Digimon Tri: A Problematic Sequel | Billiam
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Digimon Adventure Tri is the long awaited sequel to Digimon Adventure. After finishing up this year, it is apparent it has many problems.
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Them cutting out the 02 kids really messed me up. They should have at least mentioned that they were missing and went out to go and look for them
I wish that the OG kids went looking for the 02 kids in the Tri movies.
ESPECIALLY SINCE KARI AND TK LITERALLY WERE IN 02 WITH THEM!!
Yeah... it's like the writing team and director hated 02 in the first place... plus apparently the director Keitaro Motonaga _didn't watch the original 1999 series... and never will._ YEEESH!!
@@michaellam2508in their defense... a lot of us hated 02.
Sorry not sorry.
@@jaysonklein6018 It wasn't perfect but I liked 02. Especially Hikari's look!
My biggest problem was when Leomon died...again. Remember how Mimi reacted to his death in the first series? Here, he dies and the digidestined barely react and then he's never mentioned again.
I think the make hets leoman the kepe kill im ever time he in digimon sires like wtf
Oh my god they killed Leomon! You bastards!
Adventures, Tamers, Tri...it might be easier to look for examples of when Leomon doesn't die...He's like the Lancer of the Fate franchise.
Tea Burn He's the Sean Bean of the Digimon World.
Mysticgamer totally agree
God, the cast is so big. How can we develop them all in just 24 episode?
Well simple, let's just introduce a new character.
A lot like Flcl, the original was excellent. Expanded universe wtf
Ah yes, logic
@@kadosho02
What's Flcl
@@DrawciaGleam02 fooly cooly, made by gainax, released 20 years ago
It’s odd why ALL the digimon movies put focus on new characters
The biggest issue I have with Tri is how uninterested all the characters seem to be regarding the problems around them. Most of the time they seem to be more interested in their own teenage problems and only bother to act when the bigger issue knocks at their doorsteps.
Seriously, it takes all of their partners to get infested and the Digital World itself to get reseted for them to finally go there to see what is happening. Prior to that they just take Maki's words at face value and don't even notice four of their suppoosedly friends are missing for weeks. They make one token attempt when they see the Kaiser seems to be back, but that's it and they quickly go back to their lives when that fails.
To be short, I think Tri seems to be more intrested in telling a slice of tife story with the original kids most of the time than actually developing its plot and that resulted in a problematic pacing in a series that doesn't seem to know where it wants to do or where to go.
In the original series the Digidestined team were always struggling with making solid plans. They just didn't always have enough information but in spite of that, they were always active in (at the very least) making baby steps in any direction.
"Let's climb infinity mountain"
"Let's figure out how to get our crests to work"
"Let's try splitting up"
"We need to find the eighth child but have no clues, lets try calling random kids and walk all over the city if we have to."
Even if it was a step in the wrong direction like Tai's plan to get Agumon to ultimate level that led him to Dark digivolve you could at least see the logic in how they came up with that plan. I loved their trial and error process of strategizing.
In Tri everyone is SO passive. Izzy is the only one who takes any initiative. Things just happen to them regardless of any choices they make, or they just wait for things to happen. It's so frustrating.
Zigulart aren’t most teenagers close minded where they only worry about their own problems (Yea that is most teenagers) and what did you miss this is meant to be more of a slice of life then a battle anime
Well when you have conspiracy going on, I think slice of life BS can wait. The creators really should focused more on the plot.
I am honestly surprised how bad Tri is. I dropped it 4 years ago after episode 1 of movie 2. I recently decided to watch it completely before reconsidering to watch the reboot of Digimon 2020 or Kizuna. Biggest Mistake.
I can safely say I rather watch Fusion and it's terrible sequel than Tri again.
@UC-4bfqJB29K6RIpvpTRR3hA Do you really expect "realism" from Digimon?
I still want dark crests... Crest of hate. Crest of fear. Crest of loneliness. Maybe with adults using these or some evil group. Idk I've just always wanted it
That sounds interesting.
Adults that take advantage of orphans???
My Crest would be the Crest of Guilt.
Thanks for the idea. I'm a screenwriter. Your wish is done.
Wow that's cliché has hell but I love it xD
Let's stay clear from the 7 deadly sins though. That's been over done.
But they should totally have like a phantom troupe/team rocket esc. Secret hideout in some building ruin.
I love those hangouts xD
The lack of emotions when they saw Tai supposed dead drive me crazy. But i understand you, the power of nostalgia is immense, i always going to love Digimon, even if the series gets worse.
I would't expect at least Kari to rush to her brother.
*taichi seemingly dies*
Everyone: "oh no! Anyways..."
What pissed me off was at the very end when Kari was upset with Tai for making the decision to destroy meikomon, when in the third movie with Willis, she wasn’t afraid to help the team destroy Willis’s Digimon since the virus made him go insane. I also feel like the virus thing was cool but it has been played out before and maybe they could have connected the two together to make a good story.
The first Digimon movie was actually split from 3 different like ovas kind of? The first 2 with 01 is Canon and the last one with the 02 kids isn't.
The movie you're referring to isnt canon
@@1terraforce It is canon because everything made by Toei Japan and Bandai Japan is canon to the franchise. It appears that it isnt in the same timeline as the others, but it has never been confirmed
@@renjuno1991 I shouldve clarified...the English isnt canon cuz they literally chopped up 3 movies and made 1 out of it. The English version of digimon the movie makes no sense because half the story was cut out
The difference is that they knew Willis’s digimon would be reborn because they were in the digital world. Meicoomon was killed in the real world. Digimon killed in the real world aren’t reborn so I’m sure that’s where the hesitation in Tri came from.
As a fan of 02 and Ken Ichijouji in particular, Tri made me very, very mad.
How did Ken even go back to being evil??? Was that ever explained
Same bro...same.
@@TheVermillion97 Gouenji??
@@Chinchi0123 it wasn't Ken, did you watch the series? They repeatedly make it very apparent.
@Ethan Kellerman you kinda got that right with Cody
Like I wanted to like Meiko and Meicoomon when they were introduced, but Tri handled them so poorly that I ended up hating them both. And your absolutely right, Mei and Meiccomon are the symptom, they're not the cause of Tri's problem. It's Tri trying to insert way too many storylines that are hard to link together with so few episodes/films that it doesn't work when they should've just picked two or three of those ideas to focus on.
Also, the mistreatment done to the 02 cast is horrific, especially considering how TK and Kari were basically like "LA LA. We don't know why they've gone. LA LA. Who cares!"
You would think that after Act 1 ended with Omegamon and Alphamon fought to a draw, the 01 crew would look for the 02 crew, since they are needed for the most powerful Digimon they have access to.... (That's the fusion of Omegamon and Imperalmon Paladin Mode, BTW.)
Okay, I have to admit adding the Digirap in that fight sequence totally made it cooler.
That was something I thought Tri was greatly lacking, a great soundtrack. Whether it was the Digivolutions or when one of the Digimon is about to attack, the original Adventure and 02 had such great music to back the moment!
@@Mad.Dog.Murdoch
*Tri overused Braveheart so much it became boring. It should've been reserved for special moments, not every single goddamn fight and transformation. At least the old dub soundtrack had exciting fight music.*
*Just watch these 2 fan-made Digimon Tri trailers using the old dub soundtrack. It's better.*
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I was pretty annoyed that they didn't bring back "Here We Go" "Let's Kick It Up" nor "Run Around" in any of the movies. They just used the Japanese music, which they never did in the first 2 series. The English production team clearly got lazy...
that crap its disgusting
No it was cringe
Holy shit, I JUST realized they basically didn’t acknowledge the evil Ken at all. Why even put him in there then?!?
For nostalgia.
Fanservice
Showing that the 02 cast wasn't retconed
They were just like “oh yeah he’s here btw” and then forgot his existence 💀
There was one scene in the first movie where Izzy was explaining something SUPER important to everyone. But then the shot is suddenly panned to everyone talking to each other over Izzy, who was still talking about this super important information (It was the same situation in the English Dub too). I'm like "what kind of editing is this? This didn't happen in the previous seasons. So why now is this happening?" This is super important information from Izzy, but apparently their conversation was more interesting than Izzy's. 😒
Joe claimed to have a girlfriend. OF COURSE that was more important!!! xD
my biggest problem with TRI is how they had the main cast never once ask where the B-team (adventure 2 kids) were except the one time they saw the digimon emperor, i dont care if they had an excuse that they controlled information when the B-team was taken captive, but they dont ever mention them, that was a glaring plot hole to me
idem
Even if most hate the 02 cast they still should've actually been mentioned, shown and have the others actually care about their disappearance.
remember when they cheered at defeating ken, who who the time they thought it truly was him, ya wtf was with that
They end up being imprisoned in the digital world and you really gotta look out to catch that moment. Tai comes back with them and you still don't see them, I was honestly wondering if they died in those tubes in the digital world by the end of the movie...
especially T.K and Hikari...don't get me wrong I love those two but because of that I am going to be a little bit more critical towards them...
"a Digimon virus that makes Digimon act violently is really interesting"
...umm, wasn't that the plot in the first series, the only difference being the virus was represented by a 'dark gear' or something?
I guess it is more the "virus" part, that is interesting. They destroyed black gear like nothing after a while, but a virus that seems to have infected the very fabric of the DigiWorld? Not so much. But I completely understand where you're coming from.
Yeah, the black gears were a very physical things that the DigiDestined specifically could destroy, but this virus is actually infecting their internal code? Realistically, the plot is the black gears without the 'power increase' they gave, since no one bats an eye at destroying any of the infected digimon, except their own.
not to mention the movie with willis and diaboromon...
Besides, the black gears were a thing for only... 10 episodes? And just a manageable annoyance for the first villain to piss off the kids
They also reused them in 02
Meiko isnt a mary sue SHES A LIVING CLICHE.
@ShadowSamuel Since "flawed" characters became trendy, we have a new kind of Mary Sue. Meiko is an "anti Mary Sue", hijacking the plot just like a mary sue, but through character flaws that are supposed to make you and the cast go "AWWWWW" It's like superheroes going all dark and edgy in the 90's because anti-heroes trying and failing to copycat The Dark Knight Returns were all the rage back then.
you know what else is a cliché? How in each movie a new character and digimon is introduced just so they can die at the end... only with meicoomon her death doesnt mean much yami genai gets away with libra and king drasil the entity who set everything into motion is easily shut down by homeostasis
@@bluebirdsigma To my understanding, a big part of a character being a Mary Sue is that they have no flaws... and any flaws they DO have are only meant to serve the character becoming more endearing to the audience. "Oh, I'm just so clumsy all the time!" "Oh, I am just too terribly shy to say anything to people about good things I did!" etc.
@@CryptidMom yep, and then you take that to the extreme and you get those eternally suffering spotlight hogs, the "damsels in psychological distress"
And damsel
What bugs me the most about adventure tri is that mimi has the chance to prevent all of this but she didn’t. If you don’t know what I mean I’ll explain: On lilymons debut episode she used her floral reef attack to cure a Digimon virus that made black tyranamon evil. At no point in adventure tri does Lilymon or Mimi decide to test this out.
Probably wouldnt work tbh. DarkTyranamomon's virus, although not explored in the anime, was said to be made via human hackers in the reference book. The virus in tri was more divine in nature.
It wouldn't have worked because it wasn't a formal virus, it was a remaining packet of data from Apocalymon that Yggdrasil somehow obtained and used in Nov 1999 to create Meicoomon to begin its master plan. Apocalymon isn't necessarily a digimon either, but an entity created by the regrets of digimon who died out in the evolutionary process. Apocalymon itself doesn't even need a physical form to exist. This was not something that Lillymon could have simply "cured" away with its powers.
Omg I forgot that
@@jacobfamily4544
True but it probably would've been nice to try and show the audience the failure rather than leave it to speculation
If not Lilymon, there could have also been MagnaAngemon who has the power of Holy Disinfection. Honestly the fact TK doesn't even think to have Patamon digivolve to try to cleanse the infection really bugs me.
The sad fact is: Nostalgia sells. This ruined Digimon Tri. They could've invested more time into writing a good story but all they did is show us the original cast in school, it was boring. There could've been so much complexity if they went in depth about the disappearance of the 02 cast, and possibly even show them being lost in the digital world trying to find a way out. Digimon Tri was a waste of potential, unfortunately.
OddKidd i do believe they are doing a separate season for the 02 crew. Also... Did we watch the same OVA series? As far as moral conflicts, and choices went, Tri was far more complicated than 01.
01 was a case of Do this, beat the big bad, then go and do that to beat another big bad. Complexity never really hit until they got their crests in which the tamers had to face trials that put their core traits to the test. Even then that was still pretty straight forward.
02 is where things got weird and complicated. All in all Tri had its issues. All of which Billiam addresses and I agree with. But to say there is no complexity is so wrong.
This is the series that puts everything they did to question. Forces some very cruel choices on them, and finishes off with a very bittersweet finish.
Those core aspects were great about Tri. The execution.... Not so much. I really wish they had extended this a bit further and taken more time with things. It probabky would have been flawless if they did.
OddKidd The story wasn’t the problem as much as it was the execution.
they had a fucken spa house scene and their was 0 fan service 0 out of 10 ....... hell even the original show had more fan service.
KorgCrimson yeah but the plot kind of got to complicated, you know? I'm still confused as to what happened to himikawa, Tapirmon, & Alphamon.
nekonekopanic nekonekopanic
There was fan service... For the ladies.
The thing that annoyed me about the Digimon Emperor's return being Dark Gennai, was that, there was no reason for Dark Gennai to masquarade as the Emperor. It was literally done to hype the fans up as it played nothing for the story.
Now if maybe, when the digital world was reset, the data from the Digimon Emperor resurfaced as it's own entity (as when Ken threw away his Emperor clothing it dispersed into data), then that could have been cool. Imagine? An 'old save file' of the Digimon Emperor, separate from Ken, genuinely hating the Adventure/02 kids and attempting to retake over the digital world, WHILE the 02 kids were missing, AND the other stuff that was going on? That would've been cool.
Also, the fact that the 02 kids were defeated in silhouttes and not brought up again was weird. Why were they there without Kari and Tk? Why were they not surprised or in disbelief when they saw Ken as the Emperor? :/
I agree and that would be totally awesome. I hated it turned out fake for the Digimon Emperor.
I'm annoyed just at the fact that they made Gennai a villain. To me, in a way, Gennai is to Digimon as Yoda is to Star Wars. Imagine if Yoda story arc ended with Yoda going to the dark side and Luke having to kill him. That's absurd! Gennai going dark was just as absurd to me. I agree with you. I think what they should have done is something similar to the English Dub of Yu-Gi-Oh! did. They should have made it so that King Drasil somehow resurrected the dark side of Ken AKA The Digimon Kaiser/Emperor, not having a Dark Gennai wear the Digimon Emperor/Kaiser as a costume.
@@ThatFanBoyGuy: I could have been okay with Dark Gennai, especially if he was explicitly corrupted by King Drasil and so not acting evil of his own free will. What's inexcusable to me is never resolving that plot point. Gennai is neither restored to his original self, nor is he killed, he's just still off somewhere scheming up some new evil plan.
I'd say my greatest issues are
1. Meiko does nothing plot relevant during the entire show, except maybe the password at the very end. She is mostly just a walking talking plot device for Meicoomon.
2. Mediocre writing and pacing. I've seen worse, but there are still a lot of problems. The story feels rushed, written on the fly. The plot progression is all over the place, I guess they didn't really set any priorities for the narration.
My only issue is that Hikari and Takeru never got together. My life is a lie.
@@junnihae2685 c'mon....it's pretty much there! He literally waits by her side to wake up as EVERYONE ELSE is fighing Meicoomon. He says many things to the effect that he likes her. Couldn't be clearer they like each other
@@david-jonballinger6638 I meant like an actual date. But I guess it's still there.
To me the Mega Evolutions came out of left field and for the most part weren't memorable. When a Digimon gets a new Evolution, it should be a Stay-with-you moment. But there were no indication that a character fullfilled a Mega level condition and while the action was good it didn't give me any lasting impression.
For example of a stay-with-you moment from Adventure: MetalGreymon's first appearence.
No exciting battle. It didn't last for long. Tai and MetalGreymon just approached a powered-up Etemon and used just 1 attack. It wasn't badass. There was no badass fight. But it was memorable. It was satisfying.
Heck, even the Armor Digi-Evolution were more hype. Yeah, Magnamon is too be expected, but there is stuff like Submarinemon or Flamedramon. There were hype moments.
Even the password people could have guessed since both Meiko and the digimon used that word from their dialet. In fact it should have been the second thing to try after Meiko name lol
They seriously needed better writers.
@asian dude they might need inspiration from Digimon Tamers and a mix of something else..
@asian dude yes.
Man! I was excited when they had first came out, or at least when they announced new content; involving the OG crew. I remember getting at least the first 4 sets that came out, but it kept getting hard to keep up when the next set of dvd/blu ray would come out. So one thing leads to another, and the further the story kept going; it felt bland to a certain degree. I lost interest... Not that I didn't love Digimon, I still do. It's just, the story didn't compelled me to wanting to keep it going, so I'm left leaning on nostalgia; which can only take you but so far. Overall, I'm thankful for this review, so maybe I'm not totally by myself in this feeling lol.
They need to stop milking & extend past adventure story to be precise. The chapter already end in good way. The only thing they should do is a dark ocean
They need better Script Writers
Meiko was boring but not hate-worthy. I got very tired of the way she overshadowed every single aspect of the show, but that pales in comparison to how upset I was over the 02 cast's treatment. The complete and utter disregard for them was unforgivable. If they aren't included in this upcoming sequel either and get the same shitty treatment, then I will not be watching a single minute of it.
I strongly feel like leaving out the 02 cast was a deliberate move to not confuse or alienate casual fans that only saw the first series as kids. I'm almost 100% positive about that
Nah it's fine that 02 kids where left behind. They wouldn't had contributed in any regard anyway...except of Ken who was the only noteworthy person from the 02 addition (saying addition since even TaKari contributed to 02 more than the actual 02 chars).
The ending itself teases like another season coming... Yet it never did
TK and kari are in the same class as the 02 kids. It doesn't even bother them that they are gone
Shush, shush, shush shush, shush, I'm sure they'll eventually let us watch them die.
Digimon was originally a boy version of tamagachi, the only relation between digimon and pokemon is the mon at the end.
we know. Haven't you seen his video on Digimon Adventure 01?
@Dark of the knight Pokemon is Pocket Monster. Satoshi Tajiri created the word because you capture MONSTERS and then put them in your POCKET. Everyone knows what Digimon means they're constantly spamming it in the theme song.
And the fact that your digimon can actually die
@@narudayo5053 Yes he can die but not for so long . Also I noticed something : if you make your Digimon battle a lot in the 1st Digimon virtual pet , he will become an evil Digimon , like skullgreymon that had his flesh completely removed because of too much battling 😨 but the second wave of Digimon , when the original creator of tamagotchi stopped working on it I believe , battling a lot was showed as something good : instead of hurting the Digimon , it trained him , and if you battle a lot , instead of battling " too much " and getting skullgreymon / virus Metalgreymon you get a friendly and very powerful Digimon . That's how the serie totally changed . Is this commentary too much ? Yes .
I honestly felt more invested and impacted by maki and tapirmons story and outcome then I did about meicoonmon and mei.
Himekawa was a BRILLIANT idea for an antagonist. An old digidestined who lost her partner, became bitter and pushed her friend away when he couldn't offer her any answers, and then became so desperate to see her digimon again that she'd be willing to team up with the big main villain just for that chance? That's the exact kind of tragedy I could see potentially happening to any of the main cast. Not only that but her pushing Nishijima away tied in with the lesson that the main cast has to learn, that they are all at their strongest when they are all on the same page."
I felt so let down that once her backstory was revealed, it didn't lead to anything. She wanders off and I guess died in the dark ocean? Her and Nishijima should have had a more hopeful and happier ending but Himakawa didn't even get a definitive conclusion.
@@MadameTamma I'm upset that Himekawa had like, no real closure. Just lost in the Dark Ocean. It upsets me even more because her English VA is also my favorite one, Cherami Leigh! Honestly, I really wish they had done this all better. Less cuts, more action...
Hah, I have the entire movie series and it's alright and has hype fights but man...Himekawa deserved better and we never even saw Drasil! X.x
Huh... That's right... We didn't even get a clear answer of what happened to her.
@@MadameTamma Tri will become the best thing ever if they actually finish the story like there’s a lot of good plots like that and dark gennai also Yggdrasil
I think that was part of the intent. Their fate was tied together, but each handled it very differently. And Himekawa took it pretty hard and did a lot more damage than Meicoomon ever did.
Leomon died and there was no reaction to that. ABSOLUTELY NONE
I dont know why ppl care about this so much(thats a lie i do know why) its the writers way of meeting one of the quotas for a digimom anime series. These being:
At least one of the royal knightmons in the plot
Leomon dieing
Having googles boi as mc etc
It’s not like the characters are aware he’s the Sean Bean of Digimon. Tri turned the the Digidestined into self-centered assholes.
He dies too much
@@kingoflions827 Marcus from Data Squad
Lol. They were like, he keeps dying, nothing new.
There's a scene in 02 in which Jou ditches an important exam to go help Gomamon, and literally tells Iori that he would NEVER choose something as stupidly mundane as an exam over being with Gomamon.
What happens in Tri? Jou is missing for the entirety of movie 1 and spends 90% of movie 2 purposefully ditching Gomamon, and he doesn't even do it for an exam, just because an exam is coming sometime at an unspecified future date and he apparently has to study 24 hours a day for it until it happens.
That's how out of character these characters are.
Taichi's conflict doesn't make sense because it's not like he's fighting because he wants to, he's trying to stop infected digimon from running wild and destroying the world, Yamato is set up to win the argument against Taichi and then the whole thing goes nowhere, Sora is completely devoid of a personality and her conflict with Piyomon feels grossly fabricated, Koshiro is just there, Mimi (Like Jou) is made to learn something she already knew by 02 and then promptly forgotten about, and Takeru and Hikari are characterized as horrible people who don't give a rat's ass about their supposed best friends (Like, I get it, everyone hates the 02 cast, but this isn't about that, it's about the series' established lore).
I don't even mind Meiko because she, by virtue of being a new character, is the only one who doesn't feel grossly out of character, she's just annoying in a proto-01-Mimi kind of way because she's always crying about everything and never does anything of merit.
Tbf Joe's exams in tri have a lot more weight to them because that will determine what college he goes to and therefore his life (partially because that's how it works in Japan and partially because his end goal is doctor). It's not the same as ditching an exam in the first year of high school. Plus it's implied Joe wasn't failing his classes at that point in time.
I believe the whole point of the movie is that upholding certain values as a kid is much easier than upholding them when faced with adult challenges. It's easy enough to voice a promise; it's a lot harder to uphold that promise.
Na 02 had terrible out of character moments for the orignal cast anyway, glossing over that to focus back on the core aspects was a great decision.
well I didn't watch 02 so I can't confirm nor deny your statements on this matter.
I agree with most of your comment wholeheartedly, just conflicted about Jou. Like the others explained
the japanese school system is harsher then others and I get that Jou is focusing on his studies as he is probably pretty fed up with always having to interrupt what he's doing to save the (digi)world and thereby never getting
anything done, I think that has to be extremely frustrating, especially when you are already failing and having a hard time trying to fulfill your dreams (in his case becoming a doctor?). Seeing how the first movie went he might as well have thought that the others would manage without him, at least that was my impression of the situation when he was missing back then. Still the characters weren't really portrayed all that great (if at all) due to Meiko and Meicuumon, I really wish they would have focused on the original cast (Adventure 01) only.
@Ethan Kellerman I absolutely agree with you, even though I don't like the 02 kids even I was starting to wonder why no one gave a damn about them, that seems like the worst plothole ever. Then again, most of the story was a mess. I hope the next movie will be better.
I’ve been watching through the entire series, just finished Tri, and it’s hard to sit through Tri’s writing. We went from Agumon sitting down with BlackWargreymon and trying his best to help him through an existential crisis, to the total mess that is Tri.
It is so boring. Just ugh. And just everything about Tri
@@kadosho02 oof English
@@jonmc6573 Is there something wrong with my grammar?
I made my comment short, because Tri is a waste of time. It is so long, and a snore fest.
@@kadosho02 Because you asked:
Correct grammar: "Everything about Tri is so boring. Ugh."
You figure out the difference.
@@jonmc6573 I was joking. But yeah I get it.
Still Digimon: Tri. I just cannot think of anything + even the animation felt off. Like it was trying too hard to be like Evangelion, but somehow got lost in its concepts.
For those who made it through the series. Difficult to acknowledge something, when it was not worthwhile
You and that angelwomon dynamic is just pure gold
Tbh Digimon Adventure Tri has the same problem Legend of Korra had. They think that making a show more adult equals to making it 'darker' and edgier', without paying attention to character development and character interactions. It's thinking that they have to switch from character driven stories to plot driven stories while having no idea how to create plots that make sense. And also Tri was too in love with having 'plot twists' and 'shocking endings' then with anything else and it showed.
As a fan of both you mentioned. Korra had issues due to the network.....tri just had issues
So what your saying is this might as well be a M. Night Shyamalan animation
@@shadygradyredZ the only issues korra had due to the network was the airtime slots. nothing went wrong with production. the shit show korra is, is all thanks to bryke, and knowing the shit show lok is, I can't blame nick for slowly moving it to shittier and shittier air slots, and in the end taking it off the air and just uploading it to their website. the closest thing that went wrong with production was in the last season, they did the clip episode because of the budget nick gave them for that season. but that was just one episode. that and for whatever reason the animation studio was changed to another studio in s2, but that really only effected the animation, and it was changed back in s3.
as far as the shitty writing goes for lok, that was all bryke.
I feel like the non-acknowledgement of the 02 cast was some kind of payback on the series. There's so many people out there that still despise 02 and I feel that's why they treated the cast of 02 like complete shit through the movies. Which is completely stupid.
Did they ever give a explanation of what happened to them
I've only seen the first two movies, but according to this video there was an explanation in some offhanded comment that didn't get any reaction from the main cast.
It was basically "They went in there first to figure some shit out, but disappeared" and basically got the response of "Oh, well shit"
So weird that they didnt even completely try to retcon 02 but instead went for some halfmeasure bullshit of just ignoring the maincast but then shoving ken in our face even tho it wasnt really him. Not sure if there is anyone outside the staff who can explain this decision reasonably.
Its explained in the final movie
Meiko 98% Dialogue: Mei Mei Mei Mei Mei Mei Mei
2% **rawr** fear me~ 😏🔪
It may be Mei or it may be Mei-mei. Maybe?
A scene that really sticks out to me is, how distraught Kari was when she thought Tai was dead. It ruined her for a good solid hour of run time, maybe more?
But when she first sees him again, she says if you kill meicoomon, I’ll never forgive you... like.. what?? Maybe the Japanese version is different, I can only go off the English dub.
Idk, to me, Kari was the only one responding according to the loss of Tai. Everyone else was "Oh no, we lost Tai, but it's time to move on..." Yes, I know it might be a form of denial, but that's never fully played out.
It was super weird to see Imperialdramon and Ken get such a muted reaction.
Dude I've literally discovered you a week ago, watch all your Digimon nonsense, and now you go and make another one.
God bless you sir.
Oi rude, we just appreciate digimon its not nonsense bruh
Boi read the whole comment.
"Digimon Adventure Tri"? Don't you mean "Meiko Adventure Tri feat. the Digidestined"?
I hated her so much
Exactly
Digimon digital monsters
@@VOID-gz6jk she did become a Digi destined
@@blumouse8539 HELL NO!
A definition for "Mary Sue" that I really like is, that it's not about the character's flawlessness, beauty, skill, talent, etc., but about the other characters' lives revolving around them. If the main villain wants the character dead because he's jealous, cannot comprehend this much goodness, or for no good reason at all, if the stern experienced mercenary character lies awake at night wondering about the character's well-being, if the hot elven prince(ss) falls in love with the character despite being wayyyy out of their league, if the team of superheroes collectively decide to basically assume a supporting role for the character to play the main part in spite of th character not being more qualified, if the character can mess up and all the other characters go "Awww, that's our [name]", then the character is a Mary Sue.
Not a bad definition. Basically “The world revolves around you. For some reason”
The definition I like is "A character that trivializes everything"
Evil Overlord, that has killed every hero that has challenged him in the last 100 years? Mary Sue beats in with little effort
A small group of badasses who only the best of the best have a chance of joining? They try to recruit Mary after knowing her for 15 minutes
The secret technique that takes 50 years to learn at best? Sue figures it out after 50 seconds
Everything and anything that is supposed to be a big deal gets turned into nothing when in direct contact with the Mary Sye
That is a great one
Not just revolving around the Sue, but the universe bends for them to be the most important. It's pretty simple but very insidious, and people who dismiss the concept because they've been told the term is sexist are just avoiding acknowledging the problem out of cowardice.
I feel like it was too similar to the basic fanfic protagonist where they have to have the angsty dark Digivolution while her Digimon is basically a carbon copy of another, in this case, Gatomon. I felt like Morphomon and her partner were more impactful in Kizuna despite me being ticked off at the bs 'you're older now so time to say goodbye to childish things like your Digimon friend forever' plot.
Bro when Patamon said to end him after he was infected was a knife to the heart
i will always love the first 2 TRI parts, because atleast those didnt take themselves too serious and had the right amount of fanservice, but after 3 (which did had a great climax battle and tentomon moments) started to become a huge mess
bocodamondo How would you feel about a Diddy Kong Racing sequel that added characters from My Hero Academia, Little Witch Academia, Kirby, The Amazing World of Gumball, **Persona 3-5,** Family Guy, Sonic, Diary of a Wimpy Kid, Digimon Tamers, The Simpsons, Invader Zim, Pokemon Sun and Moon anime including Serena from X and Y, Crash Bandicoot and RWBY with Haruko from FLCL, Hat Kid, Popuko and Pipmi from Pop Team Epic, Bomberman, Doom Slayer, Beavis and Butthead also being there? Kirby gets pushed as a second Protagonist to go along with Diddy Kong.
Imagine racing against Akko with Izuku, shooting a missile at Gumball, Gumball, Izuku, and Akko smoking pot with their friends, throwing an oil slick at Ren, Ryuji using a bat to knock opponents sideways, Ann using her whip to whip a nearby rival, Yusuke asking Momo if she’d be painted nude, Futaba showing everyone rule 34, Makoto dodging bombs that Bomberman planted on the race track, etc.
oh you are alive
it should've made meicoomon go through a redemption arc and not forcing her to stay evil for the sake of the plot if you want my full review click here
dragonspine123.tumblr.com/post/182720414163/thoughts-on-digimon-adventure-tri
The 2nd one was my favourite the 1st was a reintroduction but the 2nd was even better and also when other characters actually got megas also that moment was great in general
@@DragonspineInfiniteZero it’s not a redemption just trying to uncorrupt her her death would’ve been great if they actually expanded on it if she stays dead or not it will be beautiful though that’s if we get a tri sequel
We could have had Davis, but instead we get Girl Joe. I refuse to call her by name.
But really, she is just Joe in a skirt.
I never understood the whole "Digimon is a Pokemon knock off" thing. They're two separate genres of Gaming. A life simulator, and an RPG. It's like say Animal Crossing is a rip off of Fire Emblem. They may have somethings in common but they're just not the same game.
Also #Agumon4Smash
Agree
There's a lot of good comparison out there but you came up with retarded comparison.
Imagine if smash fans unironically says "oh my god not another pokemon"
Fam it's like saying Gundam is a rip off of Transformers, kids in my school back in the day thought Gundam was just a transformers Wannabe the same way as some thought Digimon ripped off Pokemon
Screw that #MetalGreymon4Smash
I legit shipped Joe x Mimi and was like “what” when Izzy ha a crush on Mimi when they’re older in Tri
MEE TOOOOO I VERY MUCH AGREE
Yeah I just finished rewatching Digimon Adventure for the first time in forever, and then jumped straight into the first two Tri movies. It was weird, if not surreal, seeing Izzy crushing on Mimi when I was certain she and Joe had SOMETHING going on in the original.
@@benburke3015Ikr they're the tall kids!
Why do you feel this way Izzy..?
I know I was like this is Joe Matt Tai territory where did Izzy come from
well ...joe was proven to have a girlfriend In tri.... @-@
Meiko does have one Mary Sue quality though: all the DigiDestined like her for no reason. She doesn't save anyone, she doesn't do much but stand there and act emotional. She literally shows up looking for Meicoomon and immediately she is accepted just because she shows up, even when it's pretty damn obvious Meicoomon was the one with the virus.
That has nothing to do with being a Mary Sue. That's just the original 8 being nice and welcoming people.
The original 8 was a group of nice people; they are not a clique, just a group of friends. When they see people in trouble, they help them. They would be huge jerks if they acted like "Oh sorry, you had to prove yourself first before we trust and help you".
Besides, the group had accepted and trusted Hikari and 02 kids before with no issues, even when they just met. There was no reason why they should act differently.
Sol you're trying awful hard to defend a cardboard cutout character.
@@Mr.Mosquito89
Way to miss the point.
Nope.
I read their statements all down the various comments of this video, and their attempts to make it seem like Meiko isn't, in fact, the dull-as-dishwater plot driving device for Tri is admirable. Even if it does seem in vain.
The problem of Digimon Tri was that it was too lazy. It was fun to see where the characters I grew up would be, but the writers and animators were just so lazy. Like, I suspect one reason why we didn't see the 02 kids in the last movie was because they were too lazy to actually make new designs for them.
I think the main problem with Tri is that it tries to be like the critically acclaimed Tamers while at the same time it wants to be a follow up to original series....
That's not exactly a bad thing, the issue lies in the execution.
@@generalwashingtoad6516 Agreed
I have no problem with the idea
just terribly made
This series was a big disappointment. They took away the essence of the show and made it another one of these teenage dramas on trend in anime.
The biggest issue IMO is the treatment of Seraphimon. Patamon’s evolutions in the past have been more powerful than the others at the same level, even taking out two main villains. Instead of getting a big story arc leading to the evolution, it’s thrown in like a side-character add-on.
Seraphimon is God-Level in the other series but gets treated like whatever in this one. Also, why did Magna Angemon have a tough time with Devimon? Seriously? Magna took out Piedmon with ease but had trouble with a champion? This series made no sense whatsoever and spat on the original.
Honestly the original disregarded power levels all the time when the plot asked for it. I dont think it spat on it, more so took the spirit of it, but made it far more obviously dumb.
Seraphimon is one of the biggest jobbers. From Hurricane Touchdown to Frontier all he does is job
The movie felt so slow and drawn out, because barely anything happened in each episodr
Bling-Bling Boy Movies don’t have episodes
Star Wars Episodes 1 through 8 would like to have a word with you
On a less joking note, the movies were broken up into episodes on Crunchyroll
Tri reminds me why respecting the format you are working on is important. When you work on an episodic series, you go through all the parts of a story in less time, so a film divided in episodes will have little going on in one episode and twists and pay offs only hapening later and that makes for a jumbled mess.
Another one that has this problem is Godzilla: Monster Planet, which was planned as an series and was compressed into a movie. The latest volumes of RWBY suffer from the same problem as they are written as films and divided into a series.
Cuz they wore reactive rather than in the original anime they were more proactive they didnt much
When the first OVA was released I actually thought it had a good start, I was very impressed with Mimi since I felt she actually grew up. I even liked Meiko because I kind of felt she was a decent character, but the more I got to see her in the following OVAs I started losing the respect I used to have for her. What could've been a great project left me with a bunch of unanswered questions and ended up not having any sense at all
My biggest gripe is with Tri is the absence of the 02 kids.
Being a Mary Sue has absolutely nothing to do with being a self-insert. They just tend to correlate because people have too high of a self image and want to express that ego in their creations.
Meiko is an "anti Sue" (I'm sure there's an actual word for it). She takes the base concept of a Mary Sue - look at how perfect I am at everything, and inverts it, turning it into - please validate everything I do because I have literally no self worth.
Actually no, mary sues are often like that because their creators are very self conscious and want a character that they think is nothing like them to feel better about themselves. Basically that's how they want to be, but not necessarily think they are like that. Growing up as a girl, I know that girls who even might appear like they have a high self image are actually struggling heavily with it.
They're somewhat related in that a lot of self-inserts tend to be Mary Sues for the exact reason you point out. But it's definitely possible for one to be without the other. Plenty of Mary Sues aren't Self-Inserts and plenty of Self-Inserts aren't Mary Sues.
Instead, sometimes, Self-Inserts just take over a plot that wasn't originally made for them, while at the same time being so anti-Mary Sue to the point that it gets very annoying how incompetent they are. My prime example is Jaun Arc from RWBY. He was introduced as being a side character for the side team. He later ends up having more presence than the supposed actual protagonist Ruby, overshadows her character, but at the same time remains so incompetent that he trips over himself despite having well over a year of intense training and field experience. And despite denying it, he totally is a self-insert for his voice actor.
ShadeSlayer1911 what does a voice actor have to do with self inserts? Is he a writer as well?
@@ChromaticEagle yes he is. Or at least he's one of the head honchos in charge of the writers.
Digimon tri? more like Digimon Tri-es hard to pander on nostalgia AYEEE
Get out
more like digimon tri again
Digimon they didn't even Tri
agreed, Tri suckass
ew fake fans suck
Everything you said about the missing 02 kids was spot on. I was waiting the entire series for them to at least cameo and nothing. Truly disappointing.
This is what I thought of tri
Movie 1: it started great getting the team back together And Tai fighting his inner self and Fan-service battle between Omnimon and Alphamon
Movie 2: I loved the character writing of Joe and Mimi and Introducing their mega forms
Too much focused on Meicko (God I hate her) the team never bothered questioning Imperialdramon and Imposter Ken
Movie 3: This is where it started to drop. A confusing story didn’t understand anything about why digimon world had to be restarted the only positive thing is HerculesKaburrimon
Movie 4: Again confusing
No one questioned about Ken’s D3. Another royal knight fan service Alphamon vs Jesmon (Jesmon looks awesome) fighting for reasons unknown. Oh look it’s Machinedramon and MetalSeadramon of course why not? The dark masters can just come back. I know dark Gennia is evil but seriously did we need to see him licking Sora talk about sexual harassment. Only good thing we see Phoenixmon Seraphmon and HKabuterrimon kicking ass
Movie 5: you have an infected cat vs Jesmon vs Digimon team oh and vs Alphamon why not? Jesmon wants to kidnap or destroy the cat Omnimon wants to protect the cat and Alphamon wants to.... I don’t know act like a badass and be there for no reason
Tai dies (Not really do u actually thing the audience is that stupid) Kari cries and somehow Gatsomon digivolves to Ophanimon Fall down mode and Fuses with The infected cat and Become ordinamon
Movie 6: Forget explaining the plot holes
Here have all the digimons become mega and then fuse and become Omnimon Merciful Mode and save the day. Oh and season 2 kids you know those guys who we never mentioned are still alive but who cares they not important they only had an entire season saved the world a couple of times nah the the girl with glasses who we never knew is more of a friend
Overall Digimon tri
SUCKS
w8 movie 3 is when you think it decided to drop? Movie 3 was my personal favorite especially because of the scene with Patamon and Takeru and the scene when HKabuterimon was carrying everyone back into the reset.
They thought restarting the Digital World would solve the Virus infecting everyone because everything would return to its original state. I thought this was really easy to understand. They didnt know Meicoomon was the source of the infection.
Suck...when next time follow the story because all the question asked is answered in each fucking movie
Why the digiworld have to be restarted, because all the digimon are contamined? And Himekawa plan for retrieve her digimon
Alphamon is clearly Yggdrasil dog is that story so he will clearly fight Jesmon who are the one who want to kill Meicon, simple as that
I didn't know which sequence to start watching, but the first one happen to be the one where Gennai lick Sora's face for no reason. Tf was that shit? Fanservice? Characters looks bad. K-On (just an example) have same face problems with the characters, but at least they look good. Tri design looks like an OC from DeviantArt that cosplay as Digimon Adventure characters. Sorry, I hate it too much lol.
@@Kyumaro But why would Alphamon want to be Yggdrasil's dag? It wanted him dead that one movie. Should have been one of the other Royal Knights.
And the fact Kizuna(that recent Digimon movie I mean) didn't bother touching on the loose ends Tri left didn't help either.
okay I know they "addressed" it but I'm still looking for Davis...
While I don't consider Meiko a mary sue, I DO consider her to be a weird dollar store bootleg of Hikari due to the fact her digimon is almost exactly the same as Tailmon. This makes the implied romance with Tai uncomfortable for me because it's basically shipping him with a older xerox copy of his sister.
Well, the incest subtest has been there ever since Mamoru Hosoda debuted with the Digimon Adventure pilot movie....
@@bluebirdsigma wasn't that debunked?
Mamoru is gonna get his Taichi X Kari fanfic no matter what
@@bluebirdsigma what?
@@bluebirdsigma What the fuck?
Tri had so many issues of a sequel and plenty of them were discussed here. But for me the biggest thing was...the characters felt stupid. This is happening a bit after the 02 season sure. But for some reason for the vast majority of the films...no one cares about not being able to find or contact the 02 cast. I didn't even like the 02 season compared to the original show, but I was constantly thrown off by how characters were behaving. Kari and TK were literally part of both teams and they didn't give a damn for most of the films.
Then you just have smaller complaints. The digimon barely talked once they hit champion level or higher. Forget calling out attacks as they launched them, they were barely even speaking. I never got the impression of the digimon going feral as they evolved. Minus the incident with SkullGreymon. Maybe they wanted to save on paying voice actors.
I honestly didn't mind Meiko. I feel the anger towards her is the writers having the nerve to add a new digi-destined to the main cast at this point. You know like they had the nerve to make Kari a digidestined part way through the original series...Those monsters! Yeah a lot of the story revolves around her. Someone new interrupting the status quo is going to probably have a good amount of plot revolving around her. Meicoomon was at the core of all this, so of course Meiko being the partner in this case is going to get screentime.
It wasn't great. They introduced way too many new concepts, were clumsy in handling them, and didn't have the characters acting believably. The fight with "Ken" and Imperialdramon being one of the worst angles. This is your friend. Why the heck aren't Kari and TK freaking out? Why isn't fighting Imperialdramon to the death not a major issue? They survived major events in the 02 season because of that specific digimon. But they don't seem to be wondering what is going on or....you know wondering where the heck Davis is!
I'm glad you can walk away with this with optimism though. For me..it was a huge waste. I'd have been happier rewatching the old series with Tri simply not existing. It existing brings down the original series a bit. Not a ton, but a bit. And I have no optimism for whatever sequel they've got coming next. Let Digimon Adventure rest Toei, you greedy corporate monsters. What they did with Tri shows that they have no idea what they are doing with this franchise.
Maybe the writers really wanted to have everyone cheer as they killed of the 02 season by killing the bad guy of said season, without thinking that the 02 only works because of Ken, if you think about it. Killing him just makes it obvious that on one stopped to really think about what exactly digimon season 02 was really about or why it works in context.
I was so disappointed with Tri it was so boring.
I never finished watching it.
I tried to watch the first movie. Yeah :/ kind of sad though i do hope that the remake series success there might come a new tri. It has a good concept just executed poorly
I dropped it 4 years ago at movie 2 episode 1 and recently decided to watch it before the reboot and Kizuna to see how much of tri they will recycle or fix. I wish I never did. I rather watch Fusions again
I finally finished the 6th movie today and yeah, it really let me down. I was so excited to go down a nostalgia trip but all I got was a convoluted mess.
Not gonna lie.... I had been genuinely hoping that Meicoomon was possibly a test for the X-antibody that homeostasis made to try and bring about peace after discovering Yggdrasil's plan to effectively kill most of the digimon, and the antibody was making her a little crazy.
But NOPE!!!!! I even did a minor rewrite of how I felt the ending would've been better:
When Meiko enters the password, allow it to bring back Gatomon and Meicoomon. Meicoomon would be free from the piece of Apocalymon inside her, however, Ordinemon is now her own sentience.
To battle Ordinemon, gatomon digivolves to Ophanimon (remember that Magnadramon only happened when gatomon didn't have her tail ring).
Meicoomon wanta to fight back and redeem herself, finally digevolving into her true mega form, Rasielmon, fulfilling the prophesy from part 2.
When Omnimon arrives, the power isn't enough. At that moment, a blast hits Ordinemon, and its here that we find out the 02 kids made it back in time and are there to help.
The light of the 13 Digivices power up Omnimon amd this takes out Ordinemon.
But this is just how I would've done it.
The main problem of Tri is that it doesn't have a focus. It tries to be everything (adventure, further character development, conflict between characters, drama, romance, fanservice, you name it) and it doesn't excells at any of those. Lack of explanation are also affecting the whole series like why would Ordinemon still keep its Jogress form after Tailmon has been pulled out from inside its body?? How did the 02 kids ended up losing and imprisoned and why did everyone care more for girl joe instead of them? Why would Alphamon appears from time to time to fight Omegamon and Jesmon? Or as per why Yamato suddenly has interest in space? Not enough time or budget for those explanation i guess (but a scene where Yamato became chicken because he's weak at scary stories is very important). Also the "Mandatory Super Strong Ex-Machina Angel Form" Omegamon is so awful at every aspect, it makes me appreciate Imperialdramon Paladin Mode more. I would forgive the lack of action and below mediocre animation if they give me good story (not amazing, just make a good continuation from the original story) but in the end all i got was disappointment and a bad aftertaste. I'd watch Appli Monster compared to Tri any day.
@Rein Tiberius Omegamon vs Alphamon fight in the first episode are a huge fanservice moment. Everyone wanted that fight to happen and i have to admit, the fight itself was pretty good. But there aren't any reasons why both digimon should fight with each other and Tri never actually explains why the fight happened in the first place. Alphamon in Tri is just a character with no personality or traits that the writer put just because they knew fans would be heads over heels seeing Alphamon outside digimon's game universe, but never gives a damn about developing the character itself. So basically, he's a fanservice character.
Ordinemon stayed Jogress form because it’s not an evolution; it’s an unnatural mutation. (I’m more pissed off at their apparent decision to pander to the furry fetishists. Even just one a**-shot of Ordinemon is _way_ too many.) Yamato’s wanting to become an astronaut because it’s set between 02’s epilogue. They really screwed themselves there. I’m going to throw the writers a bone and say that Alphamon’s involvement and the 02 kids’ will be explained in the sequel to Tri, which is confirmed to focus more on the 02 kids. As for everything else, I got nothing. It really feels like the writers hate 02 to the point of mean spiritedness to the G2 cast.
@@Sorakeyblademaster37 I think this is what they tried to do in Tri, pander towards hardcore OG purist by shitting on 02, make them completely useless in Tri so the main OG cast looks superior. That fired back(unsurprisingly of course), so they tried to pander toward both fanbase by pretending to make 02 cast important in the "sequel", even tho from the trailer its clear enough that the movie is about Taichi and Agumon. In short, fuck Toei, i'm done with Digimon series. Good thing the Digimon games are still fine for most part.
@@nekovanguard9553 and we still don't know what happened to Alphamon, what was his actual goal, I hope Last evolution won't fill end with more plot hole.
@@nekovanguard9553 dude, Gundam is from Sunrise studio, not Toei
I'll be the first to say, I like Meiko, but you do raise many valid issues regarding her and tri. as a whole. The concept behind Meiko sounds interesting on paper: A girl unused to the battles is thrust into it and has to quickly adapt, only for her partner to become a threat and needs to gain the resolve to admit the partner needs to be put down. The concept is fine.....
But the execution fell flat. Like a lot of things in tri. to be honest. tri. is somehow both slow and rushed at the same time. But since I'm focusing only on Meiko, back on track. Meiko was promoted in the trailers for the very first movie, but when you watch it, she gets about 10 minutes of screen time. The trailers gave her this mysterious vibe, showing her standing under the bridge with her glasses shining. We don't get a scene like that.
The first movie is ultimately where the issues start. There is so much negative space that could be removed and be used to fit both plot and character. Introduce Meiko from the beginning but have her as the shy girl at school, and have Mimi try to be her first friend, dragging her around to get to know her. Then, have Meicoomon running around in the background right before the attack by the Kuwagamon, and show a reaction shot from Meiko. This would build a hint of suspicion: Why did we see her? Is she involved? Did the strange cat summon Kuwagamon? Then, instead of having them run into her trying to look for the distortions, have Mimi try to invite her and get turned down, only to show up looking for Meicoomon. That not only shows her more but illustrates she is at the center of the plot. And instead of having the others openly welcome her, have them question her about whats going on.
The second movie needs the opposite though by removing her scenes. Remove the Hot Springs section and replace it by following up where they first left off. Give Meiko's backstory and her finding Meicoomon here, and lead Izzy to try and contact Gennai. Then, when Ogremon shows up, have Mimi send Meiko away to get the others. When Ogremon shows up at night, have Izzy secretely watching while trying to find out more after thinking they're being left in the dark, and realize that where Ogremon showed up is close to where Meiko lives. This adds an element of distrust since it comes across as Meiko and Meicoomon being the cause of the infected digimon. When the Mysterious Man shows up, leave him looking like Gennai and have it be Alphamon instead of Imperialdramon. This way not only do they become aware its the same enemy, but also realize that something darker in going on, and rather than just randomly trust Maki and Daigo, they are forced into trusting them without Gennai.
Even the 02 kids problem could be addressed with a single line. Have Maki claim they were working together. This makes it so the group considers trusting Maki seeing as how the 02 kids trusted her, but also makes it easier for the idea that Maki's half-assed line to Matt worked to be believable, since she'd already fed them other lies.
tri. wanted to have a plot, but got sidetracked by wanting to include teen drama and relationship building, at the cost of the plot. While I like Meiko on her own, I will admit, she could have been written better, and seeing as how she is directly related to the plot, the plot too could have been written better.
why weren't you the writer for these movies?? okay but seriously though XD i really do like Meiko and Meicoomon and what you said was really true, tri. was really just a mixed bag of wasted potential and it's kind of sad, i would've loved to see Meiko be given more screentime and characterization beyond just hanging out with Mimi (don't get me wrong, their relationship made me smile because of how sweet it was and how they inspired each other) and standing around feeling really guilty and depressed because of what happened to Meicoomon (a reasonable reaction but...like you said, tri was both rushed and slow - they rushed the reveal of Meicoomon's influence on other digimon and dragged out the entire arc about whether or not they'd try to find a way to bring her back or just straight up kill her)
all of your suggestions really sound like a better film series in comparison to the actual tri. series and would've made me like Meiko a bit more too (and make me even more upset seeing Meicoomon lose control before saying goodbye and then dying - speaking of which; unpopular opinion but i really didn't think it was completely necessary to kill her off and could've been brought back just like Kokomon from the first movie but ehhh)
tl;dr: i completely agree with you, like your suggestions and wish you wrote the movies instead and same i like Meiko too even though her character isn't written well
I honestly think the 3rd film or Confession which ever you want to call it, was pretty damn emotional to be honest. Just seeing the partner digimon get infected one by one and then fighting one another and to the point were they ended up resetting the digital world with there partners memories erased, i have to say it was gut wrenching to watch.
And after that film (Loss) i was already feeling bad between Sora and Biyomon, because all Sora wanted was to reconnect with Biyomon.
I am a little bummed out that 02 characters didnt do much in the films, i was really hoping to see there new updated character models. After doing some thinking about how the 02 characters got taken down, i might be the fact there digimon partners were all infected and they were all completely banged up, thats why Imperialdralmon showed up in the 2nd film. Its also possible that The good Gennei might've been the one that put all 4 of 02 characters into Cryostasis and then somehow he got into the Cryo pod as well. Which why they show 5 silhouettes characters in the cyro pods when Tai sees them all. It was kind of weird that they never really did added anything about them disappearing especially for Kari and T.K who were apart there team. Another thing i find weird about T.K and Kari is that they both carry their 02 D3 devices so why couldn't they use either one of them to transport to the digital world. Another thing too is where T.K and Kari Digi eggs for Patamon and Gatomon or maybe they just didn't have those other devices where the digi egg are stored in.
Digimon tri was such a huge waste of resources
It was an over-budgeted Fanfiction!!
Friken Takeru and Hikari barely got together.
My life is a waste.
I think it wasn't
@@kimbershka9363 you're wrong
Nah
Really enjoyed this video I and all your digimon retrospective videos, I'm cautiously optimistic about the 2019 series but even if doesn't rekindle my love for the series at least it will be better than Tri, hopefully...
They already fixed Matts hair so its got one thing above Tri
They are making a series? Okay. *Runs*
JohneAwesome You and me both Johne though older Tai and older Matt look pretty awesome as adults so far. Fingers crossed.
Well, Kakudo (the original director of the first digimon) left the 2019 proyect hating it, because as he says: he couldn't handle how bad the proyect was. :/
Blue Led Dear God 0_0 Also I'm still anoied at all this Adventure fanservise recently as I'm a much bigger fan of 02 and the true best season Tamers. Where is my Tamers ten years later movie series never mind they'd probably fuck that up harder that they did with tri's mess of a plot.
Digimon Tri? more like Digimon Not Even Tri-ying
Lool!
Digimon Tri? More like Digimon Tri Not Being Inhuman Pieces of Trash, Toei!!
Boo 👎
Got em, boi. 😎😎👍
Damn son, I felt that burn a mile away
Step One: Sell cute Meicoomon plushies! Step Two: Write her into the movie?
I agree with you. Digimon Tri feels like a it tries hard to dig up that nostalgia and it fails in many points of the 6 films. I didn't really mind Meiko-character because as you said the character was a victim of bad writing. The overall randomness and instability in the films also bothered me. What I mean is this: They showed the Dark Masters in the flashback scenes with the original DigiDestined's. That was very cool and I was excited with all this. Then Meichoomon just randomly resurrects Machinedramon with no rhyme or reason. Same thing happened with Devimon in the last film where he just randomly appears. It was cool to see them of course but it left me feeling like they just randomly dug up characters to keep people interested in the confusing and random plot and boring and shallow depictions of previously very interesting main characters. I felt like if they're gonna do that, they need to put a lot more of those characters into the films and the first two films hardly used that variety of Digimon from the original series to the full potential.
In the end I felt like I took a trip with nostalgia and half way through the nostalgia left me. There were still lots of cool moments, the new evolutions were great, the final angel monster was really cool and I liked the infecting virus idea a lot. Still for 6 movies worth of run time, much of it was wasted in mediocre content and a plot that felt like it was started by one crew and ended with completely different crew in the end.
The funny thing about the original digi-destined's identities is that it was already revealed in the "Novel Digimon Adventure 3" published in 2001, but since nobody was up to translate it, here in occident we just did never hear about it and just started making... theories... *shivers*
YO HOLD UP, are there translations now?
I don't think there is a full translation, but someone made a summary of the most important things that where revealed in that novel (since all three of the novels are just a more detailed version of the anime, it's not a sequel or anything like that).
here you go :) privatter.net/p/3388199
Haha maybe Billiam should've been checking Wikimon instead of the Digimon Wiki (as the information is there).
Wikimon and digimon wiki should both be used. Since, when one is missing something the other usually has it.
Gatomon should've been hopelessly infected, Meiko should not have existed would've made for a deeper movie.
This, this would've made me care soooooo much more. When Patamon got infected & straight up said so to TK I thought that's where we were going. I cried but was excited to see that plotline, only for it to go back to the back & forth with Mei&Mei.
Just imagine if instead of Meicoomon saying goodbye, you see Gatomon say something like "I'll be fine, I'll have Wizardmon with me." What a tragically poetic end that would have been.
@@AkuTenshiiZero All this potential wasted really.
I think they wanted to use Tailmon but bitched out. Think about it. Tailmon & Mocoomon are both Adult level cat based Digimon.
Or Patamon. Like T.K. lost him once in the original, losing him again, for good, would hit fans so hard.
My biggest issue with tri was Meiko... just Meiko, she's such an OC insert it hurts, she never makes up her own mind unless someone else makes it for her, nobody is allowed to get angry with her, everyone loves her off the bat despite everything that's happening, and her three personality traits are nervous, quiet and clumsy... I personally couldn't give a flying fook who she's shipped with, I just can't watch scenes with her in it without wanting to rip out my hair in frustration that the creators put such an annoying character as the center of the plot while completely leaving out the 02 kids.
I'm not saying the series should have been completely different, but instead of the shy awkward glasses girl archetype that has been done to death, instead they should have made her headstrong, opinionated and in denial that her digimon could be doing such things, until it happens right in front of her and she can no longer deny it.
Instead of having her just go along and become immediate friends with them, it would have been much more interesting if after they save her the first time, she avoids them as much as possible, not to protect herself, but to protect their digimon from her own, that would at least add a layer or two to her character.
Instead of Mimi dragging her around like a living doll, have Mimi break down her walls of defense, attack her with friendship until she starts to open up, then let them all become friends during the school festival, that way right as everyone is finally getting along and all seems well, Meicoomon kills leomon.
Instead of having her entire develoupment revolve around whether she could kill kill her digimon or not, Meiko has to come to the realisation that she's known Meicoomon has been a danger for years, either from a scar she might have or through flashbacks of other digimon turning evil after long time exposure to Meicoomon, maybe even show that the reason she's so closed off is because she had digidestined friends who all lost their digimon because of her.
It's not like it would take much to explain such a thing, either she could sit down and tell Mimi for a heart to heart or tell Izzy about it to gather information.
Hell it could even open up a chance to see the rare instance where TK goes for nicest guy ever to terrifying, have him yell at her for not doing something sooner as his own digimon is infected and it's her fault. Have Mimi and some others try to defend her, but have others either vocally or silently be on TK's side, at least one or two on both. This way there could be turmoil in the group.
Digimon was a big part of my childhood, and while I was ecstatic when Tri was announced, it was disheartening to find that the whole thing was ruined by a poorly written character.
Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.
Rewatching this video. Regarding Matt's choice of career - everyone remembers Matt and his harmonica. And my memory's not clear enough to be certain, but I really associate this with the image of looking up at the night sky while playing. I could see that as an angle to build up a strong appreciation for the stars. So if they were to try to write it better, I'd have taken that. Maybe in '02 when we see his band, show off some celestial imagery in the songs. And maybe show a growing wanderlust in him - all that time traversing the Digital World really stuck with him. And then he could spend some time traveling with his band - and found it not enough for his wanderlust. Where to go from there? Back to college, for a career as an astronaut.
I LOVE your idea!
@@IchibanOjousama thanks.
I am going to chalk th Tri series up to a side-story. I don't even want to believe this "series" is canon.
Sigure Rangiku me neither. If it was canon, the plot holes become even worse.
Plus we have the actull ending of that digimon story at the end of 02with them all as adults
Xder Rodecki even that doesn’t make sense either. But it makes more sense than THIS mess called Tri. I consider this to be a possible “what could happen” in the future but can be considered non-canon, because it’s whack and doesn’t make sense.
The “under-reactions” you’re talking about is a symptom of the more “realistic style of anime that has dominated the 2010s. 90s anime had big exaggerated reactions that fully utilized the possibilities of animation, but a lot of modern anime subdue facial expressions so much they might as well just be live action, especially if it’s a slice-of-life story. W
i agree with you
Which is ironic since, characterization-wise, modern anime characters behave far more over the top than those in the 90s. Ever since the early 2000s, there's been a shift in how characters speak and act. They gradually became more and more melodramatic, with their over the top reactions being expressed through constant screaming rather than through visual communication (that or it's the opposite extreme where they're just perpetually reserved and/or shy). They've become anime stereotypes. It's becoming rarer to find anime characters that actually talk and behave like human beings nowadays.
+MasterofYourDomain I'm sorry but that makes no sense at all. First off characters in Anime period don't act anything like humans, they never have outside of some extremely rare examples.
Secondly what are you even talking about, the way they talk and act starting from some random time in history? What show are you even talking about, or is Anime just one studio with one creator and they just decided to start making the characters in their stories melodramatic one day.
Did you just happen to watch a show that was really melodramatic, and go "That's it, everything written is melodramatic, this represents every Anime from this period of time". Because I can't think of any other reason why you would make such a bizarre explanation.
A lot of anime predating the aughts had characters behave and speak in a relatively more grounded manner, as well as having their actors/actresses' deliveries be more realistic unless a scene or a whole show was intentionally comical and over the top. However, as anime aimed at the shonen/shojo demographic became more and more prevalent and popular, a lot of the way characters act gradually became more and more vibrant and exaggerated, with a lot of overly passionate (or overly reserved if they're the opposite extreme), wishy-washy dialogue and having their VAs directed to express said passionate behavior frequently (worth noting I'm referring to original VAs here, since dubs are all over the map when it comes to this).
It's a kind of change that helped to fit the exciting nature of certain series, and has become the norm in most anime these days. It's not necessarily always a bad change (barring the series that reduces their characters to one-dimensional stock anime tropes), I'm just noting it as something that happened, and pointing out how funny it is that the cartoon-y reaction faces the top commenter is referring to got more and more understated over time in spite of character behavior becoming less subtle over the years. I've grown up with a lot of anime, so it's easier to see this change occur over the course of 20 years.
I was asking more of a rhetorical question, I was highlighting how nonsensical your comment was. This is less nonsensical(and I can at least get what you're saying), but still look at this. You claim that Anime aimed at the Shonen audience became more prevalent and popular, where did you even come up with that because it's flat out wrong, that's been the prevalent and popular demographic since the 60s.
You are not noting anything that actually happened, you've just spewed a lot vague criticism. All I can pick out is that characters were more grounded and they were realistic. And then and then they became vibrant and exaggerated, and some other stuff. But its not, the average Anime character now, is no less cartoony that something from 20 years ago, and a character in a more serious show is no less realistic and grounded than one in the same type of show 20 years ago.
From your statement you've been watching it for the around as long as I have. I notice that those cartoon-y reactions; face faults, sweat beads, falling over in a single frame etc were more a product of the 90s AND 00s. Which puts those two time periods closer together.
Mixed feels about this series.But my fav part of this series was when hercules kabuterimon just digivolved and was trying to get everyone out of the portal but he fails and while everyone is just tearing him apart its just
"Urgh...im sorry...guys"
(Or something like that)
Then everyone gets erazed.It gave me hope then foced me to watch my hope get smashed away. Its my fav scene in this whole movie series.
Series would make more sense if it just Retcon 02.
What, an AU like the V-Tamer series? Because that's more confusing to the original fans of both 01 and 02.
Mary Sue ain't just a Buzzword. It is a character trope for characters (not just female, male equivalent is Gary stu). It is if the character is flawless, has no challenge, people instantly like them, believe them, constantly awarding them and etc. A flawless character. Now I can't argue with you about the Digimon tri movies as I haven't seen it.
It's a buzzword in a sense that a lot people don't understand what the term really means and apply that to any female character (or Gary Stu to male character) they don't like.
+Sol Not even true by a long shot.
+Supa 4ys Just because you say it's not true doesn't disprove anything I've said. You can even see in the comments here that many people twisted the definition of "Mary Sue" to their likings.
Mary Sue is a character, relatively new to an existing story, that develops popularity and powers rapidly without going through any apparent growth or conflict, and lacking fleshed out weaknesses - and continues to exist as such as the story progresses.
I can tell you Tri has other problems besides the ones listed here, more enrooted within the franchise than the anime itself.
The power scaling.
Do you remember that one scene in adventure where Etemon manhandled three adult digimon in spite of being only a level above them? Well, here we have Rookie-level digimon able to use their puny attacks to stop Mega-level digimon attacks and not the combined force of them either, just one vs one. There's other details such as Alphamon having the capacity of wrecking Omegamon to the kingdoms to come, but they're nowhere near the level of absurdity of a Puppy Howl blocking a Mugen Cannon. Speaking of Alphamon, however...
Character Derrailment.
-According to the Digimon Reference Book: Alphamon is the equivalent of a deterrent force, someone who is not present unless the situation is extremely dire. The only reason he appears to wrestle with Omegamon is because it sells.
-It's sad when the only character trait you're given is taken away with no explaination, and so... Hackmon. Again, in accordance with the Digimon Reference Book: Hackmon's dream is to become a Royal Knight and serve under Yggdrassil like Gankoomon, his mentor, does. So why in the seven circles of hell is he working AGAINST Yggdrassil and the Royal Knights? That at least needs an explaination, but we got nothing.
Yggdrasil went crazy and was "deactivated". Homeostasis was created to replace Yggdrasil and is now technically the "God" of the digital world which is why Hackmon serves Homeostasis. And all the Royal Knights should be serving Homeostasis at this point. Then Yggdrasil was revived and is still crazy. And yes everything regarding both of them as shown in Tri is shit. This was THE first time that the characters of Homeostasis and Yggdrasil both existed at the same time. It should have been epic as hell and instead it's boring and barely explained.
We can only put so much weight on the Reference Book, really; it's very rare that any given series necessarily holds to what was written there, after all. Beelzebumon is one of the Demon Lords but is only an antagonist for half of one of his appearances, and that's before we get to the number of Royal Knights who ended up being allies/partner Digimon, or even independent antagonists like in Frontier. Besides, there are a number of entries in the Reference Book that refer to the personality of "this Digimon" as an individual, even when later series recycle the same one as background filler; hell, there was a random Dukemon as a hapless citizen in the background of a Frontier episode, not long before two ROYAL KNIGHTS became major antagonists. I've simply come to the conclusion that what's in the Reference Book is only absolute to _one_ canon (most likely the manga), much as Tamers and Frontier depart from the concept of Yggdrasil completely, or Tamers expressly stating Digimon lack genders while every other canon ignored that.
Alphamon isnt stronger than Omegamon, his power might only after result by the attack of Digitalize of soul, but what is the result? we didnt know.
@@Hakaishi00 I've not seen try but it looks like Alphamon is in Alphamon Ouryuken form which is 2 mega digimon combined like Omnimon, so yeah their power levels should be similar
Or how MagnaAngemon got knocked down by Devimon lmao
"And they wouldn't be able to make a bold decision like [killing off the original partners] because it's canon they're still alive decades from now!"
Ah, yes, because Tri didn't retcon aaaanything from 02. Mm. Nope. Nothing.
That's why I'm glad I got into after 02 when Tamers started. I didn't watch Frontier it was boring and I use to think that Frontier was before Tamers. So, I wasn't invested in Tri and was on the fence about watching or not, and I decided to not watch, after learning what happened in 02, and that no retcon of 02 was coming, so why watch? I learned what happened in 02 thanks to Billiam's retrospective of Digimon, because I didn't know what happened because I never completely watched the 1st, 02, or Frontier series. I liked the rest of the series and yes DAT's and Fusion. I just didn't get see all the movies or the rest of Fusion, no dub.
I wonder did people go into watching Tri, and hoping for a retcon, only to get disappointed. Or did Tri trick people into the premise of a retcon happening with marketing?
What did it retcon tho?
I honestly can't think of anything. And it was stated multiple times by the creators that the 02 ending is still canon and Tri just happens between 02 and the ending.
@@RollingDodge People are still salty about their ships that didn't come true (and were never supposed to be a thing, cause the horrible American dub created them out of thin air, even though the original never had them). Because of that some people hoped for a retcon.
@@stormnightmare4378 , oh Idk, but lucky 4 me I started on the 3rd series, which was awesome. I know that they reboot the first idk if I would be interested. Plus I'm really slow to finising and catching up on series, XD. I feel so far behind. I'm trying to watch things one day or ep at a time but I forget. BTW I loved Digimon Cross Wars or Fusion, I wished it was more popular. It's an underrated series, imo.
I just finished watching Digimon Tri recently. I had seen the first 2 movies when they came out, but I thought they were SO BAD and I love Digimon adventure and 2.0 so much that I was scared to continue with TRI and ruin that great oportunity of watching my favorite characters again. But I gathered the courage amd watched the whole thing.
I'm not gonna lie, Butterfly is so much FEELS that it kind of eases the pain. I also bought into Taichi's conflict at the start of the movie, and I like some of the filler episodes because I considered the kids would have missed their partners so much that they sure would have want to spend some time together but then it's offensive to put filler episodes when the movies leave so many parts of the plot without resolution.
The thing I hate the most from ep. 1 onwads, and the thing that in my eyes completely takes all credit of this series is the gross ignoring of the Digi02 kids.WHY did the creators of this sequel thought it was ok?
However, I read that the people producing this sequel wasn't part of the team producing Dig. Adventures and 02 and then that explains why it portraits so horribly the Digimon story. It's just a fanfic with budget (well, some budget at least).
Also, I hated the fanservice with Hikari and Takeru at the end. They're not cannon, don't give me false hopes 😢
Which fanservice with Takari, in what part of tri?
I mean you said in the end, but I dont see it. Maybe I missed
It would make sense that they didn’t have the rights to the 02 cast and that’s why they didn’t give them any attention at all but if that’s the case why even make digimon in the first place, let alone mention their “defeat” at the start? Might as well just not have included or mentioned them at all.
Also what about Kari and Takeru I hear?? (I didn’t watch the movies and tbh I don’t really want to)
A Mary Sue character is often defined as a character with very little depth to them that a story ends up centered around. Meiko and Meicoomon didn't really have a lot of interesting traits or development aside from being plot devices, but most of the story is written around them, so they do fit the bill in that sense.
Royal Knight Sleipmon could you say they fit the BILLIAM
Then a lot of characters with little depth having stories centered around would be considered Mary Sues, that's what happens when you keep changing the definition of a word to fit what you think it means. A Mary Sue is a female character who is essentially flawless, liked by everyone, can do everything perfectly, and can do no wrong.
Don't forget they immediately accept her as one of them and like her just because. She did nothing to earn their respect or friendship, she just shows up.
Meiko is liked by everyone for no reason. She just shows up and has a digimon, she does nothing to earn anything from the DigiDestined. Including her dragged the whole thing down and I thought they focused way too much on her when she's boring af.
She showed them she had a Digivice and a partner. What do you think they should have done? Shunned her? Not believe her? Dislike her for no reason?
IMO the really could have fixed the 02 character missing problem by setting the story during the character's summer vacation. they could have just written it off by saying that the 02 digidestined went on vacation out of the country and could not help the original digidestined with the problem and then the writers would only have to write about how the original digidestined emotionally deal with fighting Ken
they dotn fight ken the guy was nto ken dude it cnaform you should know thg uyw nto ken guys psoeing as ken it was not the real ken in tha tri sieres
signerleo snyder I can't understand your grammar at all
Too bad that would take too much budget, time, and real effort to do so.
+ NekoVanguard
I disagree. No need for extra animation, just one extra line of dialogue. They could have easily just written one sentence saying they took Malaysia Airlines during summer vacation, and went missing during said vacation. The rest of the cast say "OK" and not have to worry about them until they hear news about what happened to Malaysia Airlines much later. ...too soon?
Just watching this review, everyone has a default/bored expression WAY too much
I never got past the first episode of Tri myself, it felt completely off and slow compared to what I was expecting so figured it wasn't for me, and then I found out the 02 kids were just removed so lost interest. It's fun seeing people's reviews and reactions to it though, so at least I get that entertainment out of it 🤣
To be fair, you didn't miss anything. Tri is terrible.
Tri was a mess. They messed up Meicoomon, not even showing us her true mega once. They had Omnimon finish things when it wasn't even his place. It should have fell to TK, Meico, and Kari, not Matt and Tai. It should have been a three way DNA digivolution between Magnadramon/Ophanimon, Seraphimon, and Rasielmon, not Omnimon. The who thing about the real world being rebooted was just stupid. Alphamon and JESmon act completely contrary to themselves, they made Homeostasis seem like a complete uncaring jerk. And Meico was stupid. She could have told Izzy that Meicoomon was perhaps the source of the virus. That way they could isolate her in that server, extract the virus, and try to make a vaccine from it. It could still end up horribly wrong, but at least she went and actually tried something instead of crying the entire time.
God I hate Yggdrasil and homeostasis so much, digimon needs to step away from these plotdevice villains that always selfcorrupt themselves because their entire existence is flawed anyways. They are so lazy and boring to watch compared to some of the other villains digimon had.
TheflamingWol f They actually ruined Homeostasis. She wasn't supposed to be anything like Yggdrasil. She was something more ancient and alive than Yggdrasil and a good friendly being. Not what they made her out to be here.
So.. what is the evolution chain for Meicoomon??
meicoomon> meicrackmon>rasielmon and meicoomon>meicrackmon vicious mode> raguelmon depending on whether its evil or good.
+Andres Marrero
>""true Mega"
Tri's Meicoomon's true Mega is Raguelmon. Raguelmon even saved Meiko once. It was affected by virus, but that did not necessarily make the Digimon "not true" evolution.
Rasielmon was only created for V-Pet ver 20th, but it was not intended to be part of tri (and some people jumped into conclusions just because it was a possible evolution of Meicoomon as a species, but not tri!Meicoomon in particular)
I would prefer to not have any kind of new fusion/DNA, and just gave all these new Mega Digimon they had spent five-six movies to build up to do more things and joined the fight. But no, instead we have like the 7th version of Omegamon stealing screentime to finish the entire story.
>Alphamon and JESmon act completely contrary to themselves, they made Homeostasis seem like a complete uncaring jerk.
Royal Knights probably did not even exist as a group in Adventure universe since Taichi and Yamato's Omegamon obviously is not a member. They are their own characters, so there is nothing in comtrary to begin with. Also, if you thought that Homeostasis was a jerk, then the writers actually succeeded; that was the point. It was the "Fuck all these gods, humans made their own future" kind of story a la Shin Megami Tensei story where both God and demons are jerks. Homeostasis was a reasonable god, until you intervened with its duty. It did not mind sacrifices as long as its objective was accomplished - world harmony. Yggdrasil was a Digimon supremacist and hated humans.
Meiko was actually not sure to begin with since she only knew from her father that Meicoomon was a special Digimon, but did not know the details. Telling Koshiro/Izzy that would have meant ratting out her own partner Digimon (which is also her best friend) and that they possibly had to fight/hurt Meicoomon. It was the same reason why Takeru/TK did not tell about Patamon's infection to others since he did not want others to fight/hurt Patamon.
Well at least joe and gomamon had some very Nice moments,
Oh and tentomon had his chance to Shine, and shine he did.
But i need to say i have never been so happy to see mahinedramon again... then i got the worst dissapointment i ever had, i mean it was better than his death in Adventure, so Win/Loss... I guess.
Also i believe meiko to be one of the most adorable characthers i have ever seen in digimon... That is the case til she turns in to a depressed mess of a charather, that is just un-plesant to be around (felt like adding just to specify)
Tentomons movie was by far my favourite part of tri, guess im just a sucker for the whole "fighting your mindcontrolled friends" trope. Sadly the whole virus thing got just thrown out the window after that.
Also not sure when Meiko ever wasnt a depressed mess of a character, but I guess it was just me not noticing because she is so quiet and passive when she isnt depressed. I feel like if she had been a more happy/outgoing character she wouldve had a better shot of integrating into the digidestined, but as it stands she kinda just went along with everything without ever doing anything of her own. Though the others also were a lot more stoic and quiet most of the movies and didnt really do anything to improve meiko.
TheflamingWol f
In the first two movies Meiko ist much more cheerful than in the rest.
Yes, but she still doesnt do anything without being pushed to do it by the other characters. She doesnt do anything because she wants to, which makes it hard to care about her when she gets introduced 2 seasons late into the plot.
She couldve been fine as a character if she had showed up in 01 and developed together with the rest similar to how Joe and Mimi turned out fine.
Tri really needed a driving force and Mei shouldve been exactly that, befriend the digidestined and get them to help you save your digimon. The way it turned out was more like the digidestined did all the work for 4-5 movies till Mei finally resolved to take action of her own. They basically read her mind and saved her digimon while mei was feeling sorry for herself and everyone else.
If instead she had been an outgoing character she couldve been reckless and pushed the others along and maybe even clashed with matt and tai a bit all while actively establishing herself as a real character without overrelying on everyone else to do everything.
TheflamingWol f
That's all fine and dandy, but I was just pointing out that she was more cheerful in the first two movies and how it wasn't until the third when she was depressed.
You know, I never shipped Tai and Matt... until Tri.
wtf
I think they have so much more chemistry than Matt and Sora or Tai and Sora. To me it is canon that they end up together. That also explains why it wasn't explicitly mentioned at the end of 02 that Matt and Sora are married despite Sora having a child who looks like Matt and vice versa. Just look at the huuuuuge distance between Matt and Sora in that epilogue while he is standing right next to Tai for the whole time. Let's face it. By the time 02 ends they are already divorced and Tai and Matt are a couple now. Tai's son is probably from Meiko.
@@ulxTIMxate chill its just cartoon
@@snin3202 🤢 It's an anime! Don't call it cartoon!
@@ulxTIMxate its the same.
Anime is just japanese word for cartoon.
Ya know its kinda gross that they open with things happening to characters we know from the 2nd generation and then they proceed to not explore that at all. Also Tri took months to come out so you just kinda had to sit on that knowledge with no payoff for months.
I don't need to imagine losing an established character Digimon. I almost cried at the end of Tamers.
Dan Kayur I was crying tears of joy cause that shit was over
karnrulez we get it you dont like digimon tamers you really need to learn how to take opinions
Digimon has always been one of my favorite. I watched it when I was 6 :D maybe the best moments in TRI is seeing the rest of the digimon digivolve into Mega level
Yeah, but aside from tentomon, everyone else evolving into mega seemed forced. There was no real reason they should've digivolved.
axxxonn not really when u look at it all it takes is a strong bond and a life or death situation only ones I think transformed out they ass were rosemon and vikemon, other then that I think the others made sense but still glad to see them finally get mega lol
Seraphimon's first moment in Tri was awful tho. The rest are just meh (except for Herculeskabuterimon moment, that was dope)
@@Dakingalbert2 actually no, a strong bond and danger is not enough to digivolve to mega. In fact, Tai and Matt needed to get shot by arrows from angemon and angewomon in the back for Agumon and gabumon to warp into mega
@@axxxonn well that was only in adventure 1 and that was way back when they digimon and them weren't that experienced also in the season right after that which is canon since it's the only season that links to 01 the 02 cast pulled mega level out they ass compared to 01 so now look at it as they actually caught up now even tho wargreymon and metalgarurumon are two powerful megas and can fuse into a royal knight digimon the 01 cast would've still wrecked the 02 cast, now it's over kill lol
While Mako is not by definition a "Mary-Sue", the term itself is far from being a buzzword and if used correctly can be a legitimate criticism of a character. Watch Terrible Writing Advice's on it.
I think what most people find jarring about Mako is how quickly and effortlessly the group treats her as one of them instead of just someone the group is helping out.
Dude, seriously. In the last film it was so jarring that the team treated Meicoomon's peril with the same weight as Gatomon's. Like, you met this bitch a week ago.
Yep. Billiams definition of how teenagers date was pretty out of touch too. Wouldn't expect him to know from experience though.
Honestly, I feel a Mary Sue would be more interesting than Meiko in this movie. I rather watch Fusions with Taiki (or whatever he is called) than watch Tri ever again. It was so lifeless.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one whose enthusiasm for this series started to peter out as the movies got released. I agree that Meiko doesn't exactly fit the definition of a Mary Sue and it's more of a symptom of the other issues with Tri however a lot of things involving her seem very Mary Sue-ish which I point out in my most recent video. All those tropes just end up making the series feel like a bad fan fic to me. I also have to disagree with you on the point that the reboot didn't effect the personalities of the digimon, which it shouldn't have anyways. The reboot changed the personality of Biyomon from a kind and friendly digimon to a cold hearted bitch for the only explainable purpose of force conflict for Sora. My biggest complaint is how the season 2 characters got snubbed throughout the series and how their supposed friends didn't really seem concern with them missing. They tried the one time to go to Ken's house but were like, "no one's home, oh well!"
I have to agree with you on the explored elements of lore, especially with the past digidestined. I just don't like their fate in this movie. I think Maki should have eventually realized her mistake and redeemed herself somehow but apparently having her drown in the dark ocean in her despair was good enough for the writes which was disappointing. I think they could have done a better job a differentiating Homestasis and Ygdrails just bit but at least we got to indirectly see more of them.
I'm hoping Last Evolution will be good...when we get to see it here in the States.
Yeah, after they finish that new Digimon Adventure anime anniversary movie in 2019 I hope they never touch any version of Adventure again for the same reason I think Pokémon is bringing back Kanto too much. Maybe the new movie will do a good job and make me want more Adventure though, but I want another new universe added to the Digimon franchise. I feel more invested in the new game Digimon Survive than the new movie.
Animemus
Kanto Kanto Kanto Kanto Johto Kanto MEGAKanto Kanto Kanto FutureKanto Kanto Kanto Kanto Hoen×Kanto SPACE ...Kanto
Ian Schimnoski Kanto in space????
Leonardo Farias
You know they've been leading up to it! There's already been a confirmed Moon region populated by pokémon, confirmed since Kanto... Clefairy; also two pokémon who live in the Ozone Layer [namely Raquaza and that sad one from Sun&Moon], Deoxys, and those unconfirmed alien ones from Black&White, plus: there are lots of spacestations and stuff, and plenty of interdimensional and time: travel; it's about time some trainers went into space😠!
...from Kanto...
This is all very funny to me
Leonardo Farias Mewtwo went into space with a shiny Genesect. The original opening has Mew and Mewtwo flying in space with a starry background. And Ash almost went into space with a Victini in a sword castle.
Seriously tho f*** Meiko. They just shoehorned a hysterically generic anime girl to appeal to a new audience. The original cast is already great and theres like a hundred of them. I wanted to know more about the characters I haven't seen since I was a kid ( and possibly see the 02 cast?) then have this lame dandere girl come out of nowhere.
Meiko should've been written differently, she just didn't fit as a character in the Digimon-verse. But otherwise she feels so useless she could be written out and Meicoomon could just be replaced with a different Digimon and/or went rogue and it'd most likely stay the same. Except there'd be more character development with the original DigiDestined, which is what we were looking forward to most, and we still ended up disappointed.
Meicoomon is pretty cute though....
+Kumori Garasu The story actually would not work without Meiko since the entire point of the kids not defeating/killing Meicoomon from the very beginning was because it was a partner Digimon of someone they know, i.e. one of them. There would not be a reason to not kill Meicoomon from the very beginning, especially since it threatened the world and the kids had killed unpartnered, threatening Digimon before.
Sol
That is a good point. Meicoomon and Meiko simply needed better character execution.
I disagree
You covered all my problems with Tri, so glad it was all brought out. The completely energy-less atmosphere of the show, the stoicism of all the characters, everyone not caring about the disappearance of friends, the super long digivolving, etc. Tri was utterly disappointing.
I only recently discovered this channel but when he talks about his love for Digimon from his childhood to adulthood I almost feel like he's speaking my thoughts on the franchise. I'm 31 years old in 2023 and I still hold Adventure dearly in my heart as nerdy as that is to say.
Same here. Digimon is one of the few shows that has stayed with me into adulthood.
I liked it at first but then every episode was the same damn conflict, the new girl apologizes then the rest of the gang tells her it’s not her fault and that goes on for like 6 episodes
Are you going to talk about Frontier? Let's face it Frontier is power rangers
AMEN
Sam Kanter It doesn't even bother with the Zords. It one upped Power Rangers at its own game.
If Power Rangers was just, you know, bad.
Frontier is one of my favorite seasons and even I have to admit it was bascially power rangers
Yup but the brothers was cool
Tri is taking an old, popular anime and trying to make it "adult" by overloading emotional, tearjerky moments and "seriously artistic" aesthetics... completely ignoring what made first season of Digimon so special. Characters feel shallow and emotionless and most drama is forced and very unrealistic in the sense of human feelings.
Add to that complete silence about 02 just to separate it more from the feeling and continuity of Adventures and you have the actual problem - Digimon Tri is continuation of the story just on the surface, for the sake of making continuation and not because there was need to say something more. A series made because there's anniversary and company decided that they need an anniversary thing...
Its not that mako is mary sue its that shes the focus of everything and constantly getting reassured that shes wanted... shes didnt need to be there
Well, atleast Digimon Adventure *TRIED*
Haha so funny
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@@cameronb8988 that is offensive
@@cameronb8988 thank you
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
Hold up. Hold up. The orchestral Brave Heart in Alphamon vs Omegamon was AWESOME.
They tri'd okay?