Don't know how I missed this video when it came out, but I work at the MOR-Ryde campus that builds that suspension upgrade and the steps that you have installed.. Glad to see that you are happy with the products that we work so hard to accomplish for our customers!
Might be a good idea on the next loaded haul stop at a cat scale an have your rig weighed. Most people have these things way over loaded without realizing it
that's where I reside, I hope you are checking out the Manatees while here and you have to try to get to the Seafood Sellars Restaurant. great seafood and then there is also Crackers if you want to be able to sit by the water with you meal. Have fun guys. By the way I love the upgrades you have done I am sure they will help make the travel trailer last so much longer.
Our fifth wheel came with the MorRide. For sure things don’t move around inside while traveling like our previous RV. I do have one shackle that will not take grease I need to take apart and clean.
I had a 2007 Pace 8.5x24 cargo trailer that came with torsion axles. Unless I was driving in Michigan, everything would stay where it was on the bench and stuff. The torsion axles have a variable spring rate which results in the trailer always moving and dancing behind you. No problems pulling, but interesting that it was always moving. Didn't get much shock load from it when hitting bumps or transitions. But with the independent axles, we did have to be careful with our loading to balance it properly and set the ride height of the hitch to to it dead level. Guess that's why they use the walking suspension. My replacement trailer when I downsized has torsion axles since I like the ride.
I think they consider them 4400 lb axles Did the same to mine Also check out morrydes x brace its a brace that goes from hanger to hanger It bolts in and prevents side to side movement when turning to prevent hanger failures U will need 3
That walking type suspension is a must have under multi axle trailers. It helps share the load over the axles, otherwise they "point load" as you go over high and low spots. I've not seen that particular version with the additional rubber bushing though. Be interesting to see how they go long term.
Which is interesting because I see less and less trailers coming with the tandem style suspension. Most have some form of a slipper spring or a torsion axle
When did cars stop using leaf springs? European countries Leaf springs were widely used in cars until the late 1970's. Today you can find them in classic cars as well as in the rear suspension of many pickup trucks and vans Cars Shock absorbers, springs, coilovers Trailers Torsion trailer axles offer a smoother ride and less maintenance.
@@MrGhostLt it really depends in the US. As far as passenger cars, they were mostly cometley gone by the 80s and 90s, but had been gone from front suspension since before the 50s. Trucks had leaf springs on all 4 corners as recently as 2004. With many of the true heavy duty option still having rear leafs today.
Great upgrades, what is really sad, is that you pay so much for those trailers already, and yes...it's not "small amounts", and they put what for any car manufacturer would be considered below minimum requirements. These are things that SHOULD be included honestly. I'm sure that these trailer places could do all of this as a package for probably 1/2 the price you paid for this after the fact. I do agree, relatively easy DIY kit, but shoot, I'd rather have that on the trailer as a standard myself.
As I see it that Kodiak is a money pit. Should strip all them axles off the bottom and put it on a good construction type trailer flatbed. I'm not just saying that about the Kodiak brand they're all built like that underrated suspension. My recommendation would be when buying a camper trailer like that plan on spending an extra ten grand for upgrades if you plan to travel with it. Thanks for the videos and being so upfront about all the issues.
Ask your Cusin if he wants to perform a collaboration with you. to see if you can install a 4 link suspension on your trailer or an air bag install… I hope the new suspension works great for you guys Happy trails
Might be a nice upgrade for my car hauler... although I don't use it for heavy loads (my truck and hitch is lower rated than the trailer by a fair margin). It's a 22 year old 7000lb dual axle... 14' long if memory serves. Every time I tow it, I feel every bump it hits, perhaps this would help?
Adam, how much does the fully loaded trailer weigh, when YOU load it for a trip? Maybe it should have full 5,200 lb running gear complete!! Trailer Mfg. put as light of gear on these things as they think they can get away with. 1) Cut cost. 2) Fudge the numbers, to allow for a lighter capacity tow vehicle. Federal DOT, should really come down hard on this, as it affects safety of families on the road. Best wishes from the far North.
@abom79 Hey Adam, next upgrade… while you have a good system now… in the meantime, investigate the availability of ROLLER BUSHINGS in that size. I have them on my Peterbilt… I know the sizes aren’t comparable BUT… they should be available. They require that the spring eye be Reamed out to accept the casing of the Roller and THAT IS RIGHT UP YOUR ALLEY. The roller bushings allows for a SMOOTHER stretch of the spring as the axles BOUNCE UP. Stock bushings work well when they are greased well and often, but in between greasings, they …as you know will pump out grease rather quickly… ROLLER BUSHINGS do not pump dry as fast as a bronze bushing and will stay free longer. All SHOCK is amplified when the stock bushings start getting dry and they “GRAB or STALL” on the Bound and this leads to No or little Rebound that results in a increased shock…. FOOD FOR THOUGHT… I hope you or Abby read this. “ROLLER BUSHINGS” they are a thing.
Adam; A day or so ago I caught a video this guy posted where he was pulling his trailer in Alaska and had the trailer frame bend severely between the trailer body and the hitch! Turns out many trailer manufacturers buy ready made frames from one particular maker. The steel is only 1/8” and he found others who were totally ghosted by the dealership, the trailer manufacturer and that frame maker! “You’re the first person to ever report this” was the common reply! BS! You, as a skilled guy, could make two reinforcements to pep up the beams running back from your hitch before you have this happen to you an Abby. BOL Mike C
Yup. Those 2 words on the side of the trailer, "Ultra Lite" mean it was built with the thinnest materials possible. These Ultra Lites were built for the 1/2 ton trucks to be able to pull.
Adam , I know we have to modify a lot of the manufacturer's junk they put out as new but holy cow...... does anybody make a travel trailer to actually travel???
Might be that is the newer leaf springs that did it. You can see in one of the pictures how the leafs were almost upside down with the bouncing that's occurred driving that around.
In European countries you will see Rubber Suspension Axle / some with shocks // only really old stuff and some semi still use leaf spring Torsion trailer axles offer a smoother ride and less maintenance. Leaf springs are more durable, less expensive and far easier to replace parts on
I don't understand why they refuse to sell replacement rubber springs. Seems like a waste to buy a whole new unit when you just want the springs to restore the ride quality after a few years. They sell replacement bronze bushings, but no rubber springs.
The rubber should be vulcanized to the walking yoke. Otherwise the rubber would walk out of the yoke in short order. Agreed that they should have a different retention system on the rubber, to allow easy replacement. But, hey, planned obsolescence.
While the OEM pumps out thousands of units and patting themselves on the back about those profit margins, their customers are having to shell out the big money to fix their shortcomings. Possible bent axles or broken springs? I guess that information was accidentally left out of the brochure.
I'm sorry but that's sad that Kodiak put such junk axles in thier trailers. I just chuckle when I see "ultra light" under Kodiak. Yeah, the axles are in fact ultra lightweight
Look ... I know Kodiak probably is one of your sponsors but if you had an Airstream none of these suspension upgrades would have been necessary. I have had mine over 30 years...same axels & no bends. It rides and pulls like butter. They are initially more expensive but they don't skimp on their trailers. That's a big problem to be having on an almost new camper.
Don't know how I missed this video when it came out, but I work at the MOR-Ryde campus that builds that suspension upgrade and the steps that you have installed..
Glad to see that you are happy with the products that we work so hard to accomplish for our customers!
Might be a good idea on the next loaded haul stop at a cat scale an have your rig weighed. Most people have these things way over loaded without realizing it
Thanks for showing telling, I’ll do my 30’ foot thanks to you. Keep on showing telling thanks again see you next time see ya bye.
That's great Adam. Anything that reduces your stress hauling the trailer is also an upgrade!... Cheers Blessings!
that's where I reside, I hope you are checking out the Manatees while here and you have to try to get to the Seafood Sellars Restaurant. great seafood and then there is also Crackers if you want to be able to sit by the water with you meal. Have fun guys. By the way I love the upgrades you have done I am sure they will help make the travel trailer last so much longer.
Well there you go. Nobody can say your not unsprung heroes now....😁
Was nice to see you at the Flywheelers. Hope you enjoyed the beef jerky and sausage.
I was enjoying that beef jerky on the drive up to Crystal River! Thank you!
@@Abom79 Hope you like the sausage also. Had a nice conversation with your stepdad and mom about how I learned to make it.
❤ nice video
Our fifth wheel came with the MorRide. For sure things don’t move around inside while traveling like our previous RV.
I do have one shackle that will not take grease I need to take apart and clean.
Like the new axles
I grew up in Crystal River! I hope you folks have fun.
I had a 2007 Pace 8.5x24 cargo trailer that came with torsion axles. Unless I was driving in Michigan, everything would stay where it was on the bench and stuff. The torsion axles have a variable spring rate which results in the trailer always moving and dancing behind you. No problems pulling, but interesting that it was always moving. Didn't get much shock load from it when hitting bumps or transitions. But with the independent axles, we did have to be careful with our loading to balance it properly and set the ride height of the hitch to to it dead level. Guess that's why they use the walking suspension. My replacement trailer when I downsized has torsion axles since I like the ride.
Did you upgrade your spring hangers / shackles with the angled steel braces, or did your trailer come from the factory like that?
I see your video is from 2 years ago, my question is how is the cr3000 holding up? Thanks
I think they consider them 4400 lb axles Did the same to mine
Also check out morrydes x brace its a brace that goes from hanger to hanger It bolts in and prevents side to side movement when turning to prevent hanger failures U will need 3
Nice video, thank you for sharing. Did the CRE3000 upgrade raise the ride hight of your trailer at all?
That walking type suspension is a must have under multi axle trailers. It helps share the load over the axles, otherwise they "point load" as you go over high and low spots. I've not seen that particular version with the additional rubber bushing though. Be interesting to see how they go long term.
Which is interesting because I see less and less trailers coming with the tandem style suspension. Most have some form of a slipper spring or a torsion axle
When did cars stop using leaf springs?
European countries
Leaf springs were widely used in cars until the late 1970's. Today you can find them in classic cars as well as in the rear suspension of many pickup trucks and vans
Cars Shock absorbers, springs, coilovers
Trailers Torsion trailer axles offer a smoother ride and less maintenance.
@@MrGhostLt it really depends in the US. As far as passenger cars, they were mostly cometley gone by the 80s and 90s, but had been gone from front suspension since before the 50s. Trucks had leaf springs on all 4 corners as recently as 2004. With many of the true heavy duty option still having rear leafs today.
hey bud how do you like the Hankook tires versus the Goodyears you had? About to upgrade my tires for our big summer trips and wanted your opinion
they also sell a shackle brace kit which would add alot of frame strenght
I know you have put a fair number of parts on trailer but it’s seen some miles. How has the Ram been? Had to work on it too?
So far the Ram has had the batteries and tires replaced. I take it in for service regularly.
Great upgrades, what is really sad, is that you pay so much for those trailers already, and yes...it's not "small amounts", and they put what for any car manufacturer would be considered below minimum requirements. These are things that SHOULD be included honestly. I'm sure that these trailer places could do all of this as a package for probably 1/2 the price you paid for this after the fact.
I do agree, relatively easy DIY kit, but shoot, I'd rather have that on the trailer as a standard myself.
As I see it that Kodiak is a money pit. Should strip all them axles off the bottom and put it on a good construction type trailer flatbed. I'm not just saying that about the Kodiak brand they're all built like that underrated suspension. My recommendation would be when buying a camper trailer like that plan on spending an extra ten grand for upgrades if you plan to travel with it. Thanks for the videos and being so upfront about all the issues.
Ask your Cusin if he wants to perform a collaboration with you. to see if you can install a 4 link suspension on your trailer or an air bag install… I hope the new suspension works great for you guys
Happy trails
Might be a nice upgrade for my car hauler... although I don't use it for heavy loads (my truck and hitch is lower rated than the trailer by a fair margin). It's a 22 year old 7000lb dual axle... 14' long if memory serves. Every time I tow it, I feel every bump it hits, perhaps this would help?
most of these kits are designed for two 7000 lbs axles. I've had them installed on my scrap trailer for the last 13 years and Love them.
Like # 300. I like round numbers.
Adam, how much does the fully loaded trailer weigh, when YOU load it for a trip? Maybe it should have full 5,200 lb running gear complete!! Trailer Mfg. put as light of gear on these things as they think they can get away with. 1) Cut cost. 2) Fudge the numbers, to allow for a lighter capacity tow vehicle.
Federal DOT, should really come down hard on this, as it affects safety of families on the road.
Best wishes from the far North.
Smooth
In the trucking industry that is known as a walking beam suspension.
@abom79 Hey Adam, next upgrade… while you have a good system now… in the meantime, investigate the availability of ROLLER BUSHINGS in that size.
I have them on my Peterbilt… I know the sizes aren’t comparable BUT… they should be available. They require that the spring eye be Reamed out to accept the casing of the Roller and THAT IS RIGHT UP YOUR ALLEY.
The roller bushings allows for a SMOOTHER stretch of the spring as the axles BOUNCE UP.
Stock bushings work well when they are greased well and often, but in between greasings, they …as you know will pump out grease rather quickly… ROLLER BUSHINGS do not pump dry as fast as a bronze bushing and will stay free longer.
All SHOCK is amplified when the stock bushings start getting dry and they “GRAB or STALL” on the Bound and this leads to No or little Rebound that results in a increased shock…. FOOD FOR THOUGHT… I hope you or Abby read this. “ROLLER BUSHINGS” they are a thing.
Adam;
A day or so ago I caught a video this guy posted where he was pulling his trailer in Alaska and had the trailer frame bend severely between the trailer body and the hitch!
Turns out many trailer manufacturers buy ready made frames from one particular maker. The steel is only 1/8” and he found others who were totally ghosted by the dealership, the trailer manufacturer and that frame maker!
“You’re the first person to ever report this” was the common reply!
BS! You, as a skilled guy, could make two reinforcements to pep up the beams running back from your hitch before you have this happen to you an Abby.
BOL
Mike C
Yup. Those 2 words on the side of the trailer, "Ultra Lite" mean it was built with the thinnest materials possible. These Ultra Lites were built for the 1/2 ton trucks to be able to pull.
... Cheers to you ...
Adam , I know we have to modify a lot of the manufacturer's junk they put out as new but holy cow...... does anybody make a travel trailer to actually travel???
'When or whenever', interesting to a non American.
Gotten and bycycling same.
Keep moving brandy! ! !
👍 Did it raise the trailer height? Looks a little bit taller.
Might be that is the newer leaf springs that did it. You can see in one of the pictures how the leafs were almost upside down with the bouncing that's occurred driving that around.
I'll never understand why trailer manufacture do not put shocks on the axles.
In European countries you will see Rubber Suspension Axle / some with shocks // only really old stuff and some semi still use leaf spring
Torsion trailer axles offer a smoother ride and less maintenance.
Leaf springs are more durable, less expensive and far easier to replace parts on
Check out Outdoors RV. They come standard with the Morryde CRE 3000, brass bushings, and wet bolts. And the axles are rated over their GVWR.
Upgrade the trailer tongue?
To be honest Adam it should have come from the factory like this without you spending more on it
I don't understand why they refuse to sell replacement rubber springs. Seems like a waste to buy a whole new unit when you just want the springs to restore the ride quality after a few years. They sell replacement bronze bushings, but no rubber springs.
The rubber should be vulcanized to the walking yoke. Otherwise the rubber would walk out of the yoke in short order. Agreed that they should have a different retention system on the rubber, to allow easy replacement. But, hey, planned obsolescence.
While the OEM pumps out thousands of units and patting themselves on the back about those profit margins, their customers are having to shell out the big money to fix their shortcomings. Possible bent axles or broken springs? I guess that information was accidentally left out of the brochure.
I want a van that I can sleep in and go RVing in. I can't handle the "Big Iron" you got.
I'm sorry but that's sad that Kodiak put such junk axles in thier trailers. I just chuckle when I see "ultra light" under Kodiak. Yeah, the axles are in fact ultra lightweight
Is that a girly "chuckle"?
Look ... I know Kodiak probably is one of your sponsors but if you had an Airstream none of these suspension upgrades would have been necessary. I have had mine over 30 years...same axels & no bends. It rides and pulls like butter. They are initially more expensive but they don't skimp on their trailers. That's a big problem to be having on an almost new camper.