kars were to strike Mahoraga with a venomous bite or a form of paralysis for example, Mahoraga would adapt to all forms of venom and all types of paralysis after a short while (probably one or two spins, tops).
This means that Mahoraga could eventually dry Kars of any offense. Which means kars would *need* to cook up a way to kill mahoraga with the first usage of his attack, which is only possible if he is already fighting mahoraga and has already 'fed' mahoraga a few types of attacks in order for mahoraga to adapt to.
its a very weird and context-based fight, to be entirely honest
I asked this question somewhere might as well also ask it here. Who would win between ULF Kars and Makima? Obviously anime manga Kars and not novel Kars
@TheDioBrandoFoundationdude stop meat riding JJBA you 7 year old 💀💀💀
@TheDioBrandoFoundationno
@TheDioBrandoFoundationbuddy Makima is above Mahoraga and his contract is stupid and She can send Kars into space mismatch😊
@@JJKfan..please talk regularly as in with comprehensible grammar, also Kars releases Fugo's gas killing Makima and all of Japan.
@@funnybones98 nah he just gets shot into space instantly and stops thinking
I think he forgot that kars is a pillarman which can consume things at an atomic level
Nothing a Balam Industries sponsored field trip to Shibuya can’t fix.
"malevolent kitchen"
*Live Zimmerman reaction:*
even if kars wasn't in a time of crisis, he could probably see mahoraga by looking at the air pressure surrounding him
I feel like this is such a fair fight that for both fighters they SHOULD be challenged and relatively evenly matched. Though I think I Kars should also be a direct counter to Mahoraga since when you fight it, if you're a 1 trick pony, you're pretty screwed, but if you have multiple tricks, your odds of winning are higher, the degree however depends on your skill, strength, and intelligence, all of which Kars should have.
Mahoraga's adaptation doesn't mean much when Kars has nigh-limitless options of evolution. He figures out quickly that he needs to kill him in one attack and he melts him with Hammon. Or he can simply absorb him early and be done with it. If Santana, the weakest of the pillar men can absorb living beings with a simple touch, Kars should be much faster
Pillar men don't absorb things, they eat by releasing acid and give the illusion of absorption, Mahoraga can easily adapt to it
Kars can only adapt biologically
na he can copy and amplify @@DhaniKong-o3d
Not even taking into account that Kars would get the capability to use Cursed Energy
This is the comment i was looking for. Seeing how he learned hamon instantly, he would probably become the strongest sorcerer in history depending on his technique, and develop a domain expansion. Plus he'd do all of this in after experiencing the tiniest hint of cursed energy (in like 10 seconds). If he couldn't do this i'm with mahoraga tho.
@@NairoJoanoal
there is some fault in that logic, kars lost due to a stand which he never was able to see.
I’m gonna need some valid reasons for kars to scale to stands for combat speed cause him, kinda boxing with regular-degular Joseph makes me doubt that
Either way I don’t see a reason why mahoraga can’t adapt to the combat speed diff
It can adapt to anything so why not I agree
Kars would blitz with hammon
@@Redpandak- you just didnt even read my comment, i haven't seen any speed feats that scale him to stands
LOL simlpe arguement if a weakingling a dumb creature as sukuna can beat Mahoraga , kars 1 shots ~@@cha_s16
"If you can't one shot Mahoraga with a attack he never been hit before, and it's enough to kill him, you done." -Classicman D
Im sure Kars has enough output with hamon to straight up vaporize Mahoraga
@@NatVirgodoubt it Kars would most likely not even be able to damage him with his 100x Hamon and even if he did Mahoraga would adapt to Hamon in general
@@JJKfan.. surface of the sun.
@@NatVirgoJoseph is literally... standing two feet away from him bruh with nothing but a burnt foot , do you know how hot the sun is????
@@babyblue1443 he tapped Joseph and vaporized a chunk off his body with basic output, imagine if he put effort into it. Also the attack isn’t as hot as the sun but has the intensity of it.
A battle I didn't think I'd need to see but that makes sense to have lol
Anime Kars: Call an ambulance!
Light novel Kars: But not for me 😈
The problem that many comments say is that they try to say "kars can destroy the earth, Its hamon is the same as the surface of the sun" and I don't know what else.
But the way this versus should be approached in my opinion is that we take them both in their best version and face them without preparation.
Because what they say that Kars could kill him with one hit would only be if Kars knew Mahoraga's ability
And in the case of fighting without preparation, my mahoraga has the most chance to win.
Now, while I agree with you on that Mahoraga looses to Ultimate Kars, its not that easy for Kars as you say.
Basically, from what we have seen in both the manga and anime, Mahoraga can adapt to any phenomenon that seems to affect him or his actions.
From the Manga, Mahoraga couldn't touch Gojo due to his infinity, so he adapted this to counter and cut through Infinity.
Against Gojo's Blue, not only did he adapt to basically take almost no damqge drom it, but he mqde himself immune to its pulling effects to counter Blue.
When he was hit with Sukuna's Dismantle, he adapted to be able to see the invisible slashes and react to them, but to also deflect them (when he could) and heal from the damage.
Another point for Mahoraga is that, he adapts to the source of phenomenon, example being when he adapted to Dismantle, he didn't just adapt to that attack, but also adapted to slashing attack in general, which is why he was able to survive Malevolent Shrine.
This gives Mahoraga the advantage against Kars, as it would limit his arsenal by a LOT.
Though, there's another weqkness to Mahoraga's adaptation. How many times it takes to spin the wheel? Generally, we learn that it can depend on the attack on how long it will take Sukuna to adapt to something + we have no idea how much time it takes the wheel to spin.
Such as Gojo's Blue, it took like 4 spins of the wheel, but it took more spins when trying to adapt to Unlimited Void, due to how complicated in nature it is.
So, depending on how complicated the phenomenon in question is, that's how much long it will take Mahoraga to adapt.
Which, while could make things worse for Kars, it does make things also easer for him, as Kars will just have to create moves that are very much complicated in concept so he would have more time to use.
Not to mention, Kars is too smart and his adaptation is potentially faster than Mahoraga, which means that he would recognize most of what I stated and plan around it, find a way to beat Mahoraga.
Kars does win in the end, but its not as easy as some people would think, as Mahoraga's adaptation is way more versitile then at first glance.
Was waiting for this, glad to see I wasn't the only one thinking of that😂
Kars has nothing really supernatural outside of the ripple, meaning there Is a limit to how complex he can be, which would make it very easy for mahoraga to adapt to him, at most kars can start bringing out acids and poisons to make it slightly more complicated, kars would have to win fast unless he wants to see mahoraga quickly catch up to him, that entire sukuna fight took less than a minute to happen, we know because sukuna from the moment he took control, was on a 1 minute timer and he spent a lot of his time doing other stuff.
@@nicholas-dv1mg nope, ypur confusing the timers here, this wasn't the 1 minute timer binding vow he had with Yuji.
That time was Yuji loosing control due to consuming too many fingers in the same day, giving Sukuna a generous 15 to like 30 mintes, since he did take his time to talk shit around and have a fun fight with Jogo.
Also, it doesn't need to be 'supernatural' like we see in jjk, what I mean by 'complex', is how complicated the inner workings are.
And as stated in the video, Kars could obtain more powers than the ones from the animal kingdom (which does have like a blood laser eye camelion), literally could obtain other pillarman abilities with enough fire power to one shot Mahoraga.
While I said to not underestimate Mahoraga, you shouldn'tals underestimate Kars too.
Wouldn't most of Kars' attacks be simple since they'd be based on what animals are capable of? Anything besides Hamon shouldn't take that many spins of his wheel. Slashing, biting, and blunt force would be adapted to quickly. Unsure about venom. Some animals attack using electricity. None of it complicated.
@@stanner601 Same answer as above.
Like, watch the video brief on Kars the guy made, or watch his Kars vs Sukuna, cuz they go more into Kars' moveset there
“Nah I’d Adapt” Vs Ultimate *C A R S*
"Nah I'd Adapt"@TheDioBrandoFoundation
@@fardatarga3464 "the world; ULTIMATE!"
Thank you I will tell him about this
one thing I'd like to note is the existence of tardigrades and flathead worms (i think thats what they're called). Tardigrades can survive so much bullshit, like the void of space, absolute zero, over 140 degrees celsius, and more. Then there's the worms, which are made basically out of STEM cells. This means that if you cut it in half, the pieces don't rejoin, you have two worms. If you slice and dice it, you can end up with thousands of worms. By extension, Kars would have these abilities: temperature resistance, self-sustenance, regeneration, and even duplication if a piece of him were to get seperated from another piece.
Honestly the only thing I'd give Kars is maybe speed, though I don't have exact scalling of speed for either of them and maybe strength if his strength gradually adapts.
Mahoraga is up to Massively Hypersonic if he adapts, while Kars is just MFTL at base
@@ultimazilla9814 i think you could highball mahoraga higher. though i dont think he can adapt much to speed
Kars would be able to use curse energy better than even sukuna, since he has every ability of every being on earth, demonstrated by his extreme skill in hamon on his first try. Him seeing curses or not is not an issue at all
dude i was talking so much abt powerscaling jojos vs jjk characters and a few days later this pops up on my recc LOOOL
Mahoraga wins if kars doesn't do something insane fast
Most of kars normal attacks are brunt force and slashes
So given a bit of time and a large part of kar's arsenal is gone
Hamon is a case that has a good chance if used early as its heat and kinetic and could target the insides of mahoraga
Eventually kars would need to use elemets like electric to affect mahoraga
kars needs to keep aspects active such as rock armour while mahoraga has his resistances always on
Assuming kars starts slow and doesn't use his more "unqiue" abilities mahoraga wins
yeah i think kars could morph his biology enough to generate a town level hamon blast to destroy mahoraga. It would just need to land and not have a huge charge time i guess
Mahoraga is immune to slashes and soul attacks thanks to Sukuna. Kars could only really do something very flashy very fast to beat him otherwise nothing happens and they stalemate for a while until Mahoraga adapts. Considering Mahoraga can cut reality I believe that would one shot Kars
@@dinosaurkarma9460well no, mahoraga doesnt keep adaptations from previous summonings.
@@1brytastic Where is that stated? (Genuinely asking)
@@dinosaurkarma9460 were talking the shiboya maho so him having adoptions would make no sense
I don't see a way for kars to one shot mahoraga aside from possibly hamon and i could totally see mahoraga developing an ability to kill kars. If you include the spin off where kars have access to stands he could easily defeat mahoraga but that's not really cannon. If you do verse equalization where kars and mahoraga can possibly access the other verse's power system kars might absolutely destroy using curse energy and techniques since he mastered hamon instantly.
So maho wins 9/10 when you only consider cannonical feats but kars have the potential to destroy if verse equalization and novel feats are considered.
I might seem like I'm meat riding kars, but kars was kinda stupid op in the novel, he saw stands which imo aren't biologically based and he just copied and made improved versions there isn't really reasons why he can't just go I want that when he see curse energy and techniques
I do believe that in base mahoraga could develop something that works like vanilla ice or the hand to erase kars if given enough time but the abilities of Kars isn't really that fleshed out since he died before really showing his true capabilities with hamon or how he'd interact with other abilities.
the thing that a lot of peopole miss is that kars doesn't just adapt biologically but can also adapt to any type of energy, power, and even supernatural forces, meaning he will sense the cursed energy radiating from mahoraga then he'll be able to use cursed energy at max levels of mastery then use his extreme intelligence to figure out how to kill mahoraga just like sukuna did
i feel blessed to have seen the mahoraga fight in motion
I mean, mahoraga can adapt but not "instantly" like kars, but we could say that kars wins high-dif, but we dont know, they are both immovable objects and can both adapt to the situation (the one can adapt instantly while the one needs to like clarify it first before adapting to it) but in terms of like, raw power, kars can stomp but mahoraga can just use adaptation and just say "fck this situation im gonna adapt to it" and start to toe to toe with kars again, its like big bro vs lil bro but lil bro can adapt to the fight we dont know (i just hope that you talk about novel kars in jjk universe next time)
I would say that it is likely that as soon as kars understands that he needs to disintegrate mahoraga, he will probably adapt to hamon, i would also say that probably mahoraga would adapt to biology, as, somehow, he adapted to "slashes attacks in general" but kars is a little bit too fast for maho in general, i mean the best you can give him is lighting reaction, and that's very generous to him, i could see mahoraga winning in definetely
bro there's 0 chance for even sukuna to beat Ultimate kars so what can mahoraga himself even do .
1 attack from mahoraga he completely evades it effortless and then copies it and returns it 100x more
Cursed energy is a form of negative human emotion , And Hamon is life energy with all human source ands soul so just by theory hamon is similar if not superior to cursed energy
and now it just makes thus debate meaningless
@@Sohansen-vr8phSukuna gets beat by kars, doesn't mean Mahoraga gets beat by kars, Sukuna cant adapt, Mahoraga can, Sukuna couldn't bypass infinity by himself but Mahoraga did, Mahoraga took less than 5 spibs to adapt to Infinity, this debate is debatable, stop being biased
if sukuna can figure out how to beat mahoraga , a 400IQ 6000 yo Ultiamte lifeform definitely should @@DhaniKong-o3d
But wait can't kars just become mahoraga?@@DhaniKong-o3d
Just finished break, time to check what penquinz0 posted. Wait, a Kaleb vid? About JoJo? Hell yes brother
People keep saying Mahoraga will adapt to Hamon, but what I'm curious about is if Kars could actually replicate/gain CT as well as RCT?
If Jujutsu is something that only some humans can posses (not a select few, just a good "handful" of those with mastery over their CT to actually use it), theoretically Kars should be able to adapt his own CT like he did Hamon - which opens the door to a wild kaleidoscope of possibilities to what Kars could have
But that's a theoretical, and would require him to witness CT/RCT being used before him (?) in order to replicate
Ok issue is kars uses hamon once. mahoraga adapts. if he tries it again and mahoraga decides to keep adapating he will come up with more ways to counter the same thing
When sukuna commented on the adaptation he said that mahoraga adapted not only to his slashes but the concept of cutting in general
And when gojo fought him Gojo never once hit him with purple until he knew it would take him out if not GG's Mahoraga adapted to blue and was immune to all space attacks period
Purple is like atomic disintigration, existence erasure so it didnt fall under this
You are kind of ignoring manga information to give kars this win... Mahoraga adapted to an infinite sized concept, Yorozu's perfect sphere that had like infinite curavture of surface tension or something. And mahoraga also adapted a low level reality warping Slash in order to bypass gojo's infinity by cutting existence itself to get to him. Mahoraga might not make space for kars to get killed but he would make a solution. It would be crazy if kars developed hamon to fight hamon
Well like. If this is the same world like meshing jjk and jojo. Then ultimate kars can copy anything every jujutsu sorcerer does, since everything is genetic in the field of jujutsu
@@ДюсековИльяс That's not how jjk sorcery works though. JJK Sorcery works based on the soul and using the soul to generate cursed energy
The soul makes the body not the other way around so unless he has soul information which he does not. Since we know that soul info and body info are different he woudnt really get a crazy boost in potential from it
And i dont think that kars cant learn to use cursed energy like i know he is very smart but we already have people in jjk who are equal or better in iq unironically
Gojo and sukuna are just better than kenjaku who has lived for up to 3k years. Gojo isnt carried by his six eyes like he was in his teenage years he is just good
Even Sukuna thinks he can defeat mahoraga at 3fingers with pure skill and adjustment of his cursed energy like he has a huge hurdle to over come before he actually can do anything substantial with it and by then mahoraga would of killed him
Mahoraga has like innate instinct of how to use this stuff already. Can heal from being dust, fight mid bi section, going bigger to before taller than a sky scraper to adjust for a fight etc etc
Kars would just be outmatched
@@ДюсековИльяс Not exactly. Kars doesn't master hamon on sight. People forget this but Kars knows everything there is about hamon in theory, the guy fought thousands of hamon users for many years. He has more theoretical knowledge of hamon than any hamon user ever had - the only reason he couldn't use it is because he would die.
With his new form, he could use hamon, and so could just apply all this knowledge he had from before.
Kars never saw cursed energy, or any cursed techniques. Mahoraga is not a human, it's a shikigami, with no living DNA. Even if Kars can perceive cursed energy it's simply out of the question to assume he would instantly master it and create his own techniques. Even if he has potential to have every cursed technique + six eyes, he doesn't have the knowledge nor time to do it.
Mahoraga could likely adapt to damage Kars.
Against Sukuna , it changed it's "damage type" from positive energy to cursed energy
And became able to see Sukuna's normally invisible slashes.
Well
Why wouldn't it adapt the ability to generate radiation ? To destroy Kars' cells and make these cells unable to reproduce , stopping in ability to regenerate AND shapeshift
Meanwhile Kars is heavily limited by organisms from Earth
long story short , if a weakling like sukuna beat him...kars definitely kills him under 5 sec
@@Sohansen-vr8ph while later JoJo characters can get pretty high
Early ones don't really have that
Honestly stat wise they aren't far apart at all
Kars should have tardigrade DNA, which are able to survive insane amounts of radiation
Everyone gangstar until kars light novel and dio over heaven
At that point it cope by having to use non canon Characters
@@JJKfan..JJk meatrider
The Dead Cells soundtrack in the background ❤
I really really want to see a video by someone like you trying to break down which verse would be one of the best match ups for the majority of JJK.
Because a lot of the videos I see (including this one) are JJK top tiers being put up against people who out stat them to the point it’s not even funny, and thus the only conversation to be had is about whether their hax can win it.
And that’s cool because we all love the hax.
But just once I want I see some examples of JJK fighters (especially the mid to upper mid types like Todo, Geta, maybe even someone like Hakari) vs …….whoever you think would be like a really close battle.
Obviously people like Gojo can’t be used well because it all comes down to Limitless
But just a more normal JJK fighter vs someone from Hunter X Hunter or Tokyo Ghoul, or something closer to JJK’s level.
I have a suspicion Hunter X Hunter might be the answer since JJK was inspired by it so much but the top tiers in JJK would probably just insta win with domain expansions
So that’s why I’m trying to leave them out and focus on mid tier fighters.
Like who’s the strongest person the phantom troupe could fight in JJK?
Hisoka/Chrollo/Zeno/Silva/maybe even Pitou and Mereum or Netero
Vs disaster curses, or Yuta, or Kenjaku or Kashimo or if necessary Sukuna (Gojo is less interesting again because it’s just “no way through Limitless lul”)
Anyway just a thought
I’d make it myself but I have no editing software
Mahoraga: “Nah, I’d adapt”
Kars: “Nah, I’d learn”
Bro seems to have a heat seeking bomb in his ad segment
Mahoraga's ability to adapt pretty much infinetly to the same attack/defensive phenomenon is what gives him the edge, its entirely possible for it to adapt his attacks to strike the soul of the opponents, as people like Nanami (who is strong but compared to big hitters in the setoes kinda difficult to compare to) unconsciously protect their own soul. Mahoraga already did that with the world cutting slashes and positive energy slashes
bro this is nonsense , Solar powered Hamon turns Mahoraga to dust ~ game over , infact kars can easily solo both sukuna and mahoraga at once .
mahoraga's adaptation is very slow whereas kars can copy anything and amplify it 100 times
its NOT EVEN CLOSE
@@Sohansen-vr8ph it's so fun infact that I don't remember anyone being turned into ashes by Kars, infact he's most likely to use hamon once, not kill Mahoraga, the wheel spins, hamon becomes weaker
The adaptation isn't slow, once the wheel spins it's instant, and Infinite. Like a previous commenter said, Kars evolves in the realm of Biology, Mahoraga adapts to all phenoma. I n f i n e t l y
Since Mahoraga literally learned to slash the world and everything to bypass infinity after sharing a few blows with Gojo, Kars evolution doesn't matter if he doesn't instantly vaporize all of Mahoraga instantly with an attack. The only two attacks that killed Mahoraga, one was literally melting a city block of over 140 meter (because it was melting parts of the city that wasn't destroyed by Sukuna's domain) without even being fired, and the other one, unrestrained hollow purple. You see the problem? Kars lacks the destructive power to Mahoraga unless you just bend the rules and say "Kars knows of Mahoraga's adaptation and will use hamon at full power"
If you can't instantly disappear with Mahoraga with an attack the first time, you're not gonna win against Mahoraga
Bro lol u just dont understand , Kars can take down both Sukuna and mahoraga at once head on infact he could take on 100s of mahorage at once
Solar Hamon destroys every matter as it is said to be exactly as intense of sun heat and radiation and nothing in our galaxy can survive that lol
And here's the part how kars destroys 100s even 1000s of sukuna nd 1000s of mahoraga
Kars uses binary fisson of bacteria to multiply itself and amplify each clone of his by 100 time , he does it so rapidly like bacteria such that you have an entire country of 100000000 kars and ALL OF THEM ARE USING HAMON CANNON BLAST LOL !!! KARS IS AN ATZEC OMNIPOTENT IMMORTAL GOD....nothing can stop him there
besides as the highest life form with highest and maximum intellect he will easily figure out mahoraga's abilities and sukuna and everything there is in a split second and take effective counter measures
LOL not to mention the speed of Kars is such that Sukuna can launch 1000000 slash /hack attacks and none of them will even come close to touching kars , not to mention , kars armor is fking 100 times stronger than strongest living being too , there's just infinite ways Kars SOLOS your fav jjk anime verse all ALONE ~ hahah @@butters461
and MAHORAGA'S ABILITY to adapt is definitely QUITE SLOW , sukuna literally says that slowly he's adapting to his technique so cut ur BS Act here
And if kars used his hamon powers on joesph -the anime would end lol.....
accept reality kid @@butters461
@@Sohansen-vr8ph so that same ability, barely scratched Joseph would kill everything in the universe? Idk man seems like hyperbole to me, even then Mahoraga can adapt to it. Infinity is impossible to cross yet Mahoraga just disabled and bypassed it in one fight using the sword, he can and will adapt to Hamon
You know, the biggest problem with Mahoraga against Makima is the fact I love Mahoraga, so I'd defend him too much. But I also love Kars, so with equal speed, yeah, it's mostly even. However, Kars could probably tip the balance by just beating Mahroaga up, realising quickly how he adapts and brings out something new to beat him up. And if Mahoraga actually works like a cursed spirit and can't be killed without cursed energy, Kars just learns cursed energy. Simple as that, and this is because everyone has cursed energy. It just activates before they die or whatever, so Kars figures out how to activate it, makes his own cursed technique, and destroys him. And even without, I feel like he could just kill him with cursed energy and his blades because heres what I think about how Mahoraga adapts. The air around him does nothing. He adapts and can now shoot out airblasts. Its headcanon but it's a bloody cool headcanon. However, it took probably hundreds of slashes for Mahoraga to fully adapt, so I feel like the attack has to not be too lethal and not sheed through too much of his skin to adapt easier, and yes this is all headcanon it doesnt work like this but I dunno I am just ranting and anymore words would start flooding out of my phone.
I feel like if Kars were to win, he'd have to use everything at his disposal to completely obliterate mahoraga in the first hit. Otherwise, if that attack is a dud, Mahoraga would definitely adapt to it. If Kars spends too much time playing with Mahoraga, in the long run, the battle would probably turn over to Mahoraga's favour.
Basically, If Kars obliterates Mahoraga in the first hit (which I'm very certain he can, it's just his ego that makes it seem unlikely that he'd take Mahoraga that seriously), he wins. If he doesn't, Mahoraga wins. (but Kars might still have some chances considering Mahoraga wouldn't be able to adapt to all of Kars' attacks completely with the first wheel spin)
In fact, the best strategy is to use weak attacks on the mahoraga first and use your maximum on the last attack.
In the battle of sukuna and mahoraga in shibuya, sukuna himself managed to understand this and that's why he won. Mahoraga does not adapt instantly, So it's better to weaken him before he adapts and then kill him with your strongest blow
@@woshikage That too
If kars is light speed and so are the pillarmen then why can't they speed blitz the main character because he is just human but i guess that just make sense
I mean, Joseph and Caeser dogded the red stone of Aja's laser
Also kars like to toy with Joseph
thats like saying why didnt gojo just kill a 1 finger sukuna. or why didnt jiren just knock everyone out of the top at the start. ITS PLOT, also damn near the entire part they were toying with joseph
Either Kars deletes Mahoraga at the start, or Mahoraga slowly adapts to Kars’ nature completely. Mahoraga can adapt to any phenomena, after a minute or so of getting beat up, he would start seeing and fighting back against stands (for example). One-shot it or it continues adapting to literally anything you throw at it, as the adaptation is essentially unbound by logic
A minute is VERY generous. It took Mahoraga 4 wheel spins to create an ability that cuts reality (and yes, it can also adapt offensively). Mahoraga is VERY intelligent, it is bound by certain rules, but it has actual battle IQ. It would take one or two wheel spins before he is blasting Kars with gamma radiation or something so straight up erase his DNA.
@@ggwp638BC agreed i guess
If we give mahoraga the capacity to adapt to stands or hamon, Kars should be able to have/utilize CE and at that point, just seeing mahoragas positive energy sword would be enough for him to be able to expell DE, CT and RCT, no?
@@ggwp638BCCorrection: it took 5 spins.
@@duarteleite7261With 400 IQ of his, yeah.
I think Kars would adapt durability to survive a sword slash, and that would prompt mahoraga to adapt world-cutting to make durability a non-factor. Being bissected is definitely not enough to take down Kars, but that should give Mahoraga the capacity to adapt enough strength and speed to atomize Kars. Kars might be able to adapt some kind of ultimate form of hamon to nuke Mahoraga, but if he tries any hamon before that and mahoraga adapts to hamon then he loses his only viable option.
na , kars has infinite ways to kill mahoraga , poison , virus , absorb mahoraga , use nuclear fission etc
The very ruoe that will decided the win would be "If Kars can potentially uses curses too"
The problem is with biological evolution Kars will 100% reach his limitations. However this won't be the case uf Kars somehow by luck devoured a curse user snd discovered what's a curses technique is.
He will pretty much have the DNA or regeneration to sacrifice for the curses and give birth to infinite variety of them.
The most broken about Kars if the curse rule works on him is he can procreation of any life in the planet...
Yes meaning once he developed a curses technique it will be "Creation of life" level of curses...
This is something pretty much going to be rooted to the origin of life.
If you think I'm too overcooked with this? Think again...
1) Mahito curse that controls all human he touch is the "Curse of humanity"
2) There's also curse represent natural disaster too like Jugo.
3) There's also curses artificial created by humans too by HOW they curses their targets.
You can see that "curses" depending on the user like their power, nature and what they will sacrifice with.
So his curses will be origin of life. The dude has every DNA...
Maharaga does Kars so dirty it's actually not even fair
I’d def say kars simply cuz the more complicated the technique the harder it is for mahoraga to adapt people say he’ll adapt to like kars immortality but that’s allot more complicated than infinity so would take longer and we don’t know how much longer
Kars has superior adaptation. Mahoraga adapts to cursed techniques and cursed energy, while having insane regen and being basically the culmination of all ten shadows.
Kars is the powers of all life combined and perfected
compare twoh's reality warping with gremmy's visionary next to see whose reality warping ability is superior
I would say it's a case of the strongest shield vs the strongest shield. Both shouldn't be able to deal a fatal blow to their opponent.
Now as someone else said, Mahoraga adaption and evolution is to the extent of the abstract, which defies conventional logic. Mahoraga should theoretically be able to adapt to The Wonder of U's calamity laws; But all that is none of our concern as Mahoraga only adapts to damage taken, or external stimuli.
Leaving the Big Maho with the positive blade. Which shouldn't be fatal to Kars, as the ultimate lifeform that can use yang energy(hamon). Now I'm over-generalizing powers into Yin and Yang attributes from reading too many webnovels, and the fact that this is a cross-genre comparision.
So Cursed Energy and Vampires = Yin attribute.
Reversed Cursed Technique, Positive energy, and Hamon = Yang attribute.
Although in JJK, Positive energy attacks or positive energy blade(The one Mahoraga wields) is said to be extremely effective against Cursed spirits, it wouldn't deal fatal damage to both Mahoraga(as he can simply adapt against it) and Kars(Since evolution into the Ultimate lifeform took away his weakness to Yang attribute).
Kars vs Mahoraga fight would probably be one that'd last for few years, and would only end because either Kars got too mentally tired of fighting, or Mahoraga goes back to the shadow realm.
I just thought kars can just hamon him send ripples through mahoraga's body and blow him up with the power of the sun. Or allow him to adapt to that then hit him with another move to destroy him completely
Kars hit Joseph with hamon "as hot as the sun" and it only burned the surface of his knee, yet Joseph is shown to be a normal human with enhanced abilities throughout the series.
If this battle happen, 3 things will happen
1. Kars starting to beat the crap out of mahoraga before he even get a chance to adapt and erase him
2. Kars toying with mahoraga which eventually mahoraga will adapt and will counter his stand but kars will just use another stands or evolve further making it impossible fof mahoraga to keep up
3. Kars use each different stands against mahoraga so that mahoraga can adapting to all of it and eventually end with kars got bored and kill him
Overall, kars will win no matter what mahoraga do, even if he's able to kill him
Kars will just gonna come back eventually
Only novel kars can use stands
No kars cant.
Heres 2+ reasons why.
Number 1 , shikigami arent life forms, if they are or you consider them to be so, he wins.
Number 2:(manga spoilers ahead stop reading)
Mahoraga can cut the world and the universe itself as stated in the gojo vs mahoraga+nue+sukuna fight, since it atates sukuna learnes to cut the world after witnessing mahoraga do it. Easy claps (if you agree with reason 1)
But we are talking the megumu one so maybe kars i guess
He is using shibuya mahoraga + Kars could learn how to use cursed energy and cursed techniques, so he could easily one shot mahoraga with the hollow purple
@@UtorrentDaSilvalmao delusional
@@JJKfan.. Kars has all the DNA of all living things, so he could learn all the cursed techniques like he did with the hamon
@@UtorrentDaSilvano he can’t Lmao this is purely Mahoraga vs KARS no ONE ELSE IS PRESENT Mahoraga Would ADAPT TO ANYTHING Kars throws him at him lmao He’s literally Vastly superior Kars feats aren’t even above city block level As Mahoraga IS LITERALLY STATED TO ADAPT TO ANY Phenomenon Kars has Zero ways to One shot him
Kaleb I.a. You needed curse energy to hurt Mahorage!
Mahoraga was basically Doomsaday on Steroids
Nuh huh buddy, Doomsday is a leagues of his own with haxs and power, what are you talking about?!
aint no way bro just said that 💀
Bro thought he was cooking
Drink some clown juice🤡
Mahoraga: "So it's the same type of stand as Star Platinum."
Kars: "So it's the same type of stand as Star Platinum."
Close fight but Mahoraga out adapts and if Kars can't finish him off in the first few minutes he is going to experience alot of trouble ever putting Mahoraga down. This is anime Kars though. I believe novel Kars is way stronger or something. Kars adapts using every life form on earth which is seen especially when he can't adapt to cope with being in the freezing space. Mahoraga can adapt to ANY phenomena.
If we talking FP Mahoraga in the manga then his best feats are having a reality slash and can cut infinity. He's immune to all slashes. Immune to attacks on the soul. Has tanked red, blue, a FP black flash from Gojo and destroyed Gojo's unlimited void domain. He also adapted to the domain thanks to Meguna so we can even say Mahoraga is immune to infinite information trying to fry his brain (doubt he even has a brain since he's simply a shikigami) Has tanked Sukuna's domain.
Two things that ever took him out was basically a fire arrow nuke and another molecular level destroying nuke (hollow purple)
If Kars vaporizes mahoraga with his hamon in a big laster (like Sakuna did) he wins. Otherwise idk if he can.
Kars is absurdly smart so it’s possible.
Can you do it these matchups?
Rohan vs Inumaki (writing vs speaking)
🧊Ghiaccio vs Jogo🔥
The dead cells theme in the background gave me ptsd
We want a Kaleb x Broken Ronin collab.
1:20 "grip strength" ayo?😏
A thing I don't see Kaleb consider is Mahoraga clearly in the manga adapts to even Gojo's Infinite Void and Blue and Red and all that, and would've adapted to Hollow Purple if Gojo hadn't used it to its literal fullest potential engulfing Mahoraga whole, that's also the thing with Sukuna in Shibuya, it took a Nuclear Bomb from Sukuna to atomize Mahoraga which left no room for Mahoraga to adapt because it was ALREADY adapting to Malevolent Shrine, I don't see Kars having the capability to do that, MAYBE, and I'm just saying a big MAYBE Kars has the capability to replicate a lightning strike so powerful that it disintegrates Mahoraga and that's just headcannon because that Sun Touch thing you mentioned Kars can do probably wouldn't be enough as we saw Mahoraga get cut up to the point of being a filleted fish and still regenerate, so anything below disintegration would simply no work on Mahoraga as he can very easily so adapt to physical phenomena and as shown with Gojo has more trouble adapting to conceptual phenomena that instead of manipulating the universe, warp it, so it would take an insane Hamon feat from Kars to actually one-shot Mahoraga so, and if Mahoraga isn't defeated in the beginning minutes of the fight, it quite literally is GG as Mahoraga would basically adapt to all phenomena pertaining to energy such as plasma and fire, and the excuse that the Mahoraga that went against Gojo isn't the same as the one Sukuna fought doesn't work as Sukuna doesn't use the Ten Shadows to make him stronger, only more obedient, and also doesn't mix Mahoraga with any other Shikigami like he did with Agito
TL;DR: If fight is longer than few minutes, Mahoraga probably wins, if Kars uses INSANE, and I mean INSANE Hamon feat, maybe Mahoraga loses
Though if any of you guys know any feats that Kars has that might be able to one-shot Mahoraga please tell me because I only started Jojo's from Part 3 onward
@@BuetifullPersun that might not actually work because it’s essentially just throwing steam, it’s not actual firepower like Sukuna
He could probably replicate the Venom of boomslang and pray that it rots mahoraga from the inside out
@@KvngLeroy1 Mahoraga can well adapt to that, as we saw in the anime he got sliced up to bits yet still healed and managed to adapt fully
@@BuetifullPersun This is actually way more plausible, he could probably win if he uses this to a wide degree in a large area of attack
Some people can’t wrap their minds around any and all like it’s not that hard if it exists he can adapt if it dosent exist and exists now he can adapt any and all means any and all (ALLL)
Mahoraga I believe is really only allowed 8 adaptations per person.
If Kars among doesn't oneshot mahoraga, there is no wincon for him.
finally facts❤
It would be a draw both of them will adapt to every move and defense they use
Here's the thing Mahoraga might be able to adapt to energies and imaginary objects, but Kars never used hamon, saw it used in ultimate form ONCE, and had an understanding and manipulation of it 100x more powerful than Joseph Joestar, so if he sees cursed energy he'll have it and probably immediately have a domain expansion etc, I think if you give Kars this, his AP is enough to get around Mahoraga's adaptation speed in one hit, otherwise make Hamon skill Cursed Energy skill and perhaps he could beat Mahoraga as Fuga isn't nearly as powerful as the sun, more like just a city level bomb, so the Hamon couuuuuld work if Kars had enough to understand to Oneshot Mahoraga, otherwise Mahoraga wins....
Can you do Mahito powers explained or Mahito vs Kūgo Ginijō from the bleach fullbringer arc
Nah I'd adapt vs Nah I'd evolve
Sukuna can't kill kars because he would just adapt. That is his whole thing. He would just adapt to everything mahoraga did. Also, you could say kars don't have cursed energy, but i think its better to say he doesn't have a CT, but he does have, cursed energy. The fight would most probably end in a draw neither of them would be able to kill each other also remember kars can give himself any genetic trait so he can give himself six eyes also!! Remember kars can regenerate his whole body from 1 cubic centimeter in seconds trying to cut him would be like trying to cut water. KARS CAN BECOME SUKUNA he would solo jjk universe accept reality and quit the maho glaze
So Mahorago can adapt to basically anything based on the video. My question is this! Could Mahorago defeat Wonder of U?
Not really. Wonder of U kinda controls every concept below Calamity technicallly, due to being Calamity itself. So he could probably pull some reality warping or luck manipulation to kill Mahoraga.
Actually i think if given enough could
@@randomyoutuber2633 WoU is overrated kinda, if what wankers would say about would be true intention of shotting non existant bubble would kill Gappy but it didn't. Only stand which triumphs Makora is GER and MAYBE TA4 but likely makora could adapt to infinite spin.
wou is THE strongest stand in the jojo verse, besides non canon like twoh or the LN@@MaciejBednarczyk
@@loganrice2708 ...And Araki said same for GER, it was while ago but still. Araki also never said that WoU is strongest stand overall just most terryfying stand of main antagonist, not strongest stand overall.
I know that new generation of powerscalers just found battle boarding but at least trust your sources.
Kars can't one shot, mahoraga adapts.
But actually, mahoraga could 100% adapt to hamon, and if we use his manga feats, he could probably adapt to his immortality, and his speed
Bro turns into mahoraga
At the moment that mahoraga adapts to kars's speed, Kars is gone
Ultimate "cars a pixar movie"
Mahoraga demonstrates insane amounts of intelligence. Restricting him to Shibuya arc feats is injecting bias. If we are measuring intelligence based solely on speech and calculation we are restricting him as well.
Mahoraga has been shown to not only “adapt” to physical harm but interpret that information for his own use.
Firstly adapting to slashing so that all forms of being cut had no effect.
Secondly he adapted to infinity developing the “world cutting slash” that cuts through space and time. Let that resonate for a moment. Sukuna learned that from Mahoraga.
Recall the statement that Mahoraga is the ultimate “late throw” in Rock Paper scissors. I don’t see an easy win but a relentless adaptation creating a more ultimate being who can and will destroy the fabric of reality to kill his target. You undersell him quite a bit.
Mahoraga adapted to be able to cut _reality itself_ and you think he couldn't adapt to create a vacuum?
tardigrades
I'm really curious where this "Kars has light speed reaction" his greatest speed feat is cutting all the bullets coming at him. There is no evidence he can improve it even in peak condition. Especially considering the speed of light is 299,792,458 mph. Can you really picture Kars dodging something at that speed. Like actually catching it with his blade. Mahoraga can keep up with Sukuna who can move faster than the eye can see, and Kars blocking would be meaningless since Mahoraga can punch right through him since Kars can't come up with a defense that can stop something powerful enough to cause shockwaves with it's hits.
I think people are trying to scale him to Jotaro who was briefly stated one time by Araki to be capable of fighting (not traveling) at light speed, which makes no sense as Kars literally has no feats to even scale him to Star Platinum. His best feat is burning the skin off of Joseph's knee with his hamon and developing armor to survive in lava. AP and speed wise, Kars is actually not that great at all. Almost all of his impressive feats relate to durability, mostly due to his immortality.
Keep in mind this is a Jojo channel. Jojo fans are horrifically biased most of the time and do not care about no limits fallacies, hence why you get so many people claiming Giorno can beat multiversal level characters by "reverting them to zero", when his best feat is beating up a dude who punches holes in people and has no other feats besides crushing a computer keyboard lol.
i mean, kars does have light speed reaction time
What has he reacted to that moved at light speed? Even characters like Star Platinum don't have light speed (Plenty of things have gotten by Star Platinum's defense that were not light speed)@@loganrice2708
When has he reacted to anything at light speed?@@loganrice2708
kars does not evolve or adapt, rather he can mimick the genetic traits of organisms and use them, there is a chance that if kars was in the jjk universe to fight mahoraga he would just copy the abilities of the sorcerers to win kinda like what he did with hamon.