Fixing A John Deere Mower With A Stuck Pull Rope
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2023
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Thanks for watching. This mower had so many surprises for me all the way until the end.
Hopefully the engine is salvageable. If not, it would be great if you could find another 190cc Briggs and just swap the cover over. The mower is absolutely worth saving in my opinion. I mentioned in another video that I had a Cub Cadet SRC621 that I loved. It was made by MTD, but could be had with a Kawasaki. Mine had a Briggs. They were also sold under the Craftsman Professional moniker. John Deere had the JS40 and 45 and Ariens also made a great looking caster wheel mower. They are so unique and interesting.
yes It would be nice, but this particular engine is kind of hard to find.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Yes, you're right.
You’ll get to the bottom of the problem I’m sure 👌🏻 definitely worth the extra work!!! Really cool mower, plus we get extra videos to watch 😅
thank you for your support.
The cylinder was flooded, you cleared it, the compressor is good. Check the carb check valve and change the gas. I’d start there. BTW the cleaning is well done.
thank you!
Got that degreaser you use and it works beautifully, got my lawnmower looking new.
nice and thank you for Trying it out!
I just came across your channel and I have to say I’m really enjoying your content. You are very knowledgeable and well spoken. I appreciate you taking the time to make these videos! Please keep up the good work sir.
thank you I appreciate it!
I had a mower similar to this. With the swivel front wheels. But it was a cub cadet. Loved it. Mine had a manual pin to lock the wheels not a cable. But i ended up selling it.
very nice!
Just saw a fellow troubleshot a mower that runs well until shut off after 15 min. He thought could be a faulty ignition coil. Turnout the fuel system need a thorough cleaning from inside the tank, fuel hose and carburetor using an air hose. Found to that the fuel inlet into carb w/bowl has a hidden screen needs to be blown out too😃
thank you, and I appreciate your discretion when mention other troubleshooters
I'll say it's the fuel system from the tank on down somewhere. That's the way I'd go with it. Ran the new mower around yesterday and it's amazing but there are always little things cropping up, like putting heating blankets on the batteries to not have to take them inside in cold weather and being table to leave them hooked up to recharge every 2 months. That ought to be a factory option but I'm always overthinking things or trying to dodge bullets. Everything else so far is wonderful and 1/2 of the lo speed is plenty fast for good mowing but it'll sure FLY in hi! So far, so good BUT it's N E W so it ought to be. And never saw a mower like this before your video and up pops Teryl with one. Small world and Blessings!
by the way it stopped, you might be right!
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I'm sure we'll see thanks to our faithful repair person!
Identify the fluid in the cylinder - if fuel, check the carb / clean it, make sure the float is working as it should. Also se if the oil smells of gasoline, if so - change it. If oil - check head gasket.
thank you for the information
I like the look of this bare steel or steel painted engine and recoil housing, makes the engine POP
I know right!
I had a Murray mower with a 4hp b&s Quattro that ran & cut fine with a compression reading of 40. Although if a grass clog choked out when warm I had to prime it again to get it started back.
thanks
Fixed one of those same exact mowers and oddly enough it had the same issue with that cable on the caster wheels not holding it into place. Did get it running and left it out for sale for a while one wanted it which i thought was odd.. wasnt asking lot either and back then they really cost a lot to buy and were a fad you just don't see them now days much. honda made one as well. Was buyng a deere tractor and they took it on trade and gave me twice the amount of money i was asking for outright which turned out great. This was back in 2010 or around that time. Hope you can get something out of it if the engine dosent work out maybe try and stick another one it and sell it. just need to get the right person and they'll buy it. i guess around here in a small town was hard to find the right one for mine.
thank you for sharing that, and I think these are super rare now.
Probably water in the fuel. I’ve had problems with the carbs on those early Intek engines failing and filling the crankcase with fuel too. I guess the way they’re connected to the engine lets fuel leak into the cylinder instead of leaking out onto the deck when the needle valve or float fails. Very powerful engines though, great when they’re all sorted out.
thank you for the information and yes I'm leaning towards fuel right now
Not sure on this one. That smoke looked a bit like oil to me. But the compression is great, so the rings have to be good. So maybe the smoke was just a rich mixture, which, of course, points to the carb. Interesting mower, and interesting series.
I do believe some of the oil was either in the combustion side, or, just sitting in the muffler.
As I watched the video when you removed the fly wheel I noticed a lot of scoring on it where the coil rides. I wonder if a magnet came loose or the coil slipped some and now it will not pick up spark. That is my first thought. Save it if you can. Thanks for the videos.
on this type the flywheel break will make those marks.
Interesting
thanks
That's how i adjust the valves on my small engines. One valve open and the other one closed
Can I ask why? Just because its normal procedure to do it with the piston at top dead.
@@AdmiralDG it's the way i'm use to doing it. Never had any issues doing it like that
I like this way much better.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Any particular reason? Just preference? Only curious is all!
@@AdmiralDG on a Briggs, it's 1/4" past tdc
I would guess(emphasis on guess) the carb needs cleaning/adjusting as well as the oil is well over full as another comment noted. Solve those, plus fresh gas and I would think it would be all good.
The "constant pressure" oil cap says to me that when its over full, the oil is being forced out the only way it can, to the cylinder and locking the engine as well as fouling the spark plug.
Good luck, its a very cool mower!
I passed up on a vintage ~50s era mower that had fins like the cars of the same time as well as a beautiful blue paint job and chrome details... will always regret that. It was only $20 at a garage sale -_-
thank you and I appreciate it.
Check flywheel key possibility that it sheared under the engine load and test I had that happen before the foot lbs needs to be slightly higher. Nut might have not been tight enough. Then check carburetor for a swollen seat replace if necessary
Try again for test
thank you for information
I saw a craftsmen mower just like this at our local Lowes in a completely crushed box and it such a weird design.
interesting, I've never seen the craftsman version
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I looked it up after posting it and Lowes has them online which I didn't know but here's the name of it. I honestly wish I'd seen this before the other day.
CRAFTSMAN M430 223-cc 28-in Gas Self-propelled Lawn Mower with Briggs and Stratton Engine.
Carb needle is stuck open allowing it to over fuel. The smoke is from everything going on, including many attempted starts once you get the carb right, run it the smoke will subside.
thanks
Could be water or a bad coil. If you swap the engine put the JD covers on the other engine. Thanks
the cover would have to include the carb and intake and I'm not sure they're able to be transferred
Well, I'd start replacing the oil with the right amount (this is overflooded with it for what I've seen at 1:52), and then check the carb. That flooding is probably coming from a stuck open floating valve...
yes you are correct, but I think there's more to it than too much oil. In fact, it may not be all oil
if i even suspect one hasn't been running for a while (or if my neighbor "king of water in the gas" brings one) i drain the gas before 1st attempt to start . i've always lost , any time i ever gambled . would be interesting to see how you fix/fixed the worn front wheel .
yes I wish I had done that first
I suspect the carb float isn't closing, hydrolocking the motor. But that stuff that came out when you cleared the cylinder looked like it had oil. So I dunno, but I'd check the carb.
nice idea.
I would start with the spark plug clean or replace it since it was vapor lock.
nice idea!
How did the oil look? My guess is it got thinned out by the gas....considering you were hydrolocked with fuel/oil and not with water...
Seeing how you were burning oil all the way to it stalling tells me the oil made it past the rings to be burned off...knowing the high compression readings we can determine that your rings are healthy and the gas mixing with oil caused the oil to lose its viscosity and also raised the level making it past the rings....this is just my guess based on what i have seen so far
yes that's what I was thinking too, but there's a huge problem. If the carb was leaking, It would leak all the time, not just when it's running, so that fact that there was still some gasoline in the tank has me wondering if the carb is NOT leaking, and it's all oil.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE yes or somehow water got in the oil and also caused the level to rise as well as thin out....was the mower left outside?
i reckon you have dirty carburetor aka carby and i a good cleaning will fix that one or maybe one of the push rods popped out of place is my first thought.
that's a good place to start.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE yes for sure and over here in Australia it's no different as mowers engine lovers and enthusiasts have come across the problems very often.
I would look at the magneto. At least, when it died, did you still have spark?
yes by the way it stoped it would seem spark related, and no I haven't gotten back to do any testing on this one just yet.
These smaller Intek engines are really powerful but always cause problems.
it would seem that way.
could have a bad carb flooding the engine out. I've had a few cause riding mowers to die
yes since I hadn't looked at the carb yet you might be right
shit that happens, my main push mower died last week randomly, after not using it. Just got done mowing the week before. New plug, good gas, clean carb, i thought valve lash, and then find intake is out of spec, fix that, then no start condition, went back saw the ignition coil was rubbing with the flywheel magnets and i just gave it the right gap and then nothing. Came back next day, been working fine since.
wow that was iffy.
I think that the plug gap might be bridged with carbon. I’d be checking that first. Next, look for water in the fuel system.
thank you for the tip!
Valve lash Nuts moved ?
it's quite possible
I think the cylinder & rings are scored
thank you
Hey man, i have a question that i want to ask you. The mighty MS180 that is old enough to drive has lost some of its compression and has a scorched cyl and walls. I was planning on buying a MS231 but here i wanted your professional opinion. Should i buy the same ms180 (260$) or the ms181 for the fully adjustable carb (320$) or buy the ms231 for its fully adjustable carb and more horsepower (355$). The usage of the saw is on firewood, cutting trees in the yard/neighbour's abandoned house & yard and some rosehip and bushes i cut at the vineyard. * personally i think the ms231 is best bang for buck but i can be very wrong.
man tough call, personally , either the ms181 or the ms231, and you'll have to decide after that.
Well the rosehip trees and bushes at the vineyard can get very heavy and the 1.9hp the ms180 has isnt enough (because of compression loss i dont know if its really 1.9hp now) and the saw sees a lot of trouble. Maybe its wiser to get the ms231 to just have the power to cut through it
Maybe Bent a push rod Why it stops so fast.Just thought Thank you for the video
that thought had crossed my mind
I would do the plug first, then rebuild the carb. I would bet some of the liquid coming out of the cylinder with the plug out is fuel.
I think you're onto something
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I would start there anyway. It seems like every time I see liquid kick out of the plug hole, it turns out the carb float was stuck.
It will be fun to find out!
Hey if do decide to sell it let me know
sure thing
Hopefully nothing serious, maybe the coil lost spark? I was gonna say valve but i saw you do the valve lash on it so it couldnt have been it.
we'll find out soon, hoping to look at this week.
That oil would have me worried.
it was a bit overfilled wasn't it.
My money is on the valve lash being out time
thank you, I've definitely take a look into it.
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE your welcome young man and hopefully it will be a great running mower once again
Needle leaking
very good possibility
I am not working on lawnmowers anymore
I know the feeling they can wear on you over time