The Two Types of Sci-Fi Worldbuilding
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
- Gotta love humans. Or hate 'em. Or maybe both love 'em and hate 'em. I don't know.
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Little does type 1 realize, every other species in their universe is telling themselves the exact same thing
@ScipiPurr
honestly the last part is a dead giveaway, "its okay to kill them like vapor in the wind!"
That actually makes a good plot. Every species is almost the exact same, but their supremacy makes them view the rest as barbaric and subhuman.
@lukegibson6044 you don’t need an alien plot for that
every other species we know lacks the capability to tell themselves anything even close to that.
@@HazeLmao That's only a presumption. We don't actually know to what degree non-human animals communicate with each other and what exactly they are communicating
More to the point, though, it's Scifi. Aliens are likely to be sentient in Scifi settings
Type I: humans harbor the author's political views
Type II: aliens harbor the author's political views
Type III: Good aliens harbor the author’s political views, the bad ones don’t.
Type IV: aliens harbor the author's kinks and fetishes
is there any book that doesn’t? i can find political statements in the most random romance books, and in expected places like nonfiction. i think, as a species, despite how hard we try, we always let our bias’ slip through.
i mean… everyone thought jk rowling wrote harry potter apolitically until she got a twitter… there’s other authors, who let their views slip in, but i can’t remember them rn lol
@@coyotemars5130Everything’s political, and I’d argue that trying to eliminate one’s political bias while writing fiction is both impossible and undesirable.
@@coyotemars5130 harry potter, apolitical ? Even before she came out as a terf you could tell hp was a love letter to neoliberalism and the status quo
I love the idea of asymmetry being explained by "A demon stole all the antimatter."
"Where is all the antimatter?"
"Time traveler needed a lot of Boom. It hasn't happened yet, but it's coming."
@@Sorain1 Even at the tiny level of a YT pfp, I can see an ace combat reference and I like it.
I think the funny thing is that humans still try to make it despite an eldritch being gatekeeping the resource
I see Maxwell's demon did more than just invent fridges
Yeah I'm so pissed that bro just threw out such a dope concept with such potential depth just for a throwaway gag
The real two types: 1) no it's not magic, there's some science I can't explain
2) first, read my physics thesis, then get doctorate in engineering
3) yes, it's magic. And here is my doctorate-level analysis of how it would interact with real physics
4) no, it's not magic. This bullshit could theoretically happen.
@@KarolOfGutovo Isn't 3 just 1 and 4 just 2? 🤔
@@tarvoc746 1 pretends it isn't magic, 3 embraces it. 2 and 4 are similar, but I described 4 with the implication of real physics only being a vessel for justifying stuff that looks like magic (so, curie point radiators, hibernation, and a whole bunch of stuff more probably.)
while 2 is described in a way that - to me- implies that it wasn't written for a person who isn't already knowledgeable in the field
my book is def type one lol
I like the spirit and effort of the 2.
"The aliens are evil"
"What?"
"Yeah they're all communists"
Imagine if instead of chaos gods 40k just had a universe-wide "red tide"
Haha xD and the God Emperors mission was to bring democracy in the form of exterminatus
Based
Based
Disgusting
"You're saying all aliens are evil? I can't believe only humans are good"
"Oh no, humans are evil too"
Warhammer 40K
Because we killed all the nice ones😎
There is no evil if you dont even have a concept of this term. ^^
@@tbotalpha8133you know, it doesn't work when you just blatantly state it like that👀
It makes sense that most/all aliens are evil according to human standard of evil.
Somehow Doctor Who does both.
Peak Sci-Fi.
That's the power of collaborative writing
Love how the doctor loves humanity and is constantly amazed by how wonderful they are, but then also thinks every single one is an idiot.
@@beeftips1628 Very accurate actually. That's just reality. Amazing wonderful idiots.
@@beeftips1628I think he feels about humanity in the same wah a good parent taking care of a teenager feels: You love then, but godammit, when they will learn to get their shit together?
“It’s best to share resources, we figured that out day one”
Well clearly azorgalel didn’t!
He's an eldritch entity from before the dawn of time, so I'm pretty sure the rules don't apply to him.
@@genericallyentertaining Unironically that sounds like a fun worldbuilding bit
@@genericallyentertainingtypical Eldritch.
Azorgolel out here with the means of production
@@colbyboucher6391, more specifically, the means of propulsion.
"Did you know that you're the only species in the universe that invented racism." - "You... really don't see what you're doing, do you?"
I realized the irony of that after I wrote it, lol.
"We're societist not racist." "What?" "Discrimination based on where you come from, not what you are." "That's very similar to racism." "It's totally different."
@@timmyuniboi2050that Is literally the excuse used by all racists since war exists!
Well, we don't have war.
How?
We are diplomatic by nature, like Everyone else.
You Just said you discriminate people based on their culture, and decided the best way to share technology with a primitive planet Is to just throw It instead of comunicating in any way!
Shut up we are smarter than you somehow
based
@@genericallyentertaining I mean intra-species racism, not inter-species racism I suppose
@@timmyuniboi2050 Isn't that just xenophobia? Even more fitting given the context
I can't tell which type annoys me more: the "humans are glorious wonderful benevolent creatures with a special undefinable wonderfulness that sets them apart" OR the "fictional aliens are better than humans because the author made them that way."
No need to be annoyed by that 🤷🏽♂️😂 their serve to explore different concepts
And on the type 2: "Oh yeah, and humanity will rip alien fleets to shreds with boarding actions and spec-ops teams, and win with all the aliens against them. Then everyone will love them because they invented pizza and hiphop."
Like, can we just have a sci-fi world that acknowledges, "Humans are pretty awful, but aliens probably aren't any better"?
@@easolinas1233 I'd say that's 40k, but it constantly tries to have its cake and eat it too when it comes to humanity
I prefer "humans are pretty awful, but their capacity for the awful coincides with their capacity for the wonderful, something found only in a species as irrational as humans"
There is a Type 3
"Where are you from?"
"I'm from Luna, the moon of Terra in the Sol system"
Type 4: Huge amounts of complex lore, and planets and aliens and their ecosystems to the tiniest level.
And in the grim darkness of the 42nd millenium, there is only war.
I'm the captain of the Rocinante
@@flyingpies Protomolecule where
@@Hal34329 I totally didn't give it to the OPA.
My second-in-command did.
"We've literally been crashing our ships onto your planet so you could have access to it."
okay, but like-- why would you think that's the most efficient way of sharing knowledge?
If Aliens wanted to prove their existence to us, they could just hover their massive ships over New York and stay there. Literally, the plot of District 9 opens with a mothership hovering over Johannesburg in plain sight.
@@joshuagraham104 "We come to say hello, and that we exist. Thank you. Goodbye."
And then they leave and we never see them again.
@@seigeengine Hi Rick, Bye Rick
They're very shy and don't like being a bother, so they figured it would be a good compromise.
They want us to figure it put by ourselves, they were just leaving some tips so we could get there faster
I thought it was going to be something like
Type I: My world is not realistic enough... I've consulted biology experts to simulate how a species would reasonably evolve and shape themselves into a civilization, but I don't have the molecular theory down, people are going to laugh at my work!
Type II: So... This species of alien are cat people... And this one are lobster people... And this one is squid people. And the fact that they resemble earth animals is completely by coincidence don't think about it.
Type 2.5: all aliens look like humans, or combination of humans and Earth animals. Because it's cool. But here's the 6 pages of justifications.
@@lordbuss Well, I guess then there would also be a type 2.45:
"The aliens look like humans or giant metal boxes with actors inside because the world is designed for a TV budget show and we can only afford makeup and giant puppets"
I’ve created both 😭
Type 3: all aliens look like crustacean people because carcinization ran rampant on their primarily ocean based planets
type 4: all other "aliens" are exactly the same as humans, just from a different planet.
2:34 There's a Harry Turtledove short story called _The Road Not Taken_ where humanity is probably the only intelligent species not to have obtained faster than light travel through gravity manipulation. However, this is because the technology is so simple that almost every other species works out how to do it at about a 15th century level of technology, which means that they go off to conquer space and all other technological development stagnates. So we have a situation where aliens arrive on near future earth and try to awe the primitive natives by attacking them with their most advanced weaponry: matchlock muskets. You can imagine how well that goes for them.
I loved that ending when alien POWs are in horror as they have straight away given this technology to humans
This basically acts as a horror story but for aliens. As a new threat is incoming and they can't do anything about it
Why couldnt they just accelerate projectiles at faster than light speeds?
@@lemoncholly They never had a reason to, because all other civilisations they'd encountered previously were either less advanced than them, or more-or-less the same.
By the way, it was pretty much a shaggy dog story, you could spend all day picking holes in it, but it was fun and original.
@@jic1 The key thing that doesn't make sense is that every other species worked it out and went off to conquer but never had to develop weapons further. So they just never fought each other?
@@seigeengine As I said, you can pick holes in it all day.
"Earth is the only place in the universe where beings evolved to have empathy. All the other beings have is horniness--where are you going??"
The funny thing is how the first type doesn't even explain how there are so many individuals of the alien species if no empathy would mean they let people to die and therefore wouldn't be able to create super empires
@@marcoz6281Right. Being unique in inventing empathy implies everyone else survived SOME OTHER way. That basically narrows it down to cowardice (which means no empires) or insatiable universal lust: no empathy, no politics, no debate, just "Wow you're pretty. Let's bang."
@@newtypealpha this means empathy is the key to family (in animals, because if you have a consciousness too you can also create empires etc.)
@@marcoz6281 It's not. Love and loyalty are the key to families. Even animals who are arguably incapable of anything as sophisticated as empathy still form family units or even massive herds. Your parents the leader of your family group whether they empathize with you or not, and a young person who can't take care of himself has to follow their leaders even if they can't empathize with them.
So a species that is not capable of empathy but DOES practice monogamy and recreational breeding can produce a pretty enormous empire just by having a number of really big families that all agree to intermarry and work together.
Arguably, this is basically why Germany exists.
@@newtypealpha it's better for me if I don't say another word, I don't wanna start arguing right now
Type 1 - You need a PHD in physics to even understand it
Type 2 - yes it is science, but i won't explain it. Look at that cool battle instead
I love both
Read Hannu Rajaniemi and have both!
I have bachelor degree in astronomy, it's really hard to watch scifi
'i know i don't have good education, i just wanted fun pew pew in space!' i say as i cry into my oatmeal
Or type 3 (body) - Most think you need a PHD to understand it, but if you have one it makes less science sense than Harry Potter.
Type 3 - yeah its magic but in spacw
Settings with multiple sentient species usually fall into one of these:
- humans are the best
- humans are the worst
- everyone is the worst
- everyone is bad at something
- Lovecraft was sugarcoating the bloody cosmos
any of them may or may not contain one or more alien groups classified as "Mary sue, the species", which may or may not be a race of prehistoric superbeings that somehow just all died one day.
Hey! The Forerunners died for *very specific* reasons, thank you very much!
@@patrickhector the chozo, however, did Not.
There's always that one race which had really advanced technology but went extinct for some reason.
@@darthutah6649 it adds mystery and intrigue
me: humans are ehhhh well they are advanced though. anyway you like the group of foxpeople?
Star Wars is the only fantasy/sci-fi universe I’ve come across that tries to treat every species relatively the same. Humans are most common due to budgetary reasons and for the sake of resonating with viewers.
They also have a Bit more seperation based on regions and Not only species
@@laisphinto6372Yeah, the main conflict in basically all of galactic history is Core (where all the political and economic power is centralised) vs Rim (which has a rebellious streak and is generally difficult to control)
Star Trek is the same except we see the universe from the perspective of humans due to having an even smaller budget.
may i introduce you to "a long way to a small angry planet" by becky chambers?
@@eldrago19And iirc the differences between the species aren’t just ignored. Differences are what make us unique, after all. But letting then divide us is stupid.
"you're like the only species to invent racism" continues to bash someone for the species they belong to with literally zero reference to the individual talked to.
Said racism. Not speciesm. One is when you’re fighting eachother, and the other is when you’re fighting other species.
It isn't racism to say "wow, these dogs sure do bark, huh?"
@@seigeengine I know we're talking about sci-fi aliens vs humans but "Its not racist because its true" Is not the rhetoric you wanna double down on man
@@davidthelong2154 Oh, it 100% is.
The trouble with humans is that of all our flavours, we're all the same basic thing, but this reasoning does not apply at all to non-humans.
A dog is not a human. An orc is not a human. An alien is not a human.
They are not just a superficial variant of what we are. They are legitimately different creatures.
And a lot of what makes racism bad is a matter of subjective social values.
Let's shift to another topic as an example: is it wrong to sterilize people with genetic conditions that impact their health? Oo, we're getting on eugenics. Is it wrong? Yes or no?
There is no objective answer. Most of us would think it's wrong, primarily because we highly value individual rights, but additionally because of a ton of secondary values and narratives, like the sentiment that "it's wrong to play god" or "there may be solutions in the future" or vague waffling about how "it's better to live poorly than to not live," or perhaps a sentiment about what powers the state should or shouldn't have, or maybe pragmatically because the existence of those genetic conditions may be of unknown future value. For example, people with Sickle Cell Disease are significantly less likely to get HIV. Who knows what interactions other conditions will or are having that may provide insight or utility to humanity moving forward?
But... unless your brain is a pebble you can play devil's advocate for yourself.
These are subjective values. There is no objective answer.
And that's half of racism. The first half is racism that's just objectively wrong. The second half is racism that's contrary to our subjective values.
And to be clear, I don't mean by saying that they're subjective that they're not serious or important, or that we should compromise on them. I think subjective values are worth dying and killing over.
I just think it's important to understand why we think things we do, especially when we're applying things to new contexts.
Racism can be wrong. The Jews were not destroying society and the nazis were deranged.
Racism can be subjectively bad. Black Americans are more likely to commit certain crimes. This isn't an inherent flaw in what they are. There are factors that exaggerate it, there are reasons for it, and no individual should be punished simply for their involuntary membership to a category.
An alien race, however... a species that isn't human to begin with, falls far more afoul of the first. I'm far more into fantasy, and I like to use dark elves as an example. Dark elves are not humans. Dark elves are inherently evil. It's not just cultural, it's a fundamental aspect of what they are. For a dark elf, things like compassion and empathy are aberrations akin to sociopathy in humans. Now, the plausibility of such a race surviving is another matter, but that's neither here nor there.
And as for how far tolerance extends, that depends on how secure you are. Presumably you're not going to wait and see and give everyone a chance when they've broken into your home and are coming at you with a weapon.
@@seigeengine this
2:24, ironic that the alien says that to justify being racist against humans
Ah the appeal to hypocrisy. Time honored.
@@Mrpersonman0 Being racist against humans for being “the only species” that has racism is not merely hypocrisy, it’s something which demonstrates the claim is false.
Perhaps thats the point? A critque of enlightened liberalism? Same with the first being a critique of western chauvinism
@@NeostormXLMAX Maybe
The self agreeing bots don't understand racism
One uses reality to prove fantasy the other uses fantasy to prove reality
both options are equally likely as long as we have a sample size of just one planet
or there's the secret third option of humans being nothing much remarkable in either direction, but we have our own useful quirks and traits
But which is which?
What you mean?
Which is which?
Ah yes, the two Sci Fi types, badly written HFY and Fantasy with space travel slapped on
What is HFY?
@@remliqa Humanity fuck yeah, a type of genre where humans are like great at something, could be our resilience, could be because we're vermin, could be because we're short-lived or everlasting.
@@rust5427 yeah, no, the first type is more like western chauvinism applied to the whole universe
@@minestar2247 I'm referring to the definition of HFY. It's a subreddit
There's _good_ HFY? HFY that isn't white supremacism for sci-fi nerds?
Oddly enough, both posit human uniqueness. Type 1 says humans are uniquely good and Type 2 says we’re uniquely bad.
If you think about it, another species would have millennia of time to develop completely different moral systems. It's not that we'd be uniquely good, it's just that everyone else would be so different that they would look like space nazis from our perspective.
@@THEBEEEANSS Could be.
Sci fi universes where every species are just humans but one small thing changed are weirder. That would mean we just happen to be exactly average in every way. The only species with no weird or unique traits, in a universe where every species is basically the same. Realistically there would probably be a ton of diversity. And humans would be just as far from the average as everyone else. With some weird unique traits few other species have.
@@Houshalter I liked 'how' Star Trek 'explained' it. All humanoid creatures near earth has a common ancestor.
@@Houshalter True. Like in Star Trek, where (almost) every intelligent species is basically humans but with a gimmick to the point where (in Enterprise) the Vulcans are suspicious of humans for not having a gimmick
the best dynamic is when everyone involved thinks they're at least somewhat in the first camp but are firmly in the second one to everyone else. so you get interactions like Gleep Glorp the alphacenturian ridiculing humanity for never invention spacial expansion tech shortly before faceplanting on the curb because their species never invented the concept of stairs
The road not taken, aliens discover ftl travel and think humans are primitive, yet they got no modern guns and just flintlocks
The trick is that types one and two exist at the same time, in the same universe, and the central premise of the story is that both those things have absolutely no right to coexist, but they do
Schrodinger's world building
The guy speaking in type I, is likely the salty guy from type II.
I think we call it “Warhammer 40k.”
just today have i realized that You and Man Carrying Things are different people
Yeah well it helps when one of them cuts their hair
The only thing similar really is their format.
Man carrying Generic Thing
same lmao
And (the long-hair times of) James Tullos
And the other way around :
1) Humanity was attacked by multispecies alien empire, aiming for our destruction for theyr selfish goals.
2) *IN THE GRIMDARK FUTURE OF THE 41ST MILLENNIUM...*
Warhammer is more like "evil humans vs. evil aliens and even eviler aliens".
"everyone is a bad guy, because bad guys are cool!
Of course, the coolest guys are the Egyptian Robots, but that's beside the point"
Halo is grimdark done right. Because the universe really is against humanity, and humanity is losing badly, right up until the Prophets decide to backstab the Elites _before_ they finish burning Earth.
>Who are those?
>Theyre us with blue skin, they think theyre pure and good, theyre just at the beginning of the journey that were almost finished with so they dont know yet
@@tehteh9893 and all of them combined vs a galactically sized cockroach swarm and also vs a literal demons from hell
I like how "only on earth there is kindness and empathy" while humanity in itself can also be seen as evil. This itself is self-righteous evilness, giving ourselves the illusion that we are the only good ones.
we're the only ones, period. we're all of the good and all of the evil in the observable universe. 💪💪💪🌏💯
@@xXx_Regulus_xXxHuman Supremacy vibes. I F with it.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx We are the only extant species we know of capable of understanding the existence of other persons.
There were likely other species that could, but they're dead now.
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx I think you mean in the *observed* universe. we didn't check most of the observable universe, it's too big. No reason to assume there's no aliens around.
Oh, and stop celebrating. Just because you have no one to compere yourself to, doesn't mean you should ignore the mountain of literal sh*t you're living in. Please move to an actual hose. Or at least a lees smelly waste disposal area.
@@seigeengine Or just far away that we can't interact with
Both authors' philosophies are defined by hatred, one for oneself and other for the others
You caught it. When the reality is probably something in-between: no species is uniquely bad or good. We all are just scraping by in the universe.
Type 1: white supremacists IN SPACE!
Type 2: The author's misanthropy is showing.
Where would we be without misanthropic sci-fi writers
@@cara-seyuna beter place
@@reliantbelial2341 nope.
We would be in a better place without communists and radical leftists. Literature is ok. Misanthrope can make some good critique of humanity to think about, lefts can only ruin economy and organize dictatorship
And then the slow dawning realization that both types are secretly the same type
How so?
@@kingofworms831 Both are author soapboxing, but in case 1 author's ideology is represented by humans and in case 2= by aliens.
@@granienasniadanie8322 Is there anything wrong about that?
@@kingofworms831 No.
Aliens took one look at us and were like "no thanks"
"They're made out of meat"
That's very smart.
@@TheZigsDkI got that reference.
Because we would unalive them.
@@thehawk8332 Our governments would. A good portion of us do not give a absolute crap if we get invaded/become a subject of a alien empire.
3:51 we've built you pyramids so you can have free electricity yet you used it as body fridges?
both options are equally likely as long as we have a sample size of just one planet
Statisticians hate this trick!
The reason I prefer the later is because it actually says things I have t heard before. Like "stole all the anti matter" that's brilliant I love that so much, but the former isn't world building it's just trying to convince me being normal is awesome, and I'm sorry, I came for some Sci-Fi.
The exploration of what might make humanity unique and what beings without those factors would be like is peak sci-fi.
@@ShadowRulahI prefer the cosmological principle on every level. We must be average... Probably
@@ShadowRulah Yeah but the so much of that side of sci-fi isn't exploring what beings without that would be like, it's glorifying something I already know about. Sci-fi is about something new, and exciting, and spacey. And i'm sure it was unique the first ten times someone did it but since then it hasn't been. If you don't want to make cool aliens, make a humans only universe, I mean dune is a classic and the expanse (not humans only but the aliens are largely gone) is one of my personal favorites. Yeah, when people put in the effort to think what aliens without something fundamental to humanity would be like, that's awesome, I want to know about that, but if you half-ass it and just make them badly autism-coded, please just don't, I can just watch the next generation to see that done well, or hang out with all my autistic friends, or something else more enjoyable. also, glorifying normality is really lame imo.
@@RowlesisgayThree Worlds Collide is done with that sort of thing- the culture clash is from different evolutionary pressures- the R-selected filial cannibals aren’t treated as being somehow morally inferior- they’re very similar to us, they just never evolved K-selection, and the other group is also pretty neat. To make a point that that future humanity would also be very different from our current one, they just casually mention that future humans don’t think that rape is that bad but at no point is any worldbuilding done there, as opposed to the effort that went into the alien species.
A lot of rationalists invent wildly different aliens for purposes of parables, but the focus on that is mainly using them as metaphor “wow, it’s silly to do this! now what else does that remind you of?” or something, but the ideas given are neat worldbuilding (the wounding mind thing, the aliens who pile pebbles, the whole bodies that mitoses)
I prefer the "Everyone is awful" approach. Aliens are killing each other for good and petty reasons. Alliances are forged for political gain instead of values. Everyone does something, which would consider good and something we consider bad.
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So basically the real world, just with Aliens.
Having an eldritch out of reality demon have a monopoly on the universe’s most important resource sounds like a great extra plot.
And when the characters finally confront the demon it's revealed that he was just bored and decided to start stealing antimatter for shits and giggles
The two types of writers developing a magic system
-the one who develops a literal rpg system that’s meant to account for everything
-a wizard did it
And the second one is consistently superior
Outside of Brandon Sanderson, I have yet to see anyone pull off a rules-based magic system well
@@cara-seyun Works pretty well in the D&D novels.
@Afterword. I also think anime/manga have done well with rules based magic. Full Metal Alchemist's magic being both simple and rules based.
Nen from Hunter x Hunter as well.
@@chapa3794 nen is definitely not rules-based, anymore than Pokemon magic is rules-based, though FMA is a good example
@@chapa3794 Rules-based magic in anime is a really good point. Was a video game anime, but Log Horizon's first season was awesome with this. I'd argue that to a large extent My Hero Academia and certainly Black Clover fall into this category where the power sets and abilities are carefully mapped out.
Also, we sent you one of our historians to start informing you about our desert culture. But you all mistook it for a bunch of fiction books and made them into two expensive entertainment movies (featuring, on the plus side, the talented and delightful Timothée Chalamet).
Erm... Dune, excluding the possibility of a near-identical Earth history on another planet, must take place int he future. They read from the Orange-Catholic Bible, afterall.
The Book of the New Sun is styled as an autobiography from the distant future that the IRL author found and translated from a languagee that doesn't exist yet. In-universe author is writing about events that took place many years earlier, tries desperately to justify his former actions, and his whole personality and outlook has shifted due to the hundreds of other people living in his head, not to mention a few "demons" up there that are literally just never explained. He constantly tries to philosophize his behavior but can't philosophize his way out of a paper bag and just proves that he's messed up. IRL author uses universe author as a much less perfect Jesus analogue in a much worse version of the world as a weird commentary on catholic eschatology.
It's... certainly something.
That type 1 speech goes somewhere really beautiful but then it just ends with "yeah so it's no big deal if we giga-genocide all other life in the universe, they don't matter"
Truly one of the most based speeches in existence and a wonderful testimony to human supremacy.
Out of all genres, sci-fi is the one in which this could be a series off of this concept alone and end up in comic con next season.
Ever heard of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy?
type III: Everyone is warlike, including ourselves, we should have never set our ambition to the stars for all we found is a war we weren't yet ready to fight.
Warhammer
@@Volcano22207 I think I recognize you? We used to be in the same server on discord right?
I like the second one. I love the idea of humans being the Florida Man of the universe
That's what HASO(Humans Are Space Orcs) is all about.
@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb Recognized!
BORN TO INHERIT THE STARS
“The call to arms rings out across the dark void that is the galaxy. Its toll is answered by the iron willed devotees who are themselves but humble servants of a greater power. Who among the teeming billions of Mankind has the strength to answer the call and match to war? Come forth you mighty warriors, gather under the bloodstained banners and grisly trophies of conquest! Join now the massed throng whose aim is to rid Humanity of its blighted fate. To win famous victory on hellish otherworlds.”
@@blackjak4185 "It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor of Mankind has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth.
He is the master of mankind by the will of the gods and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the vast Imperium of Man for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day so that he may never truly die.
Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars, their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in His name on uncounted worlds.
Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes, the Space Marines, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Imperial Guard and countless planetary defence forces, the ever-vigilant Inquisition and the tech-priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat to humanity from aliens, heretics, mutants -- and far, far worse.
To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods."
You either go 40k or hitchhiker's guide
@unitednations3647 the two arguably good guy factions both have a weird religious beings guiding them with wayyyy too much power
-humans, with the god emperor of mankind
-tau, with the Greater Good:tm: (and celestials)
welcome to 40k. your best option is either fully indpendant trader, or a cult
I wish there were more “humans are middle of the road” things, like sure we waste a lot of time and we wage a lot of wars but our technological advancements skyrocket like nothing else whenever we’re at war.
I actually do wonder about this.
Large scale war does tend to foster innovation, but I do wonder whether, on the balance of things, it's of net benefit. People talk about advances in tech, but they ignore the mass economic destruction of the war itself, and a brief look at economies surrounding war, it certainly doesn't seem clear there's a benefit.
More like war just forces humans to put theory into practice
Every technological development “created during war” was created years before the war started, with the groundwork solely being put in place. Wars simply amp up the funding and centralize efforts to turn “neat flying machine” into “flying fortress”.
The ‘ideal’ scenario is an intense war every 20-30 years so there is enough time to rebuild and improve before getting back into it.
Type 1: human roasting alien.
Type 2: alien roasting human.
Type 3: alliens are literaly humans, but with advanced tecnoligies and a bit strenge costumes
@6n-thorus945
type 4: every alien is either scalie, furry, or some anthropic shape is bangable if you're into that.
Star Trek in a nutshell
@@chongwillson972I know what kind of man you are
@@sassas1487
I mean to be its the same as having the aliens look like humans with funny make-up or very slight differences and also hot.
and don't tell that captain kirk wouldn't bang them.
@@chongwillson972bangability is also a trait shared with the essentially human ones as well
One is where the author loves humanity a little too much, the other is where they hate it a little too much.
There’s also a third type which is just: aliens and humans just mingle in one society to the point that crowds are just a melting pot of colours, languages and cultures
the good ending
I like that idea
America if it took over the whole universe type shit I fw it
Honestly if there's one thing I wish Sci-Fi would pull more from Star Wars and some other pulpy space stories it's this. Humans aren't special and that's fine. We have human characters because that's recognizable (and cheaper in live-action film and TV), but they aren't especially good or bad for *being human*
There's also the type 3:
"What do you mean you don't know about Azorgael?"
"Well, we didn't, so we just made enough antimatter ourselves, but then we figured out it was too inefficient, so we made a warp drive, but then it was stupidly weak, so now we can just teleport across the galaxy with our indomitable spirit"
So both types are just "humans are special and different"
The Indomitable Human Spirit mentioned? Peak fiction.
*the aliens thought the human spirit and adrenaline were a myth...
Only the first one was a myth*
the indomitable human spirit vs the indomitable tarantula spirit
@@ocinprofessionhave you seen those things swim?
> stole all the antimatter
I laughed so hard after this
In my setting
Theres an alien species thats just super nice and hate violence, but they lobotomize their criminals and use them as slaves, and a myriad of other things we'd consider horrific; meanwhile we do stuff we dont think twice about that freak them out just as much.
well i got 2 alien bois where one is a sapient fungus taking humans control to make them work for them. and well they usually have the level technology of ww1 and locked within the confines of their fungal forest., and theres some foxpeople tribes where i gonna say that they have been adapted to drink sulfuric water 2% sulfur in the atmosphere idk what will go wrong in a hydrogen dominant atmosphere with the tech level of an Iron Age civilization and being isolationists and exiling people with more different thinking. idk what will that do while humans being an interstellar species would be something within this red dwarf system of a 30 hour rotation exoplanet
Every single alien government does that?
there was basically a scene like this in warhammer novel
where a tau diplomat got horrified when seeing a servitor (lobotomised cyborg used as servant) while on diplomatic mission in imperium
I'm definitely in Camp Sweaty Armpit.
I personally think the best way to do humans in both fantasy and sci-fi is to give them one trait that actually does genuinely make them special. Eg. Even if they’re not as book smart/high IQ as other aliens their ingenuity is special, or they have the highest capability for artistic expression because human brains are flawed in a way that allows for that where everyone else’s brains are too perfect, etc.
The important thing is to keep it to one trait, essentially instead of making them generic “jack of all trades” types you’re giving them things they are and aren’t good at like all the other species
Really? I notice more "These humans sure lack (insert alien's best trait)" and then 20 minutes later they're all "Human, we need you to do something clever/innovative."
Those stories tend to mostly be jokes about other species noticing how wierd and inexplicable highly specialized experts are on their particular fields. Which is something we notice about ourselves, but we semi-expect it, and the aliens just don't.
Like, my favorite is "give it a whack" stories, where the aliens are mystified by the fact that a machine that should be working isn't, despote tearing it down and finding no flaws, then the human comes in, punches it, and it works, becaue _his_ first response to the machine not working was to hit it in different spots until it did.
Or the stories where aliens have logically eliminated not only suffering, but all discomfort in every area they can, being mystified by humans liking the discomfort and performing better because of it. Stuff like that.
And then there’s the third ones that are kinda like “humans and aliens are actually not that far apart” and then we end up in a Space UN with aliens
You forgot Star Wars, where humans and other species are all war like and capitalistic. So the only difference is appearance. And Star Trek, where humans and some aliens are good and some other aliens are bad. Edit: And Warhammer 40k, where everyone is militaristic, totalitarian, and evil.
Except the Tau, who have free healthcare and diplomacy. And state mandated brainwashing. As ya do.
I think in 40k it is necessary to be evil, cruel and only looking out for your own kind. Doing otherwise would mean the end of your faction. Because while other fictional universes have these gray areas and questions about what is evil, what is good and how to get along with others and understand them, in the 40k universe everyone is out to get you and there are certainly quite black-and-white evil factions and gods that want to eat your soul.
@@HenkkaArtGames not really. To a certain extent, yes, obviously several factions will never engage in diplomacy and your only real option is to fight them (as the Tau found out with the Orks. And space marines. And the Nids), but a concistent theme with the Imperium esspecially is how they would do amazing is they allied with someone like the craftworld eldar or the Tau or even the Necrons. But they don't, because of there rampant xenophobia. And as such, great opportunities for cooperation which would massively benfit both sides get stomped out, leaving everyone worse off.
@@HenkkaArtGamesthe whole point of the imperium is that they're technologically and culturally backwards (compared to the golden age of man) and only survive through old technology passed down through essentially oral history (adeptus mechanicus rituals) and just throwing billions of lives at every problem. The empire under the living god-emperor was cruel to outsiders but decent for humans.
Oh, you only know Star Wars from teevee and you're twelve.
Not that I'm defending Star Wars or something. It is a tale written by a moron for children and mentally stunted idiots. But really? Capitalism? Really? REALLY?
It's a whole universe literally ruled by dark vs. light spiritual magic. You know... radiant beings... not crude and random blasters.
Gotta say Mass Effect does a pretty good job balancing the the types of Sci-fi, since humans are the new kid in the Galaxy, the other species look down on them while also amazed by their tenacity and willpower.
it didn't balance it, its still type 1. looking down on humans is something that both sci-fi types do, it just happens to be true in type 2.
@@dibbidydoo4318 Type 1 at its extreme is facist. Type 2 at its extreme is absurdly misanthropist.
That's why I like Warframe: spoiler
No aliens, only humans, their creations and the void.
Peak sci fi
basically Humans Are Space Elves vs Humans Are Space Orcs
the funny thing is is that the first can spawn from the second. like, imagine if the guy in the second version is like our president or something. so then he goes back to earth with his broken ego and tells everyone all the aliens are evil so we have to kill them all. i wonder if that's how helldivers started
this is the funniest possible interpretation of this video i love it
The first one is funny because half of the things that are built up as virtues exist because of behaviors the second one decries as incompetence
Love the matter-antimatter asymmetry theory, telling a physicist and an SCP author about that rn.
Type II is literally just Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
I prefer a "aliens are actually chill but they want to destroy us because we attacked them first" story
First of all, nice video. I love watching sci-fi content and commenting/chatting about it.
1) One of the factors that promote the development of intelligence is being pack animals, social animals. The more complex the interrelationships, the better (do not confuse with ants that everything they do is because they are programmed through chemical/instinctive stimulation; they do not think).
2) It is impossible for a single individual to be an expert in everything or know everything, especially as existing knowledge increases, so cooperation and specialization is necessary for the technological advancement of a civilization/species.
3) It seems that diversity is natural, and just like the small mutations/variations that promote evolution, individuality promotes spontaneity and creativity. A civilization, if there can be one, without individualism will probably advance more slowly or remain stagnant. And if there is individuality, the natural thing is that if others impose something by force/authority, it is probably unfair, so others will be dissatisfied with this and will make a theoretical and practical fight against it. At various times humanity had tyrannical, authoritarian or dictatorial regimes... but they did not last. And even if an alien civilization has been dominated by, for example, alien-Nazis or an oppressive and controlling religious doctrine... there will be individuals who want to break away from that, that is, they will not all be irredeemably evil even if the majority are patriots of that system.
4) As a society becomes more complex and new ideas appear that revolutionize everything... it is also natural that new ideas and experiments of all kinds appear, there are also stages in knowledge, it is natural that something like philosophy arises first before science as we know it today... and ethics and logic is part of philosophy.
ooo this is really cool, I love hearing about this stuff! I'm curious, how do octopi fit into this? They seem really intelligent, but they aren't really pack animals. Do you specifically mean intelligent in the civilization and knowledge way?
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Octopuses are an exceptional case, without a doubt. But the surprising thing about their intelligence is that they simply possess it when it is totally counterintuitive for them to have it. They are the only invertebrate animals that have noteworthy intelligence, and in fact there are very, very few intelligent animals that are aquatic... practically all of them remained in the primitive fish brain stage or earlier (cetaceans such as dolphins, whales and orcas are actually mammals that returned to the water relatively recently). Also, the intelligence that octopuses have is surprising considering their very short life expectancy... it makes no sense that they are so intelligent if the oldest ones live just 3 years. Even crows/ravens with comparable intelligence can live to be 40 years old; but as I say... it's not much intelligence either: they can open jars from the inside and solve problems, but so can crows/ravens. They should be given the mirror test to see if they are aware of themselves.
But as I say, octopuses are a rather strange case because they are not pack animals. I would dare to suggest that perhaps they developed that intelligence because their body is basically pure muscle without bones, so they have a much broader and more complex capacity for movement, so perhaps they developed intelligence because of that. But I have seen/heard that having a more complex form of movement, with more than 2 pairs of limbs, for example, would be a hindrance to the development of intelligence more than a promotion because the brain would have to use more resources in neurons that control the muscles of those parts.
Who knows why it is, evolution is based a lot on chance and events that unexpectedly come together. Like for example, primates have always been prey more than anything else... but they still developed eyes on the front of their heads, like carnivores, instead of eyes on the sides like herbivores (which almost all primates and apes are). Eyes on the sides are more useful for prey as it allows them to see more of their surroundings and reduce the chance of being surrounded/stalked. But the eyes on the front of the head give the ability to perceive depth which is extremely useful for aiming, so... better for hunting. And well, the answer is that primates, upon adapting to trees, benefited from developing eyes in front... with which prey and herbivores animals developed a characteristic of carnivores, but for different reasons (developing hand-eye coordination to catch branches in jumps).
Who knows what conditioned natural selection so that octopuses were more intelligent, at least when it came to problem solving. Perhaps because they are prey, the octopuses that usually survive are the ones that are cunning enough to hide best and evade/escape best; so natural selection would be benefiting those qualities related to cunning. But I think even with that, survival cunning has a ceiling... it's the development of complex communities that has been shown to encourage complex behaviors.
To be honest, I thought that the first one talking about all we went through as a race to get to where we are was actually kind of inspirational
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It'd be so cool if they wrote humans that acted like humans and weren't the "special boys just cuz."
Terra Invicta kinda does that, in the sense that humanity is portrayed by several factions that starkly differ in their morality and approach to aliens. There's also the "We develop all the space tech in just twenty years" trope, but this one is less Humanity Frick Yeah and more "We could do so much more if we actually got our things together and united for the greater good"
@@Anton15243 So, HFY but with more steps.
@@CalvinNoire Dunno about that, one of the factions has a very downer view of humanity and wants the aliens to control them for their own good. The other is a fanatical alien cult that wants to become their loyal servant. There are also some alien-neutral factions, with one just wishing to get out of here ASAP and the other, worst of the worst, being a cabal of world scummy businessmen looking to control both humanity and aliens.
I guess it is HFY in that humans have a lot of potential to develop rapidly. But there's also the weakness of our infighting that deters us (2/3 of the game is spent with competing with fellow humans more so than with the alien threat), and it's generally understood that if they wanted to completely destroy us from the start it would be a wipe-out
''indomitable human spirit'' mfs when survival of the fittest forced every extraplanetary species to develop a balance of compassion and selfishness in order to expand to the stars
Yeah, but did all of them continue to develop rockets after the first one blew up?
We are better at it just because so we win either way lol
@@dhv2852 why wouldn’t they? Does _any_ animal trip or fall, and refuse to stand again?
The "backwater" part is such a cliche phrase for it now.
The first one is basically every reddit Sci-fi story.
And the second is every tumblr sci-fi story.
I hope that the plot of the second story is humans perfecting antimatter creation in order to disrupt the demonic monopoly
So we either suck compared to everyone else or we just suck less compared to everyone else. Both seem reasonable lol.
Or it's warhammer where everyone is just as evil as each other
False dichotomy.
Also, as someone already pointed out - basically two different genres, the second one being fantasy pretending to be SciFi.
Sooo... well... confirmation bias too. Those two often go hand in hand. Ironically, kinda the theme of the video above too.
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Honestly, given a perspective shift, type 1 sci-fi is type 2 sci-fi given a complex enough situation.
Type 3: everyone is an asshole, we've gone back to using swords and shields, FOR THE EMPEROR
v2 feels like Hitchhikers'
Kind of, but Douglas Adams makes it clear that nost of the alien species in that world don't really have their shit together, either. The Galactic Empire has been a de factp republic for centuries, while the last emperor is on Time-Suspension life support, and the only thing keeping the machine turned on at this point is sheer bureaucratic inertia.
Bro watched The 3 Body Problem and read the Dark Forest and took it seriously
Type 1: Pretentious
Type 2: Based as fuck
Type 1: Based as fuck
Type 2: Pretentious
"We no longer send agents to your planet. Because every person we sent, came back different. And never wanted to go back."
"My God. Do you really fear us that much?"
"Fear you? No! They usually get treated nicely. But you are a bunch of negative assholes, and talking to you becomes depressing ."
"What?"
"Let me tell you something. In the grand scheme of things, your species is basically considered the... what you would refer to as "emos", of the galaxy. I mean, your news media are constantly going all the time with stuff like "Oh, we are destroying the planet. And look at all these wars. We are so violent and hateful to each other."."
"I mean, climate change and constant war are huge problems in our planet."
"No, they are not. Every planet has gone through wars. Everyone developed harmful technologies to their planets until we got cornered by the problems they caused, and only then phased them out. I mean, I don't even get it. The way you speak of yourselves, we imagined your cities to be full of constant battles to the death for survival, even amongst neighbours. But most of the time, you are just going along like you don't recognize each other, and the worst that happens is that every few weeks a random guy amongst hundreds decides to mug someone. I mean, even when you are at war, barely 10% get conscripted into them. Let alone kill anyone."
"Well, maybe that's true. But it's important for us to be reminded of our mistakes, so we don't get to repeat them."
"That's the other thing. Why do you enjoy being miserable all the time?"
"What? No, we don't."
"Dude. Amongst the most popular genres of entertainment media on your planet, there are "horror" and "tragedy". You literally pay to see movies that make you scared and sad. You are actively seeking to get emotionally traumatized!"
"I... never looked at it that way."
"You even have a word to describe a emotion that makes you sad... when you remember happy memories. Explain that one!"
Thank you
Okay, this is an even worse and dumber take that what is parodied by the video. Climate Change is problem precisely because lot of people don't take them seriously and are rejecting measures to phase out those harmful technologies. And don't even get me started on the nonchalant attitude towards suffering of people .
While I agree that on the whole we are probabily going to pull through eventually and most of us are pretty good, our concerns are valid and "oh it's *just* climate change", or "it's *just* a war" is probabily the thing that kills us if we don't pull through.
Your take here is worse that the one parodied in the video. Both war and climate change are legitimate concerns and existential threat that we should tackle . Especially since a lot of people are not only apathetic to them, but actively standing in the way of attempts to solve those problems.
@@robinrehlinghaus1944 Thank him for what ? His bad take?
Both ideas stem from an idea that we are different, definitely us trying to cement an identity before we know what else we are even working with
I´m a human doing human research on other humans.
On a scale from "No idea" to "Of course we do duh"
How much does the regular human know about Azorgalel?
No idea :(
I'm not sure, is he related to Azor Ahai, the warrior of light / son of fire / wielder of lightbringer, or to Galil, the Israeli small arms designer?
Of course we do duh
No idea
No idea
Type I: Slay the Alien!
Type II: Lay the Alien. ;)
in other words, Herbert vs Asimov haha, brilliant!
what? both of the authors basically have world building in empty universe with only humanity as the sentient species (Dune and Foundation)
@@eobardthawne5535 fair enough, but it's the realist/pessimist view vs the optimistic view
In Herbert, branches of humanity play the role of aliens, more or less. Things don't change except for new technology.
In Asimov, humanity is hindered by its own traditions but progress (robots, Gaia) can lead to a peaceful, idillic galaxy.
Asimov specifically avoided including (living) aliens in his books
(with like 2 exceptions)
But I get your point
"The indominable human spirit" mfs when the alien doesn't just fall over and start crying after getting punched in the face (truly a universal anomaly)
So that’s where the antimatter is!
Type 1: Currency is called "credits"
Type 2: Currency is called "floorps"
I feel like so many Type 1 stories happen because the author feels the need to explain why humanity is relevant. It seems to come up most often in stories where humanity is the last species to discover interstellar travel, but for some reason we always developed our new technology way faster than everyone else.
And Type 2 comes from the author not realizing that just because you don't call them angels or elves or whatever fantasy species that gets treated as perfect, doesn't mean you didn't just make angels or elves or whatever in space
The HFY approach in the first part is pretty fun because it's such an idealized view of the world
Yeah pretty much all HFY stories are effectively just: "We are god's chosen people and aliens are are just specks for us to gaze at created in 1 day, and now they will learn to bow and if not we will wipe them out instantly."
I have not read nor watched "The Three Body Problem" but the first is how I understand it.
nope, lmao
@@maxpis4412 let's see: trisolarians commit genocide against humans, trisolaris getting blown up by other aliens, earth getting blown up by other aliens.
It's exactly the first one.
It doesn't regard humans as particularly unique--more like "the conditions of the universe force every species to be evil or die; there are no exceptions".
@@laju6398 But humans aren't particularly good in it--in fact, to the extent that humans are good, the story regards this as dangerous naivety.
@@laju6398 first off the trisolarans are the aggressor in the conflict, but it doesn't treat humans as special
Dr Who, Gaurdians of the Galaxy, Hitchhikers Guide, Rick & Morty
You forgot the "dark grim future" humans, and the aliens who missed the memo
1. Warhammer 40k
2. Mass effect
Is it weird that I’m technically both world builders?
That's a weird way to say that you're a left-wing-alignet american (COUGHtheforceawakensCOUGH)
that just makes you an HFY writer
@@ocinprofession I didn't know that was a term. Yeah, I am definitely on board that train.
@@dandrive3249 That's good. But to be honest, HFY stories aren't really my thing, because it is almost always a human circle jerk; And humans are almost always the greatest species in the universe at something which makes them win every fight, Or they are best at everything. And all humans are usually the exact same person and are all perfect at the exact same thing.
But that doesn't mean they are bad, just not my thing.
@@ocinprofession That's fair, those complaints are something I am wanting to avoid with this project. My main idea is that the federation of aliens come to Earth and mingle and trade with Earth for its natural resources. (cause things like honey and certain fruits are unique to Earth). In order to prevent a violent uprising as the indomitable human spirit is scary they started using propaganda to devalue human life and knock it down a few pegs. Mainly by showing other species being better at specific things compared to them. So that the human view goes from viewing itself as the center of the universe to a parasite on the planet they are on.
The main characters would fight against that idea and cling on to the ideas that humanity is the greatest species of all. As the story goes on they will see people do really bad things that are no different from what the aliens are doing and have to come to terms with that. My plan is to have humanity revalue their role on earth and the universe as not it's kings but it's shepherds who should do their best to care for the planet they were born on. I don't want humanity to be viewed as the greatest species cause in the grand scheme of things we are nothing like our other species but I want our dualist nature to be on full display and how despite how we can be equally cruel as we are kind or dumb as we are smart we still try again.
now i really just want to see this guy write a sci fi series. this dialogue is really compelling ngl
“It’s not that we hate aliens, it’s that aliens hate freedom.”
-SuperEarth
I like the worldbuilding of Sanderson's Skyward series. It kinda combines the two into the image that humans are, most predominantly, extremely passionate. While not explicitly stated, it is repeatedly said of humans that they are "violent and aggressive", but what we see of them is them standing up and fighting for what they believe to be right and worth protecting. And passion is neither a good nor bad thing, but it's something noone can deny we do have in excess and it makes sense as the defining characteristic of our species as compared to alien races.
Also, humans aren't the silly geese who are behind in everything technological, at least not historically in that world. They were actually pretty average if not slightly above, with some areas of special expertise, as you'd expect. But saying anything more would be too spoilery.
That's odd because I would describe humanity as predominantly dispassionate, especially publicly. When we get publicly passionate, it tends to be a sign of looming atrocity.
@@seigeengine In my experience, what you show to the outside and what you feel are two completely separate things. People do not fully express their desires and emotions publicly because that's what they need to do for society to function. But that doesn't change the fact that we have them, and strongly at that. That's why when you bottle them up too much, when you do not have an outlet, things tend to burst after a while. We need entertainment, we need love and companionship and we need sexual activity or we break, at least most of us.
@@Buphido That's a really low bar for describing a species as "extremely passionate."
@@seigeengine Is it? We don't really have any species we could compare ourselves to directly in that regard, so saying "that's a low bar" may be akin to a giraffe watching a high jump comp. Just the fact that we are mammals probably makes us naturally more familial and caring for our young than 92% (google) of other animals on earth by mass. There are literal thousands, if not more, sites on the internet dedicated wholly and completely to sex, war over love, ideals and power are what shaped this planets history and we judge a person heavily by their ability of self-control (if we aren't passionate then what are they controlling?) so that they do not let their desires infringe upon those of others, which is the cornerstone of society.
But let's go over the definitions of passion (google):
1. "strong and barely controllable emotion":
There's a word for "self-control" because being able to control your emotions isn't a given. There are enough cases, daily, of humans who crack under societal pressure to NOT show their emotions to prove that humans have aplenty.
2. "a state or outburst of strong emotion":
Kinda covered in the first point. That aside, a species with much more passion than humans in this regard would likely barely get anything done, not even speaking of reaching space. Speaking as someone with ADHD here who has enough trouble containing my impulses as is, tho maybe that also makes me biased, idk.
3. "intense sexual love":
Yeah i already mentioned all the porn sites, I think I can move on.
4. "an intense desire or enthusiasm for something":
Art. Religion. Heated debates about politics with your racist dad. I think that counts.
5. "a thing arousing great enthusiasm":
Pretty much the previous point really.
All of this, and I feel like I'm still not doing justice to how driven humans are by the intensity of their emotions. Mood disorders, mental illnesses that mess with those emotions, are literally the second most prevalent mental health disorder among humans, affecting an estimated 10% of humans and only being topped (going by american stats) by anxiety disorders which cause feelings like fear in particular (Davis Behavioral Health). Yes, all living things have emotions, but I wager that this is still plenty to determine that humans are VERY passionate.
@seigeengine Why are you everywhere in this comment section? Why do you have such a passion for disagreeing with people over human nature. Also wtf do you mean low bar for being passionate, what do you expect?
2:43 The alien who doesn't have racism is being racist.
it's specieism, not racism
I kinda prefer version 2. Because it gets really tired listening to people who think they're oh so special and not like everyone else. :)
Version 2 also gets really tiring real fuckin quick, though. I vastly prefer version 3, in which the author does proper fucking worldbuilding
@@tendo649hitchhikers guide to the galaxy gets tiring!?
2 gets old, especially since it is like 95% of the sci-fi content out there
Now that I think about it, what popular franchises even follow type 1? There are plenty of one-shots, like Starship Troopers, but I can’t think of many recently
@@cara-seyun maybe the expanse?
Type 1 in general make more sense, but it is less about our love of creation and more because it is easier to hate/fight something you don't understand.
And of course money and freedom!
but it's less beneficial to you to fight everyone than to cooperate and share things, if intellegent live tends to maximize benefit then it should strife for more cooperation
@@higztv1166 Well said! I completely agree with you. Its just considering our history has intelligent creatures, we might have a hard time doing so. Espicialy if its from another world.
One thing about type 1 is it explains how every other species is evil except humans because we figured out how to work together but then also has those same evil species be starfaring. Which idk bout you but seems unlikely to get to that stage if they never figured out how to work together. It seems more likely to me that every species figured out how to work together but since they had to fight with other species in their own planet to survive, like us, they are inherently distrustful of anything different than them but inherently trustful of things like them.
@@higztv1166 Indiscriminate sharing is not the best way to cooperate though. The optimal middlepoint is allowed by our concept of property rights.
@@higztv1166 in the context of sci-fi, it depends, more specifically, it depends on how easy or hard it is to travel space. If you have super fast faster than light engines then it is more beneficial to cooperate, because there is an infinite amount of resorces at your disposal. However, on the oposit end, if there is no faster than light travel at all, it makes more sense to fight for resorces, because there is only so much you can acess, even tho the resources thenselves are infinite.