So happy they are coming back with this. I was in the era of plate carriers and embrace the sweat and weight. I was always drawn to this system and never understood why they went away with it.
@@SamsquatchTactical guess that our differences, I still remember Webb gear from 2001 when I went in and as Infantry it sucks balls. Its just as bad as the stupid dapps shoulder pads they tried to make us wear then the combat diaper.
That new LBE looks like it has come full circle - what was issued in Vietnam and then modified to a lighter material that was resistant to rot and used in the 1980s to 1990s.
Possibly if the theater expands to include the East Sea/Southeast Asia Sea/South China Sea but this time Vietnam will very likely be apart of the US Allies Would be extremely interesting and kinda funny
As a Vietnam era vet, this makes so much more sense to me than the "attach everything to the plate carrier" school. Reminds me of the Alice gear, but better. Alice didn't allow easy transfer of the load to the hips for approach marches, or getting your shoulder harness (with attached compass/bandage carriers) out of the way when shouldering your ruck. I also like the way he positioned his belt pouches on his hips, allowing him to go prone without grinding his mags into his chest, while also lowering his profile.
There's more modern and better made rigs. I've found a mix of belt kit and a chest rig make the best for a fighting load + sustainment. Body armor is nessasary in modern war, so well padded plate carriers with placard systems do fine
It’s the same thing really. They just strapped a plate in the middle of the webbing and then put more straps on it. Everyone in here thinks they’re a genius for some reason…
We never stretched everything to the plate carrier whatever load out you set would clip over the plate carrier I never had anything directly connected to it
@johnkarcis5142 there was a mix the flc and taps are supposed to be used over the iotv but an actual plate carrier, not that turtle shell, you'll want to attach or use versatile placard systems. But even then you can add a belt rig, and many have for a long time, I do, even with a chest rig I have a sustainment belt
As an old Jungle Soldier I’m going to be frank here. That is not a new rig. We called it web gear or LBE (Load Bearing Equipment). The contents might be somewhat newer in how the carried resources are manufactured but from what this shave-tail listed as his “new” equipment is EXACTLY the same as what we carried back in the day.
I had something similar when serving in Malaya with 1 RZNIR,our unit served there from 1959 to 1989.I enjoyed being in the jungle,first tear as GPMG gunner ,2nd year lead scout/tracker.
I assume the producers are smart to realize "Fortunate Son" was an Anti-war song and as such it would not make much sense to play it here. Seriously everytime someone like you mentions FS as if it's a war melody I get a headache from facepalming myself.
@@cruisinguy6024 it was a song commonly associated with the Vietnam war and the belt rig that the guy is talking about looks like a modernized m1956 rig which was the belt rig used in the Vietnam war. I can't see how he was calling it a "war melody" by mentioning a song commonly associated with the conflict that the new belt rig reminds him of. Edit: I am actually wrong the belt rig used in vietnam. the belt rig used in vietnam was the m1956 NOT the ALICE like I had mentioned, I apologize for the Mistake.
@@meta_cross1099 you’re right it’s commonly associated with the Vietnam war but in recent years people have been grossly misunderstanding its meaning and usage. The song is one of the most famous anti-war songs as part of the counter culture effort to end the conflict. For some reason recently people have been associating it all wrong as if it’s a positive / pro military song which it is most definitely not. People see helicopters and instantly thing Fortunate Son which is just odd.
PLCE has always been the gold standard for webbing kit. Plate carriers with everything mollied on are crap for weight distribution. Separate plate carrier and loading gear means you can drop kit to rest and still be armoured.
I went from old school to ACUs and retired just before multicam. Basically we are just going back in time. Also, show of hands who remembers what a canteen tastes like?
Military webbing was an American invention and America saved Europe twice for world wars. A simple “thanks” would suffice. Of course….You can teach your children all the lies you want but the real world has facts they will have to deal with which will undoubtedly make you look myopic later.
I was with the 25th back in 1989-1992. They introduced flack vests before I was done. Too hot, too heavy, and too burdened. We keep reinventing the wheel in big army. Contractors are now the key to small conflicts.
Back to pre-GWOT. A lot like our kit for jungle in the 90s, a combo of both issue and civilian. I took a lot from the old jungle warfare best practices and doctrine, as well as Hackworth’s Vietnam Primer (which was primarily tactics). We didn’t have the same access to quality, purpose-built kit from civilian sources like it is now (pretty sparse back in the day) issue didn’t cover everything. Wish we had gun belts back then, would have helped. Love to see this approach. Common sense, leveraging lessons learned, and not being afraid to move away from GWOT doctrine. Jungle is a different animal. This is good work, it’s going to save lives and influence the battle space.
@@Phonkanaut22 SG's SAF basically is the body armour school of thought, cover everything and anything with no serious adaptation to environment where average temp daily is ~32°C with high humidity. And essentially just copy anything US do...
Cool to see the gear come full circle, LBE for MOST dismounted operations is good, fits well with plate carriers and back packs. I really like the feature to drop lower when you have a ruck on. Hopefully Big Army could adopt with some modifications
The best thing about this setup is the clip system to change the height between a rucking and assault setup so you can wear a ruck without the hip belt getting in the way of the webbing. Otherwise, it's just a standard belt rig that the Brits and Aussies have been running as standard issue for decades (until fairly recently). It's hardly "prototype".
I was a machine gunner in Iraq (US Army). I wore a padded belt with suspenders over my body armor and while I looked "weird" because I didn't have all my ammo and kit mounted "up" on my chest, the way I ran the belt "British style" worked much better for me to climb in and out of turrets and to be able to go prone behind my M240.
It's basically a modernized version of the M1956 Individual Load Carrying Equipment used by our guys in Vietnam. the M1956 gave way to the M1967, which replaces a lot of the old cotton canvas with nylon duck fabric; then the All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment (ALICE), which was common issue from the 80s all the way to the 90s when it was replaced with the MOLLE gear used by soldiers during the GWOT in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I appreciate that he speaks like a HUMAN rather than a scripted interviewee. The Army would do better to pick people with personality rather than shove a camera in front of a human turned robot.
Did some training with 1para in the UK and let me tell you, they ran the same damn set up. It felt nice and looked practical for the training mission we ran
Looks like modified TA50 with H harness suspenders. For jungle warfare look at the lessons learned from Vietnam and other conflicts instead of starting from scratch.
mhm. the balance between function, agility, protection, and comfortability. Has been tested and tried thru the ages. one layer of protection (vest) gear (belt/harness) jacket(second layer protection) the average life expectancy of a soldier in combat is 6 seconds. the key is to find a way to increase their odds make it 9, 12, even 18 seconds. Doesn't seem substantial. but, now you have a fighter that survives 3 times longer.
@wyomarine6341 I keep an LBE even today 30+ years later for outdoor activities. It's good piece of equipment. Just a few bucks at army surplus store and they usually have a variety of different types. I recommend getting one. Peace
Nice to see some halfway decent equipment given to the Army instead of troops having to go purchase their own. Leave it to the Army to issue equipment made by people who have never had to wear it or use it.
Troops rarely really needed to ever go buy their own. They often were just geardo's that just wanted to be seen wearing the "sexy" gear. The issue stuff was fine for the most part.
@@irgilligan in the marines i bought all my load bearing stuff and plate carrier because they were still giving out IMTV's at that time and im not trying to feel like robocop in that damn thing
Its called alice gear, it worked for years, and still is very affective. Its crazy seeing everything come full circle again. Waiting for them to come up with an updated m81 woodland pattern. Like the marines did 20 years ago! Be nice to see some green again.
Recon? This was standard equipment. Except that the number of pouches was a lot less on the belt. To this day, standard basic load is 7 magazines. Back in the day extra mags were carried in a 4 pocket bandolier, or 2. Your load out focused on MG ammo belts, Claymore mines and radio batteries.
For those asking about body armor: You’d just put the belt kit on over a slick plate carrier like the one that comes with the MSV. Like he said it’s easy to adjust to fit over. Plus in the jungle it’s too hot to move with armor on. You would wear the belt kit, keep your armor in your ruck, stop close to the objective, and put your armor on with your belt kit over top
Like our Brit counterpart said, if you get the suspension harnesses thin enough, you can also put the armor over this. I did this in Italy and it is great for jumping “TAPS exposed” with MSV’s slick carrier on as well. I didn’t need a waistband extension to make it all fit under the T-11 harness.
Great looking rig. I started on my carry rigs in the late ''60 - to early'70s .I used a similar type rig anywhere...not just jungle. One suggestion is that you can wear it higher on the body and even wear a gun belt below the "jungle" rig depending on the amount of carry mission gear required. Combining new tech with older gear, you can still wear a Camelback tied on to the suspenders. They are cooler and you can even open landscape down the front if you want to get closer to mother earth. If you look back the the M1 rifle belt in WW2, you may note it was worn above the waist. Thanks for the video.
I love that this is on the internet for our ops to see. Thanks LT for providing examples of the potential actionable intelligence that you keep on your person. Maybe china and russia will post what their infantry officers keep on their person.
I'm just curious and would like your opinion. How would you put on your armor plate? I'm from South East Asia and totally agree with you that when fighting in the tropical rain forest, you really need a lot of air vent to keep body temp cool otherwise the heat will get you before the enemy's bullet. The armor plates and the bulky clothing the US and "western countries" soldiers wear totally reduce their fighting ability. We wear a very thin layer clothing just enough to protect us from the environment. But the armor plates are very important for protection. It would be great to invent something lighter than those steel plates that can be used in the tropical heat environment.
Eagle Industries makes something called the Ergo Performance System, that keeps the plates from being directly on your back and chest, allowing better ventilation. Militaur and 221B Tactical have their ventilation systems, though I’m not sure how well those two actually work, and then platatac has their ICE vent system, which I’ve also heard is pretty good. For staying cool for a single day, Qore Performance has their ice plates if you can freeze them, they will keep you cool until the ice is melted and your body heat/ambient temperature heat up the water inside, but if nothing else, it’s a solid way to have some cold drinking water instead of a squishy bladder. Just know if you drink half the water in the ice plate and still have half left in there, it’s gonna make a little noise, sloshing around inside. Might be best reserved keeping you cool and for emergency drinking use or only while actually fighting. Hope that helps
@wyomarine6341 I mean, yes, they didn’t, because Recon isn’t direct action. They absolutely have armor for rapid infil/exfil direct action missions. But also, have you used these cooling and ventilation systems? It helps ALOT. If armor is necessary, might as well make it as comfortable as you can. Though I agree, the weight is an issue, for now. There are already exoskeleton systems out there that reduce felt weight by much more than the additional weight of plates, but we’re still working on the power problem. Only about 2 hours for a small, ergonomic and lightweight exoskeleton, and that’s just not enough. We also haven’t adapted any vehicles for external systems like that, so transportation, getting in and out becomes an issue. We’re on our way to a practical solution though, just not there yet. For now, yep, I’m sticking to my LBE rig. Keeps the core as cool as it really can, easy on and off, and if you’ve gotta have 8-10lbs of weight more, might as well be ammo and sustainment kit, or tools that might make certain things in whatever that scenario is, easier for me, physically or mentally(METT-TC takes precedent, but you get the idea).
@wyomarine6341 I mean… the Ukraine conflict was the first to see the new toys fielded en masse in the form of kamikaze FPV drones in hunter-killer teams. These days, one might consider leaving the plates and instead throwing an over-under shotgun on the side of the pack with ammunition. I’d bet those Russian conscripts would have liked to have had the extra weight of a thermal or night vision device as they held hands, trying to navigate in the dark and not step on land mines and then getting ambushed by British and American volunteers who carried that weight. If even one of them carried that weight, it might have saved them all, atleast that day ;P
Brits looking at us like we're crazy for discovering belt kit. All seriousness, this stuff looks solid. The issue I see is for vehicle mounted units like stryker brigaes or mechanized brigades. Belt kit doesn't work well in those conditions.
fascinating. great advertisement for future soldiers to learn what's what and why it what it is. passionate soldier and great example for all. great leader
In terms of any environment H suspenders and belt is what a fighter needs. It can carry your fighting load and squad ammo. Leaving your camel back or assault pack for water, and other mission gear or a ruck for sustainment.
Canadian Forces - Specifically the Army used to issue load bearing webbing up until the 90's. Looks like the wheel has gone round again, and now its back.
We never should have moved away from this style of rig. The "counter-insurgency" strategy never worked. We should have been outfitted and trained for long-term, sustained, independent operations. Very short-sighted leadership back then. I'm happy that newer leaders have some common sense and can see the writing on the wall.
TBH it's more like they have no choice... COIN is a different game. And they are done with that game. What's happening in Ukraine, that's the new game.
@@PrograError I don't think COIN was very good in the first place. I understand where they were coming from, but we all knew it was BS back then. For some reason, the higher brass didn't.
My only mod to that rig would include a Camelback water backpack along with the flexible straw in place of the suspenders. The front straps could have mounting points for a Katadyn Pocket Water Filter or an angle-head flashlight (or other light source) or map pouch on one strap with a compass pouch &/or med kit on the other strap alongside with the flexible straw. Of course, what's fitted on those shoulder straps is up to the individual & dependent on the mission profile. What these kiddies don't seem to know is that operating for long distances & for a long time not just in the jungles but also in swamps & marches as well as up in the boonies in South East Asia is you need WATER & LOTS of it, especially in the heat! And, on that note, I'd also fit 2 x Vietnam war-era water pouches each with an aluminum water canteen (don't like the taste of the water in the plastic canteens of the same era but that's just me) with an aluminum brewing cup on the war belt. Again, my reason for this is you're gonna sweat a LOT in jungle ops & so you're gonna need LOTS of WATER. I'd also use a chest rig for more magazines 'cuz when you're in firefights, you're gonna use up all 8 of those magazines REAL FAST! In that "sustainment pouch", I'd also pack a pair of water proof socks along with a small bottle of foot powder 'cuz your feet will be subject to foot rot in the jungle. But don't take my word for it. Just an old guy just ranting, is all.
I was in Germany 79-81 with 3ID. We still wore the Vietnam era canvas LBE as well. Next they’ll probably be dumping camouflage uniforms for the old OD. What’s old is new again!
reminds me of my Alice rig from the 82nd that still sits in the corner of my office. Butt pack, twin canteens, twin canteen cups, bayonet, 3 3-mag ammo pouches ,a SAW pouch for "stuff", and finally the twin pistol mag pouch for Leatherman and Gerber multi tool.
I joined the Marine Corps in 1997. That is exactly what we had when I first joined H-Harnes from Vietnam. Our Flacks were in Vietnam as well. When 9-11 and how our gear changed from then to 2020 when I retired. It changed of course to what we used in OIF/OEF and whatever we called it when we were fighting ICIS out of Iraq and other places. Not a new rig. I still use the rig now that I got before we moved to the new stuff. It works great. I also use my oversized Alic Pac which is also old school. Warfare never changes just the environment.
@@HangtownTactical only cause of weak leadership. The numbers so low they scared to enforce rules cause people will get out. This is the most lax and soft military in us history
Good to see the old 'H' harness make it back into circulation! In the 1980's I started with the Vietnam era 'H', then we moved to the 'Y' harness, (pretty much the same as the 'H'). It was great for operating in the jungles of Asia. Some guys modified old aviators and M203 grenade vests, sewing pockets on the front, this later led to the 'vest' Load Bearing Equipment (LBE). I wore that too but only in certain circumstances. During OIF and OEF we all started wearing vest and over time going with plate carriers and the infamous 'Hezbollah bra', front magazine pouches. Glad to see the harness coming back, thank God for common sense!
We always go back. We wore a mix of Y and H harness suspenders when i was in. Some things just work, now go back to the jungle boots we wore, they worked also. Cheers
Army soldiers? You mean politicians? Because if one thing is for sure is that they are going to have a hell of a time drafting younger generations since we grew up seeing how senseless these wars really were. I met one marine veteran, and he clearly warned me to never join the marines. All he got were bad knees, and ended up working at a warehouse.
In the infantry it’s very common. By the time you finish IBOLC and Ranger school you’re already 12 months into 2LT time and you promote at 18 months. A lot of LTs don’t even get a platoon until they’re a 1LT
Was in the Canadian Army Reserve from 2002 to 2010. We had the webbing and belt when I joined and it worked fine. It wasn't perfect, but no system is. We switched to tactical vests (TVs) about halfway through my tenure and they have pros and cons too. Pro: everything is more reachable (nothing is behind you back), but con: now it's front heavy and our TVs only came with 4 mag pouches whereas the old webbing you could theoretically put mag pouches all around your torso and carry like 20 mags not just 4 (but at the expense of carrying other things). The TV didn't really have any customization but it for sure had you covered for mags, grenades, a canteen, medical pouches, etc. The TV took the creativity away and made every soldier carry the same generic stuff, and you'd need other gear to specialize. When I played the role of OPFOR (aka Enemy Force) I would always switch back to the webbing and belt because I could do what I wanted with it and when you're basically a pirate, you want to be able to do whatever you want. 20 mags and no canteen or rations? You're the pirate, it's your call.... hope you're never thirsty or hungry. But it's always a trade off when you're kitting up. But I will say the whole experience is that not everything thing will work in every instance, and I think every soldier ought to have both or some combination. I don't think there's a universally good system, you just have to adapt to where you are: that's the soldier's job.
(former rifle platoon leader) It is a military tradition that generals want an army which can win the last war. I'm astounded the Army is thinking of this BEFORE we get into the next war - unlike Vietnam and post-911. So much of the last two decades was fighting in built-up areas where the soldiers fought standing up. To use a WWII joke, "I can't get any lower, my buttons are too thick." In jungles/forests you fight prone or very low; we moved all our gear to our sides and back.
What's old is new again
So happy they are coming back with this. I was in the era of plate carriers and embrace the sweat and weight. I was always drawn to this system and never understood why they went away with it.
@@SamsquatchTacticalbecause it's crap and most hate it.
@@Hinman_9124 shoot my unit enjoyed training with this setup when we was in Australia training. It beat the hell out of wearing plates lol.
@@SamsquatchTactical guess that our differences, I still remember Webb gear from 2001 when I went in and as Infantry it sucks balls. Its just as bad as the stupid dapps shoulder pads they tried to make us wear then the combat diaper.
my thoughts exactly. word for word.
That new LBE looks like it has come full circle - what was issued in Vietnam and then modified to a lighter material that was resistant to rot and used in the 1980s to 1990s.
That LT is a natural Guntuber
Ofc you would know Dadmin
Funny this guy is getting fame for something we all do in our basements 😂
Him to his Soldiers. “Shave”
Was that balaclava?.. Must have been my imagination...
Is admin recruiting to build his guntuber battalion?
The LT is showing what is functionally identical to the Load Bearing Equipment I wore in 1986. And predated my enlistment to the Vietnam war.
Yep... Old school LBE... I picked up one for outdoor activities now that I'm civilian. Good piece of equipment.
Ya but this costs more so that means it's better
But better
Military Industrial Complex printing more money apparently and charging $$$$$$$$$
@@danielconquer909 gotta keep the grift going
Ok back to Vietnam i got it
I hope they are prepared for the mosquitoes, those things are starting to become a menace ever since the ridiculous amount of rainfall.
Possibly if the theater expands to include the East Sea/Southeast Asia Sea/South China Sea but this time Vietnam will very likely be apart of the US Allies
Would be extremely interesting and kinda funny
@@DaFlyingMarMar the enemy of my enemy is my friend... sometimes
Lmao beat me to it
I was going to say looks exactly like my old "H" harness.
As a Vietnam era vet, this makes so much more sense to me than the "attach everything to the plate carrier" school. Reminds me of the Alice gear, but better. Alice didn't allow easy transfer of the load to the hips for approach marches, or getting your shoulder harness (with attached compass/bandage carriers) out of the way when shouldering your ruck. I also like the way he positioned his belt pouches on his hips, allowing him to go prone without grinding his mags into his chest, while also lowering his profile.
There's more modern and better made rigs. I've found a mix of belt kit and a chest rig make the best for a fighting load + sustainment. Body armor is nessasary in modern war, so well padded plate carriers with placard systems do fine
These whippersnappers don’t remember 2000 it worked wonders then still
It’s the same thing really. They just strapped a plate in the middle of the webbing and then put more straps on it. Everyone in here thinks they’re a genius for some reason…
We never stretched everything to the plate carrier whatever load out you set would clip over the plate carrier I never had anything directly connected to it
@johnkarcis5142 there was a mix the flc and taps are supposed to be used over the iotv but an actual plate carrier, not that turtle shell, you'll want to attach or use versatile placard systems. But even then you can add a belt rig, and many have for a long time, I do, even with a chest rig I have a sustainment belt
Old style web gear is new again.
They might like woodland camo too 🤔
@@gat569 It wouldn't shock me.
@@gat569😂😂😂
they have just taken what us in britain are doing
As an old Jungle Soldier I’m going to be frank here. That is not a new rig. We called it web gear or LBE (Load Bearing Equipment). The contents might be somewhat newer in how the carried resources are manufactured but from what this shave-tail listed as his “new” equipment is EXACTLY the same as what we carried back in the day.
Add the butt pack, the little pouch FA kit and the L flashlight.
As someone that joined and when to ft benning in 2002, this was standard issue… our tactic were straight out of Vietnam and desert storm
I had something similar when serving in Malaya with 1 RZNIR,our unit served there from 1959 to 1989.I enjoyed being in the jungle,first tear as GPMG gunner ,2nd year lead scout/tracker.
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Still have 2 sets from yard sales when I was 12, and another I kept in 98 when I got out. Good stuff. LBE worked great BUT I hated the Alice clips.
Ah yes. "Business Insider" = 99% military videos. Oh wait.....
“The goal is not a successful war.”
It's not 99% military videos. Go to their channel and you'll see some but there's other stuff than that.
more like Military Insider
@@ChronicAndIronica lot of what they post isn’t military related, it’s just that it is by far the most successful content they post
That's called an algorithm my guy.
Missed an opportunity to play "Fortunate Son" when he first held up the rig.
I assume the producers are smart to realize "Fortunate Son" was an Anti-war song and as such it would not make much sense to play it here. Seriously everytime someone like you mentions FS as if it's a war melody I get a headache from facepalming myself.
@@cruisinguy6024 He refers that the new rig looks like the one used in Vietnam
@@leonardoolivas4559 If you know you know.
@@cruisinguy6024 it was a song commonly associated with the Vietnam war and the belt rig that the guy is talking about looks like a modernized m1956 rig which was the belt rig used in the Vietnam war. I can't see how he was calling it a "war melody" by mentioning a song commonly associated with the conflict that the new belt rig reminds him of.
Edit: I am actually wrong the belt rig used in vietnam. the belt rig used in vietnam was the m1956 NOT the ALICE like I had mentioned, I apologize for the Mistake.
@@meta_cross1099 you’re right it’s commonly associated with the Vietnam war but in recent years people have been grossly misunderstanding its meaning and usage. The song is one of the most famous anti-war songs as part of the counter culture effort to end the conflict.
For some reason recently people have been associating it all wrong as if it’s a positive / pro military song which it is most definitely not.
People see helicopters and instantly thing Fortunate Son which is just odd.
British Army Webbing...suitabke for soldiers in all environments
lol yes
Beat me to it.
Facts. I wear a British Harness with my MTP for airsoft and I will never go back to a plate carrier or chest rig..
I used to have one mess tin pouch then all the rest changed out to water bottle pouches better for link
PLCE has always been the gold standard for webbing kit. Plate carriers with everything mollied on are crap for weight distribution. Separate plate carrier and loading gear means you can drop kit to rest and still be armoured.
I went from old school to ACUs and retired just before multicam. Basically we are just going back in time. Also, show of hands who remembers what a canteen tastes like?
👍I hope thumbs are okay.
@@nomadmarauder-dw9re they are acceptable given the constraints of social media.
@@raywalteroutdoors Plastic 😆
Moldy… Joined in 2002 and canteen was standard issue… had BDU, DCU, and ACU lol
Ass
I was rocking this in the British army. Came to the US Army, and was called “weird.”
Now I’m laughing.
You creeps are the world’s greatest threat.. 👎🇺🇸👎
Signed n American
American…..ha
Same as Australia, this dude thinks he just invented the wheel.
This guy invented a new solution for a solution already existed for more than a century lol
Military webbing was an American invention and America saved Europe twice for world wars. A simple “thanks” would suffice. Of course….You can teach your children all the lies you want but the real world has facts they will have to deal with which will undoubtedly make you look myopic later.
I was with the 25th back in 1989-1992. They introduced flack vests before I was done. Too hot, too heavy, and too burdened. We keep reinventing the wheel in big army. Contractors are now the key to small conflicts.
I was in C Quad.
Same time period.
Back to pre-GWOT. A lot like our kit for jungle in the 90s, a combo of both issue and civilian. I took a lot from the old jungle warfare best practices and doctrine, as well as Hackworth’s Vietnam Primer (which was primarily tactics). We didn’t have the same access to quality, purpose-built kit from civilian sources like it is now (pretty sparse back in the day) issue didn’t cover everything. Wish we had gun belts back then, would have helped. Love to see this approach. Common sense, leveraging lessons learned, and not being afraid to move away from GWOT doctrine. Jungle is a different animal. This is good work, it’s going to save lives and influence the battle space.
This is GWOT doctrine: people used whatever downrange, it only became standardized at the end with ISIS. It has almost always been mix and match.
Literally, going back to what the Brits have used for decades. Glad y'all caught on...took you a minute.
US used webbing in both world wars, korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf war too
@@pgon9097your point?
@@joshuahedges4882 british copied US to begin with is his point.
An evolution of the old Alice system from Vietnam
*m1956
a copy of the british battle belt system#?
i was thinking the same thing about the old alice gear
...but over complicated, with unnecessary additional straps, and inferior velcro closures.
M1956 was Vietnam, ALICE only started coming into service from 1973 Onward.
Its literally 1970's ALICE kit with updated suspender system😂
meanwhile in Singapore, we try to self-induce heat stroke
hahaha fr
Why?
@@Phonkanaut22 it’s a joke about how freaking hot it is over here and how the uniforms don’t help with the heat
@@Phonkanaut22 SG's SAF basically is the body armour school of thought, cover everything and anything with no serious adaptation to environment where average temp daily is ~32°C with high humidity.
And essentially just copy anything US do...
hell this webbing seems way better at load bearing than the new LBS belt, felt like an afterthought to the carrier
Dudes a total chad im sure the boy's love kicking it with the LT wish more leadership was like him.
Cool to see the gear come full circle, LBE for MOST dismounted operations is good, fits well with plate carriers and back packs. I really like the feature to drop lower when you have a ruck on. Hopefully Big Army could adopt with some modifications
The best thing about this setup is the clip system to change the height between a rucking and assault setup so you can wear a ruck without the hip belt getting in the way of the webbing. Otherwise, it's just a standard belt rig that the Brits and Aussies have been running as standard issue for decades (until fairly recently). It's hardly "prototype".
I was a machine gunner in Iraq (US Army). I wore a padded belt with suspenders over my body armor and while I looked "weird" because I didn't have all my ammo and kit mounted "up" on my chest, the way I ran the belt "British style" worked much better for me to climb in and out of turrets and to be able to go prone behind my M240.
Funny to see the 360 return to basically the old LBE load out of my time in the service during the 70s and early 80s!!
It's basically a modernized version of the M1956 Individual Load Carrying Equipment used by our guys in Vietnam. the M1956 gave way to the M1967, which replaces a lot of the old cotton canvas with nylon duck fabric; then the All-purpose Lightweight Individual Carrying Equipment (ALICE), which was common issue from the 80s all the way to the 90s when it was replaced with the MOLLE gear used by soldiers during the GWOT in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I appreciate that he speaks like a HUMAN rather than a scripted interviewee. The Army would do better to pick people with personality rather than shove a camera in front of a human turned robot.
Did some training with 1para in the UK and let me tell you, they ran the same damn set up. It felt nice and looked practical for the training mission we ran
Looks like modified TA50 with H harness suspenders. For jungle warfare look at the lessons learned from Vietnam and other conflicts instead of starting from scratch.
mhm.
the balance between function, agility, protection, and comfortability.
Has been tested and tried thru the ages.
one layer of protection (vest)
gear (belt/harness)
jacket(second layer protection)
the average life expectancy of a soldier in combat is 6 seconds.
the key is to find a way to increase their odds make it 9, 12, even 18 seconds.
Doesn't seem substantial.
but, now you have a fighter that survives 3 times longer.
Thank you all real soldiers and families for not only protecting all Americans
But also our allies around the world.
Gunbelt with suspenders. We were issued those in the USMC back when I was in a decade ago.
Dudes GOAT’d. All LT’s should strive to be like this LT right HERE.
WOW! Prototype of the ALICE system 60 years too late....
Probably a bit more comfortable 🤷
That's basically what we used in the 80's. Load bearing equipment (LBE) with Y Harness attached to buttpack. Mag pouches on pistol belt.
@wyomarine6341 I keep an LBE even today 30+ years later for outdoor activities. It's good piece of equipment. Just a few bucks at army surplus store and they usually have a variety of different types. I recommend getting one. Peace
Our style British webbing?
goofy suspenders?
Love it
We used the same design in Vietnam war.
Yes it’s very traditional shape. Love it ❤️
@Hawker12 webbing m8
This man talks with so much experience I can't stop listening
Nice to see some halfway decent equipment given to the Army instead of troops having to go purchase their own. Leave it to the Army to issue equipment made by people who have never had to wear it or use it.
Troops rarely really needed to ever go buy their own. They often were just geardo's that just wanted to be seen wearing the "sexy" gear. The issue stuff was fine for the most part.
@@irgilligan Lmao not even close. Most of the shit we get is hot garbage.
@@Avindur Lol, you in the texas guard or something. Becuase otherwise you don't know what you're talking about and you're just making it up...
@@irgilligan in the marines i bought all my load bearing stuff and plate carrier because they were still giving out IMTV's at that time and im not trying to feel like robocop in that damn thing
Its called alice gear, it worked for years, and still is very affective. Its crazy seeing everything come full circle again. Waiting for them to come up with an updated m81 woodland pattern. Like the marines did 20 years ago! Be nice to see some green again.
So back to the Vietnam recon setup
Recon? This was standard equipment. Except that the number of pouches was a lot less on the belt. To this day, standard basic load is 7 magazines. Back in the day extra mags were carried in a 4 pocket bandolier, or 2. Your load out focused on MG ammo belts, Claymore mines and radio batteries.
Love this loadout seires keep it coming
For those asking about body armor: You’d just put the belt kit on over a slick plate carrier like the one that comes with the MSV. Like he said it’s easy to adjust to fit over. Plus in the jungle it’s too hot to move with armor on. You would wear the belt kit, keep your armor in your ruck, stop close to the objective, and put your armor on with your belt kit over top
You’d wear the plate carrier over the harness of this. We’ve been wearing this kit for near on 2 decades like that in the Brit army.
Like our Brit counterpart said, if you get the suspension harnesses thin enough, you can also put the armor over this. I did this in Italy and it is great for jumping “TAPS exposed” with MSV’s slick carrier on as well. I didn’t need a waistband extension to make it all fit under the T-11 harness.
Great looking rig. I started on my carry rigs in the late ''60 - to early'70s .I used a similar type rig anywhere...not just jungle. One suggestion is that you can wear it higher on the body and even wear a gun belt below the "jungle" rig depending on the amount of carry mission gear required. Combining new tech with older gear, you can still wear a Camelback tied on to the suspenders. They are cooler and you can even open landscape down the front if you want to get closer to mother earth. If you look back the the M1 rifle belt in WW2, you may note it was worn above the waist. Thanks for the video.
Congratulations, you reinvented the old ALICE h-harness setup.
I love that this is on the internet for our ops to see. Thanks LT for providing examples of the potential actionable intelligence that you keep on your person. Maybe china and russia will post what their infantry officers keep on their person.
I'm just curious and would like your opinion. How would you put on your armor plate? I'm from South East Asia and totally agree with you that when fighting in the tropical rain forest, you really need a lot of air vent to keep body temp cool otherwise the heat will get you before the enemy's bullet. The armor plates and the bulky clothing the US and "western countries" soldiers wear totally reduce their fighting ability. We wear a very thin layer clothing just enough to protect us from the environment. But the armor plates are very important for protection. It would be great to invent something lighter than those steel plates that can be used in the tropical heat environment.
Eagle Industries makes something called the Ergo Performance System, that keeps the plates from being directly on your back and chest, allowing better ventilation. Militaur and 221B Tactical have their ventilation systems, though I’m not sure how well those two actually work, and then platatac has their ICE vent system, which I’ve also heard is pretty good. For staying cool for a single day, Qore Performance has their ice plates if you can freeze them, they will keep you cool until the ice is melted and your body heat/ambient temperature heat up the water inside, but if nothing else, it’s a solid way to have some cold drinking water instead of a squishy bladder. Just know if you drink half the water in the ice plate and still have half left in there, it’s gonna make a little noise, sloshing around inside. Might be best reserved keeping you cool and for emergency drinking use or only while actually fighting. Hope that helps
@@MochiMoose thanks very much for the Info.!
@wyomarine6341 I mean, yes, they didn’t, because Recon isn’t direct action. They absolutely have armor for rapid infil/exfil direct action missions. But also, have you used these cooling and ventilation systems? It helps ALOT. If armor is necessary, might as well make it as comfortable as you can. Though I agree, the weight is an issue, for now. There are already exoskeleton systems out there that reduce felt weight by much more than the additional weight of plates, but we’re still working on the power problem. Only about 2 hours for a small, ergonomic and lightweight exoskeleton, and that’s just not enough. We also haven’t adapted any vehicles for external systems like that, so transportation, getting in and out becomes an issue. We’re on our way to a practical solution though, just not there yet. For now, yep, I’m sticking to my LBE rig. Keeps the core as cool as it really can, easy on and off, and if you’ve gotta have 8-10lbs of weight more, might as well be ammo and sustainment kit, or tools that might make certain things in whatever that scenario is, easier for me, physically or mentally(METT-TC takes precedent, but you get the idea).
@wyomarine6341 I mean… the Ukraine conflict was the first to see the new toys fielded en masse in the form of kamikaze FPV drones in hunter-killer teams. These days, one might consider leaving the plates and instead throwing an over-under shotgun on the side of the pack with ammunition. I’d bet those Russian conscripts would have liked to have had the extra weight of a thermal or night vision device as they held hands, trying to navigate in the dark and not step on land mines and then getting ambushed by British and American volunteers who carried that weight. If even one of them carried that weight, it might have saved them all, atleast that day ;P
I can see the influence of Velocity Systems and BFG Belt LBE heavily in this belt, and I'm glad the Army took influence from two good belt systems.
Brits looking at us like we're crazy for discovering belt kit. All seriousness, this stuff looks solid. The issue I see is for vehicle mounted units like stryker brigaes or mechanized brigades. Belt kit doesn't work well in those conditions.
old warriors never die, they just go back to the gear they had when they were young....
One high speed LT. Has all his tabs, good presentation, he will go far.
Oh Pohakulua! So many cold, windy and bitter nights that spent there!.never thought that I'd see snow in Hawaii.
we really swung right back to vietname era ALICE gear, lmaooo. I fucks with it though honestly
fascinating. great advertisement for future soldiers to learn what's what and why it what it is. passionate soldier and great example for all. great leader
Literally british PLCE but modernised lmao
That's kinda the point, bud...
Even further, pretty much modernised ALICE and M1967 webbing.
Look at the harness, there are much better options out there.
More like pattern 57 😂
Nothing like plce, much more like alice
Is someone going to tell them about a H Harness system?
But this one has double the buckles
LTs are where everyone gets their good ideas and experience
where is the body army? If you were trying a new load bearing system, should you not test it as would be worn in combat. What is wrong with the LBE
Look up British army virtus kit. Webbing first, then body armour, then rifle then daysack goes on.
@@Rolonic Didn't look that up yet, but sounds mental. How does that work haha.
In terms of any environment H suspenders and belt is what a fighter needs. It can carry your fighting load and squad ammo. Leaving your camel back or assault pack for water, and other mission gear or a ruck for sustainment.
LT is such a bro, I love it.
Welcome back ALICE.
so its modern alice gear
What is new is old. What is old is new. I wore this in early 2000s when we still shined boots.
Webbing - Standard issue in the British Army 🤣
Canadian Forces - Specifically the Army used to issue load bearing webbing up until the 90's. Looks like the wheel has gone round again, and now its back.
i heard the "fishing vest" they currently use is hot garbage
We never should have moved away from this style of rig. The "counter-insurgency" strategy never worked. We should have been outfitted and trained for long-term, sustained, independent operations. Very short-sighted leadership back then. I'm happy that newer leaders have some common sense and can see the writing on the wall.
TBH it's more like they have no choice... COIN is a different game. And they are done with that game. What's happening in Ukraine, that's the new game.
@@PrograError I don't think COIN was very good in the first place. I understand where they were coming from, but we all knew it was BS back then. For some reason, the higher brass didn't.
My only mod to that rig would include a Camelback water backpack along with the flexible straw in place of the suspenders. The front straps could have mounting points for a Katadyn Pocket Water Filter or an angle-head flashlight (or other light source) or map pouch on one strap with a compass pouch &/or med kit on the other strap alongside with the flexible straw. Of course, what's fitted on those shoulder straps is up to the individual & dependent on the mission profile. What these kiddies don't seem to know is that operating for long distances & for a long time not just in the jungles but also in swamps & marches as well as up in the boonies in South East Asia is you need WATER & LOTS of it, especially in the heat! And, on that note, I'd also fit 2 x Vietnam war-era water pouches each with an aluminum water canteen (don't like the taste of the water in the plastic canteens of the same era but that's just me) with an aluminum brewing cup on the war belt. Again, my reason for this is you're gonna sweat a LOT in jungle ops & so you're gonna need LOTS of WATER. I'd also use a chest rig for more magazines 'cuz when you're in firefights, you're gonna use up all 8 of those magazines REAL FAST! In that "sustainment pouch", I'd also pack a pair of water proof socks along with a small bottle of foot powder 'cuz your feet will be subject to foot rot in the jungle. But don't take my word for it. Just an old guy just ranting, is all.
Wow they found the LBE
Old school belt rigs are totally bodacious, dude! Radical!
Prototype? I literally got issued this at fort Hood six years ago lol
Welcome back, ALICE webbing.
This dude Calderone is going to be one hell of a company commander 🤩🤩🤩🤩 MQ for every OER!
Newer design but pretty much the came LBE we carried in Germany 48 years ago.
I was in Germany 79-81 with 3ID. We still wore the Vietnam era canvas LBE as well. Next they’ll probably be dumping camouflage uniforms for the old OD. What’s old is new again!
reminds me of my Alice rig from the 82nd that still sits in the corner of my office.
Butt pack, twin canteens, twin canteen cups, bayonet, 3 3-mag ammo pouches ,a SAW pouch for "stuff", and finally the twin pistol mag pouch for Leatherman and Gerber multi tool.
It's the ALICE gear, just modernized. Very nice.
Business Insider spreading the love for said “prototype combat rig”. Does Business Insider have a stake in this company? 🧐
Lmao they aren't that big. Civilians buy tac gear from them all the time.
SO Tech is a tiny company. Doubt Insider has a stake.
I joined the Marine Corps in 1997. That is exactly what we had when I first joined H-Harnes from Vietnam. Our Flacks were in Vietnam as well. When 9-11 and how our gear changed from then to 2020 when I retired. It changed of course to what we used in OIF/OEF and whatever we called it when we were fighting ICIS out of Iraq and other places. Not a new rig. I still use the rig now that I got before we moved to the new stuff. It works great. I also use my oversized Alic Pac which is also old school. Warfare never changes just the environment.
The watch gotta be out of regs
Same with the hair some SGM is flipping sh!t right now.
@@aaronvillarreal2812 facts. I'm sure off duty he identifies as a trans female gender type. Military gone downhill literally. Standards and all.
He’s an officer … he’ll get away with it lol
@@HangtownTactical only cause of weak leadership. The numbers so low they scared to enforce rules cause people will get out. This is the most lax and soft military in us history
He’s also not a Pog
we really went full circle
Yep....LBE revamped...there is nothing new under the sun.
Good to see the old 'H' harness make it back into circulation! In the 1980's I started with the Vietnam era 'H', then we moved to the 'Y' harness, (pretty much the same as the 'H'). It was great for operating in the jungles of Asia. Some guys modified old aviators and M203 grenade vests, sewing pockets on the front, this later led to the 'vest' Load Bearing Equipment (LBE). I wore that too but only in certain circumstances. During OIF and OEF we all started wearing vest and over time going with plate carriers and the infamous 'Hezbollah bra', front magazine pouches.
Glad to see the harness coming back, thank God for common sense!
Yep, the Ole LBE is back. Sucks for in and out of Vehicles.
So innovative. Doesnt look anything like a standard 1960s-2000s webbing.
We always go back. We wore a mix of Y and H harness suspenders when i was in. Some things just work, now go back to the jungle boots we wore, they worked also.
Cheers
sooo basically just webbing?
absolutely a banger of a video
Army soldiers? You mean politicians? Because if one thing is for sure is that they are going to have a hell of a time drafting younger generations since we grew up seeing how senseless these wars really were. I met one marine veteran, and he clearly warned me to never join the marines. All he got were bad knees, and ended up working at a warehouse.
What war throughout human history wasn't senseless
Nice to know my old LBE is in fashion again (although I preferred to rock the old woodland camo LB vest).
This isn’t new 😂😂
Dude is knocking Crye Precision right out of their saddle.
Just seems like Alice gear with molle
That Soileater BMTH V3! lets go!
Wearing standard issue MILES gear lol. Also LT needs a haircut.
He did say they had just been in the jungle for a few weeks and are in the field lol.
No, his hair is hot
How common is it for a 1st LT to still be a platoon leader and not company XO or battalion staff officer?
In the infantry it’s very common. By the time you finish IBOLC and Ranger school you’re already 12 months into 2LT time and you promote at 18 months. A lot of LTs don’t even get a platoon until they’re a 1LT
Was in the Canadian Army Reserve from 2002 to 2010. We had the webbing and belt when I joined and it worked fine. It wasn't perfect, but no system is. We switched to tactical vests (TVs) about halfway through my tenure and they have pros and cons too. Pro: everything is more reachable (nothing is behind you back), but con: now it's front heavy and our TVs only came with 4 mag pouches whereas the old webbing you could theoretically put mag pouches all around your torso and carry like 20 mags not just 4 (but at the expense of carrying other things). The TV didn't really have any customization but it for sure had you covered for mags, grenades, a canteen, medical pouches, etc. The TV took the creativity away and made every soldier carry the same generic stuff, and you'd need other gear to specialize.
When I played the role of OPFOR (aka Enemy Force) I would always switch back to the webbing and belt because I could do what I wanted with it and when you're basically a pirate, you want to be able to do whatever you want. 20 mags and no canteen or rations? You're the pirate, it's your call.... hope you're never thirsty or hungry. But it's always a trade off when you're kitting up.
But I will say the whole experience is that not everything thing will work in every instance, and I think every soldier ought to have both or some combination. I don't think there's a universally good system, you just have to adapt to where you are: that's the soldier's job.
Everything is coming full circle... What is old is new and history is a wheel ☸
Tbh this looks like some of the rig bags we used for REMS in wildland
Appears to be an upgraded version of the LBE rig we used during the 70s - 90s.
24 years evolution of combat gear...just to go back to the h-harness
Most army thing ever. Hey go test this jungle kit in the high dessert. Chef kiss.
(former rifle platoon leader) It is a military tradition that generals want an army which can win the last war. I'm astounded the Army is thinking of this BEFORE we get into the next war - unlike Vietnam and post-911. So much of the last two decades was fighting in built-up areas where the soldiers fought standing up. To use a WWII joke, "I can't get any lower, my buttons are too thick." In jungles/forests you fight prone or very low; we moved all our gear to our sides and back.
I got rid of the metal clips and used 550 cord to secure my LBE suspenders to my belt.
Wow, going back to what I had coming in....amazing innovation.
So you're reinventing the wheel. This is just ALICE in multicam.