She was an amazing person it’s such a shame that her children and her spouse became what they became. Not particularly appetizing people. But she was a wonder.
Very tragic how early she died. And very tragic how how her children were involved with Mosley. He was scum. Having affair with a stepmother and a sister?
I was watching a documentary about the dollar princesses and that the story lord and lady Curzon were somewhat based on the characters for Cora and Robert crawley. I guess the story of lady Curzon and her husband brought to television a wonderful story.
You always do such a great job on reasearching and narrating these videos! I should tell you how much I appreciate them more often. Since the deliberate dumbing down agenda has done its intended job so well, this channel is needed more than ever! Thanks very much!! Ciao! 🙂
Very, very interesting. Presuming now that "Curzon Street" in London, named after this family. I wonder where, if any, future descendants of the daughters reside today ?
Thks for this video. But the beautiful peacock dress owes much to the intricate embroidery of Indian craftsmanship. The beautiful textiles of India are world renowned. Also some mention shd be made of the Indian maharanis… queens ,,who were among the most beautiful in the world. This shd have been included in this historical recap. 🙏
Your channel is very special. So many people go out without fanfare ... so many are forgotten. Have you done the story of GERTRUDE BELL? ❤ The book, Desert Queen. 😊
you probably mean partition under Jinnah - as MK Gandhi was terrible against any partition but the father of Pakistan Jinnah demanded it. And probably rightly so as even today people of both these countries are unable to take any joint decision togther.
I enjoyed this story about, Lady Mary Curzon, she was a very intriguing woman. Great investigation, presentation, historical information, and photos, too. Take care 🦋
That peacock dress was, I believe, designed by Worth and made in France at his atelier with embroidery by Indian crafts people. There's a lady, on UA-cam, (sorry, her name escapes me!), who's been trying to make a recreation/replica of the dress and it's taken years and I haven't seen that it's been able to be completed yet. I assume she's still trying, but haven't looked into the project in a while 🤷🏻♀️
Her names Cathy Hay. She stopped in 2020 because “it didn’t feel right she was a colonizer” which is actually fucking bullshit the one thing you where known for and people gave a shit about was that dress. And she studied it for 15 years before making it, you’d think she’d come to the colonizer conclusion prior if she actually cared.
She said that after A LOT of backlash, I remember that there were also issues with how she funded the project. This being said, yes, this dress has a very controversial history and I understand where the criticism came from, but an ethically sourced replica could have helped showcase the skill and exquisite craft of those indian workers. It just depended on how it would have been made and presented, and maybe those who (undertstandably) said that that dress only represented the darkest parts of colonial history may have accepted it too. This is just my opinion, I would have loved to see the dress made and worn again.
Yes, that was my understanding too and that funds simply weren't used appropriately. Currently, Cathy Hay, travels without a permanent home but still makes videos. Bernadette Banner, once a good friend of hers, has had to disassociate completely from her and any videos of the two are no longer available.@@danyf.1442
Its not that ladies before thst time were deemed undeserving of an education but that they were thought to not have the ability to understand things outside the realm of motherhood, emnroidery and kittens.
A fe historical inaccuracies- one that stood out was @6:25. There was no Pakistan at that time, but it was all,one country, India. The British left the continent divided (based on religious lines) into 3 different states-after their rule ended, one of which was Pakistan (1947).
British can't really be blamed for dividing the region when it was divided into dozens of kingdoms and principalities throughout history. It is more of a continent as you say rather than a country. Infact the most united it has ever been under a single government was infact during the British raj.
My comment is directed at the specific information at @6:25 and as mentioned in my response. At the time, there was no India-Pakistan-Bangladesh. So the narration in the video at that specific time stamp is historically inaccurate. With regards to your last comment- to say it was most "united" under British Raj is fallacious. It split into three separate states following British departing teh regions. The different states or regions may have been under kingdoms, but the state was one-not divided based on religious lines.
It makes sense that Lady Grantham was based on her. The only difference being that the Granthams had a son who died on the titanic at the very beginning of the show
Winston Churchill’s mother-Jenny Jerome- was another American heiress that married into British aristocracy. As did her sisters. Conseula Vanderbilt married into the same family, becoming the Duchess of Marlborough. I think that the character of Clara is based on all of these women. There is a wonderful video here on YT called the Million Dollar Princesses. It’s narrated by the actress that played Lady Grantham.
I love your documentaries they’re well done. The only thing I take exception to was implying that the American family somehow made good marrying into British nobility. Honestly, I think it was the other way around these heiresses saved the British aristocracy and many of the manors. This was not true in all cases, but it was in many.
Actually - the rich American families themselves believed marrying into European aristocracy was a HUGE move up. Most "rich people" at that time had only become quite rich just a generation before. Many mothers brought their daughters to Europe just to marry into a rich, titled family. A wonderful, factual book about this is called The Buccaneers!!
A great history. However, a serious fax pas, Edward Vll brother who represented him at the Delhi Durbar of 1902 was the Duke of Connaught not Connacht.
Glad you enjoyed. Apologies for the mistake, my writer misspelt his name and as an oversight I didn't verify even though I put the correct image! Thanks for pointing that out!
Most of us view it as the need of the times then. Portugese/Dutch/other european were spreading their colonies in Asia subcontinent, Britain wanted to be ahead of the other European powers in establishing their rule over India. I doubt if the conqueror ever can be friendly with the conquered. Out of all the past conquerors apparently Akbar the great was received very well by local people of India. When India got freedom in 1947 every Indian then was overjoyed.
@@nancyM1313 I think of you and scooby everyday 🙏 Thank you Nancy 🌻 My day was okay, another Dr's appt. It's 8:45pm now, almost 9pm. Wish good day Sis. Much love 💙
I thoroughly enjoyed this, i love history and have realised, that there is far more i don't know ,than do, you do an excellent telling of these forgotten lives,look forward to more,thankyou
Your title is a bit misleading. By every account she and her husband were very much un love, and friends to boot. Not such a sad life considering all the pitfalls of arranged marriage.
Great video, thanks. One minor correction though. Curzon's eldest daughter Irene did indeed inherit one of her father's titles (the Barony of Ravensdale) on his death in 1925. However she was not able to sit in the House of Lords since at that time peeresses in their own right could not take seats in the Lords. It wasn't until she was granted a life peerage in 1958 that she took her seat in the Lords.
Thank you for your many fascinating and informative videos. Not so much "Forgotten Lives" as lives I had never known about until watching your video series.
Mary seemed so nice and beautiful. Too bad her daughters became fascists. She was lucky to be so loved by her husband. If only we could all be that lucky.
Very annoying voice . Singing hard to take seriously. Drags out words not the best narrator. Stories are interesting but hard to concentrate on the story .
I just love Forgotten Lives.Julie Montague an American Viscountess and or Mapperton Live are good places to start and is the only place that I've ever heard of Alberta.I believe Julie found her old letters during renovations of there British historical home Mapperton and Alberta is a relative within the Earl Of Sandwich family tree I believe. I hope you can reach out and collaborate with Julie and do a video of your own about Alberta as well.I'll be watching thank you and good luck 😊
Really what a quick aquirer of a. second. As soon as time n death permitted that was Lord Curzon that was the man he did the right thing a fresh face. a like till the last
It's a little aside from your lives of individuals, but could you do a "forgotten way of life" video? It might end up a multi-part video. It would be so interesting to look at how British people coped with the challenge of moving from a colder climate to the hot steam of India -- minus our mod cons of air conditioning, sunscreen, and antibiotics.
The peacock dress is is relic of that period..The technique used to create the luminous effect is lost to history...Dress was made in Paris ...House ofcWorth of course
Thank you. The peacock dress is preserved and can be viewed at Kedleston Hall. There is also a youtuber who have tried to recreate it
She was an amazing person it’s such a shame that her children and her spouse became what they became. Not particularly appetizing people. But she was a wonder.
Her daughter Irene did nothing scandalous, she took more after her mother.
She sounds like she was a sweetheart ❤ my Daddy's last name is Jude 😊
What an amazing woman, but such a tragic end. Thank you for such a wonderful video about her. 🌹
Very tragic how early she died. And very tragic how how her children were involved with Mosley. He was scum. Having affair with a stepmother and a sister?
Another fascinating episode Forgotten Lives, keep em coming I'll be watching 👀!!!🙏👌🦉❣️
She died much too young. It seems that she was ahead of her time. Thank you for this story!
I was watching a documentary about the dollar princesses and that the story lord and lady Curzon were somewhat based on the characters for Cora and Robert crawley. I guess the story of lady Curzon and her husband brought to television a wonderful story.
You always do such a great job on reasearching and narrating these videos! I should tell you how much I appreciate them more often. Since the deliberate dumbing down agenda has done its intended job so well, this channel is needed more than ever!
Thanks very much!! Ciao! 🙂
Thanks very much!
Very, very interesting. Presuming now that "Curzon Street" in London, named after this family. I wonder where, if any, future descendants of the daughters reside today ?
Thank you for your well researched and interesting videos. You give pleasure as your voice is well modulated . Cheers from Australia.❤😊
I do feel privileged listening to your great story just before bedtime! Thank you FLives, never stop to be amazing
Thanks for the support as always!
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You are most welcome FLives!
Yes more history stories thank you❤😂😊
Thank you for an excellent video as ever!
My pleasure!
The great peshtigo the same nite
Thks for this video. But the beautiful peacock dress owes much to the intricate embroidery of Indian craftsmanship. The beautiful textiles of India are world renowned. Also some mention shd be made of the Indian maharanis… queens ,,who were among the most beautiful in the world. This shd have been included in this historical recap. 🙏
Did Mosley then marry one of the Mitford sisters? Thank you for this video on a very distinguished and lovely lady.
Yes, Diana Mitford, I have covered her life too!
Is that a Sargent portrait of the sister?
Yes!
Your channel is very special. So many people go out without fanfare ... so many are forgotten.
Have you done the story of GERTRUDE BELL? ❤
The book, Desert Queen. 😊
Thanks for watching! I have not, i'll look into her!
Another great pod! There was, however, no Pakistan until partition under Mahatma Gandhi.
Thanks!! And my mistake, I meant the area corresponding Pakistan today!
you probably mean partition under Jinnah - as MK Gandhi was terrible against any partition but the father of Pakistan Jinnah demanded it. And probably rightly so as even today people of both these countries are unable to take any joint decision togther.
I enjoyed this story about, Lady Mary Curzon, she was a very intriguing woman. Great investigation, presentation, historical information, and photos, too. Take care 🦋
Glad to hear it, thanks !
Her husband had a big political comeback during World War I, becoming Foreign Secretary and even running for the Conservative leadership.
Another fascinating life is that of the aristocratic artisr Henri Tolouse Lautrec.
That peacock dress was, I believe, designed by Worth and made in France at his atelier with embroidery by Indian crafts people. There's a lady, on UA-cam, (sorry, her name escapes me!), who's been trying to make a recreation/replica of the dress and it's taken years and I haven't seen that it's been able to be completed yet. I assume she's still trying, but haven't looked into the project in a while 🤷🏻♀️
Her names Cathy Hay. She stopped in 2020 because “it didn’t feel right she was a colonizer” which is actually fucking bullshit the one thing you where known for and people gave a shit about was that dress. And she studied it for 15 years before making it, you’d think she’d come to the colonizer conclusion prior if she actually cared.
She said that after A LOT of backlash, I remember that there were also issues with how she funded the project. This being said, yes, this dress has a very controversial history and I understand where the criticism came from, but an ethically sourced replica could have helped showcase the skill and exquisite craft of those indian workers. It just depended on how it would have been made and presented, and maybe those who (undertstandably) said that that dress only represented the darkest parts of colonial history may have accepted it too. This is just my opinion, I would have loved to see the dress made and worn again.
Yes, that was my understanding too and that funds simply weren't used appropriately. Currently, Cathy Hay, travels without a permanent home but still makes videos. Bernadette Banner, once a good friend of hers, has had to disassociate completely from her and any videos of the two are no longer available.@@danyf.1442
@@cacamoto5395 aha! Very interesting. I'm going to do a bit of searching on this topic - thanks for reminding me of the name ☺️
Its not that ladies before thst time were deemed undeserving of an education but that they were thought to not have the ability to understand things outside the realm of motherhood, emnroidery and kittens.
A fe historical inaccuracies- one that stood out was @6:25. There was no Pakistan at that time, but it was all,one country, India. The British left the continent divided (based on religious lines) into 3 different states-after their rule ended, one of which was Pakistan (1947).
My mistake, I will be clear and state that I mean the area corresponding Pakistan today!
British can't really be blamed for dividing the region when it was divided into dozens of kingdoms and principalities throughout history. It is more of a continent as you say rather than a country. Infact the most united it has ever been under a single government was infact during the British raj.
My comment is directed at the specific information at @6:25 and as mentioned in my response. At the time, there was no India-Pakistan-Bangladesh. So the narration in the video at that specific time stamp is historically inaccurate. With regards to your last comment- to say it was most "united" under British Raj is fallacious. It split into three separate states following British departing teh regions. The different states or regions may have been under kingdoms, but the state was one-not divided based on religious lines.
Please do an episode on Henry Clay Fricke
It makes sense that Lady Grantham was based on her. The only difference being that the Granthams had a son who died on the titanic at the very beginning of the show
It was a cousin who died on the Titanic. He could not have been a son, because he and Lady Mary were probably going to marry.
@mmundy5928 thank you. It's been years since I watched it and misremembered
UA-cam channel DOWNTON ABBEY
always posts scenes. 😊 Great reminders~~there
is never too much Downton.
@@mmundy5928Exactly the Downton always went down well
Winston Churchill’s mother-Jenny Jerome- was another American heiress that married into British aristocracy. As did her sisters. Conseula Vanderbilt married into the same family, becoming the Duchess of Marlborough. I think that the character of Clara is based on all of these women. There is a wonderful video here on YT called the Million Dollar Princesses. It’s narrated by the actress that played Lady Grantham.
I love your documentaries they’re well done. The only thing I take exception to was implying that the American family somehow made good marrying into British nobility. Honestly, I think it was the other way around these heiresses saved the British aristocracy and many of the manors. This was not true in all cases, but it was in many.
Actually - the rich American families themselves believed marrying into European aristocracy was a HUGE move up. Most "rich people" at that time had only become quite rich just a generation before. Many mothers brought their daughters to Europe just to marry into a rich, titled family. A wonderful, factual book about this is called The Buccaneers!!
It was a mutually beneficial arrangement. Win win!!!
Fun Fact: Was the Infamous Lady Curson Turtlesoup not created in Honour of Her? 😅
It must have been great to have been a rich person then, any time really the money always helps. Great Story Forgotten Lives☘️👍
Agreed, hope you enjoyed!
I’d heard of the Peacock Dress years ago; and your video puts it into perfect historical perspective. Thank you!
My pleasure!
I saw the peacock dress many years ago because I live near Kedleston Hall. It was kept under a glass cabinet and was gorgeous.
Very Instructive, Bravo !
A great history. However, a serious fax pas, Edward Vll brother who represented him at the Delhi Durbar of 1902 was the Duke of Connaught not Connacht.
Glad you enjoyed. Apologies for the mistake, my writer misspelt his name and as an oversight I didn't verify even though I put the correct image! Thanks for pointing that out!
Thank you!
Does anyone stop to think about the people of India and how they felt about being ruled over?
Most of us view it as the need of the times then. Portugese/Dutch/other european were spreading their colonies in Asia subcontinent, Britain wanted to be ahead of the other European powers in establishing their rule over India. I doubt if the conqueror ever can be friendly with the conquered. Out of all the past conquerors apparently Akbar the great was received very well by local people of India. When India got freedom in 1947 every Indian then was overjoyed.
As always, i am absilutely stunned about your BLOODY BRILLIANT research and presentation!
Your videos are a TREAT and TREASURE!
Greetings!
THANK YOU SIR. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Yet again a great but sad story . Thank you .
Thanks for watching!
We love your programs and they are all so interesting! Thank you for educating us. You have a definite flair for this!
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Good night Princess Nancy! 👸 Wish good week ahead 🌻💙 Take care
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Wow! I was thinking of you ❤
Have a great day dear Elke.
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I think of you and scooby everyday 🙏
Thank you Nancy 🌻 My day was okay, another Dr's appt. It's 8:45pm now, almost 9pm. Wish good day Sis. Much love 💙
Such a WONDERFUL Channel !
I thoroughly enjoyed this, i love history and have realised, that there is far more i don't know ,than do, you do an excellent telling of these forgotten lives,look forward to more,thankyou
Many thanks!
Another excellent story from HP. Thanks for your great productions.🎉
Very good video. I do enjoy your videos so much. I always watch for then to make sure I don't miss them!
Thanks!
Did I misunderstand - you said that Kitchener helped suppress WWII, yet he died in 1916?
Second Boer War! It sounds quite similar
@@ForgottenLives Thank you. My hearing is not always the best. I love your videos!
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Thank you. Fascinating life. ❤
Glad you enjoyed it
Please do one on Alberta Henchingbrook/Hinchingbrook!
I looked this up and could not find much. Do you have a link to some information on her?
@@ForgottenLives let me see what I can find.
Excellent.
Thank you very much. Enjoyed.
Glad to hear it!
you are a good storyteller!
Very interesting! Fascinating history! I saw the Peacock dress in a UK history video, simply lovely!
Thank you for all the video's you put out 👋👋
Thanks for watching!
Interesting and well worth watching.
Glad to hear it!
Your title is a bit misleading. By every account she and her husband were very much un love, and friends to boot. Not such a sad life considering all the pitfalls of arranged marriage.
this was wonderful ! can you do a part II? I know zero about the Raj and would love to hear more
Great video, thanks. One minor correction though. Curzon's eldest daughter Irene did indeed inherit one of her father's titles (the Barony of Ravensdale) on his death in 1925. However she was not able to sit in the House of Lords since at that time peeresses in their own right could not take seats in the Lords. It wasn't until she was granted a life peerage in 1958 that she took her seat in the Lords.
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Thank you for your many fascinating and informative videos. Not so much "Forgotten Lives" as lives I had never known about until watching your video series.
Lord Curzon was the last Victorian Viceroy and Lady Curzon was the first and only American Vicereine.
This was a wonderful story!!!
Can you even believe how much it cost to make the Peacock dress, when at that time most people were living in abject poverty?? Great video, thanks!
Why are there so many clips from HBO's "The Gilded Age" ( a series about NY) in here ?
Mary seemed so nice and beautiful. Too bad her daughters became fascists. She was lucky to be so loved by her husband. If only we could all be that lucky.
I knew about the Peacock Dress but not who wore it. Thanks for plugging that knowledge gap for me😎
Nicely done.
Please dont call her " India's Princess" . As an Indian I find it insulting . These people were despotic looters .
Yes she was very attractive. But it was that
Peacock dress that stunned people to
silence. It was an is still beautiful.
Very annoying voice . Singing hard to take seriously. Drags out words not the best narrator. Stories are interesting but hard to concentrate on the story .
The commentator has very poor enunciation and talks with a lisp, hard to understand .
Mosley had kids with a wife having a jewish father? excellent !
12:23 WAIT SHE WAS SLEEPING WITH HER BROTHER IN LAW???
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Very good video from a very handsome man
I just love Forgotten Lives.Julie Montague an American Viscountess and or Mapperton Live are good places to start and is the only place that I've ever heard of Alberta.I believe Julie found her old letters during renovations of there British historical home Mapperton and Alberta is a relative within the Earl Of Sandwich family tree I believe. I hope you can reach out and collaborate with Julie and do a video of your own about Alberta as well.I'll be watching thank you and good luck 😊
Love the strange and bizzare facts towards the end... interesting 😃👍
Great:)
Such an amazing woman who accomplished much in her 36 years of life 👏🏻🤩 Sad that she died so young 😢
The narrator voice 👎🏼
Oswald seems just as much of a Jackhole as his portrayal on Peaky Blinders
Really what a quick aquirer of a. second. As soon as time n death permitted that was Lord Curzon that was the man he did the right thing a fresh face. a like till the last
It's a little aside from your lives of individuals, but could you do a "forgotten way of life" video? It might end up a multi-part video. It would be so interesting to look at how British people coped with the challenge of moving from a colder climate to the hot steam of India -- minus our mod cons of air conditioning, sunscreen, and antibiotics.
Interesting idea, I'll look into it!
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Love your videos!
what the hell did i just watch for one minute!! whats with the vowels. very very very odd bye
Not sure what you are referring to, but sorry you didn't like my style!
Very good English history of Vip person who played significant roles for the Empire.
The peacock dress is is relic of that period..The technique used to create the luminous effect is lost to history...Dress was made in Paris ...House ofcWorth of course