Right! I dont feel sorry for him about his legacy being questioned by everybody. He has natural ability and would have made to hall of fame without all the steroids but naturally ability wasn't enough for him.
@@jamessmith-bw4nb yep. I’m a life long Giants fan going back to the early 80’s as a kid. He was the best all around player in baseball when he weighed a buck 80. He won 3 NL MVPs before he started juicing. He was a prick too which cemented his legacy I think more than anything. If he had treated people right he’d have got more leeway with the press. Mike Piazza for example admitted juicing, is in the hall of fame, and is beloved cuz he admitted to it and was a good dude.
@@j.h.7266 Ummm...no, little boy. Mike Piazza never once admitted juicing and there was never any even REMOTE evidence that he did. It was literally just someone who suggested he must be juicing. Here is a tip, little boy. Don't try to bluff, especially on the internet. Because you can only bluff people that you are smarter than. So for you, that is nobody. And on the internet, to just say some random bullshit and think that people will just accept your word for it with no evidence is even worse.. But please, little child...prove me wrong. Show me some article where Mike Piazza "admitted to juicing." And when you can't find any article, come on back and say "You know what, I was a fucking idiot. I just made something up for attention."
@Kealoha Ward You seriously are embarrassing yourself. And I think the saddest part of your life is that you actually thought you were making Republicans look bad with your post. But in reality, you only showed the world why you are such a lonely, lonely part middle aged man.
I know, right. I played there briefly in 1985. I remember a guy named Ted Dyson hitting a HR during either a scrimmage or fall ball game onto Rural that hit a car.
@@rayrod2021 ok Barry bonds never tested positive for steroids, and in 1998 before he was suspected of using he had 3 mvps 8 gold gloves 7 silver sluggers 500 stolen bases 500 home runs. He was already the goat watch some baseball or grow up kid
Rule or not, I'd like to know if pine tar actually makes the ball go farther or not. Even after the Brett incident, it has never really been proven if it does anything.
DISCO , you hit the ball and the sticky substance is now on it..... fielder cant throw it properly to first base because of a bad grip, gives advantage to batter. I'm guessing they had to draw a line somewhere .
Yup. That's it. It was never considered cheating actually. It was always just a money saving rule. It wasn't like today where every time a ball touches the ground, it is taken out of play. Balls would continue to be used until they were so scuffed up that it would be dangerous to pitch them. They just didn't want bats that had pine tar so far up that they would hit the pitch on a part of the bat with pine tar and get the ball sticky and make it have to be tossed out. The NCAA obviously had less money than MLB so they were still wanting to save money. But it was stupid to call the batter out. MLB never had that rule, even though umpires seemed to think they did. The penalty in MLB was simply that the batter was not allowed to use that bat unless he cleaned it up before his next at bat. (They were actually given the bat back.) But all at bats prior stood. Nobody was called out. That is why the Royals won their appeal when he was called out. The umpires had the penalty wrong.
@@alo4912 He used them to achieve the career and single season Homerun record because he wasn't getting enough attention even though he was by far the best position player of the 1990s.
@@Jacobthekid28 I say any athlete over 30 that wants to use steroids w all the risks and trade offs involved, more power to them. If they've proven they have the skills to play in the bigs but they can get more out of their bodies w juice then who cares...let them all do it and the field is level. Like it was when Bonds started juicing, by the way.
Can anybody explain to me the point of pine tar when you already have an aluminum bat and gloves? Hard to tell from the video but it looked like he already had a grip or at least tape on it
He had a 22 year career and averaged 135 games per season. No one ever factors in the fact he’s one of very few players that was consistently that good every season of his career and only missed ONE full season due to injury. He played in over 100 games every season of his career except 2005 when he was out with a knee injury. In 1999 in his next lowest games in a season he played 102 games and still had 34 homers and 20 doubles. There were only 4 seasons that he hit less than 25 HR one of those he hit 24 and he was consistent every year like a machine. Steroid, or the HGH that he used that again was legal in the MLB st the time, if anything later in his career helped him stay on the field but no amount of any foreign substance made him the hitter he was! Add in the fact that he had more career walks than hits , avg 116 BB per year and 31 IBB per year, and it makes the HR numbers even more incredible bc it means he rarely saw a good pitch but when he did he DID NOT miss! Steroids can’t make you that great at hitting! Most of the guys in the 500 HR club would have had close to what bonds has if they that long of a career or always been able to play!
So the 18 inch baseball rule is made by stupid people I suppose? So you think someone who slathers pine tar on the barrel of the bat won't change the way he hits vs. someone who has a smooth surface? Please, share your knowledge.
Matt Smith Have you ever touched pine tar before? it will make it a better grip for fielders because it's sticky. I don't understand your logic of it being slippery when it's used to enhance your grip.
sychophantt I think since it's sticky it creates more backspin on the ball if hit? And therefore makes it fly farther. I think that's what it is but I can't be sure
hitting a baseball with pine tar would not make a difference with the hit the reason that rule exist is made because pine tar is not allowed to get on the baseball so that is why the rule is made, pine tar on the barrel would actually probably make the ball fly less far because of the surface becoming more rough making it not fly through the air less smoothly and increase drag.
None. It was never considered cheating actually. It was always just a money saving rule. It wasn't like today where every time a ball touches the ground, it is taken out of play. Balls would continue to be used until they were so scuffed up that it would be dangerous to pitch them. They just didn't want bats that had pine tar so far up that they would hit the pitch on a part of the bat with pine tar and get the ball sticky and make it have to be tossed out. The NCAA obviously had less money than MLB so they were still wanting to save money, even after MLB decided they no longer needed that rule since they were using more baseballs. (However, even into the early 80s, players would still be fined a small amount for throwing a ball into the stands.) But it was stupid for the NCAA rule to call the batter out. MLB never had that rule, even though umpires seemed to think they did. The penalty in MLB was simply that the batter was not allowed to use that bat unless he cleaned it up before his next at bat. (They were actually given the bat back.) But all at bats prior stood. Nobody was called out. That is why the Royals won their appeal when he was called out. The umpires had the penalty wrong.
Was in highschool that year and that was the same Easton bat everyone had. It was the best bat at the time. Now they're out of control ridiculous and worse than buying a golf club driver.
I played a lot of baseball. Don't care how many PEDS you take, either you can hit or you can't. Look at his lifetime average with those Hrs. He was one of the best pure hitters in the game. Like Babe Ruth.
Similar to what it is now. Probably 2 sizes less than it was 20 years ago. You know...how it naturally happens. Your head grows two sizes in your late 30s and early 40s. and then shrinks back down in your 50s.
+spacedigger Yeah you're probably right that it's not the official reason but that's what I heard George Brett say in an interview and it seems they never gave a another explanation.
Why was the appeal denied? I assume that the NCAA and MLB use the same rulebook which requires that the coach appeal prior to the at bat not afterwards.
Why would they use the same rulebook? And MLB didn't have that rule either. You could call for a bat check any time. And by then, MLB got rid of their pine tar rule ENTIRELY. Plus, even when the George Brett incident happened, it was never supposed to result in the batter being called out. THAT is why the Royals won their appeal and the home run ended up being reinstated. Not because the Yankees called for the check too late.
Here pretty late...packard is a construction site right now, that dirt field where bonds hit his HR is Scottsdale rd, and the devils now play at Phoenix municipal...cool to see the dirt lot
Everybody goes on and disses Barry Bonds so often. Barry is one of the greatest to ever play the game and certainly is one of the greatest hitters of all time.
I don't think anyone disputes that. He would've been a first-ballot HoF'er without ever touching roids, no doubt. Doesn't change the fact that he took them and ruined his legacy.
A lot of you forget the incredible amount of SKILL it takes to hit a baseball at that level non the less hit a home run. The roids didn't change his SKILL, he probably gained about 10-30 feet taking roids as if it really mattered anyways
Bradan Perkins so can you explain too me why in a years time he went from being skinny as hell and being only an average batter and averaging only 20 homeruns a season to being jacked as hell and averaging 40+ homeruns a season in a years time
So? That makes it worse. You could at least UNDERSTAND a player who keeps getting sent down to the minors trying to gain an unfair advantage. Trying to get that one big contract to provide security for his family. Bonds did it solely out of "The rules don't apply to me."
No advantage. It was never considered cheating actually. It was always just a money saving rule. It wasn't like today where every time a ball touches the ground, it is taken out of play. Balls would continue to be used until they were so scuffed up that it would be dangerous to pitch them. They just didn't want bats that had pine tar so far up that they would hit the pitch on a part of the bat with pine tar and get the ball sticky and make it have to be tossed out. By the 80s, it was really an outdated rule that just was never thought about. While MLB didn't go through as many balls as it does now, they were starting to take more balls out of play. (However, players were still often fined a small amount by their team if they threw a ball into the stands even into the early 80s.) Like a lot of outdated rules (or laws) it takes a case of it being applied and fought to make the change for good. this is what happened with George Brett. It took the publicity from that incident for MLB to step back and say "I think we can spare the extra $10 or so to buy a couple extra balls per game if pine tar gets on it. Time to get rid of that rule." The NCAA obviously had less money than MLB so they were still wanting to save money into the 80s, even after MLB decided they no longer needed that rule since they were using more baseballs. But it was stupid for the NCAA rule to call the batter out. MLB never had that rule, even though umpires seemed to think they did. The penalty in MLB was simply that the batter was not allowed to use that bat unless he cleaned it up before his next at bat. (They were actually given the bat back.) But all at bats prior stood. Nobody was called out. That is why the Royals won their appeal when he was called out. The umpires had the penalty wrong.
Is there any actual advantage to having more than 18 inches of your bat covered in pine tar? Like I guess it might help for bunting but I don't think guys are super worried about losing their grip during a bunt.
No advantage. It was never considered cheating actually. It was always just a money saving rule. It wasn't like today where every time a ball touches the ground, it is taken out of play. Balls would continue to be used until they were so scuffed up that it would be dangerous to pitch them. They just didn't want bats that had pine tar so far up that they would hit the pitch on a part of the bat with pine tar and get the ball sticky and make it have to be tossed out. By the 80s, it was really an outdated rule that just was never thought about. While MLB didn't go through as many balls as it does now, they were starting to take more balls out of play. (However, players were still often fined a small amount by their team if they threw a ball into the stands even into the early 80s.) Like a lot of outdated rules (or laws) it takes a case of it being applied and fought to make the change for good. this is what happened with George Brett. It took the publicity from that incident for MLB to step back and say "I think we can spare the extra $10 or so to buy a couple extra balls per game if pine tar gets on it. Time to get rid of that rule." The NCAA obviously had less money than MLB so they were still wanting to save money into the 80s, even after MLB decided they no longer needed that rule since they were using more baseballs. But it was stupid for the NCAA rule to call the batter out. MLB never had that rule, even though umpires seemed to think they did. The penalty in MLB was simply that the batter was not allowed to use that bat unless he cleaned it up before his next at bat. (They were actually given the bat back.) But all at bats prior stood. Nobody was called out. That is why the Royals won their appeal when he was called out. The umpires had the penalty wrong.
Again to all the worthless little welfare boys...if you have no idea what you are talking about, please stay out of the conversation so you don't embarrass your mommy and daddy. Are you really so fucking stupid that you don't see how having a quicker bat speed helps you hit a fastball? Or how being able to hit a ball 25 feet farther might turn flyouts into home runs? Look..I know you have zero education. And zero job skills. No street smarts.But don't you have ANY ability that might help you get off welfare for once in your life? You can't sell drugs your whole life. Thankfully, most of you get killed before you are 30. FINALLY contributing to society by leaving it. I'm just happy you are about to lose your food stamps.
Also, Bonds was taking HGH (human growth hormone) during his big home run years in MLB. He actually discovered that HGH reverses the normal degeneration of the human eye; as a result, at age 36 he could see the ball through eyes that were just like an 18 year old's. I'm pretty sure that helped him out a bit. In addition, getting some real expensive body armor, wearing it on your right elbow, and then standing 4 inches from the plate made it impossible to get him out with a strike on the outside corner. And he got away with that because "He's Barry Bonds."
Actually they do. They increase bat speed and mental focus. Thus helping you see and hit baseballs better. Roids don't just help you hit more homers, but for average as well. They also help you run faster and recover from previous games faster.
The only reason I use a metal bat is because I'm tired of wooden ones breaking especially with me being a power hitter. I like the classic sound of the wooden bat connecting with the ball more
Being a power hitter doesn't make you break more bats. Being a bad contact hitter does. Doesn't matter how hard you swing, if you connect in the sweet spot, your bat will never break. But a 98 pound weakling will break a bat if he hits it off his hands.
@@michaelhunziker7287 You aren't that fucking stupid, right? It is exactly the OPPOSITE of what is natural. You don't gain all that muscle in your 40s. Why the fuck would you embarrass yourself with that comment?
MaddenGuy Cause if they're so against it and it bothers them so much why don't they come out and point it out at the beginning of the at bat. They're hypocrites, if he makes an out they're fine with it, if he gets a hit now all of a sudden they're indignant
impassable Yep. This is baseball. People are competitive, they aren't going to argue something unless it goes against them. That's just how baseball and life works.
a lot of people don't know this but the sun devils had a prospect then that was even more highly rated then bonds his name oddibe mcdowell drafted by the rangers and rushed in to the bigs and never fully developed his game sad great college player the late Jim Brock was the coach may he rip.
I remember him, short powerpack, believe he was like 5'9". yes they pushed him, teams started drafting him before he ever got to ASU. He was a motorscooter ......
Why wasn't the same eventual ruling that was used for Bretts' homerun used for Bonds' homerun? The logic that the pine tar doesn't change the competitive balance would seem to apply in BOTH cases. Maybe there is more to this that I don't know.
Barry was thin, before ROIDS made his body bugger than all outdoors. I do miss seeing Barry's at bats. Most folks will never appreciate how good of an eye he had for the ball.
They complain that it can ruin the ball if it gets pine tar all over it. But ever since '95 when they made the rule that every ball on the ground has to be thrown out of play after the play it probably means nothing anymore.
thats the shit I don't understand. When a new ball is taken out its packaged its soaked in dirt to take away the slippery residue. So if the ball is hit in the dirt, then just wipe it clean.
MetsGiants...that rule was taken out of baseball LONG before 1995. That is why the George Brett protest was upheld. Because the rule didn't even exist THEN. And even in the 70s, before the rule was taken off the books, it was NEVER supposed to result in an out for the batter. The call was simply to remove the bat from play, and allow the game to continue, with all hits from that batter still valid. In fact, the bat was given back to the batter and if he wanted to keep using it, he could quickly scrape the pine tar off the part that was beyond 18 inches.
US1776Patriot would he ever be considered one of the best hitters of all-time if not for the roids? However, without the roids he very well may have been the best all-around ballplayer of all time, back when he was fast enough to run down balls in the field and steal bases.
John Adams poor argument. Take away the home runs. Then guys like Wade Boggs, Tony Gwynn and Kirby Puckett are all unquestionably better hitters and played in the same era.
shred5 Yeah, it's beyond debate that he'd still be one of the best hitters ever without the steroids. Game of Shadows documented that he didn't start hitting the juice until the McGwire/Sosa race in 1998. By that time, he was a 3-time MVP, 7-time Gold Glove, and 7-time Silver Slugger, and typically leading the majors in walks and OBP. He was also routinely hitting over 30 HRs and averaging over 30 SBs a year *before* 1998, so your argument that we should take away HRs doesn't even hold water. Greatest hitter of all time? That's debatable. But it's simply not debatable that he would have still been a Hall of Famer without the steroids because he was a perennial MVP candidate and a dominant player before he started juicing--and if you talk to any professional baseball writer who's reported on the game the last 25 years, they'll tell you the same thing.
Factory Working Orphan he was an all around solid player before the roids. On the roids, his home runs went up, but he couldn't steal bases and lost range in the outfield because he was heavier and slower. Without the roids and no home run records, there's little argument to consider him one of the best hitters of all time though unless we're making a rather large list, that is beyond debate.
A lot of people comment that 'roids gave Barry strength but not skill. I don't agree. From 1986-2000, he hit over .320 only one time. Then, in 2004 he hit .370 with 46 home runs-- While everybody was pitching around him! In 2002, he hit .362 with 45 home runs. I imagine that, if he hadn't been swinging for power, he would have hit well over .500 those years. With strength comes coordination, especially when it comes to controlling a bat.
MikeB26 your ignorant steroids make you heal faster it you still must maintain workout shape AND skill does not come from steroids or there’d be a lot more people closer to the record go follow a sport you know about
If you think Griffey is PED clean, you're crazy. Once he quit the PEDs, he was never healthy again. Those great Seattle years, he was HGHin'. Like Bonds, he was never caught, neither flunked a test. Facts
Trey Diggz I didn't mention any specific player, so you must be talking about my saying using steroid's are cheating. Does that sum up your complaint. I mean other than you assume I am white.
he did steroids its obvious that he did but hes not the only one so we cant pin this whole thing on him look at others who have tested positive and those that have been found guilty and those who even admitted that they had used steroids in the past
He was in college, when I was 20yrs old in college I weighed 188lbs now I weigh 232 and never did Roids. People put on weight as their body develops and as they get older.
As a matter a fact they did. I use to wear a 7 1/4 baseball hat when I was in college and now I wear a 7 5/8 baseball hat. And my neck size was like a 16 inch in a dress shirt and now it's like 18 1/2.
What a stupid rule, if you allow pinetar at all; then where it is should not matter. He got screwed out of a home run. Of course, with 7 MVP's, 762 career HR's, 73 HR's in a season, 12 Silver Sluggers, 8 Gold Gloves and 14x All Star; it clearly didn't hold his career back.
No advantage. It was never considered cheating actually. It was always just a money saving rule. It wasn't like today where every time a ball touches the ground, it is taken out of play. Balls would continue to be used until they were so scuffed up that it would be dangerous to pitch them. They just didn't want bats that had pine tar so far up that they would hit the pitch on a part of the bat with pine tar and get the ball sticky and make it have to be tossed out. By the 80s, it was really an outdated rule that just was never thought about. While MLB didn't go through as many balls as it does now, they were starting to take more balls out of play. (However, players were still often fined a small amount by their team if they threw a ball into the stands even into the early 80s.) Like a lot of outdated rules (or laws) it takes a case of it being applied and fought to make the change for good. this is what happened with George Brett. It took the publicity from that incident for MLB to step back and say "I think we can spare the extra $10 or so to buy a couple extra balls per game if pine tar gets on it. Time to get rid of that rule." The NCAA obviously had less money than MLB so they were still wanting to save money into the 80s, even after MLB decided they no longer needed that rule since they were using more baseballs. But it was stupid for the NCAA rule to call the batter out. MLB never had that rule, even though umpires seemed to think they did. The penalty in MLB was simply that the batter was not allowed to use that bat unless he cleaned it up before his next at bat. (They were actually given the bat back.) But all at bats prior stood. Nobody was called out. That is why the Royals won their appeal when he was called out. The umpires had the penalty wrong.
And it had to be replayed from that point on later in the season, which the Royals won. But what gets lost in the entire episode is the magnificence of Billy Martin's game management. Love him or hate him, he knew the game and the rules. And he always was looking for an edge to win. He knew how to win. He wasn't a bad player either.
They didn't declare the bat legal. They just declared that the umpires got the rule wrong. Because the rule in MLB never called for the batter to be called out. They simply couldn't use that bat anymore, until they cleaned it. (Yes, they were given the bat back if they wanted to clean it up in the dugout before their next at bat.)
@@MusicGunn Billy Martin DIDN'T know the rules. If anything, he screwed himself by not knowing the penalty for this was NOTHING. This is why the appeal stood. Like the umpires, Martin was ignorant of the rules which did NOT call for the batter to be called out. So theoretically, if Martin felt he was gaining an advantage by using that bat, he should have pointed it out BEFORE the home run. Forcing Brett to use a bat he was not used to. And maybe he wouldn't have hit that home run in the first place.
His skinny years 1990-93... 3x MVP (also a 2nd place finish), 4 GG, 4 SS - he who needed steroids the least. Maybe the most unfortunate baseball story ever.
It isn't that people were intentionally putting pin tar all the way up their bat. It was just that bats (especially aluminum ones) were used for a LOT longer back then. They weren't made of the same material that they use in movies for the chairs that get smashed over people's hears or backs are. Like today's bats are. So good batters who rarely swung at pitches so far inside that they would hit the handle of the bat would often have the same bat for weeks. Maybe even months. Players had 10 bats for an entire season. So in the course course of dozens of games, the pine tar would go from the handle of the bat, to the hands/gloves of the batter, and then back to the bat whenever the batter touched the bat all. Look at some players' batting helmets. Absolutely covered in pine tar. It isn't as if they are putting the pine tar on their helmets directly.
Lived in Arizona most of my life. Pretty weird to see past right field and see nothing but dirt! Tempe has grown so much in 30 years!
Not even the same place anymore
that was amazing to see
Visited Grand Canyon on the Arizona side. Loved all that red brown dirt in Arizona
30 years? yeah I would think so
@@billbuyers8683 Lol
This is outrageous. Barry Bonds would never cheat!
Right! I dont feel sorry for him about his legacy being questioned by everybody. He has natural ability and would have made to hall of fame without all the steroids but naturally ability wasn't enough for him.
@@jamessmith-bw4nb yep. I’m a life long Giants fan going back to the early 80’s as a kid. He was the best all around player in baseball when he weighed a buck 80. He won 3 NL MVPs before he started juicing. He was a prick too which cemented his legacy I think more than anything. If he had treated people right he’d have got more leeway with the press. Mike Piazza for example admitted juicing, is in the hall of fame, and is beloved cuz he admitted to it and was a good dude.
@@j.h.7266 Ummm...no, little boy. Mike Piazza never once admitted juicing and there was never any even REMOTE evidence that he did. It was literally just someone who suggested he must be juicing.
Here is a tip, little boy. Don't try to bluff, especially on the internet. Because you can only bluff people that you are smarter than. So for you, that is nobody. And on the internet, to just say some random bullshit and think that people will just accept your word for it with no evidence is even worse.. But please, little child...prove me wrong. Show me some article where Mike Piazza "admitted to juicing." And when you can't find any article, come on back and say "You know what, I was a fucking idiot. I just made something up for attention."
@@KnickKnack07 Wow, you’re a piece of work... he admitted using androstenedione in his 2013 autobiography. That is a steroid. 👋 Bye Bye.
When did he cheat in major league baseball?
The green Easton bat and the black magic that came after were the best aluminum bats ever made
Ohhhh...so it was the pine tar that made his head the size of a 30 pound bowling ball
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No, that was flaxseed oil. (I couldn't help it)
hey quit talkin bad about my bowling ball ..... LOL
And Barry learned his lesson and never cheated again in baseball..... the end
i like Barry Bonds but thats pretty funny
Amen.
That was FUNNY !!!
Hey man. He just ate a balanced breakfast and increased his protein in take.
@Kealoha Ward You seriously are embarrassing yourself. And I think the saddest part of your life is that you actually thought you were making Republicans look bad with your post. But in reality, you only showed the world why you are such a lonely, lonely part middle aged man.
Can you imagine Barry Bonds with a metal bat? That's not even fair.
CNep99 & roids? People would've been killed. @ least 2 second basemen.
Zach V
Only 1 without them.
Zach V at least 2nd basemen? at least they have time to react, it's the pitchers, 1st, and 3rd basemen that would have to be aware
+Mooch-E less the third basemen. the ball never homes off the bat as hard opo.
+Patrick Kane no it comes hard off the bat and they pull it, the 3rd basemen would die instantly
no one remembers it because no one saw it lol
No asshole, millions of people saw it.
Steve Monty why would millions of people be watching a college baseball game
Actually forks baseball was very popular when Brock was there. Really great teams. Looks like about 2k or more fans there.
@@damonwatt4420 LMAO
No one saw it.
Crazy how Rural Rd and Rio Salado were a dry desert back then.
Yes I noticed that - strange.
I know, right. I played there briefly in 1985. I remember a guy named Ted Dyson hitting a HR during either a scrimmage or fall ball game onto Rural that hit a car.
Lol I saw the screencap and my first thought was "when did Bonds play for the Padres?"
In a alternative dimension
Joshua Chard me too lol
San Diego doesn't do "Barry Bonds type", we stay CLASSY!!
Barry Bonds had such a sweet swing...
Barry bonds,ken griffey jr,daryl strawberry all had effortless sweet swings
He is a sack of cat shit
@@Sceneyour Fresh or used?
@@rayrod2021 and the goat nuff said
@@rayrod2021 ok Barry bonds never tested positive for steroids, and in 1998 before he was suspected of using he had 3 mvps 8 gold gloves 7 silver sluggers 500 stolen bases 500 home runs. He was already the goat watch some baseball or grow up kid
I've just wasted two minutes of my life... again.
Wow. Riveting. On the edge of my seat for 2:34. Barry’s reaction after the call was crazy. Perhaps the greatest video I’ve ever witnessed.
Right? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
On that day, Barry Bonds told himself he would never cheat again.
@Kealoha Ward you embarrass yourself.
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I think it would be cool to have the MLB home run derby with aluminum bats one time.
great drive! i can barely see the pine tar lol.
Very interesting story! I do love stories about players before they were stars! I also think I spotted Will Clark in the dugout too! Cool story!
His dad Bobby also had five 30hr/30sb seasons in his career. Combined they had 1094 homeruns and 975 stolen bases!
Rule or not, I'd like to know if pine tar actually makes the ball go farther or not.
Even after the Brett incident, it has never really been proven if it does anything.
DISCO , you hit the ball and the sticky substance is now on it..... fielder cant throw it properly to first base because of a bad grip, gives advantage to batter. I'm guessing they had to draw a line somewhere .
Also protects the bat from damage on contact.
Hard to imagine Barry Bonds cheating.
When exactly did he cheat in major league baseball?
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What advantage does pine tar add in hitting? Better gripping?
Yup. That's it. It was never considered cheating actually. It was always just a money saving rule. It wasn't like today where every time a ball touches the ground, it is taken out of play. Balls would continue to be used until they were so scuffed up that it would be dangerous to pitch them. They just didn't want bats that had pine tar so far up that they would hit the pitch on a part of the bat with pine tar and get the ball sticky and make it have to be tossed out.
The NCAA obviously had less money than MLB so they were still wanting to save money. But it was stupid to call the batter out. MLB never had that rule, even though umpires seemed to think they did. The penalty in MLB was simply that the batter was not allowed to use that bat unless he cleaned it up before his next at bat. (They were actually given the bat back.) But all at bats prior stood. Nobody was called out. That is why the Royals won their appeal when he was called out. The umpires had the penalty wrong.
Bonds didn’t need steroids. He had enough natural talent and power to do quite well in the bigs.
Then why did he use steroids? He had natural talent but no brain
@@alo4912 He used them to achieve the career and single season Homerun record because he wasn't getting enough attention even though he was by far the best position player of the 1990s.
@@alo4912 Him not getting the attention he deserved in my opinion does not excuse him from his actions.
@@Jacobthekid28 I say any athlete over 30 that wants to use steroids w all the risks and trade offs involved, more power to them. If they've proven they have the skills to play in the bigs but they can get more out of their bodies w juice then who cares...let them all do it and the field is level. Like it was when Bonds started juicing, by the way.
@Greg Pettis Really because he hit 46 home runs in a season and hit 40+ Homers in a season in general 3 times without them
Can anybody explain to me the point of pine tar when you already have an aluminum bat and gloves? Hard to tell from the video but it looked like he already had a grip or at least tape on it
Thanks for the video. You don't see much footage of Barry at ASU. Let's be clear the though, the pine tar didn't hit that home run, Bary did! haha
Hard to imagine Barry Bonds cheating?!
Facts
never understood that rule
thats on the ASU manager .... hes the police for his ballclub.
Obviously in his first prime here. The natural one before his second prime at 36.
He had a 22 year career and averaged 135 games per season. No one ever factors in the fact he’s one of very few players that was consistently that good every season of his career and only missed ONE full season due to injury. He played in over 100 games every season of his career except 2005 when he was out with a knee injury. In 1999 in his next lowest games in a season he played 102 games and still had 34 homers and 20 doubles. There were only 4 seasons that he hit less than 25 HR one of those he hit 24 and he was consistent every year like a machine. Steroid, or the HGH that he used that again was legal in the MLB st the time, if anything later in his career helped him stay on the field but no amount of any foreign substance made him the hitter he was! Add in the fact that he had more career walks than hits , avg 116 BB per year and 31 IBB per year, and it makes the HR numbers even more incredible bc it means he rarely saw a good pitch but when he did he DID NOT miss! Steroids can’t make you that great at hitting! Most of the guys in the 500 HR club would have had close to what bonds has if they that long of a career or always been able to play!
pine tar has nothing to do with hitting a baseball
So the 18 inch baseball rule is made by stupid people I suppose? So you think someone who slathers pine tar on the barrel of the bat won't change the way he hits vs. someone who has a smooth surface? Please, share your knowledge.
Matt Smith Have you ever touched pine tar before? it will make it a better grip for fielders because it's sticky. I don't understand your logic of it being slippery when it's used to enhance your grip.
sychophantt the longer the ball is on the barrel of the bat the more energy that's transferred, I saw that somewhere before
sychophantt I think since it's sticky it creates more backspin on the ball if hit? And therefore makes it fly farther. I think that's what it is but I can't be sure
hitting a baseball with pine tar would not make a difference with the hit the reason that rule exist is made because pine tar is not allowed to get on the baseball so that is why the rule is made, pine tar on the barrel would actually probably make the ball fly less far because of the surface becoming more rough making it not fly through the air less smoothly and increase drag.
Jim Brocks wife was my business teacher at Scottsdale college.
Barry Bonds cheated? The hell you say!!
UofMichFan they said he is a cheater, what's so hard to understand?
Apparently, the sarcasm in my original post is what is too hard to understand...for you.
UofMichFan It's hard to understand sarcasm, when there are a bunch of people who don't think he cheated
Then for future reference when someone says "The hell you say!!" 99/100 it means the statement is sarcasm.
UofMichFan just like BRADY STR8 CHEATERS
What advantage does a hitter get from having pine tar above the mark?
None. It was never considered cheating actually. It was always just a money saving rule. It wasn't like today where every time a ball touches the ground, it is taken out of play. Balls would continue to be used until they were so scuffed up that it would be dangerous to pitch them. They just didn't want bats that had pine tar so far up that they would hit the pitch on a part of the bat with pine tar and get the ball sticky and make it have to be tossed out.
The NCAA obviously had less money than MLB so they were still wanting to save money, even after MLB decided they no longer needed that rule since they were using more baseballs. (However, even into the early 80s, players would still be fined a small amount for throwing a ball into the stands.) But it was stupid for the NCAA rule to call the batter out. MLB never had that rule, even though umpires seemed to think they did. The penalty in MLB was simply that the batter was not allowed to use that bat unless he cleaned it up before his next at bat. (They were actually given the bat back.) But all at bats prior stood. Nobody was called out. That is why the Royals won their appeal when he was called out. The umpires had the penalty wrong.
He learned early to cheat
Hammerin' Hank, the true home run king
How we know hank aaron didnt take ped
Its only cheating if u get cought
Wrong!
@@viciousdiablo4198
Because he's Hank Aaron.
When exactly did he cheat in major league baseball?
@@areguapiri He used the “clear”. It’s obvious; how else did Bonds, a skinny base stealer on the Pirates, turn into the Hulk at 40?
Wow! Where did you get this video footage?
Bonds hasn't changed at all in 30 years.
Jesus he was a kid every man in America is about 30 or 40 lbs heavier at 36 compared to 19 and 20
He was 19 idiot
Was in highschool that year and that was the same Easton bat everyone had. It was the best bat at the time. Now they're out of control ridiculous and worse than buying a golf club driver.
I played a lot of baseball. Don't care how many PEDS you take, either you can hit or you can't. Look at his lifetime average with those Hrs. He was one of the best pure hitters in the game. Like Babe Ruth.
“The wonder bra is a performance enhancer” Johnny Bench
yes, but when you can hit as good as he could, why cheat ? Ego ? Greed ? he wanted it all .... and his head was his biggest enemy.
What a beautiful swing
I'm pretty sure that was the most boring thing I've ever seen
@M soccer is the best sport ever but baseball is amazing!!!!!
What was Barry’s hat size back then?
Similar to what it is now. Probably 2 sizes less than it was 20 years ago. You know...how it naturally happens. Your head grows two sizes in your late 30s and early 40s. and then shrinks back down in your 50s.
6 1/2 🤣
i heard that barry bonds used corked forearms for his entire career
Greatest player of all time
Why weren't you able to have pine tar too far up the bat
+JohnnyB Because pine tar was ruining too many baseballs. It really didn't help the players hit the ball any better whatsoever.
+Tim Hallman oh ok thx and is that still a rule today
It's a stupid ass rule.
+Tim Hallman in a game where they use shitloads of baseballs anyway. Rediculous and probably not the official reason.
+spacedigger Yeah you're probably right that it's not the official reason but that's what I heard George Brett say in an interview and it seems they never gave a another explanation.
Smart coach didn't protest a base hit waiting for a homerun
Yep ... ! Stanford, right ? Brainiacs
But don't talk about the fact his head grew two times the size it was then
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Why was the appeal denied? I assume that the NCAA and MLB use the same rulebook which requires that the coach appeal prior to the at bat not afterwards.
Why would they use the same rulebook? And MLB didn't have that rule either. You could call for a bat check any time. And by then, MLB got rid of their pine tar rule ENTIRELY. Plus, even when the George Brett incident happened, it was never supposed to result in the batter being called out. THAT is why the Royals won their appeal and the home run ended up being reinstated. Not because the Yankees called for the check too late.
He cheated way back then too !
Here pretty late...packard is a construction site right now, that dirt field where bonds hit his HR is Scottsdale rd, and the devils now play at Phoenix municipal...cool to see the dirt lot
So the ballfield is gone now ? Don't know what Packard is .....
Everybody goes on and disses Barry Bonds so often. Barry is one of the greatest to ever play the game and certainly is one of the greatest hitters of all time.
I don't think anyone disputes that. He would've been a first-ballot HoF'er without ever touching roids, no doubt. Doesn't change the fact that he took them and ruined his legacy.
he was juiced up half the damn time he played
MLB Countdown he's a cheater fuck him he's worthless
A lot of you forget the incredible amount of SKILL it takes to hit a baseball at that level non the less hit a home run. The roids didn't change his SKILL, he probably gained about 10-30 feet taking roids as if it really mattered anyways
Bradan Perkins so can you explain too me why in a years time he went from being skinny as hell and being only an average batter and averaging only 20 homeruns a season to being jacked as hell and averaging 40+ homeruns a season in a years time
Jim Leyland as the 3rd base coach at the end of the clip.
PENTLAND
Bonds been cheating from the start smh
A real winner doesn't have to cry when the other team makes great plays.
He was already a hall of fame level player before roids
Going to be still considered one of tge greats tbh
Very true
So? That makes it worse. You could at least UNDERSTAND a player who keeps getting sent down to the minors trying to gain an unfair advantage. Trying to get that one big contract to provide security for his family. Bonds did it solely out of "The rules don't apply to me."
@@KnickKnack07 agree ..... he had an attitude with ANYONE of authority, he was mentally challanged.
Bonds learned his lesson after this ........ don't depend on equipment if you're gonna cheat
When did he cheat in major league baseball?
For every record he "broke", there should be a note..."he did it with growth enhancement pharmaceuticals".
Bonds was unreal.
Damn Barry Bonds what a skinny twig he was
Yeah pre steroid Bonds and Holyfield were not behemoths. They were not bulky. The thing that grew the most on them was their heads.
Yea he was 19, Griffey was also really skinny
How can pine tar past 18 inches on the bat have any advantage?
No advantage. It was never considered cheating actually. It was always just a money saving rule. It wasn't like today where every time a ball touches the ground, it is taken out of play. Balls would continue to be used until they were so scuffed up that it would be dangerous to pitch them. They just didn't want bats that had pine tar so far up that they would hit the pitch on a part of the bat with pine tar and get the ball sticky and make it have to be tossed out. By the 80s, it was really an outdated rule that just was never thought about. While MLB didn't go through as many balls as it does now, they were starting to take more balls out of play. (However, players were still often fined a small amount by their team if they threw a ball into the stands even into the early 80s.) Like a lot of outdated rules (or laws) it takes a case of it being applied and fought to make the change for good. this is what happened with George Brett. It took the publicity from that incident for MLB to step back and say "I think we can spare the extra $10 or so to buy a couple extra balls per game if pine tar gets on it. Time to get rid of that rule."
The NCAA obviously had less money than MLB so they were still wanting to save money into the 80s, even after MLB decided they no longer needed that rule since they were using more baseballs. But it was stupid for the NCAA rule to call the batter out. MLB never had that rule, even though umpires seemed to think they did. The penalty in MLB was simply that the batter was not allowed to use that bat unless he cleaned it up before his next at bat. (They were actually given the bat back.) But all at bats prior stood. Nobody was called out. That is why the Royals won their appeal when he was called out. The umpires had the penalty wrong.
@@KnickKnack07 Thank you so much for that detailed explanation!
Barry Bonds is the GOAT
Is there any actual advantage to having more than 18 inches of your bat covered in pine tar? Like I guess it might help for bunting but I don't think guys are super worried about losing their grip during a bunt.
No advantage. It was never considered cheating actually. It was always just a money saving rule. It wasn't like today where every time a ball touches the ground, it is taken out of play. Balls would continue to be used until they were so scuffed up that it would be dangerous to pitch them. They just didn't want bats that had pine tar so far up that they would hit the pitch on a part of the bat with pine tar and get the ball sticky and make it have to be tossed out. By the 80s, it was really an outdated rule that just was never thought about. While MLB didn't go through as many balls as it does now, they were starting to take more balls out of play. (However, players were still often fined a small amount by their team if they threw a ball into the stands even into the early 80s.) Like a lot of outdated rules (or laws) it takes a case of it being applied and fought to make the change for good. this is what happened with George Brett. It took the publicity from that incident for MLB to step back and say "I think we can spare the extra $10 or so to buy a couple extra balls per game if pine tar gets on it. Time to get rid of that rule."
The NCAA obviously had less money than MLB so they were still wanting to save money into the 80s, even after MLB decided they no longer needed that rule since they were using more baseballs. But it was stupid for the NCAA rule to call the batter out. MLB never had that rule, even though umpires seemed to think they did. The penalty in MLB was simply that the batter was not allowed to use that bat unless he cleaned it up before his next at bat. (They were actually given the bat back.) But all at bats prior stood. Nobody was called out. That is why the Royals won their appeal when he was called out. The umpires had the penalty wrong.
Roids or not they dont help you actually HIT a 95mph baseball. Just a fact.
Again to all the worthless little welfare boys...if you have no idea what you are talking about, please stay out of the conversation so you don't embarrass your mommy and daddy.
Are you really so fucking stupid that you don't see how having a quicker bat speed helps you hit a fastball? Or how being able to hit a ball 25 feet farther might turn flyouts into home runs?
Look..I know you have zero education. And zero job skills. No street smarts.But don't you have ANY ability that might help you get off welfare for once in your life? You can't sell drugs your whole life. Thankfully, most of you get killed before you are 30. FINALLY contributing to society by leaving it. I'm just happy you are about to lose your food stamps.
no but they help you turn that fly out to the warning track into a HR
KnickKnack07 Do you even know how steroids work? Im not even going to touch on the other goofy shit you mentioned
Also, Bonds was taking HGH (human growth hormone) during his big home run years in MLB. He actually discovered that HGH reverses the normal degeneration of the human eye; as a result, at age 36 he could see the ball through eyes that were just like an 18 year old's. I'm pretty sure that helped him out a bit. In addition, getting some real expensive body armor, wearing it on your right elbow, and then standing 4 inches from the plate made it impossible to get him out with a strike on the outside corner. And he got away with that because "He's Barry Bonds."
Actually they do. They increase bat speed and mental focus. Thus helping you see and hit baseballs better. Roids don't just help you hit more homers, but for average as well. They also help you run faster and recover from previous games faster.
The only reason I use a metal bat is because I'm tired of wooden ones breaking especially with me being a power hitter. I like the classic sound of the wooden bat connecting with the ball more
Being a power hitter doesn't make you break more bats. Being a bad contact hitter does. Doesn't matter how hard you swing, if you connect in the sweet spot, your bat will never break. But a 98 pound weakling will break a bat if he hits it off his hands.
Bonds looks like a completely different person pre-steroids.
Do you still have the same body you had at 19?
Well yeah he was only late teens
Yea dude was 19 look at Griffey at the same age they both skinny asl cause I know y’all Barry haters love to compare the two
Oh come on...EVERYBODY'S head grows 2 hat sizes in their late 30s and then shrinks back down in the late 40s.
@@michaelhunziker7287 You aren't that fucking stupid, right? It is exactly the OPPOSITE of what is natural. You don't gain all that muscle in your 40s.
Why the fuck would you embarrass yourself with that comment?
Damn .... Sure isn't desert around that field anymore.
Still the greatest hitter ever. All sports are riddled with "cheaters"
Not even in the top 3...
he could have been ..... to immature
Barry Bonds hitting with an aluminum bat is a terrifying thought
it wasn't the bat, steroids did the job
I’m pretty sure the guy been hitting home runs since he was 15
Barry Bonds had some nappy hair back in the days lmao 😂.
AZ native here! That is odd to see that Karsten’s is nothing but dirt.
These coaches don't give a dam how high the pine tar is if you make an out. Hypocritical
impassable No.. Why would anyone in their right mind argue something in their favor
MaddenGuy Cause if they're so against it and it bothers them so much why don't they come out and point it out at the beginning of the at bat. They're hypocrites, if he makes an out they're fine with it, if he gets a hit now all of a sudden they're indignant
impassable Yep. This is baseball. People are competitive, they aren't going to argue something unless it goes against them. That's just how baseball and life works.
a lot of people don't know this but the sun devils had a prospect then that was even more highly rated then bonds his name oddibe mcdowell drafted by the rangers and rushed in to the bigs and never fully developed his game sad great college player the late Jim Brock was the coach may he rip.
I remember him, short powerpack, believe he was like 5'9". yes they pushed him, teams started drafting him before he ever got to ASU. He was a motorscooter ......
barry bonds is one of the greatest hitters of all time
Barry Bonds is fake and gay~
DiggityDave83 you would know what gay is cuz you are gay
DiggityDave83 im actually white you dumbfuck
He is also one of the biggest Roid users of all time
Bonds represents everything wrong in America. Everything that Hillary Clinton is; a liar, a cheat and a nasty person.
Why wasn't the same eventual ruling that was used for Bretts' homerun used for Bonds' homerun? The logic that the pine tar doesn't change the competitive balance would seem to apply in BOTH cases. Maybe there is more to this that I don't know.
cheater from the start!!
Bonds using an aluminum bat-Terrifying!
The cheater Barry Bonds
DisappearingBoy Just like TOM BRADY STR8 CHEATERS
Barry was thin, before ROIDS made his body bugger than all outdoors. I do miss seeing Barry's at bats. Most folks will never appreciate how good of an eye he had for the ball.
He is like 20-22 here. Of course he’s skinny.
He worked out for mass. No roids.
HE didn't appreciate his gifts .... thats why he cheated.
MMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!! ROIDS!!!!!!
Cool. His choking up on the bat and swing was the same throughout his whole career.
who the fuck cares if the whole bat was drenched in the stuff?
ryan phillips i agree
They complain that it can ruin the ball if it gets pine tar all over it. But ever since '95 when they made the rule that every ball on the ground has to be thrown out of play after the play it probably means nothing anymore.
thats the shit I don't understand. When a new ball is taken out its packaged its soaked in dirt to take away the slippery residue. So if the ball is hit in the dirt, then just wipe it clean.
MetsGiants...that rule was taken out of baseball LONG before 1995. That is why the George Brett protest was upheld. Because the rule didn't even exist THEN. And even in the 70s, before the rule was taken off the books, it was NEVER supposed to result in an out for the batter. The call was simply to remove the bat from play, and allow the game to continue, with all hits from that batter still valid. In fact, the bat was given back to the batter and if he wanted to keep using it, he could quickly scrape the pine tar off the part that was beyond 18 inches.
Scoop..there is a big difference between sticky pine tar and dirt.Dirt is not going to change the aerodynamics of the ball.
Bonds 2:03 receding ass hairline at 19 years old.
That coach just wanted to find a way for his team to win, no doubt a stupid rule though. Bonds still greatest hitter of all time
US1776Patriot would he ever be considered one of the best hitters of all-time if not for the roids? However, without the roids he very well may have been the best all-around ballplayer of all time, back when he was fast enough to run down balls in the field and steal bases.
Yes he would have because you can have all the muscle mass in the world but he had a special hand eye coordination to hit that ball
John Adams poor argument. Take away the home runs. Then guys like Wade Boggs, Tony Gwynn and Kirby Puckett are all unquestionably better hitters and played in the same era.
shred5 Yeah, it's beyond debate that he'd still be one of the best hitters ever without the steroids. Game of Shadows documented that he didn't start hitting the juice until the McGwire/Sosa race in 1998. By that time, he was a 3-time MVP, 7-time Gold Glove, and 7-time Silver Slugger, and typically leading the majors in walks and OBP. He was also routinely hitting over 30 HRs and averaging over 30 SBs a year *before* 1998, so your argument that we should take away HRs doesn't even hold water. Greatest hitter of all time? That's debatable. But it's simply not debatable that he would have still been a Hall of Famer without the steroids because he was a perennial MVP candidate and a dominant player before he started juicing--and if you talk to any professional baseball writer who's reported on the game the last 25 years, they'll tell you the same thing.
Factory Working Orphan he was an all around solid player before the roids. On the roids, his home runs went up, but he couldn't steal bases and lost range in the outfield because he was heavier and slower.
Without the roids and no home run records, there's little argument to consider him one of the best hitters of all time though unless we're making a rather large list, that is beyond debate.
A lot of people comment that 'roids gave Barry strength but not skill. I don't agree. From 1986-2000, he hit over .320 only one time. Then, in 2004 he hit .370 with 46 home runs-- While everybody was pitching around him! In 2002, he hit .362 with 45 home runs. I imagine that, if he hadn't been swinging for power, he would have hit well over .500 those years. With strength comes coordination, especially when it comes to controlling a bat.
MikeB26 your ignorant steroids make you heal faster it you still must maintain workout shape AND skill does not come from steroids or there’d be a lot more people closer to the record go follow a sport you know about
Griffey > Bonds
PV5150II Bonds > Griffey
Griffey > Bonds
MJ>Griffey>Bonds
Griffey > Bonds | Griffey < Roid Bonds
If you think Griffey is PED clean, you're crazy. Once he quit the PEDs, he was never healthy again. Those great Seattle years, he was HGHin'. Like Bonds, he was never caught, neither flunked a test. Facts
Steroids can't help you hit a baseball, nuff said
Well, they can't help you make contact. They do help you hit it harder once you have made good contact. It is cheating.
TXGUNNER! I agree with you 💯
Trey Diggz
What exactly was I discrediting?
Trey Diggz
I didn't mention any specific player, so you must be talking about my saying using steroid's are cheating. Does that sum up your complaint.
I mean other than you assume I am white.
Bat speed is way faster!
Barry Bonds 60 pounds lighter... hmmmm
Andrew LaChapelle and 20yrs younger
Yea he was 19 you don’t start putting on real muscle until your 25 idiot
Bonds*
Such a stupid rule that's not cheating.
US1776Patriot No but its in the rule book as a major infraction obviously.
Says Bonds ... LOL
What's the advantage of using a substance that would hinder distance if in contact with the ball? Pine tar is STICKY, not springy.
The advantages or disadvantages are a different argument. It is a rule, if you don't like the rule it should be changed, not ignored.
Bonds? Cheating? ...Never.
he did steroids its obvious that he did but hes not the only one so we cant pin this whole thing on him look at others who have tested positive and those that have been found guilty and those who even admitted that they had used steroids in the past
lol
lmao
Look at how small he was back then
He was in college, when I was 20yrs old in college I weighed 188lbs now I weigh 232 and never did Roids. People put on weight as their body develops and as they get older.
As a matter a fact they did. I use to wear a 7 1/4 baseball hat when I was in college and now I wear a 7 5/8 baseball hat. And my neck size was like a 16 inch in a dress shirt and now it's like 18 1/2.
If you eat enough pizza that's what happens.
He was 19 of course he was small
That looks like one of those crappy bats that the batting cages have to use if you don’t have your own bat.
What a stupid rule, if you allow pinetar at all; then where it is should not matter. He got screwed out of a home run. Of course, with 7 MVP's, 762 career HR's, 73 HR's in a season, 12 Silver Sluggers, 8 Gold Gloves and 14x All Star; it clearly didn't hold his career back.
Beyond centerfield looks like a scene from Mad Max
How is pine tar on the handle going to make you hit the ball better?
It helps you grip better which translates into a faster bat which translates to longer distances, and pine tar smell activates the brain
No advantage. It was never considered cheating actually. It was always just a money saving rule. It wasn't like today where every time a ball touches the ground, it is taken out of play. Balls would continue to be used until they were so scuffed up that it would be dangerous to pitch them. They just didn't want bats that had pine tar so far up that they would hit the pitch on a part of the bat with pine tar and get the ball sticky and make it have to be tossed out. By the 80s, it was really an outdated rule that just was never thought about. While MLB didn't go through as many balls as it does now, they were starting to take more balls out of play. (However, players were still often fined a small amount by their team if they threw a ball into the stands even into the early 80s.) Like a lot of outdated rules (or laws) it takes a case of it being applied and fought to make the change for good. this is what happened with George Brett. It took the publicity from that incident for MLB to step back and say "I think we can spare the extra $10 or so to buy a couple extra balls per game if pine tar gets on it. Time to get rid of that rule."
The NCAA obviously had less money than MLB so they were still wanting to save money into the 80s, even after MLB decided they no longer needed that rule since they were using more baseballs. But it was stupid for the NCAA rule to call the batter out. MLB never had that rule, even though umpires seemed to think they did. The penalty in MLB was simply that the batter was not allowed to use that bat unless he cleaned it up before his next at bat. (They were actually given the bat back.) But all at bats prior stood. Nobody was called out. That is why the Royals won their appeal when he was called out. The umpires had the penalty wrong.
His whole body is smaller then his head later became
MLB overturned the umpire's decision on Brett's home run and declared that the bat legal and the home run stood.
And it had to be replayed from that point on later in the season, which the Royals won.
But what gets lost in the entire episode is the magnificence of Billy Martin's game management. Love him or hate him, he knew the game and the rules. And he always was looking for an edge to win. He knew how to win. He wasn't a bad player either.
They didn't declare the bat legal. They just declared that the umpires got the rule wrong. Because the rule in MLB never called for the batter to be called out. They simply couldn't use that bat anymore, until they cleaned it. (Yes, they were given the bat back if they wanted to clean it up in the dugout before their next at bat.)
@@MusicGunn Billy Martin DIDN'T know the rules. If anything, he screwed himself by not knowing the penalty for this was NOTHING. This is why the appeal stood. Like the umpires, Martin was ignorant of the rules which did NOT call for the batter to be called out.
So theoretically, if Martin felt he was gaining an advantage by using that bat, he should have pointed it out BEFORE the home run. Forcing Brett to use a bat he was not used to. And maybe he wouldn't have hit that home run in the first place.
The Arizona State Seminole Vesicles
George Brett's out was also called back
His skinny years 1990-93... 3x MVP (also a 2nd place finish), 4 GG, 4 SS - he who needed steroids the least. Maybe the most unfortunate baseball story ever.
Just like roger Clemens.
I remember it from the first time when you said I didn't remember
as an umpire, I fail to see the advantage of pine tar 18 inches up the bat, when you only grip the bottom 8 or 10 inches. Learn and follow the rules.
The bat was only illegal because it didn't have the required stripe on the bat 18" up. Nothing to do with pine tar on his particular bat.
It isn't that people were intentionally putting pin tar all the way up their bat. It was just that bats (especially aluminum ones) were used for a LOT longer back then. They weren't made of the same material that they use in movies for the chairs that get smashed over people's hears or backs are. Like today's bats are. So good batters who rarely swung at pitches so far inside that they would hit the handle of the bat would often have the same bat for weeks. Maybe even months. Players had 10 bats for an entire season. So in the course course of dozens of games, the pine tar would go from the handle of the bat, to the hands/gloves of the batter, and then back to the bat whenever the batter touched the bat all.
Look at some players' batting helmets. Absolutely covered in pine tar. It isn't as if they are putting the pine tar on their helmets directly.
@@KnickKnack07 Current college players use a wide variety of bats. A large percentage of them are more than a season old.
Barry seemed to take it a little better than George.