The secret of maximum loudness (part 2)
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2021
- In this second part of the series, Dan Worrall will reveal the secret of achieving maximum loudness for your music, regardless of whether you mix/master for CD or streaming services. And it might not at all be what you think...
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the real secret to loudness was the friends we made along the way.
That’s where you’re wrong… the secret is, Family.
If you mean by friends along the way all of the little bits of compression and saturation in your audio chain, then yep, sounds about right.
Xd
@Eegoal Official sorry it wasn’t literal, more like a Dom from Fast 9 joke lol
the real secret is to be friends with Dan Warral
Dan telling us all to cut it out and use the volume knob what a legend
lmao
djs be like: ok, this is hitting -18dbfs so now ill pump up my limiter chain up to -3 LUFS
volume knob be like:
- bru?
Spoilers! 😤
@@tophan5146 Why are you reading the comments before finishing the video?
@@Ivy_Panda addiction
'Make it sound as good as possible' - 1000% true. Anytime I listen to a well produced/mixed/mastered song, no matter how loud it already is I want to turn it up even more.
Exactly.. And by making it sound good you are having a well balanced mix, most likely or not is going to be a bit louder than a bad mixed song where the bass is too high and kicks overpowering everything.
Exactly. This is what I am thinking when listening to Noisia's track. They are extremely loud already but also being controlled. I do enjoy all the details Noisia put into them
Exactly that.
I don't agree. You have to balance the loudness with the dynamics of the song. You want some space between the subtleties and the swells... Unless of course you're referring to dance music...
@@luxarmiger2205 don’t call me out with that overpowering kick 😅😅 it’s fine in house music right? 😅
"Hack your listener's brain, and make them want to turn it up."
*i sat here watching this by myself and applaused no cap*
It brought a tear to my eye ahaha such truth
That quotes are gold! absolutely agree!
i sat here watching this by myself and applaused no clap
Yeah as soon as he said that I bursted in laughter hahah Great ending to the video!
I also paused here, took notes, and thought "this is awesome!"
100% educational. Forget him never begging for the subscribe, he's not even plugging the product.
The product is still shown off and when he used the 1:1 button I was sold.
All music making videos should be like this
So the secret to maximum loudness is turning the volume up? Im both satisfied and perplexed by that obvious answer
Often the simplest answer is the solution
yes, haven't you heard say Thriller by MJ on Spotify, which is probably not as loud as today's music, yet you can't get enough of it and have to turn it up simply because it is a master piece.
@@tecnica-de-voz Actually this doesn't matter. All streaming platforms (including youtube) will normalize volume to the same level. An old song will sound quieter because it has a higher dynamic range. For example, if you upload to soundcloud, they "recommend" that you normalize to -10 to -14 LUFS, however when you actually do this with a master, its gonna be waaaay too quiet and people wont be able to simply "turn it up" because its gonna be quiet at max volume. They could "turn it up" in an analog chain (i.e. dedicated amplifier post conversion) but the vast majority of people will listen to it on commercial devices (especially headphones and cheap speakers) where this wont be possible. So this all means that you need to ignore their recommendations and normalize to as loud as possible (commercial electronic music often go up to -6LUFS and beyond), which they will "turn down" but because you dont have much dynamic range, it will still sound a lot louder than a song originally mastered to lets say -12 LUFS. Peaks barely matter in modern music because most of it is not organic sound (electronic instruments vastly dominate modern music). When you master things like jazz or orchestral music or folk music its a very different thing however.
@@novakattila I’d argue it definitely can matter and factor in with electronic instruments, it’s just not the norm because the vast majority of people don’t care. It’s not what’s being used to make the music but rather who’s consuming it.
I heard somewhere that 'the end user has control over the volume of the song but not the quality'. Also I've been waiting for this video for a long time despite knowing all this, I just love watching Dan's videos.
One thing you can do if you’re making an album that you want people to listen to all the way through is to consider what level the first track starts at. If you want impactful punchy loud parts, you can start the first song ever so slightly quieter. The audience will set the level. Then loud really is louder. Of course, you have to be careful how much extra dynamic range you leave, because if you annoy people they will simply turn your music off. But with a spare decibel or two, you can have a heavier impact, like classical recordings, which sound genuinely loud when they’re loud. Basically i’m saying, leave a little space. A track that does this is Radiohead’s track Palo Alto. The track gives you the idea it will be at one level… but then the chorus kicks in, and you get insanely loud guitars. Hats off to them for having the stones to do this. It really makes the track stand out. (Also, it’s a great song)
I'm convinced the first track on NIN's "broken" is just to get the listener to turn up the volume, so when the guitars slam in during the second track, it smacks you in the face.
Now see that's annoying
In a similar (but opposite) fashion, Dr. Dre being the audio genius that he is provides a nice Dolby-esque sound at the beginning of 2001 that pretty much allows you to set the volume once and roll through the album. Of course, it's also a super loud album
@@dirkchurlish4074 *awesome
THANK YOU
Collectivce Soul did this too with their song "Simple".
Loud Mixes (squashed to crap to create artificial loudness) are for low listening levels so we can...well..."hear" it at low volume. Low Mixes (more dynamic) are for loud listening levels so we can...well..."feel" it at high volume. Thank you Dan for getting the message out.
Yet nowadays vehicles are quieter inside than ever, noise cancelling headphones are the norm, and things like radio stations already have pre-processors that EQ and Compress to maximize the signal over the transmitter.
Dan Worrall is my spirit animal.
15 years into the music business and I STILL get to learn from Dan! What a scientist!
FINALLY IVE BEEN WAITING
Me tooo
Sameee
You’ve been baited lol
Nobody talking about the banger of a BG track in this video?!
Dan the man making everything make sense and organizing my brain, as usual.
The punchline was totally worth the wait - and it's the absolute truth. When a great track plays - and I'm in the mood for it, I will just turn it up loud and rock my head to it. That was the perfect denouement to a very informative film. Thank you, Dan.
This is a work of art disguised as a tutorial. Thanks again, Dan
I've had the same thought about his tutorials.
Being in radio for about 46 years I noticed the sometimes dramatic, insane increase of loudness. And what a war it was (and still seems to be). To me it's very simple: if a recording of a song is mastered too much in my face, I simply *don't play it*. It won't be at the playlist at all.
Radio uses it's own processing in order to cater listeners invironmentalwise best (at least our radio station KilRock does...). Even the Big Names in the industry (don't mention any names, but Orban is one of them) warn radio engineers in the manuals of their OptiMods for 'ear fatigue': the moment listeners will switch off because their ears are getting tired of the compressed sound overload they experience.
A too heavily compressed mastered recording will be recognised by a multiband compressor from about 1982 and later. The device will just not proces the signal significantly. But there's a little catch here: when audio, coming straight from a mastering room is too compressed anyway, the listening experience will be a bit overwhelming anyway, so listeners will shut down their radios still because of that.
At first, listeners will turn down the volume a bit. After a while, they still will switch off their radios because of the restless soundscape they experience. This behaviour counts heavenly in your ratings. Besides that: if you're a recording artist or engineer, I don't think you want to be remembered as a loudness freak in the first place. What I'd suggest is that the 100% uncompressed audio is kept available at all times. Who knows what kind of engineering we can expect in the near future? I certainly don't :o)
Thanks for posting your videos. I like them very much!
interesting. Always am fascinated with radio processing
I've heard old mastering guys say that it was radio playback (i.e. people listening in their cars) that drove (no pun intended) the loudness war.
it's interesting to me how the amount of low-frequency content in pop music increased starting sometime around 1990. that created a need for better limiting tools, right? but you could also say that it was the limiting tools that made all that bass possible. bass in your face, baby! whatchoo gon' do wit all dat bass?
its* own processing, not it's
"Just make it sound good as possible" Haha, nice conclusion
Wow, Mr. Worrall. Just wow. I've made a playlist of your Fabfilter videos and at each stage of my mixing process I review the relevant plugins and I achieve very satisfying results. Your videos have helped my ears to mature, separate fact from fiction and complete a project with a sense of doing the best I could at my ability as well as knowing that in the future I will see room for improvement which will be used in future projects. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. I hope it is worth your time.
I love this channel, the content is so well edited and thoughtfully written.
So my takeaway from this is, make a very dynamic tune @ -14 LUFS with a very quiet intro. Listener turns it up, then they get to the climax of the tune and are blown away. This results in millions in streaming revenue, private jets and regular talk show appearances. :P
Brilliant video once again, thanks Dan! :)
I have to say I'm always impressed with the quality of production and information in these videos. I can't praise it enough!
woop woop! always happy to see these videos coming in!
Wow, the last minute of the video reveals the secret! Fantastic! That's how I will make it now! THX so much! Thumbs up, pal!
Thank you, sensei Dan!
Thank you for the simple honest truth. I'll turn it up if I want it "Louder"!
Brilliant! Loving these FabFilter videos.. so informative and well produced!
This is the BEST video on this topic I have ever seen - THANKS!!
worth the wait from part 1. thank you dan and fabilter homies!!
This is basicly what i've been saying to everyone since I started doing mixing and mastering. Glad I can now point everyone to this, once again, perfectly explained video. Thanks Mr Worral ;-)
Brilliantly executed!
Oh sh*#!! I didn't read the video description and was not ready for Dan "The Man" popping back here. I instantly hit full screen and start making obeisance. Respect, Dan and FabFilter!🙏
Dan Worrall, a gushing fountain of wisdom.
Thanks so much for all this excellent education!
Thanks Dan, these two videos have been SO helpful to understand the whole issue and how we should approach loudness when mastering!
sooooo incredible. So much power in all of this! thank you thank you thank you!
Beautiful advice in the end!
Man I was waiting for this like the conclusion to a good cliffhanger episode of my favorite show, and you didn't disappoint! Yes, the loudness war was always pointless and its interesting that streaming platforms are basically ending it.
Yeah I feel you there.
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@@ieatthighs Correct!
If there is some kind of reward for production tutorial videos these 2 parts would be first on the list to get it!! You deserve a reward for this no doubt!!!
Loved this!
Just watched it again. Excellent video. Thanks.
Dan, you are KING! Thank you!
great video! amazing conclusion
Clear, concise info. Just the facts, no waffling.
Thanks for that.
Been checking every day on the page for this
Excellent video!
Excellent tutorial Dan as always. Thanks a million!
Brilliant as always!
Those last sentences just gave me goosebumps !
Thank for he video !
Glorious message!
Thanks so much, FabFilter😁😁😁
you made my eyes tear with a big smile on
my face at the end, thanks for that :)
that last statement teared me up. I'm going to make good music, that's my dream and i'll make it come true.
Learned so much, laughed a little at the end. The answer was right there in front of us.
The music in all your videos is simply amazing…❤ like a cherry on top.
great video! Thank you
Every single producer and or mixing engineer needs to watch this.
Brilliant conclusion !
I LOVE the conclusion!
Thanks, one more great video.
Yep, that's the way to do it. Thanks, Dan!
The practical tip at the end about actual loudness...brilliant.
wisdom ... thanks Dan
Anyone else here hit the like before watching?Your videos are the best in youtube.And I really appreciate all you doing.
Yep, standard practice for Dan’s videos now.
This is Gold Jerry, Gold!
Been waiting for this sequel every single day
educational, and uplifting. Thanks Dan
Loved it
Wow, this video is so good. It contains so much useful detailed information.
BRAVO ! this video should be shown in all audio engineering schools !
..awesome videos from you!!! 🙂
I've been a Dubstep & Sub-Genres fan for over 7 years and I can tell, here (also on the EDM scene) the loudness war is not over at all unfortunately.
Every song you listen is careless about true peak or distortion due to excessive limiting. No dynamic range at all, no sense of depth, bass, kick and snare become square waves, they're not afraid to put six instances of clipper in order to get the most sharp piece of brick possible.
It seems impossible to get any louder yet they manage to push the artificial loudness further every year.
It doesn't matter if you manually adjust the volume, even at quieter levels it's still up front your face, hurting your ears.
But I can't escape now, I've been listening to this for so long believe it or not, it's actually desirable for songs to be this loud, it's somehow what makes Dubstep be Dubstep.
One day I did an "experiment" wondering why after turning down the volume, this loud music was still so piercing. I used an oscilloscope wich if you think about it, represents how your eardrums and your speakers will physically vibrate to different sounds (kind off), then played this criminally loud song whose drop goes up to -1.9Lufs!!!!!. The waveform, revealed it all, your poor eardrums, vibrating so aggressively, I finally realized the source of my tinnitus and hearing loss.
If you made it this far, I hope this was informative. I'm not trying to invalidate anything said on the video, I totally agree and appreciate the information. Hopefully my favorite music genre can be saved from this excessive loudness nonsense.
Have a great day!!
Hi, please tell me the name of that software and name of that song with 2 lufs... Loudest music that i know was 3 lufs..
@@hamisheginet well, I didn't want to reveal the (crimimal (lol not really)) behind this song but here you go: DDD - Kaiser, it's free to download on SoundCloud.
For the oscilloscope view, windows media player has an oscilloscope visualizer, I also use a plugin called Signalizer, its free and it comes with a bunch of audio analyzing tools.
And to measure Lufs, Youlean Loudness meter is free and super awesome.
I don't remember the integrated Lufs of the song but I remember the momentary going up to -1.9
some of that is achieved merely by composition. if you have 2 simple and brutally loud sounds, having them alternate, instead of playing at one time, will allow each one to remain the loudest :D
Far Too Loud (aptly named UK breakbeat duo) is quite good at this technique. Electro spawned it, basically, but dubstep and it's kin took it further. Pop music (EDM) basically copies this aesthetic verbatim as it's about being really OBVIOUS EVEN ON CRAP SYSTEMS (all caps designed to simulate obtusely obvious stuff, lol...)
@@rektskrubm8316 thanks
And here i am struggling to make my song clean while sitting on 8 lufs
The end made me smile. What a simple but brilliant conclusion. Thanks for all this information :)
Awesome! you are the industry standard Dan
That end is priceless! :D
Thank you for making this video, the story is remarkable
Oh man, all the wasted hours and now I find this gem
man, the conclusion of this video made me tear up. So beautiful.
Thanks for this. Really helpful.
learning about the loudness penalty website from this, thank you so much!! Continue to make great content!
due to the quality of what was explained and demonstrated here, including the advice/wisdom at the end, i had little choice but to locate the 'volume up' button and watch it through again. 👍🏻
thank you so much. it was a wonderful class.
Great Video('s). Thanks for the mass of information.
Such a great ending 👍🏻👍🏻. Well done
Dan is just phenomenal, really!
Very informative and educational. Thank you!
Amazing Worrall
I am holding so much thoughts, I am getting dizzy. Wonderful video. Instant classic!
I love your content! You provide such wisdom. Thanks.
finally the second part :) thank you
Dude! u r the GOAT!
Thank You for your work! This is the high level education!
Great Video, i learned a lot!
Thank you, Dan, you are a legend!
A lot of these questions have been bothering me for a long time. Thanks for the explanation!
Top class info in here and not just an advert for Pro-L 2. Which everyone should buy anyway.
Thank you!
Very informative! Thanks for that!
Excellent! I like the knob to set up or down the volume ;)
Great informations!