THE INDIGO DISC DLC TIER LIST...
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Today we rank the newly released DLC pokemon in the indigo disc DLC!
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MY BOY BETTER BE AT THE TOP
edit: DANGIT I’LL MAKE HIM WORK YOULL SEE
I was going to say who is your boy then I looked at the name
RIP ramprdos
I love rampardos myself, so hopefully he’ll work
I respect the grind
the mon must be good it has a whole theorem 😶
Every calc I do is "This doesn't one-shot Incin?" and "Raging Bolt does how much/takes that little?"
Bruh, standard assault vest iron hands drain punch barely 3 shots bulky Incin after an intimidate.
@@Endershock1678 I can barely comprehend how bulky Incin is
I have resorted to Silk Scarf Hyper Beam Porygon-Z, Tera ghost if I need to bypass fake out.
@@commandergs1390 I was just thinking about running Z as a nuke to blast some of these fat Mons
Crowns Incineroar as lone S tier gigachad.
Refuses to elaborate.
Leaves.
Omg how could you do this to my precious megainium! CANCELLED!!!
Meganinium checks 80% of the metagame if you think about it
DISLIKE BOTS COMING RIGHT UP
The only way they could make it better is by adding mega that adds the ice type and giving it only defensive stats
Lmfao😂
@@WeirdMagnusand then dies to a fire blitz from incineroar
Absurdly curious if hitmontop could have the smallest of niches cuz he’s like, maybe the only “passable” support mon with upper hand? Know we were all hyped for that move in particular only for it to get no distribution where it mattered, but maybe hitmontop could cook??????
I mean, Hitmontop is in the Good Tier, so that should tell you a little bit
I feel like Poliwrath MAY be another one. Poliwrath's Upper Hand is able to stop Incin's Fake Out and pretty much anyone else's while under Rain. And with Clear Amulet, it can hit Incineroar hard with both stabs and prevent him from pivoting out with Parting Shot
Idk about VGC, but unburden + psychic seed, endure, reversal, SD, throat chop is actually a pretty cool anti-meta pick. Or you can run endure + weakness policy, reversal, upper hand, throat chop and coverage since sneasler is the only thing that out speeds and you can't use priority
One thing of note is that Slaking and Regigias got double edge for the first time in the dlc as a tm so we haven't seem what they can do with stab better than body slam. Likely still copium tho since keeping weezing alive is a problem.
Keeping Wheezing alive is easy tbh. Thing is tanky af. I think Gigas is gonna be better than Slacking due to having Wide Guard.
Smeargle pottentially wants burning bullwark over spiky shield this gen, depending on how many taunters it runs into
Feel like malamar could be a closed team sheet menace because it has skillswap contrary this gen so could give a one of the eon duo contrary and have them click deco metro Probably pretty bad though
I feel like there’s room to make it work on something
Honestly, Skill Swap Contrary into a lot of potential partners with anything from Draco to Headlong rush seems funny.... I'd do a team with at least 2 if not 3 good contrary users... Good? I didn't say that. Do I wanna do it anyway? Kinda.
If you skill swap a mon with protosynthesis, do they keep the boost?
@@FistingGuru you can't get rid of the paradox abilities
Someone made a contrary Hydrapple with Draco meteor set with Malamar, and it looked amazing
Pretty sure Metagross will run Hard Press as it's steel of choice now. There are very few instances where Heavy Slam will KO while neither Hard Press or Bullet Punch are able to, and it will much more reliably be 120 base power.
no meteor mash?
@@SamStarbucker Nah. When the opponent is full HP, Hard Press is 50% stronger and 100% accurate vs Meteor Mash's 90, and stays stronger until they are at 67%. Especially if you are also running Bullet Punch, the situations where you'd rather Meteor Mash than either of those options are niche enough to warrant avoiding the move.
They also got psychic fangs and knock off for the first time
Actually, from what I saw on Bulbapedia, both Crush Grip and Hard Press have capped their damage at 100 rather than 120
Hard press caps at 100bp and metagross is like 1250 lbs so heavy slam is 120bp against 95% of things
Not to be that guy or anything, but serp has some sets where it can sweep with Tera fire. Leaf storm allows you to invest a bit more in other stats aside from special attack, including bulk to allow it to survive from way too many things. Also ability shield serp combined with weezing is weirdly good, i reccomend it.
I’ve been testing with tera ground personally and i’m a big fan
@@mattkenney1491 imo Tera fire is slightly better, as it works both defensively and offensively, with ground pretty much only helping grass offensively, but both are good
I’ve seen some success with stellar tera, I’ve paired Serperior with Thundurus where I can eerie impulse myself for a boost and blow something up. It’s a very fun team.
@@thej73 that’s an interesting strat, might try that myself lol
The full team I used was Serperior, Thundurus, Incineroar, Latios, Flutter Mane, and Urshifu. Thundurus does surprisingly well into Raging Bolt with eerie impulse and taunt but struggles against double giraffe and needs to be careful around Kingambit. Urshifu is tera grass swords dance since it helps with that matchup. Latios is standard life orb attacker with tailwind and tera fire to tank flutter mane. Serperior has Protect, Leaf Storm, Tera Blast, and Glare. The neutral coverage on a boosted tera blast is very useful and picking off terastalized targets is also very valuable. I also run the focus sash item on it so it can always live a hit. Good luck with the strat!
I feel like Vileplume could be a pretty good supportive pokemon. It gets access to moves like sleep powder, strength sap, pollen puff, acid spray, sunny day, teeter dance, helping hand, and after you. It can run effect spore and rocky helmet to punish pokemon like urshifu and incineroar for trying to attack you. However I will admit that Vileplume has a pretty bad speed stat and only okay bulk. Probably not gonna be meta defining or anything but it can definitely have a niche
Are people still using it with Torkoal to get sun-boosted after you eruptions off?
@@borismuller86 No, it did do that in pre-dlc gen 8. hisuian lilligant is a faster chlorophyll user with after you, so in most cases it's just better to use that.
Vileplume has never been great in VGC, I’m more interested in how it does in singles. It’s been on the rise in last few gens so let’s hope that trend continues.
@@discodeath8425 I don't play singles but I heard that Vileplume is pretty good in lower tiers
They really need to give Vileplume something new to help it differentiate from Venusaur and Amoonguss. I think Triage would be a cool ability for it
Confused how venusaur and meganium still don’t have pollen puff and rage powder.
Every day I mourn the loss of that fake leak that claimed Golurk would get Hypnosis. It would've been the funniest Spore mon in VGC
I’m real mad that Raging Bolt and Gouging Fire are one of a kind. I’ve got Violet and don’t have the time or cash to buy and grind through Scarlet and get them. No shot on someone just gifting them to me or trade for them or some such. I’m hoping we get Raids for them, but I’m too much of a cynic to hold my breath.
Yeah, when it comes to paradox mons, Scarlet definitely got the better deal. It´s truly a shame that the new ones are just one-per-savefile, so there is only small chance you will find somebody who is willing to trade his, especialy since they are also very good competitively.
If you want Raging Bolt and Gouging Flame you could use AustinJohns trade codes for version exclusives
berichandev on twitch can get them for you
Simple solution
Genning
I got mine the GTS, there's a lot of people trading them for iron boulder/crown to fill the dex. Only problem is that now you don't have those, but you can get them again from another save file
Bro, Tera Water Araquanid is insane. In rain, while Tera, holding Mystic Water, with Water Bubble and STAB, its Liquidation is 1,224 base power, without type multipliers. It’s a 6.3% roll to OHKO Abomasnow with max Attack
I knew incineroar was a menace, I love incineroar's shiny, I caught it, trained competitve wise (exactly like other gens but + knock off (how did it get buffed???)), and damn, no attack investment and it's still *that* high. He deserves the throne.
i feel like blastoise should get either swift swim or the more unlikely case, drizzle to actually give it a niche
I feel like mega launcher would be the perfect thing for it I know it was its mega evo ability it would boost pulse moves to be pretty strong on a bulky mon while also being able to hold a item
Latios has been my favorite Pokémon for decades, and I’m happy luster purge finally got buffed. I’ve been running Tera electric with thunderbolt to get rid of his billion weaknesses from his typing, and stab thunderbolt has been pretty useful for dealing with all the water types I’ve been coming across
1:41 is a part of the video nobody seemed to watch
Edit: btw really good list! My playthrough team was luckily out of good luck entirely.
It's funny that everyone is I see telling Stella Tera is bad only talks about the buffs and completely ignores the ability to snipe teralyzed Pokémon.
Like it was a minor thing, but it's the mechanics core.
yay moxie boosted video :D
Agreed
one buff i wish they would of done is give regice iron defence it would have made it viable with body press, even if it is just a little
Intimidate Malamar huh? I do hope someone does fun stuff with Contrary Skill Swap at least!
Somebody ran contrary Malamar with hydrapple for stat boosting draco meteors, looked pretty fun
Golurk gets Klutz and Trick to put Assault Vest onto supports like Torn :^)
I know it sucks but more importantly, its funny.
Metagross with Hard Press plus bullet punch is really good
I think Latias is still slept on. It’s a bulky Tailwind setter with recovery, good STAB, and coverage. Unlike most other Tailwind setters, it can live a couple of hits with not that much investment. Pair that with Rocky Helmet and you have a bulky monster.
Not to mention it can basically wall Urshifu-Rapid.
Hate how lanturn gets everything you would want a bulky pivot to have and stats hold it back from ever being what we want it to be.
I can see smeargle running burning bulwark instead of spiky shield
I will say that one point in Archaludon‘s favor is that it’s a rain abuser that is extremely strong against Raging Bolt, giving Torn-Ursh teams another way to deal with one of their hard counters
What’s the Pokémon that can’t be named??
Glad to see the Scarlet paradoxes are better yet again 😤🙏
I know Minior is not great, but I really want to climb the ladder with him. I think it could be decent next to clefairy. Redirect for shell smash and then you have a fast rock slide with a rather bulky mon. Not saying it is great, but I am thinking about it.
I mean Minior is pretty fun, definitely recommend It for an Alolan themed team or something like that :0
not trying to be that guy but i think vileplume can be a solid sun supporter. It gets sleep powder, after you and helping hand which can be really helpfull if youre looking for a bulky sun supporter that doesent get hit by urshifu to hard and can kinda deal with it due to strenght sap. It is competing with venusaur and hisuian liligant so it will be very niche but its worth a mention
while i cannot agree more with cinccinos placement it does get tidy up which (assuming it lives the turn) does let it outspeed and ohko quite a few goobers which is a set ive been having fun with
it does outspeed and ohko scarf rapid urshifu with a bullet seed after tidy up which i think is really funny
AV Hitmontop is crazy to me. I always use him as a wide guard/helping hand user
"This is my second time doing this because I forgot to record the first time" 💀
"BuT dRaGoN cHeEr?!!☝️🤓" took me out🤣🤣🤣
Archaludon's Mid speed and 100 attack is really wasted
i wish they just made him an all round bulky trick room Rain abusing nuke
You are correct.
That 100 attack stat is literally worthless.
10 or more points on Sp Def would of made a hell of a difference.
Assault Vest is the only thing that can make it worthwhile.
B.Ursaluna has the same problem.
My guy, skarm never lives in the bottom. I've learned that painful lesson before.
In vgc it does
@@MoxieBoosted my bad
Sucks that the in game description for water bubble does not say it doubles water moves.
Man I was literally typing my Kingdra Dragon Cheer comment right as he said that somebody will say that in the comments 😔
As a noob to competitive, I've heard you mention "bumps" a couple of times when referencing EVs, can you explain a bit about that? For reference, you mentioned hitting an attack bump on adamant Gouging Fire at 196. What makes that a bump, exactly?
Basically every few EVs you get 2 more points instead of 1
What do you mean Meganium’s not good????? I used Rocky Helmet and it beat uh- it 1v1s Urshifu…
Dragonite and H-Arcanine gettin funky in the daycare
Iron Boulder is a great contender for Clear Amulet. He immediately threatens H-Arc, Incin, and genies and doesn't have to worry about intimidate cycling.
The real juicer tech though is running scope lens dragon tera with dragon cheer Sceptile next to him
32:51 dynamic punch
I'm sorry, but there's no way any Smeargle would ever run Spiky Shield now that Burning Bulwark exists.
Bulwark doesn't guard from status like taunt
@@MoxieBoostedFair enough, didn't know that.
Saying "nothing flinches this guy" about Gouging Fire seems a bit silly though, with the primary user of Fake Out being Incineroar. Don't think the king is scared of burns.
@@ewormXD it's can't flinch it without the partner getting hit by 150 BP fire move
@@MoxieBoosted What do you mean? If Gouging Fire goes for Burning Bulwark, it doesn't flinch, but it also doesn't attack and Incineroar isn't punished with a burn. If it goes for an attack, Fake Out causes it to flinch instead.
What is the one getting copyright struck
18:20 As someone who has tried Dragon Cheer + Sniper Kingdra, I will say... this thing is not worth it lmao, it has quite a few problems
This is a format with a lot of Dragon types and Flutter Mane is still everywhere (And, as you said in the vid, Bundle is also relevant). This makes Kingdra really want to Tera ASAP (personally think it likes Tera Steel + Flash Cannon), but the problem is that with the way Dragon Cheer works, Kingdra needs to be a Dragon at the time Dragon Cheer is used to get the +2 Crit instead of +1, meaning you will need at least one turn of Kingdra being a dragon to get the most value out of it (Which, in other words, just means you are kinda forced to run Protect). Not just that, but after Kingdra terastalizes, if it switches out at any point in the match it will lose its +2 Crit as well, with any subsequent Cheer giving it only +1
That aside, if you are running Kingdra for Dragon Cheer, you are most likely running Sniper, which in turn means you're passing on Swift Swim, so you're stuck with Kingdra's base 85 Speed. This means Kingdra will not only need Dragon Cheer support, it will also need some sort of speed control support (one could try to make a case for agility, but you're already locking one moveslot to Protect and it runs into the exact same issues Swift Swim would've, but with a way higher cost of a moveslot)
And even all that said... what are you using Dragon Cheer on? The only decent support options I've found with this move are Milotic, Gyarados, Hisuian Goodra, maybe Dragapult if you value the speed (and in this specific case of Kingdra, Iron Jugulis gets Tailwind so one could try that to patch up the aforementioned speed issues with Kingdra); but I feel like all the mons that get this move don't really want to drop any of their current options just to give an ally increased crit.
In other words, "Yeah sure I guess" is absolutely appropriate for Kingdra. If you really wanna use Dragon Cheer, you're better off pairing it with either a fast special Dragon that wants to spam Draco Meteor or with a mon that has moves with high crit like Ogerpon. Kingdra ain't it
Damn, my boy Zebstrika didn’t even get a name drop. Just thrown in the trash in the same breath as Emboar 😢
im sorry, meganium fans
252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Meganium in Rain on a critical hit: 63-72 (33.6 - 38.5%) -- approx. 3HKO
I dont know about any calcs but malamar has skill swap with contrary. Just something interesting.
Water bubble plus wave crash….imagine that’d be so sick
i took the BOoOoOLT,
to pooortland🎶
The thing about Kingdra this gen is that it can run physical sets since it got Dragon Dance and a lot of new physical moves (no good dragon STAB tho)
But generally it's still meh..
Btw Bastiodon got Foul Play xD
I’ve been using dewgong with Fake out, Flip turn, Play rough and ice spinner with Tera fairy assault vest and it’s been doing pretty good
I want to defend Iron Crown because its my Favorite, but it was pretty fairly rated from an unbiased opinion
I can't believe you said Cosmog was F tier, my rocky helmet Cosmog set can 1v1 Urshifu.... probably. Let me cook.
I think you’re right about Hydrapple. I wish it was better but I think it just isn’t spectacular, in this format at least.
Which Pokemon is hidden?
meganium is absolutely in the correct tier, but the moveset strays are uncalled for. bro gets swords dance since gen 2, having a niche in its debut gen because of it. meganium bros stand strong, gen 10 will give him an ability that grants an omniboost on switch in and it’ll still be ass
The fact that they buffed incineroar is wild to me
Who’s the pokemon who can’t be named? I’m lost.
keep up the work work
justice for granbull and cinccino lmao
Whats "the attack bump"? I noticed you talked abt it on a few mons. Ive only been playing for about a year, and i dont know many of the concepts that pro players do
Smeargle ought to be able to run Burning Bulwark instead of Spiky Shield.
burning bulwark doesn’t block status
31:21 you could also be evil with encore+taunt and make it struggle
I can’t believe this tier list doesn’t follow standard distribution smh. Statistics isn’t a joke
When can I use Gouging fire in ranked?
They should give Blastoise that pulse ability that clauncher gets!
Can't wait for someone to pull up with the niche off-meta pick and win a regional
32:58 Me thinking about all the times i got bullied in the school bathroom ( i was cringe)
Funny thing is that megainium got swords dance naturally in gen 2, while gatr didn’t
Great video, however you made a mistake and forgot to put Dewgong in S tier. Hope this helps!
I love Dewgong, too. I find myself reaching for it a lot more than I thought I would with fake out, haze, and icy wind for speed control. Not the best, but it performs a lot better than I thought it would
What New Pokémon he can't talk about in this video I'm confused 😮😮😮😮
Looking forward to using electivire this gen!! It’s gonna have a comeback
Can you run burning bulwark on smeargle instead of smiky shield now?
Yes but it won't stop taunt
Ah it doesn't protect against status moves. Thanks!
Bruh watch people are gonna use stellar serperior. It’s just OP AF
Which pokemon cant he talk about?
Won't smeargle run burning bulwark?
Kingdra gets Scald so that's something it has going for it
C is a tough tier classification... there's a few in there like Smeargle and Excadrill who really are a cut above the rest.
Also, don't sleep on Blaziken, it's one of the best users of Upper Hand with resists on both Incineroar and Rillaboom, plus can be run physical or special! (Its only problem is that the Fire-type slot is pretty hotly contested.)
So whos the invisible pokemon? Sorry if this is a dumb question
You're telling me Plusle isn't going to dethrone Incinceroar this format? I dunno man, I have a hard time believing that.
Who is the shall not be named? Peachy boy?
Serperior ive seen her a lot, should be A
I like cookin for C
Wooooo my Boi Grillz! (Incinaroar). Sucks for Emboar though
Damn my boy Entei right up there
Smeargle with Burning Bulwark?
How can you sleep on shell smash blastoise Tera water?!
Well shit, looks like I'm gonna try my best to make Regice work
What is the extent of open sheets now? They know your team and their tera types? Is that it?
What Pokémon is blocked?
Who is the invisible Pokémon?
What was the copyright mon?
Im still going to try and use Quaquavale in a team along with Serperior 🙌🏼 somehow... 😂
Does anyone remember the days of SD Vileplume?