In all honesty, they have zero incentive to do so. They produce these things in small batches and by the time the second batch would be ready the the factory doing the work would've already retooled themselves to produce something else. At that point you can re-retool for the original design or you can just retool for a new design and the cost would be exactly the same. And when you put out a half a dozen designs every year (and each one takes the better part of a year to ship) it becomes pointless to support all of them. On top of that, you make money off of hardware sales, not software, so supporting one device long term makes little sense. Keep in mind, I'm not defending them, it's actually pretty shitty, but that's what's going on behind the scenes.
Aya, GPD, AKZ, and so on with higher ends products are truly niche to me. Then again, sometimes you come across a random sale of them on FB and I try to snag them as low as possible lmao
The reason I got a Steam Deck is simple, I know the support will be there for whatever I want to do with it, both from Valve themselves and third party.
I love that even hardcore PC people are evangelizing for the Steam Deck when it's basically a console, it's all plug and play, and if you want to do more you can. And as you said a huge part of that is a full time support team.
@@anderssorenson9998 There's reasons behind why a lot of PC users don't go for a console instead, and those same reasons are also why they praise the Steam Deck. What a lot of hardcore PC users will tell you that they love about the PC is the openness of it. You're free to choose whatever OS you want, you get to modify in-game settings to your liking, you can conveniently replace any piece of hardware to your liking, you don't have to worry as much about DRM issues, etc. Much of that same openness can also be seen in the Steam Deck. While not a carbon copy of the PC, the Steam Deck still does a good job of replicating the open experience that PC users are looking for.
Not going to lie, when price was brought up, the first number that came to mind was $700. The fact that if was $400 on top of that either means that what I was expecting or what THEY were expecting was WAAAAAYYY out of spec.
The problem is their entry-level unit at like £1200 is basically in direct competition with the ASUS ROG Ally X at £799. It only really makes sense for the extra RAM, but unfortunately it's locked to storage. £1800 for the 64GB 4TB model is mad.
That awkward moment when Maccies mostly use cardboard and bioplastic recyclable toys since 2020… Also you mean ABS. The plastic is ABS and is commonly used in a lot of stuff. Unless you mean it looks like bioplastic which it really doesn’t. Also that plastic has a low glass point so not advisable you use it for computers. I mean what do you expect? A metal case? I mean have goes for real reasons such as Aneyos track record with handhelds and the fact they release a new one every Tuesday morning. Just seems weird to attack it for being plastic. It’s a handheld not a smartphone. It doesn’t need a glass back and titanium bezel. Never buy a PC it will shock you how much plastic is in a PC, mouse, keyboard and display.
@@razerow3391 It's not about it being plastic per se, but the fact that it aesthetically resembles a 2000s console with creaky, brittle plastic and a silver finish that'll peel off within months. Pretty much all modern handhelds are covered in plastic, but they don't look this dated and cheap.
The only way this color can look nice is if the case was out of aluminum like with some laptops. But for a handheld of this size, that would make it too heavy.
~$600 can buy you one hell of a power bank. Hell, you can buy a 20k mAh power bank for $35 that weighs 360g. So with a Steam Deck OLED, you're still saving $550, getting a better screen, better ecosystem, more total power capacity, and your total carry weight is only 50g higher
All this competition in the handheld space is great, but each one makes me appreciate the Steamdeck that much more. Sure, the Legion Go and Ayaneo are more powerful, but not by that much. The Steam deck is just superb at what it does for the price.
That's due to they own steam desk os. They have fine tuned everything to optimize the performance. Just like iOS and apple. They had full control over their ecosystem
@@MUAZFIRDAUSBINMOHAMMADAIDILAyaneo could've given Chimera OS financial support, so they get also some Steam OS themselves. Don't understand why all other handheld manufacturers ship with shitty Windows on it. It's so cringe and eats performance.
@@anonapache well even window on normal PC or laptop tend to chomp up some performance just to execute some unnecessary task. One thing I understand is that using window instead of their own homebrew OS is preferable due to steam is more stable in WinOs then any custom Os. In R&D perspective just look how Huawei make their own operating system it's already been years just to optimize everything. So instead of wasting time and money most handheld apart from steam deck use WinOs as it's main plainform mainly because major market player relied and use Win11/10 and steam apps some if not most of it were optimized for that particular Os. Unlike SteamOS which is tuned specifically for their own device
I didn't enjoy the steam deck, I had it for maybe 3 months right when it came out. I just got the Legion go 2 weeks ago and I am in LOVE with it. I'm glad that people have fun and enjoy the steam deck but I wouldn't switch back.
The big question is whether this plastic is actually full grey silver throughout or if it's plastic with a grey silver coating of paint. Anyone who experienced 'silver' plastitic items in the 2000's knows there's almost nothing that looks as cheap as plastic with silver paint that's being worn down from using or even just holding the item. Usually it was some kind of lightly flesh coloured plastic underneath that made those things look even worse.
@@Hughre You could get a better laptop than this for cheaper. And with the extra money you could save you could get a android handheld like a g-cloud or a retroid and stream games.
yeah no dude, that has the same internals as a gpd wm2. They also include shipping in the price of all of their products, so it's definitely not as much margin as you think.
So for almost double the price of the Ally you get the same ammount of RAM and storage, loud fans, worse speaker placement, worse Dpad, unnecessarily high resolution, no high refresh rate, 50% more mass, less performance (?) and a case that looks like a portable DVD player from the 2000's. Got it.
I personally am a fan of the touchpads and back buttons on the Steam Controller, I find em very useful for truck sims particularly. Plus the ease with adding extra mapping layers like hold and double press.
Touchpads and back buttons are huge selling points for me. Back buttons either for commonly used inputs And touchpads because it allows more games to be controlled intuitively. FPS games with a controller are a no go for me, touchpad pretty much solves that.
I like playing legacy versions of Minecraft and the trackpads make playing on Deck so easy; using the right pad to craft/navigate inventory and the left one as a "numpad" to quick select items on my hot bar. Don't think I'd be happy with any of the other 'handheld PC' options on the market but the fact that there *are* options is good news for the fellow consumer
The Kun here is not the Japanese suffix, it is a Chinese name for the fish in their mythology 鯤/鲲 (Kūn), pronounced closer to 'quen' as opposed to 'quin' in this video, but a helluva lot closer to the japanese 'kun' as some suggest
Realistically the steam deck is what most pc gamers will gravitate towards. I'm waiting for a steam deck that can hit 1080p at 60fps medium settings in graphically demanding titles. This and the other windows handhelds are kind of odd and gimmicky
The steamdeck just came in a brown box with black printing with a small wrapper around it I think and a case inside the box with the steamdeck. Very refreshing
@@therunawaykid6523nah I own a Deck and an Ally. The Deck is just far better as a handheld games console because of it's usability functions/pick up and play nature. My Ally is a Windows gaming laptop that's missing it's mouse and keyboard...it's useful as a spare portable computer. When I'm away from home the Deck goes with me. The Ally stays docked at home or near the couch sometimes.
It’s close enough lol kinda like qwen but the “en” is pronounced a bit differently than he did. Hard to explain over text lol Chinese doesn’t have an alphabet so using the English alphabet to explain it never works out well.
Fingers crossed, but my first week with my Legion Go is going great. I scored an "Open Box-Excellent" unit from Best Buy for $591 and added 4 years of warranty support and accidental damage protection for $150 (warranty transfers with device if sold). I think it strikes a balance as something with better performance than the Steam Deck but better reliability and support than you'll get from Ayaneo (not to mention at half the price). I don't foresee using the detached controllers a lot, maybe with one of those 3-D printed connectors, but it's a novel feature that adds value. I wouldn't put a lot of faith in that tiny kickstand, the Go's is practically as wide as the main body of the device.
But it is quite a large device and less portable than other devices I saw one in a cex and thought wow that is large I have the aya 2021 and rog ally 2021 which imo are the perfect size for a handheld pc - also find the steam deck too long
Got the Ally two and a half months ago and even it is a bit too high for my hands, so I'm not too comfortable holding it, but resting on a surface it's perfectly fine. I also got mine used and verified from a shop here, it was 60 bucks cheaper than if it was new, so for that price, I got the travel case for it. Have been having a great time with it and I can say that the 42W boost time doesn't usually increase performance a lot, it just helps reduce the loading times by a few seconds, which I like because I don't like waiting lol. It absolutely DECIMATES my convertible with a 10710U. That 14" laptop manages like 20FPS in Portal 1 at 1080p maxed settings. That's while increasing the TDP from 18W to 50W (the cooler can only handle like 35W CPU&iGPU combined. The Ally does quadruple that framerate at a third the power draw, it's insane
U can adjust the fan to mute and most of triple a games can run great with just 28-33 tdp watt. When the fan is muted and game runs smoothly its heaven bro.
My thoughts exactly, late summer, early fall. Is Aya Neo even still selling Kun? How long did that sit on a shelf? Isn't the point of ShortCircuit to do timely shallow impressions? Gonna have it this long, it ought to be my 1/4,1/2 year with a kun, instead of the Deck. Fish, D pun intended.
For me the main way I use the back buttons on my deck is when using the trackpad for aiming, that puts your hands lower down making the face buttons less convenient. In addition as I am left handed I use the right stick to move and the left trackpad to aim, so using the back buttons allows me to use abxy while both moving and aiming.
Whoever wrote this review has no business doing tech reviews. It’s a genuinely bad product review, of a quite decent handheld. If you have any issues, your stuffed, but the Kun is a good device.
@@emlyndewarYes, as the owner of a Kun I can confirm this review is inaccurate and trash especially when it comes to their battery life and performance testing. Digital Foundry has a performance comparison video featuring the Legion Go, Kun among others and it shows that the Kun is clearly superior to the Go in terms of performance and battery life.
5:01 "USB4 Gen 1" does not exist. USB4 can be implemented with 20Gbit/s, so it does not guarantee 40Gbit/s. I suggest updating the spec formatting guidelines to label with USB-IF's recommended consumer nomenclature of "USB 80/40/20/10/5Gbps" to clearly identify the actual capabilities of the device.
The resolution on these feel like the megapixel-race for phones some time ago. I'm so happy the Steam Deck OLED is just 720p. At some point in time it might make sense to go 1080p, but the difference in real life gaming is just so small compared to the increase in battery life, FPS and just graphics besides from the screen res.
720p is honestly fine for gaming on this screen size. Too many people are too spoiled to realize that higher pixel density like 1440p or 4k on an 8inch screen is just diminishing returns (fine details you can't even see) and an extreme battery killer. OLED 1080p at 90-120hz would be the peak display for these handhelds, but they need to get the APU stronger while maintaining energy efficiency first
wait a sec, that KUNPENG description is the exact same one from "Emperor's Domination" webnovel. “ In the northern darkness is a fish, and its name is Kun. The Kun is so large that no one knows how many millions of li he measures. He changes and becomes a bird whose name is Peng. When it furiously flew, its wings flapped like the gates of the nine worlds and was able to jump across the nineteen continents… „
I have the OG 2021 ayaneo with green buttons; It sucks so much, loud fans and gets so hot, screen bleeding and color issues. Cool company I like their concepts with the ayaneo slide and the flip keyboard/dualscreen models But I recently got a steamdeck OLED and omg it's so much better in every aspect, and cheaper too. Stays cool and fans are very quiet.
Yeah I have the 2021 as well I really like it but yes I agree the fans are pretty loud and it does get quite warm I also have a rog ally which I was surprised how much quieter it is when running games, feels lighter and more comfortable to hold and obviously more powerful also great that it has a nice full hd screen
I'm not sure about windows on such devices. I absolutely love the option to just hit the power button and have the steam deck sleeping for days, but a tap on the button awakes it immediately and i can start over again without seconds.
Patience sure pays, just four wants of waiting, gave us Rog Ally x, whoch's specs beat Kun's price at a much lower price. I just can't fathom how handheld gaming will be in the next 5 years...
@kirby21-xz4rx The language barrier has made email exchanges very confusing. I've had my ticket closed twice now because I was waiting on something from them, but apparently, they were waiting on something from me that wasn't communicated clearly. I received my Kun about 6 weeks ago and discovered the screen is either installed wrong or damaged. After troubleshooting the software for a week, I concluded I needed to get it repaired or replaced. I'm still waiting for them to help me get it shipped out.
@glub1381 In person, the materials really are premium. I suppose the touch pads are a little weird. I think I went after the Kun for the battery, the screen size, and the touch pads. The touch pads are a little disappointing compared to the Steam Deck. Unfortunately, the screen problem means I still haven't gamed on it.
Not sure what you mean by usb4 gen1, but the "lowest" usb standard that supports 40gbps is USB4 Gen 3×2. There is also USB4 Gen 2×1 and USB4 Gen 3×1 which respectively support 10gbps and 20gbps
Can we collectively start advocating for front firing speakers? If my surface pro 8 can have them, be barely noticeable, and sound good, something this thick can too. I get ear fatigue easily from tinnitus, so wearing headphones/earbuds isn’t enjoyable for me.
Yeah the rog ally has front facing speakers which is great while my aya Neo 2021 has the speakers on the bottom which is obviously a worse placement as if you are holding it above something the speakers get muffled and covered up
Can't wait for the next one so that they can drop support for their old ones If you see a company releasing new but similar products every other month, RUN, they are not the company to buy from
Would be really cool if you could test all those with something like ChimeraOS or Bazzite. Could be interesting if those could squeeze even more performance out of that
The APU, at least in the rog ally gives you (almost) the perfect performance around 18-20W if I remember correctly. Everything else is just there to heat your house and ruin your ears. It's crazy that anybody can build a device as the KUN and try to convince people that it makes any kind of sense.
4:54 - ... Why? As you've just said, controllers in kickstand mode. Which game controllers do you have (common ones) that are type C? 😆 Maybe next gen, but not now. It's also why it's only on top, bottom is for charging while playing handheld.
That 19,800 mah is most likely rated at 3.7v if it is higher and it likely is for the power draw requirements its more like 7.2v 9600 mah or like 15v 6000mah.
Plouf must have never played Elden Ring. On my steam deck, I mapped R1 and B to the right side buttons, and L1 and Y to the left side. That way I can leave my index fingers on the triggers, and thumbs on the joysticks without needing to hold B to run. No more claw grip or not being able to move the camera while running
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 for Souls games specifically, especially Elden Ring, it's almost mandatory without mappable buttons. Otherwise there's no way to move the camera while running, jumping, or dodging.
The Legion Go has a larger screen (8.8" vs 8.4" for the Kun), and a smaller battery (35% smaller) yet at the same TDP the Legion Go lasted 6 min longer? I would love to know why, maybe the screen in the Ayaneo is not very efficient?
I have the rog ally z1 extreme and for the buck I thinks it’s the best it has everything you’d need this is just an overkill 54 watt turbo but it weights almost twice as other devices is insane
That was my thought. I read it like the Japanese suffix the use with names. The kwin pronunciation was confusing. These companies really need to send localized pronunciation guides or something to reviewers.
Ayaneo trying not to release another product instead of supporting existing ones challenge (impossible)
I was wondering that, they seem to have A LOT of products...
In all honesty, they have zero incentive to do so. They produce these things in small batches and by the time the second batch would be ready the the factory doing the work would've already retooled themselves to produce something else. At that point you can re-retool for the original design or you can just retool for a new design and the cost would be exactly the same.
And when you put out a half a dozen designs every year (and each one takes the better part of a year to ship) it becomes pointless to support all of them. On top of that, you make money off of hardware sales, not software, so supporting one device long term makes little sense.
Keep in mind, I'm not defending them, it's actually pretty shitty, but that's what's going on behind the scenes.
Aya, GPD, AKZ, and so on with higher ends products are truly niche to me. Then again, sometimes you come across a random sale of them on FB and I try to snag them as low as possible lmao
Thats why I’ll stay with my SD.
This comment needs more like.
New one dropping in 2 seconds
Ayaneo Kun NEXT Pro Plus+ now available, the latest and greatest.... for 10 more seconds.
Ditto!
They announced 34 new kickstarters in the time it took me to read this comment
The reason I got a Steam Deck is simple, I know the support will be there for whatever I want to do with it, both from Valve themselves and third party.
I love that even hardcore PC people are evangelizing for the Steam Deck when it's basically a console, it's all plug and play, and if you want to do more you can. And as you said a huge part of that is a full time support team.
@@anderssorenson9998probably more that the steamdeck is more like a portable computer rather then a console
@anderssorenson9998 of course PC gamers like the steam deck, it plays our steam library out of the box
@@anderssorenson9998 There's reasons behind why a lot of PC users don't go for a console instead, and those same reasons are also why they praise the Steam Deck. What a lot of hardcore PC users will tell you that they love about the PC is the openness of it. You're free to choose whatever OS you want, you get to modify in-game settings to your liking, you can conveniently replace any piece of hardware to your liking, you don't have to worry as much about DRM issues, etc. Much of that same openness can also be seen in the Steam Deck. While not a carbon copy of the PC, the Steam Deck still does a good job of replicating the open experience that PC users are looking for.
All these other companies will be in huge trouble once Valve decides to release a steam deck clocking
+120Htz.
this looks like a mashup of a steam deck and a 2000s ewaste bin
Exactly... it's like wtf this is really lazy.
or a steam deck and one of those leap frog devices
The cheap looking silver paint the kind that rubs off with a months use.
Tapwave Zodiac returns
my thought was a silver PSP 2000
Seeing how the d-pad moved made my stomach hurt lol
It's actually pretty good design, know a lot of players that prefer it for d-pad heavy games.
@@TakisEnjoyer I’m not one of those players
@@TakisEnjoyerI’m also not one of those people. 🤮
@@TakisEnjoyera d-pad should not physically move except for up and down from button presses.
@@TakisEnjoyer ew
Not going to lie, when price was brought up, the first number that came to mind was $700. The fact that if was $400 on top of that either means that what I was expecting or what THEY were expecting was WAAAAAYYY out of spec.
Facts
The problem is their entry-level unit at like £1200 is basically in direct competition with the ASUS ROG Ally X at £799.
It only really makes sense for the extra RAM, but unfortunately it's locked to storage. £1800 for the 64GB 4TB model is mad.
It looks like Ayaneo used the same kind of plastic McDonalds uses in a Happy Meal toy.
Yes the light silver colour does it no favours at all, looks horribly cheap.
That awkward moment when Maccies mostly use cardboard and bioplastic recyclable toys since 2020…
Also you mean ABS. The plastic is ABS and is commonly used in a lot of stuff. Unless you mean it looks like bioplastic which it really doesn’t. Also that plastic has a low glass point so not advisable you use it for computers.
I mean what do you expect? A metal case? I mean have goes for real reasons such as Aneyos track record with handhelds and the fact they release a new one every Tuesday morning.
Just seems weird to attack it for being plastic. It’s a handheld not a smartphone. It doesn’t need a glass back and titanium bezel. Never buy a PC it will shock you how much plastic is in a PC, mouse, keyboard and display.
@@razerow3391 it was a joke
@@razerow3391 It's not about it being plastic per se, but the fact that it aesthetically resembles a 2000s console with creaky, brittle plastic and a silver finish that'll peel off within months. Pretty much all modern handhelds are covered in plastic, but they don't look this dated and cheap.
The only way this color can look nice is if the case was out of aluminum like with some laptops. But for a handheld of this size, that would make it too heavy.
Its design looks like a 5€ mp3 player from the 2000s your parents got you so you stopped annoying them on long car rides
What the hell is a Ayaneo Quinn xD
Wow, Hot VR just out in the open. Yeah, i heard that and my head tilted.
~$600 can buy you one hell of a power bank. Hell, you can buy a 20k mAh power bank for $35 that weighs 360g. So with a Steam Deck OLED, you're still saving $550, getting a better screen, better ecosystem, more total power capacity, and your total carry weight is only 50g higher
All this competition in the handheld space is great, but each one makes me appreciate the Steamdeck that much more.
Sure, the Legion Go and Ayaneo are more powerful, but not by that much. The Steam deck is just superb at what it does for the price.
That's due to they own steam desk os. They have fine tuned everything to optimize the performance. Just like iOS and apple. They had full control over their ecosystem
@@MUAZFIRDAUSBINMOHAMMADAIDILAyaneo could've given Chimera OS financial support, so they get also some Steam OS themselves. Don't understand why all other handheld manufacturers ship with shitty Windows on it. It's so cringe and eats performance.
You forget MSI Claw
@@anonapache well even window on normal PC or laptop tend to chomp up some performance just to execute some unnecessary task.
One thing I understand is that using window instead of their own homebrew OS is preferable due to steam is more stable in WinOs then any custom Os. In R&D perspective just look how Huawei make their own operating system it's already been years just to optimize everything. So instead of wasting time and money most handheld apart from steam deck use WinOs as it's main plainform mainly because major market player relied and use Win11/10 and steam apps some if not most of it were optimized for that particular Os. Unlike SteamOS which is tuned specifically for their own device
I didn't enjoy the steam deck, I had it for maybe 3 months right when it came out. I just got the Legion go 2 weeks ago and I am in LOVE with it. I'm glad that people have fun and enjoy the steam deck but I wouldn't switch back.
Cant wait for AYANEO San, AYANEO Chan, and AYANEO Sama
Ayaneo Kouji
AYANEO Senpai?
@@pid1790*Read in Captain America voice* I understood that reference
the way my face contorted when it cut to the handheld and its early 2000’s gray plastic
Ya know, I have no problem with how it looks, colour included. My only wish is it went further back and gave us transparent plastic. Love that shit
Gives me GameCube wireless gamebird vibes. Definitely outdated look.
The big question is whether this plastic is actually full grey silver throughout or if it's plastic with a grey silver coating of paint.
Anyone who experienced 'silver' plastitic items in the 2000's knows there's almost nothing that looks as cheap as plastic with silver paint that's being worn down from using or even just holding the item. Usually it was some kind of lightly flesh coloured plastic underneath that made those things look even worse.
Looks like an mp3 player from 2005.
@@auspex9847 that is a very very good point. I have a little stereo knocking about like that. Battery bay is fleshy
$1,129. What a joke.
i mean you can get a significantly more powerful laptop for that
Bu... but... Wooden box!!!
xddddddddddddddddddddd
@@Hughre You could get a better laptop than this for cheaper. And with the extra money you could save you could get a android handheld like a g-cloud or a retroid and stream games.
@@Hughre But the laptop is no longer relevant
$100 for console - $900 for packaging
Spoiler alert!
and zero support
yeah no dude, that has the same internals as a gpd wm2. They also include shipping in the price of all of their products, so it's definitely not as much margin as you think.
@@nyxterius dude I’m clearly just joking
I know you're joking but boxes like that cost like $5 in quantity. I was just surprised at how cheap they were.
Imma wait for the more powerful ayaneo senpai or the smaller ayaneo chan
The chan will be so kawaii.
So for almost double the price of the Ally you get the same ammount of RAM and storage, loud fans, worse speaker placement, worse Dpad, unnecessarily high resolution, no high refresh rate, 50% more mass, less performance (?) and a case that looks like a portable DVD player from the 2000's. Got it.
Damn if anti sales was a job you would be the best in the business.
I personally am a fan of the touchpads and back buttons on the Steam Controller, I find em very useful for truck sims particularly. Plus the ease with adding extra mapping layers like hold and double press.
Touchpads and back buttons are huge selling points for me.
Back buttons either for commonly used inputs
And touchpads because it allows more games to be controlled intuitively. FPS games with a controller are a no go for me, touchpad pretty much solves that.
@@Verchiel_ that makes sense. I just use kb+m for fps, I mostly got the steam controller cuz I hoard weird controllers.
I like playing legacy versions of Minecraft and the trackpads make playing on Deck so easy; using the right pad to craft/navigate inventory and the left one as a "numpad" to quick select items on my hot bar. Don't think I'd be happy with any of the other 'handheld PC' options on the market but the fact that there *are* options is good news for the fellow consumer
@@Verchiel_ Agreed
The Kun here is not the Japanese suffix, it is a Chinese name for the fish in their mythology 鯤/鲲 (Kūn), pronounced closer to 'quen' as opposed to 'quin' in this video, but a helluva lot closer to the japanese 'kun' as some suggest
Thank you!
Truly, thank you. This was driving me nuts assuming it was the Japanese "kun", but this makes a ton of sense.
These PC handheld gaming systems will never take off if they cost the same as full blown gaming desktop.
Realistically the steam deck is what most pc gamers will gravitate towards. I'm waiting for a steam deck that can hit 1080p at 60fps medium settings in graphically demanding titles.
This and the other windows handhelds are kind of odd and gimmicky
they kinda already took off just with steam deck not these imitations.
My guy never heard of Steam Deck lmao
Whenever I see packaging like that all I can think of is how I am paying 40 bucks more just for fancy packaging I dont need
The steamdeck just came in a brown box with black printing with a small wrapper around it I think and a case inside the box with the steamdeck. Very refreshing
Exactly, huge waste of money.
more like 100
when i buy something like a laptop, i dont spend an hour looking at the packaging, i just throw away the box. there isnt really a point
This
Audio's weird on this one no ?
Very much
you're getting old, fam
@@strubbleler Maybe you are?
Either some really weird microphone phase interference, or Adobe's AI voice enhancement/noise removal
It's quite "boomy". It's like the mic is in a shoe box, and he's talking in to a hole in said shoe box.
The more of these handhelds release, the more it becomese even more obvious that the steamdeck is the best one overall
Always has been
Not sure about that I love my aya Neo 2021 and rog ally I’ve heard the steam deck has some game compatibility issues
@@therunawaykid6523nah I own a Deck and an Ally. The Deck is just far better as a handheld games console because of it's usability functions/pick up and play nature. My Ally is a Windows gaming laptop that's missing it's mouse and keyboard...it's useful as a spare portable computer. When I'm away from home the Deck goes with me. The Ally stays docked at home or near the couch sometimes.
Both Rog Ally's are better.
The name of this thing sounds like it's the younger brother.
"What are you doing, Ayaneo-Kun?"
they spent most money on unboxing experience, man Unbox Theraphy would be delighted.
It's likely just press kit 😅
There's no way that that's how it should be pronounced
Nope, it is... Chop it up to cultural gap stuff. Different meaning there than what it's been used for here
It’s close enough lol kinda like qwen but the “en” is pronounced a bit differently than he did. Hard to explain over text lol Chinese doesn’t have an alphabet so using the English alphabet to explain it never works out well.
Fingers crossed, but my first week with my Legion Go is going great. I scored an "Open Box-Excellent" unit from Best Buy for $591 and added 4 years of warranty support and accidental damage protection for $150 (warranty transfers with device if sold). I think it strikes a balance as something with better performance than the Steam Deck but better reliability and support than you'll get from Ayaneo (not to mention at half the price). I don't foresee using the detached controllers a lot, maybe with one of those 3-D printed connectors, but it's a novel feature that adds value. I wouldn't put a lot of faith in that tiny kickstand, the Go's is practically as wide as the main body of the device.
But it is quite a large device and less portable than other devices I saw one in a cex and thought wow that is large I have the aya 2021 and rog ally 2021 which imo are the perfect size for a handheld pc - also find the steam deck too long
Got the Ally two and a half months ago and even it is a bit too high for my hands, so I'm not too comfortable holding it, but resting on a surface it's perfectly fine. I also got mine used and verified from a shop here, it was 60 bucks cheaper than if it was new, so for that price, I got the travel case for it. Have been having a great time with it and I can say that the 42W boost time doesn't usually increase performance a lot, it just helps reduce the loading times by a few seconds, which I like because I don't like waiting lol. It absolutely DECIMATES my convertible with a 10710U. That 14" laptop manages like 20FPS in Portal 1 at 1080p maxed settings. That's while increasing the TDP from 18W to 50W (the cooler can only handle like 35W CPU&iGPU combined. The Ally does quadruple that framerate at a third the power draw, it's insane
U can adjust the fan to mute and most of triple a games can run great with just 28-33 tdp watt. When the fan is muted and game runs smoothly its heaven bro.
how do they sustain releasing so many new products ? I don't get it
The price is total robbery
Reminds me of the silver Daxter edition PSP I had as a teen. Good times!
Wasn't this released in Aug / Sep 2023?
My thoughts exactly, late summer, early fall. Is Aya Neo even still selling Kun? How long did that sit on a shelf? Isn't the point of ShortCircuit to do timely shallow impressions? Gonna have it this long, it ought to be my 1/4,1/2 year with a kun, instead of the Deck. Fish, D pun intended.
YEPP - was also my first thought. Either do a video when it comes out or just don‘t ;)
For me the main way I use the back buttons on my deck is when using the trackpad for aiming, that puts your hands lower down making the face buttons less convenient.
In addition as I am left handed I use the right stick to move and the left trackpad to aim, so using the back buttons allows me to use abxy while both moving and aiming.
CPU Turbo is off by default as it is beneficial to have more power going to the GPU when it comes to gaming.
Whoever wrote this review has no business doing tech reviews. It’s a genuinely bad product review, of a quite decent handheld. If you have any issues, your stuffed, but the Kun is a good device.
@@emlyndewar Yeah I agree the only negative thing about it is after sales support.
@@emlyndewarYes, as the owner of a Kun I can confirm this review is inaccurate and trash especially when it comes to their battery life and performance testing. Digital Foundry has a performance comparison video featuring the Legion Go, Kun among others and it shows that the Kun is clearly superior to the Go in terms of performance and battery life.
Adobe's AI thingy is strong with this one
5:01 "USB4 Gen 1" does not exist. USB4 can be implemented with 20Gbit/s, so it does not guarantee 40Gbit/s. I suggest updating the spec formatting guidelines to label with USB-IF's recommended consumer nomenclature of "USB 80/40/20/10/5Gbps" to clearly identify the actual capabilities of the device.
Ayaneo-senpai...
The design of this thing is so 2000s I love it
YES
The resolution on these feel like the megapixel-race for phones some time ago. I'm so happy the Steam Deck OLED is just 720p. At some point in time it might make sense to go 1080p, but the difference in real life gaming is just so small compared to the increase in battery life, FPS and just graphics besides from the screen res.
720p is honestly fine for gaming on this screen size. Too many people are too spoiled to realize that higher pixel density like 1440p or 4k on an 8inch screen is just diminishing returns (fine details you can't even see) and an extreme battery killer. OLED 1080p at 90-120hz would be the peak display for these handhelds, but they need to get the APU stronger while maintaining energy efficiency first
My favourite handheld! 🔥
Ayaneo coughs out a device faster than Windows getting an update
QUIN?
Apparently, it is a Chinese mythical fish and his pronunciation is correct in that context. I prefer to think of it as the Japanese honorific.
wait a sec, that KUNPENG description is the exact same one from "Emperor's Domination" webnovel.
“ In the northern darkness is a fish, and its name is Kun. The Kun is so large that no one knows how many millions of li he measures. He changes and becomes a bird whose name is Peng. When it furiously flew, its wings flapped like the gates of the nine worlds and was able to jump across the nineteen continents… „
I have the OG 2021 ayaneo with green buttons; It sucks so much, loud fans and gets so hot, screen bleeding and color issues.
Cool company I like their concepts with the ayaneo slide and the flip keyboard/dualscreen models
But I recently got a steamdeck OLED and omg it's so much better in every aspect, and cheaper too. Stays cool and fans are very quiet.
Yeah I have the 2021 as well I really like it but yes I agree the fans are pretty loud and it does get quite warm I also have a rog ally which I was surprised how much quieter it is when running games, feels lighter and more comfortable to hold and obviously more powerful also great that it has a nice full hd screen
I was going to say the silver plastic feels very early 2000s, Frutiger Aero vibes.
Damn this video title is an Evangelion sequel?
yes 😂
You will (not) buy this.
Neon Genesis Evangelinus
I'm not sure about windows on such devices. I absolutely love the option to just hit the power button and have the steam deck sleeping for days, but a tap on the button awakes it immediately and i can start over again without seconds.
Well... The news/rumours is MS is tinkering with a version of win for handhelds... So maybe it will be out next year?
The steam deck touchpad and stick placement needs to become the industry standard
The box literally impressed me more than the actual device. Anyway, cool video.
120hz VRR is a must have now. no excuses. oh and matte screen, those reflections are a bummer.
"on the bus" is not an issue at this price
I swear they keep pumping out handhelds that all seem pretty similar performance wise and the price is not coming down.
I’m surprised eta prime hasn’t made a video about this thing yet
Ayaya?
Ayaneo dayo
Ayaya
Ayaneo
AYAYA AYAYA AYAYA AYAYA
Patience sure pays, just four wants of waiting, gave us Rog Ally x, whoch's specs beat Kun's price at a much lower price. I just can't fathom how handheld gaming will be in the next 5 years...
780m feels like we're finally there for good enough handheld gaming, I think the next generation Strix point apus will be more than enough
When it comes to handheld, Steam Deck is always my go to. Easy to use & great support & price is reasonable
It's a beautiful device, but mine came with a bad screen, and dealing with Ayaneo's customer service has been a hassle and a half.
Wdym they offer pretty great customer service?
It's a hideous device what are you talking about
@kirby21-xz4rx The language barrier has made email exchanges very confusing. I've had my ticket closed twice now because I was waiting on something from them, but apparently, they were waiting on something from me that wasn't communicated clearly. I received my Kun about 6 weeks ago and discovered the screen is either installed wrong or damaged. After troubleshooting the software for a week, I concluded I needed to get it repaired or replaced. I'm still waiting for them to help me get it shipped out.
@glub1381 In person, the materials really are premium. I suppose the touch pads are a little weird. I think I went after the Kun for the battery, the screen size, and the touch pads. The touch pads are a little disappointing compared to the Steam Deck. Unfortunately, the screen problem means I still haven't gamed on it.
@@kirby21-xz4rx If by great you mean non-existent. Then yes.
Not sure what you mean by usb4 gen1, but the "lowest" usb standard that supports 40gbps is USB4 Gen 3×2. There is also USB4 Gen 2×1 and USB4 Gen 3×1 which respectively support 10gbps and 20gbps
Can we collectively start advocating for front firing speakers? If my surface pro 8 can have them, be barely noticeable, and sound good, something this thick can too. I get ear fatigue easily from tinnitus, so wearing headphones/earbuds isn’t enjoyable for me.
Yeah the rog ally has front facing speakers which is great while my aya Neo 2021 has the speakers on the bottom which is obviously a worse placement as if you are holding it above something the speakers get muffled and covered up
My AyaAir sounds like that with the max 15TDP and wild fan setting
can we get a handheld comparison between all hand-helds, fps, price weight, and stuff like that
From the title I thought it was a budget ayaneo
9:06 when fan hits the s***
no specs breakdown?
Come on Al give us a grunt.
Helps with the hitchy mouse movement of which he didn’t mention until he saw it was 60hz… makes sense
Can't wait for the next one so that they can drop support for their old ones
If you see a company releasing new but similar products every other month, RUN, they are not the company to buy from
Plouffe getting the ROG Ally weight exactly right was a nice surprise
Yeah I love my rog ally
I'll wait for the Ayaneo Senpai, thank you very much.
How’d you get Quinn from Kun? 😅
Can't wait for the AYANEO Chan, AYANEO Sama, and the AYANEO Dono.
@@twinturboray I know. I was kidding.
You must be fun at parties.
That fan noise is SHRILL! Feel like I'm in a server room.
Steam Deck: Where did your new flame lead you? Back to me!
Would be really cool if you could test all those with something like ChimeraOS or Bazzite. Could be interesting if those could squeeze even more performance out of that
It's about time someone built this handheld PS4.
It's also insane to think a Quest 3 is only 503 grams
D-pad in Kun THE BEST!!!
Looks like the thing Anakin was playing with on the sofa in Revenge of the Sith
CPU turbo is off by default because on these handhelds it’s better to have CPU turbo off in most cases.
The APU, at least in the rog ally gives you (almost) the perfect performance around 18-20W if I remember correctly. Everything else is just there to heat your house and ruin your ears.
It's crazy that anybody can build a device as the KUN and try to convince people that it makes any kind of sense.
Rog ally plugged in is not 35w, it’s 30w tdp. 13:10
Great video, short and to the point! Please test some more games though, it's a portable so maybe test low graphical demanding games as well?
from a design standpoint...that box was sexy
4:54 - ... Why? As you've just said, controllers in kickstand mode.
Which game controllers do you have (common ones) that are type C? 😆
Maybe next gen, but not now.
It's also why it's only on top, bottom is for charging while playing handheld.
What? The latest xbox series and ps5 controllers are both USB-C. They're both extremely common at this point.
That 19,800 mah is most likely rated at 3.7v if it is higher and it likely is for the power draw requirements its more like 7.2v 9600 mah or like 15v 6000mah.
In 10 years, we’ll plug these into a docking station attached to our monitors, game/computer with it. And take it with us when we leave.
In 10 years these things will be so damn capable. The the ryzen 8600G is already capable of 1080p low at 60fps. APUs are getting beastly
Also, very interesting choice in the pineapple hat there Ploufe, trying to tell us something? lol
Aya Neo "Quin"
🧐
That's the same APU that's in the minisforum EM780 mini-PC, it's great and runs super quiet
Plouf must have never played Elden Ring. On my steam deck, I mapped R1 and B to the right side buttons, and L1 and Y to the left side. That way I can leave my index fingers on the triggers, and thumbs on the joysticks without needing to hold B to run. No more claw grip or not being able to move the camera while running
Claw grip is the strangest phenomenon I've ever encountered from other gamers. Maybe it was just that I was an N64 kid or something lol
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 for Souls games specifically, especially Elden Ring, it's almost mandatory without mappable buttons. Otherwise there's no way to move the camera while running, jumping, or dodging.
One of the cubes on the logo on the wall is on the wrong orientation and I can't stop noticing it
It's not even the price that kills it for me, its that D-Pad... thing. WHY?
The Legion Go has a larger screen (8.8" vs 8.4" for the Kun), and a smaller battery (35% smaller) yet at the same TDP the Legion Go lasted 6 min longer? I would love to know why, maybe the screen in the Ayaneo is not very efficient?
Video error: the Steamdeck OLED has 50Wh (the LCD one has 40Wh)
LOL "N-Gage FTW" in the credits
I have the rog ally z1 extreme and for the buck I thinks it’s the best it has everything you’d need this is just an overkill 54 watt turbo but it weights almost twice as other devices is insane
5:45 steam deck oled got a battery upgrade and has 50Wh instead of 40Wh
Is this not the best gaming handheld available ?if not which one is better?
The Legion go smokes this device! I would love to mess around with the 54 watt mode though!
how'd Kun become kwin
That was my thought. I read it like the Japanese suffix the use with names.
The kwin pronunciation was confusing. These companies really need to send localized pronunciation guides or something to reviewers.
The actual pronunciation may be a bit of a problem kooooon