Stop Making The Same Mistakes! - Judging Your Sim Racing Incidents
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Now THIS is the best part of sim racing. The ability to go for a nonexistent gap and escape with only a bruised ego
Exactly, a bruised ego😂😂
And a dislocated shoulder for our direct drive brethren
"If gap, car"
If you no longer go for a gap that no longer exists you are no longer a racedriver -Mahaveer Ragunathan
"if you no longer..." you are not a bus driver*
If you see someone off the track it's always safest to assume they have suffered a temporary brain drain and be very very cautious.
brain drain. man this is the nicest way to describe it without being too offensive :D
i always stay as far away as possible when people are re-entering/recently re-entered the track because of a this lol
I find it insane the pit lane double overtake was literally exactly the same as real life. You have to wonder if the driver remembered that moment from real life or came up with it on the spot
I'm the guy so I am
I did
my man did a Vettel
@@breegefinnegan7513 NO WAY THE REAL SEBASTIAN VETTEL FROM F1, Perfect move, boss!
@@breegefinnegan7513 BUT HERE COMES SEBASTIAN VETTEL
The pit entry overtake is in fact a carbon copy of real life move that Sebastian Vettel made in 2016. It was not only deemed legal, it was included in a "Top 10 moments of brilliance" video
Brilliant that he replicated it on the same track as well
Thank you I'm the guy who did it
@@breegefinnegan7513 Did the penalty have anything to do with overtaking under yellow flags? Cause I believe the yellows were still in effect
@@steezydan8543 but yellow, at least in F1, normally means "no overtaking".
@@tharealmb also it was double-waved-yellow. so any overtaking or risk is forbidden. at least irl.
appreciate the sentiment of using your brain to avoid crashes even when you are 0% at fault for them.
Some people just really enjoy the feeling of not having been at fault while upside down in the gravel trap
Agreed. It takes a special kind of stupid to drive the track normally when you can see there is an idiot ahead who cant control their own dribble never mind their car
that what motorcyclists do every day. Cant argue if i had the right of way if i dont survive
Definitely. That last one - my first thought was, "why is he hugging the corner with a guy off on the inside?" Clearly you are going to get taken out and just expecting him to stop and wait for you to go by or to remain skittering along in the grass so you can clear (even if it is what should be done) is not going to happen and you can see him turning in toward you! People sometimes would rather be right and out of the race than be inconvenienced by a bad move from someone else. Perhaps they need to actually get behind the wheel in a race where the stakes are higher and you can't just reset and start over. Being right and dead doesn't really mean much.. you know... when you're the one that's dead...
I doubt brains can cushion crashes.
First crash is on the 77. He knows the guy's down there, yes he shouldn't have gotten his left sides over the yellow line (which is probably not even being enforced in this game) but the 77 clearly comes down and doors him to spin him out.
Yes. #77 was weaving all over the place like a drunk driver and already took someone else out.
If you rewatch look at the car in front of the 77, the 4 car. He is also moving down thus forcing the 77 down, thus causing him to get into the camera car. It was kind of a chain reaction and unless someone backed out, a crash was inevitable. The 4 car moves down 1.5 car widths and so does the 77.
@@brandonduellmanracing 4 Car was ahead of the 77 though, the 77 had no obligation to move with him. I don't think the 77 meant to sideswipe the cam car, as it can get chaotic in online heat races, but it is still definitely on the 77.
@@brandonduellmanracing Even the act of backing out on a plate track can cause a crash. The 77 however had the safest out of all the drivers and didn't use any of them.
yea, driver was forced under the yellow, wasn't going there intentionally.
4:02 At the moment of the contact you are right Jimmy. The outside person turned in to early or was to much on the inside BUT the cam car was way to fast to hold the line and would have smashed the outside driver anyway i guess. So Yes the driver of the cam car didn´t cause the collision here, but he would have caused it, if the other person turned in correctly. Don´t dive :D
Agreed. He really dove in there at an angle that was hardly on at that speed. The BWT car may have turned in slightly early, but in my opinion was just caught off guard by the dive to begin with and did his best to give space. This might be the first time I've disagreed with Jimmer! He knows his racing.
jup
The outside car did not turn in early, that's the line for that track, it's a cut back corner meaning you brake early, hold speed, then cut back for the exit. That's the racing line for that corner.
Reminiscent of the most recent clash between Lewis and Max tbh, and accordingly the stewards placed the fault largely on Max.
@@Delimon007 It is, IF there is no other car.
Police car: Doesn't brake for corner, uses opponent to stop himself, sends opponent into the dirt.
Jimmy: Definitely the other guy's fault.
Me: *Visible confusion*
That is not what happened though.
The police car was safely up on the inside AND leading. The police car was following the corner fine as well.
Then the BWT bumped the rear of the police car which sent it in another direction and yeeted the BWT off.
That is clearly police car's fault. The police car understeered and sent BWT into the barriers, kinda like hamilton and verstappen on silverstone.
Jimmy's takes on these incidents are genuinely bad most of the time and he races as dirty as a lot of the people featured on these all the time lmao
@@monkas3420 police car is on the racing line, bwt turned in after the police car got in front. Police car is on the inside line and can not avoid contact as the bwt is turning in from the out side late. Btw is at fault.
@@RyanWu-bk3meWhat??? Bwt did everything right. Its just the police car forgetting to brake and using bwt to make the corner
Jimmy please make a troll version of this for April Fools - just gaslight everyone
that would be awesome
"Sometimes it's just about survival" - Never a truer word has been spoken.
"If theres not a reg saying something and you go and do the thing, then it has to be legal for that race"
*cue Ross chastain*
lmao perfect example
EXACTLY 😂
14:21 - Synchronizing Jimmy's "stuttering" ("uncertainty"? I don't know how to call it) to Skinner was fucking genius. Kudos to the editor.
8:00 the pit lane isn’t under saftey car conditions so technically u can overtake in the pit lane which includes pit entry
The police car at 3:10 was carrying way too much speed and pushed the other car off the track
Yeah, if the BWT wasn’t there to slow them down, I don’t think the police car would have even stayed on the track. And if it does slow down enough then it would have been parked on the outside exit of the turn and the best case for the BWT would have been to not turn in and end up parked right next to the them.
Glad to see I’m not the only one with this opinion
Yeah I watched this back after the video uploaded and wondered why I blamed the other guy lmao
@@Jimmy_Broadbent saaame jimmer, police guy was in his blind spot and sometimes the spotter doesnt tell you, you have someone on the right if the other driver isnt side by side.
Is this not what also happens in the incident at 15:05?
Was not expecting the Paramore excerpt at the start. Such a pleasant surprise! ❤
7:42 Gigachad Vettel Move
Thank you
I'm the guy who did it
The throttle house clip in the intro is one of my all time favorites! The "get in" helmet for the i8 lmao
glad to see another throttle house enjoyer
I wonder if Thomas and "I'M JAMES" watch Jimmer
Little caveat with the double yellow line rule on ovals: Going below the double yellow line is not allowed only on super speedways (Daytona, Talladega and I believe Atlanta now) All other tracks it is fine. As that first clip was taken place at Daytona, the line rule is in place even if it’s not technically enforced in that game.
That ain't Daytona that's Talladega
@@easiazyy That it is lol. I literally just woke up about 5 minutes before I commented that so I wasn’t as worried about the track, only the ruling
Police car was blowing the apex by a country mile, 100% on them. That's a divebomb. A well scripted divebomb that the pink car should have seen coming, but a divebomb.
10:03 sussy amogus!!! 😳
4:11 I dont really agree with Jimbo on the analysis here. The lambo was going off the track anyways if the mclaren didn't hit him. The lambo was already going way wide before he had even hit the apex (look at the rubber wear on the track). I do agree that the mclaren was overly ambitions with his move and should have just gone for the switchback, but the lambo going off was going to happen anyways.
I disagree with your verdict. The lambo was going VERY wide but judging by the angle it was pointing at just before contact, it would've been able to remain on track.
With regards to the NASCAR clip at the beginning, you’re not allowed to go beneath the double yellow line and advance your position. Since the pov car in the video didn’t advance his position, what he did isn’t illegal and the other car is at fault for the incident.
Now that’s not to say that going below the yellow line isn’t a dumb idea, as a general rule it is and is likely to cause a wreck, but in this instance it didn’t cause this wreck.
Also that’s NASCAR Heat 5, not Ignition lol
I thought the same thing. The way the driver went below the double yellow line, he would have been spinning a moment later. But the opponent had no reason to come down and block. Had he stayed up the track he would have been safe anyway. Pretty dumb reason to get penalized, blocking a car wrecking itself lol
Even with a car in front of him, the one who came down on the pov car he couldve stayed higher.
@@JReaLBiz86 Considering the wonky physics of that particular game (NASCAR Heat 5) I’m not sure he would have spun out. Either way, there was no reason to come down on him.
Most NASCAR and Oval leagues wouldn’t penalize what the blocking car did, however. While he’s definitely at fault, rubbin’s racing.
Lmao, much love to the editor for that Seymour/Stemed hams bit. Gold.
I wish there was more consistency with the officiating of F1 divebombs into corners. The attitude of "either you avoid me or we both crash" does little for me as a racing fan.
@@kaporezim that's not true though. It's too simplistic.
@@kaporezim or they are only important when comes to explaining away past decisions. Like a non-active suspension part being banned as a moveable aero device.
Your videos got me more serious about sim racing, then this series pointed me to the sub where it's an endless wealth of knowledge. The ability to learn from footage and communal critique is really powerful and makes all of us better on track :3 GG's to all.
Hot tip: If you yell at someone for being bad on chat and keep that in the screen capture, it makes you look like a knob regardless of how bad the other person actually is at driving. We all started out bad.
Disagree on the Mclaren/Lambo incident. The Lambo completely misses the corner, how can the mclaren be at fault.
I love this series! Jokes and learning race craft. ❤
PLEASE Sort by top for the month and make this a monthly series! It's right beside hot and new
My man in the McLaren literally did a Sebastian Vettel. Regardless of whether it was legal or not it's still a 5000 IQ move IRL and in the sim.
I really appreciate these videos. Definitely learning from these on the rules of racing. Thanks Jimmer
Jimmy and Paramore were not on my crossovers list but Im glad it happened
By far some of the best content on UA-cam thank you for this series Jimmy
18:05 - It amazes me how few people online seem to understand this. Everyone focusses on the driver they were racing against and how it's their fault but that's irrelevant. Could you have avoided it? If the answer is "yes" then you screwed up as well.
There are hundreds of videos on Reddit of people getting taken out by a car re-entering the track dangerously but there is always loads of space they could have used where they'd have been safe. Instead they take the racing line and expect the guy who went off and is sawing away at the wheel to avoid spinning to check their mirrors and safely re-enter the track. 95% of people racing online aren't going to do that - they'll try and re-gain control of the car and will get back on track as soon as they can. Expect it and don't get taken out.
That last formula Vee sums up 90% of the people moaning at crashing in sim racing...(forget how the guy went off went off in the first place, that's not very common):
People are unwilling to react to an unfolding situation that they will definitely lose time in, but remain in the race...but rather just stick to their line and then complain like a 9 year old about it.
Had the same last week when I was taken out in F4 Spa, all wheels off my car and obviously had no braking. Some other guy comes to the scene of the accident a good 5 seconds later and drives clean into me...blaming me for the accident. Him not slowing down at all in the yellow flag or me having no wheels whatsoever seemed of no issue to him 🤣🤣🤣
Typical
I have a ton of time playing Forza online and I agree with the "avoid people coming back on the track to survive" also I have also made the mistake of joining back in front of someone by accident from not expecting them to be that close 🤦♂
"Driver" always applies to first driver perspective used in replay.
1. Driver needs to keep it on the banking. Opponent needs to realize a car is to the inside. Driver probably would have spun anyway, no need to block. Double fail. Opponent penalty.
2. Driver lunges and isn't holding line through the corner. Opponent gives room. Doesn't expect driver to take straight line off apex. Driver was hardly going to make the corner. Driver fail. Driver penalty for avoidable contact.
3. Driver takes outside line not expecting the straight line off apex. Opponent essentially misses the corner then stops in front of driver. Driver has no time to react to opponent's missed corner. Opponent fail for bad block pass. No further investigation.
4. Opponent 1 lunges corner. Opponent 2 is making normal corner not expecting lunge. Opponent 1 fail. Opponent 1 penalty for avoidable contact.
5. Race control told driver to make a pass, and opponents were slow entering pit lane. Driver passes under caution, but opponents did not maintain pace speed. Driver high IQ moment. No further investigation.
6. Ferrari opponent leaves racing surface, re-enters in an unsafe manner. Opponent fail. Opponent penalty. Driver should be mindful of incidents happening in front of him and leave ample space in the future.
7. Driver concedes the corner for the crossover. Opponent takes corner safely. Driver misjudges exit and makes contact with opponent. Driver fail. Driver penalty for avoidable contact, served as grid spot penalty next round due to both drivers retiring from race.
8. Driver takes wide entry to corner, leaves racing room for opponent. Maintains wide angle through corner. Upon corner exit, driver begins aiming at exit point, as does opponent. Contact seems incidental. No further investigation.
9. Driver and opponent turn in for fast uphill s-turn. Driver does not leave racing room for opponent who is clearly alongside. Driver fail. Contact seems incidental. No further investigation. Driver served warning.
10. Driver begins entry to corner. Opponent dives the corner. Driver should have known opponent was to his inside and left room, yet opponent makes unsafe overtaking maneuver. Double fail. Driver penalty due to avoidable contact. Opponent warning for unsafe overtaking maneuver.
11. Opponent leaves racing surface. Re-enters track in an unsafe manner, making contact with driver. Opponent fail. Opponent penalty. Driver should be mindful of incidents happening in front of him and leave ample space in the future.
I'm curious about Jimmy's and everyone else's opinions on F1's "rules of engagement" and things like the incidents that happened at the Brazilian Grand Prix. Because 1, I think the new rules are a bit weird expecially if you're trying to increase overtaking, and 2 it seems like nothing is classified as a racing incident anymore, it's always one driver or the other's fault and seems to always result in a penalty.
Also does anyone else agree that the race directors should be looked at because they both always seemed a bit hesitant to decide anything, expecially with things like safety cars.
@@DH_Builds I definitely agree with your SC take. For example in Japan after Sainz crashed they waited the whole big field to pass the accident site. I don't understand. Just why?
They make the overtaking rules more specific every year and it only serves to make them harder to apply to complicated real life situations. Can we not just go back to no weaving in the braking zones and if a car is alongside in any way, shape or form you must leave racing room? If visibility is the problem then insist on bigger mirrors and more visible reference points for things like the front wing in the design rules. I mean, come on, you can bend theoretical fluid dynamics to your whim at 200mph but you can't figure out how to make it easier for drivers to see what's going on around them?
@@DjDolHaus86 exactly my take too, if a car is alongside them with more than the front wheel to rear wheel then you have to leave room, that's how almost every other sport is and how every sim league exists too, yet for some reason it's completely allowed to shove your opponent off track???? If it's a lunge and they shouldn't be there then a penalty of the overtaker, if the defender drives to the outside while your there, penalty to the defender..
I don't understand the logic of this at all, where does a racing incident, the guy getting shoved off and the guy doing the shoving, which one actually gets a penalty?? Why make it so confusing
13:36 liked the little mighty car mods clip 🇦🇺😂
This might be one of the best bits of content you do Jimmy. Keep it up!
You get a like for the 2 second Paramore intro alone Jimbo
Same
As for the first clip, I race nascar for the most part and as soon as you go below the yellow its up to you to rejoin safely and nobody has to let you back on.
High light of my day when u bang up another one of these vids!! Cheers lad
Definitely my favorite series on this channel.
the level of detail at 12:43 that the track is Zandvoort and the emergency SUV says "brandweer" which is "fire department" in Dutch, and it even has the actual colours of the fire department. Nice one there
17:51 Jimmy has a perfect point..driving trough the corner as nothing happening arround you..ya got to show others that you are aware of them so thou can follow the same pattern..
14:21 editor chan taking the piss out of Jimmy😆
Yes! My favorite Jimmy Broadbent video series!
5:10 i completely disagree. The McLaren was already doing what you said they shouldve done from what i can see and the only other places the McLaren coukdve gone was further pushing the lambo or the gravel trap.
You've got to be the best steward. We love you lots jimmy and keep up the great work 😘.
Man I love these kind of videos!
Love to see the classic Throttle House "helmet knock" against the i8 in the intro (0:06)
Hilarious content that simultaneously makes me a better simmer.
Jimmy, can I just say I started watching a few days ago and I already love you
Love this series. If you ask me, you should do this every week at least
Nice video Jimmy, love the content keep it up!
Learned alot again thank you Jimmy!
So good. Love these videos!
loved the video and the song at the end the most!
Thank you for another great video Jimmy. I had to pause it and go make a cup of tea 😊 nice one
Not illegal to go under the double yellow line on the Superspeedways unless you advance your position. On all other tracks it's legal. Excluding road course track limits of course.
I could watch this for hours!
Regarding the first clip; The double yellow rule is only really used for restrictor plate races (which this one is), and is mainly enforced when a driver goes below the double yellow to gain positions. There are some caveats to the rule such as being forced below and whatnot as well.
In this situation, the 88 didn't really benefit by going below the double yellow, and it was very subtle if at all, so it most likely wouldn't be penalized in an actual race. Besides, going below the yellow in the corner is self policing, being that it will most likely hurt you and will essentially never make any substantial benefit.
IMO it's all on the 77, though I think it is just a byproduct of NASCAR Heat online superspeedway insanity.
Random James with his get-in-helmet in the intro, awesome :D
I love this series!
You are one of the bestest happy ending stories in the sense of people deserving to fulfil their dreams. At least from your public appearance
Why has it taken me this long to realise how ridiculous eau rouge and radillon is the way that the video zoomed in on that it hit me that the corner is so crazy
0:19 thank u editor, u are legend.
Very good series. Smashing idea a good content
Hmm... even after watching it a few times, I completely disagree with the Lambo McLaren incident. :) First of all, I don't think changing your line in the middle of a turn like the Lambo did is a legit move. And second, that McLaren was in the middle of trailbraking into a hairpin - what the heck was he supposed to do? He is certainly allowed to be somewhat late on the brakes, while staying on his line and also not getting into anybody's way. So... how could this one possibly be on him?
I agree with you. I believe if racing stewards were to review this there would be no further action necessary, since the Lambo essentially took himself out. Blocking is one thing, but the McLaren was taking a wide angle (in the marbles) to leave room and the Lambo just blew the corner.
Say the Lambo misses the apex wide but actually TURNS, and holds his left rear at the McLaren's right front. At that point, any contact made is the fault of the McLaren since he has ample time to get slowed down, turn, and try a crossover.
Here, the McLaren had absolutely no time to react and the Lambo just parked it in front of him. Off the racing line. It's actually the Lambo's fault, and stewards would just shrug it off since the Lambo ended up spun into oblivion anyway.
I agree I think with the braking into the corner he couldn’t have braked more at that point and the lambo completely pulls into his line and parks. There’s not enough time or predictability to react to that movement
It was 100% on the McLaren. The Lambo was ahead and it's up to the McLaren to avoid him, regardless of line and speed. The McLaren made a bad choice to stay wide and didn't react to a slower Lambo. It's on the McLaren.
@@JReaLBiz86 The McLaren had ample time to react, but choose to stick to his plan and continue with the wide line like the Lambo wasn't there. This one is definitely on the McLaren.
@@Alan-ww8vi After watching it again, the McLaren did have time to get slowed down and take the apex. You can tell the Lambo is about to miss that corner.
We are viewing from outside the car, I'm not sure how clear that would have been from an in-car view.
Both were boneheaded. The McLaren was off his brakes early committed to the outside move without seeing where his opponent was, and the Lambo -- let's be honest -- missed the corner, and was stopping so he didn't exit stage left lol
I still feel stewards wouldn't penalize the McLaren too harshly for how bad a move the Lambo made. His corner or not, he missed the turn and impeded the path of a car intending to avoid him. The McLaren should have still been on his brakes tho, since the Lambo was going straight.
I'm sure that Lambo driver would be getting a stern talking to by the stewards after the race too lol
I just love the mentality of.. "I saw you coming into me, so I'm right and I'll do nothing to avoid contact, because I'm right, you are wrong".
wasn't expecting such an amazing use of steamed hams, you even lip synced it!
U hav to predict what the other racecar is going to do in s split second decision . It's not easy but we keep coming back for more because we love it . . .
The Paramore opening caught me off guard, BUT I LOVE IT
10:04 Jimmy’s scream of horror is relatable
These vids are my favorites
At 15:20
Looks like we see alot of Vestappen move from Abu Dabi in racing game end up getting yeeted by the opponent they trying to over take.
The risk in this move is that your in a blind eye of the oppenent (Which is perfect for countering their defensive move) which is the opponent is unaware of your possition so there's a certine 50/50 situation of incident with this level of move which is not advisable to use this Vestappen tactic he use.
Really enjoyed this video!
In the Mercedes vs. Audi one, it almost looked like the Merc's controller disconnected at the exit of the turn. He's turning smooth, doing right, then just straight-lines it into the Audi.
Loving these companies giving us more options been a long time coming.
❤
8:32 - Isn't there a safety car so technically he over took under a safety car, thus the penalty??
I would agree, except he is notified to pass a specific car under caution. Also, the 2 cars ahead of him in pit lane do not seem to maintain proper pacing speed. In most rule sets, cars that can't maintain pacing speed are subject to overtakes.
It's extremely marginal, but I don't think this driver is in the wrong for the move.
There was also a sc when vettel did it.
No i don’t think so the regulations in real life say the pit lane is not under safety car conditions they might of changed now but that’s what I understand
on the first one you are allowed in nascar to go down below the yellow line if you are forced into it.
18:05 agree 100%, the car on the grass is at fault. But you need to anticipate the rejoin and take a wider line to avoid disaster
12:54 i got the feeling the Ginetta on the inside line was subconsciously adjusting his line to ensure he missed that barrier on the inside of the corner.
For the box case one, I think the guy on the right is nowhere near to giving enough space, he has a lot of room, however he starts driving the guy on the left onto the kerb.
the top down lunge one is so hard because the FIA would use the data from the car to determine if the driver was braking or not because if they weren't it would have been on them
The racing version of AITA
That opening NASCAR clip was Heat 5
Love these vids
7:28 is the only part of video where the game has to confirm to FIA and Drivers assoc wherever is allowed or not
but since someone in reddit has asked on that situation. here's the answer
39.8 With the exception of the cases listed under a) to h) below, no driver may overtake another car on the track, including the safety car, until he passes the first safety car line for the first time when the safety car is returning to the pits. However, if the safety car is still deployed at the beginning of the last lap, or is deployed during the last lap, Article 39.15 will apply.
The exceptions are:
f) Whilst in the pit entry, pit lane or pit exit a driver may overtake another car which is also in one of these three areas.
(update)
from the latest regulation (2021). here's the one
section 48. Safety car
48.8 With the exception of the cases listed under a) to h) below, no driver may overtake another car
on the track, including the safety car, until he passes the Line (see Article 5.3) for the first time
after the safety car has returned to the pits.
The exceptions are:
a) If a driver is signalled to do so from the safety car.
b) Under Articles 36.15 41.1c), or 3948.12, 51.6 and 51.12 below.
c) When entering the pits a driver may pass another car remaining on the track, including
the safety car, after he has reached the first safety car line.
d) When leaving the pits a driver may overtake, or be overtaken by, another car on the track
before he reaches the second safety car line.
e) When the safety car is returning to the pits it may be overtaken by cars on the track once
it has reached the first safety car line.
f) Whilst in the pit entry, pit lane or pit exit a driver may overtake another car which is also
in one of these three areas . (This is the reference if jimmy ask)
g) Any car stopping in its designated garage area whilst the safety car is using the pit lane
(see Article 3948.11 below) may be overtaken.
h) If any car slows with an obvious problem.
to answer wherever is legal or not. IT IS LEGAL
It's incredible how I disagree with Jimmy 90% of times... still love watching these lol love you jimmeroni
Best piece of f1 radio when alonso passes masa in the way in to the pits
0:48 - that scared the shit out of me, ffs
08:36 I need to know more about the lore of Jimbo vs. PCars
Fucking amazing move from the guy who did a Vettel in the pitlane, A+ driving skill
Thank you I am the guy who did it
that "RIP project cars" was an emotional second
12:34 I would say he dropped the steering so he doesn't clip the barrier, which would have arguably made the incident much worse.
You had me at the Paramore crossover
That intro was fire "This is why I don't leave the house" song by Paramore This is why
A Paramore intro is not what I was expecting but goddamn did I need it