Wow! I was not expecting this but I am glad that you disscussed this, not just my video but this topic itself. The whole purpose of my video was to get people to atleast try Mudrunner. I agree with everything you said TC also I want to let you know that I've been following you since spintires days and I respect you for what you did and keep doing for this community.
I would also like to talk about this topic by making such a video, since I have been playing Snowrunner for two years now and sometimes I play Mudrunner and that is why I noticed then that in terms of graphics and physics they are compared to GTA 4 and GTA 5
That's honestly amazing to hear! I thought you brought up a bunch of really good points in your video and I really wanted to add my own thoughts to it!
It is not possible to transfer the physics from Mud to Snowrunner. Snowrunner is a complete different engine while Spin/Mud is an self written engine (VEE) from Pavel with an hard modified Havok Physics SDK. Snowrunners Swarm Engine is an multi purpose Engine for different kind of games. Looks better but can not handle the physics
I always speculated Saber made the physics more arcadey so to say to appeal to more of the casual gamer and attract a bigger audience. Where maybe they felt the more so offroad simulation of MudRunner appealed to a more limited crowd.
Nah. The marketing was all about the realism of the terrain deformation and action. It’s the main reason to pick Runner series over ATS/ETS really. Realistic physics sells in this genre, even if we rarely have any real way of confirming/falsifying that assertion. Look at the massive popularity of BeamNG , much of it because off-roaming activities. But BeamNG in comparison to Snowrunner lacks deforming terrain, the sort of “story”/missions SR has, and SR just plain looks more beautiful. But I digress. Realism sells in ‘Runner’s niche. What I’m saying is, the perception of realism sells, to the point I swear some sims make it HARDER than reality just to please their fanbase.
I think when the next snowrunner/mudrunner game comes out they create a massive game, combining snow runner, farming, simulator, and hunter call of the wild all in one giant game
From my experience: In MudRunner, vehicles felt like really heavy and realistic. When you drove the 7310, you felt that it was a super heavy piece of metal. In SnowRunner, all vehicles feel the same. I don't know how to better describe this, sorry. I think that's something that has to do with the physics. Another thing is SnowRunner feels too arcade-ish. Every vehicle shares the same add ons, and they feel way too off on some vehicles. In MudRunner every vehicle's add-ons, were special. You knew you had to choose that vehicle, because it had that add-on, and that add-on, looked like it was actually made for that specific vehicle and only, if you know what i mean. SnowRunner's graphics are of course a million times better than those of MuRunner's. In MudRunner, the colors looked too washed out for some reason. AND last but not least, if we ever see a sequel, i hope it's in Unreal Engine 5.
An Australian outback with vast spaces, with you navigating through a changing landscape: where one place might just be bone dry and easy to traverse through, can turn in a unaccessable part due to flood rains.. and treacherous mudpits afterwards...
I agree, the trucks and scouts feel too light weight as well as the cargo and ironically, scouts are weak because they still sink too much in mud, eventhough they are too much light weight already
We needs snow&mud runner, game which combines most of the physics (not you branches, flipping over 1,5 tons heavy scouts) and attention to details from mudrunner with complexity of deliveries from snowrunner WITH some extra customization eg permanently removing trees or rocks or paving roads to improve local paths.
0:10 Yes, I remember this video on his channel. I also left a comment there about the fact that Mudrunner and Snowrunner are similar in graphics like GTA 4 and GTA 5 because they are very similar (this is the top comment on his video)
I agree about the MR physics, lots of flex an stability, snowrunner I flop so easy it's maddening, one thing I'd absolutely get rid of are the damn loose rocks! Too many rocks in every SR map, it's seriously gotta be a troll at this point
Dude every map and every trail is a troll. It's a bit ridiculous at times. Theyll have a perfectly normal road need a bridge or have the trail at such an angle you have to do some stupid winching trick to get past. It takes the fun of out it for me to be real. Love the game but I wish simple stuff wasn't such a damn chore. The bridges are really just too much imo. Every fcking map has multiple bridges out!?! In wisconsin it doesn't even make any sense
@Cody Machado I 100% agree, if we could legit repair them that'd be fine, but the game feels post apocalyptic, an I wish our trucks were made out of whatever the hell those trees are made of! No way a downed tree should stop a fully loaded semi going Mach Jesus! An don't get me started of the signs made out of Unobtainanium! I had one flip a truck Dark Knight style sending a load of pipes flying, i was laughing so hard I forgot to save the clip
I don't think Mudrunner 2 would be such a good idea. Look at how the Need For Speed community constantly asks for a remaster of Underground 2 or Most Wanted '05, if they got what they wanted, they would still complain about how it's not as good as the original. And I think the exact same thing can be said for Mudrunner. If Sabre Interactive ever did make such a game, the pure grip on the nostalgia of the original would kill it before any decent update could build on the formula. What i do think would be a good idea is a new entry with a new focus. Maybe the next game could step into American Truck Simulator territory and go for a more highway hauler type attitude, maybe something you said about there being a Sand Runner being a good addition? Either way, only bad comments and pure nostalgia gripping hate would come to Sabre Interactive if they ever made Mudrunner 2. Its just like you said in your previous video on the VS ATV series.
coming from a person like you who’s played both i 100 percent agree with this video now granted i never got to play mud runner with mods but still have played it i would have to agree with you
I brought up that very same issue in a discord post some months ago about the air and electrical cables for the trailers!!! So glad you brought this up brother
It is pretty much why I still haven't got into Snowrunner since it was released. I'm certainly not a blindless fanboy of Spintires/Mudrunner, but they got the physics right. Bring that into Snowrunner (I like what they have done with the game tho) and they would won me over for sure. I just wish it could be as simple as changing a simple parameter: physics=0.1 to physics=1.0. Thing is, Snowrunner feels like earth gravity is at 50%...
I never thought that I'd hear MudRunner 2. Man, MudRunner is a fun off-roaders game in general. However, my dad had a different opinion. He hated the camera angles so much that he threw the game out. MudRunner was so fun to play, even with the weird camera angles. I never got to play SpinTires. Honestly, I think the creators of these games should put SpinTires, MudRunner, and SnowRunner into a bundle and then sell it so that everyone can experience all the games without needing to make three different purchases. And, I also think that MudRunner should make a comeback.
Let's also keep in mind, mudrunner logging trucks folded up like real log trucks! They don't do that in snowrunner for some reason and it's disappointing.
I see this in all these vids, particularly about the wires on trailers, or articulating saddles, etc. But I can see one big reason for the physics changing so much between games as an effort to optimize the game to run smoother on more machines. Physics are very processing heavy in games, so removing little things that are physics enabled, like wires or making saddles static, across the board can make large changes in optimization. This would also include suspension and the like. Snowrunner is more like a game, mudrunner is geared more like a sim.
I think that the modification system in sr is good but not the tires : 1. they should have unique aspects that changes the way you drive the truck (maybe thinner ones or sphere shape ones... with pros and cons) would add variety in gameplay style as well as replayability and would take away any meta 2. no need for highway tires (maybe all terrain which should be very cheap and made to drive mainly on good conditions roads for refuelling your trucks and garages or light cargo missions. off road and mud tires should be for heavy cargo transport) 3. we need unique tire sets for each truck to add variety in the game (it can have similarity with same brand trucks) : all terrain / off road / mud (3 to 4 sets, doens't need to have 10s of 1000s) 4. we also need to have the possibility to change the tire pressure of our tires (while beeing outside of the garage like spintires and expedition) 5. Finally I think that small scout vehicules are weak even with very good tires because of the lack of mud mechanics with weight and tire pressure adjustments. it should really take inspiration from mudrunner and spintires where small scouts (even with non adapted tires) can still perform in mud because they are light and don't sink deeply in the mud
Vehicles in Mudrunner felt like they had WEIGHT and mass. And the terrain under your tyres had support for that weight and mass until you did something stupid. And the terrain you drove on actually mattered, and the shape of the ground under you actually mattered. Terrain deformation actually matters, and driving on parts that have less deformation actually means you get better clearance and grip. In contrast, in Snowrunner the vehicles feel light and stiff, and the terrain feels like youre driving on paper. And once that paper rips and you sink into the terrain, be it gravel, sand, mud, swamp, snow or whatever, once you lose grip on the "too easy" layer youre bottomed out and crawling in the "too hard" layer, and if you have anything but offroad, mud, or chain tyres youre just stuck. It doesnt matter where you put your wheels, the shape of the terrain doesnt provide you with any feedback, and youre always on "thin ice" whenever you have grip. All the terrain deformation is cosmetic and doesnt actually affect the driving. In snowrunner driving just sucks. Having to drive is a chore, not an adventure like it was in Mudrunner. Ive still logged more hours into Snowrunner, because im still searching for the point in the game where it becomes fun. Where is my fun? Probably in the next Mudrunner game that Snowrunner thankfully has now made possible. Having a lowball cashgrab appeal to the masses game has made it possible to produce the next GREAT Spintires game. Now Sabre just has to sit down and make Mudrunner 2
Totally agree, but i think that there is no need to release another Game, the graphicks in snowrunner are okay, only i wish if they will bring back some of the mudrunner physicks, one of the problem of snowrunner is that the tires physicks dont deformate properly too, the sounds, no manual gearshift, but i think these thing would be added
I own and have played both Spintires and Mudrunner, but did not notice the difference right away. Looking at it now though, I do agree that the terrain deformation is bit too glitchy in Snowrunner.
Likely hood of expeditions being better physics is very low.... My theory why snowrunner has a downgrade is because of the layer of customization. The more features and gadgets in the game the less likely you are to see a very intimate physics model. GTA 4 vs GTA 5, Bf1 vs bf 2042 the list goes on the reality is, most people want graphics and progression, something like your tires being perfectly flush with the terrain is something that the true fans notice but usually isn't the selling point to a bigger audience. They want a fun game that looks good more often then not.
We need thi game to be a community game like farm sim where more people can join soo it can have that more emersive some bring supply other brings big trucks for work etc /sorry if what i wrote doesnt make sense my main language is spanish \
I've been playing Snowrunner as my first title in this series. I realized there was MudRunner afterwards but the graphics downgrade from my Snowrunner experience to MudRunner put me off so I didn't play it. However, I recently discovered the Adega graphics overhaul mod and its a game changer. I would like for you to show a video of MudRunner with Adega so it can entice people like myself to give MudRunner a shot. I'm really liking it but so far its been just logging.
I would like to see more npc background movement. You build all these bridges and clear all these roads but somehow you are the only one driving around.
They need to bring back the mud build up on the tires. Always loved cleaning my truck in the rivers after deep mudding. Also please make tow suspensions less bouncy. Stiff but not bouncy stiff
Mud Runner is the Beam NG of the 4x4 world, But then Beam NG got a really good 4x4 on physics section, And then Mud Runner is bad ass, And I am a Sim Racer at heart.. Can you jump into Mud Runner using the Quest 2, Mud Runner would be a huge amounts of better in VR, If you can do Dirt Rally in VR, And DR2 is damn amazing using the Quest 2, I really do want the Quest 3 now, So if anyone is thinking of getting a Quest, Just get the Quest 3 if you can, Meta have opened a whole new world with the Quest, The stand alone VR can only get better and better now, I would find it hard now to back to Sim Racing on the screen, I got Dirt Rally 2 looking fantastic last night, And got a 1ms on the steam VR, I had 3ms the other night, But VR would make this the perfect open world 4X4 that can be used as other DLC's as they do, lol..... Yeah VR would make Mud Runner bad ass... It was only a few quid the other day, I only payed 4 pounds for Mud Runner, And yes the Psysics is bad ass in Mud Runner, Like I said, Mud Runner is like Beam NG.... So can you do Mud Runner in VR?
Frames in real life dont bend with such little load as they do in mudrunner, so its still not great regardless. Idk if you're testing with heavy addons installed, but within the last 3 days I ended up unintentially parking the Ford CLT9000 diagonally in a ditch, and I could very clearly notice the center of the cab didn't line up with the center of the boom on the large crane addon. There is frame flex, it just requires a reason in the form of a heavy load to actually start twisting (of which SD1ONE never tested). Lastly as an example, if you take the superheavy semi trailer and add 4 metal beams or concrete slabs, it will noticably twist and turn with terrain. Suspension in MR can be a bit much sometimes. Not every truck is a military grade offroader, so sometimes its not exactly designed to travel the very edge of a mountain or hill with a lot of rocks. Yes I can say from experience the suspension in SR can be a bit stiff. Hauler trucks are not meant to have soft suspensions, and with many older trucks, they were more stiff than nowadays, always using leaf springs and many without shocks. Trucks like the chevrolet Kodiak C70 used these outdated suspensions. So, all in all they made SR trucks more real in terms of exact performence, rather than arcadey with enormous, unnatural levels of frame flex and suspension travel
@@bazokas_5 Bro, you failed to reply to my last comment on SD's post, so unless you suddenly have a good, logical counterargument, there's still no reason to trust or believe what you think a frame should do
@@bazokas_5 Again, I have never mentioned nor compared physics outside of MR and SR; simply stated the realities of the physics between them. And also I have no say about Need for Speed physics as I've never played it
@@Gracefulwarrior2124 look english is not my native lenguage and It costs to me a lot of effort to argue these things, in mudrunner the frame flex could be a little high in some cases, but on the other hand its better than nothing like in snowrunner vehicles, not in all, but there are too rigid, pour suspensión travels, sounds... Etc, they could give to us an uptade thats brings these charcateristics, because i think they have a solution
No, we don't need Mudrunner 2. We need polished Snowrunner + more maps, more trucks, more addons, more features and bigger mission variety. This is a trucking game for a god sake, not a RPG! Look at SCS Software and ETS2. ETS2 is more than 10 years old and differences between first version and current one are absolutely gigantic. I hope Saber do the same with Snowrunner. And yes, I am not a fan of making redundant sequels because community thinks that couple of things needed to be changed means making new game, while the same effect you can get by patching and expanding existing product You are talking about better and more realistic physics, right? So... it can be added as a feature like New Game Plus, when players can change between "simplified" and "realistic" drive model. And that's all. No new game, same big content, huge amount of money and work hours saved. Now you can beat again the same maps with different experiences, like MR. Is this satisfy you? It should...
Fucking yess, snowrunner is a very good idea, but it is not optimized, the driving in a lot of cases seem arcade and I think that is not the way of the Game, hope if we can see more weight and better suspensions in a future
The lack of trailers and other elements is negligence. As for physics, it was an option for performance, and to make the game more accessible, not to be a niche game, and I think it worked. SnowRunner is more in evidence with more people playing.
I skipped Mudrrunner because lack of cockpit gauges and Americana. Sounds like a combo of the two is needed. Until something supports Moza I’m out of Runner anyhow
They gonna make an revamped version of the wilds same trucks and with the old timers with the three USA maps as an region the older timers with new sounds the rest can have their old sounds but with new horns I gonna see that as season 11
Not that the story is super important but when the trailer released for SR it was a voice mail from the guys wife I wanna know what happend to that also for the final DLC/map we should go back to wear he came from to help his family and town from a disaster that happend just a thought would love to know what you think TC
I'm just so disappointed with how they had all the physics and sounds and everything from Mudrunner and SpinTires, yet they didn't use any of it, and decided to instead dumb down the physics (probably to make it more accessible) and make the game sounds (truck engines, foliage, etc.) really poor quality, I really hope they step it up for the next game, otherwise I'm done with this series Edit: Thanks for speaking on this topic, hopefully the devs watch this video and take notes about what we want
Snowrunners truck Physics are far more realistic than Mudrunners trash, a truck with soft enough suspension for the flex you all want wouldn't be able to haul any weight.
To be honest, I kinda disagree with the frame flex stuff. Now sure there is some frame flex on IRL trucks but if they were to flex as much as they do in MudRunner, it'd mean that your frame is broken. Now sure as a game mechanic it was great, but it never was realistic or authentic. A bit of frame flex wouldn't hurt SnowRunner, but if they do implement it I hope they don't do it like MudRunner.
I dont get why we still cant color custom every addon yet.. and yeh, if you ever been offroad irl you know how sad snowrunner is compared to mudrunner.
I enjoy the drive and simple tasks in mudrunner. Snowrunner has too many bells and whistles to make it more arcady. It kinda ruins the sense of satisfaction and fun with multiplayer. I ownboth snowrunner and mudrunner. i have 8000 hours in mudrunner. i could not get past 200 hours in snowrunner. it doesnt pull me at all.
I don't enjoy anymore the physics in snowrunner because it's too arcady as you said, especially when you compare it with mudrunner gameplay and it pisses me off
Snowrunner is better than Mudrunner. Maps are too small in Mudrunner, graphics not so good, less trucks, less cargo, less missions, less everything. Mudrunner was a good warm up to Snowrunner
I would say Snowrunner is better in that way, but Mudrunner has better physics (which I consider to be the most important in any driving game), better sounds and better addons (more specialised)
Wow! I was not expecting this but I am glad that you disscussed this, not just my video but this topic itself. The whole purpose of my video was to get people to atleast try Mudrunner. I agree with everything you said TC also I want to let you know that I've been following you since spintires days and I respect you for what you did and keep doing for this community.
I would also like to talk about this topic by making such a video, since I have been playing Snowrunner for two years now and sometimes I play Mudrunner and that is why I noticed then that in terms of graphics and physics they are compared to GTA 4 and GTA 5
That's honestly amazing to hear! I thought you brought up a bunch of really good points in your video and I really wanted to add my own thoughts to it!
rather than make a mud-runner 2 they need to make a runner 3, an overhaul of snow-runner while also adding new features that the community wants.
It is not possible to transfer the physics from Mud to Snowrunner. Snowrunner is a complete different engine while Spin/Mud is an self written engine (VEE) from Pavel with an hard modified Havok Physics SDK. Snowrunners Swarm Engine is an multi purpose Engine for different kind of games. Looks better but can not handle the physics
But snow runner sucks compared. Bigger maps and better graphics don't make up for the loss in realistic physics.
I always speculated Saber made the physics more arcadey so to say to appeal to more of the casual gamer and attract a bigger audience. Where maybe they felt the more so offroad simulation of MudRunner appealed to a more limited crowd.
Nah. The marketing was all about the realism of the terrain deformation and action. It’s the main reason to pick Runner series over ATS/ETS really. Realistic physics sells in this genre, even if we rarely have any real way of confirming/falsifying that assertion. Look at the massive popularity of BeamNG , much of it because off-roaming activities. But BeamNG in comparison to Snowrunner lacks deforming terrain, the sort of “story”/missions SR has, and SR just plain looks more beautiful. But I digress. Realism sells in ‘Runner’s niche. What I’m saying is, the perception of realism sells, to the point I swear some sims make it HARDER than reality just to please their fanbase.
The lack of tire grip on roads is pretty bad in snowrunner aswell, still a great game though.
Easy to mod or find a mod to make it more realistic!
Tire grip on roads is bad in mudrunner aswell
I think when the next snowrunner/mudrunner game comes out they create a massive game, combining snow runner, farming, simulator, and hunter call of the wild all in one giant game
From my experience: In MudRunner, vehicles felt like really heavy and realistic. When you drove the 7310, you felt that it was a super heavy piece of metal. In SnowRunner, all vehicles feel the same. I don't know how to better describe this, sorry. I think that's something that has to do with the physics. Another thing is SnowRunner feels too arcade-ish. Every vehicle shares the same add ons, and they feel way too off on some vehicles. In MudRunner every vehicle's add-ons, were special. You knew you had to choose that vehicle, because it had that add-on, and that add-on, looked like it was actually made for that specific vehicle and only, if you know what i mean. SnowRunner's graphics are of course a million times better than those of MuRunner's. In MudRunner, the colors looked too washed out for some reason. AND last but not least, if we ever see a sequel, i hope it's in Unreal Engine 5.
An Australian outback with vast spaces, with you navigating through a changing landscape: where one place might just be bone dry and easy to traverse through, can turn in a unaccessable part due to flood rains.. and treacherous mudpits afterwards...
Honestly i feel that mudrunner feels more heavy, like the weight if the trucks feels more realistic than in snowrunner
I agree, the trucks and scouts feel too light weight as well as the cargo
and ironically, scouts are weak because they still sink too much in mud, eventhough they are too much light weight already
We needs snow&mud runner, game which combines most of the physics (not you branches, flipping over 1,5 tons heavy scouts) and attention to details from mudrunner with complexity of deliveries from snowrunner WITH some extra customization eg permanently removing trees or rocks or paving roads to improve local paths.
0:10 Yes, I remember this video on his channel. I also left a comment there about the fact that Mudrunner and Snowrunner are similar in graphics like GTA 4 and GTA 5 because they are very similar (this is the top comment on his video)
I agree about the MR physics, lots of flex an stability, snowrunner I flop so easy it's maddening, one thing I'd absolutely get rid of are the damn loose rocks! Too many rocks in every SR map, it's seriously gotta be a troll at this point
Dude every map and every trail is a troll. It's a bit ridiculous at times. Theyll have a perfectly normal road need a bridge or have the trail at such an angle you have to do some stupid winching trick to get past. It takes the fun of out it for me to be real. Love the game but I wish simple stuff wasn't such a damn chore. The bridges are really just too much imo. Every fcking map has multiple bridges out!?! In wisconsin it doesn't even make any sense
@Cody Machado I 100% agree, if we could legit repair them that'd be fine, but the game feels post apocalyptic, an I wish our trucks were made out of whatever the hell those trees are made of! No way a downed tree should stop a fully loaded semi going Mach Jesus! An don't get me started of the signs made out of Unobtainanium! I had one flip a truck Dark Knight style sending a load of pipes flying, i was laughing so hard I forgot to save the clip
I don't think Mudrunner 2 would be such a good idea. Look at how the Need For Speed community constantly asks for a remaster of Underground 2 or Most Wanted '05, if they got what they wanted, they would still complain about how it's not as good as the original. And I think the exact same thing can be said for Mudrunner. If Sabre Interactive ever did make such a game, the pure grip on the nostalgia of the original would kill it before any decent update could build on the formula. What i do think would be a good idea is a new entry with a new focus. Maybe the next game could step into American Truck Simulator territory and go for a more highway hauler type attitude, maybe something you said about there being a Sand Runner being a good addition? Either way, only bad comments and pure nostalgia gripping hate would come to Sabre Interactive if they ever made Mudrunner 2. Its just like you said in your previous video on the VS ATV series.
coming from a person like you who’s played both i 100 percent agree with this video now granted i never got to play mud runner with mods but still have played it i would have to agree with you
And a redo of road physics. Imagine a map that’s like 5 times larger with both on and off road hauling.
I brought up that very same issue in a discord post some months ago about the air and electrical cables for the trailers!!! So glad you brought this up brother
It is pretty much why I still haven't got into Snowrunner since it was released. I'm certainly not a blindless fanboy of Spintires/Mudrunner, but they got the physics right. Bring that into Snowrunner (I like what they have done with the game tho) and they would won me over for sure. I just wish it could be as simple as changing a simple parameter: physics=0.1 to physics=1.0. Thing is, Snowrunner feels like earth gravity is at 50%...
I never thought that I'd hear MudRunner 2. Man, MudRunner is a fun off-roaders game in general. However, my dad had a different opinion. He hated the camera angles so much that he threw the game out. MudRunner was so fun to play, even with the weird camera angles. I never got to play SpinTires. Honestly, I think the creators of these games should put SpinTires, MudRunner, and SnowRunner into a bundle and then sell it so that everyone can experience all the games without needing to make three different purchases. And, I also think that MudRunner should make a comeback.
Let's also keep in mind, mudrunner logging trucks folded up like real log trucks! They don't do that in snowrunner for some reason and it's disappointing.
I know people enjoy the mudding and everything, but what about a "the deadliest roads" game. That would be awesome too.
I see this in all these vids, particularly about the wires on trailers, or articulating saddles, etc. But I can see one big reason for the physics changing so much between games as an effort to optimize the game to run smoother on more machines. Physics are very processing heavy in games, so removing little things that are physics enabled, like wires or making saddles static, across the board can make large changes in optimization. This would also include suspension and the like. Snowrunner is more like a game, mudrunner is geared more like a sim.
I'm late to the game but 💯 yes!!
I played MudRunner and always wanted more!! SnowRunner allows that fantasy WITH the possibility of operator error!
I think that the modification system in sr is good but not the tires :
1. they should have unique aspects that changes the way you drive the truck (maybe thinner ones or sphere shape ones... with pros and cons) would add variety in gameplay style as well as replayability and would take away any meta
2. no need for highway tires (maybe all terrain which should be very cheap and made to drive mainly on good conditions roads for refuelling your trucks and garages or light cargo missions. off road and mud tires should be for heavy cargo transport)
3. we need unique tire sets for each truck to add variety in the game (it can have similarity with same brand trucks) : all terrain / off road / mud (3 to 4 sets, doens't need to have 10s of 1000s)
4. we also need to have the possibility to change the tire pressure of our tires (while beeing outside of the garage like spintires and expedition)
5. Finally I think that small scout vehicules are weak even with very good tires because of the lack of mud mechanics with weight and tire pressure adjustments. it should really take inspiration from mudrunner and spintires where small scouts (even with non adapted tires) can still perform in mud because they are light and don't sink deeply in the mud
Vehicles in Mudrunner felt like they had WEIGHT and mass. And the terrain under your tyres had support for that weight and mass until you did something stupid. And the terrain you drove on actually mattered, and the shape of the ground under you actually mattered. Terrain deformation actually matters, and driving on parts that have less deformation actually means you get better clearance and grip.
In contrast, in Snowrunner the vehicles feel light and stiff, and the terrain feels like youre driving on paper. And once that paper rips and you sink into the terrain, be it gravel, sand, mud, swamp, snow or whatever, once you lose grip on the "too easy" layer youre bottomed out and crawling in the "too hard" layer, and if you have anything but offroad, mud, or chain tyres youre just stuck.
It doesnt matter where you put your wheels, the shape of the terrain doesnt provide you with any feedback, and youre always on "thin ice" whenever you have grip. All the terrain deformation is cosmetic and doesnt actually affect the driving. In snowrunner driving just sucks. Having to drive is a chore, not an adventure like it was in Mudrunner.
Ive still logged more hours into Snowrunner, because im still searching for the point in the game where it becomes fun.
Where is my fun? Probably in the next Mudrunner game that Snowrunner thankfully has now made possible.
Having a lowball cashgrab appeal to the masses game has made it possible to produce the next GREAT Spintires game. Now Sabre just has to sit down and make Mudrunner 2
Totally agree, but i think that there is no need to release another Game, the graphicks in snowrunner are okay, only i wish if they will bring back some of the mudrunner physicks, one of the problem of snowrunner is that the tires physicks dont deformate properly too, the sounds, no manual gearshift, but i think these thing would be added
@@bazokas_5 the physics engine of Snowrunner needs to be completely remade. Thats only going to work with a totally new game sadly.
@@vadenummela9353 hmm It could be yes...
Yes. Thank you. Finally someone else says what I have been saying for 3 years now.
I love your videos. I’ve been watching them since I was six keep up the good work.
I started in snowrunner but I have played mud runner and I don’t mind all the differences
I own and have played both Spintires and Mudrunner, but did not notice the difference right away. Looking at it now though, I do agree that the terrain deformation is bit too glitchy in Snowrunner.
Likely hood of expeditions being better physics is very low.... My theory why snowrunner has a downgrade is because of the layer of customization. The more features and gadgets in the game the less likely you are to see a very intimate physics model. GTA 4 vs GTA 5, Bf1 vs bf 2042 the list goes on the reality is, most people want graphics and progression, something like your tires being perfectly flush with the terrain is something that the true fans notice but usually isn't the selling point to a bigger audience. They want a fun game that looks good more often then not.
i bought the 6th mudrunner left in my country (Aus). i an very happy.
We need thi game to be a community game like farm sim where more people can join soo it can have that more emersive some bring supply other brings big trucks for work etc /sorry if what i wrote doesnt make sense my main language is spanish \
TC Runner!! I agree with yah, having played all but spintires...
I've been playing Snowrunner as my first title in this series. I realized there was MudRunner afterwards but the graphics downgrade from my Snowrunner experience to MudRunner put me off so I didn't play it. However, I recently discovered the Adega graphics overhaul mod and its a game changer. I would like for you to show a video of MudRunner with Adega so it can entice people like myself to give MudRunner a shot. I'm really liking it but so far its been just logging.
I would like to see more npc background movement. You build all these bridges and clear all these roads but somehow you are the only one driving around.
Good Afternoon My Good Bro Tom Cat 😺
They need to bring back the mud build up on the tires. Always loved cleaning my truck in the rivers after deep mudding. Also please make tow suspensions less bouncy. Stiff but not bouncy stiff
Mud Runner is the Beam NG of the 4x4 world, But then Beam NG got a really good 4x4 on physics section, And then Mud Runner is bad ass, And I am a Sim Racer at heart..
Can you jump into Mud Runner using the Quest 2, Mud Runner would be a huge amounts of better in VR, If you can do Dirt Rally in VR, And DR2 is damn amazing using the Quest 2, I really do want the Quest 3 now, So if anyone is thinking of getting a Quest, Just get the Quest 3 if you can, Meta have opened a whole new world with the Quest, The stand alone VR can only get better and better now, I would find it hard now to back to Sim Racing on the screen, I got Dirt Rally 2 looking fantastic last night, And got a 1ms on the steam VR, I had 3ms the other night, But VR would make this the perfect open world 4X4 that can be used as other DLC's as they do, lol.....
Yeah VR would make Mud Runner bad ass...
It was only a few quid the other day, I only payed 4 pounds for Mud Runner, And yes the Psysics is bad ass in Mud Runner, Like I said, Mud Runner is like Beam NG....
So can you do Mud Runner in VR?
I'd rather them bring the physics that made Mudrunner good into Snowrunner rather than creating an entirely new game.
Frames in real life dont bend with such little load as they do in mudrunner, so its still not great regardless. Idk if you're testing with heavy addons installed, but within the last 3 days I ended up unintentially parking the Ford CLT9000 diagonally in a ditch, and I could very clearly notice the center of the cab didn't line up with the center of the boom on the large crane addon. There is frame flex, it just requires a reason in the form of a heavy load to actually start twisting (of which SD1ONE never tested). Lastly as an example, if you take the superheavy semi trailer and add 4 metal beams or concrete slabs, it will noticably twist and turn with terrain.
Suspension in MR can be a bit much sometimes. Not every truck is a military grade offroader, so sometimes its not exactly designed to travel the very edge of a mountain or hill with a lot of rocks. Yes I can say from experience the suspension in SR can be a bit stiff. Hauler trucks are not meant to have soft suspensions, and with many older trucks, they were more stiff than nowadays, always using leaf springs and many without shocks. Trucks like the chevrolet Kodiak C70 used these outdated suspensions. So, all in all they made SR trucks more real in terms of exact performence, rather than arcadey with enormous, unnatural levels of frame flex and suspension travel
No thats not real, you have no reason
@@bazokas_5 Bro, you failed to reply to my last comment on SD's post, so unless you suddenly have a good, logical counterargument, there's still no reason to trust or believe what you think a frame should do
@@Gracefulwarrior2124 for your coment you can agree with me that a need for speed Game has a better physicks than mudrunner
@@bazokas_5 Again, I have never mentioned nor compared physics outside of MR and SR; simply stated the realities of the physics between them. And also I have no say about Need for Speed physics as I've never played it
@@Gracefulwarrior2124 look english is not my native lenguage and It costs to me a lot of effort to argue these things, in mudrunner the frame flex could be a little high in some cases, but on the other hand its better than nothing like in snowrunner vehicles, not in all, but there are too rigid, pour suspensión travels, sounds... Etc, they could give to us an uptade thats brings these charcateristics, because i think they have a solution
No, we don't need Mudrunner 2. We need polished Snowrunner + more maps, more trucks, more addons, more features and bigger mission variety. This is a trucking game for a god sake, not a RPG! Look at SCS Software and ETS2. ETS2 is more than 10 years old and differences between first version and current one are absolutely gigantic. I hope Saber do the same with Snowrunner. And yes, I am not a fan of making redundant sequels because community thinks that couple of things needed to be changed means making new game, while the same effect you can get by patching and expanding existing product
You are talking about better and more realistic physics, right? So... it can be added as a feature like New Game Plus, when players can change between "simplified" and "realistic" drive model. And that's all. No new game, same big content, huge amount of money and work hours saved. Now you can beat again the same maps with different experiences, like MR. Is this satisfy you? It should...
Fucking yess, snowrunner is a very good idea, but it is not optimized, the driving in a lot of cases seem arcade and I think that is not the way of the Game, hope if we can see more weight and better suspensions in a future
The lack of trailers and other elements is negligence.
As for physics, it was an option for performance, and to make the game more accessible, not to be a niche game, and I think it worked.
SnowRunner is more in evidence with more people playing.
When are you and dieseladdicted66 going to go live on here???
I found your videos much easier to handle with the closed caption on while muting.
I skipped Mudrrunner because lack of cockpit gauges and Americana. Sounds like a combo of the two is needed. Until something supports Moza I’m out of Runner anyhow
more offroad outlaws please
They gonna make an revamped version of the wilds same trucks and with the old timers with the three USA maps as an region the older timers with new sounds the rest can have their old sounds but with new horns I gonna see that as season 11
Great video.
Oh, if pavement in snow runner would be more realistic then what it is now I would be totally down to play it a lot more. Do you need to fix the pave
I agree with you
Not that the story is super important but when the trailer released for SR it was a voice mail from the guys wife I wanna know what happend to that also for the final DLC/map we should go back to wear he came from to help his family and town from a disaster that happend just a thought would love to know what you think TC
I'm just so disappointed with how they had all the physics and sounds and everything from Mudrunner and SpinTires, yet they didn't use any of it, and decided to instead dumb down the physics (probably to make it more accessible) and make the game sounds (truck engines, foliage, etc.) really poor quality, I really hope they step it up for the next game, otherwise I'm done with this series
Edit: Thanks for speaking on this topic, hopefully the devs watch this video and take notes about what we want
Totally agree with you 👍🏾
What if unreal engine 5.2 combined with snowrunner??
Hey Tc phase 10 looks great
We do need a new snowrunner or mudrunner or a completely new runner game and because of next gen consoles mods
With the level 30 thing is stupid they should have added another 30 levels when 5,6,7,8 season came out either for free or with the season pass
There was no update for the xbox series x connection loss or crashing I'm so done now. It really takes this long to fix a game.😮💨
I need mudrunner in farming
We still need a working Xbox co-op
I'm finally back in the #earlysquad
Snowrunners truck Physics are far more realistic than Mudrunners trash, a truck with soft enough suspension for the flex you all want wouldn't be able to haul any weight.
To be honest, I kinda disagree with the frame flex stuff.
Now sure there is some frame flex on IRL trucks but if they were to flex as much as they do in MudRunner, it'd mean that your frame is broken.
Now sure as a game mechanic it was great, but it never was realistic or authentic.
A bit of frame flex wouldn't hurt SnowRunner, but if they do implement it I hope they don't do it like MudRunner.
Mudrunner is Snowrunner first name before it came out
Who told you that?
Sandrunner
Can they make mudrunner mods for console?
They could but they won't.
They could bring us the option at least
can u do off-road outlaws
I dont get why we still cant color custom every addon yet.. and yeh, if you ever been offroad irl you know how sad snowrunner is compared to mudrunner.
I enjoy the drive and simple tasks in mudrunner. Snowrunner has too many bells and whistles to make it more arcady. It kinda ruins the sense of satisfaction and fun with multiplayer. I ownboth snowrunner and mudrunner. i have 8000 hours in mudrunner. i could not get past 200 hours in snowrunner. it doesnt pull me at all.
I don't enjoy anymore the physics in snowrunner because it's too arcady as you said, especially when you compare it with mudrunner gameplay and it pisses me off
And give console players mods, which we didnt have on MudRunner 🙂
Hello
Que es mudrunner 2
Wow
if you could only play one for the rest of your life in the state we are now.... wich one ?
I really love the game but it's taking too long to get fixed.
Please do a no limit livestream with oopen lobbys😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😮😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Early gang, hey TC
Early gang
Early gang
Snowrunner is better than Mudrunner. Maps are too small in Mudrunner, graphics not so good, less trucks, less cargo, less missions, less everything. Mudrunner was a good warm up to Snowrunner
How DARE you say that????????
@jt video gamer OMGGGGG
You need to get arrested!!!
I would say Snowrunner is better in that way, but Mudrunner has better physics (which I consider to be the most important in any driving game), better sounds and better addons (more specialised)
@@clutch44444 To me the physics differences aren't great enough to make it more enjoyable. Just my opinion.
@@pabo8080 Fair enough
nope. we need Spintires 2 better...
First
No your third
Well nvm