The best speaker you probably haven't heard of. With Purifi & Satori goodness!
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
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I think this is the best speaker I've seen measured that didn't use DSP
Hales Revelation 3. Sadly unavailable now.
Many thanks to the owner of these speakers for loaning them to Erin for this test, and for driving 10 hours from Kansas to pick them up!
@Erin's Audio Corner
👍 Just for Search Engine function alone, you might want to include the manufacturer's name and model number of the speakers in the title of the video, or at least in the description.
Oh man, someone made the exact speaker I wanted to DIY. That's pretty exciting, cause these look awesome
Thanks for taking the time to review this speaker Erin, $10 donated via PP.
Wow! Thank you!
Impressive, seems well worth the price actually
Excellent review Erin, thank you.
Yess! Thank you! I've eagerly been awaiting this speaker review =)
YG Acoustics have aluminum ridges CNC machined into the cabinet to get rid of all resonances so well they act as good as an open baffle in a cabinet that is sealed. Another good company at this is Rockport Technologies and have a box built in a box.
Oh I’ve been waiting for your review of March’s Sointuva. I remember seeing him announce it on ASR a while ago, gorgeous looks and sound. Would love to see a DSP version of this from March
Brilliant choices. Safori and Purifi always impress
it the best little bookshelf I have ever seen. very nice drivers
Great job!! Thank you. Maybe my bad but no where I see how amazing it sounds, data being one side of the story. Tks.
2:48 bitumen is asphalt, very heavy and cheap and has good vibration damping.
great choice for review! thank you
Love the tutorial aspect of your analysis with your cursor hoovering on the focus area. Learning more each video.
Didnt know your Amazon affiliate can be used with stuff off topic. You should emphasize and remind us more often. Does the link work with Prime subscribers?
I like the tech and look of those speakers. Would love to compare them to the ATC SCM 19v2 I have, still my reference stand mounts.
Unrivaled passive performance, super impressive.
Woo, I'm from Australia and yep never heard of it. Would make a great DIY project if you can afford it, but could use more info on the crossover
Just found this brand . Really great one.
My sister and I were talking today about the time we attended a Phil Collins concert many, many years ago and there you are wearing a tshirt on the same day
I’d love to see him touring with Genesis but apparently his health is really bad and I don’t think I’ll ever get that chance again. :/
@@ErinsAudioCorner I agree :/
My nephew and I saw them on their recent Chicago tour (actually went to both concerts). He did the entire concert sitting and walked on and off stage with a cane. It was a really good concert and he still sings well, but a little thin. To be expected based on health and age. I enjoyed it😀
Erin-great review of a very interesting speaker. “Bitumen” is a synonym for asphalt and is pronounced “BITCH-you-min.” (I know this from my days working for a roofing consultant).
Nice testing and explanations!
Thanks!
ProAc uses the same material for internal damping of it's cabinets.
Outstanding review (as always) of what looks like a fantastic speaker, though I'm still surprised every time I see that Satori WG tweeter - I don't think anyone else sells a naked Be dome, for good reason. They really need a grille on it. If SB doesn't do it I hope Alan considers doing something like TAD does on their Be concentric drivers (grille over the whole thing with a scrim behind it). One aspect of the performance you touched on briefly that especially impressed me is the vertical directivity - what hole there is points down to the floor! Moreover, the response above axis looks good enough to easily pass the sit-stand tonality test if you place them at seated ear level (most stands are too short, but another pet peeve for another day...).. That's just exceptional control of the forward lobe.
Thanks, Jay! And I 100% agree.
Why does the tweeter need a grille?
@@tetraktys6540 Beryllium is brittle and very fragile, and the dust is highly toxic if inhaled.
@@hideopalescent Wrong! Beryllium tweeters are only toxic in the raw material, and during the manufacturing process.
Once the speaker is manufactured the Beryllium tweeter doesn't give off any toxins into the air 👍🏾
If a Beryllium tweeter has a grill cover it's simply a aesthetic or performance choice by the speaker designer/manufacturer 👌🏾
@@hideopalescent You're not going to get any dust generated by the tweeter dome unless you take sandpaper to it and snort the dust. And even then, you'd be hard-pressed to get enough exposure for any serious issues. It's a problem during manufacturing with occupational exposure, yes. For the end-user, not so much.
I'm very curious how these would compare to the Buchardt A500 purifi speakers.
Nice speaker & review. Is there a slope rate you follow to analyse the estimated in room response ? Or do you just try to find the tendancy and then see what is popping up ? (Or down :) )
I am a fan of passive radiators.
How does this compare to the Philharmonic Audio BMR?
Sold out!
They’re custom made, I believe. I think I saw the site says a 4 week delivery time. I didn’t ask the guy who I borrowed them from how long it took to receive them.
Erin, how well does it produce kick drums and explosions etc? I note you remark on that in some other reviews and for me the instantaneous response on some sounds is a "problem point" or struggle.
I'm actually looking at these for myself and would find a few extra independent remarks valuable.
I know this is late and you probably won’t see this Erin, but do you remember your impressions of the soundstage and imaging of these? Looking to upgrade my LS50 Metas, and need something that will perform at louder volumes without as much distortions and compression. I’m addicted to Kef’s imaging and deep soundstage, and wondering if these would perform similarly in that regard.
I bet these would sound awesome as a tower with active electronics. Easily go down to 20htz with the hypex fusion amps designed by the same guy who designed the woofer in these.
How would you rank these vs the perlisten 4b?
Assuming your using eq and subwoofer handles below 80hz. Is smaller speaker like this that uses high end drivers better or would you choose JTR ht210? Unfortunately because Im mostly doing similar speakers DIY I can't really listen to them before buying but Im curious what is ultimate high end in terms of sound quality at 96db if we include subwoofer
I'd be curious to see how they compare to Dynaudio Special Forty
Would LOVE to see you measure a Salk BePure2 for comparison!
I'd be willing to but would need them to loan me a set for review.
Thanks for the reviews always.
Would you mind if I ask you to upload both normalized and not normalized of Contour Plots when you post a review on your website?
I used to but I stopped recently. Server space costs money and since I've started adding Group Delay and Step Response, I swapped them out. The non-normalized is found in the globe plots. It's the same data, just presented circularly.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Got it.
That’s kinda narrow dispersion? How’s the soundstage on those ?
I own a pair of these. Best sounding speakers I've heard.
Cool! What do you like about them? Just curious.
@@ErinsAudioCorner They go deeper than the much larger floor standers they replaced, exhibit no noticeable bass boomey frequencies in my room, are dead silent (no quiet hiss without music playing), and just feel completely at ease no matter what is thrown at them in my opinion.
I'd spent a long time trying different speakers, and the ones I liked most in the past always made something specific stand out in a piece of music that I really liked, usually it would be an instrument that would get my attention. But these speakers nothing stands out within music, everything just sounds awesome and I feel like I can just listen to music more and not focus on what the speakers are accentuating.
@@mutsukabure Hi, I'm wondering after your time with the speakers if you could offer a perspective on how they do in action movies and music with very decisive dynamic needs like kick drums. Do you get that visceral 'kick' from them and a sense of the real fullness in the notes? Do they have the dynamic range to play a movie at reference (I'm assuming you have decent amplification that isn't the limiting factor)?
I would be using a sub with them (I'm considering them now on my shortlist) and listen at about 3m.
Fun fact: the fellow that designed these uses Mundorf AMT's in his home speakers.. (mundorf ftw)
With the PR right behind the woofer. Are there any leak of midrange through the PR? If not, what's done in the cabinet to prevent that?
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Hey Erin, thanks for the great review! How do these compare to the Selah Purezzas?
Quite different, especially in the top octave. The Selah were much wider, IIRC. "out of the box", though, I think I'd prefer these overall. With EQ, I'd possibly lean toward the Purezza.
@@ErinsAudioCorner I've been leaning toward Purifi based speakers lately but they're all pretty pricey for me. Though I could probably diy a pair of Purezzas for under $2k. Thanks so much for your help. Your objective/subjective style of review and wealth of information is invaluable and it makes you one of the absolute best audio channels anywhere. Cheers!
Great review. How do these compare to the BMRs? Worth the price differential?
I can't really say, to be honest. Especially now that the BMR has changed from what I reviewed.
@@ErinsAudioCorner thanks for responding. I'm stuck on decing on my next speak between these and the R3 or going down the diy route with the CSS 1TDX or BMRs. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
Love this design. And yes, you could easily build this at well below half their cost
The retail price of all components minus the enclosure, crossover and excluding tax shipping is around $2435:
Item Price Count Total
Satori TW29BNWG-4 Waveguide Tweeter $494.70 2 $989.40
"Purifi Audio PTT6.5PR 6.5"" Passive Radiator" $177.00 4 $708.00
"Purifi Audio PTT6.5X04-NFA-01 6.5"" Woofer - 4 ohm" $369.00 2 $738.00
$2,435.40
Manufacturer is not making much money on these. You can do much cheaper only if you use cheaper tweeter and without the passive radiators which will be a completely different speaker.
@@f1shb0n3d not to mention the 1.6kg of copper inductor per speaker
I doubt enough of these are made at a time to bring the cost down
@@f1shb0n3d Actually, the ratio of markup is super-low. I don't know how they make any money. Maybe they get a great discount on the drivers? Most of the time, driver quantity discounts aren't that great.
This or the Perlisten bookshelf?
How are they with low level listening compared to more efficient speakers in the same price bracket?
To be completely honest, I didn't even test them at lower volume. I was listening at about 80dB at 3 meters on average but not much below that.
@@ErinsAudioCorner That’s the fun range for me.
what is the crossover point on these?
What’s the d. B.
Only best speakers here. 😁
What is the lowest you think they satori can be crossed over?
Depends Heavily on your slope and intended output requirements, but 4th order LR you can get away with about 1400hz at pretty impressive levels. I'm typically ending up at 1700-1900 for most of my designs :)
So, what do we need, besides a miracle?
Tar sheets. Lots of tar sheets.
4k is a lot of money for that little speaker.
Total up the price of the raw components. The tweeter alone is $1000/pair from Madisound. Dealer price isn't much better (I know).
Not it's not. This thing is quite underpriced for what it is.
@@ErinsAudioCorner That's good to know, thank you for the info and the review.
Where is the kit?
@@ChannelBri www.marchaudio.com/product/sointuva-wg-speaker/
It meauseres good. But is it great sounding?
Yes.
Erin how do you compare them to Dutch Dutch or Ki3
I’d take the DD8c.
Kii 3 is highly superior to the D&D from my knowledge
@@cowboytonydee hear them , I did both are outstanding but my money is on DD if I had a choice
@@anandshah71 Yep forgetting measurements most people prefer the sound of the D&D compared to the Kii3!
Does the Be tweeter get fatiguing?
No. Not at all. I use Scanspeak Be tweeters in my car.
Bit-tu-men or bit-chu-men is how it's said afaik
Are the surrounds rotted out or is that the actual shape of them?
And the company name is? ?
March Audio
How is this nearfield if close to a back wall?
So there is nothing better at 4 thousand $?
Passive, in this size? Not that I'm aware of.
Go Aussie oi oi oi 😉
Holy Moly! There is at least $2k in just drivers in these speakers per pair! DIY community will cringe and yell - they match 97dB tweeter with 82dB woofer! WTF? Unforgiveable sin
For $4,000 we could buy 4 eminence woofers 15 inch per side, one Alnico SEAS midrange 850$ and still have $350 for tweeter of your own choice. Mount it all on open baffles. But hey, if you think 96dB with such cone area will sound more distorted vs 6.5 inch with 83dB...... go ahead ;)
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What a quick draw
@Colby laro that's what she said!!!!
@@ErinsAudioCorner Lol
@@ErinsAudioCorner lol...I actually lol.
Damn $4,000 after taxes get applied. Waaaaay to rich for the vast majority of people out there.
Was this a paid review? Or did you actually pay full price for these speakers?
First off: I never get paid for any reviews. Nor do I get free product for review.
These were loaned from the person who purchased them. The owner actually drove 10 hours from Kansas and picked them up from me yesterday because he was nervous about having them shipped back. 👍
Great to hear! Sorry if I seemed like a jerk, I read my comment again this morning and it came across more passive aggressive then I intended, I was genuinely curious to know if you bought them. Thanks for the content!
@@improvingshooter5423 I appreciate the follow up. TBH, I read your reply and was like "wth?" but just let it slide. I appreciate you following up. :)
Kinda lazy intro to such a fine product. You didn’t put the name of this product in the title or description. And, you didn’t find out how to pronounce the name. Good review otherwise.
$4000. More audiophoolery.
That's easy to say. But... Show me a passive bookshelf speaker of the same size that is cheaper and has better performance. From linearity to compression. I don't know of one.
4 GRAND NO THANKS