Similarities Between Bosnian and Macedonian
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- Bosnian and Macedonian are both South Slavic languages that share the same origin, but how close are they? In this video we explore some of the commonalities, as well as differences, between the two languages, with Petar (Macedonian speaker) and Miralem (Bosnian speaker).
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The Bosnian language (bosanski / босански) is mainly used by Bosniaks and one of the official languages of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Bosnian is also recognized as a minority language in Serbia, Montenegro, North Macedonia and Kosovo.
Macedonian (македонски) is an Eastern South Slavic language, and the official language of North Macedonia.
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The mother of the Bosnian one is from Croatia Ikavian dialect in Istria or Dalmatia
@@andreasquizzato1984 Is there a difference?
@@user-zh7yr1up8g yes in pronunciation and words
@@andreasquizzato1984 So why they are called 2 languages?
@@user-zh7yr1up8g because of due to nationalists the language has been differentiating since 1995 much more than the ordinary differences Serbian, Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrine has themselves in origin. It is a political difference.
That was very insightful and interesting. Great job 👏🏻
Mer30 dadash Bahador. Thank you 🙂
Magdonost comes from ancient greek makdunis, parsley. The ancient greeks called parsley like the region od Macedonia: makedonesion petroselio (petersilie in german). Very interesting word with this complicated origin
Something i’ve wondered recently: related sign languages could be a fun and interesting video series?
To clarify: I don’t necessarily mean sign languages used in countries with the same spoken language but from different sign language families like ASL and BSL are. I mean *sign languages* that are related.
(However while typing this I realised comparing similarities and differences between Auslan and BSL (which use the same alphabet and are somewhat related) and then having someone who can sign in ASL there to demonstrate how it is different could be great to further demonstrate that sign language isn’t universal.)
(Disclaimer I’m not Deaf and this is just an idea, so 100% actually ask people from that community how best to do this if it were to be done.)
I have wondered about this too. Interesting topic.
@@zannawu5749 It’s very interesting. As far as I can gather from looking for scientific papers (and only skimming through abstracts n conclusions lmao sorry), research into the relationship between sign languages and their families is still ongoing to understand the relationship more since linguistics hasn’t really fully caught up to sign languages yet. (There’s a great free to read review from 2022 by Justin M. Power titled “Historical Linguistics of Sign Languages: Progress and Problems” on progress that’s been made and why there are still things to solve, i wanna get round to reading it all).
So I’d always love to see more videos of sign language users comparing their signs and dialects.
Oops text wall but yeah. I’d love this channel to feature sign languages.
Izlegov - I went out, Miralem, you have almost the same in dialectal Bosnian "ižljeći". Ižljegao sam iz kuće. Turšija is preserves, isn't it? In French it is, in any case. Moliv is olovka. I learned a new word - mliječnica. In some regions (exemple Lika) they say roba for clothes, sımilar to ruba. Дыра is also hole In Russian. As always, I enjoyed very much this edition with nearby languages. Bravo, momci! Thank you, Bahador!
No way. First time hearing ''Ižljegao''... Where are you from?
@@krwnik8419 My father was from Eastern Bosnia and "ižljeći" was very used there, well, maybe not so much anymore or maybe only in the villages, but I'm positive about it.
I do like that you mentioned these words, I am fascinated with the East Bosnian Slavic dialect and words. Some of them are good representations of our old language! I have learnt from the east Bisnians that they use šća more even when they ask something, the šćakavski dialect being more represented there! I belong to central Bosnia so I used the idioms and words from my surroundings, especially my “uncorrected” grandmother, she would never speak ijekavian! The whole of my mother's family still speaks pure ikavian! Darling Bahador has trimmed a bit of that part of the video (where I used ikavian), but that is to be understood as it would go on for a long time otherwise! Regarding Ižljeći as a verb, I acknowledge that it might exist in some parts of Bosnia but for my family, it means hen hatching eggs, that is the only context. The verb iskidat’ was a part of the idiom in terms of clearing up or throwing out the same as ispeći kahvu ie to bake coffee (one boils water for coffee)! Lastly other words in the video which I mentioned but they were not in the video and that I find them fascinating were daždevnjak and nevista! Many thanks for your kind words! You are one big soul!
@@aleksinatetka it's a dialectal form of a word, it's not a standard language
@@krwnik8419 I never said it was.
I'm Italian an, speaking russia, I have often the impression that serbo-croatian and bosnian had influences from both Russian and Italian. Se konsumira is literally the italian translation of si consuma. se is the reflexive particle si in italian. Kako se sove? Come si chiama/dice?
I have Macedonian friend, many of them speak Serbian, but generally, even in Macedonian, i think people from the former Yugoslavia understand Macedonia's around 60-70% i would say, so we can communicate with each other.
This is Bulgarian
@@HeroManNick132 lol
@@HeroManNick132 bulgarian speak burgerass dialect that no one can understand
@@T4B_M3RC Western Bulgarian coping with a Bulgarian passport.
@@HeroManNick132 I don't need to cope, even before ww2 Bulgaria supported Macedonian Movement, long live independent Macedonia
You Men have come so far
And done so excellent even
Both residing in balkan nations
Bosnian language actually seperates of to some Russian
And even know Russian/Greek
Letters are and if not alphabet
Is identical its a true fate to
Understand vice-versa i could
Only imagine how difficult that
Was you men did exceptional great job
My favourite macedonianism "popisati na knjigata golgeterite". In serbian this means to piss on the goal record book while in macedonian it means to be written into the goal record book 😂
Yeah in Bosnian for some reason they use letter ć instead of k when it comes to adaption of words that came with Ottoman Empire. My grandfather used k as he spoke Ottoman Turkish for example k for köfte for example but most of Bosnians and others use sound ć like ćufte for some reason which I found to be strange but maybe it was copied by locals from some soldiers etc that actually used that sound instead of k (either erroneously or maybe form the region they came from it was pronounced like that rightly or wrongly) ...or they simply chose ć sound but it is weird as k is not hard to pronounce ....this goes for many world like šućur instead of šukur or šukyur...there are many instances and myself am curious what exactly is the real reason for using ć instead of k.
Is ottoman turkish intelligible with modern turkish? I know its different but i wonder how ottoman turkish speakers felt when their language changed drastically.
@@MrAllmightyCornholioz modern Turkish was corrupted by the Zionist ataturk because he was Islamophobic and wanted to eliminate Islam but alhamdulillah Mr. Erdogan has brought light back to Turkiye after 100 years of darkness.
great observation, dzevad. i noticed that too. like köprü (ćuprija), kömürü (ćumur). in both instances it seems that use of letters ö and ü has to do something with the way how bosnians say these words. there are other instances of turcisms in bosnia with extremely minor variations. for example bodrum vs podrum, etc. there is one professor who published great work on this topic. i am planning do dig into this more and do deeper research. i bet it has to do with ottoman language. are you turk w. bosnian roots? btw. the guy in this video spoke something that it is not normal way how people from bosnia speak. his native language is english. he has poor control over bosnian, so he was not the best representative of the language....
It would be used when saying words with a soft K (Kaf) in arabic since we didn't have that exact letter, so they would say ćafir, ćurs dova, selam alejćum etc.
@@abidsabanovic8188The way that standard Istanbul Turkish pronounces words of Arabic origin quite differently. Istanbul Turkish softens up Arabic and Persian loanwords considerably. Arabic shukur with guttural sounds, turns into very soft şükür in Turkish. Drastically different two languages in every way!
Superb 👏🏻👏🏻👍🏼👍🏼🇧🇦🇲🇰
English subtitles please 😢😢😢😢
Nice word: krcevina, we in polish have sth similar: karczowisko :)
Bahador I'm sorry about the comment section which will 100% be a shitshow as chauvinists will try their best to convince everyone that Macedonians and their language don't exist. Same scenario with my fellow Bosnian brothers who face a similar challenge.
Just want to thank you for giving these two languages a platform to show their characteristics and uniqueness. Ignore the morons.
Pozdrav.
It's to be expected
Oh, brother…
@@markomiljkovic1137 Backstabber
What uniqueness? You just changed the name of a language, Bulgarian, that exists for more than 1500 years, 30 years ago
MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES speak Macedonian language ! ! ! ! !
It would be good to see similarities between Serbian and Macedonian
No such thing as "macedonian". This is a Bulgarian dialect
@@dinos9607 and bulgarian is Macedonian language with 1000 other russian words, stop your cruel politics
They lived centuries in one country - slavic and ottoman as well, so nothing unusual.
@@amigoads7986 Могу да уверим, што брой руской речи в булгарском je много више од хиляды.
Well, you can see it in this video. This is Serbian with a Bosnian dialect.
because the writings remain you have seen some ancient Slavic inscription
Dragu moj ikavac. Dica piju mliko i jedu bili hlib.
In Albanian:
turshi= turši
behar= spring
Albanian slang in Macedonia:
shporet= šporet
zid= zid
kniçka= mala kniga(knička)
izlog
North*
❤️❤️❤️
Good to know about similarities between Bosnian and Macedonian
Serbian and Bulgarian*
@@HeroManNick132 serbians greeks bulgarians are the most backward mindset nation on earth.
@@enjoymfs9715 Okay 🦃
@@HeroManNick132 MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE * * *
Magdonos is a greek derived word, it's normal he didn't know
to me it resembled to the turkish word maydanoz
Here in Bosnia, we use word majdonos, and it came via Otoman Turkish.
Many words that came through Ottoman Turkish are of Greek and Persian origin.
@@amarillorose7810 Arabic*
@@amarillorose7810 source: amarrillorose said so. Greeks and other balkan languages have mainly turkic origin words but they have some arabic origin loanwords as well
That first sentence isnt correct or Iskidala is some local slang but not standard language
The word iskidat’ was especially targeted for its oldness! The same word выскидать изкидать to throw out in Russian has the same meaning. It is a word which is used in every village house around Zenica and furthermore - people know its meaning ! As such it is very interesting it is not what it immediately means but what it is used for as a slang that goes 10 century in the past! When the Russians took this word from us in northern Bulgaria as Scythians they had no idea (it is a slang for God’s sake), but what I am proud about especially is that they have kept it in its original meaning! What an achievement and acknowledgement to the Bosnian people and culture too! We kept it! I must say that I am exceptionally proud of our Bosnian linguistic heritage! I know that I am archaic sometimes but that is how I show my appreciation towards my country.
Bosnian guy Miralem is cute
You should have in the future a Northern "Macedonian" and a Greek to try reading and understanding ancient Macedonian inscriptions that has been found. That would be interesting and a good laugh I guess
Greek? You mean Western Turkish?
@@davd1986💩🍷
The fact is, Slavs invaded the territory and took over the name.
@@tesseg IN MAKEDONIJA --- MACEDONIANS.
Slav ? dance rok en roll .
So if bosniam is similar to Macedonian, then it is similar to bulgarian to some extent?
Yes, as they are all south slavic languages
As native Serbian speaker,I have easier time understanding Macedonian than Bulgarian
That’s because so-called Macedonian is Bulgarian written on a Serbian typewriter. This invented language is a farce
@@Paulynyc hehehe
Calm down guys. Sometimes borders work as political barriers to break one people apart.
As a Bosnian speaker I do not have problem to understand Macedonian. But I can not speak fluently due to accent system. Bosnian language could be difficult since we have 7 cases unlike Macedoninan and Bulgarian that have less I believe 2 or 3. I am not sure. All 3 languages have genders but I believe that 99% nouns have same gender. In all 3 languages there are a lot of words borrowed from Ottoman Turkish.
Seems like the macedonian speaks some serbian
Nem v ruskom takog glagolu Iskidať. I nikad Kidať so vsekim prefiksom ne znače čistiti nešto. Samo ke bi ona razprašala seno v ambaru, još to može tako kazati, ale u smyslu čistiti ambar, - nikto tak ne govore😄
Похоже на смесь русского и сербско-хорватского
@@SB-fw3yrвыкидать means to throw away in sense to declutter ie to clear up in Bosnian and it is not limited to a stable but other things too! The point is that kidat’ means to tear up but it has developed into a phrasal verb! Bы or из кидать as a prefix goes before the root! I wanted to show that both languages have something very old! This is a millennium old word that has almost the same meaning in both languages! As Slavs we should try to keep old phrases and structure of the language! Right now I can see that we are structuring our language in accordance with the English language and their logics! This should stop of course!
I hope there is enough angry greeks again :D
bosnian guy does not have the best control over bosnian. this is already 2nd time to see the similar situation in bahador's videos. i guess you don't have pool of good representatives for bosnian/serbian/cro language. this guy used some twisted terms that noone would use today. most likely he learned language from his parents. his native language is english, as evidenced by his reaction to the word of maydanoz (there was another one, but I forgot). his choice of sentences and order of words are not typical, and are either made up (auto translated from google) or used from the limited pool of knowledge learned by grandparents. come on, miralem, who in their right mind would say "jutrom rano ona bi ustala, iskidala staju te pomozla kravu, ili "dica su kanticom prema krcevini istrcala da beru jagode"...... this is not normal way of talking. this order of words is made up or is from 15th century. no wonder that the other guy could not understand word "iskidala"... noone would use that word??? iskidala means she tore apart, not cleaned. you said bosnians often use word krcevina, but they don't . also, that mushroom is not called mlijesnica (maybe 300 years ago) but mlijecnica. he also could have told the macedonian guy - hey, mlijecnica is a type of mushrom (gljiva) but he seemed to not to know what "gljiva" is... the macedonian guy speaks fluently. i can tell it is his native language. i noticed in macedonian interesting words siseto - this comes from turkish sisa and, magdanoz comes from turksih word maydanoz. macedonian guy talks waaaay toooo much, he needs to slow down and know the measure how much is enoung, but who am i to say after writting a book here, but this bosnian guy irritated me so much that i had to type my impressions here. anyway, miralem, i am sending greetings and i am, actually, prooud of you that you kept knowledge of the language of your ancestors. great job. huh.... cannot belive how much i wrote. loooooool. bahador - great job!!!!! next time i hope to see native speakers (with the stronger control over their native languages) who can show how well we can understand each other.
Variation of a word could be different in the region he or his parents are from so it could be 'S' instead of 'C'
Verb 'iskidati' does exist, especially in certain contexts that does not mean to tear apart, it exists in Montenegrin aswell. In this context it means to clean up. His language is not standard bosnian, but it can still be hard. I agree with the statement that we should use more formal speech, but sometimes we find similarities with others in more archaic speech rather than modern :D
If you tink about Macedonian yes its my notive i talk to much that my nature but just want to show that my lanuguge its part of the Slavic family
@@abidsabanovic8188 yes, miralem made it extremely difficult for the guy... haha poor guy, but he did well despite of the unusual way of miralem's talk. btw. i didn't know about the use of pokidati other than pokidati. really? but that is normal - local speech of each village.
@@petarristovski8530 hey petar, i think you did great despite of miralem's unexpected "trap" for you. he did not make it easy for you. lol. i was half joking about you talking too much, but you did talk too long and poor bahador... loool at one moment he almost wanted to stop you. believe me. i can read reactions from people's faces. i am glad you love languages and to talk... i am myself writing too much. lol. ps. when we can see you next time to show us macedonian.
In Bosnia they have many variations of the same word thus you being surprised; in the Bosnian media they usually stick to same directed (from old Yugoslavian regime directed words...but if you go to different regions you can hear some of these words spelled and pronounced differently; this is also the case in Serbia but they have been cleaning their language for some time through media and schools that only in some regions and villages you hear old words not heard in media or spoken on TV especially older Turkish originated ones
It's all the same one speaks western serbian and the other speaks southern serbian 😂. We have an expression "pricaj srpski I ceo svet te razume"
And everyone understands ''Сърбе на върбе'' what it means.
My grandmother was born as a muslim albanian in skopje. Her family immigrated to turkey after the balkan wars.
Овај не зна да говори-ко да није завршио ни први разред.У опште не зна да састави реченицу.
Shtokavian-Bosnian Register vs Macedonian variety of Slavic(/Bulgarian )
Явно надо больше сравнить македонский и болгарский
сѣверномакедонский єто болгарский
@@krwnik8419македонски*
@@AndrejNikolov-xw2gi ти си Българин
@@krwnik8419Има разлики меѓу сите јужнословенски народи, што се развивале под разни влијанија и историски прилики.
@@krwnik8419 TATJANA MAKEDONKA.
vol .
Main language used in Northern Macedonia is Bulgarian
It is normal, Northern Macedonia is almost Western Bulgaria 😀
Is Greece South Macedonia or Western Turkey?
@@davd1986 Famous Macedonia is back in Greece since 1913, after dark ages
In Greece, we speak Authentic Macedonian.
In North Macedonia, you mainly speak Bulgarian
@@athanatiEllada It's like a mix between Bulgarian and Serbo-Croatian. It's the same deal of how the Ukrainians and Belarusians who don't speak pure version of their language without mixing it with Russian.
Macedonia on top!
🤡
Macedonian is a variety of South Slavic. JUST like Serbo-Croatian and Bulgarian are. Do you notice how the rest of the academic world continues with the understanding that the Slavic Balkan languages form a dialect continuum. No one agrees this should all be called Bulgarian. Despite the fact that Ancient Macedonian was Hellenic - that has zero relevancy today. No one speaks an Ancient Macedonian dialect of Greek. You can pretend all you want, no linguist even remotely agrees. The Slavic dialects of Macedonia, were born there, once the Slavic language moved to the Balkans more than 1500 years ago. You having a problem that a Slavic dialect is named after where its spoken, is irrelevant. Are you going to cry that France is named after the German Franks, but they speak Latin? Cry harder. Saying the Balkan people are unrelated or that Greeks are pure Greeks due to language, is ridiculous. Cope harder chauvinists and nationalists. Look at the title of this video: no one intelligent cares about the fake Greek/Bulgarian plight against Macedonian.
You're no Macedonian but a confused Slav
If what you say is so, then why not be accurate about your "language" and come up with a Slavic-based name for it instead of taking a thoroughly Greek name? Maybe because it tries to give so-called Northern Macedonia some legitimacy after it was created by Tito? When in 1,500 years was it ever, EVER referred to as "Macedonian?" It wasn't, until the mid-20th century, that's when.
@@Paulynyc no worries, you can keep fighting who invented baklava.
@@Paulynyc For what reason should it be given a Slavic based name? Again, do you think with logic? Because that wasn't logical. Its emotional. I, nor other people today, we didn't name it. Other people did, more than 150 years ago people referred to the Slavic dialects of Macedonia, as Macedonian. THAT IS ACCURATE.
A - Its not so called. It is. And its North Macedonia, how difficult is life for you?
B - Wasn't created by Tito, you can belllliiieeevee that all you want. Its anti-Macedonian propaganda. North Macedonia went through legitimate stages of nation building. The name for the language, people, and land predates Tito. Theres evidence for it. There is ZERO evidence he created what you imagine. 0.
C - First and foremost, that land has been called Macedonia more than it hasn't. Greeks can live in delusion idc. Secondly, it doesn't matter if it didn't happen over 1500 years ago, thats not how humanity works. Things change. Thats like saying the USA shouldn't be a nation because it didn't exist as such in the 11th century. Its ridiculous. Why are you ridiculous? I'll tell you why. Its not Macedonians who have to change, or become more Slavic, or anything of the sort. Its your mentality that's the problem. How racist and anti slavic of you? How ignorant of you? To LITERALLY know nothing but propaganda tidbits. As if thats is history. Then you want an entire people and culture and everyone around the world to change to accommodate YOU and other Greeks who NEED - like a drug - NEED nationalism, NEED racism, NEED xenophobia ( a Greek word) to feel superior in culture. Go learn of how EVEN GREEKS referred to "local and native" Macedonians more than 150 years ago. Go learn about how Macedonian has been referred as such for over 150 years. How it used to be written in Greek, so Bulgarians wouldn't read it. Go learn of the great Greek dictator and his evil unholy regime against the Slavs, Metaxas. Go learn how the majority of Macedonia has been Slavic speaking for the past 1500 years. Go learn Macedonian is still spoken in Greek Macedonia despite the continued attempts by evil Greeks who want to squash out Macedonian. Go. Go learn that modern Greeks are mixed Greeks, Slavs, Turks and others. You aren't pure. No Greek is. The Slavs of Macedonia don't need to prove their legitimacy, its in their blood. The people of the Balkans are so mixed its not funny. No, an entire culture, will not change for you. Should France change next for you? Are your emotions ok there? Do you cry that the French is named after Franks? What about Egypt? They speak Arabic. Should they change their name? CRY RIVERS. Macedonians speak Macedonian. A Slavic tongue found in Macedonia. We didn't take anything, it was already ours. Youre a Slav too, only by blood. Bet you have no linguistic ability. Cope harder.
@@Aleks_Ovski416 live with your theft of Hellenism, Bulgarian.
hey miralem im koray from turkey
why you call a Slavic language as Macedonian? With the same thinking the Bosnian language is Macedonian and the Slavic languages in general are Macedonian.
Stop propaganda and learn history
They are called because of the region ''Macedonian,'' despite they have nothing in common with Alexander the Great. Also like how North Macedonian is a dialect of Bulgarian (mixed with Serbo-Croatian), Bosnian is a dialect of Serbian.
@@HeroManNick132........... jadi zeleno.
i plavo. y kenjef.
If Serbo-Croatian-Bosnian-Montenegrin are very close or the same language and our fellow Skopian struggled in understanding it, but would carry a normal conversation with a Bulgarian without umming and humming, then I leave it to you decide. Not to mention that politicians of both countries do not even need a translator when they meet but as usual this will be denied in their country.
You forgot Slovenian (I understand them better than Macedonian and Bulgarian) greetings to the Bulgarians, good people there 💐
@@miralemmehanovic5999 I am Serb & i agree with everything except that Slovene is more similar to Serbo-Croatian-Bosnian. I don't know for Bulgarian but Macedonian is a way more similar to Serbo-Croatian than Slovene. Slovene is it's own "SS" language. I understand Bulgarians more, they are also Shtokavians as Serbs, Bosniaks, Croats.
@@tienshinhan2524 i was on a bus in Slovenia and listening to the radio, I would say that I undestood 90%. I think between understanding Macedinian or Slovenian the intelligibility is roughly the same!
@@miralemmehanovic5999 Well, if you understood Slovene about 90 %, then you would understand Macedonian 100 %. Yes it's true that for Serbian/Bosnian/Croatian/Montenegrin speakers is roughly (almost) the same understanding Macedonian & Slovene, but still Macedonian/Bulgarian a way more, because they're from the same Shtokavian root. I doubt that Bulgarians/Macedonians on one side and Slovenes on other understand each other.
@@miralemmehanovic5999 Ти си българин
Sorry Bahador, all this noise is due to the huge mistake done by Mister Tsipras (ancient Greek prime minister) in 2018/2019.
North Macedonia should have remained a geographic zone.
@@athanatiEllada.................... jedi c'varke.
u Pirot .
MAKEDONIJA EXIST 25 CENTURIES from FILIP KING ON MAKEDONIJA.
Oto german make Greece before 190 years.
И ја вутрово на тераса јутрос
Why dont you do a video on similarities between Macedonian and Bulgarian. Oops I forgot. It is the same language.
It's not the same language though. It is like saying, Swedish and Danish/Norwegian is the same language but they are not the same language.
Of course it is the same language, (not exactly same) the only problem is that so called Bulgarians calls that language with the name from central Asia, which is completely different group of languages. All slavophones have names for them languages in harmony with the country where they live, except Bulgarians who have for the language (which they use from the 8th-9th century) the name of a people and language from central Asia. Thank you for the all videos you are making dear Bahador 😊
@@bitolcanecc Then you call Swedish, Danish and Norwegian the same language? Because there are only a few differences in these languages, and in written form we can understand each other very well. Spoken Danish is more difficult to understand than spoken Bokmål, for us Swedes. Did you know that the Sami language have a lot of different dialects, even though they all are considered dialects, all dialects are not mutually intelligible, it depends on location and dialect etc ... I am just saying that languages can be very similar, but they are different languages, Meanwhile dialects can be so different but considered one language.
@@eliasnjetski1146 So called Bulgarians speaks Macedonian language.
@@bitolcanecc Anyway. Ok. I do not care really, if someone says that I speak Norwegian I am fine with it. Just a small comparison. Have a wonderful day 🌈
Btw, out of topic but anyways. Do you think N. Macedonia will be able to join the EU soon? You do not have to answer, but if you want to. My country and the other Nordic/Baltic countries would not stop you to join, but maybe Bulgaria and a few other countries, maybe. Like we is not part of Nato because of Turkey.
Предобро видео голем поздрав од Македонија!!!
Северна*
🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰
Хубав фалшив вентилатор от 1995 година ми развяваш! 🤣
@@HeroManNick132............. duvaj .
u banderi.
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Повечето македонци сте като Степан Бандера, точно.
Τhere's no Macedonian language nowadays! Macedonian was a dialect of ancient greek (or maybe a closely related idiom) spoken in macedonian region in the ancient times. The most appropriate term is "Slavomacedonian", which in fact is just a dialect of bulgarian with a serbian influence.
it's the other way around, bulgarized Serbian
…. and the native speakers call it Macedonian - so there is Macedonian - which is a slavic language closely related to Bulgarian. What‘s your Problem with that?
From a Bosnian, kindly shut the f*** up sir.
So as a Macedonian who speak my notive language wich is Macedonian so you telling me that my language no existed and i speak dilalect ? The Bulgarian its a dilalect cause has more non Slavic Hora,Turkish for horda or people bashta Turkish for Baba or Father and so on and the Greek ita dialect of our to why cause it make by the KOINE MACEDONIAN or they called old greek but they don't underrstand at all and we do what that means who is fake now ???
"Ancient Macedonian was the language of the ancient Macedonians which was either a dialect of Ancient Greek or a separate Hellenic language." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonian_language
This was terrible
I agree because he say he is Bosnian but not once does he indicate or say anything about Islam. So many missed opportunities in the video. In Pakistan for years always we are making dua for Islam to thrive in Bosnia.
@@zubairmohammadyusuf942 What the fuck?! Religion is not the topic of this video, just the language similarities. Pakistan is far in South Asia. A country which I would never visit. How do you know their religion? Not all people from Bosnia & Herzegovina is muslims nor christians. Ridiculous comment from a Pakistani! Fix your country like India. See how India is progressing every and each year regarding human rights and IT developing, money etc... Jai Hind 🚩
Troll
@@zubairmohammadyusuf942 another troll
@@samspear8772 so what are you then? The troll’s bitch? 🤣
What macedonian language? Macedonian language = Greek language, What the guys are speaking are a bulgarian dialect and a serbocroatian dialect.
You should explain that to Stevo Pendarovski
@@HeroManNick132....... CREP .
Bosnian sounds like a Yugoslavian language with Arab Influence.
What is a Yugoslavian language?
haha Yugoslavian language doesn't exist but probably they should have created one and standardized all these Croatian, Bosnian, Montenegrin and Serbian versions into Yugo language but they were not thinking clearly and the words are Turkish not arabic even though there are some arabic and Persian words that came through Ottoman Empire as those were the languages of the elite
@@krwnik8419 Serbo-Croatian probably
@@dzevadbayraktar322 SVE NAJBOLJE ! ! Tatjana od MAKEDONIJA
Macedonian was a dialect of Greek. This person appears to be speaking Bulgarian. Slavic languages are not native to the Balkans.
Bulgarian mixed with Serbo-Croatian. Bosnian is a dialect of Serbo-Croatian.
лол
You mean: Similarities Between Serbian and Bulgarian?
no
Wrong.
@@spartan2188 🤡
such a disgusting people serbs are
@@enjoymfs9715 Turks when the entire world is not 🦃:
I guess macedonian is close to Serbian
Смешно сърбе.
@@HeroManNick132 смешно је брате Булгарите...али ако погледаш речи и вокабулар .
Бугари су ближи на Руски језик
@@nikmoj1522 Заради азбуката и близките думи ли? Македонският е посърбен диалект на българския.
Защо? Защото документите го доказват и плюс това само българският и македонският са аналитични езици от славянските, всичките останали - не.
@@HeroManNick132 А Ноје ..Сем/Хам/јафет?
јесу ли они Срби или Бугари
So is it fair to say Macedonians used to be Hellenic and then they became Slavic in the same Hellenic people of Anatolia became Turkic?
It is patently false, as any respected linguist or polyglot would swiftly discern through their extensive knowledge. As a practitioner of Koine Greek, I can confidently assert that the opposite is indeed verifiable! It is indeed the case that all Slavic languages are descended from the ancient tongue of Macedonia, and the Bosnian dialect stands as an especially authentic variation thereof, considering the proliferation of our people. Even the Demotic inscriptions contained on the Rosetta Stone can be identified as Macedonian, and it is astonishingly simple for even the most tender of Slavic children to translate their semantic import. Thus, I must emphatically dissent from your assertion on this matter, given my unbounded esteem for the dialect and people of Macedonia!
@@miralemmehanovic5999 " It is indeed the case that all Slavic languages are descended from the ancient tongue of Macedonia." How can you make that statement if you are indeed a "practitioner of Koine Greek?"
@@Paulynyc With relative ease, I am able to make such a claim, owing to my capacity to detect relationships between the ancient Macedonian and Koine Greek tongues by delving into the very core of the language and exploring its complete etymology.
@@miralemmehanovic5999 mmmm, what a supreme control over english. and good post too. ma drage moje mlijesnice.
The Macedonians are Slavs, not Hellenic.
Both are slavicized Balkans
We are the brith of the Slavic nations and lanugauges
@@petarristovski8530 We are not, that is nationalism, you need to stop.
The first Slavia was Bosnia! In fact, we claim to be the very essence of Slavs! Macedonia even more with their language which was the basis of Church Slavic language and if you knew the rules of the language as well as the DNA studies you would speak differently!
That is slavic no macedonian.Macedonian was a languange of greece we greek no slavic
Tell that to Stevo Pendarovski.
@@HeroManNick132 l will fuck these guys who stoles our history
@@dro.g.t4476 Good luck to go to Skopje and go to their parlaments and tell to Stevo Pendarovski and Dimitar Kovachevski.
It’s the North Macedonian republic language not the Greek one from Greece
@@teknul89..... go in....... north Antartik.
prespa dogovor -- krivic'no delo. sds programa 2016 nema
menuvanje IME na MAKEDONIJA. dogovor - y wc.
This was more croatian vs bulgarian imo🤣
Ummm no. I'm Macedonian, but have been living in the US since my childhood. I still have a hard time understanding Bulgarian. They use many words I'm not familair with. Find a comparison video of both languages and you'll see what I'm talking about.
@@spartan2188NorthMacedonians use SerboCroatian words when talking about education, science, art because of Yugoslavia. Same words in Bulgarian are derived from Russian. The base of the language is the same. It's one language. It's Bulgarian. NorthMacedonian Is geograpichal, regional identity.
@@krwnik8419 Wrong. I speak Macedonian fluently and when I hear two Bulgarians speak, I understand about 60% to 70%. There is NO way I can understand them completely unless I'm taught. If the language was very similar, this would not have happened. It's not as similar as you think. So wrong, wrong, wrong buddy. And if you say that it's a dialect, I can easily say Bulgarian is a Macedonian dialect. But in reality, the languages are different enough to consider them separate.
@@spartan2188 why all VMROists wrote in standard Bulgarian language, Bulgarian cyrilic and declared themselves as Bulgarian?
Why is the anthem of VMRO written in standard Bulgarian language? Your grandpa sang this...
ua-cam.com/video/cTmDXQT9CDs/v-deo.html
@@spartan2188 Хайде поамериканчено спартанче да те видим тогава!
There is no such language as "'Macedonian", no nation either. These are Bulgarians and their language is Bulgarian altered with some Serbian influence to pretend being otherwise. Bosnian is just Serbian. Anyway, Serbian and Bulgarian share too many similarities to permit some intelligibility (easier from Serbian to Bulgarian since the lattter has more simple grammar). As for Macedonia, that is a region of Greece, and Macedonians are regional Greeks. We need to stop this new age fabrication of fake nations that serve geopolitical interests.
You could say Serbian is Croatian in that case. You are totally wrong. I guess you are from Greece and due to that you are most likely biased. I am from Sweden and both Macedonian and Bosnia are their own languages but they both are pretty similar. Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian can be considered as one language bc of their similarities in vocabulary and so on. However, there are even dialects in their own languages, like Croatia have three or four major dialects. Me as I Swede could say that Norwegian and Danish are the same language like my language, because its so similar, but it's not only about similarities and so on. You should know it. Let's go to Slovenia and have a coffee there. 😀 Maybe Croatia. Slovenia made a huge step last year regarding human rights and equality for its citizens. I would like to visit both Greece and N. Macedonia but not Serbia, due to their stands on this war and all the conflicts there.
@@eliasnjetski1146 Cut the cap, you fool nobody. Αll these artificial states claim to have their own language which is just a propagandist lie. Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian is just Serbian. Because Croatians hated for so long Serbians they called the Serbian they speak as Croatian thus internationally it came to be known as Serbocroatian. Bosnians jumped on the bandwago thus I have read the term Serbocroatobosnian as well. The fact of the matter is that the language is one and Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian would not even rank as dialects of this one language, they are rather idioms. All Croatians, Serbians, Bosnians speak with each other without the slightest problem. One language. I could not care less about their nationalistic issues.
As for what you call propagandistically "macedonian" it is not a language, it is a Bulgarian dialect. If I speak to you in Bulgarian you would not miss a word. For example I tell Skopjans "ta ti eba maika ta" and they get offended and when I ask them how on earth can they be offended if they don't speak Bulgarian, they get even more offended. It is all a circus.
I am Macedonian. A real one. Because I am Greek. Skopje lies north of Macedonia has no right to claim the Greek name of a Greek region just because geopolitical games want it to be so. The case of course will be soon resolved as the 40% Albanian """"minority"""" (basically half this artificial country if you add with them the few Turks there) will seek to break away and the rest, Bulgarians for the most will seek re-uniting with mama-Bulgaria.
@@eliasnjetski1146 No, he just knows history as written by non-Greek academics. Seems the only ones who don't know are so-called Northern Macedonians"
@@Paulynyc You are being disrespectful by saying so-called Northern Macedonians. Just so you know. I know the Balkan region is full of conflicts and stuff, not like western, northern and central Europe. We have other smaller problems here. I know that greeks and people in that area are very passionate about their history and proud people, nothing wrong with that, but when it creates hate and conflicts, then it is wrong. Both Greeks, Macedonians (people from North Macedonia), Bulgarians are all welcome to visit us here in Sweden/Finland. We do not hate you, or have any conflicts with you. Btw, I like how progressive some areas and the laws are in Greece. 😃🌈 Did you know that Helena Paparizou is a big singer both in Sweden and Greece. 😃 Todays focus should be stopping Russia's regime and stop the war that is ongoing you know. These disputes about history and stuff can be put aside. At the end of the day we are all humans, right? Please tell me how do you think? I like Azis from Bulgaria, and those people that I've met from N. Macedonia that lives in Sweden as well. I forgot, we are still mad on Turkey, but that is another thing. 😆
@@eliasnjetski1146 Serbian and Croatian are the same language (only the Chakavian and Kajkavian dialects in Croatia can be considered a different language). Macedonian and Bulgarian are not exactly in the same situation as some want to make it out to be, yes they both do not have cases, ie. I think they only have one. Macedonian has a more similar vocabulary to Serbian, i.e. Southern Serbian dialects, Macedonian and Western Bulgarian dialects are very similar, but Eastern Bulgarian dialects are almost completely incomprehensible to both Macedonians and Southern Serbian dialects.
Do Bulgarian and so-called North Macedonian…I dare you.
Why not Serbian and Bosnian?
why "so-called"?
@@r.s.5557 Because it's an artifice.
If you knew anything, you would realize they are very different, even more than Bosnian. There are UA-cam videos comparing the languages and you will be surprised how different they are. Just type it in the search bar and you'll see.
@@PaulynycBulgarian is also artifice in some ways because it resembles Russian in writing.
That’s not Macedonian 😅Macedonian speak and right only Greek because they was Greeks all the stones and money / coins are in Greek language and it’s the same 3000+ years now and any Greek can read them till today ! Stop fake History!
Tell that to Stevo Pendarovski
Same people thats why they speak the same language.Macedonian language does NOT exist. It is a Bulgarian dialect and belongs to Slavic. North Macedonian language and not Macedonian.Macedonians spoke and speak Greek and live in Greece as always. The only differens between Bosnians and North Macedonians is the religion. Ottomans forced Islam to Bosnians and the Greeks the Orthodoxism to NMK.
It's not macedonian, it's either bulgarian or serbian language.
The only language Makedonians spoke and speak is greek. The Land you are refering to is called "Vardarska Banovina" and has been renamed by Tito in the 40s for obvious reasons. The worst is that this multicultural state has taken the history of 3 different neighboring countries and put it in a mixer together with the old japanese flag, the greek names and symbols and call it theirs. By goverment and schoolbooks brainwashed, they really belive all these fairytales.
Face it, your population, dna and language ist up to 80% bulgarian and you habe nothing in common with ancient macedonians.
Protobulgarian, Serbs, and Illyrians were in the balkans ages later than Megas Alexandros.
So stop emberassing yourselfs and accept your Bulgarian heritage.
Hahah yeah my language its noting to do with Bulgarian and you say that Macedonian its greek then why you called your self a greek why are not called Macedonian ? If we are make by Tito we will be Croatians and you sayed defenders of Varadarian Macedonia ? Hahaah 1913 why are you Take Agean Macedonia you its yours why did you not havet from the begining ? In 1946 up till 1949 you kill 3 milions Macedonians theres you spys in fornt of there houses to see if they speak Macedonian you will kill or punish them ? If you are defernders ? Why did you do that we have people to comfrm that you sayed greek your Greek its made in Bavariva in 1833 by the German ligvist there is a documet for that in Viena saound that greek its made on the base od KOINE MACEDONIAN old verison that kings used for them self we have document for that to on the end why are you not undersuted that lanuguage we do who its the fake here ? If its Alexandar its yours then why are you called his Father not Greek king or Barbarian ? So Filip its not yours but Alexandar its yours ? The you can see the old Romans Maps and Find Greece plece ? Nope there only Macedonia with all parts the Romans cronical cale Baptilij sayas it that province lives a people not Greek origins with not greek Lanuagages so ? Thanks to you creatiers you have Country from 1832 and Bulgarians in 1908 we have the evidance of that and documentc and Show me the document that Tito made me where its is i can find it
Correct
I'm a Romanian Aromanian(Vlach) and we all call Macedonians "Bulgarians" because we know what they are: VOLGARIANS
That is fundamentally not true on many levels.
Its Macedonian, cry a river. Modern Macedonian is Slavic. Its also spoken by Greeks. Ever heard of history? The Slavs moved to the Balkans and Greece. CRY A RIVER. No one calls it Vardarska Banovina. That a provincial name, each Yugoslav province was named after a river. You literally don't know anything but emotions.
@@Aleks_Ovski416 Do you suffer, Bulgarian?
@@saebica Bulgarian is a social identity. The genetics of the Balkans is shared. As I don't identify as a Bulgarian, and none in my family for as far back as 350 years comes from anywhere even near Bulgaria. If it helps you for small-minded reasons to call me a Bulgarian, you do that. Doesn't change my identity, my nation or language's name. Cope and cope more.
similarities between Serbian and Serbian lol
Bash si smeshen ne se sekjavam deka vie imate zborovi kako Magdonos,Zajak,Obleka i slichno
You are not even funny. It is like saying similarities between Croatian and Croatian which is false as well.
Bulgarian
@@krwnik8419 Bulgarian belongs completely to other group of languages.
@@bitolcanecc You are Bulgarian
What is Bosnian language? It's totally fake, like speaking "American" language instead of English.
Like Seriban to make by Vuk Karadjic in 1800
Bosnian language is the language you speak you stupid fuck. If you want to speak the language of your forefathers switch to Obrenović language.
Actually Bosnian is a base for standard Serbian and Croatian. Standard languages that we speak now was constructed under Austro-Hungarian KuK. Vuk Karadžić was their agent.
When you analyze dialects in Serbia you would be surprised that differences among those dialects is so big that ppl can not understand each other. Similar is with dialects in Croatia.
@@tangocash342 You are talking nonsense. I clearly understand every Serbian dialect, including Bosnian dialect (Serbian with Turkish loan words). I only don't understand Bulgarian, about 30%. Bosnian language doesn't exist, it was manufactured in 1990s. Montenegrin also. Macedonian is basically mixed Serbian and Bulgarian. Bosnia is just a geographical term, not an ethnicity. Never was until the 20th century. Let's not forget they called themselves Muslims ( like nationality) and only in 1990s the new term was created - Bosniaks. All medieval Bosnian Kings never ever called themselves Bosnians, Bosniaks or anything similar. King Tvrtko was from the same line as Serbian Kings. He was orthodox, crowned in Serbian monastery, with the Serbian title, clearly speaking Serbian. I'm historian (not in Serbia, but in US ) so need to argue with me with your non existent facts. The only truth is that Bosnians today are muslimized Serbs and Croats, that they converted because they didn't want to get genocided, they got benefits, lower taxes, etc. Nothing wrong with that, but don't claim you are a separate nation, when all the Bosnian Bans and Kings proclaimed themselves as Serbians and Orthodox.
And this is why they are different languages in balkans and not just dialects, Greeks and Bulgars keep that in Mind.
Greeks don't care if you want to claim its different than Bulgarian. It simply historically inaccurate to claim a Slavic language has anything to so with ancient Macedoni. This is the issue. I personally think the people of Northern Macedonia are partially related to the ancient Macedonians as many have Greek DNA, which has been mixed with Slavic. It is the historically innacurate claims that no rational person, Greek or not, can go along with.
@@Demetrios123 Nobody claims that the ancient Macedonians spoke a Slavic language that is impossible due to the fact that we got here in the 6 century in this era, 900 years or so after Alexander. So nobody claims that they spoke a Slavic language that's silly at best and stupid at worst. We arrived here from what is today Poland both we and the Srbs , the Bulgaras have tartar and gypsy roots so i can't speak on their behave, the thing you must understand that many of the original Macedonians where assimilated in our society and that is why we also should not be discredited as non Macedonians, We share as much with them as we share with Poland. Being here for more then 1500 years 517 Under the turks but even now we never forgot our roots and even now ethnic Macedonians are 99% Orto Christian despite their oppression.
Learn about how many towns cities and villages where renamed once greece took control, learn of the ethnic cleansing that happend their, my people there not even aloud to speak their Language but where told you are greek and must speak greek, that is the problem not the Ancient history part, if we did not agree with the history we would not have agreed to the Prespa Agreement, i can go on and on on what really happend to our people there but greeks will never admit to it, so whats the point?
@@Petreski447 The term Slav wasn't used before Ekaterina II. The so called ''Slavic'' origin is really disputed as if the Bulgars were true ''Tatars''
If Bulgarians are ''Tatars'' why in most DNA tests shows that Italians are the closest to us?
@@HeroManNick132 cuz you are gypsy people like them
@@Petreski447 Само това ви е оправданието, колкото да не се признаете за българи... И при вас има такива, ама си мълчите?