Some of you have pointed out that Exile Island is the one season I missed, agreed. Terry made it imperfect but it was close. All other seasons have 2 interruptions, therefore screwing up a non perfect pagonging or a last minute tribe swap ala All-Stars where the winner is from the other tribe.
@@OnceUponAnIsland ummmm it was original Kota, original Kota, flip to original Kota, original Kota then you are down to Bob. Basically a mash up of ones you did talk about with Bob (Chris), Randy (Penner), and Sugar (Cochran). Let alone you miss tocains.
@@roypalmer69 Tocantins had 2 interruptions and here is the Gabon bootlist showing how it wasn't a Pagonging based on the tribes going into the merge. 2 interruptions plus the final 3 is not all Kota or Fang. survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Survivor:_Gabon
@UC8iRRJ02STiWPHW_hv-s4rg ummmm who were the 2? Joe shouldn't count cause he is basically premerge. That would also discredit palua with Willard, Colby, and Janu. The problem with Gabon is you are looking at swapped tribes where as with Vanuatu and One World. Gabon is the EXACT SAME as Vanuatu literally (without counting Randy) if I said to you i watched a season where there was a tribe swap 3 people from the same original tribe went home at the beginning of the merge then the winner came from that tribe is both those seasons.
The way Boston Rob and Kim had the power to keep everyone in tact and hold the power until they eventually won is insane to me, Those were some pagong’s where I thought someone would try something at least.
That is exactly why I think that Boston Rob’s and Kim’s victory are two of the greatest wins in the history of the show! As a viewer it was like okay these two are obviously going to win if you don’t do anything and nobody ever does a thing to stop them! Those were two incredible performances!
@@justinrittenhouse3496 I couldn’t agree more, The difference between let’s say between Boston robs Pagonging and Coach’s was that Boston Rob made all the moves and no one did a thing as coach’s was more of a group effort and made coach’s game look more weak
@@andy_gamez_ Very true. Also Coach just completely fell apart at the Final Tribal Council and I think every just got sick of the honor, integrity attitude when in the game of Survivor, that just does not work. He also became very apologetic and used religion in his manipulation which turned a lot of people off. Don’t get me wrong I think that Coach is a good player and he did make some good moves, but there is a reason why he lost. Sophie is also smarter then some people think that she is.
@@justinrittenhouse3496 I think Rob is actually a bottom ten winner. And Kim's game is the most overrated. She's definitely better than Rob, but I wouldn't have her winning game in the top 10. She made a lot of strategic mistakes, but it didn't matter because she was up against one of the worst casts in Survivor history. Tony's WaW win was a million times better because he was playing against great competition and had excellent jury management.
Closest we've gotten to a Pagonging in modern Survivor is HHH, and even then there was 3 blindsides of people in the majority before the healers were fully picked off. It's just not gonna happen anymore. Players nowadays are too self-interested and are mostly big enough fans to not just let a steamroll happen and try to make to a move before the minority a fully picked off.
@@bencalebrod I would honestly say Worlds Apart since the no-collars except for Will who was aligned with the blue collar's were picked off after Kelly got idoled out at the merge. Shirin who was aligned with the no-collars was voted out right after and Mike who was relegated to the minority alliance when Jenn was still in the game was going to go home if he wasn't immune at any point but he was always immune from final 9 onward.
Eh, I love a good Pagonging every once in a while. You have to really appreciate the amount of self-discipline and strategic and physical skill it takes to utterly dominate another tribe (assuming it's not Fans vs Favorites). Of course, I don't like every Pagonging. It really depends on who the tribe doing it is. Even then, I respect the ones that manage to pull it off even if I don't like them.
I consider Redemption Island a pure Pagonging. Matt was voted out of their tribe, so he no longer was part of their tribe post merge. In my opinion, whoever comes back into the game from Redemption Island doesn't belong to either tribe. They are basically a free agent, so Boston Rob got rid of the free agent and then Pagonged the other tribe. So it was as pure as possible with a RI twist.
@@OnceUponAnIsland nah im gonna agree, matt wasn't really part of their tribe and had shown clear signs of aligning with the other side, that one counts as perfect imo
I actually used to think that it only counted as a pagonging when it was a “perfect” one as you say, pretty interesting to realize how much more frequent it was than i thought
People think Pagongings are bad because it they think it means that players aren't actually playing the game, which isn't necessarily true. A Pagonging means that the players in the power position have done everything they need to, both socially and strategically, to keep their power position.
Pagongings can be really entertaining at times, seeing the underdog go all the way to the end like in Vanuatu makes for great television. Similarly, when you have big characters like in Cook Islands and Heroes vs. Villains it can be enjoyable. When you see a one-man (or woman) show like in Borneo, Thailand, Palau, Redemption Island and One World though it can become a bit boring, but at least you can appreciate the winner for their dominance.
Although the pagonging is a predictable strategy, I find it very entertaining and very effective. The genius behind it cannot be denied! It provides a common enemy for every player so it makes sense for everyone to stay together even when in the long run it might not be the best idea for some players. Very few things bring people together like a common enemy.
This is why Marquesas was such an underrated season: because it was the first season to fail a Pagonging attempt. John Caroll of Rotu has all the power in the game at the Final 9: he had his alliance of four, plus Neleh and Pascal, and with that group of 6 it was clear Maraamu was screwed. But because of John’s own ego and cockiness, the 5 outsiders turned on the Rotu Four alliance and took them all out, making it the first season where the winner was sort of up in the air. It was also the first season where the final 2 was from two different tribes!
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The pseudo-pagonging from Panama was good for the show. Casaya was a much more interesting tribe anyway, and it made Terry's immunity run all the more impressive.
As much as it makes for a predictable watch, you can’t deny the strategic effectiveness of pagongings. I just hope the next season doesn’t have a pagonging.
Vanauatu is that much more poetic that Chris did physical honest work. A highway construction worker surviving a manocide to come out and win it what a legend.
I think it was David who said when Matt was voted out at Redemption Island after the merge "Genius is what that was". And it was certainly a genius move by Rob.
I respected David for acknowledging the awesome game Rob played during the FTC. Almost every Jury member was just ripping into Rob and the other two because they were butt hurt for “not being able to play the game”. Maybe if they didn’t purposely throw a challenge at the worst possible time they wouldn’t have gone on to be decimated by Rob and Ometepe. It was just hilarious how butt hurt they all were for getting destroyed by Rob.
Which seasons came close to a pagonging but the other tribe let someone slip away? For example, Nakum screwed up in Guatemala by letting Danni slip past and winning the season instead of voting her out and finishing the pagonging.
@@todaycuber9115 In the video? Have you looked at the boot order once the merge happens? Tandang, Kalabaw, Tandang, Tandang, Kalabaw, Kalabaw, Tandang. That is not a pagonging. The final 3 is 2 Tandangs and a Kalabaw or a Matsing and 2 Tandangs.
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The Redemption Island pagonging is my favorite just because of how helpless it was for the Zaps. There was literally nothing they could do to Rob's group, and watching them just kinda amusingly realizing how helpless they were was pretty funny.
I found it hilarious how mad they were at FTC. David and I think Steve being the only ones to congratulate them on playing great games. Anyone who throws a challenge like Zapatera did does not deserve to play an easy game. They dug themselves into a hole and then blamed Rob and Ometepe for destroying them even though it was partly Zapateras fault.
If it's a comeback pagonging then it's way more interesting. Cause it shows a united under force who managed to beat the odds, especially if the lead was by two or more people cause it basically means they can't afford to make a mistake so it's super tense.
We didn't have single Pagonging for 20 seasons, when in Survivor 44. The Tika 3 of Carson, Caroline and Yam yam, somehow navigated a 3 tribe merge. Where until the final 4 they didn't lose anyone, we almost had a three tribe pagong. I'll still count it since a Tika still won the season. Heidi making it to the end just made Yam yam win the game with no basically competition.
I mean, it makes sense. So long as you can get people to focus on the other tribe being the enemy instead of each other, your collective chances of victory go up, merger or no merger. Better to fight against six other people than against 13 or something.
I liked the moving block voting of Cambodia. Imagine trying to stay on top of things that season!!! Nobody even knew Jeremy ran the whole thing till he won 😂😂😂😂😂 perfectly done.
Tocantins' imperfect pagonging enhances the season for me because it is just SO fun to see Timbira implode on itself, it gives us the iconic dragonslayer, and Coach & Debbie at least ATTEMPT to get the numbers back on their side and take out the Jalapao 3 after the Tyson blindside (but they fail due to their poor treatment of Sierra and Erinn).
Yeah I think production has made it so pagonging would be almost impossible with survivor now. They saw the boring comments and thought let’s not have that happen again.
What started to really annoy me about Palau that so many people are nowadays saying how bad the Ulong tribe was, while the truth is that it was Koror being strong. But the weakness and Strength was mostly on strategic level and teamplay. Yes, Ulong screwed many times on decision making and instead of cooperation they almost negated each other sometimes. But it was Koror work ethic and leadership that truly shined and destroyed Ulong tribe in a way we never seen before. Another point. Not sure if something can be considered to be an entry to this list, if the 'destroyer' tribe sole survivor wins the whole show 😀Truly women ended up being their own worst enemy on that season :-D
Interestingly one of the two seasons where a starting tribe is wiped out earliest isn't mentioned here. On only two seasons has a starting tribe been wiped out with the last player going in 7th, Palau with Ulong and Cagayan with pre-swap Solana (Savaii was also wiped out at 7 but Ozzy came back).
The “fake merge” in Thailand is one of the biggest troll move this show has ever done and I like to think the producers copied Shinji Hashimoto’s fave after he “trolled” everyone with the reveal that the PC version of FFVII is coming to PS4 xD
So like I really love exact-words lies. But like. The trick to making exact words lies work is that your reveal of it has to highlight the things that shouldn't quite make sense. In Vanuatu, Jeff is like "Did I say anything that made you think you were merging?" And it's like yeah, Jeff. You DID say things that made them think they're merging. You gotta play it off more like "Oh, I see how you got the wrong idea from that, but I did say..." He should have played off the "Our merge went well" more like "Well, I'm glad it went well, that's exactly what we hoped for. That should mean that when we actually merge the tribes, it should be a pretty smooth transition." Then at the response be like "It sounds like I wasn't clear. I didn't give out new merch or a new name. And I DID say we were trying something new. We've done merges on every season. I didn't say you were merging. You're just sharing the beach." Like, the trick is to make the response not be "You son of a bitch" but "Awww, shit, that was clever!"
for me watching one world was brutal as kim is from my hometown and to see oneworld as my second season watch blew my mind at the time as seeing the men get voted out got predictable yet fun to see them get taken out one after another due.
By far my favourite Pagoning is the first Mens Vs. Women. Mostly because it's a fake out. You think the women will just steamroll the men but thankfully they choose to turn on each other so Chris is able to make it to the end and save a potentially boring season into one of my favoruites. The worst by far is the season of Boston Rob. His pure control over his tribe while impressive leaves the season super dull once the merge hits and I never once thought he could actually lose the season.
I had fun watching that season. Watching someone like Rob control his whole tribe perfectly is just amazing to watch. Like Boston Rob says it is a lot harder than it looks to control five other people and to make them all think they are going to the final three with him. Then when he started blinding people like Grant and Andrea it just made his game even more impressive. Rob made every single person on that tribe extremely comfortable that there was basically no fear of going home for any of them. Even though there was only six Ometepe and zero Zaps left. Phillip also just makes Survivor better lmao. Love him or hate him he was extremely entertaining.
i seem to love pagoings because i love seeing a survivor player playing a dominating game. But ofcourse other players must play the game and should not wait to be told who should they vote for
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one of the things that truly makes Palau the unique season that it is and stands today: a blowout Pagonging yet memorable season. If we use the Palau metrics shouldn’t Peal Islands be included as well? We lose the entire Morgan tribe while Drake loses only Burton pre-merge(r)
Gosh Thailand was such a garbage season and the fake merge screwing Shii Ann, the only likeable player of the entire season's cast, was the worst ever.
Eh, I think Jake and Erin were more likable than Shii Ann. Arguably Ken too. But yes, Chuay Gahn was unlikable. Shii Ann was dumb to immediately flip, though. Even if there's no fake merge, she has zero chance to win.
@@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong I just watched the season for the first time only like a month ago. I was always told to skip it so I always did. After watching the entire series then watching it, yes - it's worse than One World, worse than S39, etc.
Kat wasn't targeted because she was "strong in challenges." She was targeted because everyone was pissed at Kat for taking Kim and Alicia on the family reward instead of Tarzan and Christina. Kim didn't even want Kat to be voted out there.
What about these three seasons? Survivor: All-Stars. You could say there was a pagonging even though the tribes were originally split into three tribes. After the merge, the plan was to eliminate all the original Mogo-Mogo members. But then Shi-Ann won immunity and that forced the original Chapera members to vote out Alicia. But then Shi-Ann was voted out the next vote and then the Chapera members had to turn on each other. Survivor: Exile Island. You could say there was a pagonging even though the tribes were originally split into four tribes (for 2 days). Once the merge hit, the Casya members eliminated three of the remaining La Mina members except for Terry because he kept winning immunity. When he finally lost, he was voted out. Survivor: Tocantins. After the merge, the three original Jalapao members with the help of Erin eliminated all the original Timbira members, but then voted out Taj before Erin.
All-Stars had that last minute tribe swap that screws things up due to Amber switching and winning. Exile Island has a case for a non perfect. Tocantins has 2 interruptions which is not a pagonging.
I think the South Pacific Pagonging should count as a pure and perfect Pagonging, if only because it was impossible to vote for him, AND he was voted off immediately after. If even one more person had gone out before him, then maybe, but I still count it as pure and perfect, because they did eliminate all of them as soon as they could, only deviating when they had no choice.
So, does Tocantins count as a near-perfect Pagoning? After Joe was medevac, everyone voted out was from Timbira until Taj who got 4th place, and Erinn was voted out after.
You forgot All Stars, which was essentially a Pagonging but with the last boot being delayed a round due to an immunity win. Speaking of which, the common fan name for a sort of Pagonging but with a few breaks in between to eliminate outsiders within the majority is a Kucha-ing. Seasons with Kucha-ings: Australian Outback Africa Exile Island (technically a Pagonging with the last pick off delayed til Final 3 due to a ridiculous immunity run) China HHH (with the Healers)
@@OnceUponAnIsland Eh, I usually don't count Joe since he was Medavaced, not voted out. Same way Janu wasn't counted for Quitting. I get the reasoning, though.
I'm glad they swap tribes up when something like this happens now. It can be fun to watch for the first 2 weeks or so, but then it just becomes such an obvious snowball that it gets kind of lame. When one tribe is down 3-4 members against the other, you kind of know exactly how the challenges are gonna go. They have extra hands to make camp life much easier, and they can give some members of their tribe much needed breaks during the less important challenges. In the early seasons when they didn't give every contestant a plethora of medical checks and vitamins on a daily basis, sitting out your strongest during a reward challenge so they could carry in the immunity was a huge brain strat. Being able to save that energy for the more important challenge is lowkey unfair. It's not quite as prevalent anymore *because* of all the daily vitamins the players get to keep their energy up, but steamrolls still happen and I'm glad they swap it up now. It makes for a boring season usually.
@@Lsaldana92 I don't think minority pagongs are the same as a majority pagonging. Because it is only possible by the majority tribe turning on each other and self-destructing. Those seasons are a lot more chaotic and unpredictable (except through the edit) and are usually fun to watch. The reason why pagongings are usually boring is because the season gets too predictable and people are too afraid to make a move and not enough people play to win.
Vanuatu is my favorite season for this "Anti-Pagong" reason. Chris is the last man standing with the women determined to ensure one of their own wins, and they easily have the majority. But he held on, truly earning the title of sole survivor.
I don't mind pagongings. The person at the top of the hierarchy of the dominant tribe is doing super work to make it happen. This doesn't get enough credit and sappy audiences over-rate unsuccessful underdogs.
I get it was the first season and strategy trends had not really been established yet in Survivor, but my god do the Pagong tribe come off as idiots here. 3 of your own people go down to the same 4 "mysterious" votes and you think "there might be an alliance but IDK" are you serious?
@@OnceUponAnIsland Tagi played it well not denying that and it was a move ahead of its time, so I give them some leeway. Still, when 4 votes systematically target your tribe and even Jeff is openly asking Sue about a Tagi alliance you'd think at the least it would raise some alarms to action or something.
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Some of you have pointed out that Exile Island is the one season I missed, agreed. Terry made it imperfect but it was close. All other seasons have 2 interruptions, therefore screwing up a non perfect pagonging or a last minute tribe swap ala All-Stars where the winner is from the other tribe.
What about Gabon?
@@roypalmer69 It isn't even close. Fang, Fang, Fang, Kota, Kota, Fang.
@@OnceUponAnIsland ummmm it was original Kota, original Kota, flip to original Kota, original Kota then you are down to Bob. Basically a mash up of ones you did talk about with Bob (Chris), Randy (Penner), and Sugar (Cochran). Let alone you miss tocains.
@@roypalmer69 Tocantins had 2 interruptions and here is the Gabon bootlist showing how it wasn't a Pagonging based on the tribes going into the merge. 2 interruptions plus the final 3 is not all Kota or Fang. survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Survivor:_Gabon
@UC8iRRJ02STiWPHW_hv-s4rg ummmm who were the 2? Joe shouldn't count cause he is basically premerge. That would also discredit palua with Willard, Colby, and Janu. The problem with Gabon is you are looking at swapped tribes where as with Vanuatu and One World. Gabon is the EXACT SAME as Vanuatu literally (without counting Randy) if I said to you i watched a season where there was a tribe swap 3 people from the same original tribe went home at the beginning of the merge then the winner came from that tribe is both those seasons.
The way Boston Rob and Kim had the power to keep everyone in tact and hold the power until they eventually won is insane to me, Those were some pagong’s where I thought someone would try something at least.
That is exactly why I think that Boston Rob’s and Kim’s victory are two of the greatest wins in the history of the show! As a viewer it was like okay these two are obviously going to win if you don’t do anything and nobody ever does a thing to stop them! Those were two incredible performances!
@@justinrittenhouse3496 I couldn’t agree more, The difference between let’s say between Boston robs Pagonging and Coach’s was that Boston Rob made all the moves and no one did a thing as coach’s was more of a group effort and made coach’s game look more weak
@@andy_gamez_ Very true. Also Coach just completely fell apart at the Final Tribal Council and I think every just got sick of the honor, integrity attitude when in the game of Survivor, that just does not work. He also became very apologetic and used religion in his manipulation which turned a lot of people off. Don’t get me wrong I think that Coach is a good player and he did make some good moves, but there is a reason why he lost. Sophie is also smarter then some people think that she is.
@@justinrittenhouse3496 I think Rob is actually a bottom ten winner. And Kim's game is the most overrated. She's definitely better than Rob, but I wouldn't have her winning game in the top 10. She made a lot of strategic mistakes, but it didn't matter because she was up against one of the worst casts in Survivor history. Tony's WaW win was a million times better because he was playing against great competition and had excellent jury management.
@@justinrittenhouse3496 I had never realized how smart Sophie was until I saw her as a guest Know-It-All. She's very charismatic, too.
Pagongings are terrible as a viewer but if I ever get to play survivor I would want to do the pagonging
Same
Closest we've gotten to a Pagonging in modern Survivor is HHH, and even then there was 3 blindsides of people in the majority before the healers were fully picked off.
It's just not gonna happen anymore. Players nowadays are too self-interested and are mostly big enough fans to not just let a steamroll happen and try to make to a move before the minority a fully picked off.
Not if u know ur on the bottom u won't anymore
@@bencalebrod Also players are smarter now and less likely to settle for being 5th or 6th in an alliance than they were back then
@@bencalebrod I would honestly say Worlds Apart since the no-collars except for Will who was aligned with the blue collar's were picked off after Kelly got idoled out at the merge. Shirin who was aligned with the no-collars was voted out right after and Mike who was relegated to the minority alliance when Jenn was still in the game was going to go home if he wasn't immune at any point but he was always immune from final 9 onward.
Eh, I love a good Pagonging every once in a while. You have to really appreciate the amount of self-discipline and strategic and physical skill it takes to utterly dominate another tribe (assuming it's not Fans vs Favorites). Of course, I don't like every Pagonging. It really depends on who the tribe doing it is. Even then, I respect the ones that manage to pull it off even if I don't like them.
"No reason, except strategy...". He hit the nail on the head, but with a chainsaw.
I consider Redemption Island a pure Pagonging. Matt was voted out of their tribe, so he no longer was part of their tribe post merge. In my opinion, whoever comes back into the game from Redemption Island doesn't belong to either tribe. They are basically a free agent, so Boston Rob got rid of the free agent and then Pagonged the other tribe. So it was as pure as possible with a RI twist.
It was so so close!
@@OnceUponAnIsland nah im gonna agree, matt wasn't really part of their tribe and had shown clear signs of aligning with the other side, that one counts as perfect imo
I actually used to think that it only counted as a pagonging when it was a “perfect” one as you say, pretty interesting to realize how much more frequent it was than i thought
If I talked about every non-perfect pagonging, I would have been here all day long.
@@OnceUponAnIsland oh im sure, i just wasnt aware that my definition of the term was inaccurate
People think Pagongings are bad because it they think it means that players aren't actually playing the game, which isn't necessarily true.
A Pagonging means that the players in the power position have done everything they need to, both socially and strategically, to keep their power position.
Pagongings can be really entertaining at times, seeing the underdog go all the way to the end like in Vanuatu makes for great television. Similarly, when you have big characters like in Cook Islands and Heroes vs. Villains it can be enjoyable.
When you see a one-man (or woman) show like in Borneo, Thailand, Palau, Redemption Island and One World though it can become a bit boring, but at least you can appreciate the winner for their dominance.
Although the pagonging is a predictable strategy, I find it very entertaining and very effective. The genius behind it cannot be denied! It provides a common enemy for every player so it makes sense for everyone to stay together even when in the long run it might not be the best idea for some players. Very few things bring people together like a common enemy.
This is why Marquesas was such an underrated season: because it was the first season to fail a Pagonging attempt.
John Caroll of Rotu has all the power in the game at the Final 9: he had his alliance of four, plus Neleh and Pascal, and with that group of 6 it was clear Maraamu was screwed. But because of John’s own ego and cockiness, the 5 outsiders turned on the Rotu Four alliance and took them all out, making it the first season where the winner was sort of up in the air. It was also the first season where the final 2 was from two different tribes!
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The pseudo-pagonging from Panama was good for the show. Casaya was a much more interesting tribe anyway, and it made Terry's immunity run all the more impressive.
As much as it makes for a predictable watch, you can’t deny the strategic effectiveness of pagongings. I just hope the next season doesn’t have a pagonging.
I would never want to be on the tribe being pagonged.
You got your wish.
Vanauatu is that much more poetic that Chris did physical honest work. A highway construction worker surviving a manocide to come out and win it what a legend.
Not to mention he was almost voted out first
I think it was David who said when Matt was voted out at Redemption Island after the merge "Genius is what that was". And it was certainly a genius move by Rob.
I respected David for acknowledging the awesome game Rob played during the FTC. Almost every Jury member was just ripping into Rob and the other two because they were butt hurt for “not being able to play the game”. Maybe if they didn’t purposely throw a challenge at the worst possible time they wouldn’t have gone on to be decimated by Rob and Ometepe. It was just hilarious how butt hurt they all were for getting destroyed by Rob.
Merger is a real word, and was especially big in the 90's in businesses when Pagers were still a thing.
Merge is also a real word but it morphed into a noun through Survivor and other similar games
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Not any more lol
Multiple Idols and advantages make the game so unstable that most people form smaller alliances. It's almost impossible to do a pangonging now.
You should do a video explaining the difference between Pagongings and Ulongings
Pagongings is when the tribe gets eliminated in the post-merge in a row and an Ulonging is the same thing but in the pre-merge. That's it.
Which seasons came close to a pagonging but the other tribe let someone slip away? For example, Nakum screwed up in Guatemala by letting Danni slip past and winning the season instead of voting her out and finishing the pagonging.
The majority 7 in the Amazon letting Butch make it to F4, Lil and Darrah in PI Chris in Vanuatu the Greatest form Elizabeth and Roger in Australia
Do me a favor- explain how the HELL Phillipines ain't up here
@@todaycuber9115 In the video? Have you looked at the boot order once the merge happens? Tandang, Kalabaw, Tandang, Tandang, Kalabaw, Kalabaw, Tandang. That is not a pagonging. The final 3 is 2 Tandangs and a Kalabaw or a Matsing and 2 Tandangs.
Vanuatu comes to mind.
Yes, I also thought Philippines should have been mentioned as well, but then I looked at what happened and realized, nope, that’s not a pagonging
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The Redemption Island pagonging is my favorite just because of how helpless it was for the Zaps. There was literally nothing they could do to Rob's group, and watching them just kinda amusingly realizing how helpless they were was pretty funny.
I found it hilarious how mad they were at FTC. David and I think Steve being the only ones to congratulate them on playing great games. Anyone who throws a challenge like Zapatera did does not deserve to play an easy game. They dug themselves into a hole and then blamed Rob and Ometepe for destroying them even though it was partly Zapateras fault.
If it's a comeback pagonging then it's way more interesting. Cause it shows a united under force who managed to beat the odds, especially if the lead was by two or more people cause it basically means they can't afford to make a mistake so it's super tense.
We didn't have single Pagonging for 20 seasons, when in Survivor 44. The Tika 3 of Carson, Caroline and Yam yam, somehow navigated a 3 tribe merge. Where until the final 4 they didn't lose anyone, we almost had a three tribe pagong. I'll still count it since a Tika still won the season. Heidi making it to the end just made Yam yam win the game with no basically competition.
I mean, it makes sense. So long as you can get people to focus on the other tribe being the enemy instead of each other, your collective chances of victory go up, merger or no merger. Better to fight against six other people than against 13 or something.
Nothing stops me from watching a season of Survivor faster then the words “Pagonging” and “All ___ Alliance”
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I liked the moving block voting of Cambodia. Imagine trying to stay on top of things that season!!! Nobody even knew Jeremy ran the whole thing till he won 😂😂😂😂😂 perfectly done.
Tocantins' imperfect pagonging enhances the season for me because it is just SO fun to see Timbira implode on itself, it gives us the iconic dragonslayer, and Coach & Debbie at least ATTEMPT to get the numbers back on their side and take out the Jalapao 3 after the Tyson blindside (but they fail due to their poor treatment of Sierra and Erinn).
Yeah I think production has made it so pagonging would be almost impossible with survivor now. They saw the boring comments and thought let’s not have that happen again.
It's fun to see i have alot of videos to watch now that i'm back from vacation ;) Though i should sleep first lol
What started to really annoy me about Palau that so many people are nowadays saying how bad the Ulong tribe was, while the truth is that it was Koror being strong. But the weakness and Strength was mostly on strategic level and teamplay.
Yes, Ulong screwed many times on decision making and instead of cooperation they almost negated each other sometimes.
But it was Koror work ethic and leadership that truly shined and destroyed Ulong tribe in a way we never seen before.
Another point. Not sure if something can be considered to be an entry to this list, if the 'destroyer' tribe sole survivor wins the whole show 😀Truly women ended up being their own worst enemy on that season :-D
Also Shii-Ann's immunity win disrupted a pagonging 👑
Interestingly one of the two seasons where a starting tribe is wiped out earliest isn't mentioned here. On only two seasons has a starting tribe been wiped out with the last player going in 7th, Palau with Ulong and Cagayan with pre-swap Solana (Savaii was also wiped out at 7 but Ozzy came back).
I love the tribes that pagong the other tribe , I recpect the tribe decimating another tribe and seeing the other tribe fall over like dominoes
The “fake merge” in Thailand is one of the biggest troll move this show has ever done and I like to think the producers copied Shinji Hashimoto’s fave after he “trolled” everyone with the reveal that the PC version of FFVII is coming to PS4 xD
It’s cute how Rob is known as Boston Rob even when there are no other Bobs playing. 😂😂
There was a Rob on his first and second season, so the nickname was created.
I love your videos. Keep them coming! 😁
I don’t think Pagongings are fun or entertaining to watch. Does anyone else agree?
They really drag down a season for me.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Exactly. Watching people predictably getting picked off one by one is so boring to watch. ❤️
23:31 Wait, Kim had options? I didn't even notice, she should have said something!
6:22 Clay with his mouth wide open getting slapped in the face by Ted
So like I really love exact-words lies. But like. The trick to making exact words lies work is that your reveal of it has to highlight the things that shouldn't quite make sense. In Vanuatu, Jeff is like "Did I say anything that made you think you were merging?"
And it's like yeah, Jeff. You DID say things that made them think they're merging. You gotta play it off more like "Oh, I see how you got the wrong idea from that, but I did say..."
He should have played off the "Our merge went well" more like
"Well, I'm glad it went well, that's exactly what we hoped for. That should mean that when we actually merge the tribes, it should be a pretty smooth transition."
Then at the response be like
"It sounds like I wasn't clear. I didn't give out new merch or a new name. And I DID say we were trying something new. We've done merges on every season. I didn't say you were merging. You're just sharing the beach."
Like, the trick is to make the response not be "You son of a bitch" but "Awww, shit, that was clever!"
for me watching one world was brutal as kim is from my hometown and to see oneworld as my second season watch blew my mind at the time as seeing the men get voted out got predictable yet fun to see them get taken out one after another due.
By far my favourite Pagoning is the first Mens Vs. Women. Mostly because it's a fake out. You think the women will just steamroll the men but thankfully they choose to turn on each other so Chris is able to make it to the end and save a potentially boring season into one of my favoruites.
The worst by far is the season of Boston Rob. His pure control over his tribe while impressive leaves the season super dull once the merge hits and I never once thought he could actually lose the season.
I had fun watching that season. Watching someone like Rob control his whole tribe perfectly is just amazing to watch. Like Boston Rob says it is a lot harder than it looks to control five other people and to make them all think they are going to the final three with him. Then when he started blinding people like Grant and Andrea it just made his game even more impressive. Rob made every single person on that tribe extremely comfortable that there was basically no fear of going home for any of them. Even though there was only six Ometepe and zero Zaps left. Phillip also just makes Survivor better lmao. Love him or hate him he was extremely entertaining.
6:09 Lol that is when she knew she messed up
i seem to love pagoings because i love seeing a survivor player playing a dominating game. But ofcourse other players must play the game and should not wait to be told who should they vote for
The Matsing tribe in Philippines was so close to getting to this point
They almost Ulonged themselves!
“He’s no mike Tyson … he’s Brett “ 15:21
At some point I'm going to find a way to afford the $1 or $5 or whatever it is a month for your patreon lol I have soooooo many good Survivor/BB video ideas that I haven't seen the other channels do.
one of the things that truly makes Palau the unique season that it is and stands today: a blowout Pagonging yet memorable season. If we use the Palau metrics shouldn’t Peal Islands be included as well? We lose the entire Morgan tribe while Drake loses only Burton pre-merge(r)
Once the merge hits it goes Morgan - Morgan - Drake - Morgan - Drake - Drake - Morgan.
This is one of the reasons I really don't like Palau. It's just too much. Plus, I disliked most of the cast.
If international versions had any examples, the All-Stars season of Australian Survivor had a Pagonging of the minority alliance post-merge
Am I the only one who strongly suspects this guy has never heard the word "merger" outside of this show?
I have, the use of merger in Survivor is weird when over the course of 40 seasons it has changed to merge and not gone back.
Gosh Thailand was such a garbage season and the fake merge screwing Shii Ann, the only likeable player of the entire season's cast, was the worst ever.
Eh, I think Jake and Erin were more likable than Shii Ann. Arguably Ken too. But yes, Chuay Gahn was unlikable. Shii Ann was dumb to immediately flip, though. Even if there's no fake merge, she has zero chance to win.
Interesting how she was the only player from that season to return for All Stars and in general
Man I wish Thailand got more love it ain't that bad. The second half of the season is a slog though.
@@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong I just watched the season for the first time only like a month ago. I was always told to skip it so I always did. After watching the entire series then watching it, yes - it's worse than One World, worse than S39, etc.
Yes, I was always told to skip that season as well, but then I got curious and I was like, wow, this is awful!
20:40 I relate to that intensely
I won't say pagonings are always boring, however, they do nearly destroy the watchablility of a season.
Kat wasn't targeted because she was "strong in challenges." She was targeted because everyone was pissed at Kat for taking Kim and Alicia on the family reward instead of Tarzan and Christina. Kim didn't even want Kat to be voted out there.
Bro the heroes should have given to idk Sandra the girl that had her alliance voted out and on the outside like I was so pissed
What about these three seasons?
Survivor: All-Stars. You could say there was a pagonging even though the tribes were originally split into three tribes. After the merge, the plan was to eliminate all the original Mogo-Mogo members. But then Shi-Ann won immunity and that forced the original Chapera members to vote out Alicia. But then Shi-Ann was voted out the next vote and then the Chapera members had to turn on each other.
Survivor: Exile Island. You could say there was a pagonging even though the tribes were originally split into four tribes (for 2 days). Once the merge hit, the Casya members eliminated three of the remaining La Mina members except for Terry because he kept winning immunity. When he finally lost, he was voted out.
Survivor: Tocantins. After the merge, the three original Jalapao members with the help of Erin eliminated all the original Timbira members, but then voted out Taj before Erin.
All-Stars had that last minute tribe swap that screws things up due to Amber switching and winning.
Exile Island has a case for a non perfect.
Tocantins has 2 interruptions which is not a pagonging.
I forgot about that stupid switch in All Stars. What were the two interruptions for Tocantins?
@@alexpoage1078 Joe and Taj
I didn't think Joe counted because he was medically evacuated and he wasn't on the jury
@@alexpoage1078 The jury doesn't matter, pagongings begin at the merge.
11:04 You made an error here, Cook Islands is Season 13, 3 seasons after Palau
Palau didn't have a Pagonging, it had an Ulonging.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I see, that makes sense, thanks for clarifying
2023: Gervas is now 90% sure there was a Tagi alliance.
I think the South Pacific Pagonging should count as a pure and perfect Pagonging, if only because it was impossible to vote for him, AND he was voted off immediately after. If even one more person had gone out before him, then maybe, but I still count it as pure and perfect, because they did eliminate all of them as soon as they could, only deviating when they had no choice.
No offense, but who roots for the team doing the pagonging
Psychopaths
I admire them, and it's kinda fun to see the other team all go one bye one like dominos falling over lol
Fans of Cook Island. Top5 season lol
There's nothing wrong with rooting for your favorite players to pagong their opponents, especially if they earned their majority.
@@clam379 nah its way better when the minority does the pagonging. I.e Cook islands and Samoa
So, does Tocantins count as a near-perfect Pagoning? After Joe was medevac, everyone voted out was from Timbira until Taj who got 4th place, and Erinn was voted out after.
Joe and Taj made it off by 2 so it missed this list. Near perfect is only being off by 1.
Pretty surprised you didnt mention All Stars as Chapera kind of just dominated the entire game
It gets weird since they had that last minute tribe swap before the merge that messes it up further since Amber swapped tribes and then won the game.
You forgot All Stars, which was essentially a Pagonging but with the last boot being delayed a round due to an immunity win.
Speaking of which, the common fan name for a sort of Pagonging but with a few breaks in between to eliminate outsiders within the majority is a Kucha-ing. Seasons with Kucha-ings:
Australian Outback
Africa
Exile Island (technically a Pagonging with the last pick off delayed til Final 3 due to a ridiculous immunity run)
China
HHH (with the Healers)
All-Stars wasn't perfect, but it was close depending on your definition.
I've never heard "Kucha-ing" before.
Legit question: why does Galu count as a pagonging but Timbira does not?
Because Joe and Taj were voted out before the Timbira was voted out. I only looked at perfect pagongings and those that had one interruption.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Eh, I usually don't count Joe since he was Medavaced, not voted out. Same way Janu wasn't counted for Quitting. I get the reasoning, though.
I'm glad they swap tribes up when something like this happens now. It can be fun to watch for the first 2 weeks or so, but then it just becomes such an obvious snowball that it gets kind of lame. When one tribe is down 3-4 members against the other, you kind of know exactly how the challenges are gonna go. They have extra hands to make camp life much easier, and they can give some members of their tribe much needed breaks during the less important challenges. In the early seasons when they didn't give every contestant a plethora of medical checks and vitamins on a daily basis, sitting out your strongest during a reward challenge so they could carry in the immunity was a huge brain strat. Being able to save that energy for the more important challenge is lowkey unfair. It's not quite as prevalent anymore *because* of all the daily vitamins the players get to keep their energy up, but steamrolls still happen and I'm glad they swap it up now. It makes for a boring season usually.
If I were on the majority tribe, I would try really hard to ruin a Pagonging and take out threats instead.
That is how Samoa ended up in this list
@@Lsaldana92 I don't think minority pagongs are the same as a majority pagonging. Because it is only possible by the majority tribe turning on each other and self-destructing. Those seasons are a lot more chaotic and unpredictable (except through the edit) and are usually fun to watch. The reason why pagongings are usually boring is because the season gets too predictable and people are too afraid to make a move and not enough people play to win.
You forgot survivor tocantins.. almost perfect Pongoning as well..
It had 2 interruptions
I dont mind it expectly if the team I like is in the numbers. Sometimes it can get boring but I have a good time either way
But does it include the ulong tribe (ulonging)
No, Pagonging is during the merge, Ulonging is pre-merge
Vanuatu was a pagonging of the men and then it was a reverse where the women were picked off instead of the men
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How are seasons 2 and 3 not Pagongings?
Both had interruptions.
Wb Naviti Strong in Ghost Island?
What about it?
What about All Stars?
It isn't a perfect pagonging, but it is close.
What about Australian Outback?
The Jerri and Amber vote offs stopped it from being a pagonging.
@@OnceUponAnIsland I would still count that, but otherwise great video!
A Pagoning is cool. And Ulonging is NOT.
basically MANIFEST DESTINY 😎
The most entertaining pagonging is samoa for sure
Vanuatu is my favorite season for this "Anti-Pagong" reason. Chris is the last man standing with the women determined to ensure one of their own wins, and they easily have the majority. But he held on, truly earning the title of sole survivor.
You forgot about Panama!
I don't mind pagongings. The person at the top of the hierarchy of the dominant tribe is doing super work to make it happen. This doesn't get enough credit and sappy audiences over-rate unsuccessful underdogs.
I think if Vanuatu is a pagonging so is Guatemala
To Pagong or not to Pagong...
That is the question...
( Well, it's better TO Pagong the other tribe )
Huh i thought more people whold watch it faster
It's a bit unpredictable.
:-)
I get it was the first season and strategy trends had not really been established yet in Survivor, but my god do the Pagong tribe come off as idiots here. 3 of your own people go down to the same 4 "mysterious" votes and you think "there might be an alliance but IDK" are you serious?
Pagong was anti alliance, so they never seriously considered Tagi having one especially since the Tagi 4 were tight lipped about it.
@@OnceUponAnIsland Tagi played it well not denying that and it was a move ahead of its time, so I give them some leeway.
Still, when 4 votes systematically target your tribe and even Jeff is openly asking Sue about a Tagi alliance you'd think at the least it would raise some alarms to action or something.
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