Ex Total War Developer Exposes Rome 2 DISASTER

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  • @thunderbagel3886
    @thunderbagel3886 20 днів тому +466

    This quote from McKinlay's statement is my favorite: "My view is that the continued success of the franchise is better explained by the patience and goodwill of its players than it is by the stewardship of Total War’s management."

    • @MrBell-iq3sm
      @MrBell-iq3sm 20 днів тому +63

      If the Total War players had put their foot down earlier, we would have had better games, but most consumers have neither taste nor self-respect.

    • @p1971cuda
      @p1971cuda 20 днів тому +33

      @@MrBell-iq3smdefinitely; last years Warhammer, hyenas and pharaoh controversy seems completely forgotten now that CA have released a passable DLC that has been spliced into 3rds to make it seem cheaper. It helps that there is barely anything that even comes close to resembling total war, CA has no real competitors in their niche market.

    • @MrBell-iq3sm
      @MrBell-iq3sm 20 днів тому +4

      @@p1971cuda I think the competition is on the rise. I loved Empire and Napoleon Total War for example, and now I am looking forward to Ultimate General: American Revolution, hoping that the game will be great, and the studio expands the setting. If CA released an Empire 2 I wouldn't touch it.

    • @p1971cuda
      @p1971cuda 20 днів тому +2

      @@MrBell-iq3sm yeah it's out on steam rn, I was thinking of getting it soon. I will say though it isn't too much of a competitor. People love spectacle and while UG has the tactics of the older Total wars it doesn't have the spectacle that made TW so popular. Can't wait for Total war Empire 2 with George Washington and his wooden teeth giving him +5 melee attack. lol

    • @MrBell-iq3sm
      @MrBell-iq3sm 20 днів тому +11

      @@p1971cuda Maybe, but TW was usually a rather shallow experience outside of warfare. The economy tended to by not very deep, politics was a sidenote and diplomacy was a mess. Perhaps games that are more fleshed out will take over the TW niche. I know many players started with TW and later preferred Paradox games.

  • @patrol2omega
    @patrol2omega 14 днів тому +139

    The removal of war speeches was a HUGE downgrade for Total War games. The quotes during the loading screen as well.

    • @davidfinch7407
      @davidfinch7407 7 днів тому +7

      When the French were described as "Ass-Weasels" by English generals in Medieval 2, I fell in love with Total War. Imagine what they could be like in Warhammer! (I mean the speeches, not the French.)

    • @JB-ue6lf
      @JB-ue6lf 4 дні тому +1

      @@davidfinch7407😂

    • @Legion12Centurion
      @Legion12Centurion 3 дні тому

      @@davidfinch7407 Well the Bretoonians are kinda like the french... maybe Karl could call them silly stuff.

    • @srzar
      @srzar День тому

      💯

  • @lochstockrevolver
    @lochstockrevolver 20 днів тому +232

    10 years later… smells like some sort of signed NDA when he walked out

    • @Kvs-vf9nt
      @Kvs-vf9nt 16 днів тому +17

      It probably was. I'm glad he still speaks about it. Because damn everyone blaming this one guy was just bullsh*t imo.

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 15 днів тому

      ​@@Kvs-vf9nthe is still accountable for lying through his teeth to the entire community. Blacklist ca devs, former and current and boycott creative assembly, thats all we should be doing. Otherwise theyre just going to keep doing the same crap.

    • @skitkjell85
      @skitkjell85 14 днів тому +10

      I'm going to play Shogun 2 and remember the glorydays. Those were the days, boys! We'll never see its like again. Warhammer ruined all of that.

    • @00yiggdrasill00
      @00yiggdrasill00 12 днів тому +1

      ​@@skitkjell85if you really believe that then you haven't been paying attention for the past ten years.

    • @GovnaBuckingham
      @GovnaBuckingham 11 днів тому

      @@skitkjell85 warhammer is a totally separate dev team

  • @Reaper1911-
    @Reaper1911- 20 днів тому +229

    We can see where CA is going by looking at Warhammer Total War. Three of the same games in a row and all of the games lacking in AI, full of bugs and no further development to a game, just releasing a new game at a higher price with the exact same things.

    • @Icarus47249fd
      @Icarus47249fd 20 днів тому

      Ai learning has advance so much, is it that hard to implement a 'ai' learning style that gradually improve the skill of the AI through generations. Self-driving cars use the same method.

    • @thesecondsilvereich7828
      @thesecondsilvereich7828 20 днів тому +18

      The definition of insanity is buying the same game over n over again

    • @chocho6766
      @chocho6766 20 днів тому +9

      ​@@thesecondsilvereich7828and expecting different outcome 😭

    • @ElBandito
      @ElBandito 20 днів тому +14

      @@Icarus47249fd Mate, Total War AI is not the same as current "generative AI". TW AI is just a set of parameters that are hard coded.

    • @matex600
      @matex600 20 днів тому +2

      While starcraft 2 had insane ai in 2010 that trumps every total war combined

  • @cavalr1002
    @cavalr1002 20 днів тому +127

    Is it really 10 years ago now!!? Jesus Christ mate, you didn't have to make me feel that old.

    • @shammy8703
      @shammy8703 20 днів тому +8

      12

    • @jere9maz
      @jere9maz 19 днів тому +2

      Takes about that long now for truth to be told

    • @hohenstaufen2345
      @hohenstaufen2345 19 днів тому

      Wanna feel even older? That game was my childhood game when i was lile 10-11. Im an adult since 2 years now

    • @caiooca5793
      @caiooca5793 19 днів тому +1

      They should just keep the dates to themselves, no need to this to us.

    • @ltdowney
      @ltdowney 19 днів тому +1

      And I played over 1000 hours of Rome 2… it was that long ago, yeesh.

  • @fellforit
    @fellforit 20 днів тому +91

    The idea that the company that brought out Medieval 2 could bring out a turkey like this is entirely unshocking. CA have been acting like they're owned by venture capitalists for a long long time now. I went from religiously buying their titles to not even looking at them, over time, and I still don't feel drawn to try any of their latest offerings. It's a shame, they had so much going for them, and then they got greedy.

    • @Geometrys
      @Geometrys 20 днів тому +3

      I’m still a slave because Rome 1 was so good as a kid

    • @ade9597
      @ade9597 20 днів тому +3

      @@Geometrys play RIS for Rome Remastered and all your wishes will be granted.

    • @loowick4074
      @loowick4074 20 днів тому +4

      Yeah rome remastered is basically rome 1 with ugly UI but better textures.
      I think it'll be a great modding bed.

    • @ade9597
      @ade9597 20 днів тому

      @@loowick4074 just look into RTR: Imperium Surrectum

    • @satzbau9185
      @satzbau9185 18 днів тому +4

      Rome 1 and Medieval 2 are goated-- and Warhammer Total War is a masterpiece, regardless of controversy. Shogun 2, that Viking one, that Chinese one, Empire even, the latest Egyptian total shidshow-- couldn't care less. Will continue to play good games and put hundreds of hours into their oldest titles (and Warhammer) and not buy a single new title because you already know they're gonna be dogwater.

  • @gonavygonavy1193
    @gonavygonavy1193 20 днів тому +37

    Want to correct you that the siege AI was only coded for *large* city maps, so that when siege battles happen on the newly rushed small city maps (pretty much any player's first siege battle), the AI would not work since it wasn't coded for them yet.

    • @d.cirovic1695
      @d.cirovic1695 19 днів тому

      10 years later I still want to find the absoloute donkey that thought having 3 out of 4 settlements being unwalled was a good decision. Ca has ben doing thos garbage system for a decade now.

  • @shinsenshogun900
    @shinsenshogun900 20 днів тому +88

    The Absolute State of Creative Assembly these days

    • @rafale1981
      @rafale1981 20 днів тому +7

      I read that in a heavy scottish accent

    • @fartz3808
      @fartz3808 20 днів тому +1

      ''these days'' more like since 2008 on. 16 years now. Golden age ended with post-Medieval 2!

    • @AdamRusiecki
      @AdamRusiecki 15 днів тому

      I've read it as ASCA
      No pan here 😢

  • @oneill6291
    @oneill6291 20 днів тому +61

    I've given up on CA at this point - Will never support them again. Unless or course in the unlikely scenario that they get their shit together.

    • @loowick4074
      @loowick4074 20 днів тому +8

      Should have given up since rome 2 buddy.

    • @oneill6291
      @oneill6291 20 днів тому +2

      Well I did have a lot of fun with Warhammer, although I realize the amount of success that had was absolutely no good for their integrity. In fact Rome 2 was my first total war so there was rose coloured glasses there for a long time. I didn't really experience the brilliance of the older games.

    • @alekssavic1154
      @alekssavic1154 10 днів тому +2

      The sad thing is there are little bits of good ideas in their newer titles. Personally I think a lot of people missed out on a solid game with Three Kingdoms because it's not a setting western audiences have much investment in (diplomacy is a huge step up from any other TW game, and there are some neat new features and balance ideas that I wish we could get in a Empire or Napoleon 2). Troy looks (and sounds) great, and tried to play around with the economics even more (idk if I like that system though, I didn't play enough of that game to have a solid opinion). Rome 2 and Attila are both decent games now, it's just a shame their reputation was ruined by the state they both launched in. From what I've seen Thrones actually has decent sieges, although I never actually bought that one and I don't really have any intention to at this point. The problem is CA's management seems to be incredibly toxic and they (or maybe SEGA) insist on trying to keep up this annual launch cycle that prevents subsequent games from actually improving on their predecessors and puts too much strain on devs' abilities to wrangle their pretty ancient engine into doing what they want it to.

    • @oneill6291
      @oneill6291 10 днів тому +1

      @@alekssavic1154 Absolutely agree with all of that. And I also liked the direction they were starting to go with diplomacy in Three Kingdoms.

  • @EnglishInfidel
    @EnglishInfidel 14 днів тому +10

    "Because of great sales, they took most devs off the game before they could patch it"
    Remember, ultimately we can only blame ourselves as consumers; just like dlc culture, pay to win, loot-crates, etc. Don't buy games just because you like the franchise because this is how they treat us.

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux 3 дні тому

      They locked off SPARTA for pre-orders only.

  • @danielallan8061
    @danielallan8061 20 днів тому +32

    I actually remember talking to some of the guys who worked on the game on the TWC forums back before release. They actually seemed really sincere. Makes you wonder if they were sincere in what they knew but a lot wasn't communicated to them from above.

  • @evanblack20
    @evanblack20 16 днів тому +42

    They pushed me into the arms of paradox and I’m not looking back

    • @thisguy7083
      @thisguy7083 13 днів тому +13

      Paradox is going the same way

    • @informitas0117
      @informitas0117 12 днів тому +5

      Public trading = the beginning of the end.
      At least Paradox is actively panicking to increase quality after steamers like cityskyline 2, Life By You and Imperator.

    • @curfuffle7420
      @curfuffle7420 12 днів тому +2

      @@informitas0117 Don't forget Vic3 as well.

    • @evanblack20
      @evanblack20 11 днів тому

      @@informitas0117 they’re still working on imperator

    • @raymondacbot4007
      @raymondacbot4007 День тому

      If you like battles more than the grand strategy like me it’s still a hole to be filled

  • @sea_triscuit7980
    @sea_triscuit7980 20 днів тому +23

    I think I'll be waiting for Medieval Total War 2 remastered or Medieval Total War 3 until I'm 80 years old... It's sad because that's what so many people who play Total War are asking for... But gotta make that Games Workshop money right?

  • @DirkusTurkess
    @DirkusTurkess 20 днів тому +14

    This was my first and last pre-order.

  • @JasperCarrot-rp5tb
    @JasperCarrot-rp5tb 9 днів тому +4

    Few designers are aware of the difficulty of implrementing features this is why cross project meetings are necessary. Some resent the grounded opinions of developers and often stop inviting them to these meetings with the inevitable outcome! This is common in all sectors of software engineering.

  • @smkeybare
    @smkeybare 20 днів тому +66

    Button stat modifiers and health bars was the nail in the coffin for me.
    The soilders you command don't feel like individual mortals anymore.

    • @loowick4074
      @loowick4074 20 днів тому +20

      CA when they have to make good maps and fine tune unit interactions and battle dynamics 😴😴😴
      CA when they have to add an arbitrary powerscaling bar/button on the campaign which just adds stats to units 🎉🎉🎉🎉

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 20 днів тому

      Did they ever? Feel like soldiers at your command? The lack of autonomy and required micromanagement has always been immersion breaking for me.

    • @mcsmash4905
      @mcsmash4905 19 днів тому

      @@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 people are trying to make old total wars appear like something they are absolutley not (simulators)

    • @rawbird5341
      @rawbird5341 18 днів тому +1

      Went from a sim to rts

    • @mcsmash4905
      @mcsmash4905 17 днів тому +3

      @@rawbird5341 total war was never a sim game

  • @user-om2wm4hi5r
    @user-om2wm4hi5r 20 днів тому +10

    I have low expectations for CA...but holly fire this low.
    Hople people see, read and stop buy CA products.

  • @selucusptolemy3149
    @selucusptolemy3149 20 днів тому +7

    He should have released this during the Shadows of Change debacle

  • @woodwyrm
    @woodwyrm 17 днів тому +5

    Seriously, this is 'eckin insane!
    A camera that buffs your unit, just because _management_ wanted the game to look _cinematic_ !?!? WHAT IN THE NINE HELLS OF BAATOR IS GOING ON?!??!?

  • @bravozero6
    @bravozero6 19 днів тому +6

    Ill never forget the Siege of Carthage gameplay demo. Simply the best of what was supposed to come of total war. Instead we went to china and never came back.

  • @NatalieBall-mw5nz
    @NatalieBall-mw5nz 19 днів тому +3

    I have sunk so many hours into this game over the years. It may never have been the game we wanted in full but in the end there was still a fun game here, well for me anyway.

  • @Drayran
    @Drayran 20 днів тому +2

    It usually lower and mid tier managers who got the best grasp on operations and have to deal with both upper management, tight budgets
    and keep employees satisfied whilst still having to get good products out.

  • @heathclark318
    @heathclark318 20 днів тому +26

    I for one, forgive him. Given the more and more I learn about CA since it was bought by Sega the more all of this makes sense. He didnt know and then when asked by the higher ups to talk about his part in it, he did what any of us would have, talked up the part he knew was good and how it is technically supposed to work together with the other features. I sat for hours in utter disbelief on release day of Rome II. Absolutely stupefied at the clown show I was watching unfold. Still think it is a dumpster fire and only play older CA games. They have since lost themselves in fantasy land where they dont even use animations that fit the units. Gunners no longer reload. Collision and individual soldiers finding themselves in any number of situations is long gone... Hope Mr McKinlay, despite my curses and calls for his proverbial head at the time, is doing very well. Maybe designing his own game from the ground up.

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 20 днів тому

      He deserves no sympathy, he knowingly mislead the entire consumer base. Coming out of the closet 10 years later just to say "sorry guys, it actually wasnt me or the poor devs, it was these big shadowy corporatists all along!" They had no game, no real product, no real testing, but he still came out with all that bullshit... anything him or any of ca's employees (current or former) work on, should be completely blacklisted from the entire consumerbase, same with EA and all those shitters.

    • @NatrajChaturvedi
      @NatrajChaturvedi 15 днів тому +1

      Well put.

    • @heathclark318
      @heathclark318 14 днів тому +1

      @@NatrajChaturvedi Thank you sir. I know I sometimes there are Real people on the other end of my posts. I know I have been a proverbial arse myself more than a few occasion. But I can see his humility here and genuine sincere remorse for all that happened, and we now know was clearly not in his control. I also know that I have on a few occasions in my life, under incredible pressure, folded like a lawn chair. Again glad he is doing well and found the time to write that all out for us. I bet that was incredibly cathartic for him. I will climb down from my soap box now. Do hope you and your family are doing well, where ever in the world you maybe! God Bless

  • @DustinBarlow8P
    @DustinBarlow8P 18 годин тому

    This is one of my favorite games. I did wait for a bundle with all the DLC 3 years after launch.
    When he says "It is possible to ship a title while not knowing the state of it". I can absolutly believe that, game company managers and execs are freaking shady. You may work there and your only job is to make art assets. You create your art assets, than the manager tells you to send them to him, and HE will put them into the game. You have no idea what the game looks like you just keep getting told to create the assets and send them up the chain.

  • @rawpotatofella9654
    @rawpotatofella9654 17 днів тому +4

    Everyone needs to apologise for the vitriol directed at Julian.

    • @GovnaBuckingham
      @GovnaBuckingham 5 днів тому

      We can understand he wasnt an upper level dev making any decisions but you dont need to apologize when he said they were making all those improvements to the ai in the interview when the game was totally unplayable at that time. He worked with CA before he knew who he was dealing with.

  • @TheWeejohn96
    @TheWeejohn96 19 днів тому +2

    I’ve got a personal soft spot for Rome 2 as it’s the reason why I’m now a PC gamer, I did wait year so I did miss the god awful launch but Rome 2 gave me 500+ hours of fun

  • @andeve3
    @andeve3 20 днів тому +9

    Shogun 2 and Napoleon are some of my favourite TW games to play without mods, so it's always interesting to hear more about how and why CA then went so badly wrong with Rome 2.

  • @Lord.Kiltridge
    @Lord.Kiltridge 6 днів тому +1

    My first Total War Game was Shogun released June 2000. I played thousands of hours from then through Shogun II. Rome II was IMO the first Total War that I considered the campaign to be unplayable and every TW game released since was just as unplayable for exactly the same reasons.

  • @liammorris1018
    @liammorris1018 20 днів тому +3

    Sean Murray is an absolute exemplar for game developers, launch was terrible granted but he stuck by his product rather than just taking the money and running like everyone else does, now look at the sheer amount of content in NMS and he's never asked for another penny.... the games been financed all these years by sales of the game and the content updates are insane.

    • @kirishima638
      @kirishima638 11 днів тому

      An exemplar for game developers?!
      Murray lied and lied and lied. He couldn’t stop running his mouth, building expectation no product could ever reach.
      And then he very sensibly went into hiding to avoid accountability.
      Exemplar my arse!

  • @breeve12
    @breeve12 15 днів тому +2

    I personally loved this game when I played it. I'm still hooked on Atilla at the moment and have like 2000 hours of campaign modes.

  • @MrBell-iq3sm
    @MrBell-iq3sm 20 днів тому +12

    I'm glad that the competition for CA is rising, be that games like Knights of Honor II or Ultimate General: American Revolution.

    • @emanuelalfred1565
      @emanuelalfred1565 9 днів тому

      Hey, how is Knights of Honor 2 these days? I’ve been kind of following it a bit when it first released with plans of getting it during a sale. What are you enjoying about it so far and how does its current state compare to the release state?

    • @seanwalters1977
      @seanwalters1977 8 днів тому

      Ooooh I forgot UGAR released. Thank you for the reminder!

    • @MrBell-iq3sm
      @MrBell-iq3sm 8 днів тому

      @@seanwalters1977 You're welcome. It's not finished yet, but you can purchase it and play the early access version.

    • @MrBell-iq3sm
      @MrBell-iq3sm 8 днів тому

      @@emanuelalfred1565 I haven't played the second one yet. I only played the first game, but from what I know KoH II is underrated and has a lot to offer.

    • @MithradatesVIEupator
      @MithradatesVIEupator 7 днів тому +1

      @@seanwalters1977 UGAR isn’t quite there yet.. has potential however. They should change the controls to match Rome 2 and people would play the shit out of it.

  • @JLE8811
    @JLE8811 14 днів тому +1

    I have been trying to get back into this one. But, it doesn't scratch the itch of the original.

  • @SuperDaxos
    @SuperDaxos День тому

    Creative Assembly's managers care only about money. In the entire field of engineering in general, everyone knows that if you give engineers enough time and resources, they will create spectacular things. It's pretty much almost managers that limit these people. In gaming this is even a bigger issue

  • @VSharKS72
    @VSharKS72 20 днів тому +4

    For traditional total wars i prefer attila and shogun 2. what suprise me total wars rome 2 lose against shogun 2and attila especially main campaign

  • @mango2005
    @mango2005 16 днів тому +2

    Are these past bugs or present ones? Rome 2 is my favourite game. I think things are ironed out now. In the case of Empire Total War, it was indeed very buggy when i first bought it in 2009, crashing all the time, I think because of the Large Area Addressing bug, but that was resolved.

    • @AidanDracole
      @AidanDracole 16 днів тому

      Past bugs. All the worst bugs have been removed with and since the release of the Imperator edition. Julian's article details this too. That after the f#$% up of a release and most of the design team moved on to the newest project, the programmers among the dev team could actually do what they wanted to do before the release: quality control and bug-fixes for the shoehorned in features. He contemplated sabotaging it (sort of) because the community had gotten it into their heads he was fired before the patches started rolling out, explaining why the game was in an improved state. He left some time into Attila's dev cycle.

  • @RobertFletcherOBE
    @RobertFletcherOBE 21 годину тому

    Great video.
    When you work in a hierarchy responsibility *always* flows upwards. Leadership is always responsible for the work of their team. and upper management is always responsible for the final quality of the product.
    If you find yourself blaming an individual outside of management they're more than likely a patsy.

  • @Jkaninteangemittnamn
    @Jkaninteangemittnamn 20 днів тому +2

    Looks more the problem were huge socoal differnces at creative , upper class snobs brougth up in NY or london that dont have a clue and wants only the next fix or party

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 20 днів тому

      Exactly, its such a simple and stupid narrative that it actually holds no water. Theyre culpable and no fuckin nuremburg defense is going to fuckin cut it. "We were just doin our jobs" yeah yeah yeah, weve all heard that before...

  • @rbarnes4076
    @rbarnes4076 19 днів тому +8

    Software developer for 40 years, 13 years in management.
    When Rome 2 came out I figured that there was a real management mess at CA. But the post by McKinlay is beyond anything I've seen. And I've seen some REAL doozies. I feel sad for the programmers/artists/QA working there. They deserve a LOT better!
    As with most things, when you see a software release disaster, you don't have to look far for who to blame. It is always management. Most folks I've worked with want to do a good job and communicate issues. But when management ignores that, it is at the entire company's peril.

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 15 днів тому

      Your logic falls apart when used in any other industry... its not always just the leadership, the leaders cant do anything, cant make a product at all. A ceo walks into a restaurant and says customers arent getting in and out fast enough, he sees the chicken sandwiches take the longest to cook so he instructs the cooks to take 3 minutes off the cook time. Nevermind the risk of salmonella... who is actually at fault here? The correct answer is both. Yeah your boss can make up stupid shit but its on you if you follow through with it and serve up subpar, unfinished products/service. The nuremburg defense is literally bullshit, why do you people eat it up so easily?

    • @mscapeh4451
      @mscapeh4451 13 днів тому

      original staff is what made rome 1 and medievial 2 good nowadays ca just try to comercial scam gamers

  • @Edax_Royeaux
    @Edax_Royeaux 3 дні тому

    At the end of the day, that Dev was knowingly lying when he spoke those words about the AI. Even if it is industry standard, that still doesn't absolve him. I bought a product based on false advertising.

  • @RM-cv4tl
    @RM-cv4tl 20 днів тому +7

    His statements are alarming, and I do believe there is serious issues going on with trust and working relationships within CA. However, I would like to hear leadership’s point of view on things because I’m sure it’s not as simple as “greedy leadership was too pushy, and then blamed everyone else.”

    • @chocho6766
      @chocho6766 20 днів тому +3

      Nah it's always the "higher up" problem many studio ruined because of that

    • @RM-cv4tl
      @RM-cv4tl 20 днів тому +2

      @@chocho6766 could very well be the case, and it probably is. But I’d like to hear why it was exactly. Budget reasons, inexperience, cut throat business practices? Being at the leadership level myself (in a different field) I’d like to know what was driving the leadership to act the way they did.

    • @mauriceprins2852
      @mauriceprins2852 20 днів тому +1

      He blamed the design team more than any for pushing new features (work for his team) late in development. Management was too one-sided in their support of designers in that regard and games suffered on release for it.

    • @guillemmoreno5522
      @guillemmoreno5522 19 днів тому

      @@RM-cv4tl Greed. Entitlement. Insecurity. Like it does pretty much every bad leader.

  • @manuelkong10
    @manuelkong10 13 днів тому

    it's NOT the "coders" fault if the company is too dumb to send out a PR guy to do the interviews----or too lax to COORDINATE the message with the coder doing the interview....
    He HAD to have had SOME Kind of input as to what the game was Supposed to be before giving the interview and he HAD to have had SOME Kind of permission to do said interviews from the people in charge....
    It seems the public has a hard time understanding that these games are something like a Movie production, All Kinds of things are shot during production but in Editing, characters can be cut almost entirely out of the film....ENTIRE SCENES are cut out....
    An actor does all his work for the movie but doesn't actually know which scenes will be used or which shots or takes will be used At All.....
    Notice when actors give interviews about about their latest movie, they talk in these Totally Vague terms and if asked, they often say, "I haven't seen it yet"....they understand that in editing the movie can change quite a bit.
    At least the movie studios have enough sense to Coordinate the message

  • @skynet1234567890
    @skynet1234567890 20 днів тому +1

    The ai still dont work

  • @hohenstaufen2345
    @hohenstaufen2345 19 днів тому

    I really love Pharao (timeperiod is exactly my alley) and love the mechanics in it. But even then i can see that that direction for the historical titles is just bad. And then it feels like they want to throw the sofia team under the bus by completely overwhelming them with work and later blaming the games state on them.

  • @lexiwilson9501
    @lexiwilson9501 20 днів тому

    Joey Berry joined at this time.

  • @guardiansoulblade2673
    @guardiansoulblade2673 19 днів тому

    I feel bad for this guy, at least he was TRYING to fix stuff, but I'm not really playing any Creative Assembly games outside of Medieval II and the original Rome: Total War game. I am having a blast over in Manor Lords.

  • @lorenzofedrizzi8825
    @lorenzofedrizzi8825 20 днів тому +1

    I have read the letter yesterday and I encourage everyone to take the time to read it

  • @MithradatesVIEupator
    @MithradatesVIEupator 7 днів тому

    They need to make Rome 3 and have it led by someone who actually listens to their team.. game could be legendary.

  • @Baconbits16
    @Baconbits16 9 днів тому

    Anyone looking for a new Total War game should check out Total Resistance: Conflict set in the modern era. The indie devs are putting CA to shame, but they need more support & awareness.

  • @danielomar9712
    @danielomar9712 9 днів тому

    I can forgive No Man's Sky for having a messy release , and a gradual patching to turn into an actual game
    I cannot forgive CA , a AAA game , to have a disastrous , rushed , messy , unorganized crap that was Rome 2 , and then CONTINUE to refuse to learn

  • @pdog6565
    @pdog6565 6 днів тому

    This makes me glad I did it play it till years after its release.

  • @jaojmnhzhzm
    @jaojmnhzhzm 19 днів тому

    Wow. Explains a lot about Empire as well.

  • @starbepus121
    @starbepus121 7 днів тому

    Slavic magic has proven to do way better

  • @SomeIdiotLUL
    @SomeIdiotLUL 20 днів тому +6

    Hopefully ca puts out another good historical game, I don't think I can handle 40k. All this demon demon bullshit . I'm a totalwar war die hard fan I'm reaching the limit of being sick of warhammer...

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 15 днів тому

      Total war found a new consumerbase that is much larger, much hungrier for product, and is already primed to be abused by games workshop. CA would be complete fools to not ride the warhammer train into the ground. If you want a historical title, make it yourself or look to a different dev team. Ca is never going back.

  • @valentijnbarendse9044
    @valentijnbarendse9044 20 днів тому +1

    Someone just needs to buy the whole company, shake up the management and go back to the core, making good games.

  • @oreo507
    @oreo507 20 днів тому

    What a throwback. I watched that angry Joe review so many times loool

  • @jimbokilo
    @jimbokilo 13 днів тому

    When devs rely on modders to fix all their issues.

  • @wrk101
    @wrk101 11 днів тому

    Rome 2 is great now. Unlike from what I heard about the launch years ago. With the hours that people have played it recently on Steam, disproves what the naysayers say about it now.

  • @AnimeFan-dl4qd
    @AnimeFan-dl4qd 20 днів тому +3

    Some important parts:
    -After the disaster of Rome II, creative Assembly leadership promised to tackle the problems.
    But when the brave developer complained about the same issues occouring during the Attila development, he got his mouth shut.
    -They wanted to implement a feature that units can positioned inside a walled settlement. (ATtila TW)
    Probably because of his complaints, this nonsense got canceled.

  • @GovnaBuckingham
    @GovnaBuckingham 11 днів тому

    His main mistake was answering the questions in a way that made him sound like he was well aware of the games development and interworking's when he was more of a tester that wasn't totally involved. I was rage posting on the original youtube video a lot cause I wasn't buying his explanation but I just rewatched the interview and now I can kind of see how if anything the interviewer might be more at fault for making him look like a liar. Like they should have explained his involvement better instead of just asking him questions and uploading the interview without a better introduction to who he was.

  • @user-xd9sm8xl8g
    @user-xd9sm8xl8g 19 годин тому

    just think about how fun and enthralling Rome 1 was compared to Rome II, if you liked it that's great. But to me all the fun and life from Rome 1 was completely gone in Rome II

  • @paranormalgambler2814
    @paranormalgambler2814 15 днів тому +1

    Games like this make me love mount and blade so much more !

  • @tiffles3890
    @tiffles3890 18 днів тому

    I'd like to see Angry Joe's reaction to this.
    His reaction vid to Rome 2, which I think became pretty well known, was one of the most hilarious videos I've ever watched. And this guy featured in it prominently.

  • @markfreeman4727
    @markfreeman4727 4 дні тому

    this seems accurate
    the guy who made fallout one (as in he made the first game and the IP as a whole), left fallout 2's development because of incompetent management and decisions constantly being made for him without his input or knowledge at times.
    Sounds like the same thing happened to total war

  • @Doomer35
    @Doomer35 17 днів тому +3

    CA set the trend of releasing unfinished games with Empire. I'm amazed how good Shogun 2 was between the disastrous Empire and Rome 2 releases, CA is anything but consistent.

  • @notani3533
    @notani3533 15 днів тому

    Like AJ says, someone just fired that guy halfway.

  • @osros
    @osros 16 днів тому +1

    I never purchased a CA game after Rome 2. Im still a bit raw about it my favorite time period totally F up. Played the mods but still core issues mods can't fix.

  • @merricc5218
    @merricc5218 10 днів тому +1

    why did he wait 10 years to speak out for it?

  • @fn8382
    @fn8382 17 днів тому

    I am holding my
    Norwegian caviar now

  • @JasonOfArgo
    @JasonOfArgo 17 днів тому

    Rome 2 was the point where I just stopped buying Total War games. Never once felt tempted to return.

  • @bostjanradovan1800
    @bostjanradovan1800 15 днів тому

    AND THEN (I still play Rome 2 by the way) they go and make games for WarCraft 40k.... Pharaoh is kind of meh (a bit upgraded Troy?) I hope they will make Total War Empire 2 :)

  • @nobodyspecial9097
    @nobodyspecial9097 19 днів тому

    Vouland’s vindication continues

  • @Jonnybravo589
    @Jonnybravo589 12 днів тому

    It was everything. We all knew it was not just crap AI, they stripped everything down and nothing was better than its predecessor

  • @deividaszubLT
    @deividaszubLT 15 днів тому

    Rome 2 now is working game, but that's it, when I was little I imagined how great Rome 2 will look like and how many improvements they are going to make which never happened.

  • @denniswiggins3816
    @denniswiggins3816 15 днів тому

    This was the last Total war game I purchased at full price. I think I have only bought one since then at bargain bin price and never really got into it. Not a big fantasy strategy fan so Warhammer fantasy didn't appeal to me. To be honest I probably would have enjoyed an Empire 2 or WH40k much more than what they created.

  • @victordegrande1628
    @victordegrande1628 13 днів тому

    Did they fix all of the problems so the game is playable now?

  • @akk-nd3vj
    @akk-nd3vj 19 днів тому

    if he was "low level programmer" then why would leadership be talking to him. his bosses would talk to other bosses.

  • @paultunnell1191
    @paultunnell1191 12 днів тому

    Finally some closure lol

  • @stukahen
    @stukahen 17 днів тому

    I preordered this...on disc! And can I just say it was very disappointing. Still bummed thinking about it

  • @kafon6368
    @kafon6368 18 днів тому

    So, the truth was revealed 10 years later. I still remember the hype when RTW2 was announced. Oh, how times have changed.
    Still, they fixed the broken game, and it is fun now.

  • @JohnSmith-pj6wb
    @JohnSmith-pj6wb 17 днів тому

    i remember playing rome 2 for the first time....the horrible experience lol...and then the city fights...mid way during the first time doing a city battle I quit and didnt play it for years...tried again with new mods and patches and got a little further...quit again and have never played since then
    warhammer is cool mp but the campaigns are so linear and like rollercoaster rides...not much room for doing what you really want...youre stuck in your area and stuck having do the same strategy...if you want to do it different play a dif faction...older games didnt have that you could be anyone doing anything...
    now i play all the older total war games with heavy mods like darth mods...empire, shogun 2, napoleon, rome 1 unmastered with heavy mods, barb invasion with heavy mods....all the new ones just suck horribly

  • @Tinylittledansonman
    @Tinylittledansonman 19 днів тому

    I didnt find Rome 2 that bad. It was mainly just too easy. Atilla felt like a proper Rome 2. Actually challenging and a continuation of the time period. Rome 2 was a lot like Shogun for me. More power fantasy vs challenging strategy title. A lot of players cried Atilla was "anti-player" and all this bs but really you can tell theyre just being babies as they want that power fantasy feel. The mechanics are challenging, but once you understand them its not that difficult. Its wild some people wont bother to read whats buffing/debuffing then go as far as to cry the game is "anti-player".

  • @manuelkong10
    @manuelkong10 13 днів тому

    People NEED to be FIRED at CA and the company taken over by somebody grown up

  • @Daiciyomon_4594
    @Daiciyomon_4594 20 днів тому +1

    why they mention it now?

    • @ElBandito
      @ElBandito 20 днів тому +1

      NDA period has passed, and he can safely say these without getting sued to hell by CA and SEGA.

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 15 днів тому

      The devs dont want the shitstorm at ca to follow them to new jobs, if youre smart you wont buy games that these devs have worked on.

  • @oddersisadog
    @oddersisadog 16 днів тому

    I wasn't a huge fan of it when it came out but, later I enjoyed RTW2 alot. The game was too easy on any difficult below very hard but the Ai doesn't really stand up so the only way to make the game harder is give the enemy better resources.

  • @viktormilosevic8172
    @viktormilosevic8172 20 днів тому

    Ah, a classic story that plagues gaming. Execs being out of touch and greedy. I swear the entire industry could use a serious management reshuffle.

  • @unitor699industries
    @unitor699industries 19 днів тому

    he should have started his own company i think many workers from CA would have joined him

  • @yogat.5892
    @yogat.5892 20 днів тому +5

    I honestly don't fully believe what he says. He has the incentive to downplay his mistakes and shift the blame to the company, but one thing for sure, CA is really a mess.

    • @Account.for.Comment
      @Account.for.Comment 17 днів тому +1

      He was honest with his bias though. Placing the blame mainly on the leadership of the design team for asking him for what he know he can't deliver. When I read it, it explained a lot of differences Shogun2, Rome2 and 3Kingdoms. The latter games have way more features but Shogun2 was the better game because it was the most polished. CA definitely put more priority into design than programming, and as a programmer he was unable to deliver what they asked for and left.

  • @Peanutcat
    @Peanutcat 2 дні тому

    People need to stop cracking out on copium. Anyone who's bought a single title after Rome 2 is a gullible fool.

  • @panenka7656
    @panenka7656 17 днів тому

    I'd prefer to hear from a programmer about a game than a corporate PR bullshitter any day.

  • @proteus19
    @proteus19 18 днів тому

    CA was always a shameful Display top to bottom and everyone was doing their job right, was fired , other examples than R2 : MTW2 developers back then did an awesome job and replace them all , instead of build on the success of MTW2 and R1, they simple did not invest much on new engines, always count on players loyalty to make the fast buck, Shogun2 an awesome game yet to make a simple veteran unit full stats , was an grind of time for new players yet never bother them to fix it , until clans made cheat mods to correct mistakes that the CA suppose to fix , they made their money, then jump on the next trick game for the next fast buck again.

  • @nidhoggcrowley
    @nidhoggcrowley 15 днів тому

    reeks like a guy just trying to pass the buck. pretty clear just from his own statements that him and ca are equally to blame.

  • @willek1335
    @willek1335 19 днів тому

    I remember smelling the rotten leadership culture when R2 was being promoted, as we "interacted" with CA. When they couldn't communicate to us, then how on earth could they communicate internally? 🫠 Huge respect to the people on the ground for making it into a classic after launch and its 16 patches. CA's "leadership" should be an example of what not to imitate.

  • @nikolakaravida9670
    @nikolakaravida9670 2 дні тому

    Rome II's my favorite TW game so I forgive him.

  • @skitkjell85
    @skitkjell85 14 днів тому

    I remember seeing this guy when Rome 2 was released. Specifically the interview about the AI. He looked like a corpse... and that's never good. Overworked and just "Couldn't care less..." attitude thanks to it.

  • @matthewryan2060
    @matthewryan2060 19 днів тому

    That trailer they released was the reason why everyone hated the game. It was too epic in scale and unfortunately the battles don’t play that way.

  • @ucfj
    @ucfj 18 днів тому

    Don't blame any single dev. They don't have much influence nor knowledge over the entire project

  • @ALiberalVeteran
    @ALiberalVeteran 10 днів тому

    Another Warhammer game, another chance lost to release Medieval 3. Medieval, the most played era of any video game.

  • @j.clayton7672
    @j.clayton7672 15 днів тому

    What Julian said is almost certainly true. As a former developer myself, I have always hated how 'reviewers' and gamers demonise creative professionals. Development is organised chaos right from the start, to expect otherwise displays supreme ignorance of how developmental complexity scales poorly with time management. Release dates are usually set in stone, because the publisher has committed millions in marketing and will sue the developer if they release late, no you can't just change them. Armchair criticism is easy, but rarely insightful.

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 15 днів тому

      Yes, you can just change release dates, many studios have delayed games for better or for worse, but thats neither here nor there. Guessing your rigid, uncreative thinking is a big reason why youre a "former" developer, and not a current developer working in the industry. Hating the very demographic youre trying to sell shitty, unfinished products to? Lol youre a complete joke.

  • @danielbutchers998
    @danielbutchers998 17 днів тому

    Thing is I remember all the shit from the fans that I saw being squarely aimed at CA, yes the AI was the worst part but it was not by any means the only one, this sounds like cope and trying to pass the buck onto someone ales, without taking accountability and play the victim.
    One of there big things was the cities with multiple capture points and that came to nothing and that the interview I remember the most them bragging about how amazing the city/siege maps would be

  • @charlieluck2658
    @charlieluck2658 14 днів тому

    I love Rome 2, after all the BS it ended be solid. With all the mods it’s an excellent game now… thankfully