Great intent, and nice to see people practicing outside, too many people get used to perfect gymnasium floors, forgetting what it can be like on different terrains, good stuff.
I love that last hit. It made me smile. Just makes one aware of how fast John is. Regardless of what you think of him (I don't know him, and thus have no opinion on that), he's one heck of a fighter. :)
@NaniaCystine that's like saying 'That's not a car, it's a mercedes.' A main gauche IS a dagger, just a type used specifically for parrying. And there's no such thing as just a 'gauche' 'Main gauche' translates to 'left hand' from French. It's the term used for a parrying dagger, the 'main' part just means 'hand'. It doesn't refer to any sort of shield. A main gauche is simply a parrying dagger used in the left hand.
The rapier is actually a heavy weapon. In modern fencing, the epee is the closest to the rapier, as it is the longest and heaviest of the three weapons (and the bouts last the longest). Though it is quick anyway, it's about the mental speed and reaction time.
I study Doces Pares as well as fencing and boxing. The Filipino martial arts have ties to Western combat sword fighting -the Spanish ran the mercenary schools. Boxing, too, gives us a sense of dynamic sword training probably was before modern fencing.
the reason for the small shield is you hold it out in your opponents face so it cuts off lines of attack making it almost as affective as a larger shield plus you can punch him with it and you don't have to worry about injuring yourself with it
i'm at least 2 years trained at a IMAF instructed school, and while I may be a beginner, it would seem that I have enough experience with advanced rapierists to be able to recognize a rapier being used outside of the direction of form defining instructions of Capo Ferro, Alfieri, Fabris, Marozzo and about a dozen other masters. You don't know me Megadeath, so you shouldn't make assumptions.
@tamerlanenj tho i appreciate you input i would like to inform you that foil, epee, and sabre are all very old weapons as well. i have fenced with all three and with rapier i happen to find rapier to be much more fun. and it is proven time and time again that "ancient" martial arts are still effective (i say "ancient" because they are still in use today) for example karate, kung-fu, jujutsu, ninjutsu (yes it is still studied), escrima, and capoeira just to name a few.
Oh, I'm well aware of the usefulness of offhand weapons. But there is a difference between using a sword and a secondary offhand defensive weapon, and just using two swords as offensive weapons (i.e. equal focus between them, rather than one as an offhand defensive weapon and the other as a primarily offensive weapon.). I'm pretty sure the guy I was responding to was advocating the use of two swords as offensive weapons as the best defense against "lighter swords such as katana"
I think using a main gauche(or dagger) is more useful then the buckler, because it provides more leverage and it is easier to direct your opponent's sword.
Depends where you go in the SCA... While its true, the SCA does allow pretty much anyone to pick up a sword and fight with no formal training, there are plenty of groups in the SCA on board with the WMA style training.
i have to say i am most impresed and more relieved by this vidoe. its the very first ive seen that desplay real and practical moves from european styles. though as a hawaiian i might get laughed at for suporting white man things, i have alweys edmired the REAL european styles and am happy to see a good video of them :)
@Procopius1980 Not really, I am an SCA rapier fighter and we take it pretty seriously as well. They are just using a more cut and thrust style and for some of thier passes actually seemed to be using more or a saber or slashing style than the point style traditional to rapeir. Had any of those blows landed it would have sucked yeah but since there was no push or pull behind them it would have resulted in a bruise or shallow gash versus an actual deep cut
@walatalalaw rapier, like all weapons evolved with time and technology and had several different stages, the basics of it is that with developnent of gunpowder and rifles, the heavy metal armors were no longer effective since they slowed you down it did not stop a bullet effectively - so the were discarded for the most part, and so lighter and faster versions of most blades became more effective against a lightley armored fast and agile foe
@tamerlanenj All martial arts stem from one of two things: 1) a previous martial art, or 2) one's own field experience. Therefore, no martial art is truly "obsolete." To say that is very similar to saying that the wheel is obsolete simply because we have created the car. Or the wagon, which we still use today just as often as the wheel (shopping carts). The modern sport is only slightly different than the old sport, and that's all fencing ever was, really. Fencing was for nobles exclusively.
Are the practice swords being used modeled after early 15th century rapiers? They still look like they would have a decent enough broadness to them and don't look that much longer then an arming sword.
In what situation would a rapier/ buckler ever be used against a katana? When using two swords, the fencer has to split his focus between both weapons, which to parry with, which to thrust with. With one, his focus is entirely on that weapon, and, in theory (so long as he knows what hes doing) should be able to out fence two more often than not. Also, to be able to properly fence with two, one would have to be able to fence at least as good with ones left as ones right (or vice versa).
I believe you mean rapier. There is only one "p." Side-swords preceded rapiers by quite a bit, though they were used rather commonly during the time period rapiers were use. I feel like its a bit of a misnomer to call them "cutting" or "sword" rapiers. It's kind of like referring to a pistol as a shooty-rapier.
I also dislike it when people take themselves too seriously when it comes to historical combat, "I've read a few treaties on R&D so I must be an expert". At least stage combat is just that, rather than bashing away at each other.
I haven't seen anyone who claims to be an expert after reading a few rapier treatises. However, like any other martial art, Historical Fencing has to be taken seriously by those practicioners who wish to excel at it. I certainly don't "bash away" at my training partners. :)
- bad footwork ...there is a preponderance of weight being kept on both fencer's forward legs. If you don't understand why this is bad form just look at the attack the left fencer (after the right fencer gives a weak attack, out of time with no apparent second intention) when he has a perfect opportunity to attack but cannot because all his weight is forward so when he tries to lunge his rear foot slips because it was not planted.
Yarbols - Several years ago John Clements sparred a senior student of one of the IMAF mastros. The student had a epee and Clements was unarmed. Before you trash Clements you should find out the results of this match up.
@NaniaCystine well, we'll have to agree to disagree then unless you can point me to a source, in which case I would genuinely be interested in reading about it.
@neosonic66 A Gauche is more a kin to a shortsword. Classification, is accurate but most people don't know the difference so they call it whatever and has become a habit of people calling certain things they are not. It doesn't matter what it's called in french its what the English decided to call it that matters since we are speaking english not french. A Gauche is without a shield a Main gauche is with a shield, regardless of what it means in french. End of story.
I wouldn't go to say that two beats one. It really depends on the level of skill and tech. of the fencer. Even in method one can still best two. In one you explore "poking" and traveling more than the power forwardness of duel handling. Two may have the counter advantage but if you "out work" and tranverse often you will have the upper hand. Remember technique is the World of the Fencer and footwork is his gravity.
@tamerlanenj if you don't appreciate the form, why are you watching the video? maybe instead of sitting behind your moniter you should get out and try some of these as you put it "obsolete" martial arts. I am sure there is a group or school in your area.
Isn't rapier supposed to be a bit more trust oriented weapon ? I mean- here it's a bit more like a baroque sword then classic rapier in italian or spanish school. Most of attacks here seem to be cuts
I just wanted to say something here real quick. Whilst I agree with many how hard it is to find appropriate rapier dueling, I must also say that the blades shown here are not rapiers. A rapier is long, slender, and tapers to its point for a more effective thrust. The swords shown here are more closely related to broadswords, which are designed more for slashing and hacking, as the fighters' moves showcase. I would recommend that you rename the video to accurately represent the fighters' weapons.
@CrimsonCrux Martial arts exist in Western culture, but they should not be confused with BUDO (which has domicile and origin in Japan), for they are quite different things. Budo's solely objective is to improve as a human being and use of any kind of fighting is just a tool...
@theULTIMATEanswer42 Try to contact forte swordplay, I think they mostly do longsword fencing and I'm not sure they train any rapier. If they don't, I think they may know where you should look. If you look at fortejeff's youtube accout, user/fortejeff then I think you will see that they at least don't pretend they understand everything.
In the offence/attack, the lunge or pass, the hand needs to be extended first, only then can the front leg move forward and the entire body is pushed forward with the back leg, meanig the back leg needs to be straighten out at the end of the move. As with most HEMA videos this shows bad footwork.
miroslav m In defense of my fellow ARMAteers, this was ack before ARMA's rapier program really started to take off. ARMA has gotten so much better since that video was posted. I personally have been training in the organization for about 7-8 years, and this video was posted 8 years ago. Its no doubt far better now. There is also now a knowledge which has become common, that the re is a difference between spada and rapier. Spada is like the rapier,but has a sharp edge thus able to cut efficiently. Rapier,on the other hand, is a stabbing weapon which has an edge,but won't cut very efficiently,but due to the common design, they're more stabbing weapons than anything... Which the interesting thing is that you see there is a highly different strategy to long sword and spada as well as rapier fighting. Spada and Rapier tends to have more stesso tempo voids as the stabbing and other techniques are done. Longsword starts from the cut and stab as well as binds and cuts as well as slices(cutting from the bind with a wind) and you see a ton more grappling in long sword combat. The reason why is because long swordcombat has more emphasis on cuts than stabs. Cuts bring the bodies and arms closer to each other so that when you bind, you see a lot more coming to grips in the truest sense for grappling. ARMA traditionally , along with most historical european martial arts and martial arts of renaissance europe organizations, train mostly in long sword...so, you would see where such would be lacking... But ARMA has actually become more sophisticated in rapier and spada fencing these days. I saw a video in ARMARIA where JC was instructing the rapier and did a really good job in form and all. I also looked at hte ranking system and saw that you now have "Free Scholar of Rapier" which requires things like knowledge of rapier tactics and renaissance history and concepts and all. So, ARMA is definitely getting there nowadays.
Yarbols, has it ever occured to you that you are the only one badmouthing these guys? These are trained, skilled professionals for fuck's sake! The only one that's unskilled here is you!
@neosonic66 First of all google it. I have a minor in medieval weapons. Second when you say rapier and dagger its like saying, in your terms, "BMW and a car". And its not a dagger. A dagger has a specialist look and feel to it. First of all a dagger's guard is smaller, it about 1.5-2 inches shorter than a gauche. In English you label melee weapons by their name not category. A Rapier is a Rapier a Gauche is a Gauche a Dagger is a Dagger. Continued.....
off hand tools, dagger, buckler, cloak-- are not necessarily intended for use in the same way as the primary hand weapon a buckler is primarily defensive, as is a dagger-- but if the primary is used to tie up the opponent's weapon[s] then the dagger can deal the killing blow-- and a well driven buckler can break a bone. obsession with asian arts ['katana'] to the exclusion of all else is narrow-minded- neither were euro bastard swords inherently superior to two blades. different disciplines pax
I'd love to give you a link Kiema, but i think a good portion of my frustration with these videos, is that I can't seem to find any good video on the web. If you are interested in DVD Rapier instruction, I'd recommend this link: for Italian: www.martinez-destreza.com/schermavideo.htm for spanish: www.martinez-destreza.com/destrezavideo.htm
well I try not to overstep my bounds, know my limitations, and not to talk about what I don't know, but then I do have almost three years experience training with world recognized meastri, so just because I myself are not skilled as they, I can recognize bad form. I'll say this: these clips are bad form from what I have been learning from the meastri I have studied under. I do not, however, presume to speak for anyone other than my humble self.
Oookay, lets review---you say you are a BEGINNER, and here you are judging the skill of MAESTROS. That makes a WHOLE lot of sense. Next time, remember your place.
Just out of interest kpak44wh, where and with whom have you trained? Not that I will assume you fight bad just because your keyboard is messed up, but to discard a recognized WMArtist like John Clements like that sure needs some more info to back up besides claiming to be superior. cheers.
Can't agree with you enough about sport fencing, Kiema. Haven't found much in the way of good fencing in video clips on the web, but if I find any I'll let you know. my maestro is kinda skittish about us filming in the salle. I can understand... god knows that a good amount of my bouts can get a little ugly from a form standpoint. If you are interested in current top notch maestri schooled from a living tradition check this site: www.scherma-tradizionale.org/
Eppe simply meant to tag? Next time you see a conquistador tell him that, would ya? lol. Eppe's were very good at killing because of the swift, cutting, thrusting action.
Do you have rubber blunts on the end of your swords? And you all really should use more safety equipment than just masks and gloves. Do you wear a gorget at least?
why would you be laughed at? if something is well done, al that matters is that its well done, who cares by whom?^^ you might want to take a look at the presentation of thechniques by zornhau or gladiatores, look at TheRealGladiatores vids for those. they might not be freefights, but first comes technique, only then you can fight freely, right?^^
This looks more like side sword to me. more awful rapier technique. it's so bad I don't know where to begin. why can't there be any good rapier videos out there?
Great intent, and nice to see people practicing outside, too many people get used to perfect gymnasium floors, forgetting what it can be like on different terrains, good stuff.
I love that last hit. It made me smile. Just makes one aware of how fast John is. Regardless of what you think of him (I don't know him, and thus have no opinion on that), he's one heck of a fighter. :)
@NaniaCystine that's like saying 'That's not a car, it's a mercedes.' A main gauche IS a dagger, just a type used specifically for parrying. And there's no such thing as just a 'gauche' 'Main gauche' translates to 'left hand' from French. It's the term used for a parrying dagger, the 'main' part just means 'hand'. It doesn't refer to any sort of shield. A main gauche is simply a parrying dagger used in the left hand.
The rapier is actually a heavy weapon. In modern fencing, the epee is the closest to the rapier, as it is the longest and heaviest of the three weapons (and the bouts last the longest). Though it is quick anyway, it's about the mental speed and reaction time.
I study Doces Pares as well as fencing and boxing. The Filipino martial arts have ties to Western combat sword fighting -the Spanish ran the mercenary schools. Boxing, too, gives us a sense of dynamic sword training probably was before modern fencing.
the reason for the small shield is you hold it out in your opponents face so it cuts off lines of attack making it almost as affective as a larger shield plus you can punch him with it and you don't have to worry about injuring yourself with it
i'm at least 2 years trained at a IMAF instructed school, and while I may be a beginner, it would seem that I have enough experience with advanced rapierists to be able to recognize a rapier being used outside of the direction of form defining instructions of Capo Ferro, Alfieri, Fabris, Marozzo and about a dozen other masters. You don't know me Megadeath, so you shouldn't make assumptions.
Fighter on L with main gauche seems very gifted. Natural. Once can also see why the double blade style won out over the sword and buckler.
@tamerlanenj tho i appreciate you input i would like to inform you that foil, epee, and sabre are all very old weapons as well. i have fenced with all three and with rapier i happen to find rapier to be much more fun. and it is proven time and time again that "ancient" martial arts are still effective (i say "ancient" because they are still in use today) for example karate, kung-fu, jujutsu, ninjutsu (yes it is still studied), escrima, and capoeira just to name a few.
Oh, I'm well aware of the usefulness of offhand weapons. But there is a difference between using a sword and a secondary offhand defensive weapon, and just using two swords as offensive weapons (i.e. equal focus between them, rather than one as an offhand defensive weapon and the other as a primarily offensive weapon.). I'm pretty sure the guy I was responding to was advocating the use of two swords as offensive weapons as the best defense against "lighter swords such as katana"
I think using a main gauche(or dagger) is more useful then the buckler, because it provides more leverage and it is easier to direct your opponent's sword.
Depends where you go in the SCA... While its true, the SCA does allow pretty much anyone to pick up a sword and fight with no formal training, there are plenty of groups in the SCA on board with the WMA style training.
i have to say i am most impresed and more relieved by this vidoe. its the very first ive seen that desplay real and practical moves from european styles. though as a hawaiian i might get laughed at for suporting white man things, i have alweys edmired the REAL european styles and am happy to see a good video of them :)
I'm agree with you. The sword is not a rapier, a rapier must to protect the hand.
That looks like a lot of fun. Is that just a dagger or a Main Gauche?
@Procopius1980 Not really, I am an SCA rapier fighter and we take it pretty seriously as well. They are just using a more cut and thrust style and for some of thier passes actually seemed to be using more or a saber or slashing style than the point style traditional to rapeir. Had any of those blows landed it would have sucked yeah but since there was no push or pull behind them it would have resulted in a bruise or shallow gash versus an actual deep cut
@CrimsonCrux I was gonna say, modern forms of warfare are martial, so sniping is a martial art of a sort yes?
Hands do look a bit like Marozzo (so definitely cut and trust sideswords), same goes for guards, relatively high position etc. As said earlier...
To me it seems they are using cut&thrust side swords, which is something in between rapier and arming sword. So the style seems right in place to me.
@walatalalaw rapier, like all weapons evolved with time and technology and had several different stages, the basics of it is that with developnent of gunpowder and rifles, the heavy metal armors were no longer effective since they slowed you down it did not stop a bullet effectively - so the were discarded for the most part, and so lighter and faster versions of most blades became more effective against a lightley armored fast and agile foe
@tamerlanenj All martial arts stem from one of two things: 1) a previous martial art, or 2) one's own field experience. Therefore, no martial art is truly "obsolete." To say that is very similar to saying that the wheel is obsolete simply because we have created the car. Or the wagon, which we still use today just as often as the wheel (shopping carts). The modern sport is only slightly different than the old sport, and that's all fencing ever was, really. Fencing was for nobles exclusively.
Are the practice swords being used modeled after early 15th century rapiers? They still look like they would have a decent enough broadness to them and don't look that much longer then an arming sword.
@theULTIMATEanswer42
Thanks for the kind words, and don't worry about the down wote. I have done that a loot of times =)
In what situation would a rapier/ buckler ever be used against a katana?
When using two swords, the fencer has to split his focus between both weapons, which to parry with, which to thrust with. With one, his focus is entirely on that weapon, and, in theory (so long as he knows what hes doing) should be able to out fence two more often than not.
Also, to be able to properly fence with two, one would have to be able to fence at least as good with ones left as ones right (or vice versa).
I believe you mean rapier. There is only one "p." Side-swords preceded rapiers by quite a bit, though they were used rather commonly during the time period rapiers were use. I feel like its a bit of a misnomer to call them "cutting" or "sword" rapiers. It's kind of like referring to a pistol as a shooty-rapier.
@Deadman1709 more accurately, martial arts are what we have now, where martial sciences were what was practiced in the past.
@japedol Yes it did. Where do you think the word came from? Asia?
That's not "rapier-styled" enough, but I guess it would be very dangerous to do thrusts with that. It can penetrate the body.
Both swords look like side swords to me. That is something in beetween a rapier and arming sword.
Actually I've been referring to way in which it is used rather then shape of the blade or handle.
I really Like that video. Thats good fighting.
I also dislike it when people take themselves too seriously when it comes to historical combat, "I've read a few treaties on R&D so I must be an expert". At least stage combat is just that, rather than bashing away at each other.
aren't those pretty thick for rapiers? I don't know much about this but aren't rapiers thiner than that?
there is 3 terms that we must know; martial arts, Self defence, and Fighting sport
I haven't seen anyone who claims to be an expert after reading a few rapier treatises. However, like any other martial art, Historical Fencing has to be taken seriously by those practicioners who wish to excel at it. I certainly don't "bash away" at my training partners. :)
It is a Buckler. That is why it is small, do you know what a Buckler is?
@CrimsonCrux The most deadliest forms of martial arts are from europe. I forgot the name of the most famous one its from france though.
Yarbols is correct that not rapier fencing. It looks more like Johm Clements interpretaion of George Silver's sidesword.
- bad footwork ...there is a preponderance of weight being kept on both fencer's forward legs. If you don't understand why this is bad form just look at the attack the left fencer (after the right fencer gives a weak attack, out of time with no apparent second intention) when he has a perfect opportunity to attack but cannot because all his weight is forward so when he tries to lunge his rear foot slips because it was not planted.
@NaniaCystine Is it Savate?
very good, well done.
Yarbols - Several years ago John Clements sparred a senior student of one of the IMAF mastros. The student had a epee and Clements was unarmed. Before you trash Clements you should find out the results of this match up.
i agree with asmcint. but anyway nice fight loved it it is hard to find a good fight on youtube
@NaniaCystine well, we'll have to agree to disagree then unless you can point me to a source, in which case I would genuinely be interested in reading about it.
0:33 is that an effective cut?
@neosonic66 A Gauche is more a kin to a shortsword. Classification, is accurate but most people don't know the difference so they call it whatever and has become a habit of people calling certain things they are not. It doesn't matter what it's called in french its what the English decided to call it that matters since we are speaking english not french. A Gauche is without a shield a Main gauche is with a shield, regardless of what it means in french. End of story.
I wouldn't go to say that two beats one. It really depends on the level of skill and tech. of the fencer.
Even in method one can still best two. In one you explore "poking" and traveling more than the power forwardness of duel handling.
Two may have the counter advantage but if you "out work" and tranverse often you will have the upper hand. Remember technique is the World of the Fencer and footwork is his gravity.
@tamerlanenj if you don't appreciate the form, why are you watching the video? maybe instead of sitting behind your moniter you should get out and try some of these as you put it "obsolete" martial arts. I am sure there is a group or school in your area.
too bad this video is only 35 seconds long, I could watch stuff like this for hours....
THIS kind of sparring should be an Olympic sport instead of the tame saber fencing we see......
Isn't rapier supposed to be a bit more trust oriented weapon ? I mean- here it's a bit more like a baroque sword then classic rapier in italian or spanish school. Most of attacks here seem to be cuts
how long did it take you for 80 dungeoneering?
I just wanted to say something here real quick. Whilst I agree with many how hard it is to find appropriate rapier dueling, I must also say that the blades shown here are not rapiers. A rapier is long, slender, and tapers to its point for a more effective thrust. The swords shown here are more closely related to broadswords, which are designed more for slashing and hacking, as the fighters' moves showcase. I would recommend that you rename the video to accurately represent the fighters' weapons.
@waterswind its a buckler and hes not being aggressive other wise the guy would be overpowered with out the sheild
Is this ARMA supposed to be more realistic than SCA?
good technique fight,im impressed
does anyone know of fencing schools in the Boston area that have rapier?
thats also not a dagger thats a gauche, not a main gauche since it has no shield.
@gurkfisk89 thank you i will try to contact them. unlike most youtubers you are quite helpful :)
@CrimsonCrux
Martial arts exist in Western culture, but they should not be confused with BUDO (which has domicile and origin in Japan), for they are quite different things. Budo's solely objective is to improve as a human being and use of any kind of fighting is just a tool...
Aren't those sabres?
@theULTIMATEanswer42
Try to contact forte swordplay, I think they mostly do longsword fencing and I'm not sure they train any rapier. If they don't, I think they may know where you should look. If you look at fortejeff's youtube accout, user/fortejeff then I think you will see that they at least don't pretend they understand everything.
In the offence/attack, the lunge or pass, the hand needs to be extended first, only then can the front leg move forward and the entire body is pushed forward with the back leg, meanig the back leg needs to be straighten out at the end of the move. As with most HEMA videos this shows bad footwork.
miroslav m In defense of my fellow ARMAteers, this was ack before ARMA's rapier program really started to take off. ARMA has gotten so much better since that video was posted. I personally have been training in the organization for about 7-8 years, and this video was posted 8 years ago. Its no doubt far better now. There is also now a knowledge which has become common, that the re is a difference between spada and rapier. Spada is like the rapier,but has a sharp edge thus able to cut efficiently. Rapier,on the other hand, is a stabbing weapon which has an edge,but won't cut very efficiently,but due to the common design, they're more stabbing weapons than anything...
Which the interesting thing is that you see there is a highly different strategy to long sword and spada as well as rapier fighting. Spada and Rapier tends to have more stesso tempo voids as the stabbing and other techniques are done. Longsword starts from the cut and stab as well as binds and cuts as well as slices(cutting from the bind with a wind) and you see a ton more grappling in long sword combat. The reason why is because long swordcombat has more emphasis on cuts than stabs. Cuts bring the bodies and arms closer to each other so that when you bind, you see a lot more coming to grips in the truest sense for grappling. ARMA traditionally , along with most historical european martial arts and martial arts of renaissance europe organizations, train mostly in long sword...so, you would see where such would be lacking...
But ARMA has actually become more sophisticated in rapier and spada fencing these days. I saw a video in ARMARIA where JC was instructing the rapier and did a really good job in form and all. I also looked at hte ranking system and saw that you now have "Free Scholar of Rapier" which requires things like knowledge of rapier tactics and renaissance history and concepts and all. So, ARMA is definitely getting there nowadays.
It's a buckler~
anyone know what make and models are being used?
you want to use cuts as a primary, use a saber.
Yarbols, has it ever occured to you that you are the only one badmouthing these guys? These are trained, skilled professionals for fuck's sake! The only one that's unskilled here is you!
@neosonic66 First of all google it. I have a minor in medieval weapons. Second when you say rapier and dagger its like saying, in your terms, "BMW and a car". And its not a dagger. A dagger has a specialist look and feel to it. First of all a dagger's guard is smaller, it about 1.5-2 inches shorter than a gauche. In English you label melee weapons by their name not category. A Rapier is a Rapier a Gauche is a Gauche a Dagger is a Dagger. Continued.....
off hand tools, dagger, buckler, cloak-- are not necessarily intended for use in the same way as the primary hand weapon
a buckler is primarily defensive, as is a dagger-- but if the primary is used to tie up the opponent's weapon[s] then the dagger can deal the killing blow-- and a well driven buckler can break a bone.
obsession with asian arts ['katana'] to the exclusion of all else is narrow-minded- neither were euro bastard swords inherently superior to two blades.
different disciplines
pax
That's a pretty average size for a buckler, actually.
If you want specific examples of what I am talking about I'll break it down for you... these are just two things things:
: Yeah, they wouldn't make it if it was pointless.
somebody's gonna put their eye out
It's small for a reason. Better movement.
The guy on the left fights allot like I do...quick stabs to the forehead.
Look more like side-swords than actual rapiers, which is okay because a rapier is a perfumed ponce's weapon anyhow. :X :P lol
I'd love to give you a link Kiema, but i think a good portion of my frustration with these videos, is that I can't seem to find any good video on the web. If you are interested in DVD Rapier instruction, I'd recommend this link:
for Italian:
www.martinez-destreza.com/schermavideo.htm
for spanish:
www.martinez-destreza.com/destrezavideo.htm
guy needs a bigger shield ^^` i feel bad for him already
well I try not to overstep my bounds, know my limitations, and not to talk about what I don't know, but then I do have almost three years experience training with world recognized meastri, so just because I myself are not skilled as they, I can recognize bad form. I'll say this: these clips are bad form from what I have been learning from the meastri I have studied under. I do not, however, presume to speak for anyone other than my humble self.
Oookay, lets review---you say you are a BEGINNER, and here you are judging the skill of MAESTROS. That makes a WHOLE lot of sense. Next time, remember your place.
Just out of interest kpak44wh, where and with whom have you trained? Not that I will assume you fight bad just because your keyboard is messed up, but to discard a recognized WMArtist like John Clements like that sure needs some more info to back up besides claiming to be superior. cheers.
Can't agree with you enough about sport fencing, Kiema. Haven't found much in the way of good fencing in video clips on the web, but if I find any I'll let you know. my maestro is kinda skittish about us filming in the salle. I can understand... god knows that a good amount of my bouts can get a little ugly from a form standpoint. If you
are interested in current top notch maestri schooled from a living tradition check this site:
www.scherma-tradizionale.org/
0:12-0:21 Awesome
owned.
Eppe simply meant to tag? Next time you see a conquistador tell him that, would ya? lol. Eppe's were very good at killing because of the swift, cutting, thrusting action.
Do you have rubber blunts on the end of your swords? And you all really should use more safety equipment than just masks and gloves. Do you wear a gorget at least?
@gurkfisk89 crap, :'( sorry i voted you down it wasn't intentional and it won't let me fix it
sticken um in the eye
why would you be laughed at? if something is well done, al that matters is that its well done, who cares by whom?^^
you might want to take a look at the presentation of thechniques by zornhau or gladiatores, look at TheRealGladiatores vids for those. they might not be freefights, but first comes technique, only then you can fight freely, right?^^
This looks more like side sword to me. more awful rapier technique.
it's so bad I don't know where to begin. why can't there be any good rapier videos out there?
@stickmymasta bahahaha
Hence the masks.
gay