This video has helped me greatly. I'm still living in my family home for now. My room is right above the living room, and even when I'm just asking Google Assistant something, my mother thinks I have the TV blasting when my volume is actually only at 20%. Be moving out next year, to a 1st floor apartment, where my sub hopefully won't be that huge of a problem. I gotta have my deadmau5!
Deadmau5 will almost always be a problem! Talk to your apartment manager, some are smart enough to put their audio people next to each other. Some enjoy it themselves. You might inquire if they group music lovers together. I wouldn't ask which would be the best place to crank your system. How you word things can impact how you might be treated. Good luck, and know that you may have to resort to headphones to be a good neighbor. Hopefully you get a place with thick walls, and you can enjoy your music!
I'm an installer and always go the decoupling route in a townhouse or apt...I don't turn down, never really had to...my normal install includes 2 concrete pavers of the correct dimensions ( to match the sub) stacked, then a 4" thick cork base on top of the concrete, then black cloth covering entire base, then the sub, rock on, no complaints. I've also had great results with high density memory foam.
I love my bass love to feel the bass but I understand some people can't have that so here are some of my tips. One Buy some insulating foam pads and put it on the walls majority of the sound comes from the walls. Walls in most places are just drywall with then installation inside witch is okay to block most sounds but not low frequency sounds also if your condo or apartment as wood or tile floors buy a nice think area rug and place your sub on top it will also help dampen the sound. Two most receivers or amplifiers have a setting called night mode witch keeps everything the same but cuts down on the low frequency sounds so an explosion say would be still loud but not like wall shaking loud. Three this applies if you got an active sub it depends but most have Volume Phase nobs on the back try messing with those also on your Receiver dial it in too your liking do not so loud. Four invest in some high quality surround sound headphones most Receivers or at least the good ones have an headphone out jack you could enjoy your surround sound threw your headphones and no one would hear anything but yourself. Five blast your content when you know your neighbours are not around if there not there they can't complain can they.
Good video I’m running two subs I live in a condo apartment I’ve had no issues for disturbing anyone I have everything calabrated and a tactile transducer sends the low response through the couch and that helps when my subs are more leveled .
I avoided the subwoofer complaints and invested in good headphones. I wear them every time I'm gaming or want to crank the sound up for my favorite movies. It's it the same I know but it keeps everyone happy. Myself included! I love the idea of running two subs. My next surround sound setup I'll go for it.
I’ve always lived in apartments. I run my reference bookshelf speakers full range and use a subwoofer that isn’t a true sub. I’m not really looking for sub bass frequencies as much as I am reinforcement of the mains in regards to low frequency information from the LFE channel. My subwoofer may barely be turned up, but it makes the movie sound full when necessary. I also have night mode turned on so it compresses the lows and boosts the highs. I enjoy movies just the same because my receiver has a great processor and I get all the channel separation. It sounds 100 times better than TV speakers or simply two channel stereo with no discrete channels or low-frequency LFG information of any kind.
...at low volumes, my kef reference bookshelf speakers and 10” sub reproduce sound very accurately. I’m one who has always liked the subtle sounds in a film that adds spaciousness and detail. To hear the music score and identify instruments clearly, with out distortion or muddiness, or thunderstorms, rain, voices and silverware in a diner is all very enjoyable. I like that overall more so than how loud a chaotic scene is in a film. This parts in a movie are far and few between compared to the latter. For me it’s all about accurate, full sound that envelops me than how loud it plays. I don’t get complaints at all
If I play even a tiny bluetooth speaker at mid low volume my neighbor upstairs has a conniption fit. If I used actual speakers and subs the cops would be here so fast 😂
I have a very old flagship reciver (pre HDMI era) and it has a Midnight mode, I don't know if any newer reciveres have it. It seems to do a good job of compressing the dynamic range to make it better for midnight or when your neighbours are home
NEIGHBOUR PACEMAKER yes that's what I called it! after trying several subwoofers out where I could play it at a satisfactory sound and it wouldn't annoy my lovely neighbours! People underestimate the difference between a mediocre sub and a high-performance sub, ever since I purchased a high performance subwoofer I don't get any complaints anymore If you enjoy your music just as much as movies but worry about your neighbours may I suggest looking into the RELL Ti series With the REL Ti series, the driver's move so fast that rel recommends as well as the low-level input, you also so connect the high level input, which entails connecting a extra cable from the subwoofer to the stereo speaker binding posts! OMG I didn't know music could sound this good especially coming through budget stereo speakers, the upgraded Sonic performance in the room is really astonishing and the best part about it, is even after asking my neighbours for feedback they say they can't even hear it! Lol
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I lived in an apartment for over a decade with a pretty decent sound system. Did get the cops called on me once but my neighbor was going a little crazy at that stage. By the end of my time there she was losing her hearing and never complained. It's nice having a house now though!
Christ you're self entitled aren't you. If you live in apartments you dont use your bass speakers. Your enjoyment of bass doesn't prioritise over everyone's peace and quiet. It's really Simple... But I suppose you're the type of kid who drives your neighbours to the point of kicking your head off your shoulders then pressing charges and acting as if your neighbours acted irrationaly.
@@markroyds23 My thoughts exactly on both this video and basically everyone in the comments. "BaSs DeFiNeS yOuR HoMe ThEaTeR". I'm just here because I googled how many people think it's actually okay to have a subwoofer in an apartment since I've got one of those geniuses above me.
@@markroyds23 Hi there just bought a woofer and then suddendly saw people in the neighbours whatsapp group complaining and wondering about the shaking rumbles lol. Told them it was me and one girl asked me to invite her lol. It's a pity I won't be able to enjoy this stuff the way it's supposed to. Can't wait to gtfo this country and live in a proper home!
@@consistency3d90 Same here.. I'm going insane with my neighbor.. they are complete dicks. I love sound/bass but the second I moved into a condo from my house.. my subwoofer is gone. The assholes next to me are something else..
Great video! I wanted to mention as well, the volume knob is not a gain knob. The gain controls how loud the input is and the volume controls how loud the output is. Similar concepts but different as well. I don't mean to be a D either with the correction, I just wanted to add some clarity.
@@Subwoofer101 hey 101 I'm in an apartment with concrete floors walls ceilings etc... And a bunch of old people that like the music I play which is awesome lol. Anyway I don't know anything about amps receivers and what not. Just a sound bar guy which is plenty for my apartment. Just got the Bose 700 with bass module 700. Sounds great. The sub fires up and with music the bass is pretty much non-existent unless I really crank the volume up way too high. My JBL BAR 3.1 is down firing. What's the difference between up firing and down firing other than the obvious? Bose uses the Bose Music app to control all the sound options (bass, treble, center channel) for the sound bar. Then there is the "speaker volume" for the woofer separately. For music when I turnthe bass volume up on the sound bar and the subwoofer I get decent bass for music and a relatively lower volume that isn't ear piercing. Anyway they both rattle these walls and my door especially during movies with those really super low lows or whatever. I also have my subwoofer placed on the carpet. IDK if that matters or if I should have it on a harder flat surface? Sorry for long comment.... I just really liked the JBL sub for music and movies but the bar sound had zero mid-range to it lol. I love my music :) \m/
In an apparent it’s a down firing sub just flip it upside down so the sub is on top and place a folded towel on the sub speaker to keep the dust away. I have sensitive neighbors and since I did that I’ve had no problems.
thanks for sharing. im in a trailer park and im in the middle of sound proofing my home. this will help until im done. apparently trailers are conduits and the bass travels in the ground. cant here it outside but if you walk into my neighbors trailer you can hear it like its playing in their home. nuts right?
manonfireb4u2 it’s because outside there is no resonant chamber (AKA a drum) to capture and resonate the sound. Depending on the frequency and distance to the neighbors trailer, they might as well be adjacent. Anywhere between 10-40 feet will be within the sub range moving it 5’ away will reduce upper subs, while moving 80’ away will cut it all in half at least
ok. the best $300 I ever spent on my home theater was bass shakers when u can't turn it up, that is the point of this great video. Bass shakers on with the other 7.1 all reasonable volume makes the difference for me. 1 bass shakers per recliner. everyone is happy. been there done that. no cops or upset neighbors. keep up the good work sir!
My 120hz is weak but I can get 80db peaks at 44 60 74 94 and 220 My listening room is quite small, think king size bed with room to hang your feet off, but it’s semi open only having 3 corners and 3 full walls. That being said the walls and floor are concrete; floor has shag carpet. the hanging ceiling panels are quite heavy also functional diffusers. The walls are lined with hoodies, there is a foam twin mattress behind the listening seat. 3 8in subs drive the bass. One directly ahead bottom ported, and two behind facing opposite side ported. Each about half their 100 watt amplitude with a front bias. The phase has been set to reduce 60hz response and the eq resolved the other room modes.
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I could be wrong here but I turn the frequency response up so I can run the gain a little higher before rumble. Also if you're listening to music at night try a pair of headphones. I actually like experiencing sound differently depending on the time.
Can you elaborate on turning the frequency response up? What specifically are you adjusting? And I agree, headphones definitely have their place, and at 1:00 a.m. in an apartment? That's definitely the right time and place.
Another tip is to reduce the walls' contribution to the bass. Vibrating walls make for vibrating neighbors. Be sure to place subwoofers at least 8 inches from any wall and avoid corners. This will also give you clearer bass and with less mud the need for higher volume is also reduced.
Audyssey XT32 set both my sb2000 at around 10Am for 75dB measured output before the begging of the calibration. After the calibration was done the AVR was also cutting the subs at around -10.5 dB. Seems radical but the overall bass response is amazing and sooo powerful. I m using them in an apartment, in a 270 ft^2 room.
Sounds about right. I'll say the 6200 is a slightly different animal than my previous Denon, and it must be the XT32. Little more oomph out of the sub outs.
What do you do if you use the foam, the cones, and have the only option of changing bass and treble? I have them each on unit 1. Neighbors aren’t happy :/
Careful of AVR sub trims. Majority of AVRs (even high-end pre/pros) can and will clip the sub volume above +0-2db. Having the gain on the sub low and pushing the trim up to like +6db isn't actually a good thing.
It's certainly not the ideal situation, and that's something to look out for. Usually amps clip at their limit, but I'll check it out next time I change the settings, see if I can get the subs to clip at low gain high AVR trim, or otherwise misbehave. I cranked it up to normal loud listening, which is around -18 to -14 or so, but didn't push them hard. Just sounded like softer bass, but hadn't thought to check for bad behavior.
Subwoofer 101 It's more about the output voltage from the sub pre-outs on many receivers. Yamaha for example, were once notorious for this behavior. Many at SVS (including Ed Mullen) actually suggests raising the gain on the sub itself and getting a low negative on the AVR's sub trim during calibration.
Yeah, I agree with that, I get the best dynamics that way. The whole point of this video was to go the opposite direction and remove dynamics. Bass is less impressive, softer, but still as deep. It's definitely a compromise.
You did mention LFC from Audyssey, which I do agree mostly saps out the low-end entirely. My opinion however is just to use the "volume normalization" feature that should be available on most (if not all) receivers out there today. Keeps volume linear, I think that's another good way to contain bass even if it's not ideal.
Are you talking about "Dynamic Volume"? It may not be a bad option for people to try out, but I'm not a fan of the setting. I find it fatiguing myself, but worth looking into. LFC seems to take out more bass than turning off the subwoofers. It filters it off pretty aggressively. I just posted a graph on Facebook. facebook.com/subwoofer101
I have vibration pads sitting under my sub in my condo. I also just got a second sub and because of space issues I bought the slim Dayton Audio 1000L sub laying flat down on the floor with my front firing stacked right on top of it. Both are 10' 100 watts.
very good topic! can you recommend any subwoofers that would be suitable for condos/apartments? my 30 year old Axiom AX120A 80W seems to have packed it in!
If you were living in a house and had no neighbors then you could have the subwoofers as loud as you want and even run as many subwoofers as you want and have the bass be as loud as you want and probably have the subwoofers at maximum power
You never want the subs all the way up. The goal of a sub is not to make bass louder it's to make the loudspeakers seem like they have more bass. If you can tell where the sub is coming from, it's too loud.
I just subscribed a few weeks ago because I wanted to get into SVS subs. Great, great channel, love it. I live in a condo and have for oh about 10 years. I have also been into home theater for almost 20 years. I have, for some odd reason never had a complaint from neighbors. Now my neighbors are pretty cool, I am lucky, but I do think they would complain if there was too much annoyance. I'm afraid to ask either neighbor if there is an issue, but really I should. I NEVER hear anything from either neighbor either so who knows. Well built condo or just quiet neighbors?
Oh I recently got an SVS PB-1000 and its FANTASTIC. Got it off the SVS Outlet and I can't find the scratches that were supposed to be on. I hope to get into a house within a year and then i can unleash my system and that beautiful PB-1000. I have Def Tech SM 65's main speakers, Def Tech SM 55's surrounds, and a CLR2000. Of course the PB-1000 also now.
Glad to have you as a subscriber! The Outlet is a pretty good way to get SVS products at a discount. It is nice to be able to rock the house, but even so I still need to be aware of the time. If I were to let it loose at 3 am, I know I'd get some complaints. But thankfully it's not as bad as I thought, but I understand the hesitation to ask.
Thanks, again love the channel. I'm only scared to ask because if they were to say yes it bothers us very, very much and is annoying, it would ruin my life because I love Home theater sound. It really would devastate me.
I see a rotating phase. Smaller sealed higher off the ground and isolation maxed... Then cardioid pairs. Inverted 180 then adjust like 60 degrees with every meter... Creates directional bass. If you can have larger spaces you can create a larger lobe where they meet at your sweet spot but cancel almost everywhere else.
Please help me out! We have a new PB1000 Pro sub for our acoustically treated theater room having dimensions of 16x12x9 (in feet). Ours is a independent house and not an apartment. By default, on the svs app, the sub volume is at -10. I have to set +4.5 on our new Denon AVR-X2700 to get it to the level to work in tandem with the KEF T series speakers. Please advise if I am missing anything?
Great topic. Nice vid and good recommendations. Another thing you can do you is add treatment below the sub to decouple it from the floor, which should really be done most times anyway if you can for a few reasons. Either a DIY job or something like an Auralex SubDude are affordable solutions. But that's for another video. ; )
Thanks! I did talk about the SVS Subwoofer Isolation System, which is similar in purpose to the Subdude. bit.ly/IsolationFeet (affiliate link) which I like because they are low visual impact (they look stock) and they are really flexible. I can grab the cabinet and really shake the sub around while the feet stay in place. With a wood floor I noticed a real improvement, both in sound quality and reduction of rattles. A video specific to that system is coming up. I wasn't able to find much information on the lower sub gain approach specifically. Kind of stumbled on to it when I didn't get enough dynamics out of the SB-2000's at 11 o'clock. At about 1 o'clock, the dynamics were much better.
firstly, sub position . Sit sub closer to you.. second Isolate the sub from the room. Then fill the room with as much mass on all doors, windows and any floating floors ect. Install as many Bass traps as you can. I would use a spectrum analyzer on my mobile to find what frequencies are getting out of your house and just notch filter them out a bit.. If they still complain, you just need to turn it down.. failing that, Move or force you neighbor to wear ear muffs..
I used a 24 muffin pan with 24 squash balls and set my Klipsch 12 inch subwoofer on top of the balls and it isolated the bass from the floor and sounds great.
I wonder if taking a few out would help? I would think that they would be "over sprung" with that many. In my opinion, it's ideal when there is a good amount of give. The way I look at it is like 1 ton springs on Tacoma or a Ranger, no give at all. If a single ball at each corner would do the trick, seems like that would be ideal. If they are compressed, add until they aren't. Just something to try. If you try it, let me know what you think.
@@Subwoofer101 Plenty of "spring" in my setup because my Klipsch RW-12D subwoofer is really heavy and the bass can hardly be heard in a bedroom 20ft away. Bass is tight deep and punchy. Works like a charm.
Wich (sole?) Subwoofer do you recommend for the DenonM40? Budget: 50-150€(60-175$) I also would like to change the standard speakers for something else next year. Budget: 300€ (350$) Btw i prefer good second hand speakers.
Gotta go duals: ua-cam.com/video/aQz0VbueIEE/v-deo.html These are the subs I can get behind. If you can find these used, it would be a good way to go. Matched pairs are best. Sadly, good bass is not cheap. www.subwoofer101.com/best-subwoofers/
How about placing the sub as close to the listening position as possible, perhaps within an inch of touching the back of the chair or couch? It seems like one could keep the volume low enough that it won't bleed thru walls but still give a seated listener the full impact. Has anyone tried this?
You're talking about near field placement, and yes it is a good way to go, as you can reduce the gain a bit. I still recommend two subs in order to hear all of the bass and avoid inadvertently boosting dead spots in the response, which your neighbors would hear when you can't. If you had a dead spot at 45 hertz and your AVR tried to compensate, you'd still not be able to hear it even if it was boosted 5-10 dB. The sub would be louder at that frequency, but it wouldn't overcome the dead spot, but your neighbors will hear the increase. Bass is a funny thing.
Also, thanks for the Pb1000 tip. I was planning on getting the 2000 but I didn't think I wasn't going to be able to use all the power from it. Quick question, Should I match the pb1000 to my Onkyo SKW-530? For a 5.2.4 config or just keep the SVS and sell the Onkyo?
You do get more extension from the PB-2000, and I would still personally run them if I had the budget, but for sure I would run dual matched subs in any case. You might have some luck with the Onkyo sub, but not nearly as much luck as a matching PB-1000. The PB-1000 will have a slight delay due to the DSP, which will complicate things further.
Yeah I'm planning on getting 2x SVS pb-2000 next year. But only if I find them on sale. Otherwise I'll go with 2x PB-1000. The Pb1000 has delay becuase of the DSP ? You mean in general or in comparison to the Onkyo?
Yeah, it takes a few milliseconds to process the signal in the DSP, which will lead to your room correction seeing an SVS sub as a few feet further away than a non DSP sub. The Onkyo SKW-530 is not DSP controlled, and DSP is rarely found on subs under $500.
Great video, great info. But the bottom line reality is running subwoofers in an apartment is an unfathomably selfish thing to do. It really is. I would invest in high-quality headphones and possibly one of those shaker devices you connect to the sub out channels and attach to your chair. Maybe also one of those vests that video Gamers use. Not all neighbors will complain about the bass noise, but I guarantee you all neighbors hear it. No matter how well you isolate them, running Subs in an apartment is a lot like smoking weed out on your patio. You think you're being a good neighbor, but your neighbors can still smell it, can still hear it. It's just a really selfish thing to do.
I'm paranoid about being a bad neighbor, so I've asked my next-door and below neighbors if they hear any of my stuff; next-door neighbor said "oh, you've got cool speakers? We haven't heard them, you're good" and the downstairs neighbor said "oh, believe me, if I heard them I'd tell you. I don't hear a thing, these apartments have amazing sound-proofing!" I encouraged both of them to hit me up if they ever hear anything at all, and they said that's fine. My living room seems phenomenally sound-proofed, but my bedroom isn't. I can sometimes hear music through the walls in the bedroom, but absolutely nothing in the living room. Currently have my downward-firing sub upside-down on my coffee table, but I'm looking to get one or two front-firing subs next - with bass set nice and mild, of course. I think it's important to have your subwoofer placed closer to the listening area, can lower the "volume" and get similar results.
@@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP519 I’ve been called worse. Wind carries whatever you’re smoking in all directions. You think you’re being a good neighbor, but you’re filling up somebody’s apartment with smoke. It’s incredibly selfish. Mind you, I’m talking about apartment buildings, not houses.
@@madisonsinclair5123 i think smoking inside is more selfish as it's more likely to smell up the indoor hallways... outdoors it gets carried away into the earth by the wind... very unlikely it will blow it all right into your 5x5 window.. unless you leave sliding doors open all day which is on you. Just my 2¢.
So i need a sound damping mat to put under my sub cause it has no feet etc. Also any ideo how to seal up your Bass in one room only cause my Bass leaks bad to other rooms 😐
could you go into more detail about the dynamic range reduction due to reduced amplifier level. It makes no sense to me as it's not a great gain structure to run the sub level high and the input level low. is there any way that the dsp built into the svs subs could be a contributing factor into the effects you are hearing? just sounds like a plasibo effect to me.
I'll tell you how I came to this notion. I came off of the PB-1000's which I had set to about 11 o'clock on the sub gain. It was a good setting, though knowing what I know now, I was missing out on some dynamics. Then I went to the SB-2000's, and set the gain to the same 11 o'clock (40% or so), but the subs did not have the same powerful dynamics that I enjoyed with the PB-1000's. Sealed subs are not as efficient, so it makes sense. In trying to resolve this, I turned them up to about 12:30 to 1 o'clock on the dial (55-60%) and readjusted the AVR trim down by ear (probably -4.5 to -6.0, it's been a while) and the dynamics were back. More slam and punch, but with the same "balance" of bass, which I understand is kind of confusing. For this topic, I just went the other direction, removing the dynamics by turning the sub gain way down and the AVR trim up to where it sounded "balanced" to me again, and took the measurements. Of course, this is subjective to me and what I consider to be balanced, but I was pretty surprised to see a 7 db reduction of bleed over. I don't expect everyone to get the same result, but I would expect some degree of bleed over reduction by turning the sub gain down and readjusting the AVR trim, and every little bit helps. Of course, it's possible that someone trying this will adjust it in such a way that they see no benefit. Time will tell if it works for others like it did for me. I haven't been able to find a lot of info on an approach like this. I could see the DSP being a factor in that you do not need to have it as loud to have it go deep because of the flatter response, and I don't see that as being negative in any way. It probably helps the situation, but I honestly couldn't say with certainty at this point.
does base travel up walls? I have a wall splitting by living room and bedroom and thats where my system is. Its the 1989 Atlantic pattern speaker subwoofer combo with a built in amp.
I have talked to my neighbors about my movies and music and I normally don't have my home theater system up that loud and I let my neighbors know that if it gets annoying to come knock on my door to let me know and I go to bed at a reasonable time as I work the early morning shift and I have no problems
Hi. I have a Kef T2 subwoofer that doesn't have a volume control dial on it. When running the Audyssey calibration through my Denon AVR-X3400H, it says to skip this part and then sets the sub to -2.5db. If I re-calibrate the next day, Audyssey says the sub is too low. I admit I'm finding this a bit confusing. Maybe I should just leave it on -2.5db and be done. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! TIA
I'm kind of shocked, no gain control. I looked up the manual and indeed, no gain option. Your only option is to increase the subwoofer level on the AVR. That's new on me! Check these out, they even have gain dials! But seriously, I would be shocked if there wasn't a dramatic difference. The bass would be much more satisfying, if not a bit more "life sized": www.subwoofer101.com/best-subwoofers/
Im having a dilemma. I've connected a sony powered sub in my apartment and no humming. The next day, I wake up to a small faint humming noise coming from the subwoofer. The noise varies if i turn the gain up or down on the back of the sub. If i disconnect the sub signal wire at the speaker, no hummig. If i disconnect the sub wire at the reciever, different frquencies of sound start to emit from the sub. What is going on? any help would be appreciated.
Just a guess here, but it might be your subwoofer cable, picking up some interference. Is it a good quality cable, or an inexpensive one? A shielded cable might resolve it.
@@Subwoofer101 Thanks. The subwoofer cable worked perfectly. I woke up seeing my microwae clock had rest, so I had a power outage overnight. Ill try to remove all HDMI hookups to the receiver and start one by one. I also added the second sony sub to the front of my setup and plugged it in on the same power strip as the receiver. I think that may be my problem.
If it was fine the night before it's not the cable. The capacitors block DC humm. Open it up and see if the capacitors are bulged on top. A power surge can destroy these types of components. It was a while ago, may be usefull for others. If you had it all of the time I would say it's your TV coaxial cable, in that case a ground loop eliminator will stop all of that.
Came here cause I got a Marantz andan definetly did eat the sub power so I had to turn that off. Now it sounds better but the sub volume is not even at 50% in music though is fine. On movies am lacking but not as much.
Wish I discovered this 6 years ago. Would've said no shit to lower the gain. I can't even hear mine at half gain, and I have the pb-2000 as pictured here. Set at 3 o'clock. Works fine there.
Gotcha. Dual subwoofers seem to help with bleed over, assuming you keep the same relative volume. With a single, you could be experiencing a null/dead spot, but your neighbors won't. Duals are the way to go regardless, the effects are undeniable. SVS has their labor day sale going, and I did see a PB -2000 original in there.
I understand, maybe look for the Black Friday sale. They might even have them new for that sale, hard to say. The PB 2000 I saw has sold, it appears. The outlet subs don't last long, especially something like the PB 2000. Less expensive ported subs are usually the first to go.
+Sebastian M I tried using rubber floor mats and didn't notice much of a difference, where I noticed a good difference with the SVS Isolation System. I don't think just any rubber will do, especially if it's too hard.
Sebastian M i should warn you that doing everything this guy tells you to do isn't gonna prevent you from making your neighbors mad because neighbors can still hear the bass which is what they complain over it being too loud
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I would give you a hard time about that question, but yes I'm quite familiar. Not poor quality subwoofers, but not what I look for in subwoofers. The subs on the list are truly next level.
Sounds to me like your experience is a combination of luck and happenstance, where calculation is the solution. And for the record, the downfiring sub is in phase with the floor, thus transferring through it. Put it 180degrees out and it will diminish what transfers through the floor somewhat, but not enough to really truly notice. Your front firing subs are in phase with your vertical position, and 90 degrees out of phase with the floor, thus less transference to the neighbors below. Here’s how you use two subs to cancel in a certain direction, but of course this whole thing is based on an open room with no walls within say 40’ of the speakers. Is your apartment within those specs? Yeah. So shoot for the best. First determine which direction you want cancellation. Below, stack the subs, behind, side by side, to the side, side by side but turned 90 degrees. And the tow subs should be facing opposite directions. Measure the distance from one(front) driver cone to the other ( rear ) as the path that sound would have to travel. Some people measure driver to driver “as the crow flies” without consideration for the path of travel, and since no speaker is a perfect radiator, somewhere in between the two has proven to be what works, and the variables are too much to calculate, so modeling software has become the norm, and even that has limitations. So let’s say it’s the neighbors below. Stack the two subs. Measure from the center of one driver vertically to the center point of the other CABINET, not a circuitous route to the other driver. So if the subs measure from the floor say 12” to the dust cover, then theoretically the sub above should be the same distance. So delay the sub in the direction you want cancellation by that distance, plus, set the volume such that when each is played alone, the volume and eq(if possible) in the cancellation area are identical. Hello neighbors, just stopping in to play some loud pink noise to save your sanity in the near future. Match the two at that location. So then, you have the two matched in volume and eq in the cancellation area, plus delayed by the distance between the drivers, with the delay being applied to the speaker closer to the zone, then put that speaker out of phase, and voila, cancellation. Obviously it is no where near perfect, but the results can be quite stunning. For example, I live in a typical ranch house with a FROG where my sound system is. On the opposite end of the house, my wife would text me and tell me that the pictures on the wall in baby’s room were rattling. Then she would tell me that the kitchen appliances were also rattling, just on the other side of the wall from the FROG. Using my setup, I have cancelled sub frequencies by around 10-15 dB in that area. The results are both astounding and spooky. I can simply walk behind the subs to the top of the stairs and it seems tha the sub have been turned off. Science. Stay in school kids. The idea is to optimize sub frequencies in front of your subs and cancel as much as possible behind, but then there are variables such as walls and floors and ceiling to take into account t but experiment and you will get great results. That’s what we do in concert situations but a scaled down.
I was just planning to get 1 pb4000 but I live in hk and living in condo.. but the worst thing is my parents can't take the loud boomy bass..so made me feel more shit as I can't get even pb1000 cos I can't even use it cos of my parents n cos I live in condo..fuking feeling shit about it
I understand the frustration. I'd like to live in the middle of nowhere so I can blast it at 4am if I want, but I have to keep it civil. I'm sure this won't help the way you feel right now, but patience and determination usually pays off. When you get your own place, keep your future home theater system in mind. Hopefully you can find some digs that allow you to go nuts with it. I understand your current frustration though. It's good to respect your coinhabitants, whether it's your parents, neighbors, or pets. It's not worth it if your system causes conflict.
Subwoofer 101 yes sir ur absolutely right I'll save n see the future .. once I get my own thing like living near the forest then I'll blast it for real
Great stuff.Im easy going quiet guy:)),but apartment above me,theres elephant living there.He walks around and all i hear is bang ,bang ,like from bass speaker instead this is just from way he walks.I have asked him callmed it down a bit.Nothing changed.This is war now! ......... How to attached subwoofer to the ceeling so i teach him a lesson?Obviously i do not want disturbe others just him. What way i get best bass sound and vibrations through the ceeling so he goes insane? Which way should the speaker be placed?I know its crazy,but still better than be arrested for kicking his arse.:))
Byt Chrenova we have rude guy renting our basement that’s doin this. He’s been asked to leave. Get a top floor or don’t complain. He prob think we stomp around, but we were the ones trying not to offend the entitled pos. Until you can afford to live by yourself or top floor, stfu
If I were to live alone the rest of my life and never have another visitor, I would still go dual personally. That may go against the grain from what many would recommend, but splitting the budget for duals would be my choice. I went back to a single for about a week, and I really missed duals. Even if I could get it tuned just perfectly for my position, it doesn't give me the response I want. Seat to seat response is just an added benefit to me, the biggest benefit to me is being able to hear all of the bass. With a single its like parts of the bass are missing. I call it Swiss Cheese Bass, which is from the standing wave. Duals knock down the standing wave, and I really missed it when I only had the single.
another good trick is to revers the phase of one of the subs (most have a phase switch on the back now days) I have one sub myself and it's right in front of me, hell ya. literally in the middle in front of me
You still get full extention, just lower dynamics. With Denon's LFC, you don't get the low end at all, it's like not running subs. With this method you can still hear down to 20 hertz, there's just less bleed over to neighboring apartments. Still sounds full, just not as powerful.
Great Video, Condo rule No sound from condo 10Pm to 8Am. I checked My PB1000's gain was at 2pm changed it to 10Am ish. 8 clicks up. AVR SW output +6dB.I find My peaks around 75 to 80dB for movies. I only hear TV from above Me Sometimes and it sucks, But I'm glad they do not have a sound system.So I use Headphones or small speakers at night. Prime Movie time is week days 11Am to around 4Pm. I have never ran auto EQ on My old Denon 3805 just level match speakers with meter. Will do that in 2017. Happy holiday's everyone.
75 or 80db max. To quite. That is for bedtime. We make sure to only rent to people ok with sound so it isn't an issue. The guy upstair from me is able to crank his when I crank mine and we don't hear each other. I couldn't live somewhere I can't have my 105db peaks.
Nice, good point about community rules. Does the change from 2Pm on the dial to 10 Am seem good for you? I'm curious to get feedback from those who live with it. Happy Holidays Toby!
A little less diplomatic, and I would have to assume more likely to lead to eviction, and likely a conviction as well. A noise complaint at the very least.
Nah, people are way to selfish for that. End if the day anyone who has a bass set up and lives in an apartment complex is nothing but selfish scum and i enjoy getting them kicked out for nuisance noise 🤗
The best thing you can do is to purchase a pair of audiophile quality headphones. I can watch SCIENCE FICTION movies and listen to any kind of music late at night. My neighbors are out during the day so my subwoofer does not bother them. I would recommend headphone companies like AKG BEYER AUDEZE SENNHEISER OPPO etc.
I live in a condo that's made up of concrete throughout and my neighbor beside me is separated by a 10 foot air gap and 2 walls made of cinderblock. Can't hear a thing. My neighbors downstairs though have hardwood floors. I can't hear their voices, tv, or stereo (unless they're having a loud party), but I can hear furniture moving on the floor clear as day. I hope to move to a house soon and get 2 sb-16 ultras to play as loud as I want.
Subwoofer 101 like to ask advice pls I only have one sub at moment I'm using the LFE from subwoofer 1 output. but my amp has 2 subwoofer outs and my dali ef12 has left and right inputs what is better for me to use LFE only or both left and right. I have 2 qed signature subwoofer cables but only using 1 lol other was for my second subwoofer sometime this year. thanks
Why would you rent an apartment with that equipment? You are the neighbor from hell. Do you really need that equipment to fully enjoy your music? Nobody should be subjected to another’s music. I guarantee you that the music you love sucks for a lot of other people. Why don’t you be considerate and use headphones??
This video has helped me greatly. I'm still living in my family home for now. My room is right above the living room, and even when I'm just asking Google Assistant something, my mother thinks I have the TV blasting when my volume is actually only at 20%. Be moving out next year, to a 1st floor apartment, where my sub hopefully won't be that huge of a problem. I gotta have my deadmau5!
Deadmau5 will almost always be a problem! Talk to your apartment manager, some are smart enough to put their audio people next to each other. Some enjoy it themselves.
You might inquire if they group music lovers together. I wouldn't ask which would be the best place to crank your system. How you word things can impact how you might be treated.
Good luck, and know that you may have to resort to headphones to be a good neighbor. Hopefully you get a place with thick walls, and you can enjoy your music!
I'm an installer and always go the decoupling route in a townhouse or apt...I don't turn down, never really had to...my normal install includes 2 concrete pavers of the correct dimensions ( to match the sub) stacked, then a 4" thick cork base on top of the concrete, then black cloth covering entire base, then the sub, rock on, no complaints. I've also had great results with high density memory foam.
poserwannabe the isolation is the cork? Whats the purpose of the 2 concrete pavers?
concrete? wut
@@naegleriafowleri2230 yep, concrete pavers, available at most landscape outlets
I love my bass love to feel the bass but I understand some people can't have that so here are some of my tips. One Buy some insulating foam pads and put it on the walls majority of the sound comes from the walls. Walls in most places are just drywall with then installation inside witch is okay to block most sounds but not low frequency sounds also if your condo or apartment as wood or tile floors buy a nice think area rug and place your sub on top it will also help dampen the sound. Two most receivers or amplifiers have a setting called night mode witch keeps everything the same but cuts down on the low frequency sounds so an explosion say would be still loud but not like wall shaking loud. Three this applies if you got an active sub it depends but most have Volume Phase nobs on the back try messing with those also on your Receiver dial it in too your liking do not so loud. Four invest in some high quality surround sound headphones most Receivers or at least the good ones have an headphone out jack you could enjoy your surround sound threw your headphones and no one would hear anything but yourself. Five blast your content when you know your neighbours are not around if there not there they can't complain can they.
Good video I’m running two subs I live in a condo apartment I’ve had no issues for disturbing anyone I have everything calabrated and a tactile transducer sends the low response through the couch and that helps when my subs are more leveled .
I avoided the subwoofer complaints and invested in good headphones. I wear them every time I'm gaming or want to crank the sound up for my favorite movies. It's it the same I know but it keeps everyone happy. Myself included! I love the idea of running two subs. My next surround sound setup I'll go for it.
I’ve always lived in apartments. I run my reference bookshelf speakers full range and use a subwoofer that isn’t a true sub. I’m not really looking for sub bass frequencies as much as I am reinforcement of the mains in regards to low frequency information from the LFE channel. My subwoofer may barely be turned up, but it makes the movie sound full when necessary. I also have night mode turned on so it compresses the lows and boosts the highs. I enjoy movies just the same because my receiver has a great processor and I get all the channel separation. It sounds 100 times better than TV speakers or simply two channel stereo with no discrete channels or low-frequency LFG information of any kind.
...at low volumes, my kef reference bookshelf speakers and 10” sub reproduce sound very accurately. I’m one who has always liked the subtle sounds in a film that adds spaciousness and detail. To hear the music score and identify instruments clearly, with out distortion or muddiness, or thunderstorms, rain, voices and silverware in a diner is all very enjoyable. I like that overall more so than how loud a chaotic scene is in a film. This parts in a movie are far and few between compared to the latter. For me it’s all about accurate, full sound that envelops me than how loud it plays. I don’t get complaints at all
Your surround sound is better for movies not music. I have actually 3 channels with 2 speakers.
If I play even a tiny bluetooth speaker at mid low volume my neighbor upstairs has a conniption fit. If I used actual speakers and subs the cops would be here so fast 😂
I have a very old flagship reciver (pre HDMI era) and it has a Midnight mode, I don't know if any newer reciveres have it. It seems to do a good job of compressing the dynamic range to make it better for midnight or when your neighbours are home
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yes that's what I called it! after trying several subwoofers out where I could play it at a satisfactory sound and it wouldn't annoy my lovely neighbours!
People underestimate the difference between a mediocre sub and a high-performance sub, ever since I purchased a high performance subwoofer I don't get any complaints anymore
If you enjoy your music just as much as movies but worry about your neighbours may I suggest looking into the RELL Ti series
With the REL Ti series, the driver's move so fast that rel recommends as well as the low-level input, you also so connect the high level input, which entails connecting a extra cable from the subwoofer to the stereo speaker binding posts! OMG I didn't know music could sound this good especially coming through budget stereo speakers, the upgraded Sonic performance in the room is really astonishing and the best part about it, is even after asking my neighbours for feedback they say they can't even hear it! Lol
Great tip... btw- I have a 5.4 set up and I live in an apartment. Def Technology BP9040 plus 2 Pro Sub 800 for the rear. No issues
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I lived in an apartment for over a decade with a pretty decent sound system. Did get the cops called on me once but my neighbor was going a little crazy at that stage. By the end of my time there she was losing her hearing and never complained. It's nice having a house now though!
Christ you're self entitled aren't you. If you live in apartments you dont use your bass speakers. Your enjoyment of bass doesn't prioritise over everyone's peace and quiet. It's really Simple... But I suppose you're the type of kid who drives your neighbours to the point of kicking your head off your shoulders then pressing charges and acting as if your neighbours acted irrationaly.
@@markroyds23 My thoughts exactly on both this video and basically everyone in the comments. "BaSs DeFiNeS yOuR HoMe ThEaTeR". I'm just here because I googled how many people think it's actually okay to have a subwoofer in an apartment since I've got one of those geniuses above me.
@@markroyds23 Hi there just bought a woofer and then suddendly saw people in the neighbours whatsapp group complaining and wondering about the shaking rumbles lol. Told them it was me and one girl asked me to invite her lol. It's a pity I won't be able to enjoy this stuff the way it's supposed to. Can't wait to gtfo this country and live in a proper home!
@@consistency3d90 Same here.. I'm going insane with my neighbor.. they are complete dicks. I love sound/bass but the second I moved into a condo from my house.. my subwoofer is gone. The assholes next to me are something else..
@@markroyds23 You sound even more self-entitled.
Great video!
I wanted to mention as well, the volume knob is not a gain knob. The gain controls how loud the input is and the volume controls how loud the output is. Similar concepts but different as well.
I don't mean to be a D either with the correction, I just wanted to add some clarity.
My neighbors should be thankful, you don't get cinema quality bass for free!
If only everyone saw it that way...
@@Subwoofer101 hey 101 I'm in an apartment with concrete floors walls ceilings etc... And a bunch of old people that like the music I play which is awesome lol. Anyway I don't know anything about amps receivers and what not. Just a sound bar guy which is plenty for my apartment. Just got the Bose 700 with bass module 700. Sounds great. The sub fires up and with music the bass is pretty much non-existent unless I really crank the volume up way too high. My JBL BAR 3.1 is down firing. What's the difference between up firing and down firing other than the obvious? Bose uses the Bose Music app to control all the sound options (bass, treble, center channel) for the sound bar. Then there is the "speaker volume" for the woofer separately.
For music when I turnthe bass volume up on the sound bar and the subwoofer I get decent bass for music and a relatively lower volume that isn't ear piercing. Anyway they both rattle these walls and my door especially during movies with those really super low lows or whatever. I also have my subwoofer placed on the carpet. IDK if that matters or if I should have it on a harder flat surface? Sorry for long comment.... I just really liked the JBL sub for music and movies but the bar sound had zero mid-range to it lol. I love my music :) \m/
Yea we love hearing just the bass parts of your movies or music
In an apparent it’s a down firing sub just flip it upside down so the sub is on top and place a folded towel on the sub speaker to keep the dust away. I have sensitive neighbors and since I did that I’ve had no problems.
thanks for sharing. im in a trailer park and im in the middle of sound proofing my home. this will help until im done. apparently trailers are conduits and the bass travels in the ground. cant here it outside but if you walk into my neighbors trailer you can hear it like its playing in their home. nuts right?
I'm very familiar with this. Kids running in a trailer sounds like they are on the roof. Freaked me out!
manonfireb4u2 it’s because outside there is no resonant chamber (AKA a drum) to capture and resonate the sound. Depending on the frequency and distance to the neighbors trailer, they might as well be adjacent. Anywhere between 10-40 feet will be within the sub range moving it 5’ away will reduce upper subs, while moving 80’ away will cut it all in half at least
ok. the best $300 I ever spent on my home theater was bass shakers when u can't turn it up, that is the point of this great video. Bass shakers on with the other 7.1 all reasonable volume makes the difference for me. 1 bass shakers per recliner. everyone is happy. been there done that. no cops or upset neighbors. keep up the good work sir!
Thanks! Do the Bass shakers transfer to the floor?
Subwoofer 101 not with insulators on the chair legs like for your subs. I'll send u a pic of my bass shakers thru twitter.
My 120hz is weak but I can get 80db peaks at 44 60 74 94 and 220
My listening room is quite small, think king size bed with room to hang your feet off, but it’s semi open only having 3 corners and 3 full walls. That being said the walls and floor are concrete; floor has shag carpet. the hanging ceiling panels are quite heavy also functional diffusers. The walls are lined with hoodies, there is a foam twin mattress behind the listening seat. 3 8in subs drive the bass. One directly ahead bottom ported, and two behind facing opposite side ported. Each about half their 100 watt amplitude with a front bias. The phase has been set to reduce 60hz response and the eq resolved the other room modes.
This is what I got one time I bumped into the lady that lives above my unit...nice speakers! haha
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I could be wrong here but I turn the frequency response up so I can run the gain a little higher before rumble. Also if you're listening to music at night try a pair of headphones. I actually like experiencing sound differently depending on the time.
Can you elaborate on turning the frequency response up? What specifically are you adjusting?
And I agree, headphones definitely have their place, and at 1:00 a.m. in an apartment? That's definitely the right time and place.
Another tip is to reduce the walls' contribution to the bass. Vibrating walls make for vibrating neighbors. Be sure to place subwoofers at least 8 inches from any wall and avoid corners. This will also give you clearer bass and with less mud the need for higher volume is also reduced.
Getting closer to the subs can reduce the volume you need, for sure.
Just a quick correction: it's Travis Scott who raps in Antidote, not Travis Brown, whoever that is.
Thanks for the tips!
Face palm...thank you!
Bad acoustics in apartments. There i live some doing some sorts of knock sound and that sounds really bad to me then.
Audyssey XT32 set both my sb2000 at around 10Am for 75dB measured output before the begging of the calibration. After the calibration was done the AVR was also cutting the subs at around -10.5 dB. Seems radical but the overall bass response is amazing and sooo powerful. I m using them in an apartment, in a 270 ft^2 room.
Sounds about right. I'll say the 6200 is a slightly different animal than my previous Denon, and it must be the XT32. Little more oomph out of the sub outs.
What do you do if you use the foam, the cones, and have the only option of changing bass and treble? I have them each on unit 1. Neighbors aren’t happy :/
Careful of AVR sub trims. Majority of AVRs (even high-end pre/pros) can and will clip the sub volume above +0-2db. Having the gain on the sub low and pushing the trim up to like +6db isn't actually a good thing.
It's certainly not the ideal situation, and that's something to look out for. Usually amps clip at their limit, but I'll check it out next time I change the settings, see if I can get the subs to clip at low gain high AVR trim, or otherwise misbehave. I cranked it up to normal loud listening, which is around -18 to -14 or so, but didn't push them hard. Just sounded like softer bass, but hadn't thought to check for bad behavior.
Subwoofer 101 It's more about the output voltage from the sub pre-outs on many receivers. Yamaha for example, were once notorious for this behavior.
Many at SVS (including Ed Mullen) actually suggests raising the gain on the sub itself and getting a low negative on the AVR's sub trim during calibration.
Yeah, I agree with that, I get the best dynamics that way. The whole point of this video was to go the opposite direction and remove dynamics. Bass is less impressive, softer, but still as deep. It's definitely a compromise.
You did mention LFC from Audyssey, which I do agree mostly saps out the low-end entirely. My opinion however is just to use the "volume normalization" feature that should be available on most (if not all) receivers out there today. Keeps volume linear, I think that's another good way to contain bass even if it's not ideal.
Are you talking about "Dynamic Volume"? It may not be a bad option for people to try out, but I'm not a fan of the setting. I find it fatiguing myself, but worth looking into. LFC seems to take out more bass than turning off the subwoofers. It filters it off pretty aggressively. I just posted a graph on Facebook. facebook.com/subwoofer101
I have vibration pads sitting under my sub in my condo. I also just got a second sub and because of space issues I bought the slim Dayton Audio 1000L sub laying flat down on the floor with my front firing stacked right on top of it. Both are 10' 100 watts.
I have my xtz cinema 3×12 sub on sonic design damping pads and on a home built platform with wheels on it.
very good topic! can you recommend any subwoofers that would be suitable for condos/apartments? my 30 year old Axiom AX120A 80W seems to have packed it in!
If you were living in a house and had no neighbors then you could have the subwoofers as loud as you want and even run as many subwoofers as you want and have the bass be as loud as you want and probably have the subwoofers at maximum power
Exactly the thinking behind the RV Project. Just need to get the solar active. Can't really manage that in an RV park.
You never want the subs all the way up. The goal of a sub is not to make bass louder it's to make the loudspeakers seem like they have more bass. If you can tell where the sub is coming from, it's too loud.
I just subscribed a few weeks ago because I wanted to get into SVS subs. Great, great channel, love it. I live in a condo and have for oh about 10 years. I have also been into home theater for almost 20 years. I have, for some odd reason never had a complaint from neighbors. Now my neighbors are pretty cool, I am lucky, but I do think they would complain if there was too much annoyance. I'm afraid to ask either neighbor if there is an issue, but really I should. I NEVER hear anything from either neighbor either so who knows. Well built condo or just quiet neighbors?
Oh I recently got an SVS PB-1000 and its FANTASTIC. Got it off the SVS Outlet and I can't find the scratches that were supposed to be on. I hope to get into a house within a year and then i can unleash my system and that beautiful PB-1000. I have Def Tech SM 65's main speakers, Def Tech SM 55's surrounds, and a CLR2000. Of course the PB-1000 also now.
Glad to have you as a subscriber! The Outlet is a pretty good way to get SVS products at a discount. It is nice to be able to rock the house, but even so I still need to be aware of the time. If I were to let it loose at 3 am, I know I'd get some complaints. But thankfully it's not as bad as I thought, but I understand the hesitation to ask.
Thanks, again love the channel. I'm only scared to ask because if they were to say yes it bothers us very, very much and is annoying, it would ruin my life because I love Home theater sound. It really would devastate me.
I see a rotating phase. Smaller sealed higher off the ground and isolation maxed... Then cardioid pairs. Inverted 180 then adjust like 60 degrees with every meter... Creates directional bass. If you can have larger spaces you can create a larger lobe where they meet at your sweet spot but cancel almost everywhere else.
Please help me out! We have a new PB1000 Pro sub for our acoustically treated theater room having dimensions of 16x12x9 (in feet). Ours is a independent house and not an apartment.
By default, on the svs app, the sub volume is at -10.
I have to set +4.5 on our new Denon AVR-X2700 to get it to the level to work in tandem with the KEF T series speakers. Please advise if I am missing anything?
Great topic. Nice vid and good recommendations. Another thing you can do you is add treatment below the sub to decouple it from the floor, which should really be done most times anyway if you can for a few reasons. Either a DIY job or something like an Auralex SubDude are affordable solutions. But that's for another video. ; )
Thanks! I did talk about the SVS Subwoofer Isolation System, which is similar in purpose to the Subdude. bit.ly/IsolationFeet (affiliate link) which I like because they are low visual impact (they look stock) and they are really flexible. I can grab the cabinet and really shake the sub around while the feet stay in place. With a wood floor I noticed a real improvement, both in sound quality and reduction of rattles. A video specific to that system is coming up.
I wasn't able to find much information on the lower sub gain approach specifically. Kind of stumbled on to it when I didn't get enough dynamics out of the SB-2000's at 11 o'clock. At about 1 o'clock, the dynamics were much better.
firstly, sub position . Sit sub closer to you.. second Isolate the sub from the room. Then fill the room with as much mass on all doors, windows and any floating floors ect. Install as many Bass traps as you can. I would use a spectrum analyzer on my mobile to find what frequencies are getting out of your house and just notch filter them out a bit.. If they still complain, you just need to turn it down.. failing that, Move or force you neighbor to wear ear muffs..
I used a 24 muffin pan with 24 squash balls and set my Klipsch 12 inch subwoofer on top of the balls and it isolated the bass from the floor and sounds great.
I wonder if taking a few out would help? I would think that they would be "over sprung" with that many. In my opinion, it's ideal when there is a good amount of give.
The way I look at it is like 1 ton springs on Tacoma or a Ranger, no give at all. If a single ball at each corner would do the trick, seems like that would be ideal. If they are compressed, add until they aren't.
Just something to try. If you try it, let me know what you think.
@@Subwoofer101 Plenty of "spring" in my setup because my Klipsch RW-12D subwoofer is really heavy and the bass can hardly be heard in a bedroom 20ft away. Bass is tight deep and punchy. Works like a charm.
I have a tiny room and was thinking about getting the 8 inch dayton 800 sub to go with my dayton towers.
Wich (sole?) Subwoofer do you recommend for the DenonM40?
Budget: 50-150€(60-175$)
I also would like to change the standard speakers for something else next year.
Budget: 300€ (350$)
Btw i prefer good second hand speakers.
Gotta go duals: ua-cam.com/video/aQz0VbueIEE/v-deo.html
These are the subs I can get behind. If you can find these used, it would be a good way to go. Matched pairs are best. Sadly, good bass is not cheap.
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vitalij92 if you haven't bought one yet i highly recommend the polk psw108 for 91 at bestbuy. Best bang for the buck
How about placing the sub as close to the listening position as possible, perhaps within an inch of touching the back of the chair or couch? It seems like one could keep the volume low enough that it won't bleed thru walls but still give a seated listener the full impact. Has anyone tried this?
You're talking about near field placement, and yes it is a good way to go, as you can reduce the gain a bit.
I still recommend two subs in order to hear all of the bass and avoid inadvertently boosting dead spots in the response, which your neighbors would hear when you can't.
If you had a dead spot at 45 hertz and your AVR tried to compensate, you'd still not be able to hear it even if it was boosted 5-10 dB. The sub would be louder at that frequency, but it wouldn't overcome the dead spot, but your neighbors will hear the increase. Bass is a funny thing.
Just turn the phase 180 degree if your very close to the sub.
Best trick is! Build freaking apartmen with Noise insulation!
On some home theater receivers like the rca rt2760 you can set the subwoofer level to soft subwoofers if your living in a apartment
Yeah, the Denon LFC does something similar. Useful in some situations.
Was hoping to hear about sub size to diminish rattling and neighbor complaints.
Great video and easy to understand, and to make your Sub sound more dynamic you would just do the opposite , is that correct?
Yep, first video in my bass hack series, the Gain Hack!
Also, thanks for the Pb1000 tip. I was planning on getting the 2000 but I didn't think I wasn't going to be able to use all the power from it. Quick question, Should I match the pb1000 to my Onkyo SKW-530? For a 5.2.4 config or just keep the SVS and sell the Onkyo?
You do get more extension from the PB-2000, and I would still personally run them if I had the budget, but for sure I would run dual matched subs in any case. You might have some luck with the Onkyo sub, but not nearly as much luck as a matching PB-1000. The PB-1000 will have a slight delay due to the DSP, which will complicate things further.
Yeah I'm planning on getting 2x SVS pb-2000 next year. But only if I find them on sale. Otherwise I'll go with 2x PB-1000. The Pb1000 has delay becuase of the DSP ? You mean in general or in comparison to the Onkyo?
Yeah, it takes a few milliseconds to process the signal in the DSP, which will lead to your room correction seeing an SVS sub as a few feet further away than a non DSP sub. The Onkyo SKW-530 is not DSP controlled, and DSP is rarely found on subs under $500.
Great video, great info. But the bottom line reality is running subwoofers in an apartment is an unfathomably selfish thing to do. It really is.
I would invest in high-quality headphones and possibly one of those shaker devices you connect to the sub out channels and attach to your chair. Maybe also one of those vests that video Gamers use. Not all neighbors will complain about the bass noise, but I guarantee you all neighbors hear it.
No matter how well you isolate them, running Subs in an apartment is a lot like smoking weed out on your patio. You think you're being a good neighbor, but your neighbors can still smell it, can still hear it. It's just a really selfish thing to do.
I'm paranoid about being a bad neighbor, so I've asked my next-door and below neighbors if they hear any of my stuff; next-door neighbor said "oh, you've got cool speakers? We haven't heard them, you're good" and the downstairs neighbor said "oh, believe me, if I heard them I'd tell you. I don't hear a thing, these apartments have amazing sound-proofing!"
I encouraged both of them to hit me up if they ever hear anything at all, and they said that's fine.
My living room seems phenomenally sound-proofed, but my bedroom isn't. I can sometimes hear music through the walls in the bedroom, but absolutely nothing in the living room. Currently have my downward-firing sub upside-down on my coffee table, but I'm looking to get one or two front-firing subs next - with bass set nice and mild, of course. I think it's important to have your subwoofer placed closer to the listening area, can lower the "volume" and get similar results.
@@FFFan3445 I would do anything for my next door neighbor to be as considerate as you...
Man if you get mad at someone smoking weed on their porch you're just an asshole
@@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP519 I’ve been called worse. Wind carries whatever you’re smoking in all directions. You think you’re being a good neighbor, but you’re filling up somebody’s apartment with smoke. It’s incredibly selfish. Mind you, I’m talking about apartment buildings, not houses.
@@madisonsinclair5123 i think smoking inside is more selfish as it's more likely to smell up the indoor hallways... outdoors it gets carried away into the earth by the wind... very unlikely it will blow it all right into your 5x5 window.. unless you leave sliding doors open all day which is on you. Just my 2¢.
So i need a sound damping mat to put under my sub cause it has no feet etc. Also any ideo how to seal up your Bass in one room only cause my Bass leaks bad to other rooms 😐
could you go into more detail about the dynamic range reduction due to reduced amplifier level. It makes no sense to me as it's not a great gain structure to run the sub level high and the input level low. is there any way that the dsp built into the svs subs could be a contributing factor into the effects you are hearing? just sounds like a plasibo effect to me.
I'll tell you how I came to this notion. I came off of the PB-1000's which I had set to about 11 o'clock on the sub gain. It was a good setting, though knowing what I know now, I was missing out on some dynamics.
Then I went to the SB-2000's, and set the gain to the same 11 o'clock (40% or so), but the subs did not have the same powerful dynamics that I enjoyed with the PB-1000's. Sealed subs are not as efficient, so it makes sense. In trying to resolve this, I turned them up to about 12:30 to 1 o'clock on the dial (55-60%) and readjusted the AVR trim down by ear (probably -4.5 to -6.0, it's been a while) and the dynamics were back. More slam and punch, but with the same "balance" of bass, which I understand is kind of confusing.
For this topic, I just went the other direction, removing the dynamics by turning the sub gain way down and the AVR trim up to where it sounded "balanced" to me again, and took the measurements. Of course, this is subjective to me and what I consider to be balanced, but I was pretty surprised to see a 7 db reduction of bleed over. I don't expect everyone to get the same result, but I would expect some degree of bleed over reduction by turning the sub gain down and readjusting the AVR trim, and every little bit helps.
Of course, it's possible that someone trying this will adjust it in such a way that they see no benefit. Time will tell if it works for others like it did for me. I haven't been able to find a lot of info on an approach like this.
I could see the DSP being a factor in that you do not need to have it as loud to have it go deep because of the flatter response, and I don't see that as being negative in any way. It probably helps the situation, but I honestly couldn't say with certainty at this point.
I was looking for something more along the lines of sound treatment tips.
Bass traps on common walls
If the sub is too loud, the reult is not "compression" -- it is clipping.
does base travel up walls? I have a wall splitting by living room and bedroom and thats where my system is. Its the 1989 Atlantic pattern speaker subwoofer combo with a built in amp.
yes. it does. mainly low frequencies.
I have talked to my neighbors about my movies and music and I normally don't have my home theater system up that loud and I let my neighbors know that if it gets annoying to come knock on my door to let me know and I go to bed at a reasonable time as I work the early morning shift and I have no problems
Hi. I have a Kef T2 subwoofer that doesn't have a volume control dial on it. When running the Audyssey calibration through my Denon AVR-X3400H, it says to skip this part and then sets the sub to -2.5db. If I re-calibrate the next day, Audyssey says the sub is too low. I admit I'm finding this a bit confusing. Maybe I should just leave it on -2.5db and be done. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! TIA
I'm kind of shocked, no gain control. I looked up the manual and indeed, no gain option. Your only option is to increase the subwoofer level on the AVR. That's new on me!
Check these out, they even have gain dials! But seriously, I would be shocked if there wasn't a dramatic difference. The bass would be much more satisfying, if not a bit more "life sized": www.subwoofer101.com/best-subwoofers/
@@Subwoofer101 Thanks for taking the time to look up the manual. I will have a read through the list in the link. Thanks again.
What if I also use some of those surfacea like "gym flooring" to reduce te vibration on floor?
Depends on how much give there is. The squishier, the better.
I've been waiting for this video for so looooong. Thanks!!
I know, I'm running behind on my topics. Glad you liked it!
What does the low pass filter do
Im having a dilemma. I've connected a sony powered sub in my apartment and no humming. The next day, I wake up to a small faint humming noise coming from the subwoofer. The noise varies if i turn the gain up or down on the back of the sub. If i disconnect the sub signal wire at the speaker, no hummig. If i disconnect the sub wire at the reciever, different frquencies of sound start to emit from the sub. What is going on? any help would be appreciated.
Just a guess here, but it might be your subwoofer cable, picking up some interference. Is it a good quality cable, or an inexpensive one? A shielded cable might resolve it.
@@Subwoofer101 Thanks. The subwoofer cable worked perfectly. I woke up seeing my microwae clock had rest, so I had a power outage overnight. Ill try to remove all HDMI hookups to the receiver and start one by one. I also added the second sony sub to the front of my setup and plugged it in on the same power strip as the receiver. I think that may be my problem.
If it was fine the night before it's not the cable. The capacitors block DC humm. Open it up and see if the capacitors are bulged on top. A power surge can destroy these types of components. It was a while ago, may be usefull for others. If you had it all of the time I would say it's your TV coaxial cable, in that case a ground loop eliminator will stop all of that.
My subwoofer that came with my sound bar doesn't even have any customization options, so I'm just not using it. :/
Came here cause I got a Marantz andan definetly did eat the sub power so I had to turn that off. Now it sounds better but the sub volume is not even at 50% in music though is fine. On movies am lacking but not as much.
What do you think about hockey pucks under sub feet?
For doing what? Just elevating your sub?
Obviously there's less vibration on the floor my neighbor's downstairs stopped complaining after i did this.
two subs are Thee only way ...End of argument👌
Agreed! 😎
Wish I discovered this 6 years ago. Would've said no shit to lower the gain. I can't even hear mine at half gain, and I have the pb-2000 as pictured here. Set at 3 o'clock. Works fine there.
Yeah, this is the opposite of my gain hack, which it sounds like you're doing already.
Are you running a single or duals?
Single, I'm also in an apartment, 1st floor.
Gotcha. Dual subwoofers seem to help with bleed over, assuming you keep the same relative volume.
With a single, you could be experiencing a null/dead spot, but your neighbors won't.
Duals are the way to go regardless, the effects are undeniable.
SVS has their labor day sale going, and I did see a PB -2000 original in there.
I didn't see a pb-2000 in the outlet or the regular sale. I don't know where we see this. And I'm not in the financial spot to get an additional.
I understand, maybe look for the Black Friday sale. They might even have them new for that sale, hard to say.
The PB 2000 I saw has sold, it appears. The outlet subs don't last long, especially something like the PB 2000. Less expensive ported subs are usually the first to go.
will any type of rubber to seperate the sub between the floor do? or just cop the isolation feet from svs?
+Sebastian M I tried using rubber floor mats and didn't notice much of a difference, where I noticed a good difference with the SVS Isolation System. I don't think just any rubber will do, especially if it's too hard.
Sebastian M i should warn you that doing everything this guy tells you to do isn't gonna prevent you from making your neighbors mad because neighbors can still hear the bass which is what they complain over it being too loud
I have sonic design damping pads. Really good.
great video I have my sub quite low it suits me that way. I live in a semi detached by the way .PS have a good Christmas and new year 🍺🍺🍸🍸
Thanks! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you too!
Question i live in apartment i got klipsch subwoofer and its by the heater and it rattles what can i do so the heater not rattle
Mitch neighbors should never have to complain about the rattling
Check out rubber feet subwoofer isolators. It’ll reduce the sub energy resonating through the floors
I live next to the maintenance room. So I put my setup next to that wall.
Kylo Ren & Stimpy same, but I still have neighbors above me lol but they stomped around like big foot so we’ll be even haha
One of my party-walls always makes a banging noise when I turn it up, I guess my speakers aren't very good... 🤣
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Have you heard of velodyne subwoofers and klipsch subwoofers
I would give you a hard time about that question, but yes I'm quite familiar. Not poor quality subwoofers, but not what I look for in subwoofers.
The subs on the list are truly next level.
Have u heard of xtz cinema subwoofers then.?.
Ulf Larsson yes I have
@@Subwoofer101 have u heard of xtz cinema subwoofers then.?.
I lucked out my neighbors are totally deaf and blind.
lol
Good info. Thanks man!
Always welcome, thanks for the comment!
Thanks for posting.
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Sounds to me like your experience is a combination of luck and happenstance, where calculation is the solution. And for the record, the downfiring sub is in phase with the floor, thus transferring through it. Put it 180degrees out and it will diminish what transfers through the floor somewhat, but not enough to really truly notice. Your front firing subs are in phase with your vertical position, and 90 degrees out of phase with the floor, thus less transference to the neighbors below. Here’s how you use two subs to cancel in a certain direction, but of course this whole thing is based on an open room with no walls within say 40’ of the speakers. Is your apartment within those specs? Yeah. So shoot for the best. First determine which direction you want cancellation. Below, stack the subs, behind, side by side, to the side, side by side but turned 90 degrees. And the tow subs should be facing opposite directions. Measure the distance from one(front) driver cone to the other ( rear ) as the path that sound would have to travel. Some people measure driver to driver “as the crow flies” without consideration for the path of travel, and since no speaker is a perfect radiator, somewhere in between the two has proven to be what works, and the variables are too much to calculate, so modeling software has become the norm, and even that has limitations. So let’s say it’s the neighbors below. Stack the two subs. Measure from the center of one driver vertically to the center point of the other CABINET, not a circuitous route to the other driver. So if the subs measure from the floor say 12” to the dust cover, then theoretically the sub above should be the same distance. So delay the sub in the direction you want cancellation by that distance, plus, set the volume such that when each is played alone, the volume and eq(if possible) in the cancellation area are identical. Hello neighbors, just stopping in to play some loud pink noise to save your sanity in the near future. Match the two at that location. So then, you have the two matched in volume and eq in the cancellation area, plus delayed by the distance between the drivers, with the delay being applied to the speaker closer to the zone, then put that speaker out of phase, and voila, cancellation. Obviously it is no where near perfect, but the results can be quite stunning. For example, I live in a typical ranch house with a FROG where my sound system is. On the opposite end of the house, my wife would text me and tell me that the pictures on the wall in baby’s room were rattling. Then she would tell me that the kitchen appliances were also rattling, just on the other side of the wall from the FROG. Using my setup, I have cancelled sub frequencies by around 10-15 dB in that area. The results are both astounding and spooky. I can simply walk behind the subs to the top of the stairs and it seems tha the sub have been turned off. Science. Stay in school kids. The idea is to optimize sub frequencies in front of your subs and cancel as much as possible behind, but then there are variables such as walls and floors and ceiling to take into account t but experiment and you will get great results. That’s what we do in concert situations but a scaled down.
Learn that in school did ya?
My neighbor said stuff was rattling off her shelves from my bass 😁
I was just planning to get 1 pb4000 but I live in hk and living in condo.. but the worst thing is my parents can't take the loud boomy bass..so made me feel more shit as I can't get even pb1000 cos I can't even use it cos of my parents n cos I live in condo..fuking feeling shit about it
I understand the frustration. I'd like to live in the middle of nowhere so I can blast it at 4am if I want, but I have to keep it civil.
I'm sure this won't help the way you feel right now, but patience and determination usually pays off. When you get your own place, keep your future home theater system in mind. Hopefully you can find some digs that allow you to go nuts with it.
I understand your current frustration though. It's good to respect your coinhabitants, whether it's your parents, neighbors, or pets. It's not worth it if your system causes conflict.
Subwoofer 101 yes sir ur absolutely right I'll save n see the future .. once I get my own thing like living near the forest then I'll blast it for real
Thank You I have had neighbour's knock and tell me buy 🎧 headphones 😭
Great stuff.Im easy going quiet guy:)),but apartment above me,theres elephant living there.He walks around and all i hear is bang ,bang ,like from bass speaker instead this is just from way he walks.I have asked him callmed it down a bit.Nothing changed.This is war now!
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How to attached subwoofer to the ceeling so i teach him a lesson?Obviously i do not want disturbe others just him.
What way i get best bass sound and vibrations through the ceeling so he goes insane?
Which way should the speaker be placed?I know its crazy,but still better than be arrested for kicking his arse.:))
Byt Chrenova we have rude guy renting our basement that’s doin this. He’s been asked to leave. Get a top floor or don’t complain. He prob think we stomp around, but we were the ones trying not to offend the entitled pos. Until you can afford to live by yourself or top floor, stfu
So if it's just one person who watches movies and sits in the "sweet spot" would two subs benefit him? "Him" lives in a house
If I were to live alone the rest of my life and never have another visitor, I would still go dual personally. That may go against the grain from what many would recommend, but splitting the budget for duals would be my choice. I went back to a single for about a week, and I really missed duals. Even if I could get it tuned just perfectly for my position, it doesn't give me the response I want. Seat to seat response is just an added benefit to me, the biggest benefit to me is being able to hear all of the bass. With a single its like parts of the bass are missing. I call it Swiss Cheese Bass, which is from the standing wave. Duals knock down the standing wave, and I really missed it when I only had the single.
Cardioid placement
another good trick is to revers the phase of one of the subs (most have a phase switch on the back now days) I have one sub myself and it's right in front of me, hell ya. literally in the middle in front of me
video blows... Turn it down? how does that help? Helps you have no more bass in your life but just pretend you do instead?
You still get full extention, just lower dynamics. With Denon's LFC, you don't get the low end at all, it's like not running subs.
With this method you can still hear down to 20 hertz, there's just less bleed over to neighboring apartments. Still sounds full, just not as powerful.
Great Video, Condo rule No sound from condo 10Pm to 8Am. I checked My PB1000's gain was at 2pm changed it to 10Am ish. 8 clicks up. AVR SW output +6dB.I find My peaks around 75 to 80dB for movies. I only hear TV from above Me Sometimes and it sucks, But I'm glad they do not have a sound system.So I use Headphones or small speakers at night. Prime Movie time is week days 11Am to around 4Pm. I have never ran auto EQ on My old Denon 3805 just level match speakers with meter. Will do that in 2017. Happy holiday's everyone.
75 or 80db max. To quite. That is for bedtime. We make sure to only rent to people ok with sound so it isn't an issue. The guy upstair from me is able to crank his when I crank mine and we don't hear each other. I couldn't live somewhere I can't have my 105db peaks.
My last 2 apt. had no limits, I miss that. Enjoy Your Peaks.
Nice, good point about community rules. Does the change from 2Pm on the dial to 10 Am seem good for you? I'm curious to get feedback from those who live with it. Happy Holidays Toby!
Hadn't considered different places having different limits. Could change the way you apartment shop!
Buying an isolation pad now!
What works for me is
Have Russian neighbors that don't speak a lick of English
Good information! Thanks!
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Subwoofers in apartments are like nuclear weapons, in that once one person has one, everyone wants one, and once everybody has one, your all fucked.
Smith and Wesson.
A little less diplomatic, and I would have to assume more likely to lead to eviction, and likely a conviction as well. A noise complaint at the very least.
Don’t do this in shared housing. No matter how perfect the set up is . Buy/rent a house and set up your sub as you please
Nah, people are way to selfish for that. End if the day anyone who has a bass set up and lives in an apartment complex is nothing but selfish scum and i enjoy getting them kicked out for nuisance noise 🤗
@@markroyds23 You buy a lot of tires don't you Mark.
The best thing you can do is to purchase a pair of audiophile quality headphones. I can watch SCIENCE FICTION movies and listen to any kind of music late at night. My neighbors are out during the day so my subwoofer does not bother them. I would recommend headphone companies like AKG BEYER AUDEZE SENNHEISER OPPO etc.
Headphones would be less intrusive for sure for late night listening.
Except this video is about subs and the experience that comes with that, which headphones are lacking.
Best thing is moving into a house... Already got sennheiser HD650 , nothing compares to proper subs :(
Turn down the gain. Use isolation feet.
I had that problem I just got rid of the neighbours lol
tips on being a better neighbor dong get pissed to easy
that's why I live in a condo than a apartment
Still shared walls though?
Subwoofer 101 Theres brick in between the walls. I have a neighbor with a home theater set and I can barely hear it.
I live in a condo that's made up of concrete throughout and my neighbor beside me is separated by a 10 foot air gap and 2 walls made of cinderblock. Can't hear a thing. My neighbors downstairs though have hardwood floors. I can't hear their voices, tv, or stereo (unless they're having a loud party), but I can hear furniture moving on the floor clear as day. I hope to move to a house soon and get 2 sb-16 ultras to play as loud as I want.
Some people are luckier than others. Office Space comes to mind.
Subwoofer 101 like to ask advice pls I only have one sub at moment I'm using the LFE from subwoofer 1 output. but my amp has 2 subwoofer outs and my dali ef12 has left and right inputs what is better for me to use LFE only or both left and right. I have 2 qed signature subwoofer cables but only using 1 lol other was for my second subwoofer sometime this year. thanks
Tip one, turn the volume down.. Lmao
If you have a subwoofer and live in an apartment, you’re a
Not! Some advice buy a house asap! Not to be a d but you will thank me later.
anyone going to say it, it's volume not gain
Why would you rent an apartment with that equipment? You are the neighbor from hell. Do you really need that equipment to fully enjoy your music? Nobody should be subjected to another’s music. I guarantee you that the music you love sucks for a lot of other people. Why don’t you be considerate and use headphones??
Get a house