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Historically Pakistan always had more advanced equipments. So the defence department should consider long term indigenous project as well as immediate imports simultaneously.
Ekber firse indian and pakistan equipments ka compare karke dekhna khule ankh se , kahase pak ka battle equipments india se advanced lagta hai? N a dhang ka radar ha nahi missile systems, tanks and guns sab old tech ka hai or fighter jet mai sirf f16 wovi purana version baki sab chinese product and kharab huya mal hai
@@mithudey5665 Durning 1965 & 1971 war Pakistan had better fighter aircrafts. It was the tactics and dedication of Indian forces that led to victory. Pakistan acquired F-16 in 1983 and to counter that India acquired mig-29 in 1987.
BTW I said 'had'.
@@user-oq5gv9tn6p past is past it doesn't matter in the present moment(congress era) btw at that time pakistan had better relationship with usa ,uk like super power so it obvious but now you can't give the example of past , situation changed india have more advanced equipments quality wise or quantity wise both are far better than pakistan's
@@DBS-Goku598 plz clear your fcking knowledge ....by reading your "j31 is a perfect aircraft" comment i become know that you don't know anything about fighter jets cause 5th gen or 6th gen fighters don't need canard wings but j31 hv so clearly it's not a perfect 5th gen stealth aircraft btw china always spread rumours to proove their aircraft's features to sell them and only poor countries buy their products ( like pakistan and most of the j20 are nearly useless, they produce black smoke from their engine that is not good anymore for a aircraft engine)
@@DBS-Goku598 i don't think I'm sure they are low in quality that's why chinese anti missile system didn't even trace the bramhos accidentally fired by india , btw you said j31 is the perfect 5th gen aircraft !!!lol🤣🤣🤣china just spreads rumors to sell their product because if anyone knows their product is low quality then no one but it and did you ever see any canard delta wings in 5th gen fighters like f22 or 35, su 57 or su 75 or upcoming indian amca??? J20 is just a rubbish and nothing , chinese just claimed it that their j20 is better than f35 , and only poor or chinese allies like pakistan but their equipments ; on the other hand chinese jf17 produce black smoke during it's flight which is dangerous for a aircraft engine , and in j31 the 2 RD-93 engines are even no match for the single engine of f35 and russia don't permit china to export j31 to pakistan with russian rd 93 so china uses their own ws-13 that is worst and chinese radars and missile ( we know how much capable they are😂) btw j31 also produces black smoke in test flight ......you don't have any proper knowledge next time come here with some brain
Yar aap ka Rafale F-22 ko bhi hara sakta hai😂😂
But it cant beat JF satara ladaku taiyara 😂
But s-400 can take it down😂
@@CarlElsner19985000dollar cruise missile destroyed s400 😂
Not in combate
Rafale can't but atleast it has locked F22 two times in military exercise 😂. F22 is most stealth fighterjet, who TF is Chinese plastic copy infront of it? Also experts says Chinese 5th gen fighters have RCS around 0.5m² which is basically almost same as that of Rafale and Tejas 😂 so idk how it is really stealth, bcoz F22 is 0.0001m²
What's surprising about this? Pakistan has always gotten better equipment before us (sometimes even in larger numbers, e.g., AWACS). We have always been reactive, never proactive. Our politicians can win elections simply by giving speeches, they don't actually have to spend money on defence. The Armed Forces can't speak up for themselves. Just the AoN (Acceptance of Necessity) can take years. Then more years to release the funding, in small batches. Next time China attacks, it'll be worse than 1962, unfortunately.
Bro even Pakistan budget is 10 billion while india has 73 billion.
thats a blessing bro trust me, theres a reason your economy is good.
@@dudebro755 Bro, defence spending is the pre-requisite to India staying an independent nation. That may not matter to those whose only concern is making money, but it matters to the vast majority of Indians. Plus, defence spending, esp. in the research, development & manufacturing actually helps the economy. Even the imported defence equipment helps the economy grow by providing stability (nobody wants to invest in a country at war, except perhaps arms manufacturers). And while most Indians don't think this important, if soldiers are willing to give their life for the country, it is the country's duty to make maximum effort to give these soldiers the best chance of survival, which means defence spending.
@@hsjawanda theres not going to be a war due to nukes. money should be spent uplifting lives of people.
Pakistan may have better weapons rn but youre not dying hungry and living with great internet and electricity supply arent you .I like how you take these things for granted.In order for India to become a superpower it must start developing weapons by itself and tbh India could buy su 57 anytime from russia and j31 wont even stand a chance
Options for India is to
1) Keep crying over America and engines delay
2) Run to ruskis for their bogus stealth jets, which even they don’t induct..
3) Wait for AMCA with IOC in 10years(most optimistic estimate). HAL will delay for another 10 more years until countries have 6th gen and will ToT basic 5th gen tech to PSUs.
4) Join hands with Koreans. Which our folks at PSUs won’t agree.
Anyway we look at it we are screwed… Jai PSU
Let us all come together and cry and cry more! That is the only thing the people of this country are good for now!
When I Hear USA As A Friend.
I Only Understand :- "BETRAYAL"
The Only Thing Delaying Tejas Mk-2 Is USA. USA Single Handedly Throwing India Inside India's Enemy's Mouth.😢😢😡😡
USA The Hypocrite 😠😠😡😡
सत्यमेव जयते 🇮🇳🇮🇳🙏🙏.
@@Archway16 In this democracy system you can cry only or pick up a gun to start fighting.
We were screwed from the UPA TIME
Where will Pakistan get oil
Ever heard of APF factory in PAC. It stands for Avaionics Production Fercility which has made sensors and avaionics for JF-17s.
*Assembled
@@sudeshyadav899 Correct
"Fercility" is correct 🤡😂
@@sudeshyadav899 correction
License manufacturing
@@aliarham7158 *Assembled by Chinese Engineering students during their internship .
India has selected Rafale and Rafale M which is although 4.5 generation is a answer to all fighter planes.
IAF not so keen on AMCA. DRDO and HAL have promised Modiji that the AMCA will be available by the 2nd Centenary birth anniversary of Modiji ie 200th birth anniversary by 2150👍
wtf🤣🤣
small correction Sir it's 2036 for your kind information.... but fighters like su-57 or F-35 will be inducted in before AMCA.... Modi govt. is going right.... you better go and criticize Congress as in their 75 years of ruling... due to their inappropriate decisions.. we lacked this behind......
uhm not 75... it's 54...
😂
🤣
for Rafale, only 36 are procured, how does IAF cover both China and Pakistan with that number. Hal Tejas Mk-1A is still not inducted and Tejas MK-1 is equivalent to jf-17 bloke 2 and will start to modernize them with ws-13 engine and KLG-7A AESA radar after 2026. They also had Wingloong 2, Bayraktar TB-2, Bayraktar Akinci, and TAI ANKA drones in significant numbers. Pakistan airforce planning is way ahead compared to IAF.
India's main option is air defence Systems & huge number of cruise missiles & conventional ballistic missiles ( brahmos & pralay ) .
And as always numbers. .....
Su 30mki 270+
Tejas mk1A. 220+
There is some tactical advantage of having huge fleets .
@@aniketdhane1014 missiles and air defense totally agree. Ballistic missiles are out of the equation in normal scenarios
Su 30 mki is on the point to
But till now, no tejas mk-1a inducted into Air Force, even with 25 a year it will take 10 years to fulfill . Also they will replace mirage 2000 and mig 21, mig 27 and jaguars in long run
Problem is every procurement delayed by such a lengthy, by the time they approved they become quite obsolete
Best case scenario, procure 350+ tejas mk-1 , buy 96-144 rafale m4 and modernized atleast half of the su 30mki by 2035, scrap all tejas mk-2 , tbdf , orca bullshit and focus solely on hal amca. Both korea and Turkey directly move to 5th jen fighter kfx and tfx rather than developing any intermediate twin engine fighter. Even Turkey doesn't have any experience in fighter projects ( they are getting huge help from Korea, Ukraine and Russia )
@@aniketdhane1014out of those 270+ su30 only 70-100 will be able to fly at a time
@@aarshbhushan1062 su 30 still have 70% availability so , 170 -180 su 30s are always ready to use .
Su 30 are being upgraded by 2026 & by 2029-30 su 30s will come with some unmatched capacities.
@@abrarzarif5061 I always wondered why people think su 30 mki is not capable?
It is a 4th gen fighter which lack in electronics & radar only. 70% of su30 fleet came after 2010 means they are still new aircrafts .
Once DRDO upgrade them with Super- sukhoi program Su30mki will become again dominant atleast more capable than jf17s .
And Indian government will not purchase that much fighters without reason. We are democracy & aur main goal is to become economic super power .
In near future mostly Indian Navy is going to get more weapons & ships.
One thing is for sure, Rafael will never be able to outperform J-31 due to the stealth factor.
J10 c is better than Rafael. 😒
J10C is as good as Rafael.@@subasthapa8323
@@subasthapa8323 do not get fooled by western media .. J10 C is highly capable aircraft ...
@@albertsaikhom7 believing on a nation who ever doesn't allow its media to print a report before govt verification is a follish act
@@subasthapa8323 oh no no
They are capability wise on par
But rafeal is technologically better than j10c
As for j31
Rafeal only has better EW suite(Indian one)
Many times, 5th generation fighters have been observed in the skies of Pakistan. It appears that Pakistan has been training its pilots with these advanced aircraft for quite some time. The information about their possession and training was previously hidden, and now it is being disclosed. Another noteworthy aspect is that Pakistan follows a strategic approach of keeping everything confidential until they are fully prepared.
Lmao.. Abe jaa na... Aata maang jaake. 😂
5 kg muft ration mil raha hai tujhe 😂😂😂@@rahulsaroha1128
@@rahulsaroha1128beta tu lmao lmao hi karta reh jaye ga dekhta ja 😂
@@joeali5940 lmao... Okay. Tu bhi aata lene aaya hai Kya bhikaari? Jaise tumhare halaat Hain... 5 Saal me fir imf k Aage loan k liye katora Le k khade hoge😂😂
Tab bolna.. hamare hukmaran hamari Ammi chod gye... Baigarat Hain Pakistani mumalik ... Sab raa or mudi ki saazish hai😂😂
Tab dobara karunga.. lmao 🤣😂🤣
@Hitler-bin-LadenPakistan is replacing f16 with jf 31
Biggest problem is that our research institutes are not getting proper budgets.
Bureaucracy is a much bigger problem that budgets
Yea. Government is reducing their budget
so why u say we are bikhareeeees ? XD
@@KhadimCreation we don't need to say
Your prime minister himself said.
@@shubhamsaini4770 Achw Ro mat IAF se boll apni speed teez krain XD Rotolo
Meanwhile IAF still working on retiring mig21/ waiting for 15 plus years for deciding procurement of 100 plus 4.5 Gen fighters !!
India operates under "Bhagwan Bharose" and that is the only option India has. India has been sleeping on MRCA for more than 15 years now, even when the number of squadrons are falling steeply and fully knowing that it is surrounded by worst and highly capable enemies like China and even when it is being governed by supposedly a nationalist government for last 9 years!! If one is honest then the condition is quite pathetic.
😂😂😂😂😂
Truly we get human capital freebies more than triple than budget of research and defense
😅
Patriotic my foot they say will bring pok with no fighter jets no submarine no etc 😅drones
Low range pinata rockets etc when
bilkul sahi yahi baat jab mai kahta hu ki ye log tejas ko export karne ke liye yaha waha bhaag rahe hain aur hamari air force abhi bhi mig-21 gira rahi hai, pahle apni requirement to poori kar lo to logo ko bura lag jata hai. jaisi hamari airforce hai hum 2032 me bhi mig-21 hi chala rahe honge
@@manwithamask7276it's not just IAF buddy each and every force across the globe is crying because of shortages and unavailability of items. Even the USA who are crying because of F35s and their helicopter fleets or Brits who are crying because of the tag of the borrowers. If China had free media you would have found them crying to. Any force in the world never gets exactly what they ask for. Even your boots are either a size small or a size big so don't worry about the crying and chill.
@@manwithamask7276 no it's not actually. You completely missed my point. It's not about jets it's just the fact that militaries demand a lot but they are provided little deliberately in order to keep them on their heels and in that sense F35 is no different than mig 21. Also you will have to keep calm attitude you can't take these decisions while guided by fear otherwise you'll end up in a pickle. The fact of today is that the unconventional firepower of Indian defence forces is so high that there is no chance of a head on confrontation which means you can afford to take some time instead of rushing in and ending up with a b grade product.
Forget Pakistan.
China is currently possessing more than 200 highly capable J20 5th generation fighters and more than 1000 Su27/30 fighters and their advanced derivatives as against 300 Su30mki and 36 Rafales of IAF.
China also has 300 bombers which can deploy potent long range stand off missiles and bombs against which there's limited to no counter. India has 0 bombers.
The far bigger threat are the extremely potent large drone fleet and rocket force which fall within the ambit of airforce.
We are not talking about intelligence gathering where again China outguns and out classes India by a very wide margin.
A full scale future war with China will be fought more in the air, water, space and cyberspace.
It will be very different from the wars in the past where the conflict was largely limited to land.
Our goal has never been India. Look at our aircraft carrier target in the desert, does it resemble an Indian aircraft carrier?
India is 0 in front of China both economicaĺy 2.5 trillion vs 700b and millitrarily 5000 Ac vs 2000ac
@gamerdaddy2570 China is indeed bigger than India economically but except Russia it cannot get the most advanced arms from any other country.
India, is perhaps the only country in the world which can acquire the latest arms from any country.
Our indigenous arms are also comparable to the most advanced arms in the world.
@@agonnoga6100 China builds its own equipments. Have you seen their millitary production complex. Have you seen their entire indistrial complex and how futuristic their cities look. They are on different level. Everythinga on youtube.
China is doing all that fight us aircraft carriers not India. India is probably not even on their minds. Almost all of their populations lives on the pacific coast
I've been emphasizing this for quite some time now: the MRFA competition doesn't make any sense at all. Just imagine if we declare Rafale as the winner of the MRFA competition in 2024 (which seems highly unlikely) and order 120 jets. The delivery would commence three years after placing the order and take at least six years to complete, totaling nine years. By then, China would have approximately 600 J-20 fifth-generation fighter jets. We urgently need to order a fifth-generation fighter. Otherwise, China will overpower us effortlessly. Whether it's the Su-57 or F-35, we require a fifth-generation fighter jet; otherwise, we'll face significant trouble. The major advantage of the Su-57 is the opportunity to integrate our avionics.
Pakistan always go for smart options.
KAAN aircraft will not be available till 2030s for sure. PAF need to aquare 200 new aircraft's and its very smart to induct J-31 as its very advanced and stealth aircraft and will give a leathal punch to Air dominance and Pakistan can use them as major air superiority fighter. Around 50 could be inducted
Full focus should be on AMCA, giving a project time is necessary. We defence "lovers" over hype ourselves and look down upon every single thing we do. People created a borderline stupid hype of Tejas MK-2 first flight by 2024. Now, when a realistic timeline came out, everyone was calling for a shutdown of Tejas Mk-2 because it was not coming soon enough. The kind of situation we are in calls for careful and proper development. Buying a 5 Gen platform right now will kill AMCA! Pakistan is not going to get KAAN and J-31 tomorrow. There is still a lot of work before they can even think of acquiring it. We must focus on AMCA, Tejas MK-2, and Kaveri, as the result will be invaluable!
I think you could outsource this 5th and 6th generation fighters to China. China's first 5th-gen J20 came around 2008, now they have 200 of them, and they already working on 6th gen, J30, and who knows, perhaps 7th generation may be in research and drawing board. So, is best for India to outsource these projects and pay China to do it as Made in China products sucks better. Just my two cents.
One correction, people don't created the 2024 timeline, Drdo directors, Hal officials and so called "close" to government psu's UA-cam channels told those timelines.
I believe in other aspect. I believe that while AMCA Should be focused TEDBF should not be left out as it will be crucial for as foundation to AMCA. But focus should be on creating S-400 like systems which will be capable of tracking and shutting down 5th generation fighter jets.
@loretbiget784 Then I feel it's over optimism from both parties. It's foolish of HAL/DRDO to give a project timeline, especially when the specified engine has not been secured!
@manthanpole7980 I agree with you! One of the greatest counters to Stealth is precise long range air defence. Even if Pakistan gets 5 Gen planes, they need to do a lot of planning just to save themselves from our S 400s and other systems.
India will develop own 5th gen fighter in 2899,and india will buy 5th gen 2056
Pakistan will pay using gpay 🌚🌚
Yes your mothers gonne come and gpay for us
Allah use to do the same 😂😂
@@himanshupandeyofficials8928
💀💀💀
@@himanshupandeyofficials8928 with your mother right 😎🤣🤣
And it works for them.
Stop crying, Modiji is busy in elections every year even municipality 😅
Pakistani talk about election 😂😂😂😂
Even Nepal and Bhutan will also get 5th generation fighter plane but indian air force will not get it.
this is the reality😡😡😡😡
😂😂😂 seriously
nepal aur bhutan ki airforce hai bhi😂😂😂bot
I think bro didn't heard about word indigenous
@@KankyaDutta-ru1hpI think you never heard the word “time”
@@KankyaDutta-ru1hpchina arunachal pradesh and Pakistan baki kashmir jab invade kar lega tab bolte rehna "indigenous" "indigenous"
India is Finished. J31, F16, J10C, JF17 and Kaan jets are a sweet shop for Pakistan.
India has no chance of winning in the skys.
Weldone Pakistan
From 1947 Pakistan has literally no Air force,like they started from Almost Zero and now better Air force than comparable to IAF .
Better planning and management of resources. Being allies with two superpowers USA and China helps as well.
@@mrc2222PAF got only 1 fighter jet by British during partician.
@@mrc2222even in 1971 Pakistan launched Operation Changez Khan against India which was successfull strike by West Pakistan.
India will spend 20 to 30 years to develop its amca after that it will consider to buy foreign 5 th fighter plane. May be after 2070 India will acquire 5 th generation fighter plane. 😂😂
Pakistan already has the 5th generation fighter. It's only time that they'll declare this officially.
Timing is the key to everything. Paf always has maintained an
edge over iaf.For Paf there might be some problems but we know how to overcome not like iaf that has still not decided on its mrfa program. We will have kaan aircraft in our inventory. We know how to diversify our defense equipments just try to focus on your weakness.
But still lost all the wars lol you need brain to use advanced military equipments which pakistan army lacks LOL 😆 🤣 😄
Even when I am a Nationalist person I agree on this point of yours as pakistan being a security state , pakistan armed forces always maintained to make a edge on indian armed forces in weapons domain by overlapping bureaucratic processes .
@@mehulpatil221just godi media says bro
They took aksai chin, Azad kashmir , gilgit 1947
They defeated afghans and talibans then took bajour from afghans in 1961 war once it was in Afghanistan
India again defeated by china in 1962
Then by Pakistan (Australian times , Newyork times, Holland news and all world media articles)
they destroyed 5-7 isreali jets in arab israel war in 1967 and 1973 India times and israelis have written and claimed that
They also destroyed 4 israeli airforce jets in kahuta project when israelis wanted to bomb their atomic project
It is also claimed by israeli medja and also india Major General SUSHERDEV in an interview told india today it was real and i searched it is also on google that they did
Paf was always having edge over Indian Airforce and israeli defence force in the region
@mehulpatil221We may have lost 2 wars but remember we shot down 2 of your jets and you weren't able to shoot down any of our jet but as saying goes we have shot down your f16 but an educated defense expert know that an mig-21 shooting down f16 is a complete joke. I think defense matrix is always on high who says that there is no RandD happening in Pakistan defense sector. We have our own homemade drones and missile through proper R and D.
@@mehulpatil221 bruh
J31 is a true 4.5++ jet like Tejas mk2 and rafeal but better
In many ways
Any way we look at this situation, we are in deep trouble...THANKS to lethargy of past 30-40 years...in 1980s our aircraft designer Dr.Raj Mahindra sab designed an aircraft called Marut Mk.2 or HF-73...which was a twin engine jet...but it was scuttled & we lost on creating an eco-system for local manufacturing...now thanks to our GOI, Babus, DRDO Sahibs & Most importantly our General Sahibs who cant even decide what they want....we MIGHT have AMCA by 2035-2040, when US / France / Germany / Italy & UK might be testing 6th Gen fighter...Japan, Korea, Russia, Turkey, Saudis, Spain & even pskistsn might have inducted 5th gen
There’s a big difference between testing and induction, F22 program had started a long time ago and was only inducted around 2015, but that didn’t mean that the US immediately started working on 6th gen
AMCA will be induct in IAF in 2060-70 😂😂
India is no longer Pakistan's priority. China, Turkey, Russia are strengthening Pakistan strategically so that Pakistan can challenge America in the Middle East. Iran, Turkey are certainly important players in the Middle East but not as strong as Pakistan. Pakistan has the experience of strategically defeating Russia and America, their 50 allies in Afghanistan.😮
Russia is not strengthening us
Just a few defense deals doesn't mean they are strengthening us
Lmao what ?
yep its a bitter truth
we pakistani cant fight our wars
but can defeat others enemies@@BuddyReiner
@@uaonmuhammad204No, we can fight and win our wars.
Did u jst write that🙄🙄 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Bhang kha liye kya.
Pakistan can't even challenge Israel in middle East and talking about America 😭😭😭🤣
America k khairat pe pura mulk pal rha h aur baatein suno jumman miyaan k🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Enough internet for today.
Honestly man India should not even look in the direction of Su-57 or the Checkmate fighter if they really want to take 5th gen seriously. IAF would probably be better off procuring more Rafale or even Superhornets instead. India should heavily invest in F-35, and should do so in both the A variant as well as C variant for the Navy
dude. America is not selling us those anytime soon
S400 can shoot f35 from 200 km distances... easily if you have been observing russo ukrainian war you can determine that era of fighter jets and tanks as well as era surprise attacks is dissolved in modern warfare beacouse of drones and highly capable air defence ...
@@SAFFRON_Alert_ LOLOL sure, I bet S400 can easily shoot down F-22 from 700km distance also, very easy, no problem 🤣🤣
@@HADES-qc8ru Maybe try asking?
Lol US keep delaying engine for our AMCA program and you say we should go for their planes? No thanks. They can simply delay the parts and ammunition in future when required.
You are probably the only defence analysis channel from India which remains unbiased and abstains from passing sweeping overstatements. Good Job for maintaining a healthy evironment brother.
I think Indian airforce should pressure government and drdo to accelerate the AMCA project and should roll out it till 2026 and starts its production from late 2029 or 2030 and also consider to join British Tempest or GCAP Programme to have a edge over PLA
as by 2033-35 we will be a multi trillion economy and can afford 5th and 6th generation fighters
Even now we are multi trillion, but till 2035 we will surpass 10 trillion Mark easily
Aare pehle funds toh release kare bharat sarkar. No acceptance of necessity yet.
Nehru's policy made India a weakar India now modi govt is taking bold steps on defence sector we have option su 57 is only option 🙏🙏🙏
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Modi government had chance to take bold steps but as we can see, they have failed miserably. We are weaker than we were. All thanks to Modi's Policies.
India has invested in economy whereas Pakistan has heavily invested in defense sector for the last 30 years. Lets see whose strategy will prove successful in future
Tanko mai tel nahi hai sir😢 or Rafael f16 kah baap hai aap china seh 5th generation aircraft kharid ligiye hum Russia seh sukoi 57 kharidenge😊.
Or space 🌌🚀mai toh India neh black hole study krna bhej dia jaldi hi space station bana keh research krenge uha phir moon mai landing😊
Yes because your not a fighting nation unlike Pakistan
Compared with China, everything is worse than India.😮
@@insley200 oo bhai ma pakistani hu
@@soumengorai8346 dear sir i want to correct your misunderstanding
Pakistan is poor not Pakistan army
both are entirely two different things
It takes a lot of money to develop a proper 5th generation aircraft. Russia lacks sufficient funds yet has managed to produce a flying aircraft whereas India has no shortage of money yet there's always a shortage of R&D funds. The result of which is this situation. Maybe India should take advantage of the current situation and negotiate a good deal for SU-57 with ToT in exchange of funding the program. No matter how hard we try now it'll take at least 10 years until AMCA can enter mass production.
Decisions need to go faster in the Indian armed forces especially the air force. So much clauses are added, that things do not move and we play catch up to meet evolving challenges, and we always remain behind the curve.
Jai Pakistan 🇵🇰💪💪💪
Pakistan will become Hindu country eventually.....
India will become 🇵🇰Pakistan country eventually
@@AsadUllah.602. Long live Pakistan 🇵🇰
india is the father of Pakistan
“Ghar me nahi makka
Amma gulgule pakka“😂😂
Thats why modi is giving ration to 80 cr poor.....Ye to Pakistan ki aabadi se 4 guna hai..😂😂😂
considering J 31 2012 mein hi apni first flight kar chuka hai or AMCA abhi apne early stages mein hi hai, hum logo ko Russia aur UAE ke saath Su 57 ko further develop karna chahiye or unke kuch squardon acquire karna chahiye AMCA ke development tak
The main reason behind the delay is fund allocation and heavy heavy corruption inside indian defence production and corruption inside indian ministers this is the real reason 😔👍
tabhi nind khulegi indian air force ki..jaisw hr equipment k time khulti h jb china or pakistan bana lete h to.
Smart move by PAF
J31 has WS 13E engine and JF 17 block 3 also has WS 13E engine .JF 17 block3 with WS 13E will be Rafale killer but why please ask someone from Indian airforce
Sukoi 57 takkar dega India fatt seh kharid lega defense mai competition nah krka apni economy education reform kro or shamalo 5th generation fighter jet hamey bi kharidna aata hai😊
Plus Chinese product uska virus 🦠😷yah defense kabhi lamba time tak nahi tikta
Russian sanctions??? Your indian people trolled u Lullo 🤡👋🏻💥
On other hand comparison ye hy Hal tejas samosas bnaay tumny jis mai improvement krty hi rahy aur akhir kaar iAF ny induct kiaa
Vs
PAC kamra exports 3 main type of jets multirole JF-17 which is exported to many countries now turkey is taking
Other trainer aircrafts are also exported to 39 countries from decades like super mushak
Tou tumhara AmCa urny kaa sapnaa aagy 3000 tak ho jaay shayad ;your own people are trolling IAF better than me 🤣🤣🤣🤌🏻 rip drdo rip amca lol
About Chinese products: India is 3rd largest country to whom China's exports much of its products including electronics in larger amount now indian govt planned to decrease optic fiber dependence on China
NOW TELL ARE YOU SHAMING YOURSELF???🤣🤡💭👋🏻💥
Pakistan comes far later in Chinese exports induction mainly take from gulf and north European countries lol
AND also mentioning here CHINA IS CALLED "WORLD FACTORY" as china gives 35% of exports to whole world especially india 🤡💥💭
They have proved their weapons by testing on you in 1962 🤣🤣🤌🏻 how badly they funked you
Now you don't have to make judgement your generals already claimed defeat in recent century also in many interviews 😭😭🤌🏻💭
WS13E has the power 95-100KN . But that is not the ultimate engine for FC31. The ultimate engine is WS19 which has the power of 10 tons x2 is greater than F35.
How was east pakistan
Considering the fact that even prioritising on AMCA won't make India have 5th generation fighter jet early, will it be a good option to first prioritize on S-400 like indegenious systems capable of countering 5th generation fighter Jets?
Edit: I'm not saying s400 can track 5 th generation. Just saying making a completely new defence system that can track it.
S400 can't counter 5th gen fighter
@@james4807M I said S400 like systems which will be made domestically that actually can. And I believe that it can be achieved if there is a use of premium semiconductors and AI involved.
@@manthanpole7980we don't have flat terrain like Ukrainian Russia. In mountainous terrain Air defences have limited success. Aircraft too have RWR and MWS so it's not that easy
@@james4807M Yes we don't have flat terrains. But also firstly if flat terrains were an issue we wouldn't have gotten S400 from Russia in the first place which we have deployed them on India Pakistan border.
Secondly, it depends wether Turkey will make their jet designs to have higher altitudes as you said we do have a uneven terrain but the altitude is high as well. Our fighters like LCA Tejas were made for higher altitude keeping in mind our terrain, even Rafale was aur top priority for it's high altitude capabilities. A domestic program for 5th generation fighter Jets will keep our priorities in mind but it unfortunately is going to take more than a decade. And I feel that it is faster to make a mobile surface to air defence system as compared to the jet engines that we have been making.
S400 stands no chance against 5th gen jets
Lol so he saying Pakistan interlay research development is zero 😅.. dude JF 17 Thunder is locally assembled and 50% made in Pak… JF 17 Vs Tejas.. you get your answer
Issi khwaab maen India khosh rehta hai paise nahi Hain inke pass research nahi hai 😂😂😂😂
We should go for SU-57 under MRFA with TOT & IAF specific enhancements, the 🇮🇳+🇷🇺+🇦🇪 deal seems nice
hahaha
It's a fairly new platform still in development India was part of it and for some undisclosed reasons and spending millions we pulled out of program I don't think it's wise to gamble with such a huge amount of money when the timeline for our own fifth gen is close
Bakwaas fighter jet nahi lena Hume SU-57 is no stealth fighter
Jab Humare scientists ne jab is program ko dekha tha dum duba ke bhag Gaye the sab... Bola tha ki koi stealth nahi hai yeh fighter
F 35 kabad hai kya tumhare liye 😂
Nah.
Engine, technology, production, etc. _India is 2 decades behind a fully operational 5th gen, squadron (16 to 18 aircrafts) of flying fighter aircrafts._
2032 first prototype
2037 Initial Operational Clearance and 5th gen engine in production
2042 16 to 18 IOC batch 1st squadron.
By 2042/2045, US, Europe, China, and Russia will be flying 1st batch of 6th gen fighters.
The best option would bhe simultaneous development of 6th gen tech with amca, there some leaks that amca 2 will have some 6th gen tech so by 2045 we will have a 5.5gen fighter and tech is developed simultaneously we can have a 6th gen fighter by 2050-55
Indians seem overly optimistic
We are all joking but seriously they are slowly countering our aircrafts now they already got First delivery of j-10c.Still we think we don’t have money.I think we will watching they get their 1st 5th generation aircraft still we will be calling MRFA tender . Still we procure old mirage 2000’s for maintaining 32 squadrons.
😀India will get the 5th gen fighters similarly they achieved in Kaveri engine by investing 35 years with HAL.
First of all india to bring L&T and TATA to give them their fair share of projects , TATA has always proved to their ability Army Armaments and Engines their knowledge can be used in many ways , rather than Relying on HAL bench scratching old govt employees and further giving more money to Adhani Defense projects...
We should sell our 36 rafale in second hand and should go for 100 f35 . It would increase our capabilities and also improve the relation with America which would encourage them to give us more tot and high end products .
The Rafale you purchased is worth 200 million euros per aircraft, and the F35 will cost at least 400 million dollars, or more
But still J 31 is better than Rafale as J 31 has internal weapons bay so must be less RCS as well as less drag and more maneuverability
Not necessary. Tejas has less rcs than su57
@@suryanshsagar2677how ? Tejas 0.5m² and Su-57 0.1m²
@@BuddyReiner Tejas infrared signature is also less thanks to engine being inserted deep inside the airframe
@@BuddyReiner It has less RCS because it is not inducted yet. Lmao
@@babytelly24 lol true
India must come out of its facade of superiority. Pakistan has always prioritized its air force, and it will always try to maintain a qualitative edge.
This so sad that our government keeps sleeping on defence matters… so much bureaucracy nothing moves forward, lack of funding and vision. After being under foreign rule for 1000 years we have not learnt our lesson.
Vishwa Guru is in deep sleep. Please Don't disturb
One word: reservation.
Lack of funding has nothing to do with it.
Media :ap daray huay hain?
Iaf : pura parivar dara hua hai😭
Cry Indians 😂😂😂😂
Aata cahiye?? 😂😂
4 bar pith chuka rona tumhe aur tumhara logo ko a raha hai😂. Hum khush ho kar baitha hai😂
Ye to whi baat ho gyi ki Israel gaza se dara hua h😭😭😭🤲🏼🤲🏼🤦🏽♂️
Tabhi toh balakot airstikr kiya tha be ghuska🤣🤣🤣
Somebody explain to me how in the clusterfuck does pakistan have money to buy latest weapons delivery platforms but no money to buy gas cylinders?
China is subsidising Pakistani defense to keep India off balance. Also ou may not believe this Pakistani airforce has made much better use of its resources and has used smart diplomacy get what it needs at an appropriate cost. Also Pakistani airforce makes realistic plans unlike Indian airforce which likes to talk a big game for its domestic audience and get the maximum budget so that top officials can line their pockets.
India has kept its borders safe by using good politics rather than relying on the military to prevent coups like in Pakistan so this is a problem that is very difficult to solve. Realistically speaking India does not face any existential threat from China or Pakistan. Those are still jst border disputes and even incase of a massive breakthrough in a war neither Pakistan nor China can occupy important territories of India (except Kashmir). So why will a civilian govt empower a military that can threaten it to defeat enemies that are a much smaller threat? The issue of Indian defense will never go away.
do u live in pak? have u evr been to pak? v r a country of 250M people its not the case as u dscrbd !
Bhai lene de koi baat ni , India should take its time and develop amca with foreign help.
@@qasimjoiya8866 you have $7.8 Billion Forex Reserves out of which $6 Billion are deposits from Saudi, UAE, IDB
Even Nepal has $17 Billion Forex Reserves
China is retiring it's planes early and offloading it on Pakistan.
Our decision makers, starting with Defense Minister, MOD, HAL are sleeping with zero sense of urgency. They have been dragging the engine issue for the last 10 years. Offers from GE, Safran and RR have been pending for years with no action.
India should heavily invest on Higher versions of Radars and counter missiles and Aircraft systems to detect these fighters and place them more on the borders ... Only God knows when we get AMCA or 5th generation...
Awac ka kaam defenceman system ko jam kerna hota hai.
In case they purchase 5th generation jets there won't be enough money for fuel and maintenance 😅😂
hahah cry
we can manage 6th most pwerful milatry with 8 billion usd and with low econmy
and india cant even make 40 tejas since 1980s
you are saying this since 2000@Hitler-bin-Laden
atleast madrsa chaap can fight aginst soviets and american like in afghanistan..........................@Hitler-bin-Laden
@Hitler-bin-LadenIndia dont have even 40. LOL
@Hitler-bin-Laden sixth strongest in term of soldiers personal and land force air force etc
Pakistan getting 5th gen Aircraft
India - Pakistan aur 5th gen Aircraft 😂😂😂😂
hum haste rahenge aur vo hamse better fighter lekar ajayenge, hum pak compete kr rahe chine kyu bhul jate hai
@@Yazzpatel56sahab made in china😂 hai . Kuch bharosa nahi hai
@@Yazzpatel56 You’ll always find chest thumping jingoistic people
Kitna import hai India ka china se???
Koi idea hai bhi???@@biswajitmajumder9922
@@biswajitmajumder9922These are not toys and do you know who make best commercial drone dji it's also china jitna paisa do ge utna acha maal mile ga china policy
I am first to watch this video 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Wow strong army grape.....
Hillal e Pakistan chahiye tumko kya ??
India should go for its own 5th gen fighters , there will be no war now on India will be world power in next 10 years ........ chinse j31 will not make difference Pakistan will surely try to work on its own JF 17 B3
भारत का मिलिट्री बजट जाता कहाँ है हमसे कम बजट वाले देशों की सेना भी हमारे लगभग बराबर की हैं।
是的，我们打算向我们的盟友巴基斯坦提供高性能战斗机，用来提高我们朋友的防空能力
Love from Pakistan 🇵🇰
@@EUROSPORTS4TECH😂😂😂Chinese maal tikta nahi hai jaldi pata chalega china jaab tagega tumko India keh darr seh china deh raha hai
Love from Pakistan ♥️🇵🇰
@@EUROSPORTS4TECH love ❤from Afghanistan🇦🇫
@@soumengorai8346 Der kha ❤️🤍
I think we are on the right track albeit a painful and arduous one of going the road to develop our own 4th Gen and 5th Gen as U.S cannot be trusted fully which we have seen in recent times..
This route pays dividends as seen with the induction of INS Vikrant and serve as a template for the future..
The Russian 5th Gen is a non starter and U S not interested in giving us F-35 due to our acquisition of S400 systems..
Our options are limited and should involve acquisition of more numbers of Rafale F4 or F5 standard while focussing on developing AMCA for the future..
F-35 is Hedeche for South Korean Airforce, waht about F-35's Operational Readiness?
Below 30%
@@dibakarroy226 South Korea just ordered 20 more F-35s, US Air Force is master of disinformation so it gets underestimated in a war.
There's no comparison between 4th & 5th Generation fighter's; Both use different ways of fighting, Its like comparing Well equipped modern day soldier with samorai!
10 saal baad jb hum AMCA induct kr rhe honge tb tk PAF J31 retire kr rha hoga
That fifth gen chinese ping pong will be as effective as thier retired awacs and after detecting mig 21 it will se bluetooth devise is ready to pair 😂😂😂😂😂
OK pajeeight
@@darthvader6110mamuli archer ng strike drone on testing hai burbak first flight bhi ho chuki hai😂. Ankhe nikal hamara Tejas 60% indiginise hai sirf engine ko chorkar. Agar engine hoti na toh aj America ka pad pa nahi padta aur projects itna delay bhi nahi hota. Aur agar delay nahi hota na toh timeline ka anusar KAAN ka ana sa pahala amca ka two squadron hamara pas rahata
You Indians are funny. All the avionics, radar and many other parts of Tejas are foreign. Basically French and Israeli
No options required... We just need to make our own.... They can buy any 5th gen fighter but won't have money to put fuel in it... So they can keep it in a museum.... Turkey can't even make a 4th gen fighter and begged to buy f16 or Rafael or Eurofighter.. and to think they will make a credible 5th gen fighter directly... 😂
Keep living your delusional life.
Turkey has been locally manufacturing most of its parts under the licence of F16s for the past 30 years, was part of the F35 joint production program and was indigenously producing more than 2500 parts for F35 out of 9000 parts. TUSAS has been a partner with GE for almost 50 years now and has been locally producing parts of GE engines for almost 50 years. Turkey successfully produced Hurjet with only its engines are American rest is completely indigenous. Successfully produced the prototype of TFX. It has 100% capacity to produce 5th-generation fighters. It is requesting for F16 block 70 or Eurofighter to cover the gap. As Greece has procured rafaels and is about to receive F35's turkey need to defend that, as TFX needs another 10 years to get inducted, to cover those 10 years Turkey is trying to buy these jets. This is what the Turkish president and defence minister have said in recent times. Please read something before commenting.
J31 has stealth capability only when its park inside the hanger. TFX’s Pakistani version will be having 5th generation ability to beg, along with remaining features.
If possible kindly creat the video on why IAF opted out of SU 57 and what features IAF wanted in that which were not available
Lol, mark my words Amca won’t fly until 2050 😂
Are you sure
@@abdirahmaanmohamed1582 damn sure
This was a political 'own-goal' for India. Moving away from Russia in favor of US systems in the 2010s was a major mis-step.
Yes Russian technology exports lost their largest client, and Russian weapons development was hampered, hurting Russian national power. This demonstrated importance of India as a buyer, but did not improve India geopolitically. The only winner was the US and the West.
Now that it is obvious that US and western power is rapidly falling, India is caught red faced with its pants down. India has to go back to its former most trusted ally with shame for not standing with Russia during its time of need. India needs Russian weapons to defend itself, but Russia has become a junior partner to China's global power. And India wants to defend itself against China?!? LMAO!
R u out of ur mind🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
India has bought 50 billion dollars worth oil from Russia in 2023..we r not like pakistanis outright sl@ves to either America or china😵💫
We enjoy balanced relationship between Russia and USA.
S400 acquisition worth 5.5 billion dollars is another testimony along with SSN, stealth frigates, AK103 and many more🤗
It is extremely beneficial for China to help fund the PAF rather then deploying their own assets to counter India.
In the air pakistani pilots are falcons and indians are just crows 😜😜😜😜😜what we did to abhinunnun 5he most experienced pilot of gayindia...lol.tea was really fantastic...that tea was a jadooo on abhinunnun haha
I agree that J31 is a fifth generation Jugad copy of F35, and have very good frontal stealth, but in close range about 100 kms the difference between the modern 4.5 gen fighters and Chinese 5th gen fighters is almost negligible.the new platform will offer some advantages when it's brand new but will dent with the time as other Chinese products.and poor maintenance budget from Pakistani Surplus Treasure 😜 will make it a sitting duck!
Please list which part is copied.
Sweet assumptions 🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂
easy copied like ctrl+c ctrl+v
@@chongzhouliu7893 If that so. How come India not able to make it.
@@gf-ek9ps I don't know either. Many people say that things in China are copied from the West, as if they can be achieved by simply moving the keyboard😂
I think we should consider SU57 as a stop gap measure before AMCA induction. I know Su57 is not a true 5th gen fighter. But it is truly a great air superiority fighter. In my opinion reduce the number of Su30 MKI from 272 to 182 and purchase 90 or 5 squadron of Su57 which will be specially modified for Air dominance mission.
Look I'm not underestimating capability of Su30, it will still dominate Pakistani J10 and F16. But when it comes to China it is behind in capability significantly from their J20. Which is again not a true 5th gen fighter. But I think Su57 is ahead in capability from J20. So if we purchase 4-5 squadron, it will definitely dominating Chinese airspace.
Subsequently we may push Russia for 100% TOT and NOC from OEM, so that we can modify weapons, sensors, radars of Su57 where it lags in capability. It's completely my opinion 😊
Kai log bol rahe hain ki hume su-57 le Lena chahie per main sabko yah Bata Dena chahta Hun ki su-57 ek bakwas fighter jet hai......💩💩 Hamare scientist aur Russia ke scientist 2010 se is program ke sath mein thee, jab 2014 ke bad jab hamare scientist ne is fighter jet ka evaluation, kia to hamare scientist Ko pata chala ki yah koi stealth fighter nahin hai ek bakwas fighter jet hai aur 2018 me hum is program se bahar aa gaye aur sath sath mein hamare pocket se ham logon ne 1 billion dollar bhi iske upar kharch kar dia tha jo ki waste ho gaya.....
Public kuchh bhi bole hamare scientist aur hamare Ala aadhikaari kisi bhi halat mein su-57 nahin kahredenge....
Aur hamen Su-57 kharidna bhi nahin chahie....
Kyunki yah bakwas fighter jet kharidne ke bad USA hamare upar CAATSA sanction bhi laga sakta hai
Pajeeight logic
Don't you see that the appearance of the SU57 is different from that of the stealth fighter jets from China and the United States?
IAF should induct 200 mig 21.
Yahi ho sakta he IAF se😂😂😂😂
In Top Gun Mevrick has a famous dialog, aircraft doesn't matter, only pilot matters.
And PAF proof that in every dogfight
By the way ☕is fantastic 😂😂😂
Pak 🇵🇰 is Asian superpower mashallah 💪
I don’t think India should acquire Su57 Felons or Su75 Checkmate, it’s gonna be a bad bet. India should try to acquire 100+ F35I Adir with Israeli avionics with local production and ToT and 1 or 2 squadrons of F35B for special operations. The navy should order 2 squadrons of F35Cs for carrier based operations. We could forego most american weapons for Israeli and European weapons like Spice, Meteor, MICA and ASRAAM. We should also push for customized F35 with Indian avionics and weapons. It’s gonna be the best best as it would be a force multiplier against China as well as Pakistan. Inputs from F35 can be used in AMCA, further improving it.
India should push for the F35 deal with local production, technology transfer and MRO and also with customised Indian/French/Israeli/European avionics/weapons when Trump comes back to power and the Khalistan issue dies down.
For that USA has to offer F-35 which they have not yet. There were multiple media reports but no official ommuniccation.
You think America is a reliable partner??
India has s400. So that's why USA won't give f35 to India
Ha ha f35
F35 is way too expensive and not as good as F22.. not worth it
No worries, we have Tejas MK1s.
😡😖😥
IT would sound crazy but india should now focus on LCA tejas mk1a, tejas mk2 and HAL TEDBF
And integration of Kaveri engines with all these there platform...
Pakistan got submarines before India, Pakistan got modern fighters before India, Pakistan claims to have got Mirvs before India, kya ukhad liya. Pakistan if get gen 5 before India that too Chinese will not have significant impact on India. However it will have a major impact on Pakistan. It will sink faster into the debt trap. China will just add the costs of gen 5 fighters to a long list of unpaid loans. As like Jf 17 and j 10 even j 31 will turn out to be junk painted in fancy colors.
lekin har to oh log jate hai
@@darthvader6110
@@darthvader6110😂 ha kiya tha😂 attack uska bad ka result Puri duniya janti hai ki pakio ko badla ma kya mila tha😂
Pakistan will always be ahead of India
5 gen is a failed project world wide 😂😂😂😂😂😂 ...it's very very very costly..
Theres s idoligical difference between both IAF and PAF
In india govt focus more on indigenisation
But Pakistan focuses more on having new technology or propoganda technologies as fast as possible...
They'll suffer in the long term just how they suffered by relying on Americans for their economy because they'll never gain the technical know how. We should focus on indigenisation, we're already too late. The longer we get experienced with creating our own things, the more expertise we'll gain in the craft. Import culture has to end.
Remember, Pakistan is not a bigger threat, it's a seed planted by the real enemy which are the developed economies and communist China. Prepare for the long term.
What abt western sanctions against Russia? Will that not hamper the deal, if done, particularly payment methodology?
Never underestimate we need to take a look at Russia Ukraine war who would have thought Ukraine who defend its country again might red army
Its is good news for india also. If pakistan air force will get 5gen aircraft it also give amca ,mrca, tmk2,orca to a quick devlopment boost.
India ke leye bahut confusing situation hai..😅
I think we should considered su57 as siblings of AMCA one squadron of Su57. We invest 2billion in fighter so we if we take su57 it should better we capitalize our investment and strengthen superiority in air.
Pakistan army rich ha country crisis ma ha.
Or gaha tak baat rahi KAAN ki wo Pakistan ka lia costly nahi hoga. Kyu ka KAAN project m Pakistan Turkey ka sath shamil tha or KAAN Aircraft Pakistan ma manufacture hoga. Is lia KAAN zayda costly nahi hoga kyu ka wo Pakistan khud produce kra ga.
And Pakistan has always gotten advance equipments faster than india and the surprising thing is Pakistan budget is 10 billion while india has 73 billion
Instead of buying those expensive shit we should go for su57 and we have to make it atleast 50% indigenous modification.
Why do i feel like watching a movie from southindia like a street rowdy fights with a rich villain?
जब पाकिस्तान कोई बेहतर हथियार खरीद लेता है हम तब ही उसे काउंटर करने के लिए तुरंत हथियार खरीद लेते है वरना तो हमारे यहा हथियार खरीदने की प्रोसेस में ही लटके रहते है आखिर क्यों हम पहले से ही थोड़ी ही मात्र ले नए जनरेशन के हथियार खरीद कर पाकिस्तान को आउट ऑफ पावर कर दे और हमारा फोकस केवल चीन हो ना की पाकिस्तान
Meanwhile banias and biharis in government procurement counting notes and passing around paperwork hahaaaaaaa rajnath singh has no clue which paper is where and modi also have no clue which babu signed and didn’t sign lol 😂😂😂😂
Headache for India Hmmmm😊
It's good for India in every perspective.
India might buy Russian stealth jets or even american f35.. but the latter would require giving up sovereignty
It's a bit wild to compare Rafale to F35.
Indians saying about budget , the thing is Pak Army is not an army its an MIC, the funds will make themselves available like they have for J-10C, or china will simply provide them to keep the two front alive.
I think india will go for F35. It is an exciting time.
Anxiously waiting for next air conflict.
Don't regret your enemy when he is making a mistake