Dude, the number of times I’ve had to politely say “You guys don’t have to spread so far apart” is ridiculous. Even creating a giant blue dome often isn’t enough to bring them in. They’ll just stand outside it anyway.
@@thenson1Halo Its especially stupid because there are just not that many mechanics that require even ranged players to stay far away from the boss. Most of the time, anything that can hit you close on the boss also will target you far away from the boss.
Genesis 1: “In the beginning there was WHM, and the WHM said ‘let there be HOLY’ and then there was HOLY. The WHM saw that this blinded their party, and they rested”- thus spoke Lucy. Amen.
As WHM was my first job to 90 and my current main, I can certainly say that everything is fine and nothing is wrong with the class. As a famous man once said, it's my mental disability so I get to choose the coping mechanism. Please god I just want something other than feeling like my entire job is a shell of a class.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I feel like WHM has a great design. It is supposed to be simple and it doesn't need to be complicated. It allows accessibility for casuals and those who aren't that mechanical. Jobs like White mage and dancer belong in mmo's. You could make whm like ast and make them double weave 4-6 (based on redraw) times in a row for their opener while switching targets constantly between weaves, but you'd be making the game harder for a huge amount of the player base who probably don't want that. Secondly, the whole idea that using lilies is a dps loss is straight wrong unless you only do the easiest content. You WILL be forced to gcd heal in the harder content (p3s/p4s). You will use your lilies in these cases. 0 mana heals with great range, no cast time and high potency. Your dps parse as a healer doesn't matter, not even in the slightest. Your dps rotation is 2 buttons and assize. The way you parse for those fights is you just force your cohealer to do all the work. Congratulations I guess, you're the master of 2 buttons? For the first 100 kills of p4s, regen healer representation was 45 white mages and 55 Astrologians. This is what people are complaining about? Maybe the ludicrous difficulty of AST should mean they are slightly stronger in the harder content. People who say AST is easy, its just more busy are drinking the xenos kool aid. That dude plays warrior. The whm of tanks. TLDR WHMs are simple and they should be simple. It's good for the game.
@@Mitsuho629 As someone who has been playing this game since 2013 as a healer, and someone who is highly frustrated with how the healers have been handled in recent years, I have to say, we need to disconnect simplicity from compelling design because they are not mutually exclusive. You can allow WHM to still be a simple, low APM job while still giving it an element of depth that makes your decisions feel impactful, and for your abilities to actually compliment the gameplay that we've been given. The way the current level of simplicity has been designed is stifling WHM gameplay at all levels, making its playstyle counterintuitive to how the encounter design has evolved over the years, and punishing players for utilizing its own unique job mechanics in the lilies which offer worse healing than your regens and worse damage than your Glare. Many players who are frustrated with WHM and have discussed alternatives have often done so within respect to retaining WHM as a low APM job and would allow it to still be simple, and potentially even better for new and casual players since it then becomes easier to do your job at a more comfortable pace rather than making you a blatantly inferior AST in literally every way, and that's not even being hyperbolic. There's a designer who doesn't have much views on his stuff, but has some really worthwhile suggestions for healing design in some videos here if you're curious: ua-cam.com/video/dF3XIhJm_N0/v-deo.html
"Your dps parse as a healer doesn't matter, not even in the slightest.", if so, dont even talk about the first 100 kills of P4S just after that, they would have been not possible at all without healer dps. You know nothing about how healing works on FFXIV raiding, it kinda hurts. The way you parse is by planning your ogcd and group mitigs in a way to optimize both healers DPS while active%, just watch some high quality duo healing parses, they are all about both healers on gray healing parse, but with orange dps parse both together, and 95%+ DPSWA%. And except the Curtain Call on P4S, litteraly the only healing check rn, you can actually go through all the actual savage content with both healers without even casting a single healing GCDs. AOE Lillie on WHM doesnt really count as a gcd healing tho since it's somewhat a "neutral" (a healing gcd who dont makes you lose dps while being used, such as Pneuma for the Sage for example) thanks to the blood Lillie at the end. If the only "good" dps parse from healers around you are with one orange dude with 0% healing next to his co healer being green, with a low DPSWA%, and purple healing, you are just surrounded by bad healers, and by bad healers, I'm talking for the both of them, the "I dont care about healing even my ogcds" one and the "Imma overcasts stuff because I'm the cool healer who heals pretty nicely instead of asking to people around to stick their fingers out of their asses and start planning ther healing ogcds and their own team mitigs".
I feel like they should be trying to make the "beginner" healer class as fun as possible so that more people will actually dip into healer even if they then switch off WHM after. If people play a healer they hear is the easiest to get the hang of and then get bored they'll probably just swear off healer entirely. I'm sure there are people out there that enjoy the current play style but I'm genuinely curious if that's just because they are used to it. The OGCD changes would keep the general playstyle but make it as fast paced as the rest of the game, which is a great starting point for improving it.
Between Astro and Sage are currently my favorite healers.... and since i haven't completed endwalker yet, i've basically just leveled all the healers to 80.... they are definately more fun to play and more challenging to play well. as astro half the time I forget that cards exist but the other half the time I'm focusing on healing the entire party because i forgot to heal tank (this is where benediction is quite needed and where all other healers kinda miss out). As sage, you can't get away with just healing through kardia, even though the entire premise of the class is to heal through kardia, so you have to actually balance healing through kardia and doing damage with healing with your other heals and getting into trouble when you again forget to heal tank... because as soon as the tank gets below half... it becomes very difficult to get them back up to max and keep them and the party alive... on big pulls. then there is scholar. the second easiest healer to play. it's as simlple as hitting your pet commands and making sure you (0r your pet) are placed close enough to the entire party to actually have a decent effect. (I question my life choices... becoming a healer main in FFXIV) Edit: I forgot to answer what I Intended to comment on... with all that being said. WHM is NOT a fun class to play. It's too simple and basic to be enjoyable or challenging. Every other healer has more interesting mechanics and more chances to get to the "o'crap'we're'wiping" phase of a dungeon pull. WHM just doesn't make your party members hate your guts as much because you don't know how to heal a wall to wall pull as a SGE. But that's just me. Other people probably find it enjoyable simply because it's not as challenging as other roles. there are people out there that rather just have fun and don't find challenging games fun. there are plenty of people that rage quite dark souls because of it's mechanics, and plenty more that have never even done an ultimate and probably don't plan on it. but that's just who those people are. they play games to have fun, and they play mindlessly. they don't like to think they just want to play. healer roles just aren't as mindless as they might like.
Yeah I was so bored when I leveled healer and thats even though im a support player in all games I play and mostly play healers. The biggest problem was that support classes in other games have more than just healing. They have crowd control and buffs. Yet both sleep and fluid aura dont work on anything but the smallest mob and the effect is broken once the enemy is attacked. In the end what is lacking is a sense of agency.
Making Lilies ogcd would definitely be a mistake. If I wanted something fast-paced I'd go play... any of the other healers. Not all the healers need to be fast to play. We need some slower-paced jobs in the game. And they'd have to nerf Misery's potency if Lilies went on the ogcd. Just make WHM not punished for gcd healing, and give us more GCD options.
@@cedlucien I mean... you could always just cast your ogcd lily heals instead of casting glare 3, and you'd have the same effect, while letting the rest of the WHM players get a buff. When I heal I've usually gone for WHM, but after having my mana efficiency taken away, I've been lvl'ing up AST as a side project, and noticed that currently they get essentially the same toolkit, but better, with less mp cost per spell. Example: WHM gets regen, and AST gets a spell that does a small direct heal AND the same potency regen, for the same mp cost. They have the same thing when you compare medica 2 vs their AE heal/regen: it's just flat out cheaper to cast. They ALSO get mp back every single time they draw a card, which they'll be doing often.
@@kedolan4992 should be doing often, but this is one of the most difficult aspects of the job to balance with healing and DPS. I have seen plenty of Astros(including me) just outright forgetting that mechanic.
"I love maining the No-DPS-loss healer AST!" I shout to the heavens as the optimal rotation requires quadruple weaving cards and spending lightspeed exclusively on the impossibly tight burst windows (and god help you if you touch any heal) and literally any second you're not drawing a card and putting said card on cooldown snowballs into a dps loss getting too big for louisoix to stop an-
"They don't want to take lilies off the GCD and potentially upset casual players" if SE cared about casual players, they would make Cure I turn into Cure II instead of baiting players with the trap known as freecure.
When they eat an easily avoidable mechanic and collect shitter stickers, they don't care. When they are in another zip code out of range of your heals and die to raidwides, they don't care. When the party wipes because someone didn't participate in resolving a mechanic or did their part incorrectly, they don't care, and then have the FUCKING balls to blame the healer for it. If my rage as healer with the average DF heroes could be harnessed as a power source it would power the entire industrialized world for 10,000 years.
>healer arguably does the most work in roulettes >rarely gets comms >meanwhile tanks just need to press 2-3 mitigation CD per w2w pull while spamming their AoE combos >gets all the comms The virgin healslut fears the alpha tankCHAD
@@notting2640 why would I commend the healer when I can chadly bloodwhet my way through anything. The omicron-sigma Chad femroe Warr VS teh turbo Virgin bunny boi healer
No see, healers LIKE WARchads because it's usually one less perma brink of death shitter that needs to be repeatedly scraped off the ground making the fight take eons because the WAR and maybe the other DPS is the only one getting to do any damage. CHADrriors can take care of themselves while you babysit the DPS who have more vuln stacks than brain cells.
Love it when they give healers skills that are strictly better than another healer's skills. Here's Kerachole, it's Sacred Soil but Literally Just Better!
I've been a healer main since ARR (Though SCH then, and SGE currently, never liked the WHM playstyle as much), and I can definitely agree here. The devs really just don't seem to know what to do with the healer jobs, and WHM always seems to get the worst of it. The whole thing with WHM being the one with the "big heals" was true way back in ARR when it was only compared with SCH (When GCD healing needed to be done, because even SCH only had a handful of ogcds, and WHM only had Benediction), and for the early part of HW when AST was still underpowered, but since then it really hasn't been "stronger" at healing. It's just the "easy" healer. I remember thinking that the lily rework in shadowbringers seemed like a really good idea, and it was definitely an improvement over the old one, but it just didn't go far enough, and they didn't do anything with it in Endwalker either (Actually made them less useful in a way, since you don't need them as much for weaving/movement anymore). I have my complaints about the other healers as well (There's a reason I switched from SCH to SGE, and I could voice a lot of issues with SCH design, but it's not that SCH is actually bad), but WHM needs the attention more than any of the others do. Give them SOMETHING. It doesn't have to be something super complex (The simplicity of WHM is part of the draw and I doubt they'd change that), but they really need some improvements. Both in terms of numbers (especially regarding MP) and making their kit actually make some sense. Making lilies not a DPS loss would be a good start, however they might choose to do it (there are some potential issues no matter which route they go, but nothing insurmountable). Also before I go on too much of a healer design rant: great video as always. Really captured the healer experience there at the start too.
@@Squallcloud95 You know what's worse than not having Aero 3 anymore. Not having the Aero 3 animation anymore, it was so good looking. I feel the same way about Stone too, Glare just isn't the same as firing out your elemental bricks to enemies faces.
As someone who recently raised white made from level 1 to 90 i gotta say I understand why white mages are kind of assholes, have you ever witness a dps just willingly stand in an aoe over and over again? Like why? white mage has an mp problem and we save our ogcds for the tank, and even when you TRY to be nice and use rescue to save their asses from themselves they'll run right back into it. But im the asshole if I leave them on the floor right? Sorry...sorry lost myself there, point is avoid the aoes I dont wanna heal you guys from yourselves if it can be helped
Yes. And I have also witnessed a dps admit to being drunk and try to runaway from the White Mage hell bent on rescuing them from harm. :0 she got there just in time to rescue me though. White Mages are heroes.
As someone who's mained WHM since I started playing (ShB) Let me say the absolute most "I'm becoming the Joker" thing I can see in an instance, is when the ✨dps ✨ complains about not being at full health all the time. Even worse is when they complain about how I didn't heal them so they died, when they got hit by an instant death mechanic 🙃
It’s truly been a life-altering journey. When I started maining CNJ back in 2.0, being a healer made me feel like I was one of those Doctors Without Borders, roaming the low level zones and responding to shouts asking for raises as quick as we could, our hearts overflowing with love for our brethren. Now we’re the blackhearted, jaded, and sadistic masters of life and death who respond only to our own whims.
You know there’s a problem with a pure healing spell (lilies) when it is only optimal to spam it 3x when everyone is at full HP and the boss isn’t even in the room.
Lily''s not being OGCD is pepega to the max. I leveled SCH, when i leveled whm i was so impatient to get lily's spell to finally have OGCDs and god i felt so betrayed when i saw the GCD roll.
The Aoe one is great design. I am absolutely fine with the Aoe one being on the GCD. That single target one though, that's a no no, the main time that baby gets used is during boss transitions when I just spam 3 in a row.
@@Asako_Gaming Every time I hear about Stormblood Lilies I remember that Stormblood Launch Confession worked the exact same way and Plenary was a single target oGCD. I honestly think there was potential in the confession mechanic as it moved through Stormblood though. The way I wish it worked was getting procced by some of our oGCDs (Assize's heal would be replaced with two stacks, the initial tick of Asylum would apply it and a HoT, Benison and Temperance apply a stack each) and then consumed by our heals, including Regen/Medica II ticks and Tetra. Plenary would remain the dump option that was available every minute. But I'm also a crazy person who wants Temperance's duration and cd cut in half so you can give it charges, which would further enable that change. Basically you'd get Lilybell without having to deal with Lilybell. Instead you dealt with your entire kit as a hodgepodge engine to Lilybell and/or Star when you wanted to.
Lilies would require rework to become ogcd or else WHM gcd usage would become even more universal. Do you trust them to make lilies OGCD but not actually make the overall class gameplay worse, and not just "and then you weave a lily heal every X seconds" for a class with very few weaves in the 1.5s cast time era?
@@joshuayung5158 The issue isn't really the GCD. It's just not really that useful. The GCD aoe heal lilly is great. The single target one is awful and Misery being a straight DPS loss and it not having a charge really kills the skill. If you have Misery primed you should be able to start charging a 2nd one before even casting the first one so you can at least line it up with raid buffs instead of sometimes wasting lillies. How about a lilly that casts a glare potency attack as an instant cast? I'd happily use that to weave and save MP. Why is it specifically locked to healing.
@@Asako_Gaming I agree the lily system overall is in need of rework but the suggested fix I keep seeing of "make lilies ogcd" in and of itself ain't a solution. And tbf, single target lilies had a role before endwalker in healing during forced movement and for creating weave windows, which the cast time reduction basically eliminated.
I started Conjurer and got white mage to 90 before starting Sage. I didn't know why people complained about white mage being boring, I was having fun. But then with Sage I saw how much fun was possible with healing and now it's hard to go back to white mage sometimes
It seems to me as though you should distance yourself from the "elements" of WHM and embrace the other side of the spectrum. I heard it has Fire, Ice, Thunder and my favorite elements: Despair, Foul, and Scathe! Give in to the despair that plagues healers, abandon the foul healing magicks, and scathe all with the Real Mage Rage. Join us as we rage at boss aoes for targeting our poor innocnent leylines!
In 1.0, it actually used fire, ice, and thunder spells. Thm in 1.0 was the dot mage at the time, while conjurer got all the elemental spells. Which is, funnily enough, fitting with the legacy of whm as "that job that loses its abilities so everyone else can get knock-off versions of them later."
@@charlesmoore3390 I feel the same way with Shield Bash as a Tank main. The move has been garbage since ARR. They just need to hurry up and give all the tanks a trait that changes the shared stun into their own kind. Same with Rampart to be fair. They already have all the animations in the game and they are going to waste. WAR -> Brutal Swing / Foresight PLD -> Shield Bash / Rampart DRK -> Low Blow / Shadowskin
@@ChipotleKanetsu Eh.. Yes? At really low levels? Maybe? But that's something you only really need on very rare occasions. And honestly, with Swiftcast, Triplecast, Sharpcast, Firestarter, Thundercloud, Amplifier, Xenoglossy, Flare, and Umbral Ice Paradox, we've got plenty of ways to pull instacast that are actually worth casting.
I might be reading into it too much or personifying the concept, but WHM and DRK do be looking like the couple that the world hates, and they hate it back because it took from them and gave it to everyone else. My logic for putting them together (other than the relationship highlighted in your DRK video) is that Reprisal, Low Blow, and Interjection (though animation wise only, this used to be HW Delirium where it was a debuff attack that lowered INT on the target) all used to belong exclusively to DRK... they hate each other, but simultaneously stay together out of necessity and because no one else can feel their pain.
Funnily enough, i find whm and dark to work fantastically together in dungeons. Fight starts off, and drk doesnt need to worry about incoming damage for a while because holy stun. Then, when that wears off, they can pop TBN and shadow-wall, and the rest of the encounter can be padded out with whm aquaveil and divine benison. Leading to the tank feeling way tankier than normal, and able to lean more heavily into offense, while the whm gets to enjoy going as offensive as it wants. Meanwhile, living dead is a nightmare for other healers to deal with, but on whm you just press 1 OGCD and oh look full health. The whm toolkit works absolutely perfectly with the drk toolkit, if the 2 think about things decently. Enough so that, when I played whm, I had by far the most fun healing decent drks as opposed to any other tank (who I felt like I was fighting, with them throwing out stuff haphazardly leading to annoying damage spikes)
As someone that mains DK and WHM is my sub... i feel you on all this~ DK does what it does giving no fucks to the world that spurns it, WHM tried, tried so hard to keep that positivity of Conjurer... bu learned, learned hard, the SUFFERING that is the world and told it to go fuck itself... WHM now understands DK like no other, so despite their mutual hate, they hate the world more, even if it needs constant saving~ *obligatoryangstangstANGST*
WHM and DRK work too well because DRK lack defense and self healing as other tank due to cooldown. Granted tbn and shadow wall help but their cooldown is about a few minutes. DRK and a new player Sage is like Oil and Water most of the time. AKA they like to shell instead of actually filling the health bar.
@@uberpinkwarrior Oh, same! I love healing DRKs when I'm playing WHM. Honestly, didn't even noticed DRK's got the shaft this expansion until I was told. xD They are so easy to heal.
I'll be honest, as a WHM main I feel like we're the only healer who didn't benefit AT ALL from the shortening of the cast time on the main damage spell. Because, well, I don't have ANYTHING to weave into that space when Assize, Assylum, and Tetra are on cool down except for Divine Benison which...will last all of two auto atttacks from a mob (I know someone will say "but liturgy of the bells" and let me just stop you, outside of extreme or savage, you aren't using that action). Meanwhile, I ended up counting the number of separate OGCD heals that Astro has. It's 9. And at least one of those OGCDs gets better if you use Aspected Helios before it ends, aka, your AoE regen that you're going to use after probably every raid wide. Hell, the only reason I haven't switched from WHM main to Astro main is a combination of brand loyalty (Conjurer is what I started the game as) and because I'm stuck on PS4 which makes Astro much more difficult because of the more limited hotbar space (seriously if they just made drawing and playing a card 1 button instead of 2, I would be power leveling Astro so fast right now). Also, as someone who only started playing in Shadowbringers, I had no idea that Temperance was originally a role action that got a reskin, or that Aero III meant we used to have something other than Holy to spam for big mobs. In conclusion, I agree with your bandaid fix, and I appreciate this video.
getting the shortened cast time helped anyone who had complaints about having no weave windows on WHM, but it simultaneously made the problems of the job embarrassingly visible. WHM really has no interesting decisions being made between or during their GCDs at least in Shadowbringers, WHMs had to think “how do I weave my oGCDs without clipping Glare spam? AST has faster casts/Lightspeed, while SCH uses Ruin II... Aha! I can only weave after Dia and Afflatus spells, so I should plan my usage around those windows!” it was like playing a bootleg BLM, so only *some* people found that fun, but at least it was SOME form of depth to the job
As much fun as blinding mob packs with holy is I do miss the ability to throw rocks at people. The mana cost issue is annoying, because it made "thin air" a mandatory button, instead of the "oh shit button" when you needed to heal big.
I'm surprised there was no mention of the fact that they still kept Holy on a 2.5 second cast when they made every other casted dps spell on healers down to the new standard. I was baffled when I first learned that Holy was still 2.5 seconds.
@Nef I mean, no, they'd still get the same duration of stun, it would just start and end 1 second earlier. And yes, because it's AoE once those stuns run out, unlike the other healers, white mage lacks the ability to effectively heal while dpsing in dungeons, you can't even weave assize.
I use to alternate between White Mage and Astrologian during Heavensward. What happened to the card system turned me away from Astro, and I just stuck with White Mage through the next 3 expansions. I can definitely admit White Mage has been getting shafted these last few years. It's still the most fun healer to me. What can I say. I played Jedi Sage/Sith Sorcerer in SWTOR for years before FFXIV. That healing style is just in my DNA.
You missed the most important part about Stormblood's Lillies: You couldn't use Divine Benison unless you had one! This was so bad they patched it out before the expansion was done.
A lot of the changes to WHM feel like they are trying to make WHM more proactive instead of reactive. I may not be the best WHM but I did get through the current raid tier with it. Lilybell when properly timed can cheese multiple mechanics where the other healers would have to press multiple cooldowns to resolve (orbs in p4s, coherence and flow 3 in p2s, intemp in p1s). The nerf to thin air forces the WHM to actually do something crazy, plan ahead and actually weave a charge to keep that thin air CD spinning. The mana restraints really feel mean if you forget lucid dreaming or thin air, and dying with lucid dream on CD means you have no meaningful MP recovery. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if WHM gets some form of a rework similar to Monk in ShB, it is clunky and unresponsive and while DrK is suffering, almost all of their mains are on reaper now leaving WHM as a potential rework that would get the biggest amount of attention from the audience for it happening.
Thing is, other healers also have single button (or close) resolutions to most of those situations. As a rule of thumb anywhere you might Lilybell on WHM is a place another healer might use Panhaima/Seraph(&Consolations)/Macrocosmos. It isn't a perfect 1 to 1 comparison since some abilities do things better or worse than others but like... they definitely just wanted to give every healer a button for those times. I do agree between the lily and Thin Air nerfs they've made WHM a bit more proactive but it's just more in line with the other healers, it isn't like... MORE proactive than them, in fact most of the time it's less and it could always lean back on Cure3/Med2 if needed, it's just more proactive than they've been forced to be in the past. I just want to play WHM and feel like I'm not horribly chadding my cohealer really, and that's the tough spot - you can't, unless you shoot yourself in the foot and start GCD healing.
Here is the thing though; other healers have the same as Lilybell just in different forms (see Panhaima for Sage - the same but just 5 stacks of shields heals for a bit each time a shield stack breaks) so even that isn't special. D=
@@SnowTheBard the major difference between panhaima and lilybell is the amount healed overall and positioning for heals. Lilybell is a much stronger overall heal when compared to panhaima, and both have the same use case of getting max effect from multiple consecutive instances of damage, panhaima requires you to be close to your party where lilybell can be placed anywhere and work. A case this works out is in p4s, lilybell comes up again during pinax 2 and if you get spread into boss spamming raidwides into enrage, or during P2S placing lilybell during the cast bar of coherence let's it solo heal the party and tank who took the tether before raidwides. Skill overlap is an okay thing as it makes swapping between healers much easier than having to relearn everything. While panhaima is cool it is sage's mit that is the bigger hype than their shields
Dying with lucid dream on CD hurts so badly that it almost makes me want to save lucid dream for that occasion.... but I can't since it's become essential to have on CD essentially 100% of the time.
Tbh, as WHM main who had to swap to sge because my co-healer is also whm. I would like to see these type of changes (not specifically these, but in their spirit). Misery (60sec recast) - useable even without lilies. Base potency 300, increasing per lily used. 1 lily: 580 2 lilies: 900 3 lilies: 1300 (this would allow whm to use misery with or without lilies for movement tech consistently, but not frequently, as well as big capstone nuke for building 3 stack being the only point of dps gain, rewarding planning and not drifting misery or lilies) Assize simple and easy just give second charge. Thin Air (1) : 3 charges 40 sec recast. Thin Air (2) : Same thing we currently have but each charge affect 2 spells instead of 1. Medica MP cost: 700 Medica II MP cost: 900 Cure III MP cost: 1200 (cannot be affected by thin air) Tetragrammaton (1) : 60sec recast 600 potency applies regen, 12 sec 100 potency. Tetragrammaton (2) : 2 charges 45 sec recast, 650 potency. With either of Thin air change and lilies being dps gain, you would be getting several additional mana free cast per minute. Liturgy of the Bell: same ability as now, but with addition to manually activate lilybell's heal every 5 secs, 3 seconds after setting down the lilybell. Automatic activation: 400 potency Manual activation: 300 potency These would be my current suggestions on how to bring WHM up to par with the rest of healers whilst still keeping it quite simple for starting players.
First time I saw that first suggestion, and I like it a lot actually. I still hold out hope though they make the actual lily spells worth pressing by increasing their potencies above their equivalent cast time spell, so you have a double reason to cast them when healing is needed. If they're going to be a resource/CD, making them feel as weak as the cast time heals themselves are just feels AWFUL. A single target lily on its own often doesn't even save the life of someone taking one of those nice big 60% HP vuln stack mechanics this xpac loves to hand out. If I have one GCD before the next smack, I have to pair it with an OGCD (like single charge tetra) to even have a shot of saving them. Compare to OGCDs like AST have that can actually do that job by itself, and it feels doubly awful. The healing community loves fussing over small dps gaps (looking at stats, the gap is maybe 4-5% at similar parse %) and ignoring that even when a WHM has gone out to do their highest possible HPS (90+% effective healing parses) they still pull 10% or more less actual healing than the other jobs, because their main tool is GCD heals that are woefully inadequate, and the same size as AST has for less mana. Just buffing our OGCDs isn't going to make up that gap either, our main tools need to be actually capable of doing their job.
WHM is easy to fix. Add another stack of Assize. Split the Lillies, Give us 3 pink lillies that do damage and gain stacks from glare and dia. white lillies gain stacks from healing
I subscribed when I saw the that the mouth tracking actually matches the words with the sassy humor and slight head tilts. My simp powers are activating.
As a WHM many many times i have saved the entire group from total disaster - my method is for my own healing i use Medica 2 - whenever i need heal for myself I heal i heal the whole group - but to do this you want to have a high PIETY - mine is 1350 - also i recommend that you have REGEN button very handy because you need the extra protection it gives - some bosses do not like people using Medica and they will zap you individually - use the REGIN
Welcome to Shamans, post-Burning Crusade. "Your Bloodlust is such a critical aspect of PvE content! Everyone loves it, and the value you (and it) bring!" "... .... ..." "...So we're giving it to *at least* 2 other classes."
it actually isnt. Its just kinda boring and got cutted alot off. WHM was basically on the top of all healers basically forever. I started to love AST until they killed the job for me with the new card system.
@@semiramisubw4864 it’s really not though. AST, while their card system is watered down, is just as powerful, if not more. They trivialize some raid mechanics at the moment (particularly, towards the end of P3S if they just use Macrocosmos). Everything wrong with WHM has already been laid out in this video. Actually, one thing that wasn’t mentioned was dying: if you die as a WHM and lucid isn’t up, you’re dead weight until it is, and it’s awful. It’s doable in most content but the healer in my raid group switched to AST for these very reasons.
It’s not the worst healing job. Whm is the best healer for dungeons. The vid likely point to the issues about whm in raids. It is supposed to be good for progression but the current state kinda hit whm hard on mp without anything to compensate. And the feel of lilies gcd transition into glare feels odd. You get a 4 second of not seeing any numbers unless u pop a 0gcd in between which is unlikely since u had to use a lily to begin with.
@@mxhe0001 The thing is, as someone who has been playing White Mage for years now as my main job, let me tell you, dungeon viability is next to worthless in terms of gauging how good a job is. I jumped into Sage after a while, levelled it all the way up and... gotta say, no. Sage performs just as well in pulls, because Haima is practically designed for it, you have three separate oGCD regens that can keep even the worst Dark Knights alive, Warriors are now immortal and need next to no healing at all. Paladin now has self heal too. Gunbreaker has a built-in Excogitation on its short cooldown mitigation. Not to mention almost every single action Sage does makes it recover mana for some reason I still fail to understand. I need to spend 60 seconds waiting to make *one Glare* free, when Sage can barf out an AoE heal at 400 potency that *gives them mana back?* Assize is on a *longer cooldown* than Sage's Addersgall, yet every single Addersgall action gives them mana back? And they can gain additional of them at will? Hell, Sage even *starts with full gauge for some reason,* which makes the first pulls phenomenally easy.
4 years ago, healers noticed they were doing almost nothing but cast their DPS spells in most content. (Yes, even savage.) 2 years ago, healers saw the great DPS action culling of Shadowbringers take away their DPS tools and leave a DoT and a Nuke. "Maybe that means we'll heal more!" Some hopefull healers thought. That wasn't the case. As Endwalker was announced and the healer skillsets were announced, healers saw no additions to fill their healing downtime. "Maybe that means we'll ACTUALLY have to heal more!" Some still hopeful healers thought. new WAR was released
I pretty much agree on all of these points, however my biggest problem in general is the Aesthetic... I love the Elements as an aesthetic, and Conjuror / white mage had 2 of my favorites; Air and Stone. I was so sad when I lost these, I loved every upgrade to stone, it always got bigger and cooler, but remained grounded (So punny,) and Aero was so much cooler than Dia.
WHM was my first love, so some part of me will always love it. But currently I feel AST, SGE, even SCH are just more effective healers because of their oGCDs. If just the lily system was oGCD, WHM would be so much more effective in terms of keeping dps up.
I was planning on commenting about DRK at the end of the video and how "we feel your pain," but then you had a very understandable DRK breakdown near the end there and I feel like that covered most of my feelings enough lol
I had a friend that says WHMs dated design is also what all other healers are tethered to and held back by. The heal strength to damage out issues, the braindead dps rotation or lack thereof and the wholly obsolete cure 1 heals. You can see sage break from this a tiiiiiiny bit but have toxicon be dps neutral and phlegma exists at all. Along with eukrasia at least making their cure 1 have a thematic reason to exist but it still feels like the job is held back.
When we used to have cleric stance to switch between healing and dps modes, it was a lot more dynamic because even one GCD of poor planning could mean the difference between a wipe or saving the tank from his own ineptitude
First DRK now WHM my two favorite jobs and my mains... I salute you for your work in exposi... uh I mean "exploring" the jobs and thir uh wonderful perks bc I'm definitely not salty as the earth beneath my DRK rn bc of their problems
I mean, I don't play WHM, more of a SCH user myself (by necessity of a healer only, I main SMN), but reading up on his skills and how the Lilly system works... yeah, if ya gotta jump through THAT many hoops just to get Blood Lilly online, then I can understand if ya want Misery to get its potency bumped up a bit. I'm with you WHM mains! From a safe distance, thought, I just got my job to be remotely fun to use with the recent rework, I don't wanna lose that by angering our lord and savior YoshiP.
If lillies were ogcd I would simply become a god. Sge dps will be in danger! Just the thought of two charges of Tele warms my heart. Another whm change wish is (reduce mp or increase the potencies first of all) that a lily can be used as a damage spell. Like let a mini lily holy bomb go off on an enemy so I'm not wasting lillies because I'm probably capped not using them and I want the blood lily as movement damage because that's what it's only good for now:')
Going off of that idea it makes me want an AOE DOT attack back using this concept, either I can cast this or the AoE/Single Target lilly. It sucks having to spam lillies just to get the worse off misery that is also on GCD lol. It is so... ugh.
I usually don’t use my lilies until the group has taken AOE or the tank needs some instant healing, but otherwise I’ll just spend them between pulls till I get my blood and use the misery on a weave with assize once the mobs are gathered
So many names and spell idk but for some reason I feel like I dont need to know them in order to have fun with this video xD I find really enjoyable the fact that all the dialog is being "narrated" by a MALE bunny man there is sth about it that I find quite refreshing and not cringe the rap was on point! thank you for the video I wish you a great day
There should be no such thing as a "beginner job" - its a stupid idea. There are 90 levels to progress through, pick up new concepts and learn as you go. Whether you are a "beginner" or not should be specific to your level range (as far as the devs and introducing skills are concerned - i am not talking about savage or parsing here, obviously). Make the lily spells ogcd, and make misery 2000 potency. Make Thin Air "the next five spells cost no mana," and make sure it doesnt trigger on 0MP cost spells. Make whm and ast spells that do the same damn thing cost the same damn mp (plus same casting time and potency if they aren't).
I wouldn't say it's a stupid idea. There are some people that may never grasp more than one job. It doesn't matter how much we want to believe everyone can do everything, sometimes there are variables out of a person's control. Emotional, Mental, or physical circumstances or something else entirely. Some people get offended when this is mentioned and want to believe everyone can do everything and will not accept any other reason. Or they thinking you're suddenly making excuses for bad players. Then there's even a small majority that feel like those who can't keep up just the same do not even deserve to play the same game. The point is having something that anyone can fall back on for whatever reason is more open to the vast majority of people than to set up well intentioned roadblocks that some will never surpass. Now this isn't in the defense of bad players who refuse to get better, but the fair consideration of those who are trying but have a difficult time for some other reason.
If anything, Conjurer should be the beginner healer. I think they should let stone-less classes be at least viable to use up to max level content, but not allowed in to high end stuff. If it's max effectiveness is lower to max the much lower skill ceiling, it might still encourage people to pick up the job stone. All it takes is seeing what you're missing out on. All of the cool abilities that you could have if you just take the risk with the higher difficulty job. Unfortunately, the design of the Class/Job system isn't going to change even if it desperately needs to. the only Scholar spell classified as a "Class" spell is Resurrection.
@@redgeoblaze3752IMO they should all be viable stone or not, but with different set of skills. GLD for example could have more damage and less protection than PLD. As well as for role playing elements. Some people, including myself, would have preferred to stay Rogue instead of being forced into ninja.
@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj I could see them revamping the system of classes to make it a bit more normal. For stuff like Black Mage, White Mage, Dragoon, and Warrior, I don't think many would complain if you just start out as that class instead of becoming that class at level 30. For lore reasons they could still call you a Thaumaturge until you get scouted by a proper Black Mage. It's not like there isn't a precedent for that kind of thing. I don't think the Ninja questline calls you a Ninja even once. I've only heard them call you a Shinobi. For the others where the class and job theme differ, they could just be spun off into different yet similar classes. Once you get Archer to level 30, then you can go unlock Bard the same way you'd unlock Scholar for example. I've known people who are confused by the system of how only some classes need to start as a different one, how some start at a higher level, and all that.
I main White Mage, since the beginning- I'm starting to question my existence. I've personally never had a care in the world with how we operate or if we do damage or not. I much prefer just making sure my party members are healthy, but of course I do damage when it's needed. Admittedly I do miss Aero 3, the animation and added DPS towards pulls was nice. I've also never had MP problems because, sue me but, I still use Cure 1 a lot in newer content. If you've got Med2 uptime and Regen on your tank, it works perfectly fine, and you can bank on a Lily or Freecure if things are getting shakey even then. My instant and full heals are always kept for emergencies, and I manage just fine. But with the way things are expressed here, I'll admit that I would absolutely love some damage changes to WHM since every other healer has some kind of extra perk and we're just the "big heal" guys. I guess giving us a lower cast time ability was a good start, but when you put into perspective that WHM was originally centered around elementals, you can't help but wonder: _Well, why can't I just drown our enemies towards late-game content since they kinda robbed us of our Aero for Red Mage?_ And that's absolutely valid, because I absolutely do want something like Water 3 or whatever you call it. Let us have an AOE that just summons a swirling riptide on a group of ads so we have SOMETHING, ANYTHING ELSE TO OUR BRAINDEAD EXISTENCE AS MEDICAL SERVICE SLAVES- I really don't know where I went with this comment.
I picked conjurer at game start because I liked the idea of fighting things with the elements. I hadn't done any research at all, so I was surprised to find out it was a healing class! Still, I stuck it out til lv50... To think I nearly gave up on FFXIV because of that job and the ARR questline... Thanks for letting me know I'm not just tasteless (also proven by the fact that I'm here)
As a new player who is still maining white mage... this made me cry a little. I just cleared Heavensward and yea, noobliness aside, it does feel like white mage is missing a lot in the way of abilities and personality. On the flip... on the 25th anniversary of South Park... the, "They'll take er jobs!" Line was perfect 🥰 All hail the Mistress of Cringe!
WHM has been my go-to healer for almost my entire playtime (went SCH for a while back when Selene was a thing) and it just continues to make me sad. SCH hasnt done it for me in a while, maybe SGE once it's leveled but and AST just has too much button bloat for controller. Why are draw and play different buttons? Why does minor arcana need a separate play button? I hope one day SE makes healers better for more aggressive players but I fear their desire to keep the largest amount of players they can will lead to dumbed down healers forever. :/
Lucy, I only ever sin because I wish to be noticed by you. Also your songs at the end of videos are always great and that dose of cringe and dopamine I need. Continue the great work girl love ya!
I mained WHM in ShB and I enjoyed it. But I switched to AST despite how dumbed down the card system is. It’s simply more effective in OH SHIT situations when your MP is pushed to the limit because you have to keep reviving the DPS that don’t know what mechanics are.
i dont even play ff14 but at this point i just watch your videos whenever i see them because there is something beautilful about your voice and narrative :d
As a PLD main, I love having a WHM healer. Holy is the best mitigation, it's like a free Hallowed Ground that does damage :3 And it's the only healer you have to raise from lv1, so the person playing it is guaranteed to have reasonable experience playing healer (SCH can be raised via SMN. I should know, that's how I got my healer role quests done). Not saying that always makes them good, but the number of painful dungeon runs (read: where I cast Clemency) is much lower with WHM.
@@RangerRobin0404 considering i'm pretty sure at least one if not both of my static healers (we're all new, guildies from wow) boosted to get there... yeah, the pain is real. our whm definitely boosted, other healer's a sage and i'm not sure what he boosted but i'm almost positive he did. I have faith that they'll learn if they want to continue with it though. Just makes me glad i took the game at my own pace
I'm mostly a tank (WAR) player currently going through Stormblood, but decided to take a small break and get some healing chops done with WHM (just got regen) and let me tell you I can appreciate the healers that had to pickup the slack from my mess ups until now.
WHM main here. I can say in turn that I personally love tanking for PLD mains so much that PLD is also my main tank because I wanna give back to my fellow healers. We can heal ourselves, have many defense buffs, have two skills that stop us from taking damage (most of the time) and can even give shields to other party members. When I'm healing for a PLD, it's like being the parent of a teenager. They can handle themselves for awhile, but you should always check in on them to let them know you care. Meanwhile every other tank is a toddler biting at everyone else's ankles and you have to manage them so much more. You tell Lil Gunbreaker Jr. to not eat the gum on the floor? Does it anyways. Meanwhile Warrior is bullying other kids in the McDonald's playpin, and Dark Knight won't stop DRINKING YOUR COFFEE.
mained SCH for 3 years, rerolled to WHM After they took away my Selene (and control over my fairies). Re-rerolled Astro in SHB ----re-re-rerolled RDM for Endwalker Q__Q my life is a non-ending cycle of rerolling because they are taking away the "FUN" in the jobs I pick.
As a new play , I feel like the youngest child that ignorantly plays around and just accepts what daddy Yoshi-p gives us, while older sibling veterans of the game cry out in anguish in the background.
This video is my white mage spirit animal. So many times I just cope with it but trying to think of ways to fix my baby DX What's worse my friend mains drk and we both beg for changes. "Oh but drk and whm go together because of LD and bene!" Says the brainlet... ah... that's why I exist, we must be made well-OH WAIT TBN NEEDS TO POP BUT MY HOLY STUNS SO I ACTIVELY AM A TOTAL DPS LOSS FOR MY DRK? 🤔 Ahh in the end, hella good points of everything I wish this job changed or had back (aero 3 I miss you 😭). Amazing video!~♡
It is very similar to RDM in ShB’s release before they adjusted MP cost. You HAVE to use your MP recovery off cooldown or you get into an irrecoverable deficit. And RIP if you ever die. Then you’re fked.
They nerfed thin air and then didn't really make up for it. lucid dreaming on CD helps, but you're completely fucked if you get KO'd for any reason (and, by extension, so is your party).
@@Spectacular_Insanity They fixed that in 5.05 too. Didn't take a whole major patch. I hope beyond hope that ALL healers get their main dps spells to 300 mana, and balance healing costs around that. No job should be going OOM just doing their dps, especially when as a healer you basically just have a single spell that is the equivalent of "attack" in a non-MMO FF, which was always free. They got rid of TP for the same basic reason, so melee weren't resource starved to just simply press their buttons.
While it did suck in ShB lilies were a DPS loss, I'm glad they had a purpose of some kind (they made big pulls more enjoyable to me). Still crying over the Thin Air Charges. I just wanna talk to the person who made that change, PLEASE
And to think I wanted to be a White Mage back when I was trying to get into FF14 before discovering that Square Enix did not believe my country existed. Dodged a bullet right there :D
Because of THIS I subbed. ❤️ As a former WHM main.. it's just sad. If our lilies were off gcd and Tetra had the 2 charges instead of benison, it would be AMAZING, still not fixed, but BETTER. They could even make lilies give mp to us if they kept the new thin air.(like sage addersgall spenders do) The fact that AST does everything we do, but with faster cast time and for less mp cost AND they get op party buffs, feels like a slap in the face as a WHM. 😞 Also Lucy ur raps at the end of your videos are so unique and cute, keep doing your thing 😊
Just wanna add When Astrologians die and get 0 mp, they could just draw cards, pop Astrodyne and Lucid Dreaming then BOOM. You get back your mp 100% in less than 10 seconds. White Mages on the other hand... There's nothing that could save you...
Yup, I did too because white mage is kind of in a bad spot right now. I Main scholar as a healer so I am always curious as to see how my co healers are doing.
Always appreciate a historical perspective on job mechanics of yesteryear. As a human who identifies as Lawful Evil and has a messianic complex, I've always thought about giving white mage a shot but my hedonistic nature keeps me firmly rooted in astro because cards and sparkles. Starting to worry I might be too dumb to be evil :3
The role of a healer is one woeful agonizing labor. The kind of labor that takes either zen levels of patience or the apathy of an unsmiling God. Few could ever fully comprehend the sacrifice the healer truly makes. Those that do are respectful and grateful for the aid bestowed upon them. Yet there's the ignorant masses who takes the task lightly. May they find themselves under the crushing blight, they may humbled and enlightened. Those who refuse may remain in the cold embrace of the floor. -Kraphtr the Scholar.
the fucking Narnia joke wrecked me (whm main) I would love lillies being ogcd also the lilly bell needs overhaul.i personally hate the lily bell and lillies not being ogcd. (everything else i actually agree with.) the bell either needs serious work. like I consider basically broken. it lasts 2 short for the 3 min cooldown to be justified. the lillies almost never get used. and often times the things I actually want lillies for, its not good enough. let me pop them or triple the length it stays. seriously. but I whm main forever.
I have had mp issues ever since 6.0. Even at low levels, if I ABC I will run oom fairly often. Having to keep lucid dreaming on cd is not fun. Mp management is not fun imo. It just add unneeded stress, especially when the other 3 jobs don't have that issue.
Just give Cleric Stance back to White Mage exclusively, let them crank DPS out if they can't be a pure healer. I don't care if I'm wrong, bring it back it was so much fun
as a healer main, I felt "stood outside of my healing range because your favorite place to cast is Narnia" in my freaking SOUL
Every black mage ever
Dude, the number of times I’ve had to politely say “You guys don’t have to spread so far apart” is ridiculous. Even creating a giant blue dome often isn’t enough to bring them in. They’ll just stand outside it anyway.
@@thenson1Halo Its especially stupid because there are just not that many mechanics that require even ranged players to stay far away from the boss. Most of the time, anything that can hit you close on the boss also will target you far away from the boss.
That got a good laugh from me, those folks get a pity regen at best
I just stand in the general average location of the party. If you are outside of that, you'll at least be moved to my location when I res you
"Have you ever stood in AoE just to do a little more damage?"
*Sweats in Black Mage*
Genesis 1: “In the beginning there was WHM, and the WHM said ‘let there be HOLY’ and then there was HOLY. The WHM saw that this blinded their party, and they rested”- thus spoke Lucy. Amen.
As WHM was my first job to 90 and my current main, I can certainly say that everything is fine and nothing is wrong with the class. As a famous man once said, it's my mental disability so I get to choose the coping mechanism.
Please god I just want something other than feeling like my entire job is a shell of a class.
Probably an unpopular opinion but I feel like WHM has a great design. It is supposed to be simple and it doesn't need to be complicated. It allows accessibility for casuals and those who aren't that mechanical. Jobs like White mage and dancer belong in mmo's. You could make whm like ast and make them double weave 4-6 (based on redraw) times in a row for their opener while switching targets constantly between weaves, but you'd be making the game harder for a huge amount of the player base who probably don't want that.
Secondly, the whole idea that using lilies is a dps loss is straight wrong unless you only do the easiest content. You WILL be forced to gcd heal in the harder content (p3s/p4s). You will use your lilies in these cases. 0 mana heals with great range, no cast time and high potency. Your dps parse as a healer doesn't matter, not even in the slightest. Your dps rotation is 2 buttons and assize. The way you parse for those fights is you just force your cohealer to do all the work. Congratulations I guess, you're the master of 2 buttons?
For the first 100 kills of p4s, regen healer representation was 45 white mages and 55 Astrologians. This is what people are complaining about? Maybe the ludicrous difficulty of AST should mean they are slightly stronger in the harder content. People who say AST is easy, its just more busy are drinking the xenos kool aid. That dude plays warrior. The whm of tanks.
TLDR WHMs are simple and they should be simple. It's good for the game.
@@Mitsuho629 As someone who has been playing this game since 2013 as a healer, and someone who is highly frustrated with how the healers have been handled in recent years, I have to say, we need to disconnect simplicity from compelling design because they are not mutually exclusive. You can allow WHM to still be a simple, low APM job while still giving it an element of depth that makes your decisions feel impactful, and for your abilities to actually compliment the gameplay that we've been given.
The way the current level of simplicity has been designed is stifling WHM gameplay at all levels, making its playstyle counterintuitive to how the encounter design has evolved over the years, and punishing players for utilizing its own unique job mechanics in the lilies which offer worse healing than your regens and worse damage than your Glare.
Many players who are frustrated with WHM and have discussed alternatives have often done so within respect to retaining WHM as a low APM job and would allow it to still be simple, and potentially even better for new and casual players since it then becomes easier to do your job at a more comfortable pace rather than making you a blatantly inferior AST in literally every way, and that's not even being hyperbolic.
There's a designer who doesn't have much views on his stuff, but has some really worthwhile suggestions for healing design in some videos here if you're curious: ua-cam.com/video/dF3XIhJm_N0/v-deo.html
"Your dps parse as a healer doesn't matter, not even in the slightest.", if so, dont even talk about the first 100 kills of P4S just after that, they would have been not possible at all without healer dps.
You know nothing about how healing works on FFXIV raiding, it kinda hurts. The way you parse is by planning your ogcd and group mitigs in a way to optimize both healers DPS while active%, just watch some high quality duo healing parses, they are all about both healers on gray healing parse, but with orange dps parse both together, and 95%+ DPSWA%. And except the Curtain Call on P4S, litteraly the only healing check rn, you can actually go through all the actual savage content with both healers without even casting a single healing GCDs. AOE Lillie on WHM doesnt really count as a gcd healing tho since it's somewhat a "neutral" (a healing gcd who dont makes you lose dps while being used, such as Pneuma for the Sage for example) thanks to the blood Lillie at the end.
If the only "good" dps parse from healers around you are with one orange dude with 0% healing next to his co healer being green, with a low DPSWA%, and purple healing, you are just surrounded by bad healers, and by bad healers, I'm talking for the both of them, the "I dont care about healing even my ogcds" one and the "Imma overcasts stuff because I'm the cool healer who heals pretty nicely instead of asking to people around to stick their fingers out of their asses and start planning ther healing ogcds and their own team mitigs".
@@Orih9 "simplicity and compelling design are not mutually exclusive"
sounds like me complaining about new SMN
@@talancorwell Stop looking into the future for the "SUMMONER is Suffering video" or Lucy'll get you!
I feel like they should be trying to make the "beginner" healer class as fun as possible so that more people will actually dip into healer even if they then switch off WHM after. If people play a healer they hear is the easiest to get the hang of and then get bored they'll probably just swear off healer entirely. I'm sure there are people out there that enjoy the current play style but I'm genuinely curious if that's just because they are used to it. The OGCD changes would keep the general playstyle but make it as fast paced as the rest of the game, which is a great starting point for improving it.
Between Astro and Sage are currently my favorite healers.... and since i haven't completed endwalker yet, i've basically just leveled all the healers to 80.... they are definately more fun to play and more challenging to play well. as astro half the time I forget that cards exist but the other half the time I'm focusing on healing the entire party because i forgot to heal tank (this is where benediction is quite needed and where all other healers kinda miss out). As sage, you can't get away with just healing through kardia, even though the entire premise of the class is to heal through kardia, so you have to actually balance healing through kardia and doing damage with healing with your other heals and getting into trouble when you again forget to heal tank... because as soon as the tank gets below half... it becomes very difficult to get them back up to max and keep them and the party alive... on big pulls. then there is scholar. the second easiest healer to play. it's as simlple as hitting your pet commands and making sure you (0r your pet) are placed close enough to the entire party to actually have a decent effect. (I question my life choices... becoming a healer main in FFXIV)
Edit: I forgot to answer what I Intended to comment on... with all that being said. WHM is NOT a fun class to play. It's too simple and basic to be enjoyable or challenging. Every other healer has more interesting mechanics and more chances to get to the "o'crap'we're'wiping" phase of a dungeon pull. WHM just doesn't make your party members hate your guts as much because you don't know how to heal a wall to wall pull as a SGE. But that's just me. Other people probably find it enjoyable simply because it's not as challenging as other roles. there are people out there that rather just have fun and don't find challenging games fun. there are plenty of people that rage quite dark souls because of it's mechanics, and plenty more that have never even done an ultimate and probably don't plan on it. but that's just who those people are. they play games to have fun, and they play mindlessly. they don't like to think they just want to play. healer roles just aren't as mindless as they might like.
Yeah I was so bored when I leveled healer and thats even though im a support player in all games I play and mostly play healers. The biggest problem was that support classes in other games have more than just healing. They have crowd control and buffs. Yet both sleep and fluid aura dont work on anything but the smallest mob and the effect is broken once the enemy is attacked.
In the end what is lacking is a sense of agency.
Making Lilies ogcd would definitely be a mistake. If I wanted something fast-paced I'd go play... any of the other healers. Not all the healers need to be fast to play. We need some slower-paced jobs in the game. And they'd have to nerf Misery's potency if Lilies went on the ogcd. Just make WHM not punished for gcd healing, and give us more GCD options.
@@cedlucien I mean... you could always just cast your ogcd lily heals instead of casting glare 3, and you'd have the same effect, while letting the rest of the WHM players get a buff. When I heal I've usually gone for WHM, but after having my mana efficiency taken away, I've been lvl'ing up AST as a side project, and noticed that currently they get essentially the same toolkit, but better, with less mp cost per spell. Example: WHM gets regen, and AST gets a spell that does a small direct heal AND the same potency regen, for the same mp cost. They have the same thing when you compare medica 2 vs their AE heal/regen: it's just flat out cheaper to cast. They ALSO get mp back every single time they draw a card, which they'll be doing often.
@@kedolan4992 should be doing often, but this is one of the most difficult aspects of the job to balance with healing and DPS. I have seen plenty of Astros(including me) just outright forgetting that mechanic.
"I love maining the No-DPS-loss healer AST!" I shout to the heavens as the optimal rotation requires quadruple weaving cards and spending lightspeed exclusively on the impossibly tight burst windows (and god help you if you touch any heal) and literally any second you're not drawing a card and putting said card on cooldown snowballs into a dps loss getting too big for louisoix to stop an-
Together as Paladin we will blind the party with Holy and Holy Circle.
RDM with lb3: Did somebody say.. BLIND?
Ast with early star had entered chat
*turns off the graphics for other players*
@@somedude15231 Verblind is the best raid wide buff.
@@HaruMaho88 someone with a just passing computer: ok, my system just actually exploded.
"They don't want to take lilies off the GCD and potentially upset casual players"
if SE cared about casual players, they would make Cure I turn into Cure II instead of baiting players with the trap known as freecure.
Honestly i use Cure1 a lot. If target's not dire need of bursthealing i'd rather save my mana since WHM run out of it a lot
@@strikerdx2 thats -1 glare Sadge. just benison them before a raidwide and lily them along with everyone else
@@strikerdx2 I really hope you're trolling.
@@entelin i am not, it is usefull
@@strikerdx2 You my friend, has been baited by freecure :3
We are slowly getting closer to "Healer is suffering"
When they eat an easily avoidable mechanic and collect shitter stickers, they don't care. When they are in another zip code out of range of your heals and die to raidwides, they don't care. When the party wipes because someone didn't participate in resolving a mechanic or did their part incorrectly, they don't care, and then have the FUCKING balls to blame the healer for it.
If my rage as healer with the average DF heroes could be harnessed as a power source it would power the entire industrialized world for 10,000 years.
>healer arguably does the most work in roulettes
>rarely gets comms
>meanwhile tanks just need to press 2-3 mitigation CD per w2w pull while spamming their AoE combos
>gets all the comms
The virgin healslut fears the alpha tankCHAD
@@notting2640 why would I commend the healer when I can chadly bloodwhet my way through anything. The omicron-sigma Chad femroe Warr VS teh turbo Virgin bunny boi healer
No see, healers LIKE WARchads because it's usually one less perma brink of death shitter that needs to be repeatedly scraped off the ground making the fight take eons because the WAR and maybe the other DPS is the only one getting to do any damage. CHADrriors can take care of themselves while you babysit the DPS who have more vuln stacks than brain cells.
I always commend the heals. As a tank main, thank you all for keep us alive. And picking up that dragoon/red mage that died… again.
Love it when they give healers skills that are strictly better than another healer's skills. Here's Kerachole, it's Sacred Soil but Literally Just Better!
Having known nothing about the issues these white mages have had inflicted upon them by updates, I am now suitably upset on their behalf.
"To live is to suffer which means the job closest to life should be a masochist's wet dream" - YoshiP
So WHM is the closest to Hydaelyn's vision then
I've been a healer main since ARR (Though SCH then, and SGE currently, never liked the WHM playstyle as much), and I can definitely agree here. The devs really just don't seem to know what to do with the healer jobs, and WHM always seems to get the worst of it. The whole thing with WHM being the one with the "big heals" was true way back in ARR when it was only compared with SCH (When GCD healing needed to be done, because even SCH only had a handful of ogcds, and WHM only had Benediction), and for the early part of HW when AST was still underpowered, but since then it really hasn't been "stronger" at healing. It's just the "easy" healer. I remember thinking that the lily rework in shadowbringers seemed like a really good idea, and it was definitely an improvement over the old one, but it just didn't go far enough, and they didn't do anything with it in Endwalker either (Actually made them less useful in a way, since you don't need them as much for weaving/movement anymore).
I have my complaints about the other healers as well (There's a reason I switched from SCH to SGE, and I could voice a lot of issues with SCH design, but it's not that SCH is actually bad), but WHM needs the attention more than any of the others do. Give them SOMETHING. It doesn't have to be something super complex (The simplicity of WHM is part of the draw and I doubt they'd change that), but they really need some improvements. Both in terms of numbers (especially regarding MP) and making their kit actually make some sense. Making lilies not a DPS loss would be a good start, however they might choose to do it (there are some potential issues no matter which route they go, but nothing insurmountable).
Also before I go on too much of a healer design rant: great video as always. Really captured the healer experience there at the start too.
You're not wrong, Aero III was love, Aero III was life.
I forgot that aero 3 once lived. I shed a tear seeing that animation.
@@Squallcloud95 You know what's worse than not having Aero 3 anymore. Not having the Aero 3 animation anymore, it was so good looking. I feel the same way about Stone too, Glare just isn't the same as firing out your elemental bricks to enemies faces.
@@Asako_Gaming yeah, glare and dia are really boring, stone's variants were super satisfying
@@Asako_Gaming That's the way I feel about Inochian on BLM
I wish they could have holy be an aoe dot so not just as attack I think
*not even 2 seconds in:* "...well met sinner..."
*me:* well met?... ahem... WELCOME AND WELL MET MY BRAVE LITTLE SPARK...
As someone who recently raised white made from level 1 to 90 i gotta say I understand why white mages are kind of assholes, have you ever witness a dps just willingly stand in an aoe over and over again? Like why? white mage has an mp problem and we save our ogcds for the tank, and even when you TRY to be nice and use rescue to save their asses from themselves they'll run right back into it. But im the asshole if I leave them on the floor right? Sorry...sorry lost myself there, point is avoid the aoes I dont wanna heal you guys from yourselves if it can be helped
Yes. And I have also witnessed a dps admit to being drunk and try to runaway from the White Mage hell bent on rescuing them from harm. :0 she got there just in time to rescue me though. White Mages are heroes.
As someone who's mained WHM since I started playing (ShB) Let me say the absolute most "I'm becoming the Joker" thing I can see in an instance, is when the ✨dps ✨ complains about not being at full health all the time. Even worse is when they complain about how I didn't heal them so they died, when they got hit by an instant death mechanic 🙃
It’s truly been a life-altering journey. When I started maining CNJ back in 2.0, being a healer made me feel like I was one of those Doctors Without Borders, roaming the low level zones and responding to shouts asking for raises as quick as we could, our hearts overflowing with love for our brethren. Now we’re the blackhearted, jaded, and sadistic masters of life and death who respond only to our own whims.
You aren’t necessarily wrong. I’ve witnessed DPS do dumb shit all the time when I’m a Tank or a healer (when I’m not the DPS doing said dumb shit).
I hate having to spend the few ogcds I have on dps. I mean.. Ill do it but damnit.. Get out of the mechanics!
You know there’s a problem with a pure healing spell (lilies) when it is only optimal to spam it 3x when everyone is at full HP and the boss isn’t even in the room.
trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Lily''s not being OGCD is pepega to the max. I leveled SCH, when i leveled whm i was so impatient to get lily's spell to finally have OGCDs and god i felt so betrayed when i saw the GCD roll.
The Aoe one is great design. I am absolutely fine with the Aoe one being on the GCD. That single target one though, that's a no no, the main time that baby gets used is during boss transitions when I just spam 3 in a row.
@@Asako_Gaming Every time I hear about Stormblood Lilies I remember that Stormblood Launch Confession worked the exact same way and Plenary was a single target oGCD.
I honestly think there was potential in the confession mechanic as it moved through Stormblood though. The way I wish it worked was getting procced by some of our oGCDs (Assize's heal would be replaced with two stacks, the initial tick of Asylum would apply it and a HoT, Benison and Temperance apply a stack each) and then consumed by our heals, including Regen/Medica II ticks and Tetra. Plenary would remain the dump option that was available every minute.
But I'm also a crazy person who wants Temperance's duration and cd cut in half so you can give it charges, which would further enable that change.
Basically you'd get Lilybell without having to deal with Lilybell. Instead you dealt with your entire kit as a hodgepodge engine to Lilybell and/or Star when you wanted to.
Lilies would require rework to become ogcd or else WHM gcd usage would become even more universal. Do you trust them to make lilies OGCD but not actually make the overall class gameplay worse, and not just "and then you weave a lily heal every X seconds" for a class with very few weaves in the 1.5s cast time era?
@@joshuayung5158 The issue isn't really the GCD. It's just not really that useful. The GCD aoe heal lilly is great. The single target one is awful and Misery being a straight DPS loss and it not having a charge really kills the skill. If you have Misery primed you should be able to start charging a 2nd one before even casting the first one so you can at least line it up with raid buffs instead of sometimes wasting lillies. How about a lilly that casts a glare potency attack as an instant cast? I'd happily use that to weave and save MP. Why is it specifically locked to healing.
@@Asako_Gaming I agree the lily system overall is in need of rework but the suggested fix I keep seeing of "make lilies ogcd" in and of itself ain't a solution. And tbf, single target lilies had a role before endwalker in healing during forced movement and for creating weave windows, which the cast time reduction basically eliminated.
as someone who switched to main Sage from WHM because it just feels increasingly bad, thank you for the advocacy for us low IQ healers.
I started Conjurer and got white mage to 90 before starting Sage. I didn't know why people complained about white mage being boring, I was having fun. But then with Sage I saw how much fun was possible with healing and now it's hard to go back to white mage sometimes
I couldn't even get through the first quest duty as a sage........... it hurted my brain
I want to say it again. This girl deserves way more subscribers.
It’s probably the most entertaining FFXIV channel and bonus other good videos like cat girl dating sims. Not subbing is a crime.
Shell rise.
@@PaulHofreiter Viceversa for me 😆
Algorithm feeds her videos but people are too cowardly to admit they like the cringe and smash that sub
I love this channel because of how well she explains things
It seems to me as though you should distance yourself from the "elements" of WHM and embrace the other side of the spectrum. I heard it has Fire, Ice, Thunder and my favorite elements: Despair, Foul, and Scathe! Give in to the despair that plagues healers, abandon the foul healing magicks, and scathe all with the Real Mage Rage. Join us as we rage at boss aoes for targeting our poor innocnent leylines!
In 1.0, it actually used fire, ice, and thunder spells. Thm in 1.0 was the dot mage at the time, while conjurer got all the elemental spells. Which is, funnily enough, fitting with the legacy of whm as "that job that loses its abilities so everyone else can get knock-off versions of them later."
Don't ever cast Scathe. Ever. Delete it from your hotbar. If they ninja deleted Scathe from BLM tomorrow, not one single BLM would notice, or care.
@@charlesmoore3390 it’s the only skill that can early pull mobs without cast times
@@charlesmoore3390 I feel the same way with Shield Bash as a Tank main. The move has been garbage since ARR. They just need to hurry up and give all the tanks a trait that changes the shared stun into their own kind. Same with Rampart to be fair. They already have all the animations in the game and they are going to waste.
WAR -> Brutal Swing / Foresight
PLD -> Shield Bash / Rampart
DRK -> Low Blow / Shadowskin
@@ChipotleKanetsu Eh.. Yes? At really low levels? Maybe? But that's something you only really need on very rare occasions.
And honestly, with Swiftcast, Triplecast, Sharpcast, Firestarter, Thundercloud, Amplifier, Xenoglossy, Flare, and Umbral Ice Paradox, we've got plenty of ways to pull instacast that are actually worth casting.
I might be reading into it too much or personifying the concept, but WHM and DRK do be looking like the couple that the world hates, and they hate it back because it took from them and gave it to everyone else. My logic for putting them together (other than the relationship highlighted in your DRK video) is that Reprisal, Low Blow, and Interjection (though animation wise only, this used to be HW Delirium where it was a debuff attack that lowered INT on the target) all used to belong exclusively to DRK... they hate each other, but simultaneously stay together out of necessity and because no one else can feel their pain.
Funnily enough, i find whm and dark to work fantastically together in dungeons. Fight starts off, and drk doesnt need to worry about incoming damage for a while because holy stun. Then, when that wears off, they can pop TBN and shadow-wall, and the rest of the encounter can be padded out with whm aquaveil and divine benison. Leading to the tank feeling way tankier than normal, and able to lean more heavily into offense, while the whm gets to enjoy going as offensive as it wants.
Meanwhile, living dead is a nightmare for other healers to deal with, but on whm you just press 1 OGCD and oh look full health.
The whm toolkit works absolutely perfectly with the drk toolkit, if the 2 think about things decently. Enough so that, when I played whm, I had by far the most fun healing decent drks as opposed to any other tank (who I felt like I was fighting, with them throwing out stuff haphazardly leading to annoying damage spikes)
As someone that mains DK and WHM is my sub... i feel you on all this~ DK does what it does giving no fucks to the world that spurns it, WHM tried, tried so hard to keep that positivity of Conjurer... bu learned, learned hard, the SUFFERING that is the world and told it to go fuck itself... WHM now understands DK like no other, so despite their mutual hate, they hate the world more, even if it needs constant saving~
*obligatoryangstangstANGST*
WHM and DRK work too well because DRK lack defense and self healing as other tank due to cooldown. Granted tbn and shadow wall help but their cooldown is about a few minutes. DRK and a new player Sage is like Oil and Water most of the time. AKA they like to shell instead of actually filling the health bar.
@@uberpinkwarrior Oh, same! I love healing DRKs when I'm playing WHM. Honestly, didn't even noticed DRK's got the shaft this expansion until I was told. xD They are so easy to heal.
I don't play WHM but now....? I don't think I ever will. Thank you for saving me Lucy, you do be a real one :)
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As a WHM main, I feel this whole video in my bones.
I'll be honest, as a WHM main I feel like we're the only healer who didn't benefit AT ALL from the shortening of the cast time on the main damage spell. Because, well, I don't have ANYTHING to weave into that space when Assize, Assylum, and Tetra are on cool down except for Divine Benison which...will last all of two auto atttacks from a mob (I know someone will say "but liturgy of the bells" and let me just stop you, outside of extreme or savage, you aren't using that action). Meanwhile, I ended up counting the number of separate OGCD heals that Astro has.
It's 9.
And at least one of those OGCDs gets better if you use Aspected Helios before it ends, aka, your AoE regen that you're going to use after probably every raid wide.
Hell, the only reason I haven't switched from WHM main to Astro main is a combination of brand loyalty (Conjurer is what I started the game as) and because I'm stuck on PS4 which makes Astro much more difficult because of the more limited hotbar space (seriously if they just made drawing and playing a card 1 button instead of 2, I would be power leveling Astro so fast right now).
Also, as someone who only started playing in Shadowbringers, I had no idea that Temperance was originally a role action that got a reskin, or that Aero III meant we used to have something other than Holy to spam for big mobs.
In conclusion, I agree with your bandaid fix, and I appreciate this video.
Yeah theres literally no reason why the play skills need to be their own buttons
getting the shortened cast time helped anyone who had complaints about having no weave windows on WHM, but it simultaneously made the problems of the job embarrassingly visible. WHM really has no interesting decisions being made between or during their GCDs
at least in Shadowbringers, WHMs had to think “how do I weave my oGCDs without clipping Glare spam? AST has faster casts/Lightspeed, while SCH uses Ruin II... Aha! I can only weave after Dia and Afflatus spells, so I should plan my usage around those windows!”
it was like playing a bootleg BLM, so only *some* people found that fun, but at least it was SOME form of depth to the job
As much fun as blinding mob packs with holy is I do miss the ability to throw rocks at people. The mana cost issue is annoying, because it made "thin air" a mandatory button, instead of the "oh shit button" when you needed to heal big.
It's always funny when your Southern Belle slips out
I'm surprised there was no mention of the fact that they still kept Holy on a 2.5 second cast when they made every other casted dps spell on healers down to the new standard. I was baffled when I first learned that Holy was still 2.5 seconds.
@Nef I mean, no, they'd still get the same duration of stun, it would just start and end 1 second earlier.
And yes, because it's AoE once those stuns run out, unlike the other healers, white mage lacks the ability to effectively heal while dpsing in dungeons, you can't even weave assize.
I love how much you keep improving with your video flow and script writing. It's been an absolute joyride watching you grow these past many months!
I use to alternate between White Mage and Astrologian during Heavensward. What happened to the card system turned me away from Astro, and I just stuck with White Mage through the next 3 expansions. I can definitely admit White Mage has been getting shafted these last few years. It's still the most fun healer to me. What can I say. I played Jedi Sage/Sith Sorcerer in SWTOR for years before FFXIV. That healing style is just in my DNA.
You missed the most important part about Stormblood's Lillies: You couldn't use Divine Benison unless you had one! This was so bad they patched it out before the expansion was done.
A lot of the changes to WHM feel like they are trying to make WHM more proactive instead of reactive. I may not be the best WHM but I did get through the current raid tier with it. Lilybell when properly timed can cheese multiple mechanics where the other healers would have to press multiple cooldowns to resolve (orbs in p4s, coherence and flow 3 in p2s, intemp in p1s). The nerf to thin air forces the WHM to actually do something crazy, plan ahead and actually weave a charge to keep that thin air CD spinning. The mana restraints really feel mean if you forget lucid dreaming or thin air, and dying with lucid dream on CD means you have no meaningful MP recovery. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if WHM gets some form of a rework similar to Monk in ShB, it is clunky and unresponsive and while DrK is suffering, almost all of their mains are on reaper now leaving WHM as a potential rework that would get the biggest amount of attention from the audience for it happening.
Thing is, other healers also have single button (or close) resolutions to most of those situations.
As a rule of thumb anywhere you might Lilybell on WHM is a place another healer might use Panhaima/Seraph(&Consolations)/Macrocosmos. It isn't a perfect 1 to 1 comparison since some abilities do things better or worse than others but like... they definitely just wanted to give every healer a button for those times.
I do agree between the lily and Thin Air nerfs they've made WHM a bit more proactive but it's just more in line with the other healers, it isn't like... MORE proactive than them, in fact most of the time it's less and it could always lean back on Cure3/Med2 if needed, it's just more proactive than they've been forced to be in the past.
I just want to play WHM and feel like I'm not horribly chadding my cohealer really, and that's the tough spot - you can't, unless you shoot yourself in the foot and start GCD healing.
Here is the thing though; other healers have the same as Lilybell just in different forms (see Panhaima for Sage - the same but just 5 stacks of shields heals for a bit each time a shield stack breaks) so even that isn't special. D=
@@SnowTheBard AND its a lower cd and doesn't require you getting hit
@@SnowTheBard the major difference between panhaima and lilybell is the amount healed overall and positioning for heals. Lilybell is a much stronger overall heal when compared to panhaima, and both have the same use case of getting max effect from multiple consecutive instances of damage, panhaima requires you to be close to your party where lilybell can be placed anywhere and work. A case this works out is in p4s, lilybell comes up again during pinax 2 and if you get spread into boss spamming raidwides into enrage, or during P2S placing lilybell during the cast bar of coherence let's it solo heal the party and tank who took the tether before raidwides. Skill overlap is an okay thing as it makes swapping between healers much easier than having to relearn everything.
While panhaima is cool it is sage's mit that is the bigger hype than their shields
Dying with lucid dream on CD hurts so badly that it almost makes me want to save lucid dream for that occasion.... but I can't since it's become essential to have on CD essentially 100% of the time.
Tbh, as WHM main who had to swap to sge because my co-healer is also whm.
I would like to see these type of changes (not specifically these, but in their spirit).
Misery (60sec recast) - useable even without lilies.
Base potency 300, increasing per lily used.
1 lily: 580
2 lilies: 900
3 lilies: 1300
(this would allow whm to use misery with or without lilies for movement tech consistently, but not frequently, as well as big capstone nuke for building 3 stack being the only point of dps gain, rewarding planning and not drifting misery or lilies)
Assize simple and easy just give second charge.
Thin Air (1) : 3 charges 40 sec recast.
Thin Air (2) : Same thing we currently have but each charge affect 2 spells instead of 1.
Medica MP cost: 700
Medica II MP cost: 900
Cure III MP cost: 1200 (cannot be affected by thin air)
Tetragrammaton (1) : 60sec recast 600 potency applies regen, 12 sec 100 potency.
Tetragrammaton (2) : 2 charges 45 sec recast, 650 potency.
With either of Thin air change and lilies being dps gain, you would be getting several additional mana free cast per minute.
Liturgy of the Bell: same ability as now, but with addition to manually activate lilybell's heal every 5 secs, 3 seconds after setting down the lilybell.
Automatic activation: 400 potency
Manual activation: 300 potency
These would be my current suggestions on how to bring WHM up to par with the rest of healers whilst still keeping it quite simple for starting players.
First time I saw that first suggestion, and I like it a lot actually. I still hold out hope though they make the actual lily spells worth pressing by increasing their potencies above their equivalent cast time spell, so you have a double reason to cast them when healing is needed. If they're going to be a resource/CD, making them feel as weak as the cast time heals themselves are just feels AWFUL. A single target lily on its own often doesn't even save the life of someone taking one of those nice big 60% HP vuln stack mechanics this xpac loves to hand out. If I have one GCD before the next smack, I have to pair it with an OGCD (like single charge tetra) to even have a shot of saving them. Compare to OGCDs like AST have that can actually do that job by itself, and it feels doubly awful.
The healing community loves fussing over small dps gaps (looking at stats, the gap is maybe 4-5% at similar parse %) and ignoring that even when a WHM has gone out to do their highest possible HPS (90+% effective healing parses) they still pull 10% or more less actual healing than the other jobs, because their main tool is GCD heals that are woefully inadequate, and the same size as AST has for less mana. Just buffing our OGCDs isn't going to make up that gap either, our main tools need to be actually capable of doing their job.
WHM is easy to fix. Add another stack of Assize. Split the Lillies, Give us 3 pink lillies that do damage and gain stacks from glare and dia. white lillies gain stacks from healing
So basically what they did with Sage from the start
Yup make lilys work like Addersgall for Sages.
I subscribed when I saw the that the mouth tracking actually matches the words with the sassy humor and slight head tilts.
My simp powers are activating.
As a WHM many many times i have saved the entire group from total disaster - my method is for my own healing i use Medica 2 - whenever i need heal for myself I heal i heal the whole group - but to do this you want to have a high PIETY - mine is 1350 - also i recommend that you have REGEN button very handy because you need the extra protection it gives - some bosses do not like people using Medica and they will zap you individually - use the REGIN
Welcome to Shamans, post-Burning Crusade.
"Your Bloodlust is such a critical aspect of PvE content! Everyone loves it, and the value you (and it) bring!"
"... .... ..."
"...So we're giving it to *at least* 2 other classes."
As a new player and white mage main, it's always kind of depressing to see how it seems to be the worst healing job.
Great video as always
it actually isnt. Its just kinda boring and got cutted alot off. WHM was basically on the top of all healers basically forever. I started to love AST until they killed the job for me with the new card system.
@@semiramisubw4864 it’s really not though. AST, while their card system is watered down, is just as powerful, if not more. They trivialize some raid mechanics at the moment (particularly, towards the end of P3S if they just use Macrocosmos).
Everything wrong with WHM has already been laid out in this video. Actually, one thing that wasn’t mentioned was dying: if you die as a WHM and lucid isn’t up, you’re dead weight until it is, and it’s awful.
It’s doable in most content but the healer in my raid group switched to AST for these very reasons.
It's really not.
It’s not the worst healing job. Whm is the best healer for dungeons. The vid likely point to the issues about whm in raids. It is supposed to be good for progression but the current state kinda hit whm hard on mp without anything to compensate. And the feel of lilies gcd transition into glare feels odd. You get a 4 second of not seeing any numbers unless u pop a 0gcd in between which is unlikely since u had to use a lily to begin with.
@@mxhe0001 The thing is, as someone who has been playing White Mage for years now as my main job, let me tell you, dungeon viability is next to worthless in terms of gauging how good a job is. I jumped into Sage after a while, levelled it all the way up and... gotta say, no.
Sage performs just as well in pulls, because Haima is practically designed for it, you have three separate oGCD regens that can keep even the worst Dark Knights alive, Warriors are now immortal and need next to no healing at all. Paladin now has self heal too. Gunbreaker has a built-in Excogitation on its short cooldown mitigation.
Not to mention almost every single action Sage does makes it recover mana for some reason I still fail to understand. I need to spend 60 seconds waiting to make *one Glare* free, when Sage can barf out an AoE heal at 400 potency that *gives them mana back?* Assize is on a *longer cooldown* than Sage's Addersgall, yet every single Addersgall action gives them mana back? And they can gain additional of them at will?
Hell, Sage even *starts with full gauge for some reason,* which makes the first pulls phenomenally easy.
but dia and glare make it feel like you have mastered elements so you directly attune with the power of light
4 years ago, healers noticed they were doing almost nothing but cast their DPS spells in most content. (Yes, even savage.) 2 years ago, healers saw the great DPS action culling of Shadowbringers take away their DPS tools and leave a DoT and a Nuke. "Maybe that means we'll heal more!" Some hopefull healers thought.
That wasn't the case.
As Endwalker was announced and the healer skillsets were announced, healers saw no additions to fill their healing downtime. "Maybe that means we'll ACTUALLY have to heal more!" Some still hopeful healers thought.
new WAR was released
Subscribing for the humor and the clear and beautiful narration ^^ I'm a suffering white mage myself.
I pretty much agree on all of these points, however my biggest problem in general is the Aesthetic... I love the Elements as an aesthetic, and Conjuror / white mage had 2 of my favorites; Air and Stone. I was so sad when I lost these, I loved every upgrade to stone, it always got bigger and cooler, but remained grounded (So punny,) and Aero was so much cooler than Dia.
I love how all these videos come out when I’m on lunch thank you for the content. Loved this
WHM was my first love, so some part of me will always love it. But currently I feel AST, SGE, even SCH are just more effective healers because of their oGCDs. If just the lily system was oGCD, WHM would be so much more effective in terms of keeping dps up.
I was planning on commenting about DRK at the end of the video and how "we feel your pain," but then you had a very understandable DRK breakdown near the end there and I feel like that covered most of my feelings enough lol
I have been a WHM since ancient time, my best friend have been DRK since HW, we now hate the world together, which feel liberating.
I'm shock Lucy didn't burst into flames touching such a Holy job.
I had a friend that says WHMs dated design is also what all other healers are tethered to and held back by. The heal strength to damage out issues, the braindead dps rotation or lack thereof and the wholly obsolete cure 1 heals. You can see sage break from this a tiiiiiiny bit but have toxicon be dps neutral and phlegma exists at all. Along with eukrasia at least making their cure 1 have a thematic reason to exist but it still feels like the job is held back.
When we used to have cleric stance to switch between healing and dps modes, it was a lot more dynamic because even one GCD of poor planning could mean the difference between a wipe or saving the tank from his own ineptitude
First DRK now WHM my two favorite jobs and my mains... I salute you for your work in exposi... uh I mean "exploring" the jobs and thir uh wonderful perks bc I'm definitely not salty as the earth beneath my DRK rn bc of their problems
I'm surprised this wasn't a "Dark Knight is suffering WITH MORE SUFFERING" but I do agree WHM is in a cringe place right now.
This girl is awesome. I love her voice and her stories.
I mean, I don't play WHM, more of a SCH user myself (by necessity of a healer only, I main SMN), but reading up on his skills and how the Lilly system works... yeah, if ya gotta jump through THAT many hoops just to get Blood Lilly online, then I can understand if ya want Misery to get its potency bumped up a bit. I'm with you WHM mains! From a safe distance, thought, I just got my job to be remotely fun to use with the recent rework, I don't wanna lose that by angering our lord and savior YoshiP.
Ok that track at the end was FIRE!!! "If I Flood the world once, bet I'll do it again!"
If lillies were ogcd I would simply become a god. Sge dps will be in danger! Just the thought of two charges of Tele warms my heart. Another whm change wish is (reduce mp or increase the potencies first of all) that a lily can be used as a damage spell. Like let a mini lily holy bomb go off on an enemy so I'm not wasting lillies because I'm probably capped not using them and I want the blood lily as movement damage because that's what it's only good for now:')
Going off of that idea it makes me want an AOE DOT attack back using this concept, either I can cast this or the AoE/Single Target lilly. It sucks having to spam lillies just to get the worse off misery that is also on GCD lol. It is so... ugh.
I usually don’t use my lilies until the group has taken AOE or the tank needs some instant healing, but otherwise I’ll just spend them between pulls till I get my blood and use the misery on a weave with assize once the mobs are gathered
sage still would do more damage as it has higher potencys iirc
Desperately wish the lillies were ogcd absolutely omfg that'd do so much to help
Shit, that'd make whm actually fun to play!
_"Your spells cost mana? That's just inhumane!"_
- Your Chubby Marauder Friend
It's been 2 months and I'm still pretty sure Lucy and Chair are the same person with a voice modifier and potentially a hint of split personality
STOP ENCOURAGING HIM
So many names and spell idk but for some reason I feel like I dont need to know them in order to have fun with this video xD
I find really enjoyable the fact that all the dialog is being "narrated" by a MALE bunny man there is sth about it that I find quite refreshing and not cringe
the rap was on point!
thank you for the video I wish you a great day
There should be no such thing as a "beginner job" - its a stupid idea. There are 90 levels to progress through, pick up new concepts and learn as you go. Whether you are a "beginner" or not should be specific to your level range (as far as the devs and introducing skills are concerned - i am not talking about savage or parsing here, obviously).
Make the lily spells ogcd, and make misery 2000 potency.
Make Thin Air "the next five spells cost no mana," and make sure it doesnt trigger on 0MP cost spells.
Make whm and ast spells that do the same damn thing cost the same damn mp (plus same casting time and potency if they aren't).
I wouldn't say it's a stupid idea. There are some people that may never grasp more than one job. It doesn't matter how much we want to believe everyone can do everything, sometimes there are variables out of a person's control. Emotional, Mental, or physical circumstances or something else entirely. Some people get offended when this is mentioned and want to believe everyone can do everything and will not accept any other reason. Or they thinking you're suddenly making excuses for bad players. Then there's even a small majority that feel like those who can't keep up just the same do not even deserve to play the same game. The point is having something that anyone can fall back on for whatever reason is more open to the vast majority of people than to set up well intentioned roadblocks that some will never surpass. Now this isn't in the defense of bad players who refuse to get better, but the fair consideration of those who are trying but have a difficult time for some other reason.
If anything, Conjurer should be the beginner healer. I think they should let stone-less classes be at least viable to use up to max level content, but not allowed in to high end stuff.
If it's max effectiveness is lower to max the much lower skill ceiling, it might still encourage people to pick up the job stone. All it takes is seeing what you're missing out on. All of the cool abilities that you could have if you just take the risk with the higher difficulty job.
Unfortunately, the design of the Class/Job system isn't going to change even if it desperately needs to. the only Scholar spell classified as a "Class" spell is Resurrection.
@@redgeoblaze3752IMO they should all be viable stone or not, but with different set of skills. GLD for example could have more damage and less protection than PLD. As well as for role playing elements. Some people, including myself, would have preferred to stay Rogue instead of being forced into ninja.
@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj
I could see them revamping the system of classes to make it a bit more normal.
For stuff like Black Mage, White Mage, Dragoon, and Warrior, I don't think many would complain if you just start out as that class instead of becoming that class at level 30. For lore reasons they could still call you a Thaumaturge until you get scouted by a proper Black Mage. It's not like there isn't a precedent for that kind of thing. I don't think the Ninja questline calls you a Ninja even once. I've only heard them call you a Shinobi.
For the others where the class and job theme differ, they could just be spun off into different yet similar classes. Once you get Archer to level 30, then you can go unlock Bard the same way you'd unlock Scholar for example.
I've known people who are confused by the system of how only some classes need to start as a different one, how some start at a higher level, and all that.
As someone who plays both healer and dps about equally I can say I’ve done all of the things mentioned in the intro
I main White Mage, since the beginning- I'm starting to question my existence. I've personally never had a care in the world with how we operate or if we do damage or not. I much prefer just making sure my party members are healthy, but of course I do damage when it's needed. Admittedly I do miss Aero 3, the animation and added DPS towards pulls was nice.
I've also never had MP problems because, sue me but, I still use Cure 1 a lot in newer content. If you've got Med2 uptime and Regen on your tank, it works perfectly fine, and you can bank on a Lily or Freecure if things are getting shakey even then. My instant and full heals are always kept for emergencies, and I manage just fine.
But with the way things are expressed here, I'll admit that I would absolutely love some damage changes to WHM since every other healer has some kind of extra perk and we're just the "big heal" guys. I guess giving us a lower cast time ability was a good start, but when you put into perspective that WHM was originally centered around elementals, you can't help but wonder:
_Well, why can't I just drown our enemies towards late-game content since they kinda robbed us of our Aero for Red Mage?_
And that's absolutely valid, because I absolutely do want something like Water 3 or whatever you call it. Let us have an AOE that just summons a swirling riptide on a group of ads so we have SOMETHING, ANYTHING ELSE TO OUR BRAINDEAD EXISTENCE AS MEDICAL SERVICE SLAVES-
I really don't know where I went with this comment.
omfg the narnia joke made me laugh so hard, thank you so much Loli Lucy , god I hope you get a million subs and viewers every freaking video
I play all healers and I feel like Sage can do almost everything the other healers can but better and more efficiently.
I picked conjurer at game start because I liked the idea of fighting things with the elements. I hadn't done any research at all, so I was surprised to find out it was a healing class!
Still, I stuck it out til lv50... To think I nearly gave up on FFXIV because of that job and the ARR questline...
Thanks for letting me know I'm not just tasteless (also proven by the fact that I'm here)
The lily spells really need to be OGCD. They feel like they were designed that way but some muttonhead forgot to mark them as such in the engine.
That Aero III scroll text though.
As a new player who is still maining white mage... this made me cry a little. I just cleared Heavensward and yea, noobliness aside, it does feel like white mage is missing a lot in the way of abilities and personality.
On the flip... on the 25th anniversary of South Park... the, "They'll take er jobs!" Line was perfect 🥰
All hail the Mistress of Cringe!
Your outro tracks keep getting better. Sweet merciful gods of tragedy and smut that was fire.
This is a cry for help. Save White Mage!
P3S's Death's Toll into Life's Agonies is the biggest example of WHM pain .
AST: lol macrocosmos
WHM: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WHM has been my go-to healer for almost my entire playtime (went SCH for a while back when Selene was a thing) and it just continues to make me sad. SCH hasnt done it for me in a while, maybe SGE once it's leveled but and AST just has too much button bloat for controller. Why are draw and play different buttons? Why does minor arcana need a separate play button?
I hope one day SE makes healers better for more aggressive players but I fear their desire to keep the largest amount of players they can will lead to dumbed down healers forever. :/
Oh my God I just played ast for the first time in a super long time and trying to set up my cross bars on controller was a nightmare!
SGE didnt make me feel like a gundam sadge. makes me feel like im playing with a laser pointer
This time i got it on my feed right away, didnt have to wait 2 days to see it, thanks Lucy \o/
Her saying "you realize you've been conned" is pretty much me in EW. I explored all the healers once again to lvl to 90 and uh... yeah xD
Lucy, I only ever sin because I wish to be noticed by you. Also your songs at the end of videos are always great and that dose of cringe and dopamine I need. Continue the great work girl love ya!
Thank you for suffering for the suffering videos. I enjoy them
I gotta Say.
You definitely have one of the most Attractive Voices I've ever heard
I mained WHM in ShB and I enjoyed it. But I switched to AST despite how dumbed down the card system is. It’s simply more effective in OH SHIT situations when your MP is pushed to the limit because you have to keep reviving the DPS that don’t know what mechanics are.
i dont even play ff14 but at this point i just watch your videos whenever i see them because there is something beautilful about your voice and narrative :d
As a PLD main, I love having a WHM healer. Holy is the best mitigation, it's like a free Hallowed Ground that does damage :3
And it's the only healer you have to raise from lv1, so the person playing it is guaranteed to have reasonable experience playing healer (SCH can be raised via SMN. I should know, that's how I got my healer role quests done). Not saying that always makes them good, but the number of painful dungeon runs (read: where I cast Clemency) is much lower with WHM.
*laughs in Boost Potions* Sadly friend, many current WHM start at 80
@@RangerRobin0404 considering i'm pretty sure at least one if not both of my static healers (we're all new, guildies from wow) boosted to get there... yeah, the pain is real. our whm definitely boosted, other healer's a sage and i'm not sure what he boosted but i'm almost positive he did. I have faith that they'll learn if they want to continue with it though. Just makes me glad i took the game at my own pace
@@RangerRobin0404 ah crud. Forgot about that. Guess I've just been lucky then.
I'm mostly a tank (WAR) player currently going through Stormblood, but decided to take a small break and get some healing chops done with WHM (just got regen) and let me tell you I can appreciate the healers that had to pickup the slack from my mess ups until now.
WHM main here. I can say in turn that I personally love tanking for PLD mains so much that PLD is also my main tank because I wanna give back to my fellow healers. We can heal ourselves, have many defense buffs, have two skills that stop us from taking damage (most of the time) and can even give shields to other party members. When I'm healing for a PLD, it's like being the parent of a teenager. They can handle themselves for awhile, but you should always check in on them to let them know you care.
Meanwhile every other tank is a toddler biting at everyone else's ankles and you have to manage them so much more. You tell Lil Gunbreaker Jr. to not eat the gum on the floor? Does it anyways. Meanwhile Warrior is bullying other kids in the McDonald's playpin, and Dark Knight won't stop DRINKING YOUR COFFEE.
mained SCH for 3 years, rerolled to WHM After they took away my Selene (and control over my fairies). Re-rerolled Astro in SHB ----re-re-rerolled RDM for Endwalker Q__Q my life is a non-ending cycle of rerolling because they are taking away the "FUN" in the jobs I pick.
As a new play , I feel like the youngest child that ignorantly plays around and just accepts what daddy Yoshi-p gives us, while older sibling veterans of the game cry out in anguish in the background.
This video is my white mage spirit animal. So many times I just cope with it but trying to think of ways to fix my baby DX
What's worse my friend mains drk and we both beg for changes. "Oh but drk and whm go together because of LD and bene!" Says the brainlet... ah... that's why I exist, we must be made well-OH WAIT TBN NEEDS TO POP BUT MY HOLY STUNS SO I ACTIVELY AM A TOTAL DPS LOSS FOR MY DRK? 🤔
Ahh in the end, hella good points of everything I wish this job changed or had back (aero 3 I miss you 😭). Amazing video!~♡
As a healer main, I got worried that I was just bad at WHM when I leveled it up. Nah it is just MP HUNGRY.
It is very similar to RDM in ShB’s release before they adjusted MP cost. You HAVE to use your MP recovery off cooldown or you get into an irrecoverable deficit. And RIP if you ever die. Then you’re fked.
They nerfed thin air and then didn't really make up for it. lucid dreaming on CD helps, but you're completely fucked if you get KO'd for any reason (and, by extension, so is your party).
@@Spectacular_Insanity They fixed that in 5.05 too. Didn't take a whole major patch.
I hope beyond hope that ALL healers get their main dps spells to 300 mana, and balance healing costs around that. No job should be going OOM just doing their dps, especially when as a healer you basically just have a single spell that is the equivalent of "attack" in a non-MMO FF, which was always free. They got rid of TP for the same basic reason, so melee weren't resource starved to just simply press their buttons.
@@Spectacular_Insanity welcome to my life as SCH its no different because i run 390 piety :3 taking energy drains mana recovery away hurt :(
1:46 - Well worth the pause to read all that, holy hell.
While it did suck in ShB lilies were a DPS loss, I'm glad they had a purpose of some kind (they made big pulls more enjoyable to me). Still crying over the Thin Air Charges. I just wanna talk to the person who made that change, PLEASE
That extra 200 MP cost and 0.5 seconds cast time on Medica II is for that extra 5 yards of radius....
See?
fair.
And to think I wanted to be a White Mage back when I was trying to get into FF14 before discovering that Square Enix did not believe my country existed. Dodged a bullet right there :D
"Dark Knights stop crying" My tears have run dry so I'm good, Lucy.
It's sad how on point this video is from someone who isn't even maining the job. WHM being excluded from 6.08 felt like such a bad joke.
Because of THIS I subbed. ❤️ As a former WHM main.. it's just sad. If our lilies were off gcd and Tetra had the 2 charges instead of benison, it would be AMAZING, still not fixed, but BETTER. They could even make lilies give mp to us if they kept the new thin air.(like sage addersgall spenders do) The fact that AST does everything we do, but with faster cast time and for less mp cost AND they get op party buffs, feels like a slap in the face as a WHM. 😞
Also Lucy ur raps at the end of your videos are so unique and cute, keep doing your thing 😊
Just wanna add
When Astrologians die and get 0 mp, they could just draw cards, pop Astrodyne and Lucid Dreaming then BOOM. You get back your mp 100% in less than 10 seconds.
White Mages on the other hand... There's nothing that could save you...
God, the holy and glare to holy III and glare III skipping the II got me hard. Very good voice acting and timing
New video from Lucy? I click instantly! Thanks for the new video!
Yup, I did too because white mage is kind of in a bad spot right now. I Main scholar as a healer so I am always curious as to see how my co healers are doing.
Im also a huge simp for her
@@tintdlb not as big as me
Always appreciate a historical perspective on job mechanics of yesteryear. As a human who identifies as Lawful Evil and has a messianic complex, I've always thought about giving white mage a shot but my hedonistic nature keeps me firmly rooted in astro because cards and sparkles. Starting to worry I might be too dumb to be evil :3
The role of a healer is one woeful agonizing labor. The kind of labor that takes either zen levels of patience or the apathy of an unsmiling God. Few could ever fully comprehend the sacrifice the healer truly makes. Those that do are respectful and grateful for the aid bestowed upon them. Yet there's the ignorant masses who takes the task lightly. May they find themselves under the crushing blight, they may humbled and enlightened. Those who refuse may remain in the cold embrace of the floor.
-Kraphtr the Scholar.
healers hould be able to have fun, just like any job. forget this woeful labor bullshit.
the fucking Narnia joke wrecked me (whm main)
I would love lillies being ogcd
also the lilly bell needs overhaul.i personally hate the lily bell and lillies not being ogcd. (everything else i actually agree with.) the bell either needs serious work. like I consider basically broken. it lasts 2 short for the 3 min cooldown to be justified. the lillies almost never get used. and often times the things I actually want lillies for, its not good enough. let me pop them or triple the length it stays. seriously. but I whm main forever.
I have had mp issues ever since 6.0. Even at low levels, if I ABC I will run oom fairly often. Having to keep lucid dreaming on cd is not fun. Mp management is not fun imo. It just add unneeded stress, especially when the other 3 jobs don't have that issue.
and White Mage continues to suffer with 6.1 changes. less. but still suffering.
Just give Cleric Stance back to White Mage exclusively, let them crank DPS out if they can't be a pure healer. I don't care if I'm wrong, bring it back it was so much fun
I like stances in every game they exist, don't @ me.
@@AnaseSkyrider YOU GET IT
Me in MSQ Roulette as WHM: "Hope you mapped potions to your hotbars, cause I'm just spammin' the Holy!"