Gotrek and Felix are actual adventurers simply put into WH Battle from WH Fantasy setting. Series of books creates a good story arch and notes their adventures. Whoever put them into WH Battle setting simply done a quick cash grab manuever.
about the Powerplayer in the party thing, yeh it usually aint a problem in my group cuz we're all like that, but then the worse offender of them all got to be our DM and it was miserable, with fights so ridiculous that i actively avoided fights, in any other game my team can go from a fair fight to complete domination but when a Gotrek gets to be a DM it can get real ugly real fast.
I love how Felix slowly comes to understand that he is a hopeless adrenaline junkie who keeps travelling with Gotrek because he just fucking loves to fight impossible odds.
It's a common but satisfying thing in fiction when done correctly, like Rook from black lagoon for example, both Felix and him were woefully underprepared to deal with the things they ended up doing but they stayed around with their slayers because fuck if it wasn't the best trip they've ever had.
to bad its never really a plotpoint of much relivence. its only really talked about in felix’s musings. though i just finished zombieslayer, dont know if its a point latter on.
@@SwordWieldingDuck It isn't something he ever thinks out loud clearly, but by the time of Beast Slayer in Prague, Felix thinks to himself how he has adapted and now thrive at Gotreks side. He enjoys the trill of blade to blade combat and rarely seriously consider leaving or fleeing anymore.
I don't remember that at all aside him wondering if that's his reason he keeps on with Gotrek. By the time he rocks the cradle with Kat, he's been wanted to stop travelling and feels guilty for it. Felix was Gotrek's friend and Remember, but his prime goal in life was to get laid and settle down.
@@jonathanathor117 If you are avoiding spoilers don’t read anymore but if you aren’t In the end of the video, Pancreas goes over how Gotrek after he kept on killing so many demons during and after the end times, went on to search for Felix with the small chance he is alive. (Or a SCE, Basically a way to keep Old World Heroes alive even if they die)
One of my favorite moments from the series is when Gotrek & Felix finally meet Thanquol on the Skaven submarine. Thanquol is all "my nemisisses, finally after X years, I will destroy you", and their reaction is just "who is this rat?".
There's a good one where Felix meets Karl Franz who saves him from a solo duel with an Ork Warlord and Wyvern. Karl says it was the bravest thing he's ever seen, while Felix promptly faints.
Gotrek and Felix stories are basically: Felix: That is the most horrifying and grotesque *insert monster* I've ever seen. I'm surely going do die horribly now. Gotrek: Brutally murders *insert monster* in whacky and comical way
LOL I wouldn't even say it "whacky or comical" at all, gotrek is far from funny. It's very grim book hell the frrst few books have them fighting a guy who was mutating babies and kids. Most of what he kills is often times in beyond brutal ways lol
I would say a lot of the time gotrek is beaten and almost killed until Felix either backstabbed the enemy or helped figure a way out of it at a critical moment
imagine gotrek accidentally end up in fenris or one of the worlds the space wolves live on and then kills a kraken. logan grimnar is going to scratching his head
This is the only way 40k could ever have the end times. One pissed off stunty and his rediscovered manling pop out in 40k. Get found by a bunch of Orks in awe of his fightiness, then Gotrek kills every god in the setting ending with him dying while taking all 4 Chaos Gods out with him
@@demosxn6722 I'm picturing him dragging Khorne out by the horns and screaming at him about the shoddy workmanship of his brass citadel in between blows to the head. "AND DON' GET ME STARTED ABOUT THE BRASS WHEN YE COULD HAVE USED A SENSIBLE METAL LIKE STEEL" *Smack*.
For all the lore of barely mentioned places in the Warhammer world Gotrek and Felix are responsible for (Araby and Albion), I find it deeply hilarious that their time in Cathay is never elaborated on beyond "they couldn't find anything to finally kill Gotrek so they went home."
On this note, it is still super annoying to this day that we never got to read what G&F were actually doing in Araby, Ind, Khuresh, Cathay and Nippon, but rather the next novel starts just as they have returned from there.
@@vahlen5281 There was a short story about them heading east, it's included in the omnibus, where they fight a yeti (spelled yhetee). Otherwise the whole thing was just an excuse to have timeskip when the new author took over writing the novels. Would be fun if someone went back and expounded on those adventures now that Cathay actually has lore.
@@themostmagicskeleton273 With that Khuresh model, the adding of lore to Kislev, Cathay, and the Southlands. I have hope that the story won’t be Empire centric. That it will have Lizardmen, High Elves, Skaven, and Dark Elves
@@themostmagicskeleton273 That China civilisation Grand Cathay or whatever was always part of the Old World. There was loads of different human nations and tribes that didn’t get much tabletop representation but was mentioned in the lore.
@@ethane1149 I know! I love the Amazons I ironically, and Araby is the t i t s since I like Arabian esthetics. I was referring to more of the miniature side of the Old World, which I should have made more apparent tbh
My favourite example of Dwarves being portrayed as alien comes from Demonslayer. There's a forgotten Dwarf Karak full of demons in the far North, where the handful of Dwarves left survive by hiding and using secret passages. When the heroes reach them, they plan their escape, but the planning gets slowed down by them trying to work out how much of their ancestral treasure they can bring with them and which parts to prioritise. Felix steps in and suggests that they're wasting time and should just go now, because surely their lives are more important than any amount of treasure? Every Dwarf in the room then proceeds to stare at him as if he'd grown a second head before deciding to ignore the insane Manling and going back to their discussion.
While being a wanted criminal in the Empire Felix is named "Friend of the Dwarfs" making him the second human after Sigmar to be granted that titel. And the crazy slayer engineer used his parachutes to airdrop more slayers onto a chaos army from his armored and armed airship after it ran out of bombs while stating something along the line of "time to get serious"
@@Alex-xt1rr I read that a few weeks ago, and don't recall slayers airdroping out of the spirit of grungni. I think some warriors came down the rope ladder, but I don't remember parachuting down.
That rule about Gotrek's shoulder plate has flavour text saying "On his left shoulder - the side that was once protected by Felix Jager" and it's heart breaking
it's covered in the Realmgate series as well. Gotrek lost his left eye and is used to Felix fighting on his left to cover him. He noticed that he was being pushed on his left without anyone (Felix) there, so he armored up.
Interesting piece of trivia for all Snorri fans out there: Snorri is actually dead in the lore. Way before Snorri got its character fleshed out (i.e. years before the book series), we got to read about his death in battle. It was in a short story included, I think, in the Empire`s 4th edition Army Book. Basically a huge battle develops between the imperials and orcs, the former being helped by a contingent of dwarf slayers, among whom Gotrek, Felix and another salyer called Snorri. At the end of the battle (it's the same battle in which Gotrek utters his now famous line-turned-Special-Rule: "Look Snorri, trolls!"), Felix finds Gotrek next to a recently dug grave, and Gotrek says (with a smile): "Here lies Snorri. He killed four trolls. The last one fell on top of him."
@@GLevario12 I think they lampshade that in Giantslayer a bit by referring to it as like a possible outcome or it was some sort of vision or something, but it’s been a long time since I’ve read that passage so I might be missing something.
That story in in the Empire 4th Ed army book. At the time William King (the father of G&ze and if the modern WHFB lore) was in charge of the lore (see Mannfred vs G&F in the 4th Ed undead AB) and he wrote that story before G&F became a huge success and their earlier short stories were collected in Trollslayer and Skavenslayer. Later on (demon slayer) he introduced Snorri. The explanation is those are different time lines in which things developed differently
My favourite Snorri line in the the book DragonSlayer is when they(Felix, Gotrek and Snorri) got back to Kislev, there was a Skaven invasion (guess led by who :P ). Gotrek was like: "I think I heard a Rat Ogre or two. I call dips." and Snorri was like "But Snorri wanted to kill a big ratty too." which Felix responded with "You can have mine, Snorri" which made him smile and to which he answered with a big smile "Thank you, yoiung master Felix!" That line made me crack XD
Yep. He has many moments that can bring a smile. The only thing that annoyed me was when he wouldn't carry Gotrek's axe because it was his weapon and Felix had to.
@@thehermitman822 Dwarf culture man, they be nutty. Remember the huge feud that Gotrek had with one of his closest friends over a book of poetry? Or how one dwarf hadn't talked to a cousin for ten years cause that dwarf didn't buy him a round of beer?
@@crazyscotsman9327 Supposed to halve a book that was given to him by a lover? And the damn thing was rubbed plain anyways. Felix shining moment though with the callback to the shield Gotrek chopped in half. Even Gotrek can only handle so much Dwarf formality. 😆
In older lore, it was pointed out that Gotrek and Felix fought Malus Darkblade and Malus was one of the only people to ever live through the encounter with the duo. Tz'Arkan was horrified and forbid Malus from ever meeting them again.
@@radekhomola7658 God this was around 20 or so years ago. In older editions of the tabletop you could also summon a squad of marines as chaos if you rolled double ones on a failed spell.
@@trizick5379 ANOTHER GRUDGE FOR THE BOOK! And no, you cannot rush such important matters. For every paragraph a quaff of ale, for every mention of the Dawivolk a quaff of ale, for every slain grobi or elgi filth a puff from the pipe. Every page to be read til it can be recounted from memory and then on to the next. For this is the way of the Eternal folk to our core, this is the way of the Karaz Ankor.
Man, as a Tomb King enjoyer I have to admit, Slayers are the best thing in fantasy. Having played a year-long WFRP campaign with a guy who took the slayer oath end-game, they are amazing. This dwarf was a master craftsman who fought with a huge gromril warhammer and in between slaying would forge sculptures of our adventures. Of course my Sigmarite priest was his best friend.
@@THENemesisXX99 ah man, some weird stuff about not being dwarf enough, befriending elves, taking a bath too often, he decided he needed to redeem himself
I like the low key nature of the novels. It adds to the badassery, but adds a tinge of tragedy that the only one who'll remember any of this, is most likely Felix's brother.
Or that most likely anything able to kill Gotrek will surely kill Felix right after therefore leaving the saga w/o a proper ending. The early books could easily seem to never get a chance to publish b4 we find out about Felix mailing them back to Otto.
@@thehermitman822 as far I remember, otto published the books as fantasy and they got pretty popular to the point people recognizing gotrek and felix because of the books
The whole point of the slayers vow is that it's a complete rejection of suicide. It's more like a sentence of execution, but you're allowed to fight back. It's my favorite dwarf sub-theme because it is a fundamental rejection of suicide. They don't just go fight a monster that can kill them. They're soldiers who are sentenced to death, so they still try to be useful by fighting enemies they think they can beat. As they grow stronger they seek out stronger enemies
You know what….ive never thought about that…..I’m taking this as further anti-suicide motivstion. “When you feel the world is not worth it, don’t end it. Take an example from the dawi of warhsmmer - fight back and see just how long you left adventure could be”
@@christofferthorsson607 Yep! Thanquol is so paranoid, selfish, and actually drug-addled that he is constantly acting against the interests of arguably the most dangerous species in WFantasy
The collection of stories about Gotrek and Felix fighting Thanquol’s forces, who Thanquol actively sabotages, takes place in one book, Skavenslayer. A good book, and a damned good entry for the series as a whole.
There is a later book, Manslayer (book 9), where they return to Nuln and have to stop another plot (Chaos, this time), with the epilogue signifying Thanquol's return to the series.
Worth noting it's to be read Because I listened to the audiobook and the VA was a little too good at it Damn near felt spittle coming out my earbuds lmao
Am I the only one who feels bad for felix not being in AOS. It really pains me to see Felix's last moments in the old world was being trapped underground, writing how he only wished to see his family again as he runs out of air.
Part of me wants Gotrek to find Felix as a Stormcast but he has died so often that he doesn’t remember who he is. And Gotrek has to help his friend come back. Probably by going up to Nagash and kicking the shit out of the god of death until he gives back Felix’s soul.
Thanquol for all the hilarity he brings, isn't someone to really take lightly. He is legitimately devious, and is one of the most powerful skaven mages around. In an attempt to capture that dwarven airship he not only halted it in it's tracks with his magic, he actually started reeling it in. Max upon witnessing this said to himself, " I dont wanna try dueling that guy." His ego does lead to his downfall, in fact one time when he had Gotrek and Felix captured, he was overjoyed to finally have his archnemesis at his mercy. He was flabbergasted to learn they not only had NO IDEA who he was they had zero inkling they had ever been constantly interfereing with his plans.
Never forget that he not only summoned SKARBRAND but lived to tell the tale. Fun fact: this incident is also a big part of why Queek despises grey seers.
@@owenkasaboski6902 Thanquol's Doom. It's the third book in the Thanquol trilogy (after Grey Seer and Temple Of The Serpent). The trilogy is set in the time-skip between the Gotrek & Felix books 7 and 8.
Max also lost to Thanquol before that happened, which means Thanquol is already strong without the warpstone cocaine and after the warpstone cocaine that rat is absolutely monstrous. Basically after the events from Daemon Slayer book the Skaven attacked the outpost in Kislev near the Chaos Wastes and everyone there is held in prison
The thing I liked about gotrej and Felix was that up until the later books it was implied they were just another set of heroes. They were a snapshot into the world rather than unique god entity
While I personally think they’ve always been a cut above the rest, you’re absolutely right. That short story where they meet another slayer and HIS remembrancer proves that they’re not even the only odd pair of Man and Dwarf wandering the world for the exact same reason they are. They give the Warhammer world a whole lot of depth. Truth be told as awful as the End Times were, the Gotrek and Felix novels set during them do a great job of depicting what it’s like for someone who doesn’t have all the knowledge of prophecies and the Incarnates of Magic going through them - desperately trying to survive and always caught between planning for after the crisis is over while also acknowledging the fact that this time, there might not be a normal world (or indeed any world) to return to.
While im not really into gotrek and Felix, there was this story of where gotrek fought(and killed) an infernal guard. He later figures out that the infernal guard are pretty much chaos dwarf slayers, who wear armor instead of going ass naked. He later thinks to himself that while chaos dwarfs are corrupted, they are still dwarfs deep down.
Exactly what i wrote on a review. I got introduced to Warhamer trough Total war so its great to hear stories about the everyday people who live in Nuln, or the garrison of Karak eight peaks.
I think Cain is more like Gotrek but has Felix's personality. Apparently Cain is an amazing swordsman but can't really see it because he's too scared of what he's fighting.
It’s also a combination of him having imposter syndrome. He has the skill to land a blow on a space marine, one who says he has the skills of a master swordsman while watching him train alone. Sure the space marine wasn’t giving it his all but to land a blow on one that’s even halfway trying is a feat in of itself.
I mean remember that time he held of a full blown khorne blessed space marine in melee combat while calling them a pansy before skillfully disengaging so his allies could rip it apart with gunfire? Or when he took out an(admittedly injured) marine in close combat later in that same book?
@@youshouldntadidthat7691 ye its things like this that makes me think cain isnt actually a coward he just thinks that because the impirum projects an unhealthy idea of what bravery is
I made an OP character once, by accident. I'm not joking, I rolled well and made a Half-Orc fighter with 20 strength. I was given a +1 weapon (everyone got something special for their character) and eventually bought plate mail and a shield. The most notable thing to me was when we got assaulted by a demon whose CR was two levels beyond our party and I bodied it easily after about 3 rounds where the rest of the team did nothing to it. I showed up for one round, did half its HP and then killed it in the next round as it tried to flee. The next best thing was when I took 3 rounds to get to the party and killed every creature they fought in two. Man I felt bad. Any monsters that could challenge me would kill the other 4 and anything that could challenge them I would kill easily.
See form the sounds of it you neither planned it out nor spent 3 hours using mental gymnastics in preparation to justify why it isn’t actually that overpowered, you’ve done no wrong.
@@CharalamposKoundourakis at low lvls it is almost a certainly that you'll hit what every your swinging at plus your damage is going to be way above average for about half the game and if they ended the story at around lvl 10 like most games then he would still be doing about 50 percent more damage on average and undoubtedly put his 2 Stat boost into feats or con so he ain't dieing quickly.
@@insidechaos4913 This is the point of D&D. The fighters are much stronger in fights at early levels and casters run support with heals and utility spells that help you solve puzzles. Casters become stronger in short bursts in the late game, but your fighter types keep the consistency when the chips are down. D&D isn't just about the combat and you shouldn't feel bad for being strong in it. If no one else is having fun it's because the DM isn't giving them enough stuff to do outside of combat.
I just love the idea of chaos gods looking at gotrek carving his way through their most elite soldiers like they're butter WHILST IN A PLACE THAT DOESNT FOLLOW THE RULES OF PHYSICS. . . I just picture them going: "fucking. . . What?"
Considering he has one of Grimnir's axes, I'm not surprised. The axes of Grimnir make you about half as powerful as an ancestor god. Gotrek has one, the dwarf high king has the other. And Grombrindal brought one with him when he came back to the mortal world
@@sev1120 don't ruin this months old drunk statement with fucking LOGIC. . . You just ruined so many peoples fun with you're informed understanding. Register the idea that everyones perception differs, and everyone's goals are WILDLY different from there youth
Tzeench gripping his many heads: "HOW IS HE ALIVE!? WE COLLAPSED THE WHOLE FUCKING PLANET AROUND HIM!" Khorne: *chucking as many berserkers as he can at gotrek.* Slaanesh: *watching in both absolute horror and intense ecstacy* Nurgle: *absolutely sobbing over the cut up ruins of his garden*
@@TheVergoner Hell if I remember right in one of the Realmslayer books it's implied Archaon actively avoided somewhere Gotrek was because he didn't want to chance it.
gotrek gurnisson, the greatest failure of a slayer to ever walk the mortal and immortal realms, and a dwarf after my own heart seek death, kill death, drink
Major spoiler alert, so stop reading if you don't want to know about Felix. . . . Felix dies alone in a hole underground in the Old World, writing about how he wishes to see his family and friends again, before suffocating to death as he runs out of air. Gotrek will never find Felix again. Welcome to Warhammer.
@@celarc99 he does not suffocate to death. It is kinda implied, but not shown exactly. And his last thoughts were that he heard some noises. Which also implied there are people digging him out.
Me the time when i got a Dex AC of 20. And the DM didn't know magic existed. Then I ran so fast I ran though a room of cultists without being seen. Because I was moving that fast. Then i got one shot by the BBEG only to just decide dying is cringe and stand up with a nat20 on my death save. Later I one-shot said BBEG. With a critical backpack.
@@pancreasnowork9939 it was even better because in the first combat of the campaign my gm said he was uncomfortable calling what my character did with his fists “armor piercing”
@@oligb1469 I always pictured Gotrek as more guilt-ridden and slightly bitter with moments of true friendship with Felix occasionally shining through. BRIAN BLESSED's bombastic performance feels a little too hammy for my headcannon, but that doesn't mean it isn't extremely enjoyable.
@@azertyqwerty8398 Yeah I can see that I thought more of the two of them have done some weird sh*t so thought it would make sense but gotta admit he does ham it up
One of my favorite moments in the series was in Orc Slayer, when they had to mine into a dwarf hold. I dunno, just Gotrek dual wielding pick axes “dig diggy hole”.
"Felix...?" The great slayer says confused,hoping aganst hope. The stormcast removed his helm. Felix was silent. Tears began welling up in the dwarf. "Damm bastard...where the hell were ye!?" "Ive been busy. Sorry for being late Gotrek. You coming?" "Damm fuckin right i am! You made an oath! You being some fancy bloke aint changing that!" Felix sighed. "Well? Shall we? Your dooms not waiting itself." "Aye!" The 2 heroes united once again. And perhaps chaos got scared as...well. Where gotrek and felix go,chaos ensues and not the good way for chaos.
On the topic of Malakai Makaisson. He made a tank I forgot its name, but it's Makaisson, take a guess what happened. He built an Ironclad called "Unsinkable" It sunk. He wanted to name "the spirit of Grugni" something similar. But everyone else went, "no, no no no no, name it something else, please, for our sake."
I would like to point out that TECHNICALLY Snorri did win one big battle and it was in one of the most pivitoal books. He also did it so damn funny that I was completely caught off guard.
"together they wander the old world looking for things to kill gotrek" i just need to stop to appreciate this beautiful line right here. shit belongs in a museum
@@daviddestin1990 At 6:08 it starts the background music of Wolfstack Docks from sunless sea. Though it is not labeled in the description with the other soundtracks but he does use the Wolfstack Docks theme quite often in his other videos.
There is only one book dealing with the Skaven trying to conquer Nuln. It is the aptly named skavenslayer. Your confusion about the 3 books may stem from the fact the original troll slayer and skavenslayer books are collections of previously published short stories, so each “chapter” is actually a different short story
@@spottedslash4256 All thanks to "haha funny crater pose" moment despite him having to face against a genetically enhanced freak made for war and his ability to make living bombs. Though importantly he came back to life later while Nappa didn't, so he got to get even stronger (And was still strong enough to beat kid Goku really easily back in Dragon Ball before they decided to make friends)
@@Trynt33 To be fair he doesn't have much feats. He could held his own against a Cell Junior which is roughly about as strong as a Super Saiyan or a Goku with Kaioken 8x.
I was just looking for something to put in the background while painting and you delivered most excellently. I love this series and your content and a happier union is unthinkable to me.
Same I love to listen to these videos whilst playing games like total war where there is a lot of downtime between battles and helps to keep me calm with the comedy.
I can say this is without a doubt of (some) of the best Dark fantasy written. I read all the books and I have to say they really make Felix believed and he comes off very senseable and really draws you in. I think the books are FAR better than the 40k stuff.
I heavily recommend the audio books sadly only up to vampire slayer, the voice actor does them all justice especially the skaven you won't be disappointed.
Pancreas: Don't look up anything about Ulrika if you don't want MASSIVE spoilers. Me: Ulrika... where have I heard that name? *opens up late-game Kislev save in WH3* Me: Ahh... Sigmar damn it...
"Wait Gotrek! They have an Army!" "Good. I need to work up a thirst, come along Manling." "Snorri is coming too, can't let Gotrek die without buying me that ale he owes me." *Trio bumbles off and promptly lays into what was an army* *awed Imperial silence*
Spoiler for AoS. During the End Times Grimnir made Gotrek a Dwaven God of vengence and tasked him with fighting an endless tide of daemons. Then he got spit out in the Mortal Realm where he met Fyreslayers then he took a Fyreslayer Great Axe that kills every duradin who touches it. Then he bit of part of the nose of a Runeson when got in his face. Then he pressed a Fyreslayer Ur-Gold masterrune in his chest wich lets him go Rage god mode with golden Skin and burning beard. He is accompanied by a Daughter of Khaine who was tasked to steal said rune and now reluctantly follows Gotrek in hopes that when he dies she can retrieve it (ain´t gonna happen).
People have called my D&D builds OP then I proved them wrong by making an actual OP D&D character who treats ancient dragons like a mild inconvenience before level 10.
I can only imagine the sheer eye rolling the other players give you. "woow thats... really impressive dude totally not bored out of my mind right now *goes back to phone*"
Hey Mr.PancreasNoWork, as a Khorne loving glue sniffer of the "Angron isn't that bad" variety. I am wondering what that Karl Franz guy is about and why you keep saying he's the best emperror. Any chance you make a video about him at some point in the future so I may gain enough IQ to not like Khorne anymore?
you said something about how we shouldn't look up Ulrika due to most images about her are softcore, which naturally caused me to go and look it up. only thing I found was a 40k version of her model, her model, and official book art, nothing else. not even deviantart or rule34 has anything.
The thirsting of Zabbia for Felix in “Serpent Queen” is absolutely hilarious, especially given her “situation”. And on the topic of horny Tomb Queens, and this might just be me, but regardless, I swear that Khalida had similar thoughts as her, but unlike her herald, Khalida had an actual filter whenever she spoke or thought. Also you forgot to add two other characters to the main secondary characters… The first is Kat aka Katerina aka Felix’s future wife who wanted to go adventuring with Felix and Gotrek but Felix said no for obvious reasons. She actually saved Felix when they first met from a Khorne follower. The other being Otto Jaeger, the brother of Felix who got letters from Felix to “hold on to” until Felix returned to publish as a book, but in stead published them as a incredibly successful books series called “My Travels with Gotrek” mostly due to the sheer unbelievability of what they went through that (I think) it was believed that Felix was just making stuff up and *no one* thought it was actually true in the slightest.
I don’t think he should have come back in AOS, it makes his sacrifice meaningless. Also if Oxyolt can survive a couple thousand years in the warp I think Gotrek can survive the amount he did
Not really considering his goal is now to kill Nagash for being Nagash, and punch Grimnir in the face for lying to him. And because he has such a no fucks given attitude that leads to piles of dead monstera, cults everywhere spring up worshipping him as Grimnir reborn.
@@joedatius No, I mean after being stuck killing daemons for however much time has passed in the totally-not-just-the-Warp, he can add some variety back to his kill list.
There is a very good reason why none of Thanquols endeavours come to fruition. Despite him being a certified genius tactician, a true master of various branches of magics & the only Grey Seer given enough cred to openly insult the Great Horned One directly to the council themselves, he fails every time. Why would that be? Well... "The best laid plans of mice & men often go awry" - therefore the best laid plans of an actual rat-man will always fail. Warhammer logic.
It would've been renamed to "The Eternal Stalemate" because Archaon has too much plot armor to be allowed to do anything that even vaguely resembles losing beyond having his ass handed to him by Grimgor.
Games Workshop wanted the end times bad so probably not. That being said they did a round of play testing where they showed off Gotrek’s rules and had him fight Archaon as well as some others. I think Archaon delivered 3 wounds (2 of which were Gotrek’s own wounds wind reflected back at him) whereupon Gotrek killed him in a single round of combat. So in fantasy, not sure who would win. In AoS? Archaon’s getting his shit rocked.
@@emetanti He isn't though. Archaon had absurd plot armour because GW wanted him to be a threat but he's not that strong in terms of what his actual achievements are.
These were some of the best novels I've ever read, nevermind just in the Fantasy universe. Just outright belly laughs. Everything about Warhammer Fantasy was wonderful, but these novels hold a loving place in my heart. They did so many good things for the world lol
Honestly I got into warhammer through 40k, but I think I’ve ended up appreciating warhammer fantasy a lot more thanks to your videos. Now I’ve got a book series I wanna read so thanks for that.
There is simply no way that Sigmar overlooks Felix's soul. Felix is a mightier warrior than probably any other human (bar Karl Franz) of his era. If it's ok for Stormcast Eternals to be a thing, then it makes sense for Felix to come to AOS.
Gotrek vs any primarch would be a very good fight Gotrek vs Leman Russ would be a drinking match where they both end up black out drunk and crying about how grimdark warhammer is before getting in a fist fight while declaring eachother blood brothers and then passing out.
In bloodbowl short stories they pop up and help a coach get his murdered player back to the arena wrapped up in a carpet. They don’t know there’s a dead guy in there until he starts leaking out
wait the fact that grimnir was "grooming gotrek" is supposed to be a spoiler? isn't it obvious from at least the time they returned from chaos wastes on the flying ship? its the grimnirs axe and everyone keeps saying that axe is somehow changing gotrek
It's a really good hint the power of the axe when Gotrek finds it but Max's description of both G & F after a 20 yr gap in seeing them makes it perdy clear.
AOS Spoilers I love that once Gotrek arrived in the old world he went to Hammerhal to reunite with Felix because he was sure that he would be selected to become a Stormcast (judgng by their reputation), until the end of the book where a Stormcast battlesmith scoffed at the idea of a poet being selected by Sigmar, which led to Gotrek roasting the shit out of him and then coming to the conclusion that Felix was obviously not there since there wasnt a single Stormcast worthy enough to polish his mail, so he went to look for him elsewhere
I love that scene. Almost heartwarming. Gotrek: "He slew a Chaos Dragon, storysmith. Have you ever done that? He followed me to the darkest places of the Old World, all the way to the Chaos Wastes, and back, all on the strength of his word alone! Twenty years, we traveled the world, before I released him from his oath so that he might go home and be wed! And even then, he managed to be there beside me at the very end! If there's a hero amongst the Stormcast Eternals worthy of even polishing the manling's mail, then I'll cut an inch off my beard! You, storysmith, aren't yet worthy to speak his name - not until you've notched your blade on a Chaos Lord or ten!" All that voiced by the great Brian Blessed.
Malakai is no dwarf. Malakai is a Khorne damn stunt. With weapons and tech like that? I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled a multimelta out of nowhere.
I said before if everyone was like Bardin the world would be a better place but if everyone was like Snorri we’d have world peace.
And constant headaches from booze and headbutts.
@@thehermitman822 sounds like heaven to me
Gotrek and Felix are actual adventurers simply put into WH Battle from WH Fantasy setting.
Series of books creates a good story arch and notes their adventures.
Whoever put them into WH Battle setting simply done a quick cash grab manuever.
You ughh.. You okay there with the whole DND situation? It sounds like you might need to subtly fuck with your friends if they're doing that.
about the Powerplayer in the party thing, yeh it usually aint a problem in my group cuz we're all like that, but then the worse offender of them all got to be our DM and it was miserable, with fights so ridiculous that i actively avoided fights, in any other game my team can go from a fair fight to complete domination but when a Gotrek gets to be a DM it can get real ugly real fast.
I love how Felix slowly comes to understand that he is a hopeless adrenaline junkie who keeps travelling with Gotrek because he just fucking loves to fight impossible odds.
It's a common but satisfying thing in fiction when done correctly, like Rook from black lagoon for example, both Felix and him were woefully underprepared to deal with the things they ended up doing but they stayed around with their slayers because fuck if it wasn't the best trip they've ever had.
to bad its never really a plotpoint of much relivence. its only really talked about in felix’s musings. though i just finished zombieslayer, dont know if its a point latter on.
What? I don't remember him ever realising that. And in fact, he was quite content with Kat.
@@SwordWieldingDuck It isn't something he ever thinks out loud clearly, but by the time of Beast Slayer in Prague, Felix thinks to himself how he has adapted and now thrive at Gotreks side. He enjoys the trill of blade to blade combat and rarely seriously consider leaving or fleeing anymore.
I don't remember that at all aside him wondering if that's his reason he keeps on with Gotrek. By the time he rocks the cradle with Kat, he's been wanted to stop travelling and feels guilty for it. Felix was Gotrek's friend and Remember, but his prime goal in life was to get laid and settle down.
Gottrik in AoS straight up went: “Don’t think you are done Felix! You took an oath and the world ending isn’t going to let you get out of it!”
What happened to felix in AOS?
He is said to be a storm cast or atleast that what I have heard
@@jonathanathor117 Gotrek met a Storcast Eternal and thought that Felix was too good to become one of them so he must be alive
@@jonathanathor117 he remained in the material plane so the same as any other character that didn't become a god or wen't through the warp
@@jonathanathor117 If you are avoiding spoilers don’t read anymore but if you aren’t
In the end of the video, Pancreas goes over how Gotrek after he kept on killing so many demons during and after the end times, went on to search for Felix with the small chance he is alive. (Or a SCE, Basically a way to keep Old World Heroes alive even if they die)
One of my favorite moments from the series is when Gotrek & Felix finally meet Thanquol on the Skaven submarine. Thanquol is all "my nemisisses, finally after X years, I will destroy you", and their reaction is just "who is this rat?".
lol yea bad ass scene. The classic Thanos "I dont even know you" trope
There's a good one where Felix meets Karl Franz who saves him from a solo duel with an Ork Warlord and Wyvern. Karl says it was the bravest thing he's ever seen, while Felix promptly faints.
I think Felix even asked if Gotrek knew who he was and Gotrek just went “they’re all Skaven, manling, I couldn’t tell you.”
@@pancreasnowork9939 That could have been avoided had Claudia not be a little bitch. Shame, anyway did that Celestial Wizard appear more?
They didn't know him personally cuz he did his biddings by using others
Gotrek and Felix stories are basically:
Felix: That is the most horrifying and grotesque *insert monster* I've ever seen. I'm surely going do die horribly now.
Gotrek: Brutally murders *insert monster* in whacky and comical way
LOL I wouldn't even say it "whacky or comical" at all, gotrek is far from funny. It's very grim book hell the frrst few books have them fighting a guy who was mutating babies and kids. Most of what he kills is often times in beyond brutal ways lol
Snorri thinks Snorri should get some credit young manling.
Also The Scaven end up doing some Looney Tunes-esque hi-jinks.
I would say a lot of the time gotrek is beaten and almost killed until Felix either backstabbed the enemy or helped figure a way out of it at a critical moment
is it wrong that i somehow expect Gotrek to somehow just end up in 40k still fighting deamons and searching for Felix?
imagine gotrek accidentally end up in fenris or one of the worlds the space wolves live on and then kills a kraken. logan grimnar is going to scratching his head
This is the only way 40k could ever have the end times. One pissed off stunty and his rediscovered manling pop out in 40k. Get found by a bunch of Orks in awe of his fightiness, then Gotrek kills every god in the setting ending with him dying while taking all 4 Chaos Gods out with him
@Never_heart still would better than the actual endtimes.
well what do you think the god emperors true name is?
il give you a hint.
*It starts with F, and ends with X.*
@@yasquishyboi902 Perhaps he was, but the current entity posing as him is nothing more than a pretender.
I love the fact that Gotrex had a greater Hp pool than the entire setting he came from.
The Warhammer world broke before he did.
he seeks a mighty death worthy of him, the destuction of the world by 4 ancient chaos gods just wont do
@@Jackaboy64 *Mannfred
@@Jackaboy64 If he wants to be he would be the apocalypse. He'd break into the palaces of each of the dark gods and drag them out screaming
@@demosxn6722 I'm picturing him dragging Khorne out by the horns and screaming at him about the shoddy workmanship of his brass citadel in between blows to the head.
"AND DON' GET ME STARTED ABOUT THE BRASS WHEN YE COULD HAVE USED A SENSIBLE METAL LIKE STEEL" *Smack*.
@@VallornDeathblade I'm picturing him chopping through Tzeentch's maze.
For all the lore of barely mentioned places in the Warhammer world Gotrek and Felix are responsible for (Araby and Albion), I find it deeply hilarious that their time in Cathay is never elaborated on beyond "they couldn't find anything to finally kill Gotrek so they went home."
I guess the dragon emperor was too chill
@OHGAS no the dragon emperor flew away out of fear of his ham sized fists
On this note, it is still super annoying to this day that we never got to read what G&F were actually doing in Araby, Ind, Khuresh, Cathay and Nippon, but rather the next novel starts just as they have returned from there.
@@vahlen5281 There was a short story about them heading east, it's included in the omnibus, where they fight a yeti (spelled yhetee). Otherwise the whole thing was just an excuse to have timeskip when the new author took over writing the novels. Would be fun if someone went back and expounded on those adventures now that Cathay actually has lore.
@@captainscience2732 Didn't that encounter occur in the Mountains of Mourn?
Right now I’m reading the Malus Darkblade books. I miss the Old World so much. I don’t hate AoS but it lacks the charm of the Old World.
Agreed. I love Malus’s books
At least Warhammer: Old World is happening
I’m not sure if it’ll rewrite tones of lore and characters but hey it has China in it apparently
@@themostmagicskeleton273 With that Khuresh model, the adding of lore to Kislev, Cathay, and the Southlands. I have hope that the story won’t be Empire centric. That it will have Lizardmen, High Elves, Skaven, and Dark Elves
@@themostmagicskeleton273 That China civilisation Grand Cathay or whatever was always part of the Old World. There was loads of different human nations and tribes that didn’t get much tabletop representation but was mentioned in the lore.
@@ethane1149 I know! I love the Amazons I ironically, and Araby is the t i t s since I like Arabian esthetics. I was referring to more of the miniature side of the Old World, which I should have made more apparent tbh
My favourite example of Dwarves being portrayed as alien comes from Demonslayer. There's a forgotten Dwarf Karak full of demons in the far North, where the handful of Dwarves left survive by hiding and using secret passages. When the heroes reach them, they plan their escape, but the planning gets slowed down by them trying to work out how much of their ancestral treasure they can bring with them and which parts to prioritise. Felix steps in and suggests that they're wasting time and should just go now, because surely their lives are more important than any amount of treasure? Every Dwarf in the room then proceeds to stare at him as if he'd grown a second head before deciding to ignore the insane Manling and going back to their discussion.
What did Gotrek say to make it seem like he wasn’t completely insane for traveling with this inept manling?
While being a wanted criminal in the Empire Felix is named "Friend of the Dwarfs" making him the second human after Sigmar to be granted that titel.
And the crazy slayer engineer used his parachutes to airdrop more slayers onto a chaos army from his armored and armed airship after it ran out of bombs while stating something along the line of "time to get serious"
"we've run out of bombs"
"Aye. Drop the slayer's"
Tbh I'd rather have have bombs dropping on me than pissed of suicidal drunk stunty bastards.
I've read many of the books but can't recall this epicness - which book was it please?
@@SprikSprak the part of airdroping Slayers is from the book Beastslayer
@@Alex-xt1rr Thanks 🙂
@@Alex-xt1rr I read that a few weeks ago, and don't recall slayers airdroping out of the spirit of grungni. I think some warriors came down the rope ladder, but I don't remember parachuting down.
That rule about Gotrek's shoulder plate has flavour text saying "On his left shoulder - the side that was once protected by Felix Jager" and it's heart breaking
Damn that hurts
it's covered in the Realmgate series as well. Gotrek lost his left eye and is used to Felix fighting on his left to cover him. He noticed that he was being pushed on his left without anyone (Felix) there, so he armored up.
Nope
Not gonna think about that
No
I'm made of STONE DAMN IT!
This video is the extent of my experience with these two and I am now in immense emotional pain regardless
Interesting piece of trivia for all Snorri fans out there: Snorri is actually dead in the lore. Way before Snorri got its character fleshed out (i.e. years before the book series), we got to read about his death in battle. It was in a short story included, I think, in the Empire`s 4th edition Army Book. Basically a huge battle develops between the imperials and orcs, the former being helped by a contingent of dwarf slayers, among whom Gotrek, Felix and another salyer called Snorri. At the end of the battle (it's the same battle in which Gotrek utters his now famous line-turned-Special-Rule: "Look Snorri, trolls!"), Felix finds Gotrek next to a recently dug grave, and Gotrek says (with a smile): "Here lies Snorri. He killed four trolls. The last one fell on top of him."
Thats the funniest doom, not the greatest. Clearly Grimnir had to will him back to life to fulfill his destiny.
@@GLevario12 I think they lampshade that in Giantslayer a bit by referring to it as like a possible outcome or it was some sort of vision or something, but it’s been a long time since I’ve read that passage so I might be missing something.
That story in in the Empire 4th Ed army book. At the time William King (the father of G&ze and if the modern WHFB lore) was in charge of the lore (see Mannfred vs G&F in the 4th Ed undead AB) and he wrote that story before G&F became a huge success and their earlier short stories were collected in Trollslayer and Skavenslayer. Later on (demon slayer) he introduced Snorri. The explanation is those are different time lines in which things developed differently
Imagine being crushed into a coma then buried alive....good thing he actual have a real god to speak to.
Just out of curiosity, what does that rule do?
My favourite Snorri line in the the book DragonSlayer is when they(Felix, Gotrek and Snorri) got back to Kislev, there was a Skaven invasion (guess led by who :P ).
Gotrek was like: "I think I heard a Rat Ogre or two. I call dips." and Snorri was like "But Snorri wanted to kill a big ratty too." which Felix responded with "You can have mine, Snorri" which made him smile and to which he answered with a big smile "Thank you, yoiung master Felix!"
That line made me crack XD
Yep. He has many moments that can bring a smile. The only thing that annoyed me was when he wouldn't carry Gotrek's axe because it was his weapon and Felix had to.
@@thehermitman822 Dwarf culture man, they be nutty. Remember the huge feud that Gotrek had with one of his closest friends over a book of poetry? Or how one dwarf hadn't talked to a cousin for ten years cause that dwarf didn't buy him a round of beer?
@@crazyscotsman9327 Supposed to halve a book that was given to him by a lover? And the damn thing was rubbed plain anyways. Felix shining moment though with the callback to the shield Gotrek chopped in half. Even Gotrek can only handle so much Dwarf formality. 😆
@@thehermitman822 Yup that one.
aw that's so wholesome
In older lore, it was pointed out that Gotrek and Felix fought Malus Darkblade and Malus was one of the only people to ever live through the encounter with the duo. Tz'Arkan was horrified and forbid Malus from ever meeting them again.
could you please tell me, where I would find this bit of lore? I would love to read it.
@@radekhomola7658 God this was around 20 or so years ago. In older editions of the tabletop you could also summon a squad of marines as chaos if you rolled double ones on a failed spell.
@@oexterminatuso778 ah, okey :D then your comment will just have to do :D thanks for info
Did not know this this is freaking awesome I'm reading the malus books now.
For once the Daemon of Slaanesh is 110% in the right.
Malakai also made a boat called the Unsinkable. It sank.
He’s really gotta stop with that shit
@@pancreasnowork9939 He wanted to call the airship in the book the Unstoppable.
DON'T SPOIL THE ENDING I HAVEN'T READ THAT SHORT STORY YET.
THIS OFFENCE IS GOING IN THE BOOK!
@@ozymandias7392 damn haven't finished reading a short story as a dwarf why was the pages to bug to turn
@@trizick5379
ANOTHER GRUDGE FOR THE BOOK!
And no, you cannot rush such important matters.
For every paragraph a quaff of ale, for every mention of the Dawivolk a quaff of ale, for every slain grobi or elgi filth a puff from the pipe. Every page to be read til it can be recounted from memory and then on to the next. For this is the way of the Eternal folk to our core, this is the way of the Karaz Ankor.
Man, as a Tomb King enjoyer I have to admit, Slayers are the best thing in fantasy. Having played a year-long WFRP campaign with a guy who took the slayer oath end-game, they are amazing. This dwarf was a master craftsman who fought with a huge gromril warhammer and in between slaying would forge sculptures of our adventures. Of course my Sigmarite priest was his best friend.
What made him take the slayer oath in the end?
@@THENemesisXX99 ah man, some weird stuff about not being dwarf enough, befriending elves, taking a bath too often, he decided he needed to redeem himself
That's wholesome
Not an insult but you look like you are a warrior priest irl
"Gods break easier than the oaths of dwarves." - Gotrek
I like the low key nature of the novels. It adds to the badassery, but adds a tinge of tragedy that the only one who'll remember any of this, is most likely Felix's brother.
Or that most likely anything able to kill Gotrek will surely kill Felix right after therefore leaving the saga w/o a proper ending. The early books could easily seem to never get a chance to publish b4 we find out about Felix mailing them back to Otto.
@@thehermitman822 as far I remember, otto published the books as fantasy and they got pretty popular to the point people recognizing gotrek and felix because of the books
It was printed by Altdorf press it sais so at the begining of every chapter.
@@cabellones Yeah. Otto thinks Felix is full of shit.
The whole point of the slayers vow is that it's a complete rejection of suicide. It's more like a sentence of execution, but you're allowed to fight back.
It's my favorite dwarf sub-theme because it is a fundamental rejection of suicide. They don't just go fight a monster that can kill them. They're soldiers who are sentenced to death, so they still try to be useful by fighting enemies they think they can beat. As they grow stronger they seek out stronger enemies
Best description I've ever seen.
Grimnir abhors suicide, its just a waste of perfectly good dwarf.
You know what….ive never thought about that…..I’m taking this as further anti-suicide motivstion. “When you feel the world is not worth it, don’t end it. Take an example from the dawi of warhsmmer - fight back and see just how long you left adventure could be”
@@darko-man8549 it was for me. Be well brother, it can always get better. I hope you have a blessed day.
Basically, they don't value their lives like at all, but also want to make sure that they do the most with their lives as they possibly can.
Ah yes, Felix Jaegar and his ever-growing harem of coffins
And Kat.
Thanquol is the perfect example of how an absolutely Chaotic Evil character can unknowingly serve good
isn't there lore about a slaan choosing to spare thanquol cause he foresaw that thanquol would cause great damage to the skaven if left alive.
@@christofferthorsson607 Yep! Thanquol is so paranoid, selfish, and actually drug-addled that he is constantly acting against the interests of arguably the most dangerous species in WFantasy
Thanquol is basically a DND character that only rolls 1’s and 20’s. Best shaven character.
@@christofferthorsson607 I at first read spare as serve... I was deeply disturbed by the thought of a Slaan willingly serving a Skaven
The collection of stories about Gotrek and Felix fighting Thanquol’s forces, who Thanquol actively sabotages, takes place in one book, Skavenslayer. A good book, and a damned good entry for the series as a whole.
There is a later book, Manslayer (book 9), where they return to Nuln and have to stop another plot (Chaos, this time), with the epilogue signifying Thanquol's return to the series.
Worth noting it's to be read
Because I listened to the audiobook and the VA was a little too good at it
Damn near felt spittle coming out my earbuds lmao
@@Minority119Say... where can I find this audio book?
@@the_tactician9858 I found the first audiobook, trollslayer, on the internet archive
@@the_tactician9858audible, atleast that’s where I heard it
The narrator is just amazing, his way of speaking like skavens was prefect
Am I the only one who feels bad for felix not being in AOS. It really pains me to see Felix's last moments in the old world was being trapped underground, writing how he only wished to see his family again as he runs out of air.
Part of me wants Gotrek to find Felix as a Stormcast but he has died so often that he doesn’t remember who he is. And Gotrek has to help his friend come back. Probably by going up to Nagash and kicking the shit out of the god of death until he gives back Felix’s soul.
@@crazyscotsman9327that is the plot of Deathslayer
@@fernandoamadorneumayer195 I mean it makes sense, Gotrek and Felix need to start kicking ass across all of the realms.
well thats just fucking sad
Thanquol for all the hilarity he brings, isn't someone to really take lightly. He is legitimately devious, and is one of the most powerful skaven mages around. In an attempt to capture that dwarven airship he not only halted it in it's tracks with his magic, he actually started reeling it in. Max upon witnessing this said to himself, " I dont wanna try dueling that guy." His ego does lead to his downfall, in fact one time when he had Gotrek and Felix captured, he was overjoyed to finally have his archnemesis at his mercy. He was flabbergasted to learn they not only had NO IDEA who he was they had zero inkling they had ever been constantly interfereing with his plans.
Never forget that he not only summoned SKARBRAND but lived to tell the tale. Fun fact: this incident is also a big part of why Queek despises grey seers.
and how he was putting out so much power bringing in the airship, it got the attention of the chaos mage twins.
@@nerdyvids1 WHEN DID HE DO THAT? Seriously, I need to know.
@@owenkasaboski6902 Thanquol's Doom. It's the third book in the Thanquol trilogy (after Grey Seer and Temple Of The Serpent). The trilogy is set in the time-skip between the Gotrek & Felix books 7 and 8.
Max also lost to Thanquol before that happened, which means Thanquol is already strong without the warpstone cocaine and after the warpstone cocaine that rat is absolutely monstrous. Basically after the events from Daemon Slayer book the Skaven attacked the outpost in Kislev near the Chaos Wastes and everyone there is held in prison
The thing I liked about gotrej and Felix was that up until the later books it was implied they were just another set of heroes. They were a snapshot into the world rather than unique god entity
While I personally think they’ve always been a cut above the rest, you’re absolutely right. That short story where they meet another slayer and HIS remembrancer proves that they’re not even the only odd pair of Man and Dwarf wandering the world for the exact same reason they are.
They give the Warhammer world a whole lot of depth. Truth be told as awful as the End Times were, the Gotrek and Felix novels set during them do a great job of depicting what it’s like for someone who doesn’t have all the knowledge of prophecies and the Incarnates of Magic going through them - desperately trying to survive and always caught between planning for after the crisis is over while also acknowledging the fact that this time, there might not be a normal world (or indeed any world) to return to.
While im not really into gotrek and Felix, there was this story of where gotrek fought(and killed) an infernal guard. He later figures out that the infernal guard are pretty much chaos dwarf slayers, who wear armor instead of going ass naked. He later thinks to himself that while chaos dwarfs are corrupted, they are still dwarfs deep down.
The name of the story?
@@Zeradias090 I know there is this one scene in the “road of skulls” where he fought a chaos dwarf I think it’s that book
@@alanshu4255 thanks a lot
I’m on book 4 and enjoying the series
It’s like a street level view of the warhammer world
And you'll be going down many city & rural roads.
that is a part of it i liked.
Exactly what i wrote on a review. I got introduced to Warhamer trough Total war so its great to hear stories about the everyday people who live in Nuln, or the garrison of Karak eight peaks.
Gotrek after getting stuck in the Warp finds each of the Chaos Gods…
Gotrek: *“WHY HAVEN’T YOU KILLED ME YET?!”*
Chaos Gods: *[Shocked Pikachu Faces]*
Gotrek: "Proceeds to kill all of Choas".
I think Cain is more like Gotrek but has Felix's personality. Apparently Cain is an amazing swordsman but can't really see it because he's too scared of what he's fighting.
It’s also a combination of him having imposter syndrome. He has the skill to land a blow on a space marine, one who says he has the skills of a master swordsman while watching him train alone. Sure the space marine wasn’t giving it his all but to land a blow on one that’s even halfway trying is a feat in of itself.
I mean remember that time he held of a full blown khorne blessed space marine in melee combat while calling them a pansy before skillfully disengaging so his allies could rip it apart with gunfire? Or when he took out an(admittedly injured) marine in close combat later in that same book?
Cain is very competent at his job even tho he hates it
@@youshouldntadidthat7691 ye its things like this that makes me think cain isnt actually a coward he just thinks that because the impirum projects an unhealthy idea of what bravery is
I made an OP character once, by accident. I'm not joking, I rolled well and made a Half-Orc fighter with 20 strength. I was given a +1 weapon (everyone got something special for their character) and eventually bought plate mail and a shield. The most notable thing to me was when we got assaulted by a demon whose CR was two levels beyond our party and I bodied it easily after about 3 rounds where the rest of the team did nothing to it. I showed up for one round, did half its HP and then killed it in the next round as it tried to flee. The next best thing was when I took 3 rounds to get to the party and killed every creature they fought in two.
Man I felt bad. Any monsters that could challenge me would kill the other 4 and anything that could challenge them I would kill easily.
See form the sounds of it you neither planned it out nor spent 3 hours using mental gymnastics in preparation to justify why it isn’t actually that overpowered, you’ve done no wrong.
How is a 20 str fighter is op? Were the others a gaggle of rangers or something?
@@CharalamposKoundourakis at low lvls it is almost a certainly that you'll hit what every your swinging at plus your damage is going to be way above average for about half the game and if they ended the story at around lvl 10 like most games then he would still be doing about 50 percent more damage on average and undoubtedly put his 2 Stat boost into feats or con so he ain't dieing quickly.
@@insidechaos4913 This is the point of D&D. The fighters are much stronger in fights at early levels and casters run support with heals and utility spells that help you solve puzzles. Casters become stronger in short bursts in the late game, but your fighter types keep the consistency when the chips are down. D&D isn't just about the combat and you shouldn't feel bad for being strong in it. If no one else is having fun it's because the DM isn't giving them enough stuff to do outside of combat.
I have been that kind of characters twice. My dungeon master hates me
I just love the idea of chaos gods looking at gotrek carving his way through their most elite soldiers like they're butter WHILST IN A PLACE THAT DOESNT FOLLOW THE RULES OF PHYSICS. . .
I just picture them going: "fucking. . . What?"
A place that will bend to his stubborn Dwarven Slayer will. 😆
Khorne looks at Gotrek. I like him!
Considering he has one of Grimnir's axes, I'm not surprised.
The axes of Grimnir make you about half as powerful as an ancestor god. Gotrek has one, the dwarf high king has the other.
And Grombrindal brought one with him when he came back to the mortal world
@@sev1120 don't ruin this months old drunk statement with fucking LOGIC. . . You just ruined so many peoples fun with you're informed understanding. Register the idea that everyones perception differs, and everyone's goals are WILDLY different from there youth
Tzeench gripping his many heads: "HOW IS HE ALIVE!? WE COLLAPSED THE WHOLE FUCKING PLANET AROUND HIM!"
Khorne: *chucking as many berserkers as he can at gotrek.*
Slaanesh: *watching in both absolute horror and intense ecstacy*
Nurgle: *absolutely sobbing over the cut up ruins of his garden*
Gotrek: "I wish to die"
God: 'No'
Gotrek: *kills god*
I feel this would happen
F you god, you cant tell me what to do
'Looking AoS Gotrek.'
That's kinda close actual. Gotrek sure has that planned. 😆
@@TheVergoner Hell if I remember right in one of the Realmslayer books it's implied Archaon actively avoided somewhere Gotrek was because he didn't want to chance it.
I hate to break it to you, but he basically did exactly that.
While screaming "LET ME FUCKING DIE!"
I would’ve legit loved an animated series, the books just lend themselves so well
The lost Dwarfhold fight in Deamon Slayer would be my top choice, which mentions as I type. 😆
If so than Gotrek needs to be voiced by Brian Blessed
@@cubaj8723 I think the guy that's voiced animated Hulk through the yrs would be a better fit.
@@thehermitman822 Nah, Brian Blessed.
@@LordVader1094 His voice is just too weak for what I expected to hear from Gotrek.
gotrek gurnisson, the greatest failure of a slayer to ever walk the mortal and immortal realms, and a dwarf after my own heart
seek death, kill death, drink
I read the whole saga last year, i agree with Gotrek, no Storcast could ever be as good as Felix, best bromance ever
It's a mighty grudge to make a claim that they could match Felix with anything short of 10 to 1 odds
On the party balance thing you mentioned:
If everyone is op, no one is.
wait. So in AoS one of his mission is to find his buddy? aww that's surprisingly cute for a Warhammer story
And his axe
Major spoiler alert, so stop reading if you don't want to know about Felix.
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Felix dies alone in a hole underground in the Old World, writing about how he wishes to see his family and friends again, before suffocating to death as he runs out of air. Gotrek will never find Felix again. Welcome to Warhammer.
@@celarc99 jokes on you there are undead in warhammer
@@celarc99 he does not suffocate to death. It is kinda implied, but not shown exactly. And his last thoughts were that he heard some noises. Which also implied there are people digging him out.
As Gotrek says if anyone deserves to be a Stormcast it’s Felix
If you thought Snorri was depressing, Gotrek in AoS...oh boy.
Thats just AoS. AoS ruined all of gotrek and felix for me,
Yeah AOS is such a larger scale setting that it sorta makes sense they don’t really have too much happening there
I've been the overpowered player by complete accident and instead of saying "he's not that powerful" I said "how the fuck is he that powerful"
See when it just happens it’s alright because sometimes you blink and go “where’s all these attacks coming from?”
Me the time when i got a Dex AC of 20. And the DM didn't know magic existed.
Then I ran so fast I ran though a room of cultists without being seen.
Because I was moving that fast.
Then i got one shot by the BBEG only to just decide dying is cringe and stand up with a nat20 on my death save.
Later I one-shot said BBEG.
With a critical backpack.
@@memes_the_dna_of_the_soul5487 Gotta scoop his remains into the backpack for a trophy after that victory
@@memes_the_dna_of_the_soul5487 ??? dex does not affect speed in any way.
@@pancreasnowork9939 it was even better because in the first combat of the campaign my gm said he was uncomfortable calling what my character did with his fists “armor piercing”
Would be interesting to see a Gotrek model released for the new Squats army. No explanation, just there he is, because of course he’s still alive.
Gotrek in AoS had a GODBEAST nope out of fighting him - of course he can take out a Primarch.
I like the fact they got Brian Blessed to voice Gotrek in the audio book and it fit's so well that's how you know Gotrek's a badass!
Well it's one of the cases where I completely disagree with the casting choice bug enjoy it immensely nonetheless.
@@azertyqwerty8398 Wait why? If you don't mind me asking?
@@oligb1469 I always pictured Gotrek as more guilt-ridden and slightly bitter with moments of true friendship with Felix occasionally shining through.
BRIAN BLESSED's bombastic performance feels a little too hammy for my headcannon, but that doesn't mean it isn't extremely enjoyable.
@@azertyqwerty8398 Yeah I can see that I thought more of the two of them have done some weird sh*t so thought it would make sense but gotta admit he does ham it up
I like BB but Jonathan Keeble is the best Gotrek
Snorri's chandelier kill assist is probably his most badass.
Best makeshift vampire staking ever written.
"you dropped a chandelier on him."
Should there be a Warhammer Fantasy Waifu tier list, Ulrika would be high up there in the S rank.
"Hmmm. She smells of death."
Ulrika became vampire that would eat your blood before fucking you. And still likely wouldn't fuck you.
Before or after becoming a bloodsucker?
Just any scene with Thanquol is comedy gold
Yes nothing beats Thanquol spotting the blond fured man-thing or the red fured dwarf-thing and going full panic mode
@@Alex-xt1rr Has a stroke and heart attack at the same time.
@@changelingman9687 well good for him he always had his emergency warpstone dust at hand while screaming "Treason!".
One of my favorite moments in the series was in Orc Slayer, when they had to mine into a dwarf hold. I dunno, just Gotrek dual wielding pick axes “dig diggy hole”.
Also some warp crusted ancient skaven hearing about a red head dwarf with a big axe has been my favorite part of AoS
"Felix...?" The great slayer says confused,hoping aganst hope. The stormcast removed his helm. Felix was silent. Tears began welling up in the dwarf.
"Damm bastard...where the hell were ye!?"
"Ive been busy. Sorry for being late Gotrek. You coming?"
"Damm fuckin right i am! You made an oath! You being some fancy bloke aint changing that!"
Felix sighed. "Well? Shall we? Your dooms not waiting itself."
"Aye!"
The 2 heroes united once again. And perhaps chaos got scared as...well.
Where gotrek and felix go,chaos ensues and not the good way for chaos.
On the topic of Malakai Makaisson. He made a tank I forgot its name, but it's Makaisson, take a guess what happened. He built an Ironclad called "Unsinkable" It sunk. He wanted to name "the spirit of Grugni" something similar. But everyone else went, "no, no no no no, name it something else, please, for our sake."
Undestructible II I believe.
And that ship lasted 4 book appearances and a 20 year time skip before going up in smoke
@@Dmgladiator2642 That one was not his fault.
I would like to point out that TECHNICALLY Snorri did win one big battle and it was in one of the most pivitoal books. He also did it so damn funny that I was completely caught off guard.
IIIIIIIIIIIII WANT TO SWINNNNNNNNG....
"Snorri looked pleased."
@@thehermitman822 underrated comment.
"together they wander the old world looking for things to kill gotrek"
i just need to stop to appreciate this beautiful line right here. shit belongs in a museum
The Sunless Sea background music fits so well with Gotrek and Felix.
That got me thinking about golemussy
Was about to point that out too, haha
the music is from Age of Mythology
@@daviddestin1990 At 6:08 it starts the background music of Wolfstack Docks from sunless sea. Though it is not labeled in the description with the other soundtracks but he does use the Wolfstack Docks theme quite often in his other videos.
There is only one book dealing with the Skaven trying to conquer Nuln. It is the aptly named skavenslayer. Your confusion about the 3 books may stem from the fact the original troll slayer and skavenslayer books are collections of previously published short stories, so each “chapter” is actually a different short story
IM FIRST
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I’m 6th
10:37 People tend to forget that Krilin is arguably the strongest human in the series.
That's why I don't get the Saitama hate. He is just a human who happens to be a hero for fun.
Hell, even Yamacha is up there, yet everyone shits on him.
@@spottedslash4256 All thanks to "haha funny crater pose" moment despite him having to face against a genetically enhanced freak made for war and his ability to make living bombs. Though importantly he came back to life later while Nappa didn't, so he got to get even stronger (And was still strong enough to beat kid Goku really easily back in Dragon Ball before they decided to make friends)
@@Trynt33 To be fair he doesn't have much feats. He could held his own against a Cell Junior which is roughly about as strong as a Super Saiyan or a Goku with Kaioken 8x.
I was just looking for something to put in the background while painting and you delivered most excellently. I love this series and your content and a happier union is unthinkable to me.
Same I love to listen to these videos whilst playing games like total war where there is a lot of downtime between battles and helps to keep me calm with the comedy.
The Power of Prophesy!! 18:30
17:00 this aged very well :)
My heart has Snorri’s name carved onto it
I can say this is without a doubt of (some) of the best Dark fantasy written. I read all the books and I have to say they really make Felix believed and he comes off very senseable and really draws you in. I think the books are FAR better than the 40k stuff.
I've read the 1st 12 Slayer books 5 times. I felt like the story was just getting started by Zombie Slayer and needed at least another 6 books.
I heavily recommend the audio books sadly only up to vampire slayer, the voice actor does them all justice especially the skaven you won't be disappointed.
Where can I get them?
@@alialnuami8283 Audible is what i use
Just finished orcslayer that just released. Keeble is an amazing narrator. Turned a pretty good book into an amazing one. Dwarven Indiana Jones 🤣
Gotrik and Felix were what got me into Warhammer Fantasy, I found a book called Troll Slayer and haven’t looked back since
And they are the reason I sought out more WH fantasy books.
Pancreas: Don't look up anything about Ulrika if you don't want MASSIVE spoilers.
Me: Ulrika... where have I heard that name?
*opens up late-game Kislev save in WH3*
Me: Ahh... Sigmar damn it...
I do like seeing felix go from: "Oh god we're gonna die!" To, "oh, here we go again."
One has to admire Felix for his dedication to a word given in a drunken stupor to a guy slaughtering a bunch of Empiral Knights.
"We have an army."
"Oh really? We have a Gotrek."
"Wait Gotrek! They have an Army!"
"Good. I need to work up a thirst, come along Manling."
"Snorri is coming too, can't let Gotrek die without buying me that ale he owes me."
*Trio bumbles off and promptly lays into what was an army*
*awed Imperial silence*
Spoiler for AoS.
During the End Times Grimnir made Gotrek a Dwaven God of vengence and tasked him with fighting an endless tide of daemons.
Then he got spit out in the Mortal Realm where he met Fyreslayers then he took a Fyreslayer Great Axe that kills every duradin who touches it.
Then he bit of part of the nose of a Runeson when got in his face.
Then he pressed a Fyreslayer Ur-Gold masterrune in his chest wich lets him go Rage god mode with golden Skin and burning beard.
He is accompanied by a Daughter of Khaine who was tasked to steal said rune and now reluctantly follows Gotrek in hopes that when he dies she can retrieve it (ain´t gonna happen).
Nice summary, except that he first bit nose off from Runeson, then got prisoned and after getting free he then took the great axe.
Ok, now I NEED a story where Gotrek meets and fights Tuska demon killer.
They’d probably just team up and take on daemons together. Probably pick up Draigo and maybe Corvus or Russ while they’re there.
Can’t wait for the 69K special! I wonder what he will be forced to ingest then.
*g o d c o m m e n t s e c t i o n p l e a s e d o n t s a y i t f o r o u r s a n i t y*
I can only...I'm gonna stop imagining now.
If you are looking for more books like Gotrek and Felix, then you might like Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser by Frank Leiber
People have called my D&D builds OP then I proved them wrong by making an actual OP D&D character who treats ancient dragons like a mild inconvenience before level 10.
I can only imagine the sheer eye rolling the other players give you. "woow thats... really impressive dude totally not bored out of my mind right now *goes back to phone*"
@@joedatiusWhich is why I don’t play optimized characters anymore.
Hey Mr.PancreasNoWork, as a Khorne loving glue sniffer of the "Angron isn't that bad" variety.
I am wondering what that Karl Franz guy is about and why you keep saying he's the best emperror.
Any chance you make a video about him at some point in the future so I may gain enough IQ to not like Khorne anymore?
Embrace the true gigachad war gods of warhammer, gork and mork to get unlimited bullshit powers.
I assure you the Prince and Emperor will be getting his own video.
@@pancreasnowork9939 assumedly once you're done spreading patriotism and love to the world starting on the 23rd?
@@pancreasnowork9939 Thanks for keeping your priorities straight.
"Or a phone company."
Oh boy, Pancreas is getting into BattleTech? Always figured he was a ComStar plant.
Who is going to tell him about malakai?
you said something about how we shouldn't look up Ulrika due to most images about her are softcore, which naturally caused me to go and look it up. only thing I found was a 40k version of her model, her model, and official book art, nothing else. not even deviantart or rule34 has anything.
I found a few on deviantart
how about that Mummy Queen
@rr ww Not a single one. In any way, believe me, I really tried to find art of the Tomb Queen.
The thirsting of Zabbia for Felix in “Serpent Queen” is absolutely hilarious, especially given her “situation”. And on the topic of horny Tomb Queens, and this might just be me, but regardless, I swear that Khalida had similar thoughts as her, but unlike her herald, Khalida had an actual filter whenever she spoke or thought.
Also you forgot to add two other characters to the main secondary characters…
The first is Kat aka Katerina aka Felix’s future wife who wanted to go adventuring with Felix and Gotrek but Felix said no for obvious reasons. She actually saved Felix when they first met from a Khorne follower.
The other being Otto Jaeger, the brother of Felix who got letters from Felix to “hold on to” until Felix returned to publish as a book, but in stead published them as a incredibly successful books series called “My Travels with Gotrek” mostly due to the sheer unbelievability of what they went through that (I think) it was believed that Felix was just making stuff up and *no one* thought it was actually true in the slightest.
I don’t think he should have come back in AOS, it makes his sacrifice meaningless. Also if Oxyolt can survive a couple thousand years in the warp I think Gotrek can survive the amount he did
Not really considering his goal is now to kill Nagash for being Nagash, and punch Grimnir in the face for lying to him. And because he has such a no fucks given attitude that leads to piles of dead monstera, cults everywhere spring up worshipping him as Grimnir reborn.
@@Lightscribe225 but his story was to hold back the warp and be a Doomslayer. He shouldn’t come back from chaos, it’s like abandoning his duty
@@steffanyschwartz7801 Again not really. He's still fighting Chaos. But now he can also kill gobbos and elves as a change of pace.
@@Lightscribe225 there are literally books about killing those things are you making a joke?
@@joedatius No, I mean after being stuck killing daemons for however much time has passed in the totally-not-just-the-Warp, he can add some variety back to his kill list.
Malkaison is a legendary lord now! You called it
Throughout the entire video all I was thinking was; "You forgot Thanquol, you forgot Thanquol, you forgot- FINALLY".
This is my go to book series if i want to immerse myself into the Old World
Aye manling.
There is a very good reason why none of Thanquols endeavours come to fruition. Despite him being a certified genius tactician, a true master of various branches of magics & the only Grey Seer given enough cred to openly insult the Great Horned One directly to the council themselves, he fails every time. Why would that be? Well...
"The best laid plans of mice & men often go awry" - therefore the best laid plans of an actual rat-man will always fail. Warhammer logic.
Could Gotrek could have killed Archaon and stopped the End Times?
Probably not given Archaons about as broken as they come, but he definitely would have felt that one afterwards.
It would've been renamed to "The Eternal Stalemate" because Archaon has too much plot armor to be allowed to do anything that even vaguely resembles losing beyond having his ass handed to him by Grimgor.
@@discountplaguedoctor88 The battle of the plot armours!
Games Workshop wanted the end times bad so probably not. That being said they did a round of play testing where they showed off Gotrek’s rules and had him fight Archaon as well as some others.
I think Archaon delivered 3 wounds (2 of which were Gotrek’s own wounds wind reflected back at him) whereupon Gotrek killed him in a single round of combat. So in fantasy, not sure who would win. In AoS? Archaon’s getting his shit rocked.
@@emetanti He isn't though. Archaon had absurd plot armour because GW wanted him to be a threat but he's not that strong in terms of what his actual achievements are.
These were some of the best novels I've ever read, nevermind just in the Fantasy universe. Just outright belly laughs. Everything about Warhammer Fantasy was wonderful, but these novels hold a loving place in my heart. They did so many good things for the world lol
Honestly I got into warhammer through 40k, but I think I’ve ended up appreciating warhammer fantasy a lot more thanks to your videos. Now I’ve got a book series I wanna read so thanks for that.
Awesome to see that we'll be getting Malakai Makaison in TWW3 in the next few weeks
I started reading it a week ago that’s a coincidence…
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One thing I love about Malikai is that he took the Slayer Oath so he could keep making stuff.
Ulricussy had me rolling
There is simply no way that Sigmar overlooks Felix's soul. Felix is a mightier warrior than probably any other human (bar Karl Franz) of his era. If it's ok for Stormcast Eternals to be a thing, then it makes sense for Felix to come to AOS.
Gotrek vs any primarch would be a very good fight
Gotrek vs Leman Russ would be a drinking match where they both end up black out drunk and crying about how grimdark warhammer is before getting in a fist fight while declaring eachother blood brothers and then passing out.
Which one would he headbutt compete with?
In bloodbowl short stories they pop up and help a coach get his murdered player back to the arena wrapped up in a carpet. They don’t know there’s a dead guy in there until he starts leaking out
wait the fact that grimnir was "grooming gotrek" is supposed to be a spoiler? isn't it obvious from at least the time they returned from chaos wastes on the flying ship?
its the grimnirs axe and everyone keeps saying that axe is somehow changing gotrek
It's a really good hint the power of the axe when Gotrek finds it but Max's description of both G & F after a 20 yr gap in seeing them makes it perdy clear.
AOS Spoilers
I love that once Gotrek arrived in the old world he went to Hammerhal to reunite with Felix because he was sure that he would be selected to become a Stormcast (judgng by their reputation), until the end of the book where a Stormcast battlesmith scoffed at the idea of a poet being selected by Sigmar, which led to Gotrek roasting the shit out of him and then coming to the conclusion that Felix was obviously not there since there wasnt a single Stormcast worthy enough to polish his mail, so he went to look for him elsewhere
I keep coming back to this vid each day and today it's really paid off with spoiler info.
I love that scene. Almost heartwarming.
Gotrek:
"He slew a Chaos Dragon, storysmith. Have you ever done that? He followed me to the darkest places of the Old World, all the way to the Chaos Wastes, and back, all on the strength of his word alone!
Twenty years, we traveled the world, before I released him from his oath so that he might go home and be wed! And even then, he managed to be there beside me at the very end! If there's a hero amongst the Stormcast Eternals worthy of even polishing the manling's mail, then I'll cut an inch off my beard! You, storysmith, aren't yet worthy to speak his name - not until you've notched your blade on a Chaos Lord or ten!"
All that voiced by the great Brian Blessed.
Who else could be Warhammer Fantasy's/AoS' Doom Slayer if not Gotrek Gurnisson?
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*Implying women aren't humans
Never change mister PNW!
Poor Snorri
I just found your channel and I am loving it so much. I cannot wait for your video on the "Greatest Gray Seerer who has ever been." ;)
Malakai is no dwarf. Malakai is a Khorne damn stunt. With weapons and tech like that? I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled a multimelta out of nowhere.
Gotrex finding Felix is perhaps the only thing that may warm me to AoS after the BS that was the end times...