When Daeron made that "You have a dragon, he stands before you" remark, I can imagine Viserys immediately inwardly kicking himself for thinking this 14-year-old edgelord was mature enough to rule without a regency.
The irony is that he succeeded, and the Dornish had to resort to red wedding levels of dishonour to kill him. Also personally I like Daeron, it seems to me that most of the fandom dislikes him because they like Dorne and the current house Martel in the story, which isn’t exactly fair, since Daeron didn’t do anything outlandishly bad or out of touch with his ancestors, he’s just singled out because he didn’t have dragons. And like I said, he won without them where his ancestors couldn’t win with dragons. Also he was a sort of Alexander the Great type of character for the story, so he had to die young and childless (even though Alexander had kids) and like Alexander his demise was through treachery.
THIS. I've seen so many Daeron I haters spew crap at him for starting a war and getting people killed but they never stop to acknowledge how dishonorable the Dornish killed him and his supporters. A peace banner is supposed to be something sacred.
@@NRV0boo fucking hoo sorry when you’re being invaded you don’t spare your invaders any courtesy at all. His dumbass was to full of himself to realize the people you’re invading hate you and will use any means necessary to keep their freedom.
Daeron's actually a lot more like Robb, someone with a strong sense of pride and personal honor, a great military leader, but one who put too much faith in the power of a truce and ended up getting betrayed and killed while never truly being defeated
Obviously Robb’s adopted epithet “The Young Wolf” was a nod to he and Jon’s favorite hero, King Daeron the Young Dragon. They’re such tragic echoes of each other
Its actually really interesting to learn about Daerons lads trip and its consequences. Many lords knights and houses especially in the Reach, Stormlands and Marches had spent centuries fighting Dornishmen, then the realm went into the sandbox to try and complete the Targaryen conquest, and then the generation of Daeron and Aegon the unworthy spent much time fighting against the Dornish growing bitter hatred. Then Daeron II married house Martell and integrated Dorne into the seven kingdoms. Now this was good foreign policy, but it's understandable that many lords who's families have spent actual millennia fighting the Dornish wouldn't be too thrilled that they have joined without even having to drop their title of prince or princess. This feeling of betrayal and anti-dornish sentiment gave the Blackfyres much of their support in the Reach and the Marches.
@dsalad9928 not really, considering they’ve been on opposite sides of the continent. The only thing I could think of would be Eddard Starks involvement in the death of Arthur and Ashara Dayne, but even then for one reason or another House Dayne doesn’t seem to have a grudge considering they named one of their children after him (Edric “Ned” Dayne)
@dsalad9928 They have more reason to hate the Lannisters than the Starks. The Starks killed some Dornish in combat while the Lannisters order the death of a Dornish women and her children and that woman and her children died brutally.
also if we’re being honest 10K men lost for all of Dorne doesn’t seem like a lot, in fact it seems normal, it isn’t just Dornishmen they are dying too, it’s the conditions of the land, which are arguably the worst in the seven kingdoms
And the climate of dorne (which is probably HOT for those living in the upper parts of Westeros. Yes,people can adjust to these conditions but proper food,living areas should be factored in. And in a war, you can't always ensure this.)
No, the biggest Targaryen failure was not adapting to losing their Dragons. By the time of Robert's Rebellion, House Targaryen was a paper tiger (dragon) dependent on sketchy oaths of loyalty, and severely outnumbered by the other kingdoms of Westeros. No longer could they send out a single seasoned dragon rider to destroy entire fleets and armies.
Which was why aegon iii actions was even more damning to the future of the house .I mean i understand that you are depressed and possess a hatred of dragons due to seeing one brutality kill your mother infront of you and is the cause of death for most of your family but you should think about the future of your house .House targaryen at the end of the day has less resources than your usual lord paramount and their power is completely reliant on dragons .He waa a grown man in his 30s when the last dragon had died surely by then he could have come to some terms about all of that .But no he simply let the last living dragonlord family be bereft of dragons .The loss of dragons made house targaryen vulnerable and which was what made it possible for it to be overthrown .All it needed was a bad king and its curtains for the whole dynasty .If only viserys ii had a longer reign i think the royal family would have become more bureaucratized and centralised .A handful of people to run an entire continent is insane and he would undoubtedly have pushed reforms that would have helped house targaryen both economically and politically .The crownlands could have been turned into wealthy and a prosperous place like the free cities with a few city charters ,confiscation of lands and towns from non-targaryens ,a few canals connecting reach ,riverlands and the westerlands to the crownlands,the establishment of a royal bank and a mint ,industrial espionage to increase the number of goods and the overall quality of goods produced so that there is more stuff to trade overall .The abundant supply of wood in the nearby stormlands ia perfect for a shipbuilding industry and another branch of the citadel being open in the capital to increase the amount of literate and educated peoples with a total of fee of only 25 silver dragons ,lets say would have brought about a cultural renaissance on westoros even if in the short term ,losses are incurred .The rule of hosue targaryen waa always dysfunctional ,they never had any great innovations that they could be particularly be proud of and their rule was only reactive not proactive .Which meant so as long as there is peace and stability they wouldn't do anything else for developing their own positions and the seven kingdoms as a whole . (Ah fucking autocorrect always messing shit up , can't live with you or without you )
@@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ruAegon couldn't have done nothing about the existinsion of the Dragons after the dance it was inevitable. Also he had more important things to do like fixing the real after it's most destructive war and trying to keep it together during all the crisis of his reign. Also he died young so we don't know what he would have done with an extra 20 years or so
@@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru Aegon the 3 didn't do anything wrong mans actually tried to restore the dragons he just didn't know how too like every other Targaryen king
@@thegoat4238He was sitting on mountains of dragon-lore at the time .Had he made a more sincere attempt to replenish the dragon-population the dragons would have never gone extinct .He only made half-assed attempts at best to make it seem like he is doing something about it
@@debater452The last dragons died in 153 a.c and he himself died in 157 a.c .He would have been at least 32 years old when the last targaryen dragons had perished .By that point in time he couldn't have done anything about the dragons .He didn't fix the realm after it was torn asunder by the dance. It was tyland lannister who did all of the necessary actions to restore and rebuild the realm .He wasn't that great of a ruler as you make him seem like .He was a king who always relegated the matters of administration by appointing skilled and capable individuals like tyland lannister or his younger brother Viserys Ii .It wasn't important ? What the hell are you going on about ? Of course it is a most important task ,a task perhaps as important as mending the realm which is the ensuring of the survival of the dragons. The future of House Targaryen relays and depends on it.
There are many similarities between Robb Stark and Daeron I. Both are boy-kings fighting a war. They won many battles but in the end lost the war. And, of course, they have a similar nickname, and end up dying through treachery
Bruh. This is like calling Henry V of England a failed conqueror. Just because his conquest didn't last doesn't mean he didn't actually conquer Dorne. Also, most of the men lost did not die under his command. You can't really blame that loss of life on him. He headed back as soon as there were problems. His death was the equivalent of a scorpion hitting Meraxes' eye. You can't even say he wasn't prepared since he had the best knights in his kingdom with him too. There's a reason he has such a high place in the Westerosi mythos and it's not because Westeros remembered him as incompetent. Keep in mind that he was the only Targaryen who was given the epithet "Dragon" besides the Conqueror himself.
I’d compare it to the Italian conquest of Ethiopia where they won for like 2-5 years and as soon as Italian command stumbled the Ethiopians were able to just immediately supplant them with basically no trouble and put themselves back to where they once were. Like yes he did conquer it but it was a failed conquest especially since the dornish were still going to resist beyond their feigned bending of the knee. His conquest didn’t really leave a mark on Dorne in any meaningful way and that’s why I would argue it’s a failed conquest, that’s how they argue the Italian conquest of Ethiopia as being temporary and failed rather than being an actual case of colonization.
He was no coward by any means and for all we know, he wasn't unneccessarily cruel either, which already would have made him one of the better kings if he eventually got to rule. I think that with the right counsel, he could have grown to become more reasonable and learn to put other things in front of personal glory. But yeah, what we got was... that. Lots of dead people for an ultimately failed conquest. He was no Aenys or even Mad King level of failure, but all his accomplishments were short-lived and ultimately, cost him his own life as well. Ironically, as stupid as they were, Daeron and Baelor actually managed to lay the foundation for Dorne joining the realm (in a very different way) later.
Daerons two biggest mistakes were 1. to trust the Dornish (never trust the Dornish) 2. to die young and leave the throne to "baELor THe bLeSseD" Overall he was a very decent Targaryan King imo
@@badyoutuber1986 A King does have to reward his leal bannerman who aided him in his conquest somehow - and giving land to govern is a common way of doing so. your comment makes no sense
@@arturleperoke3205 dorn is known to have beef with the storm lands and especially the reach for a long time leaving a reachman to guard your new territory known for hating reach men use stupid if you wish that the people don't retaliate
Daemon's friend, "Crispin Cole" fought the Dornish incursion. Even at times of peace, the Princes of Dorne have no control over those whom they station along the border. Seems like the Dornish like to raid the borderlands from time-to-time, so it makes a lot of sense to want to conquer them. End the problem.
I don't think he was a failure tbh, certainly at least not the greatest failure of House Targaryen. Daeron I was a promising young prince, already started his reign better off than his father, and it was said that he and his uncle worked rather well together, and it was hoped they would continue to do so for longer. Daeron gathering the realm together in a single effort could've been seen as a way to perhaps bring Westeros closer together after the cataclysmic Dance of the Dragons split it apart in more ways than one. (Granted, there are better ways to do it, sure, but Daeron wasn't a slouch, and far from an idiot) He did, technically, conquer Dorne. It's just that the Dornish, no matter how many times they get glassed or annihilated, simply don't care how many lives are spent in the name of Dornish independence. In the end, Aegon and Daeron did succeed in subduing Dorne, they just never officially joined till Daeron II. Always hate it when people say "Dorne managed to beat the Targaryens and stay independent", and I'm like... yeah sure, they got annihilated both times (3 times, if we count Jaehaerys and his sons sinking their fleet in less than 24 hours). The Maesters have an entire, massive book on Daeron's conquest and it's said to be a very impressive read. Alyn Velaryon, the Chad of Driftmark himself, joined Daeron and was with him all the way, which also says a lot. Daeron did well with what he had, and for a time, succeeded and managed to make things work. Not for long, sure, but he was far from stupid. Not like his cousin Aegon IV would be when he tried to "conquer Dorne". Also, why are all the Young Dragon's haters forgetting that Dorne, without provocation, planned to invade Westeros during Jaehaerys' reign for... seemingly no good reason. If anything, the fact they tried goes to show that at least Daeron wasn't going off to Dorne without cause or provocation in the past
King Daeron's only mistake is his mercy. He should have executed the Martells and given power over Dorne to the House of Dayne. They have honor and would not rebel against the Targaryens
Given House Martells popularity that would have been stupid. Also remember after the initial invasion House Martell and the other lords of Dorne submitted. It was the "small folk" who continued the resistance later joined by more and more of the Nobility. As for Daeron I's "mercy" no doubt the "small folk" with their land devasted by a foreign army, suffering looting, killing and rape much appreciated Daeron I's "mercy".
He doesn't say that later .He said that when he was playing a game with robb when he was still a toddler pretending to be the dragonknight among other historical figures. He simply recalls that later in his life in the books .He still wanted to be a conqueror and lead men to glory and still idolised daeron I when he became the Lord-Commander
I think this is pretty unfair to Daeron, the only thing he did during his reign was winning a war, and he was dishonourably murdered under a flag of truce. Now you can say he could have expected that, the Dornish are crafty bastards, but still, we won't ever know what would have happened if he lived longer, so putting near the bottom is not that fair imo.
@@CrusaderChris So did Aegon the Conquerer, the only difference is that Aegon had a dragon so didn't get assassinated. Edit: Also, thanks for replying!
@@KaiHung-wv3ul not really hotd revealed aegon conquered for the sake of stopping the long night not glory or power also his dragon didn't prevent him from being assassinated his sister did .
That was in a show, and honestly, it never made sense how Viserys could have known that since Jaehaerys was never his father's heir.@@thatoneblackdude3333
Actually, what he could have done was offer Daena and possibly Ealana in marriage to House Martell, while he himself could take a Martell bride for his Queen. Not sure it would work, but might have gone a long way to help the Dornish accept being conquered.
@@user-ti5cw1ug6l And they both left a foreigner in charge. Little tip people usually don't like being told what to do by a foreign overlord, the Spanish royal family at the time may have been unpopular but at least they were Spanish.
An similar figure in history that many may not know is Dom Sebastião. He was the king of Portugal in the later 16th century, a young king and deeply desired to start a holy crusade, which he did by attacking the moors in the south. He failed, a ton of people died, including himself, leaving the throne of Portugal without an heir. The next of king was spanish nobility, resulting in the Iberian Union that lasted 60 years on which a monarch ruled both over Portugal and Spain but deeply favoured the spanish side. The weird thing is that in the very last years of the 19th century, there was this commune named Canudos in Brasil, which one of the main features of it's identity was a deep reverence over monarchy, since the republic was just declared and were later massacred by the national guard, but going to the point, those guys holdheartly believed that Dom Sebastião would come back as a holy messiah and saved them
I adore your videos. Have you thought about maybe doing a live stream breakdown of seasons of GoT or HOTD? It’d be interesting to hear your thoughts about each episode of the tv show. Or just talk about the books. I’m good with that too. GoT is one of my favorite stories too. I see the shows and books as separate entities. At least that’s my view on things.
I appreciate the kind words! I agree with your view of the shows and books as separate entities (I consider all adaptations to essentially be fan-fiction, with their own separate canon). I don't have plans to do any livestreams since that's just not a medium I'm comfortable with at the moment. I'm considering making a short video each week when HOTD 2 airs, but if I do, the format wouldn't be much of a review. I don't have much to add that won't already be covered by all the big channels. My HOTD videos might end up a bit more satirical than my usual stuff, so idk if it will everyone's cup of tea. We'll see. Thanks for watching!
@@CrusaderChris I understand. I think it’s a great idea about HOTD 2. I was so pleasantly surprised and a bit shocked how good season 1 was. I wasn’t expecting much after the travesty of seasons 5-8 of GoT. It reminded me of good GoT tv show again and not a garbled mess again.
Dhaeron I is a very interesting character in ASOIAF, and I hope we get to learn more about him if Fire and blood gets a sequel. What’s interesting about Dhaeron for me is that he is a tongue in cheek reference to and subversion of Alexander the Great by George, being a great young conqueror who’d seek to finish the work of their predecessors and bring to heel a foreign land; except where Alexander succeeded, Dhaeron failed (yes, dying on campaign counts as failure, and betrayal does not discount the fact that he lost) and furthermore; what he sought to achieve was finished through marriage and his successors rather than through conquest. Compare that to Alexander who actually did achieve his goals and conquered the known world; he won. But the empire he built basically collapsed within half a decade after his death. Dhaeron was impressive and heroic for his time, sure; but his legacy is overshadowed by his family such as Aemon the Dragonknight, or Baelor the blessed; or even Dhaeron II for actually unifying the seven kingdoms. Alexander achieved everything he wanted in life, only for his accomplishments to crumble in the hands of his squabbling successors, but his name lives on in stories as a mythical hero. Dhaeron on the other hand failed horribly to do what he wanted, but his goals were achieved and maintained for centuries after his death. Yet his name is overshadowed by the people who brought his dream to fruition, and the warrior king was remembered as a footnote whose glorious conquest was just a small misstep to unification.
I wonder if GRRM hasn't based Daeron in Portuguese king Sebastião. He became king at a very young age and died childless at 24 when he went to war in Morocco to retake the outposts Portugal once held there.
I guess rubies are a bit too unrealistic for a fantasy series with dragons and thrones made of melted swords. HBO didn't put a ruby on the pommel of Blackfyre either. 😔
@@CrusaderChris they just got lazy having such amazing artworks they could create great crown and the hairstyles are also not it where are braid on men ?
This man had the potential to restore his House to its former glory. Instead he died useless. I do find his character interesting. I hope GRRM does more with the remaining Targ
I wouldnt be surprised if GiGi Martin based Daeron on a mix of Richard the Lionheart with a bit of Alexander the Great. A young king going on a conquering spree to conquer a desert kingdom and died young.
I think people like him go for glory....and according to me he succeeded as he brought dorne under him...well he may not be yhe prefect king but he got what he wanted....and death is too less of a price for the glory
I mean, why didn't a single Targ ever make that marriage pact with the Martels before? Had the Greens or the Blacks made that same deal the Dance could gone extremely differently. Or hell had Jaehaerys arranged for Aemon and one of his daughters to marry Martel's equivalents, Dorne would have been a part of the Iron Throne sparing future generations over pointless wars.
I think George RR Martin taken the inspiration for daeron 1 from Alexander the great.. as he was also great at military conquest and was actually a bit lucky during early conquest .. but instead Martin taken the luck from daeron 1
Daeron was a good military leader, spectacular even But he was naive. He still accepted a peace meeting despite the fact the Dornish rebels already broke their promise before about bending the knee At that point, there is no more peace meetings. Only fire and blood
Um... Myriah Martell was quite famously robust and had four healthy sons with Daeron II, which also includes Gigachads like Baelor Breakspear And Maekar 'The Anvil' Targaryen. Also they were the most stubborn Targaryen loyalists even after Robert's Rebellion. And it's Elia you are talking about, Aerys chose her, not the other way around. Based on what we know, it was likely that her original betrothed would have been Jaime Lannister(!)
He wasn’t really a failure though. Daeron succeeded in making Dorne bow to the Dragon Kings and when they rebelled he went right back down there and started winning again. His only real mistake was that he trusted the rebels instead of just keep slaughtering them like he had successfully been doing since he returned to Dorne. Honestly if he just kept slaughtering the rebels and used his hostages to force the lords of Dorne to cooperate then he could have held Dorne without much problem.
12:55 at least he was good enough a father to daena that she "worshiped him" and constantly kept on her person the necklace he gifted to her. 12:5612:56
I think he is a inspiered by Charles xii of sweden, because he is a young king that chrushes his foes and has a statue in a major city that points towards the enemy (Russia And Dorne)
Jon Snow and Robb Stark greatly admired this guy. He didn’t 100% suck. He was vanquished though, and “history” likes to pile on the vanquished. Another example is “Ned Stark was an utter moron”
A question I have had for a while is why is why Dornish were so persistent in resisting the Targaryens? The Rhoynar abandoned their language, literature, religion, philosophy and anything that could meaningfully tie them to their original Rhoynish Culture and assimilated completely into being Andal Westerosi more so then the first men of the north, or the Ironborn of the Iron Islands. But while the First men and Ironborn submit to Targaryen rule with very little resistance the Dornish fight on to quite frankly ludicrous levels and I don't see why. What was left of their culture to protect. They burned their books as they burned their ships, they abandoned worship of mother Rhoyne, and forgot their mother tongue. What hadn't they given up for safety in westeros that the Targaryens threatened to take away?
@@yourdad6902 a fair argument and of course I would rather fight to the death than be bonded. But that begs the other question and the crux of my argument. Why is it that the Dornish fought on for so long, through so much hardship while the other 6 kingdoms submitted in at least 2 cases without a fight (the North and the Vale)? Is their freedom worth so little to them?
Aside from Martin's somewhat "simple" reasonings at times, I'd guess it comes down to Dorne's culture and weather/terrain. A great comparison is with the North. The North could, if it wanted, pretty much shut the Neck up, tell Westeros to take a dive, and keep on doing what they were doing. Especially after the dragons died. But the "typical" Northmen are all about honour and duty. The fact their elders do the "I'm going out for a hunt, I may be some time" when a bad winter hits just to avoid being drain on the food reserves proves this. Putting aside any prophecy theories, Torrhen Stark looked at Aegon and his dragons and weighed the cost of telling the Targ to piss off and making it stick vs how many of his people's lives would be lost in the process. Stark was aware that all it took to save his people's lives was given up the crown to become a Warden of the North (a "Lesser King" in all but name), then return to Winterfell to keep on doing what he was always doing. Swallowing his personal pride for the sake of his people. Dorne is the opposite extreme of weather but with roughly equivalent terrain cutting it off from the rest of the continent. However, their culture comes across as also the opposite to the North - being more about individual expression and personal freedoms, to the point pride is their greatest weakness (as honour is for the North - Starks especially). I don't get any sense that many Martell Princes/Princesses cared about the cost their pride was forcing on their kingdoms. How many Dornish were killed throughout the years? How much property damage did they have to repair? And even when there were "attempts" at bending the knee, there was never any reigning in of the smallfolk/rebellions that then restarted hostilities. It took Martells marrying into the Targaryen family for the Dornish to even start paying lip service to the throne, something that could have been done long before the Daeron-Myriah and Daenerys-Maron double marriages. While the Martells won in the end, their pride cost their kingdom and its people. I'm sure many Dornish would say it was worth it, but there's a strong sense that the Targs (mostly) allowed the Kingdoms to run as they willed with just an oversight and some overarching laws getting in the way - A kingdom version of the US, in some ways. Given it took 187 years for a Dorne Prince to kneel, there's no excuse for previous generations not to be aware that they weren't going to lose their culture (see the North) by bending the knee. It was pure spite and pride (and for me, an obsession with personal liberty) that had them hold out for so long.
@@morlath4767 interesting points and I can certainly get the arguments and yeah Westeros certainly feels more like a medieval take on America rather then anything in Europe. And to be honest for me it just speaks to a lack of individual culture from the kingdoms, the Targaryens mostly let them govern themselves and there was no problem their for the most part. There were no religious tensions with the High Septon decrying the Northmen or the Ironborn as Infidels. The North did not murder Septons who were preaching in the north nor did the restrictions on Ironborn raiding cause fundamental problems for Ironborn society to the point where the Targaryens had to actively subdue them. Additionally there are no border disputes between the kingdoms nor is there any real attempt for usurpation until Robert Baratheon. It all feels to clean and sanitized Tywin wipes out 2 longstanding houses for a single rebellion just against his family but the Targaryens let house Peake commit high treason 3 seperate times and a murder a king but they are fine. It just feels like the Targaryens united Westeros no one really had any problem with it barring the coded non white kingdom and even they eventually got on board and the Targaryens as a whole were swell and had to do it to save the world. Is how it reads and I am not a fan of that.
Daeron got that dragon in him. He’s the real meaning of blood of the dragon. Words and actions.
When Daeron made that "You have a dragon, he stands before you" remark, I can imagine Viserys immediately inwardly kicking himself for thinking this 14-year-old edgelord was mature enough to rule without a regency.
All hail Daeron Atreides, first of his name!
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It’s him! Will you ever cover smt having to do with Daeron?
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I Wonder how an Arms from dune Trained to Mostly fight in Blade combat with shielded opponents would fare against traditional fantasy soldiers
The irony is that he succeeded, and the Dornish had to resort to red wedding levels of dishonour to kill him. Also personally I like Daeron, it seems to me that most of the fandom dislikes him because they like Dorne and the current house Martel in the story, which isn’t exactly fair, since Daeron didn’t do anything outlandishly bad or out of touch with his ancestors, he’s just singled out because he didn’t have dragons. And like I said, he won without them where his ancestors couldn’t win with dragons. Also he was a sort of Alexander the Great type of character for the story, so he had to die young and childless (even though Alexander had kids) and like Alexander his demise was through treachery.
THIS. I've seen so many Daeron I haters spew crap at him for starting a war and getting people killed but they never stop to acknowledge how dishonorable the Dornish killed him and his supporters. A peace banner is supposed to be something sacred.
@@NRV0 classic Dorne lovers
Exactly u was finna say the se thing he won and they set him up
@@NRV0boo fucking hoo sorry when you’re being invaded you don’t spare your invaders any courtesy at all.
His dumbass was to full of himself to realize the people you’re invading hate you and will use any means necessary to keep their freedom.
@@NRV0 Lots of wars have been won through deception
Daeron's actually a lot more like Robb, someone with a strong sense of pride and personal honor, a great military leader, but one who put too much faith in the power of a truce and ended up getting betrayed and killed while never truly being defeated
Obviously Robb’s adopted epithet “The Young Wolf” was a nod to he and Jon’s favorite hero, King Daeron the Young Dragon. They’re such tragic echoes of each other
Can you say he’s a great military leader when so many of his men died?
@@ChromaticEagle he actually did better in Dorne than Aegon the Conqueror. He doesn't have any dragons, but he managed to get that far.
Its actually really interesting to learn about Daerons lads trip and its consequences.
Many lords knights and houses especially in the Reach, Stormlands and Marches had spent centuries fighting Dornishmen, then the realm went into the sandbox to try and complete the Targaryen conquest, and then the generation of Daeron and Aegon the unworthy spent much time fighting against the Dornish growing bitter hatred.
Then Daeron II married house Martell and integrated Dorne into the seven kingdoms. Now this was good foreign policy, but it's understandable that many lords who's families have spent actual millennia fighting the Dornish wouldn't be too thrilled that they have joined without even having to drop their title of prince or princess.
This feeling of betrayal and anti-dornish sentiment gave the Blackfyres much of their support in the Reach and the Marches.
@dsalad9928 not really, considering they’ve been on opposite sides of the continent. The only thing I could think of would be Eddard Starks involvement in the death of Arthur and Ashara Dayne, but even then for one reason or another House Dayne doesn’t seem to have a grudge considering they named one of their children after him (Edric “Ned” Dayne)
@dsalad9928 They have more reason to hate the Lannisters than the Starks. The Starks killed some Dornish in combat while the Lannisters order the death of a Dornish women and her children and that woman and her children died brutally.
@@NRV0Not a mere dornish woman but a martell and the younger sister of the ruling prince
Technically the Blackfyres are also the most direct continuation of Daeron I's line, since Daemon was his nephew and legitimized.
@@SuperCrow02Daemon was Daeron's 1st cousin once removed.
also if we’re being honest 10K men lost for all of Dorne doesn’t seem like a lot, in fact it seems normal, it isn’t just Dornishmen they are dying too, it’s the conditions of the land, which are arguably the worst in the seven kingdoms
And the climate of dorne (which is probably HOT for those living in the upper parts of Westeros. Yes,people can adjust to these conditions but proper food,living areas should be factored in. And in a war, you can't always ensure this.)
It’s funny how Jon wants to be the young dragon when he’s a kid,yet he grows up to be like dareon the 2nd making peace with longtime enemies
No, the biggest Targaryen failure was not adapting to losing their Dragons. By the time of Robert's Rebellion, House Targaryen was a paper tiger (dragon) dependent on sketchy oaths of loyalty, and severely outnumbered by the other kingdoms of Westeros. No longer could they send out a single seasoned dragon rider to destroy entire fleets and armies.
Which was why aegon iii actions was even more damning to the future of the house .I mean i understand that you are depressed and possess a hatred of dragons due to seeing one brutality kill your mother infront of you and is the cause of death for most of your family but you should think about the future of your house .House targaryen at the end of the day has less resources than your usual lord paramount and their power is completely reliant on dragons .He waa a grown man in his 30s when the last dragon had died surely by then he could have come to some terms about all of that .But no he simply let the last living dragonlord family be bereft of dragons .The loss of dragons made house targaryen vulnerable and which was what made it possible for it to be overthrown .All it needed was a bad king and its curtains for the whole dynasty .If only viserys ii had a longer reign i think the royal family would have become more bureaucratized and centralised .A handful of people to run an entire continent is insane and he would undoubtedly have pushed reforms that would have helped house targaryen both economically and politically .The crownlands could have been turned into wealthy and a prosperous place like the free cities with a few city charters ,confiscation of lands and towns from non-targaryens ,a few canals connecting reach ,riverlands and the westerlands to the crownlands,the establishment of a royal bank and a mint ,industrial espionage to increase the number of goods and the overall quality of goods produced so that there is more stuff to trade overall .The abundant supply of wood in the nearby stormlands ia perfect for a shipbuilding industry and another branch of the citadel being open in the capital to increase the amount of literate and educated peoples with a total of fee of only 25 silver dragons ,lets say would have brought about a cultural renaissance on westoros even if in the short term ,losses are incurred .The rule of hosue targaryen waa always dysfunctional ,they never had any great innovations that they could be particularly be proud of and their rule was only reactive not proactive .Which meant so as long as there is peace and stability they wouldn't do anything else for developing their own positions and the seven kingdoms as a whole . (Ah fucking autocorrect always messing shit up , can't live with you or without you )
@@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ruAegon couldn't have done nothing about the existinsion of the Dragons after the dance it was inevitable. Also he had more important things to do like fixing the real after it's most destructive war and trying to keep it together during all the crisis of his reign. Also he died young so we don't know what he would have done with an extra 20 years or so
@@SherlockHolmesb-kp4ru Aegon the 3 didn't do anything wrong mans actually tried to restore the dragons he just didn't know how too like every other Targaryen king
@@thegoat4238He was sitting on mountains of dragon-lore at the time .Had he made a more sincere attempt to replenish the dragon-population the dragons would have never gone extinct .He only made half-assed attempts at best to make it seem like he is doing something about it
@@debater452The last dragons died in 153 a.c and he himself died in 157 a.c .He would have been at least 32 years old when the last targaryen dragons had perished .By that point in time he couldn't have done anything about the dragons .He didn't fix the realm after it was torn asunder by the dance. It was tyland lannister who did all of the necessary actions to restore and rebuild the realm .He wasn't that great of a ruler as you make him seem like .He was a king who always relegated the matters of administration by appointing skilled and capable individuals like tyland lannister or his younger brother Viserys Ii .It wasn't important ? What the hell are you going on about ? Of course it is a most important task ,a task perhaps as important as mending the realm which is the ensuring of the survival of the dragons. The future of House Targaryen relays and depends on it.
oh yes Daeron The Young Dragon what a gigachad king
my favorite one personally
Similarly to how Daeron the Daring fails to exist!
Ryan Condal has gaslit me into believing Daeron the Daring is simply not real.
"It's over Daeron i have the high plot armor"
The " Its free real estate" had me 😂. Nothing free about Dorne's real estate!
There are many similarities between Robb Stark and Daeron I. Both are boy-kings fighting a war. They won many battles but in the end lost the war. And, of course, they have a similar nickname, and end up dying through treachery
"A sultry affair" "HUGE dark nipples" ok that was funny lmao
I've always wondered if daeron was some kind of dreamer seeing as he ignored most things beside conquering dorne
Bruh. This is like calling Henry V of England a failed conqueror. Just because his conquest didn't last doesn't mean he didn't actually conquer Dorne. Also, most of the men lost did not die under his command. You can't really blame that loss of life on him. He headed back as soon as there were problems. His death was the equivalent of a scorpion hitting Meraxes' eye. You can't even say he wasn't prepared since he had the best knights in his kingdom with him too. There's a reason he has such a high place in the Westerosi mythos and it's not because Westeros remembered him as incompetent.
Keep in mind that he was the only Targaryen who was given the epithet "Dragon" besides the Conqueror himself.
Yep, the Daeron slander
Targaryen King* Rhaegar was the “Last Dragon” after all
If you lose your conquered land immediately after conquering it then you never truly conquered it.
@@Prodigi50I mean that’s not really how that works, he held it until his death.
I’d compare it to the Italian conquest of Ethiopia where they won for like 2-5 years and as soon as Italian command stumbled the Ethiopians were able to just immediately supplant them with basically no trouble and put themselves back to where they once were. Like yes he did conquer it but it was a failed conquest especially since the dornish were still going to resist beyond their feigned bending of the knee. His conquest didn’t really leave a mark on Dorne in any meaningful way and that’s why I would argue it’s a failed conquest, that’s how they argue the Italian conquest of Ethiopia as being temporary and failed rather than being an actual case of colonization.
Honey wake up Crusader Chris just posted! Seriously tho the video quality is amazing, you on your way keep going 🚀👑
Love this series. You've done such a great job on these Thank you sir.
I saw a meme calling Daeron the young Dragon the better Rob Stark. 🤣😂
They ain't that far off
He was no coward by any means and for all we know, he wasn't unneccessarily cruel either, which already would have made him one of the better kings if he eventually got to rule.
I think that with the right counsel, he could have grown to become more reasonable and learn to put other things in front of personal glory.
But yeah, what we got was... that. Lots of dead people for an ultimately failed conquest. He was no Aenys or even Mad King level of failure, but all his accomplishments were short-lived and ultimately, cost him his own life as well.
Ironically, as stupid as they were, Daeron and Baelor actually managed to lay the foundation for Dorne joining the realm (in a very different way) later.
He didn’t fail though, he was murdered by the dornish after they murdered him
Love this series, keep it up.
Daerons two biggest mistakes were
1. to trust the Dornish (never trust the Dornish)
2. to die young and leave the throne to "baELor THe bLeSseD"
Overall he was a very decent Targaryan King imo
Seriously? The negatives outweigh the positives
Leaving a Tyrel in Dorne is top
@@badyoutuber1986 A King does have to reward his leal bannerman who aided him in his conquest somehow - and giving land to govern is a common way of doing so.
your comment makes no sense
@@arturleperoke3205 dorn is known to have beef with the storm lands and especially the reach for a long time leaving a reachman to guard your new territory known for hating reach men use stupid if you wish that the people don't retaliate
@@arturleperoke3205 who's logic makes no sense now Einstein
Daemon's friend, "Crispin Cole" fought the Dornish incursion. Even at times of peace, the Princes of Dorne have no control over those whom they station along the border. Seems like the Dornish like to raid the borderlands from time-to-time, so it makes a lot of sense to want to conquer them. End the problem.
I don't think he was a failure tbh, certainly at least not the greatest failure of House Targaryen.
Daeron I was a promising young prince, already started his reign better off than his father, and it was said that he and his uncle worked rather well together, and it was hoped they would continue to do so for longer. Daeron gathering the realm together in a single effort could've been seen as a way to perhaps bring Westeros closer together after the cataclysmic Dance of the Dragons split it apart in more ways than one. (Granted, there are better ways to do it, sure, but Daeron wasn't a slouch, and far from an idiot)
He did, technically, conquer Dorne. It's just that the Dornish, no matter how many times they get glassed or annihilated, simply don't care how many lives are spent in the name of Dornish independence. In the end, Aegon and Daeron did succeed in subduing Dorne, they just never officially joined till Daeron II. Always hate it when people say "Dorne managed to beat the Targaryens and stay independent", and I'm like... yeah sure, they got annihilated both times (3 times, if we count Jaehaerys and his sons sinking their fleet in less than 24 hours).
The Maesters have an entire, massive book on Daeron's conquest and it's said to be a very impressive read. Alyn Velaryon, the Chad of Driftmark himself, joined Daeron and was with him all the way, which also says a lot. Daeron did well with what he had, and for a time, succeeded and managed to make things work. Not for long, sure, but he was far from stupid. Not like his cousin Aegon IV would be when he tried to "conquer Dorne".
Also, why are all the Young Dragon's haters forgetting that Dorne, without provocation, planned to invade Westeros during Jaehaerys' reign for... seemingly no good reason. If anything, the fact they tried goes to show that at least Daeron wasn't going off to Dorne without cause or provocation in the past
King Daeron's only mistake is his mercy. He should have executed the Martells and given power over Dorne to the House of Dayne. They have honor and would not rebel against the Targaryens
Given House Martells popularity that would have been stupid. Also remember after the initial invasion House Martell and the other lords of Dorne submitted. It was the "small folk" who continued the resistance later joined by more and more of the Nobility. As for Daeron I's "mercy" no doubt the "small folk" with their land devasted by a foreign army, suffering looting, killing and rape much appreciated Daeron I's "mercy".
Jon's idol at the beginning is Daeron but laters says that he wants to be like Aemond the Dragonknight
He doesn't say that later .He said that when he was playing a game with robb when he was still a toddler pretending to be the dragonknight among other historical figures. He simply recalls that later in his life in the books .He still wanted to be a conqueror and lead men to glory and still idolised daeron I when he became the Lord-Commander
I think this is pretty unfair to Daeron, the only thing he did during his reign was winning a war, and he was dishonourably murdered under a flag of truce. Now you can say he could have expected that, the Dornish are crafty bastards, but still, we won't ever know what would have happened if he lived longer, so putting near the bottom is not that fair imo.
True, but also he got 50,000+ people killed in a war he started for no reason other than wanting more power and glory for himself… sooo
@@CrusaderChris So did Aegon the Conquerer, the only difference is that Aegon had a dragon so didn't get assassinated.
Edit: Also, thanks for replying!
King Daeron did not want power and glory. He wanted to unite Westeros. You're just a hater on Daeron, even though his actions are reasonable.
@@KaiHung-wv3ul not really hotd revealed aegon conquered for the sake of stopping the long night not glory or power also his dragon didn't prevent him from being assassinated his sister did .
That was in a show, and honestly, it never made sense how Viserys could have known that since Jaehaerys was never his father's heir.@@thatoneblackdude3333
Damn these videos are hilarious lmao..well done sir.
*_Biggest_*_ Failure_ seems to be too extreme. You really think he's worse than Aerys II, Viserys I, Aegon IV?
Probably not, since unlike those three the damage he did was quickly undone, his impact being basically irrelevant.
Good to see We have loyal Daeron Supporters in the chat. I literally hate the dornish because of this legendary man.
The nobility submitted, after the submission of Sunspear he took hostages too
Yeah but the smallfolk didn't.
Why is everyone talking In the comment section as if this is real life. You can like or dislike dareon it doesn't matter he's fictional.
Great Video🐸
Thank you 🐸
Loving this series! Thank you
Daeron was stupid for not marrying Daena. Can you even imagine King Daeron and Queen Daena???
Actually, what he could have done was offer Daena and possibly Ealana in marriage to House Martell, while he himself could take a Martell bride for his Queen. Not sure it would work, but might have gone a long way to help the Dornish accept being conquered.
Can’t wait to see a series on Aegon The Conqueror and the big dragons doing a lot a havoc.
Great video as always man
You've managed to kill just about everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target. - captain kirk
Sad ending man bro was a real chad
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
Can't stop watching these videos help
This whole thing reminds me of Napoleon's occupation of Spain.
Ha facts😂. Because things started going badly as soon as he wasn't there and left command to his underlings and the guerilla warfare.
@@user-ti5cw1ug6l And they both left a foreigner in charge. Little tip people usually don't like being told what to do by a foreign overlord, the Spanish royal family at the time may have been unpopular but at least they were Spanish.
@@mattavery7581 Technically the spanish royal family was also french.
@@user-ti5cw1ug6l How?
unmarried king at 18.... oh i just know he and his cousin dragon knight had a steamy affair yup...
An similar figure in history that many may not know is Dom Sebastião. He was the king of Portugal in the later 16th century, a young king and deeply desired to start a holy crusade, which he did by attacking the moors in the south. He failed, a ton of people died, including himself, leaving the throne of Portugal without an heir. The next of king was spanish nobility, resulting in the Iberian Union that lasted 60 years on which a monarch ruled both over Portugal and Spain but deeply favoured the spanish side. The weird thing is that in the very last years of the 19th century, there was this commune named Canudos in Brasil, which one of the main features of it's identity was a deep reverence over monarchy, since the republic was just declared and were later massacred by the national guard, but going to the point, those guys holdheartly believed that Dom Sebastião would come back as a holy messiah and saved them
I adore your videos. Have you thought about maybe doing a live stream breakdown of seasons of GoT or HOTD? It’d be interesting to hear your thoughts about each episode of the tv show. Or just talk about the books. I’m good with that too. GoT is one of my favorite stories too. I see the shows and books as separate entities. At least that’s my view on things.
I appreciate the kind words! I agree with your view of the shows and books as separate entities (I consider all adaptations to essentially be fan-fiction, with their own separate canon).
I don't have plans to do any livestreams since that's just not a medium I'm comfortable with at the moment. I'm considering making a short video each week when HOTD 2 airs, but if I do, the format wouldn't be much of a review. I don't have much to add that won't already be covered by all the big channels. My HOTD videos might end up a bit more satirical than my usual stuff, so idk if it will everyone's cup of tea. We'll see. Thanks for watching!
@@CrusaderChris I understand. I think it’s a great idea about HOTD 2. I was so pleasantly surprised and a bit shocked how good season 1 was. I wasn’t expecting much after the travesty of seasons 5-8 of GoT. It reminded me of good GoT tv show again and not a garbled mess again.
Love the vids man🖒
Dhaeron I is a very interesting character in ASOIAF, and I hope we get to learn more about him if Fire and blood gets a sequel. What’s interesting about Dhaeron for me is that he is a tongue in cheek reference to and subversion of Alexander the Great by George, being a great young conqueror who’d seek to finish the work of their predecessors and bring to heel a foreign land; except where Alexander succeeded, Dhaeron failed (yes, dying on campaign counts as failure, and betrayal does not discount the fact that he lost) and furthermore; what he sought to achieve was finished through marriage and his successors rather than through conquest.
Compare that to Alexander who actually did achieve his goals and conquered the known world; he won. But the empire he built basically collapsed within half a decade after his death.
Dhaeron was impressive and heroic for his time, sure; but his legacy is overshadowed by his family such as Aemon the Dragonknight, or Baelor the blessed; or even Dhaeron II for actually unifying the seven kingdoms.
Alexander achieved everything he wanted in life, only for his accomplishments to crumble in the hands of his squabbling successors, but his name lives on in stories as a mythical hero. Dhaeron on the other hand failed horribly to do what he wanted, but his goals were achieved and maintained for centuries after his death. Yet his name is overshadowed by the people who brought his dream to fruition, and the warrior king was remembered as a footnote whose glorious conquest was just a small misstep to unification.
cant wait for the baelor the pious video.
I hope hbo hurry up and make more targaryen shows 😮
“That quote is so cool there’s no way this could go wrong” 😂
I wonder if GRRM hasn't based Daeron in Portuguese king Sebastião. He became king at a very young age and died childless at 24 when he went to war in Morocco to retake the outposts Portugal once held there.
I actually really like the HoTD Aegon's Crown. I think it looks really nice.
after his first conquest when he took all his hostages he chould have take a martel as his wife
Why they made Aegon's crown so lame in show with only one ruby
I guess rubies are a bit too unrealistic for a fantasy series with dragons and thrones made of melted swords. HBO didn't put a ruby on the pommel of Blackfyre either. 😔
@@CrusaderChris they just got lazy having such amazing artworks they could create great crown and the hairstyles are also not it where are braid on men ?
@@CrusaderChrisshow version of Dark sister is kind if better than the illustrations
@@CrusaderChris I just don't get it the made it more complicated and ugly when it's the most simple looking crown in the series.
This man had the potential to restore his House to its former glory. Instead he died useless. I do find his character interesting. I hope GRRM does more with the remaining Targ
"He was the best guy around."
"What about the people he murdered?"
"What murder?"
Hey he did defeat the Dornish army and nobles, just couldn't court the smallfolk of Dorne ❤.
I wouldnt be surprised if GiGi Martin based Daeron on a mix of Richard the Lionheart with a bit of Alexander the Great. A young king going on a conquering spree to conquer a desert kingdom and died young.
I think people like him go for glory....and according to me he succeeded as he brought dorne under him...well he may not be yhe prefect king but he got what he wanted....and death is too less of a price for the glory
3:20 damn ahahah valyrian superiority
He isn’t fooling anybody about that nose piercing 😂
Never cared much for Targaryens, but he is my favorite Targaryen. He deserve far better respect.
These army's are suspiciously large for the time this world is inspired from.
I mean, why didn't a single Targ ever make that marriage pact with the Martels before? Had the Greens or the Blacks made that same deal the Dance could gone extremely differently. Or hell had Jaehaerys arranged for Aemon and one of his daughters to marry Martel's equivalents, Dorne would have been a part of the Iron Throne sparing future generations over pointless wars.
I think George RR Martin taken the inspiration for daeron 1 from Alexander the great.. as he was also great at military conquest and was actually a bit lucky during early conquest .. but instead Martin taken the luck from daeron 1
Daeron was a good military leader, spectacular even
But he was naive. He still accepted a peace meeting despite the fact the Dornish rebels already broke their promise before about bending the knee
At that point, there is no more peace meetings. Only fire and blood
Odfly enough when you think if it Dorne isn't a kingdom but a principality. But "Six Kingdoms and a Principality" doesn't have the same ring to it.
If only the dornish had a modicum of honor
They love their little betrayals, the gave a sticky frail woman to the Targaryens intentionally
Um... Myriah Martell was quite famously robust and had four healthy sons with Daeron II, which also includes Gigachads like Baelor Breakspear And Maekar 'The Anvil' Targaryen.
Also they were the most stubborn Targaryen loyalists even after Robert's Rebellion. And it's Elia you are talking about, Aerys chose her, not the other way around. Based on what we know, it was likely that her original betrothed would have been Jaime Lannister(!)
Is there a similarity of Daeron Targaryen to Paul Atreidies?
He wasn’t really a failure though.
Daeron succeeded in making Dorne bow to the Dragon Kings and when they rebelled he went right back down there and started winning again. His only real mistake was that he trusted the rebels instead of just keep slaughtering them like he had successfully been doing since he returned to Dorne. Honestly if he just kept slaughtering the rebels and used his hostages to force the lords of Dorne to cooperate then he could have held Dorne without much problem.
6:28 😊 😂😂😂
Now that I think about it, why didn’t maegor complete the conquest?
12:55 at least he was good enough a father to daena that she "worshiped him" and constantly kept on her person the necklace he gifted to her. 12:56 12:56
I think he is a inspiered by Charles xii of sweden, because he is a young king that chrushes his foes and has a statue in a major city that points towards the enemy (Russia And Dorne)
Why is daeron from dune?
Y'all, that "VizzyT" comment 😂😂😂
Jon Snow and Robb Stark greatly admired this guy. He didn’t 100% suck. He was vanquished though, and “history” likes to pile on the vanquished. Another example is “Ned Stark was an utter moron”
How do you forbid a King?
By having a regency, which takes away the king’s power until he’s 16. Daeron’s father Aegon III had a regency.
@@CrusaderChrisfirst of his name ? Daeron the daring the first ?
Who are the Rhoyner?
He lost to Dornish plot armour. Which ironically has run out in the main series
A question I have had for a while is why is why Dornish were so persistent in resisting the Targaryens? The Rhoynar abandoned their language, literature, religion, philosophy and anything that could meaningfully tie them to their original Rhoynish Culture and assimilated completely into being Andal Westerosi more so then the first men of the north, or the Ironborn of the Iron Islands. But while the First men and Ironborn submit to Targaryen rule with very little resistance the Dornish fight on to quite frankly ludicrous levels and I don't see why. What was left of their culture to protect. They burned their books as they burned their ships, they abandoned worship of mother Rhoyne, and forgot their mother tongue. What hadn't they given up for safety in westeros that the Targaryens threatened to take away?
Because they didnt eant to be subjugated do you want someome to come to your house then make you a servant
@@yourdad6902 a fair argument and of course I would rather fight to the death than be bonded. But that begs the other question and the crux of my argument. Why is it that the Dornish fought on for so long, through so much hardship while the other 6 kingdoms submitted in at least 2 cases without a fight (the North and the Vale)? Is their freedom worth so little to them?
@@gilesbarnes7456I guess the annals and first men aren't built like the dornish
Aside from Martin's somewhat "simple" reasonings at times, I'd guess it comes down to Dorne's culture and weather/terrain. A great comparison is with the North.
The North could, if it wanted, pretty much shut the Neck up, tell Westeros to take a dive, and keep on doing what they were doing. Especially after the dragons died. But the "typical" Northmen are all about honour and duty. The fact their elders do the "I'm going out for a hunt, I may be some time" when a bad winter hits just to avoid being drain on the food reserves proves this. Putting aside any prophecy theories, Torrhen Stark looked at Aegon and his dragons and weighed the cost of telling the Targ to piss off and making it stick vs how many of his people's lives would be lost in the process. Stark was aware that all it took to save his people's lives was given up the crown to become a Warden of the North (a "Lesser King" in all but name), then return to Winterfell to keep on doing what he was always doing. Swallowing his personal pride for the sake of his people.
Dorne is the opposite extreme of weather but with roughly equivalent terrain cutting it off from the rest of the continent. However, their culture comes across as also the opposite to the North - being more about individual expression and personal freedoms, to the point pride is their greatest weakness (as honour is for the North - Starks especially). I don't get any sense that many Martell Princes/Princesses cared about the cost their pride was forcing on their kingdoms. How many Dornish were killed throughout the years? How much property damage did they have to repair? And even when there were "attempts" at bending the knee, there was never any reigning in of the smallfolk/rebellions that then restarted hostilities.
It took Martells marrying into the Targaryen family for the Dornish to even start paying lip service to the throne, something that could have been done long before the Daeron-Myriah and Daenerys-Maron double marriages. While the Martells won in the end, their pride cost their kingdom and its people. I'm sure many Dornish would say it was worth it, but there's a strong sense that the Targs (mostly) allowed the Kingdoms to run as they willed with just an oversight and some overarching laws getting in the way - A kingdom version of the US, in some ways. Given it took 187 years for a Dorne Prince to kneel, there's no excuse for previous generations not to be aware that they weren't going to lose their culture (see the North) by bending the knee. It was pure spite and pride (and for me, an obsession with personal liberty) that had them hold out for so long.
@@morlath4767 interesting points and I can certainly get the arguments and yeah Westeros certainly feels more like a medieval take on America rather then anything in Europe. And to be honest for me it just speaks to a lack of individual culture from the kingdoms, the Targaryens mostly let them govern themselves and there was no problem their for the most part.
There were no religious tensions with the High Septon decrying the Northmen or the Ironborn as Infidels. The North did not murder Septons who were preaching in the north nor did the restrictions on Ironborn raiding cause fundamental problems for Ironborn society to the point where the Targaryens had to actively subdue them. Additionally there are no border disputes between the kingdoms nor is there any real attempt for usurpation until Robert Baratheon. It all feels to clean and sanitized Tywin wipes out 2 longstanding houses for a single rebellion just against his family but the Targaryens let house Peake commit high treason 3 seperate times and a murder a king but they are fine.
It just feels like the Targaryens united Westeros no one really had any problem with it barring the coded non white kingdom and even they eventually got on board and the Targaryens as a whole were swell and had to do it to save the world. Is how it reads and I am not a fan of that.
Grandson of daemon
I promise you rheanys survived.
Dorne was the Dinkleberg to Daeron
why would king argon the 3rd of his name his son after daeron the daring
He didn't. Daeron was named after Aegon III's father-in-law, Daeron Velaryon.
@@epsilon9739 i didn’t think so , appreciate that 🫡
I wish they married him to Daena first!❤
daerons only failure was not glassing dorne to nothing he proved that the tags even without dragons were to eb feared that they still had strength
how the hell do you pronounce dragons like that
commenting before Jon Snow leaves a novel length defense here
Don’t get the hate for him, he’s literally Targaryen Robb Stark.
I mean Rhoynar.
Wow Targaryen fremen
Daeron the based
He's just like Richard the Lionheart...incredibly overrated in-universe
Yes accomplishing the impossible is overrated
lol why is your thumb nail a complete rip off of Paul atreides lol you didn’t even try to edit out the nose piece on the still suit. Lol or his eyes
That’s the point he’s supposed to be like a Paul Atriedies figure he edited in not out
dune targaryen
Lisan al gaib 💀
Its Free Real Estate
Try making a video from an unbiased point of view
He killed a lot of Dornish people so he has that going for him.