I also have a pair of Klipsch Chorus 2. They originally were made to replace the Cornwalls but a passive radiator instead of ports. I did almost exactly what Danny said to do with bracing. The wood cabinet braces and I used auto damping mat on everything including the horn and driver baskets. Upgraded the crossover components. Night and day difference on cleaning up the coloration. Turned them from a good speaker to a great speaker. Highly recommend following Danny’s advice.
@@tracyleavitt-ur1if sorry no. It was years ago right before Covid and I didn’t take pics. As for the crossover I replaced the caps, 1 sand cast resistor and an I believe 2 inductors with air coils. I replaced the tweeter diaphragm with a Crites titanium. For the cabinet I used 4 - 1”x2” boards going from the 2 sides of the cabinets. I used Kilmat on all internal surfaces of the cabinet. I also put Kilmat on the mid horn, the woofer and passive radiator basket. I also added a washer on the passive radiator of I think 2 or 3 oz to lower the frequency range. I have been thinking of looking at a completely new crossover for them. I don’t use them much so it’s not a high priority.
As Danny was talking about internal damping I thought about the auto damping mat. It worked in my hot rod it should do well in any cabinet that is a buzz box. You also don't need to cover the entire inside surface. A pad of the mat centered on the panel is usually enough to dampen vibration. If you have a die cast horn in the box wrap that with mat also to minimize ringing. I'm not a fan of horns since I stopped using them in my speaker builds back in the late '70's.
I was waiting for you to do a pair of these. Two years or so ago I took some of your advice and helped a friend of mine line the interior of a pair of these with half inch sheets of chip board. I recalled Wharfedale doing so to the interiors of their cabinets to a great effect. We took out the drivers and ditched those boards inside and with 3/4" wood screws and Titebond we effectively doubled the weight of the things. We replaced the connectors with all brass, soldered quality wires in place and elevated them off the floor with a pair of butcher's block stands of about 14" in height. Are they as good as having your new networks inside? No. But, God, were they cleaner afterward. And being honest, the chip boarding in place of a ton of little braces was pretty easy to put in. We even routed the holes for the drivers.
Danny. Your statements about testing furthur away from the speakers after you first test at 1/watt at 1 meter...MADE ME SMILE..thank you for expanding your testing format...It shows how the system reacts and blends after it has time for the drivers harmonics to mingle..YES SIR..YOURE CORRECT.. THANK YOU..
Danny another good one. You made my Saturday! A real diy-er as you, make your own shelfs and lighting. Great. Better then your living room with these lighter backgrounds. Gold on the shelfs!
I’ve been through so many speakers. I still have several that I use once in awhile. But when my Klipsch LaScalas are plugged in and the smile on my face comes back its game over
@@stephenyoud6125 I replaced the tweeter and crossover with a Crites set up. I damped the “doghouse” with damping material and the same with the woofer basket. I did not touch the mid horn as Crites told me the mid horn sounded best untouched from their testing. There really is not much to do on the cabinet for bracing because it’s a horn not truly a cabinet and it’s very stiff. Why I only did damping. And like my Chorus 2 they went from very good to fantastic. Really cleans up the detail.
We bought a new pair of LaScallas after selling our Tannoy GRFs. My wife would walk into the room, laugh, shake her head, and walk away. Three weeks later we sold them to a guy to use in his bar. He wanted LOUD; he got it. Those speakers had no bass; needed a lot of work...
@@daveclark9904 subs are almost mandatory. All Klipsch Heritage need subs. I run 2 subs with mine. But then again I run subs with almost all my speakers regardless of make or style. I also have a dedicated music room that is wife proof. LaScalas with subs will take you right to the front row of the concert.
Every word of this one is gold. I am finishing up a speaker build and everything said here was verified in my experience. Going from a premade (by the driver manufacturer, for the driver I used) crossover to my own custom crossover, even with just the development/low cost version of the capacitors the difference is huge. Capacitor choice is a major element to crossover design/building.
Good to see Danny had some good things to say about the cornwall. The cornwall was origially designed in 1959, the hay-day of jazz, rock and other non-synthetic music. Good to see Danny is offering an upgrade in crossover parts and methods to firming up the cabinet. These speakers look heavy to begin with, I can only imagine what these speakers would weigh with added internal bracing and treatment.
I own Kilpsch and Vandersteens. Two totally different sound philosophies. One time aligned, the other about dynamics. I personally love dynamics over audiophile precision. That live music sound is magical in its own right. The Vandys are beautiful too though, their imaging and smoothness. It's a matter of taste. I wish I had a bigger house, I'd have both set up at the same time in different rooms.
@@hifiandrew Apparently, according to all the "experts" here, Klipsch suck and a waste of money, don't believe your lying ears!!! Believe what other people tell you you have to like. I just attended an audiofest, listened to dozens of speakers, a lot cost more than my car, guess what, 70% I would not trade for my Cornwall IV'S.
@@pnichols6500 Well said. @Hifiandrew Well spoken. Also the CW IV is way beyond the CW III as the CW III has been known to be a rushed blunder by Klipsch. I have CW I's and would not trade them for the CW III. It makes since the CW III would be speaker Danny would pick to pounce on as that's the model out of the Cornwall series with the most issues. The one sided BS came out when he started saying regular drivers are better than horns. Horns are more efficient with less distortion while requiring a lot less power to run than regular full size drivers. This is why the CW series can run on as little as 15 watts TUBE amplification and run a person out of a 25x25 room. Horns can fill a very large area with a lot less power and sound fantastic while doing so. The truth is Horns have advantages that regular drivers don't have and regular drivers have advantages horns don't have. Hmmmm... that wasn't mentioned. Danny didn't clarify horns vs regular drivers, because he doesn't know or is that biased on his opinion.Type of amplification (solid state vs tubes) has another big part to play in dynamics. Last, Danny didn't explain to the potential purchaser that his kit will not work well with the CW I, II or IV and would be a back step. I guess he can sell more kits this way. What a blunder or simply shameful if that was the intent. At least this kit will make big improvements to the CW III so those folks will be happy.
I'll take the Vandys (having owned 2 pair of model 2's) with a kickass hi power solid state amp to keep them from sounding too soft, as they may tend to do with a tube amp. I had them playing with an ARC D100 tube amp, and although very satisfying, they lacked the last bit of slam, quickness and impact. For the price of the Cornwalls you can get the Signature 3A's, a much better Vandersteen speaker than the 2's. I'd settle for the Cornwalls with a good tube amp, don't need a lot of power so you could really get a sweet sounding tube amp at 50 watts/channel or so and get plenty of volume .
@@lithiumstatic I don't think he dismissed the efficiency of horns. I thought he highlighted the downside of their physical design in relation to potential time-alignment issues when used in multi-driver systems. Also he pointed out, some folks prefer a big, wall of sound presentation, while others are interested in a sound that is more nuanced and three dimensional. I would also expect that the kind of music you listens to would also determine the type of speakers you preferred.
Vandersteens time aligned makes me laugh. Send us the step impulse response. Not even Stereophile could get that even close to time aligned. No matter the model. Despite Richard’s insistence. Doesn’t matter anyway, there are better speakers out there without it. Although at least he tried with 1st order crossovers that somehow ended up with 22 parts. Which is not what a 1st order crossover looks like. Marketing genius. Knew some stuff and is good at pulling the wool.
Your explanation were off the chart! Thanks so much for the time you took to explain to us non audio engineers. Now I need to remeasure my sound stage to see how bad my system is performing.
It always blows my mind how much Klipsch asks for these speakers with its such primitive design, It's a great speaker they sound amazing for what it is, but the price in 2024 is absurd.
I just have to say, probably my favorite thing about this is the way the Cornwall is just behind you, looming large over your shoulder....almost as if it's trying to bully you into saying only complimentary things.
Never thought about being in phase but being a few cycles behind was a thing! That would certainly mess up diffuse sound like reverbs and left/right positioning of sound sources over frequency and combing probably. Love the tech talk so keep 'm coming!
I took in a pair of 1985 Klipsch Heresy II when a soldier needed money. I held them for 6 weeks for him to pay me back but he said he could not so we signed a 'Bill of sale' note. I had a Pioneer Receiver and an Akai reel to real and a turntable.I hooked them up and put on a few records like Edgar Winter's Frankenstine. They were so harsh, RINGING tinny sound, gave me a headache. I took the woofer out and worked in some 1/2 inch MDF glued to the sides and front baffle. then filled it with Rockwool. Trial and error to get them right to my ear. But I could not wait to off load them. Got almost twice my money 6 months later.
@@ricome169 Back in 1985, nope. Now 39 years later, yes. But I can still hear Tin Trash Can sound. Adding baffles and rockwool brought the mid range up and took the ringing away. Some think Klipsch Heresy are GODS GIFT.
Hello. I like the new places you sit well. very good lighting. Not too much light and not too little. Good and even light distribution in the room. Better than you often get with the camera light youtubers use
Completely agree. The all black room makes it especially difficult to see any detail in the speakers he is displaying. Much better room for video!!! Yes, some acoustical absorption would be helpful.
The timing issue is noticeable, and that's why good professional audio setups using external active crossovers use time delay to sync the woofers and the horns. I tri-amp my speakers, and my Rane AC23 enables this, as does the Behringer Pro CX3400. I tried a Sublime K231, and it might have been slightly better quality, but my EV H350 mid horn voice coil is over 18 inches to the reear of the woofer, and about 16 inches behind the tweeter voice coil. I felt there was a noticeable improvement using the Rane time delay.
It isn't all about the measurements. The Cornwall 3's measured fairly well. They actually measured real well compared to other Klipsch models. The real improvements come from fixing the cabinet noise, and replacing the cheesy parts with higher quality parts.
I just finish watching the video, top notch as always Danny, keep it up the good work; it is always a pleasure learning something new along the way of this marvelous hobby
I bought a pair of Cornwall 1.5's for $172 in an estate auction. The base of one cabinet had to be completely rebuilt. I decided to completely gut them and put on real veneer. The 1.5's have rear-mounted drivers so the whole back comes off to access the drivers and crossover. So there is no real way to brace the back baffle. I took a section of cabinet material and created an arched brace between the woofer and midrange that ties the front and sides together. Not perfect but I could instantly tell a difference when knocking on the cabinet. And I routered the edge edges of the brace to help diffraction. Then I bought silver-level replacement B-3 crossovers from Crites to dump the stock and added two layers of damping materials inside. One layer of 20 mm closed cell dense acoustic foam covered by a 1/2" of a wool mat product is also sold as damping. They sound great but I'd like to replace the tweeter with the SMAHL option in the future. You'd be amazed by how many negative responses I got in the Klipsch groups. A lot of folks have really tied their personal worth to the Klipsch Heritage line and any indication that Paul Klipsch's designs aren't perfect is the same as denigrating their mothers. I'm glad this kit is for the 3's considering I've already done the work on my 1.5's. I have a pair of JBL L100s that I rebuilt as well. It's funny the feathers Danny ruffled with that kit for the very similar 4312s.
Closed cell foam is not the right type of lining for speaker cabinets, it's used to dampen panels in vehicles, hence the closed structure to repel water.
@@paulb4661 one layer of No-rez is closed cell. And knowing it's designed to dampen the cabinet and not address sound waves is why I covered it. Either way a big improvement over the mouse destroyed OG stuff.
Judging only from the response curves Danny put up, I'd say the tweeter is the best part of the whole system. I totally agree with Danny's assessment. I'd recommend replacing the midrange horn with something that puts the coils closer on the Z axis. Just my 2 cents. I like what you did to dampen it.
I did this suggested diagonal bracing and no rez on a pair of forte ones. It made a huge difference I also experimented with some polyfill. I have the crites crossovers with sonicaps and upgraded the resistor and upgraded the coil on the tweeter to a Janzen copper foil. So without even changing the crossover just upgraded parts and bracing the cabinet it was a huge night and day difference.
There are some good parts there. However, that design used a terminal strip to connect parts. Those often have steel screws in them. Getting that out of the signal path will be a nice improvement. Replacing the binding post with tube connectors will also really help.
I also used dynamat on the horns and the stamped steel frame of woofers, and rewired with GR wire. They image and soundstage so much better, they are still fun and have huge dynamics!
@@dannyrichie9743 I did that I took out the terminal strip, and all the little connector clips, and actually rewired everything in the crossover with your wire, and I bypassed the Sonic apps with miflex copper caps, and have your speaker cable going into the tube connectors, the crossover is outboard now and I'm thinking about putting three sets of tube connectors on the back of the speaker to plug the outboard crossover into. Is there any way to replace the auto former on the mid horn?
@@dannyrichie9743 I really went over your video and follow ups about the forte III that you did, it does sound unbelievably better. You got me started when I got your kit for the 600M, which was an incredible transformation. I'm just hoping somebody sends you in a forte one to work on at some point!!!
I know - mind boggles! How did they think they could do that and offer it for a price of a good second hand car, is beyond me! They're clearly taking us for a ride... Where are these made, in US or China?
Hope, Arkansas, USA by a man (Paul Klipsch)with 20+ speaker patents. His successor, Roy Delgado has at least 3 speaker patents. Their first speaker, the Klipschorns has been sold continuously since 1946, 78 years. No other speaker manufacturer can match this. They must be doing something right! Ask Danny how many patents he has related to speakers?
@@allears1236 Do not confuse Klipsch of the past and the marketing company they turned into during last two decades, please. Paul Klipsch would never use 2 peices of building wood thrown in like that for internal bracing in one of his signature speakers.
Your right there’s no bracing in it hardly at all , I completely redid mine like a roll cage on a rally car and put 1” thick foam and re did the crossover ,mine sound amazing know , a big difference
It"s surprising how many people including audio reviewers swear that these are God's speakers. As always ,good work Danny,The haters are just jealous.Your expertise and knowledge are truly "Richie"
I bought out a retired upscale speaker builders stock, I could stock a room like that!! I know one thing, as a diy guy, I’ll never need to buy another coil, air core, Lintz, ribbon, you name it!!!
I own a pair of Cornwall II's that I bought new in 1986 ($1184 a pair) from Read Brothers. They are my front speakers today in my TV Room. When I first got them, I also had a pair of Cerwin Vega 316R's, which had a similar sensitivity. I powered all 4 speakers with a Pioneer SX-1980 Stereo Receiver for about 15 years and then sold the Pioneer and Cerwin Vegas. You only need a few watts to power these speakers.
Depends I personally enjoy the sound of the Cornwalls not for music but for hometheater personally enjoy the klipsch sound for hometheater only I also run a high crossover with rel subwoofer normally a 100hz crossover so all that res from the box is never a problem
The quality of the video is great. We can see what you are showing, we can understand clearly what you are saying - and the message, what you have to say, it's what's important.
Im glad you mentioned voice coil alignment. I think this is the first time I've heard you mention it and I've been wondering if you considered it important. I have a good friend who owns some old Cornwalls and he thinks he's got the best speakers ever made. They sound great on certain songs, but I cringe when he's playing most modern music. Bloated midbass and lackluster in the mids, but I don't have the heart to criticize his setup.
With the exception of the outside wood veneer, the interior of the Cornwall looks similar to the $800.00 msrp BIC RTR-EV15 's!! However I believe that biamping them with tubes on midrange and treble with transistors on bass, I would enjoy owning them if they were half the price!
Love it, don't mind the echo as we get a better view of the speaker. Very informative, and with information we gain knowledge. So for us out here it's a win win situation.
I really appreciate how you can take a difficult to understand concept (the timing delay between high end and mid horn) and make it easy to understand. Your "drum beats" explanation was a good analogy.
Love your videos and how informative they are. I am by no means a Klipsch apologist, I own a set of Heresy IVs that I’m sticking with but if you guys ever made a kit for those I’d give em a try! Know they’d never be perfect but it’d be nice to just even everything out.
Pretty cool improvements. Love the sound of them without it, must be pretty fantastic with it. Thinking about trading in my focal kanta 2s for the cornwalls or RF7's
Good evening and sound fine in the new room I am listening on my ear buds connected to cellphone thanks nice video big speaker 🔊 for big room was the thinking 🤔 when designing this one. Gn.
Ive had much better and much more accurate speakers than the cornwall but a pair of late 70s cornwalls are the speakers that left me with some of my best rock and roll audio memories
Great insights intu why I don’t like horns. I’m a Quad ESL 63 man which I consider to be beautifully transparent when properly modified. Different beast from cones.
I'm tired of analyzing my components all the time. What's wrong with a very musical speaker like the Cornwall and LaScala? A speaker that let's you sit back and enjoy the music?
That tweeter is fantastic. While it may not be able to play as low as I'd like, it certainly does what it does smoothly and cleanly. That's a tweeter worth designing a speaker around. Edit: out of a hundred different tweeters, I might say that of about 5.
For the price of those things..stamped speaker baskets is a deal breaker for me. I lean towards manufacturers that actually put effort into quality. Heavy solid cabinets and quality speakers. JBL at least gives you cast baskets and solid cabinets
Paul Klipsch and Roy Delgado have more than 20 speaker related patents. How many speaker related patents does Danny Richie have? The K-horn has been sold for 78 years; longer than any other speaker in the WORLD! You can listen to Klipsch speakers before you buy them. If you like them, buy them. If you don’t like what you hear, but what YOU like. I’m skeptical of people that continually bash competitor’s products. Klipsch is an iconic American brand that anyone can be proud of!
Just because a company has been around a long time doesn't mean they are an elite brand. Bose has been around for a long time too, and they don't make high end speakers either. This brand has most of their product line mass produced in China, and they are super cheaply built. That's a fact. Is that something to be proud of? There is also nothing wrong with people wanting to turn them into a higher quality speaker.
The Heritage line are American made in Hope, Arkansas, USA. Klipsch still makes quality speakers. If you don’t like Klipsch products, this is a free country, buy what you like. Constructive criticism is okay, but why make a career of putting down an iconic American brand? Just market your speakers and your products!
I’m always amazed at how many idiots are in this world that believe all these old Timey companies and their garbage products 🤣 Danny doesn’t need a patent, he’s a genius, geniuses don’t bother with patents they just make money selling their “Real” speakers!
@@allears1236 Do you really think that the drivers, crossover parts, binding post cup, or cabinets are really made here? People like doing upgrades and they send in speakers from just about every company. We work on what is sent in. When speakers that are sent in are well designed, I say so. When they are not, I say so. It is what it is.
Everyone interested in the Cornwall IV should watch the two videos of "The Boston Audiophile" where he exposes the shortcomings of the Cornwalls. David has a Mechanical Engineering degree from Cornell. The guy is brilliant.
I wish he did more videos! Probably too busy with his day job (he clearly makes good money). To be fair, he seemed to really like them but saw room for improvement.
He also likes the Cornwall IVs. He found some areas in which they could be improved, but if you watch his videos you'll also understand that he choose the CW IV over other speakers as the set he wanted for himself.
This is why Audiophile has become an ugly word. An audiophile is simply someone who CARES about audio quality, and puts some thought and effort into their system. I’ve been an audiophile for nearly 40 years, and recently acquired a pair of Cornwall 4s. They are shedding a light on music in a way I’ve never heard before (and not just loud). I’ve had all sorts of speakers, and these are every bit as audiophile as my B&W, Dynaudio, Focal, Martin-Logan, and Tannoys. I of course LOVE how Danny is helping us get MORE out of whatever we have.
A statement of practicality and experience. I've been an audiophile since 1984, totally get what your saying and 100% agree. When I read some of these comments from the inexperienced, I'm in shock. They hang on the Danny's words like a cult following even while he's leaving out the full story and creating a biased slope to sell his kits. Yes, at least some CW III's will get what they need to sound right.
Try them with or without stuffing. It may surprise you how little change there is. I wouldn't pay that kind of money for new but would build them like I wanted.
Embarrassed? The CFO is happy! They want to retain their workforce by offering decent pay and benefits. Dealer margins are 40+ points, shipping these ain’t cheap, and they use reps who take a cut….and they advertise. In order to run a profitable Made In America manufacturing business you have to cover all these costs.
I really enjoy your videos! Many of your “Watcher’s “ comments reinforce what you already have stated. Listen to Danny, he knows what he’s talking about! 👍🏻
Have a pair of Heresy ver 1. And yes, at the time I knew these wouldn’t be my cup of tea. I’m a single driver, full range, Tannoy and Accuphase type of guy. Most multi driver speakers cause me listener fatigue. My brain just gets tired. But a set of Heresys for $500, I couldn’t past on an extended listen and can sell them later without loss. I even thought, I could put them in the garage. You know, drink beers with the boys in the garage, but I’d have to get friends first, so. Haha Anyways, within a month of having them around, I'd grown tired and now they just sit. I’m back to my full range drivers. They are fun. Very informative as always. Thank you.
Older Heresy's need a lot of cabinet bracing and some sort of filler like rockwool insulation. Or "No-Rez". And again if you were to just get all higher end crossover parts and replace the old junk it too will help.
I listened to the Cornwalls at my local audio store back in 1978. The amp was the GAS Ampzilla. Yes, they play really loud enough to drive listeners out of the room! But sound like cr*p!
We had one of those in for measuring and testing. The time alignment of the drivers was the worst I have ever seen. The cabinet buzzing the the worst I have ever seen, and the response was all over the place.
If you had heard (which you may have) Andrew Robinson gush over these so much you would think these were better than the invention of sliced bread. Love that you not only expose the manufacturer's, but all involved in the deception. Maybe it's not deception...maybe he just doesn't know any better. I can say this now with conviction. Danny & Hobbs just designed crossovers for my AR Classic 30's. Blown away to say the least. I paid full price like everyone else. If you have not experienced your favorite speakers with GR Research designed crossovers, you are missing out on what your speakers are actually capable of. Detailed review of the improvements at the GR site, soon. Danny & Hobbs my go to guys for all my audio needs from now on. Leveled up to a level I had never heard before. Exciting days in my audio journey, Thanks to both of you. Shout out to Frederick out in Cali (Danny's recommended crossover builder) Amazing job.
@@dannyrichie9743 ...and also thanks for helping me get my room right. Now that I'm an actual customer, I get an unlimited amount of dumb questions right?
These were typically my least favorite speakers in the Klipsch line. There always seemed to be an odd resonance emitted from the speaker. It was an upper bass bulge that made the lower bass seem weak. They also seemed a little shouty in the midrange in the listening room I was in. I think the little bulge around 1,500 hz is where that shouty nature comes out, since I was standing above the tweeter axis quite a bit.
Hi Mate. Love your work. I have got a lot of Peerless speakers that have never been used. I would love to find out what i can do with them. Would like to here from you . Cheers. I am in Australia.
I am the owner of Cornwall threes. I like to experiment. I recently got hold of a three-way crossover with time alignment digital and I hooked it up to my system and I had the appropriate amplifiers and the sound was absolutely amazing. So I'm just wondering can't a lot of speakers that are out of phase of having all these issues and not being crossed over right use an electronic crossover can somebody out there or you yourself give me some insight?😮
You can only partially fix physical time alignment issues. You can fix it for one listening axis, but it does not fix the alignment off axis. Think about it and it becomes obvious. That said, time alignment, while not meaningless, is over hyped, at the delay periods we're generally talking about.
Great video. You say so much more than what you say. First to validate what my ears have always heard from Klipsch. Second to provide measurements that explain/ expose what other more subjective reviewers use to describe what they are hearing. "Detail" and "dynamics" which are often used to describe these speakers in reviews is actually pointing out it's failures that enhance some otherwise lessor recordings and or more than should be expected at levels we loose sensitivity in.
I just dont understand how such an expensive pair of speakers can use so much upgrade. For the price you pay for a speaker like that, you would think they play as good as they can, but nono. That is just unbelievable.
The smaller Heresy 3 measured fairly well too, but the customer decided against upgrading them so we never developed a kit for it. But it has a lot of the same construction issues and cheap parts seen in the Forte and Cornwall models.
Horns (NOT these particular horns) are the best speaker design that exists in the world. But you need the right geometry, compression driver, and EQ. But the effects of increasing acoustical impedance and gaining free spl, playing lower with a smaller driver, pays incredible dividends in distortion and dynamics. Realism and precision. A properly designed and implemented horn has no inherent horn honk at all, ONLY all the benefits. Only potential downside, depending on your preference, is a partially/somewhat narrower dispersion pattern.
I've just paused the video just to admire all of the inductors, like a kid in a candy store 🤗
Agreed!....Also, the shear amount of copper in that room is what "scrap metal" guys' dreams are made of! lol
I also have a pair of Klipsch Chorus 2. They originally were made to replace the Cornwalls but a passive radiator instead of ports. I did almost exactly what Danny said to do with bracing. The wood cabinet braces and I used auto damping mat on everything including the horn and driver baskets. Upgraded the crossover components. Night and day difference on cleaning up the coloration. Turned them from a good speaker to a great speaker. Highly recommend following Danny’s advice.
Do you have any pics? What did you do with the crossovers?
@@tracyleavitt-ur1if sorry no. It was years ago right before Covid and I didn’t take pics. As for the crossover I replaced the caps, 1 sand cast resistor and an I believe 2 inductors with air coils. I replaced the tweeter diaphragm with a Crites titanium. For the cabinet I used 4 - 1”x2” boards going from the 2 sides of the cabinets. I used Kilmat on all internal surfaces of the cabinet. I also put Kilmat on the mid horn, the woofer and passive radiator basket. I also added a washer on the passive radiator of I think 2 or 3 oz to lower the frequency range. I have been thinking of looking at a completely new crossover for them. I don’t use them much so it’s not a high priority.
Sounds like pretty much the same as I did on my forte’s. Thanks ✌️
As Danny was talking about internal damping I thought about the auto damping mat. It worked in my hot rod it should do well in any cabinet that is a buzz box. You also don't need to cover the entire inside surface. A pad of the mat centered on the panel is usually enough to dampen vibration. If you have a die cast horn in the box wrap that with mat also to minimize ringing. I'm not a fan of horns since I stopped using them in my speaker builds back in the late '70's.
I was waiting for you to do a pair of these. Two years or so ago I took some of your advice and helped a friend of mine line the interior of a pair of these with half inch sheets of chip board. I recalled Wharfedale doing so to the interiors of their cabinets to a great effect. We took out the drivers and ditched those boards inside and with 3/4" wood screws and Titebond we effectively doubled the weight of the things. We replaced the connectors with all brass, soldered quality wires in place and elevated them off the floor with a pair of butcher's block stands of about 14" in height. Are they as good as having your new networks inside? No. But, God, were they cleaner afterward. And being honest, the chip boarding in place of a ton of little braces was pretty easy to put in. We even routed the holes for the drivers.
Danny. Your statements about testing furthur away from the speakers after you first test at 1/watt at 1 meter...MADE ME SMILE..thank you for expanding your testing format...It shows how the system reacts and blends after it has time for the drivers harmonics to mingle..YES SIR..YOURE CORRECT.. THANK YOU..
Danny another good one. You made my Saturday! A real diy-er as you, make your own shelfs and lighting. Great. Better then your living room with these lighter backgrounds. Gold on the shelfs!
I’ve been through so many speakers. I still have several that I use once in awhile. But when my Klipsch LaScalas are plugged in and the smile on my face comes back its game over
have you applied the same approve as yr other Klipschs to cleanup the sound?
@@stephenyoud6125 I replaced the tweeter and crossover with a Crites set up. I damped the “doghouse” with damping material and the same with the woofer basket. I did not touch the mid horn as Crites told me the mid horn sounded best untouched from their testing. There really is not much to do on the cabinet for bracing because it’s a horn not truly a cabinet and it’s very stiff. Why I only did damping. And like my Chorus 2 they went from very good to fantastic. Really cleans up the detail.
We bought a new pair of LaScallas after selling our Tannoy GRFs. My wife would walk into the room, laugh, shake her head, and walk away. Three weeks later we sold them to a guy to use in his bar. He wanted LOUD; he got it. Those speakers had no bass; needed a lot of work...
@@daveclark9904 subs are almost mandatory. All Klipsch Heritage need subs. I run 2 subs with mine. But then again I run subs with almost all my speakers regardless of make or style. I also have a dedicated music room that is wife proof. LaScalas with subs will take you right to the front row of the concert.
@daveclark9904 You can place a clock radio next to La Scalas and a woman would tell you there's no difference.
Every word of this one is gold. I am finishing up a speaker build and everything said here was verified in my experience. Going from a premade (by the driver manufacturer, for the driver I used) crossover to my own custom crossover, even with just the development/low cost version of the capacitors the difference is huge. Capacitor choice is a major element to crossover design/building.
Check out the capacitor tests in humble homemade HiFi for review and assessments of many many crossover caps
@@stephenyoud6125 yeah, I found this via Danny’s website, super helpful (because not so many people can afford to buy a bunch to try out).
Love the new backdrop because it shows the reality of what you do. Those parts might induce you to increase your capacity.
😂
Good to see Danny had some good things to say about the cornwall. The cornwall was origially designed in 1959, the hay-day of jazz, rock and other non-synthetic music. Good to see Danny is offering an upgrade in crossover parts and methods to firming up the cabinet. These speakers look heavy to begin with, I can only imagine what these speakers would weigh with added internal bracing and treatment.
I own Kilpsch and Vandersteens. Two totally different sound philosophies. One time aligned, the other about dynamics. I personally love dynamics over audiophile precision. That live music sound is magical in its own right. The Vandys are beautiful too though, their imaging and smoothness. It's a matter of taste. I wish I had a bigger house, I'd have both set up at the same time in different rooms.
@@hifiandrew Apparently, according to all the "experts" here, Klipsch suck and a waste of money, don't believe your lying ears!!! Believe what other people tell you you have to like.
I just attended an audiofest, listened to dozens of speakers, a lot cost more than my car, guess what, 70% I would not trade for my Cornwall IV'S.
@@pnichols6500 Well said. @Hifiandrew Well spoken. Also the CW IV is way beyond the CW III as the CW III has been known to be a rushed blunder by Klipsch. I have CW I's and would not trade them for the CW III. It makes since the CW III would be speaker Danny would pick to pounce on as that's the model out of the Cornwall series with the most issues. The one sided BS came out when he started saying regular drivers are better than horns. Horns are more efficient with less distortion while requiring a lot less power to run than regular full size drivers. This is why the CW series can run on as little as 15 watts TUBE amplification and run a person out of a 25x25 room. Horns can fill a very large area with a lot less power and sound fantastic while doing so. The truth is Horns have advantages that regular drivers don't have and regular drivers have advantages horns don't have. Hmmmm... that wasn't mentioned. Danny didn't clarify horns vs regular drivers, because he doesn't know or is that biased on his opinion.Type of amplification (solid state vs tubes) has another big part to play in dynamics. Last, Danny didn't explain to the potential purchaser that his kit will not work well with the CW I, II or IV and would be a back step. I guess he can sell more kits this way. What a blunder or simply shameful if that was the intent. At least this kit will make big improvements to the CW III so those folks will be happy.
I'll take the Vandys (having owned 2 pair of model 2's) with a kickass hi power solid state amp to keep them from sounding too soft, as they may tend to do with a tube amp. I had them playing with an ARC D100 tube amp, and although very satisfying, they lacked the last bit of slam, quickness and impact.
For the price of the Cornwalls you can get the Signature 3A's, a much better Vandersteen speaker than the 2's.
I'd settle for the Cornwalls with a good tube amp, don't need a lot of power so you could really get a sweet sounding tube amp at 50 watts/channel or so and get plenty of volume .
@@lithiumstatic I don't think he dismissed the efficiency of horns. I thought he highlighted the downside of their physical design in relation to potential time-alignment issues when used in multi-driver systems. Also he pointed out, some folks prefer a big, wall of sound presentation, while others are interested in a sound that is more nuanced and three dimensional. I would also expect that the kind of music you listens to would also determine the type of speakers you preferred.
Vandersteens time aligned makes me laugh. Send us the step impulse response. Not even Stereophile could get that even close to time aligned. No matter the model. Despite Richard’s insistence. Doesn’t matter anyway, there are better speakers out there without it. Although at least he tried with 1st order crossovers that somehow ended up with 22 parts. Which is not what a 1st order crossover looks like. Marketing genius. Knew some stuff and is good at pulling the wool.
Line the room with NoRez! 😄
Sure he though of that already. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Probably just figuring out how to cut all the pieces of that gen2 NoRez. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just lined my skull. All speakers now sound amazing.
yes but chair and table need bracing
That was funny, genuinely LOL.
Time alignment and active amplification would be great for speakers like this 😊
Your explanation were off the chart! Thanks so much for the time you took to explain to us non audio engineers. Now I need to remeasure my sound stage to see how bad my system is performing.
New room lighting much better. Great job. More Klipsch fun !!
??no no k
It always blows my mind how much Klipsch asks for these speakers with its such primitive design, It's a great speaker they sound amazing for what it is, but the price in 2024 is absurd.
Audiovox product.
That's why you build your own. I've been running my homemade khorns since the mid 80s.
I just have to say, probably my favorite thing about this is the way the Cornwall is just behind you, looming large over your shoulder....almost as if it's trying to bully you into saying only complimentary things.
He is, but unable to speak for himself....
Great tech talk. Every time I watch one of these I learn something new.
Never thought about being in phase but being a few cycles behind was a thing! That would certainly mess up diffuse sound like reverbs and left/right positioning of sound sources over frequency and combing probably.
Love the tech talk so keep 'm coming!
Another great video. Danny telling it like it is. No surprises really.....PA speakers in a tux. It's what they are. Crank it up!
You'd think by now Klipsch would do these upgrades in-house. Their customers will pay for better sound. Great vid.
Haha they milking the Cornwall these parts are cheap also...
400% upcharge crap
$5 speakers $4k profit......but cerwin vega xls15 ...it's better
@@StrangeBrewReviewsbig exaggeration but yes they are horribly overpriced and not optimized to what they could be.
@@StrangeBrewReviewsLet us know when your US Speaker manufacturing business is up and running!
@@erics.4113Don't need ONE. Buy GR DIY kit and build. No middlemen needed.
@@erics.4113 ha ha good one. people talk a lot of bs
You have to stiffen up your floor. Every time you moved your body, the Cornwall was moving too. Good you're alive and well.
I took in a pair of 1985 Klipsch Heresy II when a soldier needed money. I held them for 6 weeks for him to pay me back but he said he could not so we signed a 'Bill of sale' note. I had a Pioneer Receiver and an Akai reel to real and a turntable.I hooked them up and put on a few records like Edgar Winter's Frankenstine. They were so harsh, RINGING tinny sound, gave me a headache. I took the woofer out and worked in some 1/2 inch MDF glued to the sides and front baffle. then filled it with Rockwool. Trial and error to get them right to my ear. But I could not wait to off load them. Got almost twice my money 6 months later.
perhaps you're hearing is bad
@@ricome169 Back in 1985, nope.
Now 39 years later, yes.
But I can still hear Tin Trash Can sound. Adding baffles and rockwool brought the mid range up and took the ringing away.
Some think Klipsch Heresy are GODS GIFT.
Hello. I like the new places you sit well. very good lighting. Not too much light and not too little. Good and even light distribution in the room. Better than you often get with the camera light youtubers use
the lighting is romantic .,,,,, almost like candlelight
Completely agree. The all black room makes it especially difficult to see any detail in the speakers he is displaying. Much better room for video!!! Yes, some acoustical absorption would be helpful.
The timing issue is noticeable, and that's why good professional audio setups using external active crossovers use time delay to sync the woofers and the horns. I tri-amp my speakers, and my Rane AC23 enables this, as does the Behringer Pro CX3400. I tried a Sublime K231, and it might have been slightly better quality, but my EV H350 mid horn voice coil is over 18 inches to the reear of the woofer, and about 16 inches behind the tweeter voice coil. I felt there was a noticeable improvement using the Rane time delay.
The Cornwalls before just a PA speaker now not a bad Hi Fi one thanks to Danny
I have been watching for years
Finally an upgrade I would consider
It would be interesting to see the measurement comparison among the stock Cornwall 3, the GR altered one and the Cornwall 4.
It isn't all about the measurements. The Cornwall 3's measured fairly well. They actually measured real well compared to other Klipsch models. The real improvements come from fixing the cabinet noise, and replacing the cheesy parts with higher quality parts.
Love the room with all the coils in the back!
I just finish watching the video, top notch as always Danny, keep it up the good work; it is always a pleasure learning something new along the way of this marvelous hobby
time alignment is everything for clean accurate sound.
I bought a pair of Cornwall 1.5's for $172 in an estate auction. The base of one cabinet had to be completely rebuilt. I decided to completely gut them and put on real veneer. The 1.5's have rear-mounted drivers so the whole back comes off to access the drivers and crossover. So there is no real way to brace the back baffle. I took a section of cabinet material and created an arched brace between the woofer and midrange that ties the front and sides together. Not perfect but I could instantly tell a difference when knocking on the cabinet. And I routered the edge edges of the brace to help diffraction. Then I bought silver-level replacement B-3 crossovers from Crites to dump the stock and added two layers of damping materials inside. One layer of 20 mm closed cell dense acoustic foam covered by a 1/2" of a wool mat product is also sold as damping. They sound great but I'd like to replace the tweeter with the SMAHL option in the future. You'd be amazed by how many negative responses I got in the Klipsch groups. A lot of folks have really tied their personal worth to the Klipsch Heritage line and any indication that Paul Klipsch's designs aren't perfect is the same as denigrating their mothers. I'm glad this kit is for the 3's considering I've already done the work on my 1.5's. I have a pair of JBL L100s that I rebuilt as well. It's funny the feathers Danny ruffled with that kit for the very similar 4312s.
Closed cell foam is not the right type of lining for speaker cabinets, it's used to dampen panels in vehicles, hence the closed structure to repel water.
@@paulb4661 one layer of No-rez is closed cell. And knowing it's designed to dampen the cabinet and not address sound waves is why I covered it. Either way a big improvement over the mouse destroyed OG stuff.
Judging only from the response curves Danny put up, I'd say the tweeter is the best part of the whole system. I totally agree with Danny's assessment. I'd recommend replacing the midrange horn with something that puts the coils closer on the Z axis. Just my 2 cents.
I like what you did to dampen it.
Love the new venue, bright and cheery. Your long version videos are the way to go... Bravo
I had similar experiences on the Klipsch Forum. Klipsch people seem to worship PWK.
I did this suggested diagonal bracing and no rez on a pair of forte ones. It made a huge difference I also experimented with some polyfill. I have the crites crossovers with sonicaps and upgraded the resistor and upgraded the coil on the tweeter to a Janzen copper foil. So without even changing the crossover just upgraded parts and bracing the cabinet it was a huge night and day difference.
There are some good parts there. However, that design used a terminal strip to connect parts. Those often have steel screws in them. Getting that out of the signal path will be a nice improvement. Replacing the binding post with tube connectors will also really help.
I also used dynamat on the horns and the stamped steel frame of woofers, and rewired with GR wire. They image and soundstage so much better, they are still fun and have huge dynamics!
@@dannyrichie9743 I did that I took out the terminal strip, and all the little connector clips, and actually rewired everything in the crossover with your wire, and I bypassed the Sonic apps with miflex copper caps, and have your speaker cable going into the tube connectors, the crossover is outboard now and I'm thinking about putting three sets of tube connectors on the back of the speaker to plug the outboard crossover into.
Is there any way to replace the auto former on the mid horn?
@@chelillingworth9466 You did great. I bet it sounds a LOT better.
@@dannyrichie9743 I really went over your video and follow ups about the forte III that you did, it does sound unbelievably better. You got me started when I got your kit for the 600M, which was an incredible transformation. I'm just hoping somebody sends you in a forte one to work on at some point!!!
Good lord, those 2x4s left me totally flabergasted!
The whole thing on the inside looks like a secondary school project. :-(
Oh Klipsch….😢
Right? For $6500???
I know - mind boggles! How did they think they could do that and offer it for a price of a good second hand car, is beyond me! They're clearly taking us for a ride... Where are these made, in US or China?
@@babolababs4732 US
Hope, Arkansas, USA by a man (Paul Klipsch)with 20+ speaker patents. His successor, Roy Delgado has at least 3 speaker patents. Their first speaker, the Klipschorns has been sold continuously since 1946, 78 years. No other speaker manufacturer can match this. They must be doing something right! Ask Danny how many patents he has related to speakers?
@@allears1236 Do not confuse Klipsch of the past and the marketing company they turned into during last two decades, please.
Paul Klipsch would never use 2 peices of building wood thrown in like that for internal bracing in one of his signature speakers.
Your right there’s no bracing in it hardly at all , I completely redid mine like a roll cage on a rally car and put 1” thick foam and re did the crossover ,mine sound amazing know , a big difference
love the tech talk style, thank you
Whoa boy! Away we go! Very interested to see this installment…
It"s surprising how many people including audio reviewers swear that these are God's speakers. As always ,good work
Danny,The haters are just jealous.Your expertise and knowledge are truly "Richie"
A lot of the reviews are from shills, or from people who are deaf.
God level?.... No speaker is that. However CW speakers are very good. As are many many many other speakers.
And reasonably priced at just $6,500...🤣🤣
Klipsch speakers are freaking horrid and the reviewers are pathological liars. Run while you can.
Crazy eh? $20 cros over in a $40 cabinet with $200 in drivers.
I bought out a retired upscale speaker builders stock, I could stock a room like that!! I know one thing, as a diy guy, I’ll never need to buy another coil, air core, Lintz, ribbon, you name it!!!
it was not as Bad as I Was Thinking it would be. Good job harry
I own a pair of Cornwall II's that I bought new in 1986 ($1184 a pair) from Read Brothers. They are my front speakers today in my TV Room. When I first got them, I also had a pair of Cerwin Vega 316R's, which had a similar sensitivity. I powered all 4 speakers with a Pioneer SX-1980 Stereo Receiver for about 15 years and then sold the Pioneer and Cerwin Vegas. You only need a few watts to power these speakers.
Thanks Danny, shop looks great, hats off to your inventory mnanager.
I'm quite surprised that the speakers were ±2.5dB out of the box. Very nice work and wonderful explanations.
Sounds like a lot of Cornwall owners have a job ahead of them. =)
Depends I personally enjoy the sound of the Cornwalls not for music but for hometheater personally enjoy the klipsch sound for hometheater only I also run a high crossover with rel subwoofer normally a 100hz crossover so all that res from the box is never a problem
The quality of the video is great. We can see what you are showing, we can understand clearly what you are saying - and the message, what you have to say, it's what's important.
Im glad you mentioned voice coil alignment. I think this is the first time I've heard you mention it and I've been wondering if you considered it important. I have a good friend who owns some old Cornwalls and he thinks he's got the best speakers ever made. They sound great on certain songs, but I cringe when he's playing most modern music. Bloated midbass and lackluster in the mids, but I don't have the heart to criticize his setup.
With the exception of the outside wood veneer, the interior of the Cornwall looks similar to the $800.00 msrp BIC RTR-EV15 's!! However I believe that biamping them with tubes on midrange and treble with transistors on bass, I would enjoy owning them if they were half the price!
I actually liked the feel of where you normally do your videos
Love it, don't mind the echo as we get a better view of the speaker. Very informative, and with information we gain knowledge. So for us out here it's a win win situation.
I really appreciate how you can take a difficult to understand concept (the timing delay between high end and mid horn) and make it easy to understand. Your "drum beats" explanation was a good analogy.
Love your videos and how informative they are. I am by no means a Klipsch apologist, I own a set of Heresy IVs that I’m sticking with but if you guys ever made a kit for those I’d give em a try! Know they’d never be perfect but it’d be nice to just even everything out.
Pretty cool improvements.
Love the sound of them without it, must be pretty fantastic with it.
Thinking about trading in my focal kanta 2s for the cornwalls or RF7's
Good evening and sound fine in the new room I am listening on my ear buds connected to cellphone thanks nice video big speaker 🔊 for big room was the thinking 🤔 when designing this one. Gn.
Those are usd 10k here in Norway. Klipsch are laughing at the customer and all the way to the bank
Ive had much better and much more accurate speakers than the cornwall but a pair of late 70s cornwalls are the speakers that left me with some of my best rock and roll audio memories
Ive had Cornwall lls since 860and i think they are amazing
Great insights intu why I don’t like horns. I’m a Quad ESL 63 man which I consider to be beautifully transparent when properly modified. Different beast from cones.
I'm tired of analyzing my components all the time. What's wrong with a very musical speaker like the Cornwall and LaScala? A speaker that let's you sit back and enjoy the music?
What's wrong with making it even better?
That tweeter is fantastic. While it may not be able to play as low as I'd like, it certainly does what it does smoothly and cleanly. That's a tweeter worth designing a speaker around.
Edit: out of a hundred different tweeters, I might say that of about 5.
Do you know what would be perfect? To listen before and after the upgrades and hear the difference. I m sure lots of people would appreciate that.
Great review, I liked the detailed explanation of the upgrades to the speaker.
Please somebody send Danny a Jamo Concert VII. Another great video Danny, thanks.
For the price of those things..stamped speaker baskets is a deal breaker for me. I lean towards manufacturers that actually put effort into quality. Heavy solid cabinets and quality speakers.
JBL at least gives you cast baskets and solid cabinets
Yeah, but check the parts quality in those JBL speakers.....
Premfcisely. Stamped woofer frames in a $6500 speaker?
Paul Klipsch and Roy Delgado have more than 20 speaker related patents. How many speaker related patents does Danny Richie have? The K-horn has been sold for 78 years; longer than any other speaker in the WORLD! You can listen to Klipsch speakers before you buy them. If you like them, buy them. If you don’t like what you hear, but what YOU like. I’m skeptical of people that continually bash competitor’s products. Klipsch is an iconic American brand that anyone can be proud of!
Just because a company has been around a long time doesn't mean they are an elite brand. Bose has been around for a long time too, and they don't make high end speakers either. This brand has most of their product line mass produced in China, and they are super cheaply built. That's a fact. Is that something to be proud of? There is also nothing wrong with people wanting to turn them into a higher quality speaker.
The Heritage line are American made in Hope, Arkansas, USA. Klipsch still makes quality speakers. If you don’t like Klipsch products, this is a free country, buy what you like. Constructive criticism is okay, but why make a career of putting down an iconic American brand? Just market your speakers and your products!
I’m always amazed at how many idiots are in this world that believe all these old Timey companies and their garbage products 🤣 Danny doesn’t need a patent, he’s a genius, geniuses don’t bother with patents they just make money selling their “Real” speakers!
@@allears1236Iconic 🤣Just an absolute snowflake ❄️
@@allears1236 Do you really think that the drivers, crossover parts, binding post cup, or cabinets are really made here?
People like doing upgrades and they send in speakers from just about every company. We work on what is sent in. When speakers that are sent in are well designed, I say so. When they are not, I say so. It is what it is.
I think the sound is just fine. And, I love the background!
If you decide to take them way past fine, let me know.
Everyone interested in the Cornwall IV should watch the two videos of "The Boston Audiophile" where he exposes the shortcomings of the Cornwalls. David has a Mechanical Engineering degree from Cornell. The guy is brilliant.
I wish he did more videos! Probably too busy with his day job (he clearly makes good money). To be fair, he seemed to really like them but saw room for improvement.
Or they should go demo them and make their own conclusions!
@@calebkeen8967 I think he held back on the negativity.
@@justinvaughnatx That doesn't always work either. A speaker will sound one way in a demo room and another in your listening room.
He also likes the Cornwall IVs. He found some areas in which they could be improved, but if you watch his videos you'll also understand that he choose the CW IV over other speakers as the set he wanted for himself.
Love the tech talk with the goal of more musical enjoyment.
This is why Audiophile has become an ugly word. An audiophile is simply someone who CARES about audio quality, and puts some thought and effort into their system. I’ve been an audiophile for nearly 40 years, and recently acquired a pair of Cornwall 4s. They are shedding a light on music in a way I’ve never heard before (and not just loud). I’ve had all sorts of speakers, and these are every bit as audiophile as my B&W, Dynaudio, Focal, Martin-Logan, and Tannoys. I of course LOVE how Danny is helping us get MORE out of whatever we have.
A statement of practicality and experience. I've been an audiophile since 1984, totally get what your saying and 100% agree. When I read some of these comments from the inexperienced, I'm in shock. They hang on the Danny's words like a cult following even while he's leaving out the full story and creating a biased slope to sell his kits. Yes, at least some CW III's will get what they need to sound right.
Which B&Ws and Focals did you have?
Klipsch is abysmal with the crossover parts, very little bracing, stuffing and cabinet Echo..Echo. For $6800 they should be embarrassed.
Try them with or without stuffing. It may surprise you how little change there is. I wouldn't pay that kind of money for new but would build them like I wanted.
Totally agree, but if you ever see a used pair, you should grab them if the price is right.
Embarrassed? The CFO is happy! They want to retain their workforce by offering decent pay and benefits. Dealer margins are 40+ points, shipping these ain’t cheap, and they use reps who take a cut….and they advertise. In order to run a profitable Made In America manufacturing business you have to cover all these costs.
I really enjoy your videos! Many of your “Watcher’s “ comments reinforce what you already have stated. Listen to Danny, he knows what he’s talking about! 👍🏻
Maybe leave a kettlebell on top to help with resonances
I find that 50lb iron weights stop my down firing subs doing the
"Dalek dance"
(Dr.Who?)
Have a pair of Heresy ver 1. And yes, at the time I knew these wouldn’t be my cup of tea. I’m a single driver, full range, Tannoy and Accuphase type of guy. Most multi driver speakers cause me listener fatigue. My brain just gets tired. But a set of Heresys for $500, I couldn’t past on an extended listen and can sell them later without loss. I even thought, I could put them in the garage. You know, drink beers with the boys in the garage, but I’d have to get friends first, so. Haha Anyways, within a month of having them around, I'd grown tired and now they just sit. I’m back to my full range drivers. They are fun. Very informative as always. Thank you.
Single driver? Gross. Bad at bass, bad at the top octave if it's even there ... Ultra SPL limited, just lame and low resolution.
Older Heresy's need a lot of cabinet bracing and some sort of filler like rockwool insulation. Or "No-Rez". And again if you were to just get all higher end crossover parts and replace the old junk it too will help.
I listened to the Cornwalls at my local audio store back in 1978. The amp was the GAS Ampzilla. Yes, they play really loud enough to drive listeners out of the room! But sound like cr*p!
"KLIPSCH"
The sound made by a loudspeaker designer cutting corners.
Awesome to take on such a great speaker, imagine what will happen when Danny upgrades the Bully speaker!
It's already built the way he would build it, no upgrade.
@@Artcore103 Danny upgrades everything, even great speakers, thats the way he is, he always finds ways to improve things, wait to see!
Great video Danny. I'd love to see the spectral decay of that room :-)
I bet it would be pretty crazy in a bad way.
I always wanted a pair of those Cornholes. 🌽 😮 😂
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Like the new room.
The room is fine, nice video, thanks Danny!
dont worry about the little echo. I like the lightning aspect though.
Love all your videos and ❤ the new look
Thank you for making another video on Klipsch
I like the calmness in passing on the knowledge of these two, Amir and Danny
Ouch! those two guys in the same sentence
I rock 1980s pro line La Scalas with ALK crossovers. Best speakers I've ever heard. Imaging and Sound Stage is stunning.
We had one of those in for measuring and testing. The time alignment of the drivers was the worst I have ever seen. The cabinet buzzing the the worst I have ever seen, and the response was all over the place.
What does Erin have to say?
I know a very controlled room has to be built to correctly measure any speaker.
If you had heard (which you may have) Andrew Robinson gush over these so much you would think these were better than the invention of sliced bread. Love that you not only expose the manufacturer's, but all involved in the deception. Maybe it's not deception...maybe he just doesn't know any better. I can say this now with conviction. Danny & Hobbs just designed crossovers for my AR Classic 30's. Blown away to say the least. I paid full price like everyone else. If you have not experienced your favorite speakers with GR Research designed crossovers, you are missing out on what your speakers are actually capable of. Detailed review of the improvements at the GR site, soon. Danny & Hobbs my go to guys for all my audio needs from now on. Leveled up to a level I had never heard before. Exciting days in my audio journey, Thanks to both of you. Shout out to Frederick out in Cali (Danny's recommended crossover builder) Amazing job.
If you look at Andrews listening room that pretty much says it all.
@@dannyrichie9743 ...and also thanks for helping me get my room right. Now that I'm an actual customer, I get an unlimited amount of dumb questions right?
@@lexicon612 No question is a dumb question.
I can't stand that schmoozy bastard and his cheesy video thumbnails.
These were typically my least favorite speakers in the Klipsch line. There always seemed to be an odd resonance emitted from the speaker. It was an upper bass bulge that made the lower bass seem weak.
They also seemed a little shouty in the midrange in the listening room I was in. I think the little bulge around 1,500 hz is where that shouty nature comes out, since I was standing above the tweeter axis quite a bit.
Yes and I fitted copper binding posts too
I like the Cornwall. They may not be perfect in smoothness. But, boy do they raise hell. I like its “in your face” sound.
Nice upgrade. How about a shop tour?
Soon. Let us get moved in a little better.
Hi Mate. Love your work. I have got a lot of Peerless speakers that have never been used. I would love to find out what i can do with them. Would like to here from you . Cheers. I am in Australia.
Hi Danny, another excellent video! Have you ever done Tannoy Westminster Speakers. Would be curious on your findings.
I am the owner of Cornwall threes. I like to experiment. I recently got hold of a three-way crossover with time alignment digital and I hooked it up to my system and I had the appropriate amplifiers and the sound was absolutely amazing. So I'm just wondering can't a lot of speakers that are out of phase of having all these issues and not being crossed over right use an electronic crossover can somebody out there or you yourself give me some insight?😮
You can only partially fix physical time alignment issues. You can fix it for one listening axis, but it does not fix the alignment off axis. Think about it and it becomes obvious. That said, time alignment, while not meaningless, is over hyped, at the delay periods we're generally talking about.
you can't fix "transparency" or lack there of.
I'm sure this has come up before but it would be nice to hear samples. I'm familiar with the reasons why not but others do it and it's very helpful.
Great video. You say so much more than what you say. First to validate what my ears have always heard from Klipsch. Second to provide measurements that explain/ expose what other more subjective reviewers use to describe what they are hearing. "Detail" and "dynamics" which are often used to describe these speakers in reviews is actually pointing out it's failures that enhance some otherwise lessor recordings and or more than should be expected at levels we loose sensitivity in.
Been waiting for this day for three years! Too bad it isn’t the 4
I just dont understand how such an expensive pair of speakers can use so much upgrade. For the price you pay for a speaker like that, you would think they play as good as they can, but nono. That is just unbelievable.
Great content. Would love to see an assessment of Focal 936, or similar Focal speaker.
I never thought I’d see the day Danny reviewed and didn’t completely shit on horns lmao
The smaller Heresy 3 measured fairly well too, but the customer decided against upgrading them so we never developed a kit for it. But it has a lot of the same construction issues and cheap parts seen in the Forte and Cornwall models.
Horns (NOT these particular horns) are the best speaker design that exists in the world. But you need the right geometry, compression driver, and EQ. But the effects of increasing acoustical impedance and gaining free spl, playing lower with a smaller driver, pays incredible dividends in distortion and dynamics. Realism and precision. A properly designed and implemented horn has no inherent horn honk at all, ONLY all the benefits. Only potential downside, depending on your preference, is a partially/somewhat narrower dispersion pattern.
When I see a speaker I already know what Dan is going to say right down to the tube connectors.