What If... The Pac-16 Was Formed?
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- Опубліковано 4 гру 2023
- We're all tired of the Pac-12 fallout by now, especially those of us in Beaver or Cougar country. It's yet another symptom of college sports being run by despotic suits at ESPN or FOX or university athletic departments, harming years of tradition---sometimes a hundred years or more of tradition---just to make a couple more million dollars at the end of the year. Much has been said about the Pac-12's inability to escape its own demise, and one of the most prominent ways it could have done this was by adding Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado back in 2011.
But what if that move had been made? What if, instead of backing out, Texas had decided that the Pac-16 was a viable option? Would we see Larry Scott as a genius instead of having a curse word put in front of his name forevermore? What would have happened to those Big 12 teams that were left behind? What about the SEC? Big 10? ACC? Come on, somebody please think about the Big East!
In this video, I make my prediction about what would have happened had the Pac-16 superconference came to be. As it's simply an exercise in thought, and the future would have been impossible to predict due to the butterfly effect, my prediction here is only one possibility. I'd love to hear your thoughts and predictions on what would have happened below.
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Honestly, regionally it'd make more sense if this happened. The teams going to the midwest or east coast conferences makes NO sense.
As an Oklahoma State fan, I like that you mentioned our university and our tragic 2011 season. Very cool video! But I’m glad the Big 12 is still around today
Not to mention that Oklahoma State is number 4 in the amount of National Championships.
Ummm, what about Houston? The PAC 12 had talks with them after they added Utah, if my memory serves. If TAMU was in doubt, or left the PAC for the SEC then Houston would have been a likely next call
Houston trash
It would be Kansas or Utah not Houston.
This video is 10 of why the PAC expansion fell thru and 10 more minutes of "it's impossible to tell what would've happened"
Houston. 😂😂😂😂😂. They weren’t a thought to anybody.
If-TAMU-had-not-gone-to-the-PAC16-then-Colorado-wouldve-been-the-next-choice....The-PAC10-wanted-Colorado-over-Baylor-to-begin-withbut-were-being-forced-to-take-Baylor-in-order-to-get-the-other-3-Texas-schools-to-come...
I can't say I'm shocked the Pac-12 died. I used to work at a telecom call center where I mostly took calls from PAC areas (Arizona, Colorado, Washington, etc.) We didn't carry the Pac-12 network. Customers were always very confused when I told them, and I was just as confused as they were. I don't know who's fault it was tbh
As a Baylor fan I am happy that the big 12 survives but I hate that the regionaloty and tradition of college football is dead.
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I liked the concept, the pac 12 really was a very balanced conference, I think we all knew one of the power five conferences were set to die. Too bad the conference cannibalized itself yet again
Very interesting video. I think Houston and UCF go to the Big East instead of the Big 12 in this timeline. Houston's goal is to compete in the best basketball conference, and UCF solidifies the Big East in Florida. BYU replaces A&M when the Aggies move to the SEC. I also wonder on how the other conferences like the ACC react.
Yep, when Oliver Luck was putting together the Big East/Big 12 merger Houston and UCF were part of the package. That was something that we had heard here in Cincinnati and then it came out publicly. In the end Cincinnati, Houston and UCF came out much better in this new Big 12 superconference but that Big East superconference would have also have been awesome.
With a 16 team PAC, I think the Big Ten would have further moved to add Kansas and Mizzou when they added Rutgers and Maryland to also get to 16. They would know they’d need to act before the SEC did. Alternatively, if the SEC already took Mizzou, they would have probably aimed for UVA/UNC. The ACC would not be in a great position if this played out, likely causing them to also raid the new look Big East/American like they did in real life.
The B1G did aim for UVA/UNC. They missed and ended up with RUT/MARYLAND.
Dunno, after the snub FSU got, ACC could be in some trouble
Texas drove everyone off. I had really thought that nobody stepped up enough to help out UT and OU. But I’m kinda of the mind now the longhorns really held a lot of us back, following their own interests. I mean that’s their job can’t really blame them.
Texas and to a lesser extent OU were two schools keeping B12 together, and were the only revenue drawers as these two schools had a national tv presence. As easy as it is to hate Texas, Texas was the reason the B12 existed and persisted as long as it did. Texas, warts and all is what keep the old Big-8 viable until today. Be Thankful...
@@amars7941 thankful for what 😂. Texas ran off half the conference with their demands and failed networks. Then decided they couldn’t be the big dog in the conf and ran to the SEC’s arms lol. At least A&M was original when they did it.
@@nickinportlandat least Texas actually won a championship and did more than most big 12 teams did in 20 years. Foh. Stop being man bc Texas actually cares about its university and sports. If it was such a problem your school should’ve had its own network also. Don’t be mad bc Texas did it and everyone couldn’t.
@@nickinportlandalso if it really was a problem then how come Texas gave up their Network to join the SEC if it was such a big disgrace to everyone? Sounds like y’all don’t know how business works. Don’t be mad at UT for making money.
TCU has won more playoff games than texas has in the four team playoff.@@tyreek.6815
Moral of the story to hell with Texas
I think the Pac-16 has a higher chance of forming in the mid 2010s. If you didn't know Fox almost merged with Warner Bros back in 2014. If that had happened TNT sports would've moved all their content to FS1 and FS2 which would have made a formidable opponent to ESPN. A combined Fox and Warner Bros would've been the biggest media company in the world at that point. I know for a fact that Murdoch and co would have tried to pull some strings to try and have this conference expand again.
Dude I have been watching all of your videos. There is no way you only have 7k subscribers. Your video essays rival those of people that are 100x bigger than you. Great work man!
I agree. Just found him and subbed. He puts a lot of effort into his videos with all the graphics while a lot of other FB utubers just have their heads on camera.
Missouri and KU couldve been GREAT Big Ten fits instead of MD and Rutgers, just saying
The original goal of the expansion that ended with MD/RUT was quality east coast teams for PSU.
adding to tarheel here, it was also media markets. The Big 10 considered the NYC and DC media markets as more important to add than the KC market, which Nebraska already had a claim to. If culture and athletics had anything to do with expansion in 2014, they wouldn't have added Rutgers
@@lukeontheplains From my researching that B1G expansion, the original and sole goal was quality east coast schools. Only after (in compas order) UVA, UNC & GATECH all passed (at least), the B1G moved on to eventually MD/RUT. Since they were considered less sexy additions, "markets" was added to the goals to help get the expansion approved.
Objections to the MARYLAND move were expected to be so heavy, that the deal was done with extreme secrecy inside the administration. Nevertheless, the athletic department had been so mismanaged financially (which apparently continues), that MD had to make the change or start to drastically cut some sponsored sports. Oddly, it appears that MD sponsors the same number of sports today than then, even with the increase in revenue.
This begs the question: What if MARYLAND had not left the ACC, since that is what resulted in the GOR and long-term contracts. I maintain that the death of the PAC was the result of demo/cultural changes in the footprint. The likely death of the ACC will be from that overreaction to the MD departure.
@@lukeontheplains Culture-wise, Rutgers is a perfect fit for the B1G. The B1G had interest in Rutgers going back to the early 90s when the league was in talks with Penn State. It was rumored 2010 that Rutgers would be added as the 12th team until Nebraska unexpectedly offered itself to the B1G. Rutgers is a cultural fit as it is a land Grant and a large state school. Rutgers is a R1 research school and an AAU members. The exact requirements the B1G is always looking for in its members. When it comes to athletics, there is some truth to it. But now they are in the B1G, Rutgers is investing into their athletics and you're starting to see results. What most from outside of the B1G don't understand was the commissioner ( Jim Delaney) of the B1G was a Jersey guy even back in the early 90s when it was said Rutgers was being considered for the B1G after Penn State entered the conference.
@@tarheel7406 You have some back info.
As a Tech fan I wish they had grown a spine and made a move, but I suspect PAC12 only wanted the Horns with the extras so we were not attractive enough. I totally get it, but much like ATM leaving I would have preferred Tech done the same. Appreciate the video.
Hey man, recently discovered your channel, your content is excellent. I was wondering if you could make a video on the timeline of texas a&m and their long term admiration of the SEC. Keep up the good work man you’re bound to go viral soon.
One of my favorite things to do with the NCAA football games is make my own confidences and play as one of the teams in dynasty.
The LHN is the reason for everything ever LOL
There was no invitation to the Pac for OU, OSU, and Tech once Texas backed out of the deal. Their offers were contingent on Texas coming.
Also TCU and West Virginia were not invited until the next year after aTm and Missouri announced they were departing.
My favorite possible outcome to think about - mainly because I had been wanting it to happen for some time by 2011 especially with Boise State announcing their movement to the Mountain West when they still had BYU, Utah and TCU - is that nobody adds BYU, TCU and Utah, and the Mountain West adds Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii and Nevada who were all perenial WAC powerhouses and top 25 mainstays at the time, and with the Big East well on their way out as a power 6, the MWC takes their place. Sadly a long shot seeing as how the powers that be had already decided that the MWC no matter how many great teams they added was one of the have-nots that they were determined to keep in their place however they could, but there's no denying a conference with those 7 teams - plus pretty decent middle of the pack teams like Wyoming, CSU, Air Force and (at that time) New Mexico, with San Diego State trending the way they were and maybe Utah State asba 14th team trending the way they were - would have been a conference easily competing at a power 5 level. Sure it would have had UNLV and, frankly, New Mexico trending the way they were, but then again the SEC has Vanderbilt and the Big 10 has Rutgers, so.....
Best NCAA UA-camr Hands down.
The original big 12 was awesome I always liked it and hated when it started breaking up
Concur
Texas A&M would always go to the SEC and away from Texas. Unfortunately, Texas followed 10 years later with their hat in their hand...and that is when the SEC died (it just doesn't know that adding Texas just killed it).
I don't think the Big 12 and Big East merger happens - if the PAC-16 becomes a thing, the urge for the other big conferences to become 16 teams would be immense. In my hypothetical, the B1G and SEC rush to get to 16 teams, meaning the ACC (and Big 12 leftovers) ends up getting raided, and the remains of it and the Big East end up merging, leading to something like this:
B1G adds Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri
SEC adds Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Texas A&M
PAC-12 adds Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Utah
ACC: Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, South Florida + Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, plus 2 more schools (perhaps Memphis and UCF?)
The "Catholic Seven" plus Notre Dame off to form the new Big East
Iowa State, Kansas State, Baylor end up getting screwed and joining a G5 conference, whether it be MWC, C-USA or MAC.
If the ACC is scattering like that, the B1G goes after UVA, UNC, GATECH & maybe DUKE and then plugs among your named four.
The SEC likely goes for UNC & UVA as well and then decides among VATECH, NCSTATE, CLEMSON, FSU & TXAM. No interest in MIAMI.
That PAC doesn't need or want TXTECH and TXAM may be content in a PAC that can't be controlled by TEXAS.
17:02 Kansas would've also gotten to play a surging Villanova team in-conference which would've added more intensity to the Kansas-Villanova rivalry in March.
It's also possible that Villanova would've moved up to FBS and joined the Big East Conference as full members
Agree with my predictions? Disagree? What do you think would have happened if the Pac-16 had been formed?
The pac 10 was so incompetent they would have still figured out a way to screw it up. If some of the schools had been agreeable to uneven revenue distribution it would have had a greater chance.
Wasn’t UT and A&M looking at going to the Pac 10 back in the 1980s or 1990s?
@@njdevilku1340 that’s right! Good memory! Pac 10 should have done anything they could to make that happen. I’m so glad to be out of the Pac 10. They even get our future football schedules out faster.
As a lifelong OSU fan, a PAC-16 with Oklahoma State could have legitimately changed the Cowboys' future forever. A year or more of dominance would have catapulted us over the moon to be one of the best college football teams of the decade. We probably would have fallen off within a couple years as everybody else stepped up their game, but it would really have given us a chance to shine, plus all the other legendary matchups that could have come with a PAC that loaded. Dalukes videos are still PEAK football content btw
Bro… imagine the 2011 team getting to play all those schools… 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I hate Texas so much
Very interesting conference realignment "What if?" video by Lukas. I think if the Pac-16 actually happened, and if Texas and the other schools went to this newly formed "Pac-16," college sports as we know would've changed dramatically. And in more ways than one.
One question for you, Luke: Have you considered doing a video on what would've happened if Penn State joined the Big East? If you actually did a video on this already, I apologize for forgetting. But I'd be very interested on seeing your thoughts about Penn State joining the Big East back in the day, or if Joe Paterno had successfully formed an East Coast Conference. But again, great job, and please keep up the great work.
If Penn State did join the big east, that conference would include most of their “rivals”. WVU, Syracuse, and Pitt are their most played OOC games if I remember correctly.
Tbh I think penn state some how would have driven out the basketball only schools. It might might have been the better than the ACC.
this was indeed one of the dumbest business decisions a conference has ever made..had they taken those, no PAC school leaves and their TV deal would be on par with the SEC and BIG..but, they thought they were too good, they were too uppity and foolish enough to think TV providers cares about academics
Good work, there should be any kind of West Coast concentrated conference. Maybe a division in a conference.
I think the Pac-16 would've gone to pods years before it was widely kicked around in realignment talks. With the 4 PNW schools and the 4 Cali schools, they could've put ASU, U of A, CU and TTU together and then OU, OSU, UT and A&M to round it out
At that time I’m not sure that Texas or A&M would ditch Tech for OSU. Also a pod of Tech, Colorado, Arizona & ASU would have been interesting. My guess is Tech would have won that pod every year.
@@davidfloyd9134Agreed
As late as 2019-2021, the PAC could have added Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech but they would have had to figure out a way to fold or share the Longhorn Network. That was the stumbling block. And while travel would be an issue, a system of four 4-team pods would have minimized that. Imagine a Southwest pod of those four schools, a Mountain pod of Arizona, Arizona St., Colorado and Utah, a Pacific North pod of Oregon, Oregon St., Washington and Washington St. then a Pacific South pod of Cal, Stanford, UCLA and USC. That's three annual rivalries plus one other full pod for football and one opponent from the two remaining pods based on previous year's finish, like the NFL does. They'd be in three time zones and make their footprint almost everything west of the Red River.
Sometimes, I wish this scenario happened in real life. The only negative is we would have two OSU’s with the same color scheme 🟠⚫️ in the same conference.
I’ll bet, the Pac10 would be happy to take Texas and The Longhorn network if they had known how it would eventually play out. Stanford and Cal especially seeing that they are only 1/2 share members of the ACC now.
One adds TEXAS with a plan to stop any poison. One doesn't add TEXAS with a poison already in effect.
To many of the PAC’s Universities were to willing to follow Stanfords lead. The Big12 just got rid of the UT and their heavy handedness, why invite Stanford and their arrogance. Cal is Stanford’s useful idiot. The PAC struck out twice when trying to add Big12 teams. Because of Stanford and their arrogance, there is no more PAC and they get the pleasure of sending there teams across country just to play a conference game. I guess that was well played.
@@billj8513 The-powers-that-be-in-the-Pac12-are-a-bunch-of-idiots...The-conference-TV-money-shouldve-been-doled-out-based-on-who-was-important-to-keep-in-the-league.....USC,UCLA,Oregon-needed-bigger-pieces-of-the-pie-at-the-expense-of-schools-like-OregonSt-and-WashingtonSt
All about that media revenue, great video!
The video would probably be long asf but you should do a video on conference realignment since 1984
Not sure if you mentioned it or not in the video but I thought there was a period when the south 6 was in talks about going to the pac, ISU KU Kstate and MU were applying for big 10 membership incase the conference fell through
Love these videos!
I miss the old pac 12
A&M was very angry being viewed as merely UT's travel buddy and was opposed to joining the PAC. They would have split for the SEC regardless. But just replace them with Utah and all this still mostly works.
4:17 Oregon never became a powerhouse in football until Chip Kelly arrived. And even then, all they did was win a few Rose Bowls.
Not to mention a few hundred million dollars from Uncle Phil Knight to build their national brand. Without that, University of Oregon would probably be in the same boat as Washington State and Oregon State.
you should do a video on history of the wac conference, and do a video on some FCS schools (Missouri Valley Football Conference)
The problem was the unequal revenue distribution. If it just worked out that way like every single other conference does. As a Tech is sucks that we pretty much lost every rival we had except maybe TCU and Baylor. Now before anyone tells me they were never rivals they were to Tech at least.
TCU will never replace Texas or A&M. Tech has literally lost every rival they truly care about. ESPN/Disney has destroyed college sports.
@@davidfloyd9134 TCU still has Baylor though
I know I'm six months late but as a Baylor fan I feel you. Texas and TAMU might not have been rivals from their point of view but they were from ours.
I feel like this is the better timeline for college sports. The Big 12 dying sucks, but at least here you’d have 3 remotely regional super leagues in the PAC-16, Big Ten, and SEC, and then a truly nationalwide super conference of B-list teams in the Big East (akin to what the Big 12 will be next year). The ACC probably gets screwed in this timeline, but they’re screwed anyway in our current timeline down the road anyway. I’d much rather have what I described above then what we will have: Only 2 megaconferences, 1 of which making no geographical sense.
Under the actual timeline, after the TX/OK news the only chance for a peer P3 was the ACC surviving with a new peer media deal. Nevertheless, rolling back the clock and with proper realignment, a peer P3 built around the PAC, B1G and SEC would have made more sense,
Given actual demo trends, that alternate P3 SEC would still have eventually and clearly passed the other 2. That P3 PAC would have the State of Texas to hedge against those trends, but that P3 B1G would remain stagnant. That P3 SEC would have Virginia (maybe Maryland) down to Florida over to the Texas border.
Do a video on teams who tried to join the SEC in the past!
What this video left out is Texas wanted Baylor instead of Colorado but the pac doesn’t like religious schools so they took Colorado to force Texas hand and it backfired.
Texas didn't care about Baylor. They didn't want Baylor in the Big12, but were forced to take them because the governor of Texas was a Baylor alum and threatened to rain holy hell on them if they didn't include Baylor. What killed Texas to the Pac was mainly the coaches revolting at the idea of playing so much on the west coast, two time zones away. The Longhorn Network was an impediment, but probably could have been worked out. The two issues together just wasn't going to let it happen.
@@mph7282 Texas cared because of politics and yes wanted to bring as many Texas schools along for the time zone issue you mentioned. Once the pac said no to Baylor it was a wrap
It should have been noted in this video that Missouri is actually the school that kicked off wandering eyes. Back in 2010, the Missouri school president made public statements that the school viewed itself as a better fit in the Big 10 vs the Big 12. When that started to get traction, Nebraska stepped in and convinced the Big 10 that they would deliver more TVs than Missouri, and they ultimately got the invite.
Also, it is worth noting that the Pac12 pushed back against Texas Tech as a member, due to their academic rankings. It was leaked at the time that the Pac 12 said there was a "Tech" problem. That, combined with A&M "weighing" options with the SEC as you noted, it slowed the PAC 16 train down to a crawl.
I've read that MO talking out of school caused the B1G to retract an invite. Your comment seems to support that.
A PAC 16 would have been the best conference in the nation with Texas, OU, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech. The Longhorns and Hollywood are a perfect match. Blame it on the Aggies.
what if....the football committee managed to pull a success playoff system in early years, March Madness style (possibly killing the bowl games like MM killing the NIT).
My WSU cougs would still be in a power conference 😢
Texas ruins every conference they join. First the southwest then the big 12. They would not share revenue and would not get rid of their network for a conference network. They just thought they were better than everyone else. If the big 12 would have taken any other team then Texas they would still be together today. But after a few years with Texas most teams were ready to do anything to get away from them. Colorado Nebraska Missouri Texas A&M Left when they got the chance. Why wouldn't they with Texas and OU flirting with every other conference for years. As a Missouri fan and I'm sure most A&M fans are not happy we our stuck with Texas again. I think the SEC should have takin Kansas, K-ST or Oklahoma St and left Texas out. Thank goodness the SEC is to big for Texas to push around. They need to let them know we don't need you as much as you need us. It's going to be fun watching them get smacked around in the SEC.
Long live Budke!
Selling subscriptions will never become a business model of success for college football. If they had gone west, there would just be a larger number of expansion teams this coming year. Poor management can’t be fixed by just adding more Universities.
I wanna see Tulsa jump up to power 5 play, like what would have to happen for them to find a spot in the SEC or other conference.
Yea put Akron in there too while you’re at it
They would get smashed fam
What about the WAC and Mountain West?
i remember old texas tech coach Spike Dykes saying he was having lunch with the Texas coach at the time Mac Brown and Mac got phone call from a Texas official saying everyone was going to the pac 12.
The central issue is TV viewership, and was so in 2011. Playing in the Pacific time zone against West Coast teams simply is less appealing. They know that now, and knew it then.
The P16 could have extended the life of the P12 for a while, but their own mismanagement would have likely brought them down in the end. Maybe the B12 schools would have corrected their course and fired Larry Scott. Regardless, the P16 would been an improvement.
You got a twitter? If not you should promote your vids on there. CFB twitter would eat this up if they knew abt it
No one talks about this. I believe the SEC was in talks with Oklahoma as well. When Texas stayed, they took Mizzou instead
From everything I’ve read, yes there was some talks between Oklahoma & the SEC prior to Missouri getting the invite from the SEC.
I miss the regional rivalries of the 1980s.
the ending tripped me out thinking i accidentally boosted the play speed😭
So glad we didn't do this move as a OU fan we just fit better in the SEC
Like that concept but here another possibility. What if this happened and they expanded to a 6 team playoff instead of the missey 4 team we got. I Believe they originally designed the 4 team concept since they were wanting the Big 12 to go Away. If Texas, Texas A&M, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma St went to the Pac your playoff picture looks closer to the ACC, Big 10, Pac 16 and SEC definitely and a second super Coferences with games around New York, Pittsburgh and South Florida and the Kansas area with Texas hold overs. There might have excellerated to a 6 to 12 team playoff sooner.
2013 TCU and Baylor weren't allow into playoff for the stupid no-championship game. And in 2023 Florida State vs Alabama in the first round of playoffs, Georgia vs Texas in the First round and Washington and Michigan would have the At large bid for byes
You have A&M twice.
Only thing I learned in this video is Texas ruined everything. They want to run CFB. Oklahoma carried this conference for a long time. Texas until this past year has done nada. Wished Oklahoma stayed in the big XII. I fear the Nebraska factor with them in the sec. They’ll be lost. More money but doesn’t winning feel better? Nebraska and Oklahoma back to the Big XII.
10:34 Had OK State been a bigger brand name in college football, or if an actual CFB brand like Oklahoma had been in OK-State's position in 2011, Alabama does not get heir rematch vs LSU in the 2011 BCS National Championship Game in New Orleans.
Honestly I think Kansas is a better grab for the KC market. Lawrence is damn near part of the Kansas City metro. Ngl I see as much if not more Nebraska supporters in KC than mizzou.
Southwest Conference 2.0…these five plus Baylor, TCU, and Arkansas.
I wish the ended happened before big 12 took Houston, ucf and cincy. I would have loved to have Oregon state and wazzu. Just to travel there.
WHAT IF: Texas Tech and Okie State joins the SEC, keeping the Texas and Oklahoma schools somewhat together?
Or just schedule each other in non conference games lol
The vid's "what if" came close to actually happening. Maybe, possibly the SEC could have added OKSTATE, but not TXTECH from what I understand.
I think Texas Tech and OSU will be on the rise in the conference and that in a few years, they could probably switch to the SEC if the Big 12 doesn’t work out
As a longhorn fan this the realignment I always wanted.
Try to imagine how Tech fans feel. They lost their two biggest rivals, Texas & A&M.
Fact is UT & Tech have almost always worked together. A few examples below.
- It UT who pushed & sponsored Texas Tech to join the SWC in 1956.
- UT supported Tech opening law school. (founded 1967) 50 years before A&Ms.
- UT supported Tech Medical School (founded 1969). 9 years before A&M.
- In 2010/11. It was UT that told the Big10 & PAC10 that they would not join if Tech didn’t come to.
- Just this year 2023 both Tech & UT joined Permian Strategic Partnership. A&M not invited.
I could go on how much UT & Tech have work together but it doesn’t matter. The irreparable damaged done by ESPN & SEC has destroyed a 70 plus year relationship.
@@davidfloyd9134 18:16
David, as a graduate of Texas Tech University undergraduate program and Medical School, I agree entirely with your comments! I have never been more disappointed in the portrayal of UT as the problem, and always believed that it was A&M that thought too highly of itself, that was the cause of this terrible breakdown. I just found this site and your comment and thought I would share my thoughts to you. I hope UT and TTU will find a way to get some games in the future.
John Tyler Jr MD
Never forget the 16 team super WAC
this wouldve saved college football imo it creates a balanced big four if sec and big 10 scooped up other teams
To be honest. If the BIG XII North had join the BIG EAST in this video time line. I can see Memphis & UCF join the BIG EAST.
With Larry Scott in charge and that Pac12 network disaster, the Big 12 schools would bail to the SEC!
If the start up leagues are going after the wrong opponent with all the changing going on in college it might maybe somebody gets in the transfer portal into the XFL
Let's be real here. No matter what, it's always about 1. Money and 2. Football
Woulda been nice if the big 12 just stuck together . As an sec fan I got respect for our newcomers but it dilutes our identity
Iowa state Kansas and Kstate could've easily joined the Big10. They'd need 1 more for 16 tho. Missouri? If they don't go SEC?
That would have been a good conference, but ut isn't team player. For the Big 12 everything worked out, especially since the PAC 12 didn't expand in 2021 and its commissioner created an awful TV contract by trying to create its own network vs partnering with either ESPN or Fox Sports.
If this timeline happened, we wouldn't have "American Tribalism: Team Spirit - Are Sports Fans Crazy?" in our recommended which led us to the greatest community of all time dalukes.
Interesting video…
BTW… you have the University of Tennessee logo instead of the University of Texas
The UT is one of Texas’ logos
PAC16 would have been than Big10 or SEC by miles.
I’m greatful that this never happened. Although it would have been a great conference. I’m a Utah fan and if the PAC didn’t give the Utes a chance to join the conference. Our football team would never Be where it is today.
I'm a houston fan and I'm glad that this didn't happen so we could make the big 12 (btw in the big 12 next year)
Why? Nobody wants to watch games at 10:00 central time must less play in stadiums half full.
My prediction.....the ACC will dissolve and low & behold both Stanford & Cal will join the Pac2.
This would have destroyed OU football. The original plan was for OU (boosters, fan base) to be the silent partner to go with Texas A&M to go to the SEC as we were fed up with Texas too, but former OU president David Boren politically stonewalled the move because OSU didn't have a home awaiting them in the SEC.
OU kept the Big XII afloat only to serve their interests of waiting David Boren to retire, then waiting until the GOR was about to expire to leave.
David Boren's vision for OU was to get admission into the PAC or Big 10. The PAC did what they did and the Big 10 wouldn't take OU without Texas, who didn't want to play games in Big 10 country.
For the record, I don't my Heels regularly playing games in B1G country.
Scott should be in jail how he messed up the PAC-12
~06:03 A well respected academic force? OK? By PAC standards? OK would have been one of a BIG12 bloc to the PAC, but not for academic reasons.
The PAC12 going into this current real-world realignment was a clear #3 academically. Adding strong TEXAS and TXAM with relatively weak OK & OKSTATE would not have changed that position.
If realistically the the PAC-16 formed is think Utah would be interested of Texas A&M due to the fact they didn’t want to with Texas. The sec would be the same. The big 10, sec, Acc would be the same. But the big 12 would exist. What most likely happen is that the remaining school go to the big east due to them have A.Q status. The big east still louse teams to the acc and B1G due to the media rights deal they have. They would look for replacement west and it would be Bosie state and BYU. They would have taken TCU like they did in real life and also taken basketball only school Loyloa. This would keep the big east together until the next media deal. Like the basketball only would have a problem with the football only school. For the PAC they gotten a good media deal with just with Utah and Colorado. They deal with Texas, tech, Oklahoma, osu would be massive. But it would still get mismanaged. I still think USC and UCLA would leave for the B10 due to what happen IRL and Texas could play a huge role. So the PAC would replace the with sdsu and tcu. With the big east basketball schools taking the big east name, also UConn comes with them. So I think the football schools become the American conference and try to salvage their deal with the cfl if they can buy adding schools, Ucf, smu, Ecu,Csu, Memphis. If they can’t then byu would go independent, Bsu would go to the mountain-west, they would add schools form the C-USA. For the future the I seeing the sec still get Texas and Oklahoma but later on. The American would be a g5 or P5 base on when the schools split.
$$$$$$…that’s why it was not a thought.
I thought Baylor was tied to Texas.
It was gonna happen but Texas messed up Tv deal
Notre dame would switch to the football side
I mean ye tht conference championship in 2010 was bs there was no time left but magically 3 seconds were added to win on a chip shit horns down GBR!!
This video is 10 of why the PAC expansion fell thru and 10 more minutes of "it's impossible to tell what would've happened"
real
Oregon would smoke everyone with Mariota and them
In hindsight, Texas made a huge mistake. I mean yeah they are in the SEC beginning next year but I think the last decade would have gone a lot better if they joined the Pac.
Demography is destiny. I would maintain that this PAC16 would have delayed the depletion, but even this PAC16 would not have ultimately survived as a peer major. Remember, even the intact real timeline PAC12 couldn't get a peer Tier 1 media deal and the PAC10 couldn't get a peer Tier 2 if the BIG12 got one as well.
In this alternate history, I suspect USC/UCLA still move to the B1G but later than they actually did with what happens to the others a more open question, especially TX, OK & TXAM.
What happens in the ACC and SEC likely depends on where TEXAS and its coattailed go. Regardless, I'd guess it could still poach this hodgepodge BIGEAST as wanted.
i think a good media deal would be a lot easier to negotiate when you also have blue bloods like texas and oklahoma.
@@UserName-ts3sp Doesn't overcome the demo and cultural changes on the west coast, on top of the bad time slots for games.
Corporate media money is destroying college football!!!
As a Mizzou fan the best thing we did was leave the BIG12 and go to the SEC …better recruits and more talent and it force you to step ya recruiting game up