Old School War Belt Setup - The ALICE Battle Belt
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FloridaBoy Survival I think you should add a magazine recovery dump pouch in lieu of the tiny Alice pouch! So many magazines would be hard to keep track of once spent! (From a current marine POV) 👍 I like the set up though
I like it! I’m an old 11Bravo ...1983-1988....way to kick it old school! BRAVO!
@@imhereoften9452 We are civilian insurgent types. 1: our mags are so old and poorly maintained it's doubtful they'll be worth saving.2: there's no H.Q. weenie beanie threatening us with article 15 for lost equipment. I ain't signed for jack s@#$t. That said, the ALICE gear should always include suspenders and a butt pack. Also, in any realistic survival scenario, water is more important than ammo. So, 2 canteens, MINIMUM. Start with 2×1 qt. Butt pack. 2 × 30 round mag pouches. I currently run an LC2 belt, Condor H suspenders, 2×1qt MOLLE canteen pouches, a Spec Ops butt pack, and 2× 30 round mag pouches. I have an FLC, but it's set up for Apocalypse Yesterday. LOL. MOLLE is OK for a rifle squad, in a vehicle, but for a survival type situation, the belt and harness is best. Low carry + ease of modification can't be beat. Y'all have a GOODN.
Ive been using ALICE gear since the mid 80s. Never had a reason to change it. Yes im that old lol. Some of it ive replaced over the years but some of my stuff is still going strong from back then. Great stuff and super cheap.
I have been using it for a while also. the stuff the military throws away is better than most of the stuff in the retail stores...
You are not alone, Brother! ALICE is my girl. I don't know MOLLE.
Wtf do you need all that Shit for
My combat setup when I was active duty was different in a lot of ways. At the 2 and 10 o'clock were my M16 mag pouches. At 2:30 was my compass and pouch. At 10:30 was a multitool and pouch. At 11 o'clock was my individual dressing. Canteens at both 4 and 7 o'clock. Buttpack at 6 o'clock. At 3 o'clock I had a SAW pouch, which was what people these days are calling a dump pouch. I kept map markers and alcohol wipes, lickies and chewies, and a sewing kit. Buttpack had my poncho hooch setup and my standard issue cleaning kit. But we used the harness as well, and I kept my Kbar on the left front strap, hilt down, and we were required to have a plastic earplug case tied and taped down right where the pocket of the left shoulder would be. Swap that if you were a lefty, obviously. Nice to see some old school stuff still in use.
That is the great thing about ALICE, you can configure it in about a million different ways...
Sounds like a solid rig, but I'm left curious as to what your "lickies" and "chewies" were. Lol.
@@Breaker197 usually Jolly Ranchers. A former commander coined the phrase. He was fond of individual hard candies, and Redman chew.
Swap out the K Bar for a Schrade sharp finger, with the hard leather sheath, OR a Cold Steel Spike.
Lol. Found a Alice suspender rig with two canteen pouches both with stainless canteen cups in each all for 20 bucks at a pawn shop today ,, its mine now !!
This rig has the panel for the butt pack to be up in the center of the back .. newer rig than the one I had issued when I was serving
Actually just researched a little and found out it is the loan bearing vest rig
Nice find! I have an LBV 88 vest rig also, it is a great rig.
Score !
Not sure of the nomenclature,, way newer the y rig i used
Im all about old school its been proven legit even today.. nice rig
Thanks! Old school is great...and cheap too!
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival NOPE. Old school is getting rare, at least at the Crazy Stores Tip for y'all: MOLLE can be used with ALICE gear. ALICE gear not so good on MOLLE platforms.
That's my 1987 Allis Web belt and suspenders shoulder harness that I used in the Marines Corps in 1987-1991.I used my M-12 NYLON flap holster and mag pouch. 2 M-14 mag pouches and canteens and my rook sack and butt pack from 1969. My K-Bar! And compass pouch!
Love my ALICe stuff
I totally agree. The old gear is still very much G-2-G and the prices cant be beat. I have a pistol belt with M-12 holster and all the required ALICE pouches attached to it and, if I need to, I can simply throw on my surplus SDS MOLLE-2 zippered vest with mag shingles and grab my rifle and I just multiplied my defense capability. All of it surplus, in good-excellent condition, for about $100. Its not high speed operator equipment, but I'm not a high speed operator.
Thanks. Yes the old ALICE stuff is still relevant
Yes the alice was and still is excellent gear and makes for a great loadout especially in winter time when there is snow. Its very durable. Molle is great stuff too. Its just an improvement of arrangeability of pouches. Alice will always be relevant until it dissapears. Great video
Couldn't agree more! The US Army throws out better stuff than you can get in the stores lol
Alice won’t let you down. Arrange it any way you want. Add another canteen and a little butt pack, Use the harness. Tie down the clips.
ALICE has and will never let me down...
Cool little setup keep up the good work!
Thanks!
Thanks for the share , FBS. My belt runs lean, one ammo pouch for rifle, combat knife, entrenching tool or hatchet and canteen. I'm old school.
Cool. You dont need much to make it work!
I got a very similar rig. All alice on a utility belt and the LBE H suspenders except instead of using those old alice m16 mag pouches I have a 6 mag chest rig. That makes room for a buttpack, canteen, pistol holster, pistol mag pouches and IFAK pouch on the belt. When I was in the Army I hated going prone with those alice mag pouches. I always had to unfasten my belt to go prone. So the chest rig for my mags are much better and the mags lay flat against me. Much more comfy. Ya might want to try it out. The chest rigs are pretty cheap. Alice belt with a chest rig is a great combo for me. Ty from Ohio.
Sounds like a great rig...
😂😂😂You going need it tommorow! Jan 20 2021
In retrospect we did not need them at all...yet
If you can, I would maybe add a dump pouch so if you use your magazines you won’t have to fiddle around with trying to get the mags back in the pouch and grab a new one
That is a great idea! Thanks!
The best!
Thanks!
I don’t know if anyone else brought this up but, a dump pouch for mags would be nice to have for the mags when you reload instead of trying to fit them back in the small pouches and it stays rolled up when not in use !
You could totally put them on there. That is the beauty of ALICE you can mix and match instantly...
I would swap around the pistol mag pouches with the triple M4 mag pouch on your left side. Then you could more comfortably go prone or squatting behind cover.
Good idea. Things are very movable in ALICE
I'd put the fanny pack on for your "stuff" and add another canteen with cup and stove. As far as I know no one uses just a war/battle belt it's part of a whole system of gear load out.
I do admire your set up nice thinking!
I thought about that, but the rig is a bit too heavy with the butt pack and 2 canteens. Cool thing is with ALICE I can switch in seconds. I can also use this belt as part of a larger load out...
Great for a quick grab defense kit, if you're bugging in.
Great info man! I have a modern war belt setup that’s more for fast direction action but lookin to build a long range patrol belt setup that can carry everything i need without needing a chest rig to keep weight off my upper body.
Thanks! ALICE stuff is still a viable option....
Good Video.
Thanks!
Very fitting video now, bet you're glad you built it. I have one of these in the attic which is what led me to search and see if anyone else had thought of doing this. I even have the suspension system with a compass pouch. Good video thanks for posting.
Glad I could help. Yes I am very glad that I built it, I may need it soon...
This video needs WAY MORE VIEWS!!! No one else has a video to my knowledge on an ALICE battle belt. ALICE is a good system and lasts for years. I have both ALICE and MOLLE. Different rigs for different guns on scenarios.
Thanks! I have not seen an ALICE battle belt setup...only MOLLE
Mack Daddy 1911
As far as accessible surplus is concerned, old Vietnam-era belt systems are still readily available. Personally I prefer the old brass mushroom buckles to any sort of plastic snap for ALICE compatible belts. And recently I've started to move away from ALICE fasteners altogether in favour of two pieces of sturdy shaped wire mounted through the belt grommets directly on either the two-hole or three-hole design. The best parts of the ALICE system are the pouches and the harness, although the latter has not fundamentally changed from the 1967 pattern H-harness webbing set (and the H-harness pattern is certainly more comfortable than the typical LC2 Y-harness pattern!)
Either way, ALICE is only eclipsed by MOLLE because the latter is simply more modular and therefore versatile. ALICE is truly at its best when it's set up according to the few official arrangements it was designed to accomodate, but it retains just enough flexibility that a clever user can modify it slightly to better fit their requirements. Without a doubt a venerable classic that will probably outlive all of us in one conflict or another...
I could not have said it better myself!
I wore that set up in the Marine
corps back in 1987 to 1991. My stuff was 1970 Vietnam era equipment. I miss it. It's better than the crap today. Don't forget your suspenders to and rook sack or butt pack. My set up was m12 holster right side for my Colt 1911A1 mag pouch then my M 14 mag pouches canteens and rook sack or butt pack with suspenders and on them my K Bar and compass pouch. My combat light and all in black since I was in force recon worked as a sniper. In my butt pack or rook sack was my cleaning kit, first aid pouch, mess kit, and 5 grenades smoke, frag, LZ spotter grenades, and precaution grenades. Extra socks and poncho. Not to much since I was a sniper. The Boony rats carried allis packs Laws rockets, m 60 pouches, c 4 or 3 pouches, grenades pouches, claymore pouches and M 79 blooper pouches. My brothers wore flack jackets to. DAM THAT'S OUR DEVIL DOGS HOORAH.
That is an awesome rig...
I have been thinking about the old alice system with the harness as a get home/war belt for convert access. I'll set mine up for 12ga. . Fantastic idea you have. Now i am motivated to do it. Thanks Matt 👍
It should work pretty well. i would like to see the 12ga setup....
I am thinking about the same thing just havent figure out the shell part other than running mutiple shotgun cards
Id move pistol mags and other flat items up front, move the rifle mags back towards the hips, still accessable but you wont go prone fast and hard and suffer with AR mags, two knives a field knife and a dedicated fighter, some eat on the go rations, flashlight and navigation. It worked for me.
Thanks! That is the cool thing about ALICE is that you can move them around
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival Yup. I love the ALICE
I'm on here just looking at old school alice belts for hiking I like using my old US canteens with the alice clips so need a belt to carry the canteens on..
Nice man. You just need an regular old LC2 web belt. They are pretty cheap on ebay...
At the end of the day: it's going to be about how much money you have and/or how much money you're willing to spend on gear.
True. Alice gear is still relatively inexpensive
Pistol belt. Its just easy to carry. Especially us ex-military. We're used to using them. You can use it with the LBE, for MOLLE stuff too.
Very true...
I’ve been thinking about setting one of these up as a survival kit. Keep the pistol mag pouches and holster and then swap out the m16 mag pouches for more survival supplies. I do a lot of hiking, and I think this would make an awesome kit
Check out my Lvl 1 Survival Hiking belt video, may be just what you are lookin for
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival you know I found that video about 30 minutes after this one lol. I really liked it and thought it was well thought out
Awesome tips!
Glad you like them!
I like the alice belt
I have a few of them
thanks for the show and tell usefull update. have a safe,healthy and joyful adventure
thanks! It does everything I need it to...
My holster was made of leather when I was in. Now that’s old school.
I wish that I had one of those leather ones. They are the best...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival if you can’t find a decent surplus holster, El Paso Saddlery makes an excellent repro.
Good system worked thru 3 wars. I watch these videos of everyone with AR's and Glocks on a battle belt. Well most will not make it, video game warriors don't get a reset in SHTF. I had a belt like them when I served and had no complaints Keep up the videos..
Thanks! This platform is solid as a rock and is just as good or better than the video game warriors...lol. If you watch my other videos you will see that i actually carry my ALICE stuff in the woods whereas they carry theirs on the couch...
ALICE is bullet proof for down here, ever see a wet battle belt?
@@tedsemonis7905 No I have not...and don't really want to lol
I have kinda et up a "grad and go" molle vest, to which Alice equipment can be attached....or mixed/matched with modern gear. The vest places the weight distribution more onto the whole body.
I have the ALICE LBV vest which kind of does the same thing...
I like the Alice gear and it's pretty good value & combat proven... I also like the M1A & 1911. I also like a Chevy 350 with a big cam... Nice setup you have there.
Thanks! I like all of those things myself...
This really fucking works!!! Bottom line gear this is perfect. In combat nobody is going to be John Wick or the Professional back in the 90s. if you are an Infantryman in Iraq or the Stan, not all infantrymen are trained to be better pistol shooters unless they came from the National Guard or Army Reserve. NGARV soldier citizens are better shooters because they are either law enforcement or security employed folks. They shoot more in qualification and training required by their employers to reduce liability. With this current situation going on. I will promote and encourage those who are entitled legally to the 2nd Amendment right to defend themselves and their family. All rightful citizens of the Untied States to include legal immigrants who have ben granted such rights as human beings shall do so under the US Constitution of the Untied States. The right and bear arms are only for those who will defend this Republic of the United States of America.
It does! The old school ALICE stuff is virtually indestructible...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival I have jumped a few times as an assistant gunner for the platoon's M-60 which I usually carry. In the large rucksack I had that stuffed with 600 rounds of 7.62 belts in bandoliers, tripod, T&E, spare barrel in the bag strapped on top of the ammo. 12 stripped MREs, 5 quarts of water, and personal gear rigged up to jump which is 80-90 pounds. Wearing my parachute, reserve, M16A2 in a jump case, with LBE. This was pretty heavy. My ALICE ruck frame and pack never broke when I dropped it 200 feet before I landed attached to my harness via 15 foot lowering line. Even sucks when I jump from 800 feet at night.
I like your style. I roll the same way. Swap those pisol mags for a 3 mag pouch. Rifle mags on strong side and pistol mags on weak side. Pistol is backup and rifle is primary. 2 3mag pouches on right hip if right handed is way to roll.
Thanks! There are lots of different ways to configure an ALICE system
Its not called a battle belt . It is called LBE Load Bearing Equipment
This is a belt rig, which is a component of LBE. If I used it with suspenders then it would be LBE
I run something very similar, a Condor gun belt with ALICE suspenders. I use both MOLLE and ALICE pouches. Definitely better having our hips carry most of the load.
That is a good rig. I have one of those setups also...
I find that an LC 2 belt, Ranger modified, and a Condor H harness works fine. All of the MOLLE rides high, because it's designed for Mech infantry. For grunt gear, the belt & suspender systems are still best.
You need to get the belt pad that go's on the belt, way more comfy, thx for the vid.
Thanks! I have been looking for one for a couple of years and cannot find one...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival www.ebay.com/itm/BLACKHAWK-Belt-Pad-Medium-36-40-Olive-Drab/223566701180?epid=2254412769&hash=item340d9d227c:g:5~8AAOSwX9BdE568
Instead of the SAW pouch in the back, I use the Butt pack with the suspenders^ In the butt pack I keep basic survival gear, few days worth of food, poncho and 550 cord lashed to the top.
I could do that but this is not meant to be a multi day rig, this is meant to carry ammo and a sidearm....
My mistake...I do like the setup, though. A quick grab defense kit would be great for the castle. Whatever that said castle may be. Ranch, house, camper, apartment.
Nice setup !
Thanks. It works well, just as good as any other...
I can see buy your gear ! It’s never been out of your house 😅
It is a sample "War Belt" setup and as we are not in a time of war or social upheaval I do not make a habit of wearing it openly around the community. It is an ALICE system and the video was made to show how versatile the old school setups can be. And I can see "buy" your comment that you are obviously an intelligent person.....
so cool, i want to do something like this. maybe modernize it a little more.
Thanks! Alice stuff is very easy to modernize
I started to switch to molle. Got a molle pacvk a few pouches. Thought I'd upgrade from a Alice Harness.
And pretty soon discovered
1. Molle battle belt twice as wide
2. ALICE to Molle conversion straps.
Personally prefer the 50mm belt than that huge molle plarform. I run a few UK waterbottle pouches. Put nato bottles in them. Run a bumbpack or Brit gasmask case in place of. Gives me more options to have heavy stuff on belt harness and lighter gear in pack for hiking
There are lots of different ways that you can go, that is half the fun...
One suggestion:
Take off thge "miscellaneous pouch", put your canteen there. If it conflicts with the pistol, move the med kit further to the left, and have the pistol mag pouches touching. Then, where the canteen is now, put a dump pouch.
Yep you could do that. Cool thing about ALICE is that you can move things around easily
Im heavily considering this myself, I dont really see a reason to dump so much money on a newer belt since I can just put new mag pouches on the alice belt anyways.
This is just as good as a newer setup and much cheaper
I have the more modern molle belt but I’m of the same mindset as you. I see people with so called “ battle belt “ and it has two AR mags and two pistol mags. That’s not a battle belt, that’s a competition belt for quick reloads.
In my mind a battle belt is to sustain you in battle, you need ammo, water, first aid and tools.
Good gear.
Exactly! Thanks.
Everything is sure nice and clean....lol
Right?! I have not rolled around in the mud with this setup yet lol
whoa dude... you look like your under contract with those new grips. :D ha!
Lol...they look pretty good. I had to sand them down a little though as they were REALLY rough
I’d recommend switching out those pistol mag pouches for the Vietnam cotton canvas .45 pouches (slide keeper version) it holds two mags and way more durable most likely, and maybe a buttpack instead of the saw pouch
That is the cool thing about ALICE stuff, you can really mix and match
I have found that the M1956 butt pack flops over if worn on the belt without the suspenders. If it could be rigged to attach to the belt higher up on the buttpack, I could do that.
My belt looks very similar I love Alice bets. Molle is good for my day packs not my belt Alice is way sturdier.
For a belt rig I think so too. It is absolutely bomb proof
Great vid man. I went to your ytc because I was looking for a ALICE belt recommendation , for this very reason. What belt do you reccomend ? This way I can start setting up from there. Thanks!!
Thanks! This is just a basic LC2 web belt, from there you can set up hundreds of combos off the same belt platform....
Venture Surplus still has them as well as complete ALICE set up for a good price.
Go to Mack Daddy 1911.
I would suggest another canteen with a cup and lid that fits under one of your canteens. And another saw bag for calories granola bars gone roasted nuts etc died starting stuff etc.
Sometimes I carry my cup and lid like that on this belt....
If you can't fill all your mag pouches, you need more mags
You got that right...
You know whats nice about this setup, you could remove the mags, and use the ar mag pouches to hold bushcraft stuff or hiking stuff and its a 2 for one setups.
Exactly. I had it configured like that before for a hiking belt, just moved a few pouches around and put mags in them...
I would probably swap out that small pouch for a knife and another pistol mag pouch, you could use that third pistol mag pouch to hold a flashlight.
@@pflugervillebushcraft8149 There are tons of ways to configure ALICE stuff!
Yes there are, I was just thinking if you were looking at a go to war belt, it might be nice to have a knife and flashlight, seemed like the only items possibly missing from it.
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival
I think you might want to buy a few more mags lol
Especially these days lol. I have several now...
You can improve changing the alice clips for malice clips. Anyway nice belt.
You could do that. i find the clips are just fine though...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival I've used both and Id say the malice clips are more secure. I haven't had issues with the alice system myself, but ive seen a less competent person manage to have it bork up on that and get his canteen un-clipped hiking in rougher terrain. alice clips are great, but some people definitely need a more "grunt proof" solution to avoid problems.
@@TheUnchosenOne You can always tie them down...
It perfectly integrates with your belly. 😉
Yes it does! I have lost about 20lbs since then lol
How well does this setup work over your pants belt? Thanks for the video
It works very well. I have it adjusted to ride on my hips so it is very comfortable
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival so it rides above your pants belt or below? I'm still experimenting to see what works best for me. Thanks
@@Skyfall-sv8df You can put it anywhere you want. I do not usually wear a pants belt so this does double duty
Hey FB! I noticed 3 mags in the ammo pouch. I can only get 3 of the aluminum kind in. Not 3 p mags. Have you done anything to make the p mags fit. Thank you...
Nope. I just jammed them in there...
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival 10.4 Mine will go in but ridiculously hard to close.... Thanks man!
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival Ok. So I had 2 new mag pouchs, and they fit. The other pouches were stiff and about 1/4-3/8" shorter. Will fit aluminum mags.
How on earth do you get the smell out of surplus? I have tried scrubbing with dawn and a toothbrush, spraying with Lysol, and leaving it outside for a full day and the smell won't leave.
Laggy McLaggylag try washing with some Borax.
I'll try that. Thanks.
Try baking soda then rinse with fresh water.
I let my stuff soak all day, or night, in 5 gallon bucket of dawn water. Then let it sit all day in clean water. Take off metal keepers. That stuff has set for years in warehouse so it's gonna need to soak or air out big time.
This is a late response but thanks!
Is an ALICE belt of just compass pouches acceptable?
Absolutely lol! You can line up anything that you want on these belts
@@FloridaBoyBushcraftSurvival cool lol
Where do you get your Alice equipment?
Mostly from Amazon and ebay, some from local surplus shops....
You can get them for a decent price from most surplus shops online. If you have some other things you need Id highly recommend varusteleka, they have a lot of very high qaulity surplus for very cheap even with the cost of shipping from Finland.
How about bat man belt ! ! ! ! ! !
Lol...I think that all the time, it is my Batman Utility Belt
Knife
That is about the only thing that is missing...
You have the exact setup I was planning down to the m12 I have on the way from ebay lmao. Get some field clothing to go with it big dog. Or just get a tigrestripe blouse and wear it with what you got and look like a CIA spook 😂😂😂 cheers!
It works great paired with woodland camp lol