SLIP TEST - 4MATIC vs 4MOTION - Mercedes C200 vs Volkswagen Arteon -
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- Опубліковано 25 січ 2019
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Mercedes W205 C200 4Matic (2017)
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Volkswagen Arteon 2.0 TDI 4Motion (2018)
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Thank you so much for doing these tests. I have looked everywhere for years for something exactly like this, and now you are doing it. Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks! It was a little surprise that 4Matic failed the last test.
Agreed since it is slightly RWD biased with its AWD system.
4matic system just use break to breaking the spinning wheel
I did notice something though, and it's that 4matic requires constant throttle to kick in when there's very little traction (such as only one wheel), and in this test, I get the impression that throttle was released when the tires began spinning, and wasn't allowed enough time to react. All the same, that doesn't take away from the fact it should be more responsive and 4motion is clearly superior
@@travsformation1 That was the system cutting the throttle. You can see similar behaviour in many Benz cars, for example: ua-cam.com/video/3bJ6JOQR2C4/v-deo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Damn it! I preferred to think it was the driver's mistake. F****ing 4matic! They really need to improve this!
Thanks for the reply and the videos!
I like this test!
Vw ARTEON! WOW!
Please, Acura MDX second generation from 2007 on test!
It will be hard to find it...
😞 Maybe some Acura after 2007 with SH-AWD
Won't be long before manufacturers run these tests themselves during the development cycle. Perhaps like dieselgate, the software will detect the test condition and optimise accordingly?
So.. 4WD systems will be very good in hardest conditions if They pass 3 rollers test.
@@zepter00 4WD systems will be very good as long as manufacturers don't just game the 3 rollers test, the way they gamed the diesel emissions testing.
Sir Gregory diesle gate iż nóg a true problem .. it was dony because America car industry cant fight with modern European cars and EU want to enforce norms whhich are almost imposible to pass by all of the car manufactures.
@@zepter00 Yes, I understand your point, emissions is a complex issue.
Are the wheels and tires same size? That matters.
Nope but the difference of position in rollers is about 1-2 mm.
I think the 4motion and the subaru traction are on top of the others.
U mean subaru and quattro?
Quattro and 4motion are the same. Because Audi is basically made by VW.
@@lihlesasa6236 Unfortunately not the case; VW use a haldex system while Audi use torsen. Some Audi cars use the haldex system like the Q3 and A3 but in general Audi use the torsen system. Torsen is better in snow and most conditions but VW's haldex system is still very capable.
@@Swiss4.2VW uses torsen to. Besides - Audi is barely using torsen now, it was replaced by quattro ultra system.
So in both these cars the all wheel drive is only good for helping you to accelerate on relatively evenly slippery surfaces.
Why do you think so?
Czy jest w planach test Insigni 4x4?
Jeśli tylko znajdzie się ochotnik... :)
duszaniespokojna w okolicach stolicy jestem do dyspozycji :-)
@@Xxxoddam Masz możliwość napisania do nas przez FB? :) Łatwiej będzie się odnaleźć za jakiś czas, stolicę na pewno jeszcze odwiedzimy (ostatnio zebrała się taka ekipa ua-cam.com/video/F7k9vOMUCs0/v-deo.html )
Czyli najlepszy jaki jest napęd na rolkach? Widziałeś ostanio automaniaka jak testowali audi, bmw i Mercedesa?
@@filmydlawszystkich2157 Nie ma najlepszego, często nawet wewnątrz jednej marki wyniki są różne, w zależności od modelu.
Automaniaka nie widziałem, ale kilka dni temu osobiście usłyszałem od jednego z prowadzących, że także w tym temacie telewizja rządzi się swoimi prawami...
4Motion once again proves how good it is, it pretty much beat all the other AWD except Subaru.
It didn't beat Subaru, Suzuki, Jeep, Nissan, Volvo and some more.
@Andi-Bogdan Postelnicu New Torsen?
+1, samochody typowo drogowe i od razu widać że na 3 rolkach mają problemy, jedno koło które ma przyczepność nie daje rady ruszyć całym samochodem, ale to akurat dobrze do codziennej jazdy
Z tego, co ja tu widzę, to tylko w jednym przypadku jedno koło nie dało rady ruszyć samochodem ;)
ważne jak daje radę, w małym okienku widać że koło w każdym przypadku na 3 rolkach praktycznie się nie rusza, ledwo co się ruszy przy dużym gazie
@@NiceTubeAccount Nie ma znaczenia, jak się kręci, tylko ile momentu przenosi. A im wolniej zaczyna się kręcić koło z przyczepnością, tym łagodniej samochód ruszy.
no właśnie, widzę że zaczynasz łapać o co chodzi ;-) jak nie ma takiej mocy to samochodem tak nie rzuci i to jest prawidłowe i bezpieczniejsze przy normalnej drogowej jeździe
@@NiceTubeAccount Co mam łapać? Pisałem poprzednio, że czas reakcji potrzebny na przekazanie momentu jest dłuższy, nie jego wartość, ta narasta do momentu kiedy samochód ruszy.
Zrób ml w163
Jeśli znajdzie się ochotnik 👍
4MOTION is best.
Dont think so, think about Subary symetrical AWD ;)
@@jovandjukic5923 Symetrical Awd also good.
3:00 Rolling coal THROUGH the DPF? Knocking diesel engine? How does that even happen? Mercedes is a joke here.
That is gasoline.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Even more weird. How the hell does a petrol engine produce black smoke?
@@ast5515 I think it just looks black because of light.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Still shouldn't happen. The engine is clearly knocking. And I don't think it's caused by bad fuel.
@@ast5515 I don't know. Maybe GPF?
4motion from audi QUATTRO OFC much BETTER then 4matic
4Motion vs Quattro: ua-cam.com/video/JU2fJN8dbWU/v-deo.html
4Matic vs Quattro: ua-cam.com/video/9xg0zcn62xQ/v-deo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers old QUATTRO...
Car which has Stock fwd never cant be good As rwd...
@@loreBDJ How old?
ya, a FWD platform is better than a RWD platform, right? Nah, you're just an idiot honestly.
VW gives... A shit!
Sh awd and symetrical awd are instoppable! German rust its nothing more than nice painted with quite good leather piece of rust. Bye bye
4matic (the real one-c,e,s&, not renault- a,b&) is for Men's, then FWD 4motion haldex (except touareg and phaeton) is for scared womans😂. A real awd system are those rear bias, or even those equally split by mechanical center diff. Any other are good for rollers and for advertising production papers😂😂
How about GR Yaris or Focus RS? Both FWD based, both without mechanical center differential, both with a clutch-packs... Newest 4Motion system doesn't use haldex to...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers neither using so GARBAGE rear diff as haldex ones. Both capable to sustain REAR BIAS transmission setting when is set as that. Same as mitsubishi evo. Don't conpare those real awd's vs. that garbage haldex fwd (or haldex derived system, doesn't matter.. those 4motion transversally mounted engine runs 99% of time as a FWD car only "for economy" and especially ..FOR RELIABILITY.. as you know)
@@napraznicul Neither using mechanical center diffs to, so according to your previous definition - GR Yaris or Focus RS are not real awd. Evo is completely different story, completely different awd type and structure. And as I mentioned before - newest 4Motion in cars with transversally mounted engines has nothing to do with haldex.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers mate, you're in deep confusion: Rear bias awd system or symetric ones should NOT necesarly need to be driven by a longitudinal mounted engine! That awd bias is ordered by center diff control unit OR by mechanical construction of it. Definitely NOT by engjne position! As well, the GR and RS are both of them REAR bias awd systems, as ANY transversally mounted engine VAG (ONLY.. that is what i said.. please do NOT missunderstood my statements) awd car is FRONT bias or even "permanent fwd" as i like to define those.
@@napraznicul Firstly - I may be in deep confusion only due to your English. Secondly - don't discuss with things I never said, I didn't say a word about longitudinal mounted engine. Thirdly - let's make it clear - GR Yaris (or Focus RS) are not rwd biased. Construction (layout) of their awd systems is exactly the same as for 4Motion cars with haldex, based on fwd platforms, no mechanical center diffs. *However* you can switch them by a button to rwd characteristics and that is achieved *only by* different ratios of front and rear diffs (well, actually there is no real rear diff in RS but a double clutch-pack unit). Newest 4Motion system for R models doesn't use haldex clutch-pack any more. Whole layout is still the same as it was, they just throw the haldex away and put in the double clutch-pack unit instead of rear diff. So now the structure is just like in Focus RS. Without electronics all of these cars are 100% FWD.