Samplerates: the higher the better, right?

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  • Опубліковано 26 лют 2020
  • In this video tutorial, Dan Worrall explains when and why you should use higher samplerates for your recordings and mixing sessions, and more importantly... when you should NOT. Also, Dan goes in depth about oversampling vs. higher sample rates.
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  • @Lantertronics
    @Lantertronics 2 роки тому +1502

    Georgia Tech Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering in the Digital Signal Processing Technical Interest Group here... This is the first explanation of sampling, aliasing, upsampling/downsampling, antialiasing filters, etc. I've seen/heard, in print or in video, in 20 years that (a) didn't make me cringe at any point, and (b) completely blew me away with how illuminating it was.

    • @jackallenproductions
      @jackallenproductions 2 роки тому +12

      Excellent.

    • @antoniomonteiro1203
      @antoniomonteiro1203 2 роки тому +37

      I can say exactly the same!
      I have designed and built a DSP guitar amplifier. I have seen a lot of videos and articles that are incorrect and / or misleading.
      This one is superb!

    • @jackallenproductions
      @jackallenproductions 2 роки тому +4

      @@antoniomonteiro1203 How did you find the process of building that, Antonio? Were there any resources/instructions/information you found particularly helpful? Something I've been thinking about trying my hand at. I'm pretty handy with various projects, but an Amp would be new territory for me and I'm not quite sure where to start.

    • @antoniomonteiro1203
      @antoniomonteiro1203 2 роки тому +6

      @@jackallenproductions There is a lot of information and I believe it is not practical to put it here. How can we communicate by other means?

    • @pbholmen
      @pbholmen 2 роки тому +3

      I've been dabbling into DSP myself, and I'd like some more info about this. I understand the basics of harmonic distortion and I understand what aliasing is. But does this unwanted effect, of reflected frequencies, happen due to processing in the time domain or in the frequency domain? I haven't tried to make a saturation plugin myself, but I'd imagine I would simply limit each sample in the time domain, with a transfer function that compresses the curve towards the extremes, so that a sinusoid would start to approach a square wave. Surely this would add third order harmonic distortion, but wouldn't cause any aliasing, would it? Sure, if I kept on adding odd harmonic sinusoids, and went above nq frequency, then there would be aliasing, but why would I do that? As you sure can tell, I haven't actually done any non-linear processing (coding) myself... :)

  • @gepmrk
    @gepmrk 2 роки тому +174

    "If the song is good and the mix is good, no one will care about a bit of aliasing!" Phew ... sanity is finally restored.

    • @pjjmsn
      @pjjmsn Рік тому +3

      Yes the differences were so subtle I don't know if I could pass a blind AB test.

    • @michaelvenne9386
      @michaelvenne9386 Рік тому +9

      Dude I don't care if the mix sounds good or nah. I just want to be able to brag about having 14 compressor on my vocal track.

    • @ridinglow6732
      @ridinglow6732 2 місяці тому

      @@michaelvenne9386that’s just dumb

    • @michaelvenne9386
      @michaelvenne9386 2 місяці тому +1

      @@ridinglow6732 yeah.

  • @tytonproductions9868
    @tytonproductions9868 4 роки тому +229

    Finally, someone explains the whole sample rate thing in a way that non-DSP engineers can actually understand. Thank you Dan

    • @gherbent
      @gherbent 3 роки тому +4

      You are not right, some things actually are related to production and music producers to use tools right, among them, your CPU performance limits you to do things right......

    • @MarcelGavalier
      @MarcelGavalier Рік тому +1

      this!

    • @Gameplayer55055
      @Gameplayer55055 Місяць тому +1

      Meanwhile a student who is studying DSP algorithms discovers the world of music production (me)

  • @schlaggattack8607
    @schlaggattack8607 4 роки тому +508

    PLEASE Someone has to make a 10 hours version of Dan Worrall saying "However" and "kilo Hertz".
    I'll need it to fall asleep at night

    • @alphanumeric1529
      @alphanumeric1529 4 роки тому +17

      And that person is you.

    • @alexovercast3359
      @alexovercast3359 4 роки тому +5

      Lol it's funny I'm watching this before turning the light out and going to sleep.

    • @TheAJKid
      @TheAJKid 4 роки тому +1

      Haha. Gold

    • @lambd01d
      @lambd01d 3 роки тому

      I fell asleep watching this vid.

    • @MattWillisMattFWB
      @MattWillisMattFWB 3 роки тому +14

      ua-cam.com/video/yaiS3f3P-2M/v-deo.html ok, its not 10 hours, but hey, Merry Christmas

  • @LuxElliott
    @LuxElliott 4 роки тому +1128

    Dan, you're amazing. I would replace Alexa and Siri's voice with yours in a heartbeat.

    • @bassbuzzmusic6681
      @bassbuzzmusic6681 4 роки тому +7

      😃 good idea

    • @LoveMeBack
      @LoveMeBack 4 роки тому +14

      Lux Elliott or my wife’s.....

    • @syzygyfpv5135
      @syzygyfpv5135 4 роки тому +2

      this should happen. I want Dan's voice as an option for Siri.

    • @joost3783
      @joost3783 4 роки тому +2

      Dude me2 - and imagine they would give you so much well articulated and informed information

    • @kevinlong4657
      @kevinlong4657 4 роки тому +1

      @@LoveMeBack that cracked me up thanks

  • @roberthunt1540
    @roberthunt1540 4 роки тому +431

    I've been trying to grasp this sample rate stuff for years. And along comes Dan. I'm not sure anyone could possibly do a better job of teaching this. Color me awestruck. I finally get it! And if I can get it, anyone can!

    • @xnoreq
      @xnoreq 4 роки тому +6

      Then you mustn't have tried. There are tons of resources on the basics of digital signal processing. There have even been great introductory videos for people that cannot read, like xiph's "Digital Show & Tell" published in 2013.

    • @happylittlesynth
      @happylittlesynth 4 роки тому +38

      @@xnoreq no need to rain on his positivity dude....he's just a happy camper!

    • @fantasyproduct1042
      @fantasyproduct1042 4 роки тому +18

      @@xnoreq oooh aren't you the clever girl

    • @Whanworld
      @Whanworld 4 роки тому +7

      Same here man! He also presents in a manner which I want to listen to and not fall asleep to. Even though his voice would be GREAT for audio books haha.

    • @BogdanWeiss
      @BogdanWeiss 4 роки тому

      I know I'm going to get my ass flamed & I would not trust this resource for anything historical nor political, but what's wrong with this definition ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(signal_processing)#Sampling_rate

  • @manifestgtr
    @manifestgtr 2 роки тому +82

    Dude, forget aliasing and oversampling.....this is a masterclass on the “inner lives” of our DAWs. This is yet another reason that I will always support fabfilter. Their plugins are among the cleanest in the industry, they’re infinitely usable and they’re pleasant on the eyes over the course of a long day. But even after all that, there’s content like this. I fear the day you guys decide to release a DAW. At that point, I’d have a pretty serious decision to make regarding my 20+ year investment in Pro Tools’ ecosystem....

    • @fireloks6362
      @fireloks6362 2 роки тому +6

      I would love to see Fabfilter make a DAW! :-)

    • @giordanobruno2509
      @giordanobruno2509 Рік тому +3

      OMG - can you imagine a FF DAW?! Who says Utopia can't exist?

    • @AndrewWilson1991
      @AndrewWilson1991 4 місяці тому

      I think Avid/PACE is a strong enough motivator to move on. There's plenty of better DAWs out there already.

    • @manifestgtr
      @manifestgtr 4 місяці тому

      @@AndrewWilson1991
      This is *just* a question…seriously, nothing antagonistic AT ALL. Don’t read into this as anything other than curiosity. Do you do this for a living?

    • @ridinglow6732
      @ridinglow6732 2 місяці тому

      @@manifestgtranswer: you definitely don’t need protools too make a living in music/mixing..stop the bullshit

  • @bikesnbeerz
    @bikesnbeerz 4 роки тому +1144

    I feel like I should have paid for this. Anyone else?

    • @C0D3O
      @C0D3O 4 роки тому +16

      it should be at least a blind test, when you see changin text 44 oversampled/48 bla bla, it tricks your brain and you "hear" difference. but it the reality there's no difference maybe (now you need to do a blind test yourself, or remain a fool).
      then
      go watch pensado's place where he, with a friendly smile on his face, swears that he can hear a difference in audio cables.
      also every single itl where he lies to people
      then every single mixing tutorials channels
      where there is not a second of useful info
      and then think

    • @ncshuriken
      @ncshuriken 4 роки тому +2

      @Gonzalo: Definitely among the best "processor" VST's I've ever used, but then I've not really tried many (any?) others since discovering FF! I guess thats a good AND bad thing lol!

    • @bigjay1970
      @bigjay1970 4 роки тому +2

      I was going to make my own comment but this comment sure seems like what I was thinking so there you go!🤗😇🤪

    • @bikesnbeerz
      @bikesnbeerz 4 роки тому +1

      @@gonzalob3348 Yep, bought most of them a while back. They are really all one needs (and yes, I have UAD, Waves etc)

    • @rrrafiel
      @rrrafiel 3 роки тому +2

      @@C0D3O Genuinely curious. What kind of lies does he tell?

  • @PERRECTUMpl
    @PERRECTUMpl 4 роки тому +263

    Best digital audio aliasing explanation ever. Thank you!

  • @KyleJackson81
    @KyleJackson81 4 роки тому +103

    This is, in my mind, the clearest and most informative demonstration and explanation of sample rates, aliasing, and the tricky bits of digital audio I've ever encountered. I'm also digging the Reaper mixer setup.

  • @Baphometrix
    @Baphometrix 4 роки тому +13

    I've been a strong proponent of working at 44.1 project sample rates for over a decade. Based largely on the understanding that most music producers have sample libraries comprising 44.1 samples, and that crappy realtime SRC up to 48 inside most DAWs was incurring a needless quality loss from the minimum phase anti-aliasing filter during realtime SRC. But your explanation of the cumulative effect of many oversampling stages with a gentler anti-aliasing filter at 48 has opened my eyes. Your A-B comparison at the end, of 44.1 oversampled versus 48 oversampled across the entire project was mind-boggling. My hearing is relatively destroyed at this point in my career, but even with my trashed ears, I can clearly hear the difference in that final AB demonstration. I would never have had the patience to set up a test project of that size to show the cumulative difference at 48 vs 44.1 like that. THANK YOU. (I'll be working at 48000 project rates from now on, despite the fact that I don't do soundtrack work and my sample library comprises mostly 44.1 samples.)

    • @Baphometrix
      @Baphometrix 4 роки тому +3

      @Agent К_видео The difference is subtle, and falls into the category of "ear training" for certain things, plus a LOT depends on your monitors and room characteristics (or your headphones). I'm used to listening for "how much clipping is too much clipping" because I use clippers a lot and push limiters hard. The aliasing artifacts and IMD in the 44100 version has some similar "dirt" and "grit" around the edges of the transient sounds in the mix (like with clipping), and the mids and highs feel a little more "congested". By contrast, the 48000 version has a more "open" feeling in the mids and highs, and not as much of that dirty/gritty edge to the transients.

    • @user-bo8ex4ji7n
      @user-bo8ex4ji7n Місяць тому

      @@Baphometrix Agree with your assessment and my opinion was that neither were necessarily "better" I listened to the comparison with different sets of monitors, and for some it felt like the 44.1 version with OS was slightly more mid/low-mid forward and it made it feel like a more focused mix. No doubt that the 48 one felt a bit wider/open, but that's not always what I want/need in a mix.

  • @tonynekrews
    @tonynekrews 4 роки тому +26

    That was utterly engrossing, educational and absorbing. I got so much from this, thanks Dan.

  • @jeremyjohnson7676
    @jeremyjohnson7676 3 роки тому +6

    This by far the smartest marketing video for FabFilter. And what makes it so unique is the fact, that everything he's explaining is 100% true!😂😂😂

  • @zzzyzzzyzzzyxxx
    @zzzyzzzyzzzyxxx 3 роки тому +3

    That was FABulously amazing! Thank you for the effort creating it and the generosity for sharing it.

  • @railgunrandy
    @railgunrandy 4 роки тому

    This was an awesome video and helped me understand a lot more about saturation too. Thanks for taking the time to help us out!

  • @igelkotte
    @igelkotte 4 роки тому +217

    The most important feature for high sample rates which you did not talk about, is the ability to pitch down audio with much better quality. Other than that, awesome video!

    • @ts4gv
      @ts4gv 4 роки тому +2

      Igelkotte Good point, thanks.

    • @thorwaldjohanson2526
      @thorwaldjohanson2526 4 роки тому +10

      I can see this being relevant for slow motion video. I'm curious, what are some other areas where you would significantly downpitch as to where this would have a relevant impact?

    • @skwig5670
      @skwig5670 4 роки тому +62

      @@thorwaldjohanson2526 basically in any modern electronic music production/sound design environment, for instance drum'n'bass and jungle producers have been severely downpitching/pitching/timestretching all kinds of sounds since the 90's, also the whole "chopped and screwed" hip hop sub-genre is BASED around slowing songs down for example. Furthermore, changing the speed of a sound is basically one of the easiest ways of transforming it and making it unrecognizable, hence giving you creative options.

    • @Hamachingo
      @Hamachingo 4 роки тому +32

      @@thorwaldjohanson2526 Auto-tune. The way it works is that it cuts audio into the tiniest chunks and sort of copy-pastes them and stretches them to alter pitch, length and vibrato. With 44.1 kHz, it sounds weird very quickly even with very mild auto-tuning. Even just having the recording in 48 kHz makes a big difference in my experience, now you can get away with correcting pitch and timing without it being noticeable. 96 kHz allows for extreme stuff if you're into that, but if you got somewhat capable musicians and are only fixing a few off notes or beats, 48 kHz works well for me (in Logic's own auo-tune system).

    • @thorwaldjohanson2526
      @thorwaldjohanson2526 4 роки тому +5

      @@Hamachingo Thanks for the responses guys :). I'm curious, are you usually recording in 192khz 24bit and then downsample if need be, or do you start directly with 48khz? Or do you record different instruments at different settings? And are there any disadvantages besides filesize, to record at the maximum bitrate?

  • @ASJerrell
    @ASJerrell 4 роки тому +7

    Best video and information on sample rates and oversampling to date. I’ve been so confused for so long, so I feel like I’ve watched and read them all. I feel much more comfortable now. Thank you so much.

  • @nichttuntun3364
    @nichttuntun3364 4 роки тому +3

    I'll have to watch again. Excellent content as always. It's not only a big learning factor, your video conclusions nearly always relaxes me, helping not to worry too much about possible quality losses. That's so great and I thank you very much.

  • @richardsomerville5725
    @richardsomerville5725 4 роки тому

    Thanks Dan for your continued excellent efforts.

  • @user-ij8ef2ck4u
    @user-ij8ef2ck4u 4 роки тому

    Incredible useful, as always! Just pure facts and undestandable examples. Thank you, Dan!

  • @whitefiretor7768
    @whitefiretor7768 4 роки тому +11

    Absolutely unreal as to how much I just learned in this half hour... Couldn't be happier to have been school by the great Dan once again! Thank you so much!!!!

  • @Trickey2413
    @Trickey2413 4 роки тому +8

    Honestly such a great video. Very informative.

  • @hazybrain7
    @hazybrain7 4 роки тому

    Superb production and lesson, and message too to all producers, Bravo Dan and Fabfilter team !

  • @sjoerdthabozz
    @sjoerdthabozz 4 роки тому

    WOW. Extremely well produced. Thanks for the effort you put in to explain this in an understandable way.

  • @raphaelherzig3316
    @raphaelherzig3316 3 роки тому +8

    Honestly, your videos are near perfection. Straight to the essential point, very pleasant to hear. And most of all, supported with scientifical demonstration that make us have confidence in the knowledge you transmit.
    I believe that your videos made me subconsciously create a growing percieved value for the fabfilter bundle, which I bought recently

  • @adithyasatheesh127
    @adithyasatheesh127 3 роки тому +7

    Dan definitely knows he's the best. Sometimes I get on UA-cam simply to hear this man talk about things I can't comprehend.

  • @noiseinthebasement8139
    @noiseinthebasement8139 3 роки тому

    Excellent presentation, and great information. Thanks, fabfilter & Dan W!

  • @bunnface9511
    @bunnface9511 4 роки тому

    This tutorial is pure gold, honestly, you help allot with this examples, explenations and themes. Love it

  • @nickcocks
    @nickcocks 4 роки тому +3

    THANK YOU I WORK IN AUDIOBOOKS AND HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD INDUSTRY SAMPLE RATE STANDARDS AND NOW I DO!!

  • @FrankOlsonTwins
    @FrankOlsonTwins 4 роки тому +5

    The best 29 minutes dedicated to sample rates on the internet. Excellent, thank you!

  • @marcusjayallen
    @marcusjayallen 4 роки тому +2

    I didn't even know I needed this. These videos are just top notch period. thank you so much Fabfilter.

  • @daniel_caron
    @daniel_caron 2 роки тому

    This presentation is a work of art. Thanks Dan.

  • @MichaelGraybill
    @MichaelGraybill 4 роки тому +13

    Especially well-explained and demonstrated concepts. All of it is valuable, perspective shaping information. Great work.

  • @norburybrook
    @norburybrook Рік тому +4

    Dan, probably the best video I've seen on tis subject.....ever.... Thank you . I'll refer friend and colleagues to this from now on

  • @swedishvoice
    @swedishvoice 4 роки тому

    This was as good as it gets when it comes to presenting real facts about audio processing. Thanks a lot, love it!

  • @arielcruz6097
    @arielcruz6097 3 роки тому

    Excellent way to see and hear the different between the samplerates. Great stuff Thank you!!

  • @warnimobv7890
    @warnimobv7890 2 роки тому +6

    probably the most honest video a company has ever made. Not even speaking of the clear and good information told by somebody with a great voice to listen to. Thank you for doing this!

  • @DIGOOfficial
    @DIGOOfficial 4 роки тому +11

    Knew this was gonna be Dan Worrall tutorial, clicked it, liked it, haven't even watched it yet. WIN.

  • @NJ000
    @NJ000 3 роки тому +2

    Honesty one of the best videos about this, thank you.

  • @happylittlesynth
    @happylittlesynth 4 роки тому +1

    Dan you're a god with the voice of one to boot. Thank you for all these amazing videos

  • @bandogbone3265
    @bandogbone3265 4 роки тому +14

    Dan, your presentations convey not only technical knowledge but also, and more importantly, much wisdom about how the skills fit into the whole project and to this work in general. Much thanks for an EXTREMELY well-planned and produced presentation -- the density of useful knowledge per unit time is off-the-charts! If there were awards given for this sort of thing, you would sweep the whole lot, every time!

  • @estebanlicea8909
    @estebanlicea8909 3 роки тому +7

    This is actual KNOWLEDGE, AND IT'S FREE!!!!!
    Thank you for making the world better!

  • @herrbasan
    @herrbasan 4 роки тому +1

    This was one of the best educational videos about digital audio i've ever seen. Thank you so much for this.

  • @MatsumuriMedia
    @MatsumuriMedia 2 роки тому +1

    Dan, Your videos give me a deeper understanding of complex topics and sooth me into a state of zen relaxation all at once. Your voice is amazing and easy to listen to and your approach to teaching these concepts is incredible. I have learned so much from your channel and I am looking forward to what you teach us next. Thank you so much for all your hard work it is much appreciated.

  • @JimAlfredson
    @JimAlfredson 4 роки тому +53

    Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been telling people (mostly amateur engineers and audiophiles) this stuff for years but this is the first video I've seen that actually illustrates it perfectly with smart examples and incontrovertible proof. High sample rates for the final, consumer delivery format are useless. Even for basic tracking, they don't really matter because the majority of microphones don't pick up much of anything over 18k anyway. The only reason to use them is in mixing and it is far more practical to just use over-sampling rather than record everything at a higher sample rate.
    Dan Worrell is the best.

    • @harrisfrankou2368
      @harrisfrankou2368 3 роки тому

      Yeah I read an interview with one of the engineers that was on the CD team.
      Phillips Sony, there was a Toshiba guy there as well according the interviewee.
      It was fascinating reading.

    • @HardTechnoNL
      @HardTechnoNL 3 роки тому

      Not all plugins have oversampling built in. They generate (fold back) aliasing in the audible frequency area when working on lower sample rates.

  • @jamessweeney6089
    @jamessweeney6089 4 роки тому +171

    dan worrall could probably sell me air if he wanted to

    • @DeanLawrence_ftw
      @DeanLawrence_ftw 4 роки тому +32

      Music is basically just fancy wiggly air

    • @davidnika446
      @davidnika446 4 роки тому +4

      @@DeanLawrence_ftw Now THAT is too funny. And true!

  • @xandde1
    @xandde1 4 роки тому +1

    Amazing! Dan Worrall's videos are incredibly good.

  • @MikeVlcek
    @MikeVlcek 4 роки тому +2

    True masterclass material. Congrats once again, Dan

  • @willibtx
    @willibtx 2 роки тому +8

    This explanation is really incredible. Thank you Fabfilter and Dan Worrall for educating the mixing masses!

  • @rickbiessman6084
    @rickbiessman6084 2 роки тому +68

    Ending a very technical and precise video essay with the punchline "If it sounds good, it is good" is just killer. :D
    Thank you so much Dan for explaining these things. I’m one of those audio guys who know next to nothing about the technical side but feel like I really should know more. Compared to the photography and videography world, us music producers seem to worry little about technical aspects that do play a role (and we tend to know about them even less, especially compared to our camera wielding counterparts). I’ve wondered about why that is.
    I love how well you explain the technical aspects so that even a layman like me can understand most of it, and you approach it with a healthy pragmatism that both the "I only care about the creative side and therefore tech doesn’t matter" as well as the borderline-esotericists miss out on.
    I’ll probably have to revisit the video a few times before I grasp it entirely, but for now: I’ve already learned a lot with a single watch! Cheers!

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick 2 роки тому +2

      my only issue with that saying, is that it used to be Behringer's slogan, and I mean early Behringer when they were REALLY bad haha.

    • @rickbiessman6084
      @rickbiessman6084 2 роки тому

      @@Bthelick Was it? I had no idea :D I only knew their slogan "We Hear You".

    • @Bthelick
      @Bthelick 2 роки тому +2

      @@rickbiessman6084 yup I remember it clearly i worked music retail back in them days.
      In fact the irony of both slogans is palpable.
      by "we hear you" are they referring to how they like to slap people with lawsuits when they are found out how Behringer infringe the copyright / patents of other manufactures I wonder? because they are certainly listening out for that hahah

    • @kierenmoore3236
      @kierenmoore3236 6 місяців тому

      IISGIIG … “The Golden Rule” (read like Andy Samberg from the end of 3-Way … … …)

  • @DDWyss
    @DDWyss 4 роки тому

    Brilliant video! Thanks so much for this one! I had suspected that I might have been experiencing some issues in some of my projects due to using too high a sample rate, but after watching this, I know I am. Now I can go back and fix things with a much better grasp of what's going on!

  • @matijatatomirovic3351
    @matijatatomirovic3351 4 роки тому

    This is the best audio related video ive seen in years. Thank you!

  • @sofam84
    @sofam84 2 роки тому +10

    I am seriously getting goosebumps! I have been trying to figure out why cutting off frequencies above certain values and saturating would interplay in weird ways. I now can at least PARTIALLY understand some of it.

  • @djminddrum
    @djminddrum 4 роки тому +10

    Dan Worrall!

  • @glennlangford5897
    @glennlangford5897 4 роки тому

    excellent, best explanation of these concepts I've come across, thanks so much Dan

  • @LetMeDieLord
    @LetMeDieLord 4 роки тому

    I love you for that Dan!!!! Excellent, brilliant, outstanding!

  • @vicnest
    @vicnest 4 роки тому +6

    Thank you for quality explanations! Hope the 6 files (3 sample rates and OS on/off) could be provided in 44.1kHz 16bit wave format for off-line comparison.

  • @michaelanderwald4179
    @michaelanderwald4179 4 роки тому +9

    After reading and arguing about this stuff on the forums for so long, these videos (especially your latest ones) feel like a big therapeutic release, because all the stuff I've learned by doing a bunch of tests in my home studio are finally put into a form that is tangible and easily shareable.

  • @portendinghonor496
    @portendinghonor496 4 роки тому

    The is the best demo of this problem I've ever seen! Bravo!

  • @guillaumeboyer5473
    @guillaumeboyer5473 4 роки тому

    THis is the best content about those issues i ever saw. Thank you.

  • @KaitavSapreMusic
    @KaitavSapreMusic 4 роки тому +3

    My goodness, what a tutorial! Dan completely grabbed my attention for 30 mins when I thought I am not in a position to watch the entire video. Thanks a lot, FabFilter for the awesome plugins and Dan for the awesome tutorials.

  • @Eleni_Be
    @Eleni_Be 4 роки тому +31

    geez, this is the greatest example of edutainment (in fact, mere education) that I've come across in years.
    so clearly put and illustrated that well it should serve as an obligatory role model for anyone teaching or just having to explain any complex matter.

  • @MarioBuchichio
    @MarioBuchichio 4 роки тому

    This has to be the best and most practical explanation of the subject. Thank you

  • @felicetche
    @felicetche 2 роки тому

    Dan, we love you! Thank you for so much!

  • @johnnyt5054
    @johnnyt5054 3 роки тому +30

    I wasn't bored for a second. This is just phenomenal. As payment for this vast knowledge I shall buy Pro Q3, since the Thanks Giving sale is on!

    • @hithere4289
      @hithere4289 3 роки тому

      ready to put it on linear phase at maximum and max oversampling? :D

  • @raphaelkuttruf
    @raphaelkuttruf 4 роки тому +4

    Reaper 6 dominating the DAW scene xD
    Thanks for the wonderful education!!

  • @amaze2n
    @amaze2n 3 роки тому

    Wow, this is probably the best tutorial I have ever seen on any topic.

  • @nickmarkham3743
    @nickmarkham3743 4 роки тому

    Amazing tutorial on a complicated topic! Bravo, Dan. Bravo Fabfilter. That was fun. :)

  • @MrVadymMykh
    @MrVadymMykh 4 роки тому +6

    When I hear the voice of Dan Worrall, I slap LIKE. Because of EPIC explication. Thank you.

  • @INeedsMoneys
    @INeedsMoneys 4 роки тому +3

    Best video ive seen this year so far

  • @connyolovsson
    @connyolovsson 2 роки тому +2

    Dan is the master! The pedagogical content of these videos is no less than amazing.

  • @atomaalatonal
    @atomaalatonal 4 роки тому

    excellent video on the topics. the best ive seen anywhere tbh. all straight on point

  • @jeff92k7
    @jeff92k7 4 роки тому +18

    Great video and explanation. Matches up with what I've been doing for years.
    I record and edit/mix almost everything at 48kHz. With popular music, the space and processing savings of 48k are noticeable and any harmonic content above 20k is pretty much buried under other instruments anyway. Plus, producing high sample rate content is pointless anyway since pretty much all forms of music compression (size) will bandpass limit the content anyway before applying the lossy compression.
    However, there is still one thing that I record and edit at higher sample rates - that being orchestral music. With typically few microphones (allowing acoustic mixing of the band/orchestra prior to microphone capture), the space and processing savings is unnecessary. There are some instruments that do have harmonics, and even natural energy, above 20k. I find it best to capture and edit at the higher sample rates and then apply bandwidth filters upon final mixdown. This avoids the issue of those frequencies above 20k turning into aliased content in the below 20k range during initial tracking/capture or in the editing stage.

    • @Seekthetruth3000
      @Seekthetruth3000 2 роки тому

      What do you think about recording the sounds of a keyboard through its headphone jack? Thanks.

    • @Shpendulum
      @Shpendulum Місяць тому

      @@Seekthetruth3000What ?

  • @XiyuYang
    @XiyuYang 4 роки тому +6

    If there’s a lot of pitching shifting and tempo change in the project higher sample rate may be beneficial

  • @DDRMR
    @DDRMR 2 роки тому

    So many years in the game.. and this rocks my world and completely explains everything regarding sample rates I've always wanted to know.

  • @Willigrow
    @Willigrow 4 роки тому

    Damn, thanks for taking time to do all of these examples and tests, great stuff!

  • @ToddBeal
    @ToddBeal 4 роки тому +3

    Dan, for years, I have searched for this conclusion. I spent two weeks chasing my tail trying to mix a solo acoustic guitar song: each corrective tweak created more deficiencies than what it solved. No matter what I did to "improve" the mix, it simply sounded like there were both dead spots and artificial bright spots that nothing could fix.
    After watching this video, I tried a 'what-if'. I lowered the DAW session sample rate from 96kHz to 48kHz and made no other adjustments. Immediately, as if someone flicked on the sonic fullness switch, my mix sprang to life. Life will never be the same, thanks to this video. 48 kHz is my new sample rate. If a project calls for a track to make its way into the movie domain, I will simply upsample the 48 kHz master to 96 kHz to meet that format.
    Thank you for this most excellent 'put the sample-rate argument to bed' video. Keep up the good work!

    • @petrparizek9945
      @petrparizek9945 2 роки тому +1

      I'm sorry to say this with a delay of one full year. But are you aware that if you resample anything from 48 kHz to 96 kHz, the only thing you get is your files taking up twice the space they originally took, without any improvement in
      sound quality whatsoever?

  • @abrotherinchrist
    @abrotherinchrist 4 роки тому +11

    I love these rabbit holes what take you right back where you started, but with more knowledge of why your are good where you're at. I could hear the difference between all the sample rates/oversampling combos. I think I've concluded that for my uses, mixing in 48kHz with oversampling where possible will do juuuuust fine. I'm actually considering getting Saturn now, but I'm not sure I need it with the other saturation plugins I have. I haven't even looked to see if they have oversampling. Mixing is one of those things where you can easily get lost in the details.

  • @trancodingertranscodinger387
    @trancodingertranscodinger387 4 роки тому

    Great info. And so well explained. Thank you. More please!

  • @buhlir
    @buhlir Рік тому +1

    Incredibly informative! thank you so much for all your hard work!

  • @squidcaps4308
    @squidcaps4308 4 роки тому +18

    Aligns with my own experiences and lessons over the years: bandpass everything, all audio is bandpassed at some stage anyway so you better do it.. before it is too late and the signal encounters something that can't cope with its demands. Distortion and heat will be the result of that and you will get degraded audio signal.
    Also: Hi-res record releases are not meant for consumer consumption, you once again have to deal with bandpassing the signal before it hits your speaker. The end result is intermodulation distortion in the analog chain too. Most of it will be turned to heat but it is never a good idea to push too wide of a sausage thru a too small hole... A good speaker has ultra- and infrasonic filtering but one of the principles i have picked out is that it is far better to cut the signal before amplification than after. If for nothing else, components are smaller and the circuit design can be considerably better.

    • @Rhuggins
      @Rhuggins 2 роки тому +2

      I hope one day to be as wise as you 🙏🏽

    • @JohnnyNatrium
      @JohnnyNatrium 2 роки тому

      About these high res 'record' releases (I'm assuming digitized recordings of analog master tape playback then of course, just stating this because in common parlance the term record is often read as synonymous with vinyl plate prints); To deny that they are *meant* for consumer consumption (as opposed to what consumption?) is simply contrarian. You know about these releases, so you must know that their resellers have a consumer demographic.
      I consume, as a consumer - which includes every producer because none of us only uses music materials for work aka in your terms "producer production": just to source, process, stock etc. - I consume hi-res consumer content recreationally, like the vast majority of their target demographics. And I'm not sure if you're simply generalizing a part of this market, or if you're making a case against the release of hi-res digitizations of any music source material, for any recreational consumers.
      Certainly when taking what you're saying literally, that is what you are doing; but of course communication is too complex to know for sure. In any case, consider the consumption of hi-res releases, by a consumer who bit-streams it to a high quality digital-to-analog converter, going into an analog (pre)amplifier which easily handles the output signal of the aforementioned converter, ending up, in any circumstance which assumes no use of destructive ignorent elements in the signal chain between, playing back through high quality speakers or headphones.
      What about this is 'not meant' to be?

  • @nikbivation
    @nikbivation 4 роки тому +5

    First time I upvote every voted comment I see. The video is that good!

  • @Tazmanian_Ninja
    @Tazmanian_Ninja 4 роки тому +1

    Again you guys have done yet another video that's lightyears ahead of the rest, explaining a complex subject in clear way that doesn't dumb it down too much.

  • @jules7168
    @jules7168 4 роки тому

    Thank you so much. Very well put together. The perfect tutorial.

  • @flexprog3374
    @flexprog3374 4 роки тому +13

    So much useful stuff in just one video, it's unbelievable :
    - Understanding why digital saturation/compression doesn't sounds right compared to analog stuff (i.e. guitar amps for example)
    - What is aliasing, with clear examples
    - Which effects are concerned and you need to oversample, with audible comparisons
    - Advice on what to do for the best quality without destroying your CPU
    - The incredible custom guitar chain with EQ for the cab, then 3 stages of saturation for the amp. I HAVE to use this !
    - At the end of the day, technical stuff or not, if it sounds good it IS good. Maybe the best advice of this video.
    Thank you so much Dan Worrall, for this free valuable resource.

  • @ethnicalbert
    @ethnicalbert 2 роки тому +7

    The point of higher sample rates in my industry is so that you can pitch audio down without losing all high frequencies. Its VERY important for sound design

  • @blueleafstudio
    @blueleafstudio 4 місяці тому

    Fantastic video. By far the most informative and well presented I've seen on the subject. Cheers!

  • @neur303
    @neur303 4 роки тому

    Very very nice examples! Thanks for teaching, Dan!

  • @Someone89a
    @Someone89a 2 роки тому +5

    The aliasing on that synth patch actually sounded good to me. Then again, I listen to a lot of autechre haha

    • @172Break
      @172Break 2 роки тому +1

      And people pay a lot of money for MPC60s and EMU SP1200s......

  • @BBDRecordsStudio
    @BBDRecordsStudio 4 роки тому +110

    Please make a Masterclass Dan !!!!

    • @MichaelCosta_
      @MichaelCosta_ 4 роки тому +24

      That was a masterclass!

    • @BBDRecordsStudio
      @BBDRecordsStudio 4 роки тому +6

      It was indees ! But I’m referring to a complete mixing course or masterclass.

    • @TazzSmk
      @TazzSmk 4 роки тому +1

      Dan has own UA-cam channel and started being more active recently, keep an eye on it ;)

    • @BBDRecordsStudio
      @BBDRecordsStudio 4 роки тому +1

      TzzSmk watched all his videos on his channel😅

    • @jasonzdora
      @jasonzdora 4 роки тому

      @@BBDRecordsStudio Whats the name of his channel? Definitely interested!

  • @pigknickers2975
    @pigknickers2975 4 роки тому

    Mind blown. That was really interesting. Thanks - great company!

  • @onebluenineTV
    @onebluenineTV 16 днів тому +1

    Converter design legend, Dan Lavry, wrote a white paper over a decade ago integrating his explanation of this issue with a somewhat math-heavy explanation of the Nyquist-Shannon Sampling Theorem. But I suspect this excellent vid from DW will reach more people and leave less head-scratching among those of us who didn't absorb much trigonometry in school.

  • @simonslee73
    @simonslee73 4 роки тому +5

    Amazing video! Could you also do the same video for resolution as that has the same myths. So many DAWs support 32bit floating now but so many still use 24bit. Would be great to know the math behind this as well.

    • @ncshuriken
      @ncshuriken 4 роки тому +1

      My leaked experimental version of Ableton 13 supports 64bit flying point audio which it isn't even possible to record at yet, except on the prototype interface I stole from MI5's top secret recording studio (2 miles below London underground) when the guards were distracted by a girly mag I threw on the floor, so I'll see y'all later!

    • @njleeusa4035
      @njleeusa4035 3 роки тому

      @@ncshuriken Reaper records in 64 bit FP

    • @JoeStuffzAlt
      @JoeStuffzAlt Рік тому +1

      CPUs might actually handle 32-bit float better than 24-bit int depending on the algorithm. 24-bit actually has a ton of information, you probably won't hear it the difference, but I would not say the word "always" when it comes to computers
      There's a good chance some DAWs will store 24-bit samples as 32-bit integers since CPUs handling 32-bit data better than 24-bit, plus it would increase mixing quality

  • @tcb6771
    @tcb6771 4 роки тому +3

    I never considered that high samplerate may result more IMD and lower sound quality.Thank you FF and Dan Worral

  • @Anteflop
    @Anteflop 4 роки тому

    Super informative. Excellent resource and definitely demystifies plugin oversampling. A+ will watch again.

  • @4m_Audio
    @4m_Audio 2 роки тому

    Fabfilter, yall literally make the best, most informational, deep yet approachable videos of anyone in the game! this stuff is the deep magic in the days of digital audio

  • @pellefri
    @pellefri 4 роки тому +6

    Thanks for a fantastic video Dan Worrall!!
    I have been skeptical if the the higher samplingrates made any bigger difference. When using 96 and resampling down to 44.1, I never heard a better result than going from 48 to 44,1. Now I can stop wondering and just stick to 48k with a great explanation and relief :-)

    • @JohnnyNatrium
      @JohnnyNatrium 2 роки тому

      This video demonstrated that you will hear a difference, assuming you apply digital processing of the signal to a common degree. What did you think the point was of him advocating the use of functions which use 8x the project sample rate, featured in the distortion plugins??
      It just also demonstrated that you're better off using higher sample rates on a per-process/plugin basis, to avoid using resources on processes which cannot benefit from it (meaning not setting your entire project sample rate, based on the highest denominator which is your most aliasing-prone plugin(s) because it affects the CPU power needed for everything which doesn't audibly affect the signal as well. This has always been the case in out-of-the-box processing, because every analog signal processor, such as the type of distortions he's emulating here, was already 'upsampled' separately, by way of being an analog process, while the drum machine that the band used, was not unnecessarily digitally upsampled at the source, or at any digital point in the chain that didn't benefit from upsampling. But you will certainly hear the difference when you apply a digital process that aims to recreate the type of analog warmth that these distortion DSPs are doing. He's literally explained to you that you want very high sample rates for that type of processing, just that it's handy to have this function available and contained within each plugin, which in effect is just a way of getting closer to the way out-of-the-box mixing and mastering is done, assuming the inclusion of analog gear, which is virtually any music that isn't chiptunes.

    • @pellefri
      @pellefri 2 роки тому

      @@JohnnyNatrium Thanks for your reply Johnny. I got it and that was exactly my point. Using plugins upsampling.. and not considering the AD/DA when using outboard or recording audio:-)

  • @HolgerH1967
    @HolgerH1967 4 роки тому +9

    Fantastic explanations - as usual from Dan Worrall. I have to admit, I don't hear a difference in the 44.1 vs 48 oversampling example, so I'm fully onboard with his conclusion: I won't stress about it ;) At least I know now why plugins have an oversampling button. Big thanks!

  • @sINGLE_hANDED
    @sINGLE_hANDED 10 місяців тому

    Gorgeous video! So clear and informative! Thanks Dan!

  • @KarimLeMec
    @KarimLeMec 4 роки тому +1

    THIS EXPLANATIONS ARE GOLD!!! Thx for sharing.