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Hobie Kayak Will It Surf? 1st Trial in the surf
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- Опубліковано 16 гру 2020
- 1st trail in the Hobie Revo 16 and 13 to see how that handle the surf..messy surf but good chance to answer a few questions before rigging it up for some pelagic fishing sessions - part 2 coming shortly
Great vid as always Paddle Guy! Your explanations are always so practical & helpful. The lines of the Hobie really seem to assist in the surf, surprising how well they go! 👏🤙✌
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Thank you 🙏 so much! I’ve been trying to learn how to have better control over my Revo. That’s so awesome!
welcome - practice practise
I just sold my pro angler 14 and this video just sums it up. I wanted a outback for offshore, but I think I might be getting a revolution 13 after all.
Thanks for your Hobie clip. I just bought a Hobie Adventure 16 (the same hull as the Revo). Took it out yesterday for the first time. Took a few attempts at Noosa river bar just to feel how the hull performs. But your videos are very helpful and even more so now that you are uploading Hobie ones. I'm not a kayaker, surfer of 30 years but this kayak fishing is fun. Thank you for the footage 🙏🙏🙏
your welcome. should get yourself a little kayak for playing in the surf, you will love it and learn a heap that can still be transferred tp the pedal kayak which is very very different in surf if just using pedals and no paddle
@@PaddleGuy1 If only I was single with no kids😂
I'm already walking on thin ice stealing a few hours almost every second day. I also bought a second hand double to keep the family happy and interested
Mr paddle guy, love the video. I have a tupperware yak and you have given me confidence that it can make it in the surf with some good technique. Most of the blokes I paddle with have stealth yaks or similar so they are weary of me hitting the surf launch in my Pescador.
Great info bro. 👍
keep in mind the hobie 16 has a dagger board slot, though intended for sailing it can be used for adding instant primary and lateral stability when at rest or ploughing through extreme messy conditions which are tossing you side to side. Insert or remove(less drag) as required. Dont need full cumbersome OEM board, can either cut it down or make a DIY. It can also slow you down in a side drift without a chute getting in the way
Good video my friend!!, aprendo mucho de tu técnica para manejar el kayak!!, hermosas imágenes de Australia!! I'm your number 1 fan in Argentina, greetings.
Thanks buddy 👌
Thanks Paddle Guy
I really want to learn how to surf with kayak from you
Thanks
happy to help - where do you live and what kayak are you currently using?
Hi, would you please recommend good paddle. The stock Hobie paddle isn’t the greatest and I would like to buy something better for surf launching and landings. Thank you
Even at such a long length, the Hobies just look like they would wear you out trying to get out past the breakers. I'm honestly surprised it didn't pitch pole on you considering they have virtually no rocker in the bow and are so heavy. Think I'll stick with my Viking Reload hahaha.
Avoided the pitch pole by side bracing, they certainly were not designed to be paddled thats for sure, in the next vid when I add the drive to the mix it all makes alot more sense as far as efficiency through the surf break..reload still has many more positives but the Revo 16 speed when the turbo fins are cranking is 2nd to none for chasing tuna schools .
@@PaddleGuy1 Yeah that's the only drawback for me in the Reload is the ability to troll at fast speeds and work on changing lures and tying knots and such while moving into the fishing spot. I just feel far safer in the Reload though after paddling a Pro Angler. The PA just didn't respond well to lateral waves at all. I also like that the Reload has excellent responsive rudder control in the surf too.
@@AlanHowellphotovideo PA is def a pig in that environment. Its all about compromises with every kayak I have used. Revo hands free and fast but terrible tackle managment and certainly cant relax in all conditions like in the reload. The more hulls I try the more I find there are some solid fundamentals and diversity in ability of that yak that are often lacking in others.
@@PaddleGuy1 have you noticed any improvement in the Hobie hatches? In a worst-case scenario in the Reload, say going from a fairly cold morning to a hot afternoon paddle, I only noticed just a few drops of water at most in the Reload's sealed hatches. But in the Hobies, in all the models I paddled, I was stunned at how much water had leaked in, especially if water came over the bow. I would never place gear directly in the hatch without a drybag in the Hobie that I didn't want to get wet. I thought that the HDPE of the Hobie would hold up a little better than the MDPE for the hatches but it didn't seem to help. I know the MDPE has a higher stress cracking resistance than HDPE but apparently, it must help from the tiny amount of flex with the boat hull, IDK? Honestly, I can't believe Hobie hasn't fixed the leaking issues yet...at least since I paddled one last in 2018. Maybe the new Revo now has upgraded hatches than the PA?
@@AlanHowellphotovideo nope same issue - was also very surprised given this particular model is used on the AI for sailing. All hatches on these need extra waterproofing aftermarket - but worth noting that most other brands are the same, Reload is the only one I have found to be truly water tight ex factory and not requiring any extra sealing other then in the tackle pod but thats not an integral part.
Great videos...thank you. so many great things in your video to know before attempting to ocean launch. I've never launched yet through the surf. i need to learn everything . Do you recommend practicing launch and landing many times with the kayak stripped down ?
I have a 2015 Hobie Outback , Its super stable , but not as pointy as the Revo. When do you engage the peddle drive and use the rudder during the launch , or just use the paddles. How do i practice the broach. Do i use the paddles as a rudder on re-entry. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated.
check this launch as it will answer a few of your questions - but yes def practise without gear as long as you can till your are comfortable - and practise the broach just like in the video you watched
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I purchased the thick foam cushion for my Profish GT. Surprising how even a small increase in seat height makes you feel less stable. However it is a lot more comfortable.
Agreed - you should feel how different the reload is with that double cushion compared to the single!
@@PaddleGuy1 GT is fine for stability with the thick cushion. I just drop it on top of the standard Viking seat. I have a bit of arthritis and the cushion makes it a more pleasant experience.
Have a revo 16, and also an older adventure 16, the adventure i converted to paddle only bare bones rec boat with no seat or fittings and fitted central foot brace rather trying to brace feet against sides. You would be surprised just how well they can paddle, just as fast as a prowler or reload, if not more so as they are narrower. You just got to be able to paddle without depending on a rudder. hobies are not however designed for spending too much time in the surf.
There is a way to stow the drive on the front deck to keep it out of the way when you are paddling, as it just creates drag if if your paddling or surfing with it in place
I think the revo with older seat would make that alot easier then this one. Can certainly see how with thigh braces (which I use alot) it would respond well to edging and railing for turning so rudder not as essential. I also agree that they def were not designed with surf launches as a focus, too many expensive parts to lose or break for one thing ! Thanks for the comment - would love to find out more about the process of stowing the drive on the bow, for now I just strap under the bungy behind me
@@PaddleGuy1 One fin tucked under front hatch strap, other fin can overhang to side, or even better a dedicated bungie across deck before hatch (makes it easier to insert blade) End of hub shaft slotted into corner recess of hatch, Short bungie with clip connected to a padeye swapped out for mast cleat and another padeye attached on bulkhead (having 2 attachment points for this bungie holds it in place better than one. This wraps around pedal shafts stops the whole lot from moving. Simply unclip and pull drive from storage to reinsert in drivewell
The drive can stay leashed the whole time so no risk of dropping overboard when moving from tankwell
For thigh straps i just use standard cam straps running from front tankwell padeye to padeye in front of side pocket. Dont need chafe padding as i always wear pants, so no bulk. When not in use pull tight and they are out of the way running down side of seat
On my older paddle adapted boat dont even use the seat, just sat in the well like a ski.
Even fitted 2 mini skegs to each side of keel with 3M adhesive foam pads which help with tracking when paddling with rudder up. They are up tucked at side of the bottom so you can still drag the boat without ripping them off
A bit of bungie wedged under steering handle can help you lock it straight like a skeg if you drop rudder, and you can still give it a nudge if you need.
Fashion a removeable foot rest bar across the footwell for better leg drive if you want to do some serious paddling, using side scallops is like gripping the sides of a bath tub
In training I was getting close to 8.5kmh out and back over 13km course in the older paddle adapted boat.. So they can shift. Couldnt do that when pedalling. Pedals come into their own as the boat gets heavier when fully loaded with gear.
Without a drive installed hobies give a huge amount space for landing your catch in, feel like tinnies.
Nice, looks like fun! Revo guy here also and haven’t gotten to try this yet.
Maybe it wouldnt matter much but im curious, why didn’t you guys use the plug in cassette in the drive well?
Main reason is that all the water would sit in the cockpit as the drainage is terrible, meaning more weight and make it less stable with water sloshing around.
Ahh got cha, makes sense
I have to admit, the Hobies did way better than I would have expected!🎣😃
I was just waiting for that thing to go ass over tip at any minute when coming back in lol. They are just way too heavy and cumbersome for consistent surf.
@@AlanHowellphotovideo hey mate - your mistaking the Revo's for the clumbsy Pro Angler and Outback...these 2 are actually lighter then the Reload and more agile then you think. Revo 16 certainly has no rocker so there are waves that its not suited to, I can usually avoid the pitch pole by simply bracing and coming in sideways.
Yeh they went all-right in what was some very messy conditions. Revo 13 was a little more agile thats for sure
@@PaddleGuy1 I’ve been fishing out of a Revo 13 for several years and recently purchased a Stealth Fisha 555. Needless to say the Stealth is definitely the go to boat for adventures involving surf launches!🎣😃
@@losthorizonfishing107 thats good compromise I think a kayak for each specific purpose is a great idea of one can afford and has the storage space because each has its own strengths. Given this footage was taken well over a year ago and I have spent more time in the revo since, for me the revo 16 is great for days i need to give my shoulder a break and want to be hands free chasing tuna (combination of sleek hull, turbo fins and using legs over upper body means its faster then any other fishing yak out there on the water including the stealths so am a sure thing to get to the bust up before all others 😁) but there is far too much expensive fragile components on that to be taking it through surf regularly
Hi Jason, thank you for the Hobie Revo 13 surf test/review.
We need more people like the paddle guy in our world.
Kindest regards
Lpp
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Broaching in the hobbies is easy without the peddles.. Do it with the peddles in.. its a bit harder Same with surfing them. The point of these kayaks is the peddles, taking them out just becomes a quest.
Thanks Alisha and I agree but to familiarise myself with the hull and stability etc the point is to make it as familiar as a paddler is used to first...this is how I learn to manage new kayaks in the surf, pedals can and were added in future sessions - these pedals are expensive when they break so taking them out in the surf zone is the most common sense thing to do if you feel you're at risk of damaging them going out and coming in...if you're going to do that then you want to make sure you know how to handle it without pedals. pretty sure you understand that given you owned one and had your fair share of swims in the surf zone
One day saw a guy flip in the surf and lose his revo drive. He and his buddys spent 20 minutes walking back and forth in the surf. When I heard them yelling triumphantly I knew the had found it. Saved from an expensive loss. 😎
If I wanted to practise in the surf with the Reload would it be ok to leave out the Tackle pod, a bit like the Hobie without the drive possibly?
Graeme
Absolutely, just note the advantage of leaving it in is that it takes up a bigger area in the cockpit which stops all that water pooling and slowing you down on the way out- when its not in thats a big area to hold alot of water that needs to drain fast. Using the Kid pod basically did the same as if I would have plugged up the mirage drive except the reload drainage is better. Better to either seal your pod, cover the sounder cables and leave the pod in
@@PaddleGuy1 Thanks Jason, food for thought, think I'll look for a kid pod
Thanx Jason. I noticed water gushing up thru the peddle slot, was this a problem?
Prob created plenty of drag but plugging up the drive hole was not an option as the drainage in these is so slow meaning we would just end up with a cockpit full of water all the time which both ads weight and makes the kayak less stable with water sloshing around
@@PaddleGuy1 just part of the compromises that we all make. Large cockpits for gear can turn your yak into a bucket! Stealth and others minimise the open space by using hatches which can be a pain when you need to access some gear. All good fun!
@@bobclark4994 yep agreed - all come with some compromise - that stealth hatch would take some getting used to, was not a fan after years of luxury in the organised Tackle Pod of the reload.
@@PaddleGuy1 I have a Perception Pilot and a Stealth 555. The Pilot is like sitting in a comfy chair at home with all the knick knacks well at hand, while the Stealth is a battle to find deck space for ready use gear. Even so, I usually prefer to use the Stealth although I am jealous of the ability of plastic boats to deal with rocks etc. 😉
The Hobie Revo is one of the worst handling surf kayaks I have ever been in. It is almost impossible to keep it straight, it is extremely slow, and the hatches leak like crazy. Although you try to make this vid positive, you can see the kayak get turned sideways or backed up constantly, and this is pretty small surf. You also never show if it took on water. Those boats suck.