@@gregp103 Y'know what's even more boring than unnecessary words? Nitpickers. If language wasn't allowed to flow and evolve, we'd still be making caveman bellowing noises at each other.
I was 17 and in the Burbank airport in 1986 waiting to board a plane, while the incoming flight was walking in from the jetway. My dad suddenly says, "That's Mr. Scott!" and it was in fact James Doohan, who had just arrived from a Trek convention in Phoenix. He was even wearing a silver Trek jacket. I chased him down of course and simply said, "Mr. Doohan, I won't take up your time but just wanted to tell you how much you've inspired me as an engineer" or something like that. He said thank you, smiled and shook my hand. First class guy all the way, TOS would not be the same without him.
“In 1hr and 45 minutes the entire inhabited surface of your planet will be destroyed! You have that long to surrender your hostages” Yeah, Scotty was always a badass when in command.
Reader John That’s why I didn’t like it when they made Scotty into a non-command officer for the movies. I get that they had to do that in order to keep everybody together, but I still didn’t like it.
Kirk had a line in the beginning that I've used many times, "We're going in peacefully but peacefully or not we're going in." Usually will say it before we step into a bar
People of integrity do the right thing even at personal cost. Scotty and company have been in nearly identical circumstances before. Fox may be in charge of the mission, but Scotty is in charge of the ship. Fox can complain and Starfleet might even order Scotty confined, but good luck getting anyone else to drop the screens.
He was with Nana Visitor when they came to Minneapolis. I met her and got her autograph as well. I had the flu. I probably give it to both of them. I hope not.
The relationship/interaction between McCoy and Scott is super underrated. Both are masters of their craft and the mutual respect and admiration of each other's abilities shines in conversations like this.
James Doohan, Who played scotty was a real life badass. During the D-Day landings, he was shot four times in the leg, one shot took off a finger and one was stopped short of killing him by a cigarette case. After he recovered he went back to active duty where he pulled stunts such as slaloming through telephone poles with a military aircraft.
didn't some of his wounds come from friendly fire on dday? I thought I read that somewhere. Great guy, great character. And he worked for Kirk. The ultimate bad ass. He better do what he wanted.
Christopher Mendla He also had to teach Michael Parks how to ride a motorcycle when he first started in a "Then Came Bronson" episode. This came from his autobiography.
@@Qermaq It wasn't co-opting back then... if anything, it was an attempt to make the crew more diverse... newsflash, chekcov wasn't a real russian, and spock wasn't a real vulcan either The idea of finding authentic ppl for various ethnic or national roles was unheard of in the 60s... especially tv. The budgets were next to nothing and they used from the same pool of contract actors and they barely paid them. I'm never a fan of judging the past by today's rules. Ceasar had slaves and killed thousands, yet he isn't judged by today's rules. But what u have to keep in mind, this was the most diverse cast, the most liberal and socially aware show of it's time. Complete with the first interracial kiss in broadcast history. I can forgive them not finding a real scottsman considering how progressive the show and concept was.
According to novels, Scotty was tested very well at the Academy for being a commander, but he truly loved engineering. So he did all in his power to avoid command training and stick to engineering.
Apparently, Scotty's solution to the Kobayashi Maru was not totally different from Kirk's, namely doing something that only works in simulation to defeat the Klingon ships.
TheBigExclusive agreed, and you can see that prominently in the delightful but quite enduring episode, 'The trouble with Tribbles'. Scotty was not comfortable being in charge of the shore leave aboard the space station, especially dealing with the Klingons there. All he wanted was to work on his journals and stay aboard his favorite ship... his lady... The USS Enterprise.
@@odiemodie1 Really should have put Lt Uhura in charge of shore leave party if we're being honest. If he didn't want a brawl he probably shouldn't have let Scotty loose on the station with a bunch of klingons who know which buttons to push.
The writers of most Star Trek novels don't understand military hierarchy. Scott is obviously a Line Officer, specializing in Engineering, just as Spock is a Line Officer, specializing in Science. Either way, both of them would have received the necessary training - and all training does NOT have to be "at the Academy" just as all modern-day military training is not at West Point or Annapolis - to be command-grade officers. The writers of TOS seemed to usually recognize this in that Dr. McCoy, holding the rank of Lieutenant Commander, was never placed in command of the ship when Kirk or Spock were gone, because he was not in Line.
He lost a finger in the war - and Star Trek covered it up, thinking it would be odd for someone in a future with such advanced medicine to be missing a finger.
Contrary to what Mr. Fox believed, he did not have the authority to assume operational command. His order to Mr. Scott to lower the screens was *NOT* a lawful order. Mr. Scott had operational command of the vessel and was responsible for the safety of that vessel. Sometimes those in operational command have to use instinct. And instinct is recognized as command prerogative. All Scotty had to do is say, "I'm sorry, sir. In my command judgement, lowering the screens would put this vessel in extreme danger. I therefore must disobey that order, sir as I am responsible for the safety of this vessel until relieved by Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, or Starfleet Command. Sir." Addressing Mr. Fox with the title, Sir repeatedly, shows that while he is unable to follow that order, he still respects his authority in other matters. Yes, it's legal mumbo jumbo bullshit, but it covers Mr. Scott's ass; or his haggis as the case may be.
Scotty was being respectful, notice that he begins a few of his statements with Sir. Just because he doesnt revert to talking like a recruit starting and finishing every statement with Sir doesnt mean he intended any disrespect. The person you are talking to might even take it the wrong way and think that you are trying to be a smart ass. I was in the military and that's how that sort of thing was viewed. Even a few movies and shows show military people acting the same way. Using excessive "Sirs" or "Ma'ams" as a way of showing ones contempt without actually being disrespectful.
Kelly Rayburn in agreement. mr fox was not in mr scott's chain of command, nor should he have been designated by starfleet for anything other than diplomatic exchanges. he really had no authority assuming vessel command. so even though it made for a bad ass scotty scene, it was not as authentic as i believed you would have preferred. however, one particular scene, which displayed proper chain of command and "definitely" had bad ass drama would be matt decker assuming then relinquishing command in "the doomsday machine" episode
John Templeton Absolutely. Decker had authority to assume operational command. But Kirk being the C.O. of the vessel had authority to relieve him remotely.
Jekub Fimbulwing To paraphrase from another sci-fi show, "That's Scott, with two T's. There be another Scott in Star Fleet, eye, but not as friendly to diplomats."
Diplomats only operate successfully for as long as there is something to lose from ignoring the diplomat. they usually want things you don't want to give them, so unless there's some threat or power behind a diplomat, there's no reason not to tell them to piss up a rope. Reason in the absence of force is as impotent as force in the absence of reason is monstrous.
The funny part is Scotty was completely in the right. Given that the Eminians had already demonstrated hostile intentions against the Enterprise in both direct action and by having tried to falsify orders from Captain Kirk, Scotty's first duty was to the safety of the ship and her crew and passengers. Ambassador Fox, while completely within his remit to attempt a peaceful resolution to the situation, was acting well outside his authority to attempt to order Scotty to take action he had full reason to believe was against the best interest of the ship and crew. In the absence of authenticated orders from Captain Kirk or Commander Spock, Scotty could have even gone so far as to withdraw Enterprise from the system and, IMHO, been completely confident of any reivew board empaneled by Starfleet supporting his actions.
Exactly! It would be like L’Waxanna Troi telling Picard to lower the shields after getting blasted by some hostile aliens...ambassador is a title not a rank.
Scotty is the only red shirt to have survived the entire series, several movies, and an episode of TNG into retirement. If that's not badass I don't know what is!
Not true. Uhura, Rand, Lesley, Kyle (well, most in red but occasionally in yellow) seem to have survived into retirement despite their red shirts. I bet others also did.
Reminds me of the old question: Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, Dr. McCoy, and Ensign Lebowitz beam down to an alien planet. Which one will NOT return to the Enterprise?
Remember "The Doomsday Machine"? Scotty was working on getting the Constellation's engines back online but still took some time to re-charge a phaser bank. Scotty was a total badass throughout the show!
Every mission needs a man like Scotty-willing to stand his ground when he knows his superiors have taken leave of their senses. Even when it means his haggas will get tossed in the fire. Go get em Scotty and keep those screens up! Give that man a Sorian brandy on me
Of course, it doesn't figure prominently in the report, because Fox manages to get himself killed via his own stupidity. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if tan-shirts have an even lower life expectancy in TOS than red-shirts for that very reason.
@@thexalon Fox didn't die in this episode. Kirk and Spock managed to save his dumb ass when he was being herded to a disintegration booth. After Kirk's and Scott's badass diplomacy, they handed the situation over to Fox so he could make peace between the two warring worlds. Maybe it's my time as an NCO, but I love it when the people who know what they're doing ignore the suit with his head up his ass and do what needs to be done.
I had the honor of meeting James Doohan twice, and shook his hand once. He was an amazing person and actor. This scene was an important one of my youth; knowing when to take a stand and accepting the consequences of your actions
I don't blame Scotty for not lowering the shields. They hadn't heard from Captain Kirk plus the people on the planet below were behaving strangely so it'd be stupid to lower the shields.
Too bad Scotty wasn't there to back up Saavik when Reliant came wandering up acting strange. Kirk might have listened to regs instead of being caught with his pants down.
@@herbderbler1585 I think Kirk ignored Saavik because he knew she was really a barkeeper from Boston. But that's really just another reason to listen to her. I mean, everyone listened to Guinan on Deep Space Nine.
It always bothered me that they made the Simon Pegg version of Scotty in the newer movies look like a bumbling boob and comic relief, this is the real Scotty, man of courage and integrity standing tall for what's right
I could never picture Pegg's Scotty being in command. Doohan got quite a few comedic scenes ("It is Green" comes to mind), but also managed to portray a strong, decisive commander when needed. The closest I feel Pegg got to that was refusing to take the torpedoes on board in Into Darkness. Yes, he stood by his principles, but never gave the impression he could be the guy to take charge.
This has been demonstrated again and again throughout the series: Scotty was every inch the equal of Captain Kirk when it came to protecting the Enterprise ad her crew.
The only Scott moments I like better than this (2) are when he is in the Jeffries tube fixing the transporter (planet killer) and when he does dialogue with Kirk on who started the fight with the Klingons (tribbles). He is a first rate engineer and officer for Kirk.
When McCoy says "You want us to trust them openly?" Dee Kelley's Georgia accent comes out. :) And "Aye, the haggis is in the fire for sure." is one of the best lines ever!
He let you call him Dee? Was he a colleague? Jackson DeForest Kelley, known to colleagues as "Dee", was an American actor, screenwriter, poet, and singer known for his roles in Westerns and as Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy of the USS Enterprise in the television and film series Star Trek. Wikipedia Born: January 20, 1920, Toccoa, GA Died: June 11, 1999 Did he call you Sue? How close were you? 69 buddies?
My favorite scene in that episode is when they're trying to shove Ambassador Fox into the disintegration machine. He's fighting them like a cat being put into a cat carrier for a trip to the vet!
You can tell James D is ex-military (canadian artillery, lieutenant fought during d-day, took six bullets!) the way he hold's himself and the clipped no-nonsense tone is totally classic
Ah good old Scotty the most badass redshirt in TOS. He lives throughout the series and despite being just a legendary chief engineer he knows how to be a good commander as well..
He was ordered to fire artillery at a certain position on the field, but Doohan knew there were their own men at that spot. Firing as ordered would have killed them all, so he refused even in the face of a direct order to open fire. The investigation cleared him completely.
LordZontar Do you have a link for that? I thought it interesting and wanted to read more about it, but can find no links. I can re him being wounded, and slaloming an Auster between telegraph poles, but not this.
He was quite the badass in real life during the war, including having a finger shot off. They do a good job of hiding it in the series, but it can (or rather, can't 😉) be seen in a few scenes.
I did same thing during a live fire exercise in Yakima WA. some new Lt. wanted me to fire on EOD tech downrange, I told him they were still there. "NO they are not now fire that GD round. "NO SIR!" I said. He got in trouble when found I was right, he would have killed those two men.
That fight scene was in the Tribbles episode. It was great because not until the Klingon looking for trouble insulted the Enterprise did Scotty start the brawl.
The military drama was far more realistic when the writers were veterans, the producer was a vet and some of the actors were combat veterans. All three in play here. Scotty scenes remained the ones that resonate with people of military experience. The latter shows and movies reeked of fantasy military from comic books. STD and JJ-Trek was just plain silly when it comes to how officers behave and what they could get away with. Written by and for people that have distain for service life or just see it as a government jobs program.
Good points. Classic Trek does still does get accused of being only "mildly military". I'd heard the theory that since Roddenberry was a pilot in the war, Trek represents a pilot's view of what a cushy job the Navy have.. :-)
Agreed. It's crazy the amount of people that believe the diplomat/civilian leadership > military stuff, or that military people are all idiots. I don't even think it's just active/vets that resonates with. Long before I joined, I felt it was stupid whenever the "fantasy military" situations, as you put it, had civilians pulling rank in the middle of military matters. Yeah, there are good parts about having civilian leadership...when it comes to purse strings and authorization for war and the like. But when there's fighting going on, the people that are going to know best are the people that have been trained for it and understand it. I'd say maybe it's just a mindset thing - people with a mindset that will tend to military service probably understand that kind of thing even before/without it - but I honestly think it's more just the hippy anti-war/anti-military generation coming to power. I don't even think a majority of Americans believe it (I'm technically a millennial, but I think that kind of "Hollywood military") as an age thing. It's just people of THAT mindset, that "military = stupid jocks/bullies, civilian leadership = enlightened/educated". Particularly when you look at the reality: Military leadership is pretty highly educated. Almost all officers (and all Line officers) have a degree, and before screening for higher ranks and command, a masters is required. And that's before you get to the REALLY intelligent communities, like Nukes.
@@SubduedRadical 39 years old. I am by no means a millennial, but I damn sure ain't no hippy. However, I am fervently anti-war/anti-military. I would never claim the civilian government is smarter (Trump, anyone?), but I do still hold that having a degree does not make you smarter. The education provided by the military to its troops when they become officers is bullshit! It provides NOTHING useful in the civilian world. The military IS full of stupid jocks. After all, most soldiers are recruited straight out of high school. That is simply because by 30, you understand that joining the military is fucking stupid! You do realize the head of the Navy is a civilian, right? Starfleet Command is nothing but civilians in fact. Do you also realize there are MANY other people who should have been left in command of the ship BEFORE Kirk picked Scotty? The chief navigator would have been a better choice. Sulu would be picked if not for the fact that he is a second tier character.
@@protoborg My father served twenty years in the Air Force, and earned a degree in higher mathematics. He's also a top-notch civilian pilot. Take 50 military personnel from all branches, and 50 university students from across North America, and the military personnel will outperform the university brats in almost every way, except in social justice whining. As for who should have been left in command of the ship, Scotty is a Lieutenant Commander, and is the third-ranked officer on board; Sulu is only a lieutenant. The only other officer who matches Scotty's rank is Dr. McCoy, who's not in the chain of command. If you knew anything about how the military works, you would have known that.
One of the greatest scenes in all of Trek! Matched shortly after when he gives the General Order 24 ultimatum. “The entire inhabited surface of your world will be destroyed!” And you know he won’t hesitate to do it!
To give some credit to Ambassador Fox, once he saw first-hand how the Emenians were not interested in his diplomatic overtures, he was able to pick up a disruptor and participate in a more “active” way. “I have never been a soldier . . . But I learn very quickly” Scotty was on his best bad-ass behavior here.
Scotty demonstrated---and not for the first time---that he was every inch the equal of Captain Kirk when it came to protecting the Enterprise and her crew.
Watch Season 3's "The Enterprise Incident." Scotty is a real badass in this episode. The show starts with Scotty in command, surrounded by Romulan ships. A Romulan commander tells him to prepare to be boarded. Scotty tells the Romulan that if they try, he'll blow up the Enterprise and take as many Romulans as he can with him. Total badass.
Jon Ericson: You are correct, Sir! Actor James Doohan was a Lieutenant Colonel in the Canadian 3rd Infantry Division during WW2 where he saw combat in the Normandy D-Day invasion.
@@ericdunn360 What a joke - a pompous ass on an internet board calling someone else "jackass." Thank God for block - it was developed for people like you with a bad case of internet muscles.
I know James Doohan was Canadian, but damn, this bit make me proud to be a Scot. Apparently he went through this in the army in WW2, when a callous officer ordered a war game that would have injured or killed several soldiers. Doohan refused. Fortunately, the overall commander agreed with his decision. Man was an honorary Scot in every sense of the word. Rest in peace, sir.
Favorite Scotty moment: When Spock was getting the nurse to slap him over and over again to get him out of a potential coma and Scotty came in in the middle. "Are ya DAFT WOMAN??' HAHAHAHAH!!!!!
The producers and writers of Star Trek knew they needed a badass, and Scotty became the man. Once again, in temporary command in "Friday's Child," the Enterprise encounters a Klingon ship right in the path of the Enterprise. Scotty says, "We'll go right down their throat if necessary, let's see if they have the belly for it." Total badass.
I'll never forget James Doohan carousing with us and singing pub songs at night at the hotel bar during DixieTrek back in the 90s. One of those times that you remember almost as if it was yesterday. What an awesome person he was!
Scotty loved a good blend of Scotch and loved the Enterprise engines maybe more. And whenever Scotty was in temporary command, you could almost count on some real badass stuff going down. I think this is the episode when Scotty says that the best diplomacy he knows is a fully-charged phaser bank (or words to that effect).
Picard - The Armenians would have gotten tired of having to listen to Picard reasoning and would have released the Hostages. Cisco - Would have fired a couple of quantum torpedoes into a vacant area just outside the city, then opened communications to arrange a pickup for the Hostages. Janeway - Would send Seven in to distract...... I mean, negotiate with the council while a team covertly beams in to locate and extract them. Archer - Would polarize the hull.
@@DocMicrowave The NX Enterprise probably would have gotten wrecked by the Emenian sonic disruptors. Their design seems tailor made to rip apart unshielded ships which suggests that's what the Emenians were used to fighting. The NX Enterprise really had no defense against them because it had no shields. Probably why first contact was not successfully made in Archer's era despite the "war" between Emeniar and Vendikar being ongoing at that point. One of the things ST Enterprise did fairly well was play the game of "What if the titular ship isn't just the biggest baddest scariest most powerful thing in the known quadrant?" As for Sisko, I honestly think he would have sent Lt. Dax to make first contact and then ended up being the one on Defiant organizing the rescue. The Federation of his era wouldn't have put Ambassador Foxx in charge of the mission though so Sisko would have had a freer hand.
@@ricardocastillo5485 Indeed. Just thinking of all the conflicts were he didn't take any mess. Opened with reason, had no trouble taking it to live fire if the other side continued to present a danger. And he punched Q!!
May brother and I got to meet "Scotty" James Doohan, at a Trek convention many years ago. He was a kind gentleman who shook our hands and chatted like we were buddies.
This is one of my favorite Scotty moments. As far as episodes that revolve around Scotty go, my favorite was "Wolf In the Fold." I also liked his significant role in "By Any Other Name." (When he had to drink an alien under the table.) That said, I'm glad Mr. Fox got to redeem himself in this episode.
I was fortunate enough to meet James Doohan, Martin Landau, and, and Ernest Bourgnine, at Cons, near the end of their lives. The Borg was twenty years older than the other two, but very much alive to the last. Respect.
Mountain Fisher I laughed at that too. I'm Scottish and I've never said that before. I will use it now though and it'll be a common phrase by the 24th century.😁
This episode was quoted in For All Mankind as well. “But the instinct can be fought. We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes.”
I knew something was off, I had to watch it three times to catch it. At first I was wondering why Uhura was on the right side of the door, then I noticed the shirt's insignias were on the wrong side.
First rule of being a captain: The Safety of the ship above all else. As acting captain, he is in his rights, and no diplomat has authority to override it.
I remember this episode; Scotty does have "balls" but Fox is actually wrong when he says his orders are Preeminent. If you recall the first part of this episode when they proceed to the planet on Fox's orders (against the planets' expressed warning) and assume orbit, Fox orders Kirk to beam him down to the planet. Kirk refuses and reveals to Fox to his apparent surprised that Kirk's command orders made him responsible for Fox's safety. It was Kirk and party who transported to the planet (that's how Kirk got captured) while Fox remained on the ship. If you are responsible for someone's safety then you implicitly have authority over them in a threat situation; if the ship is attacked (it was by the planet) it defaults to your command authority to take whatever actions you see fit to ensure the ship's (and by logical extension Fox's) safety; Starfleet would have likely backed Scotty up. Starfleet's order making Kirk responsible (& by extension Scotty as acting Commander in Kirks' absence) for Fox's safety is actually cutting Fox off at the knees authority wise, probably by Starfleet's intention. Starfleet command would resist putting one of their big capital starships completely under the command of a "that popinjay Fox" diplomat if they could help it.
Agreed. Fox was vastly exceeding his authority. You can tell by the fact that he didn't order the Bridge crew to arrest Scotty. if he actually thought he was right and had operational command of the vessel he would have had Scotty arrested for insubordination, or at least tried to do so. Instead all he can threaten him with is a nasty letter to Fox's own superiors and getting him in political trouble. Sure sign of a bully who's way too used to getting his own way. And yeah, Fox's authority over the ship disappeared the moment the ship was fired upon. He still had command over the mission, but the mission was just him and his aide. Scott was free to operate under his own orders to assist Fox in the way he thought best.
Typical McCoy. He defends Scotty to the diplomat dude. But as soon as the latter leaves, he tells Scotty how much trouble he is in. Leonard 'Doom and Gloom' McCoy. BTW - the video is reversed. ☮
Not only a good first officer, that's the best way to appeal to people in general (if you confront them in public/open, Humans have a STRONG tendency to hunker down on their positions to try and save face). It's also the sign of a good friend.
It is always more interesting when two characters interact when they don't normally do so. Very rarely is McCoy in conversation with Scotty; but those moments were excellent. Even better: Scotty's joking about Chekov's drink in "Tribbles." The problem is, Star Trek made the same mistake as Lost in Space: Both shows should have been ensembles; but eventually, both of them revolved around only three characters, while everyone else became a nearly-useless backdrop. James Doohan and Guy Williams resented that, and I can't say I blame them.
As many times as I have seen this episode I just now caught on that it was reversed imaged. At first I thought wardrobe had messed up and put the Star Fleet emblem on the wrong side of their uniforms.
Scotty was every inch the equal of Captain Kirk when it came to protecting the Enterprise and her crew. He demonstrated this not only in his outright defiance of Ambassador Fox on the bridge---"You can do what you want, BUT THE SCREENS STAY UP!"---but also in moving the giant starship out of phaser range.
The ambassador may have operational authority, but Scotty as the (acting) captain of the Enterprise has shipwide authority, which means since he's ultimately responsible for the safety of the ship and crew, that supersedes operational authority when those things are threatened.
Fox was wrong in this. His authority only covered his diplomatic mission. Scotty was not only the Chief Engineer, but 3d in Command (As Starfleet had not created the Operations Officer slot that we saw in TNG) AND the officer placed in charge by the ship's CO. Choosing not to trust an enemy who had already tried deception to stage an attack was his legal call. His use of "Sir" was only an issue of respect for Fox's rank and position, not the man's non-existent authority. Similarly, as Fox kept trying to force his view on the legal CO on the scene, Scotty could have had him locked in the Brig.
@@AllYourBaseRBelong2Us No, he can't. The diplomat's "command area of responsibility" is his diplomatic mission. In this, case the Enterprise was the method by which he got to the planet but is a separate command area under its own chain of command. While in this case, the mission was to support Fox's mission, that mission would have been put on hold at best the instance hostile action against CPT Kirk and his away team was taken. Thus, Fox had no legal authority to order Scotty to do anything, from getting a cup of coffee up to lowering shields.
Remember, it's Scotty's ship, Captain Kirk just drives it for him.
There needs to be about 170lb situated in a certain spot on the bridge, for ballast during warp travel.
Straight up fact.
I buy internet just for comments like these
`Actually, Captain Kirk just navigates it. It is Sulu and Chekov that drive it!
@@Thelby1 Sulu (helmsman) drives it. Chekov navigates it. Captain Kirk COMMANDS it.
The fact that Mr. Scott wore a red shirt and survived should tell you all you need to know about him.
What if you started your sentence with "That"?
This "the fact" fad shoved into every sentence needs to die. Unnecessary words are boring.
Haha, good observation! Red shirt guys never lasted long on that show.
He was killed once, but it got better.
@@mitchthompson8106 wasn't it TWICE?
@@gregp103 Y'know what's even more boring than unnecessary words?
Nitpickers.
If language wasn't allowed to flow and evolve, we'd still be making caveman bellowing noises at each other.
Scotty: "The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank." 😂
Spock: "The sole purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis."
Clearly, Scotty favored gunboat diplomacy.
The Klingons always want to know which Federation ships have Scotsmen in the crew so they know which ones to avoid getting into a fight with.
you beat me to it
5 quatloo demerits for the newcomer
The line is actually "...a fully activated phaser bank", not charged
I was 17 and in the Burbank airport in 1986 waiting to board a plane, while the incoming flight was walking in from the jetway. My dad suddenly says, "That's Mr. Scott!" and it was in fact James Doohan, who had just arrived from a Trek convention in Phoenix. He was even wearing a silver Trek jacket. I chased him down of course and simply said, "Mr. Doohan, I won't take up your time but just wanted to tell you how much you've inspired me as an engineer" or something like that. He said thank you, smiled and shook my hand. First class guy all the way, TOS would not be the same without him.
Aye.
I always liked when scotty was left in command. I knew some bad assness was gonna happen.
"I know the saying. It was invented in Russia!" --Chekov (ua-cam.com/video/al2z7t3M9Og/v-deo.html)
“In 1hr and 45 minutes the entire inhabited surface of your planet will be destroyed! You have that long to surrender your hostages” Yeah, Scotty was always a badass when in command.
Reader John That’s why I didn’t like it when they made Scotty into a non-command officer for the movies. I get that they had to do that in order to keep everybody together, but I still didn’t like it.
Ohhhhh yea, you just knew that Scotty was going to fuck up someones day LOL
MrHoppers002 Fact!
"Aye. The haggis is in the fire for sure."
Finn McCool :.. ha! That was classic
I'm stealing this line, seeing as my family is 1/7 Scottish anyway....
Kirk had a line in the beginning that I've used many times, "We're going in peacefully but peacefully or not we're going in." Usually will say it before we step into a bar
I love this line for some reason. I know no real scotsman would say that but its such a Scotty line.
People of integrity do the right thing even at personal cost. Scotty and company have been in nearly identical circumstances before. Fox may be in charge of the mission, but Scotty is in charge of the ship. Fox can complain and Starfleet might even order Scotty confined, but good luck getting anyone else to drop the screens.
Toughest red shirt that ever lived!
The _only_ red shirt that lived!
You do realize how many red shirts died they didn't even give them names just numbers
Red Shirt's Lives Matter.
Waltham1892; LOL!
And the name "Ensign Expendable."
Lincoln Enterprises used to sell a red t-shirt with a big bullseye and the words "Starfleet Security" on it!
I'm watching TOS for the first time and I'm blown away with how badass Scotty is when he's in command.
My favorite Scotty moment. "I can have you sent to a penal colony for this." "That you can, sir. But I won't lower the screens."
as well he shouldn't lower the screens, the screens keep out the flies.....yeah wrong screens, phase me lolz
@@Red_Lanterns_Rage Oooo, you're bad.
@@Paddydhistorian I am a supervillain....lolz
@@Red_Lanterns_Rage lololol 😂
yes scotty could have put the ambassador in the brig afterall. i mean they were a long ways from earth . so fox got away scot free😀
I met James Doohan at a Star Trek convention in 1993 and got his autograph. He was a nice, gracious man.
No you didn't.
Saw him a Doctor Who/ Star Trek con in Boston back in the mid-eighties. I had the same experience with him.
He was a ww2 vet and hero as well
As did I, at least it was around 93'. Johnson City TN, he did a convention with Robin Curtis.
He was with Nana Visitor when they came to Minneapolis. I met her and got her autograph as well. I had the flu. I probably give it to both of them. I hope not.
Lieutenant Commander LTCMDR Montgomery Scott Chief Engineer Constitution Class Starship United Space Ship Enterprise NCC-1701, No bloody A B C or D.
Or E or F.
@@thrawn323 *whoosh* You missed it...
@@Saintbow I don't think he did miss it. If Scotty were alive today, it would have included E and F.
Scotty was a badass, because the the part was written specifically for James Doohan, who was even more badass in real life.
Input given to the Holodeck in a TNG Episode.
The relationship/interaction between McCoy and Scott is super underrated. Both are masters of their craft and the mutual respect and admiration of each other's abilities shines in conversations like this.
James Doohan, Who played scotty was a real life badass. During the D-Day landings, he was shot four times in the leg, one shot took off a finger and one was stopped short of killing him by a cigarette case. After he recovered he went back to active duty where he pulled stunts such as slaloming through telephone poles with a military aircraft.
The craziest pilot in the RCAF who wasn't actually in the RCAF. :D
Christopher Mendla, damn that moment when Scotty had ptsd for a min in the first season makes sense now.
Christopher Mendla Yes
didn't some of his wounds come from friendly fire on dday? I thought I read that somewhere. Great guy, great character. And he worked for Kirk. The ultimate bad ass. He better do what he wanted.
Christopher Mendla He also had to teach Michael Parks how to ride a motorcycle when he first started in a "Then Came Bronson" episode. This came from his autobiography.
It was Doohan's idea to make the Scotty character Scottish. He told Roddenberry, "If Scotty is an engineer, then he should be Scottish."
Early example of co-opting a heritage ;)
@@Qermaq It wasn't co-opting back then... if anything, it was an attempt to make the crew more diverse... newsflash, chekcov wasn't a real russian, and spock wasn't a real vulcan either
The idea of finding authentic ppl for various ethnic or national roles was unheard of in the 60s... especially tv. The budgets were next to nothing and they used from the same pool of contract actors and they barely paid them.
I'm never a fan of judging the past by today's rules. Ceasar had slaves and killed thousands, yet he isn't judged by today's rules.
But what u have to keep in mind, this was the most diverse cast, the most liberal and socially aware show of it's time. Complete with the first interracial kiss in broadcast history.
I can forgive them not finding a real scottsman considering how progressive the show and concept was.
@@billybobbaldilocks9649 I was winking there. I agree with all you said.
@@Qermaq I feel ya.. wasn't attacking ya.... by strict definition, ur absolutely correct... we just know there was more to it. Have a good 'un.
@@billybobbaldilocks9649 No worries. Now that you bring it up, why aren't actual Vulcans getting roles in Star Trek? :/ :D
According to novels, Scotty was tested very well at the Academy for being a commander, but he truly loved engineering. So he did all in his power to avoid command training and stick to engineering.
Apparently, Scotty's solution to the Kobayashi Maru was not totally different from Kirk's, namely doing something that only works in simulation to defeat the Klingon ships.
TheBigExclusive agreed, and you can see that prominently in the delightful but quite enduring episode, 'The trouble with Tribbles'. Scotty was not comfortable being in charge of the shore leave aboard the space station, especially dealing with the Klingons there. All he wanted was to work on his journals and stay aboard his favorite ship... his lady... The USS Enterprise.
@@odiemodie1 Really should have put Lt Uhura in charge of shore leave party if we're being honest. If he didn't want a brawl he probably shouldn't have let Scotty loose on the station with a bunch of klingons who know which buttons to push.
The writers of most Star Trek novels don't understand military hierarchy. Scott is obviously a Line Officer, specializing in Engineering, just as Spock is a Line Officer, specializing in Science. Either way, both of them would have received the necessary training - and all training does NOT have to be "at the Academy" just as all modern-day military training is not at West Point or Annapolis - to be command-grade officers. The writers of TOS seemed to usually recognize this in that Dr. McCoy, holding the rank of Lieutenant Commander, was never placed in command of the ship when Kirk or Spock were gone, because he was not in Line.
He certainly commanded the engineering crew well. And they seemed to both trust and respect him.
James Doohan was a badass in real life to officer in the Canadian army during Normandy invasion
He had a similar situation In real life too about refusing to abandon soldiers and didn't get done for it
Military Service
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Doohan#Military_service
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He lost a finger in the war - and Star Trek covered it up, thinking it would be odd for someone in a future with such advanced medicine to be missing a finger.
@@HeatherSpoonheim If you watch you see it at times.
@@mikeyoung9810 I'm not the sort to notice such details. Once pointed out, yeah, I can even spot Radar O'Reilly's hand deformity.
Contrary to what Mr. Fox believed, he did not have the authority to assume operational command. His order to Mr. Scott to lower the screens was *NOT* a lawful order. Mr. Scott had operational command of the vessel and was responsible for the safety of that vessel. Sometimes those in operational command have to use instinct. And instinct is recognized as command prerogative. All Scotty had to do is say, "I'm sorry, sir. In my command judgement, lowering the screens would put this vessel in extreme danger. I therefore must disobey that order, sir as I am responsible for the safety of this vessel until relieved by Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, or Starfleet Command. Sir."
Addressing Mr. Fox with the title, Sir repeatedly, shows that while he is unable to follow that order, he still respects his authority in other matters. Yes, it's legal mumbo jumbo bullshit, but it covers Mr. Scott's ass; or his haggis as the case may be.
But that would have made for a far less dramatic scene.
sct913 True. But I would find it more believable.
Scotty was being respectful, notice that he begins a few of his statements with Sir. Just because he doesnt revert to talking like a recruit starting and finishing every statement with Sir doesnt mean he intended any disrespect. The person you are talking to might even take it the wrong way and think that you are trying to be a smart ass. I was in the military and that's how that sort of thing was viewed. Even a few movies and shows show military people acting the same way. Using excessive "Sirs" or "Ma'ams" as a way of showing ones contempt without actually being disrespectful.
Kelly Rayburn in agreement. mr fox was not in mr scott's chain of command, nor should he have been designated by starfleet for anything other than diplomatic exchanges. he really had no authority assuming vessel command. so even though it made for a bad ass scotty scene, it was not as authentic as i believed you would have preferred. however, one particular scene, which displayed proper chain of command and "definitely" had bad ass drama would be matt decker assuming then relinquishing command in "the doomsday machine" episode
John Templeton Absolutely. Decker had authority to assume operational command. But Kirk being the C.O. of the vessel had authority to relieve him remotely.
"I'll make sure your name figures prominently in my report to Star Fleet."
"It's Montgomery Scott! Make sure you spell it correctly.
Get outta ma head, laddie!
Jekub Fimbulwing
To paraphrase from another sci-fi show, "That's Scott, with two T's. There be another Scott in Star Fleet, eye, but not as friendly to diplomats."
Fine. Ye can report me, sir. Make sure ye take this down. Montgomery Scott. That's Scott, with two T's.
Jekub Fimbulwing LOL
Two T's
"Diplomats! The best diplomat I know is a fully-charged phaser bank."-Montgomery Scott
He's not wrong.
@@TGNXAR not at all
Diplomats only operate successfully for as long as there is something to lose from ignoring the diplomat. they usually want things you don't want to give them, so unless there's some threat or power behind a diplomat, there's no reason not to tell them to piss up a rope.
Reason in the absence of force is as impotent as force in the absence of reason is monstrous.
@@hagamapama Yeah, in diplomacy, one either needs leverage or the ability to fake it.
"... Fully activated."
Scotty saved the ship far more times than any other character. He was by far the best.
You tell him Scotty,. Another example of great characters and why we still love this show.
"We must acknowledge once and for all that the purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis."
Spock, in _The Mark of Gideon_
Classic. One of his best ever lines.
His 1st duty was to his ship and crew. That makes Scotty a good captain.
The funny part is Scotty was completely in the right. Given that the Eminians had already demonstrated hostile intentions against the Enterprise in both direct action and by having tried to falsify orders from Captain Kirk, Scotty's first duty was to the safety of the ship and her crew and passengers. Ambassador Fox, while completely within his remit to attempt a peaceful resolution to the situation, was acting well outside his authority to attempt to order Scotty to take action he had full reason to believe was against the best interest of the ship and crew. In the absence of authenticated orders from Captain Kirk or Commander Spock, Scotty could have even gone so far as to withdraw Enterprise from the system and, IMHO, been completely confident of any reivew board empaneled by Starfleet supporting his actions.
Exactly! It would be like L’Waxanna Troi telling Picard to lower the shields after getting blasted by some hostile aliens...ambassador is a title not a rank.
He should have transported the ambassador to an unspecified location and scattered his atoms all over the universe!
@@ToddSauve LOL!
Scotty is the only red shirt to have survived the entire series, several movies, and an episode of TNG into retirement. If that's not badass I don't know what is!
Uhura was also a red shirt.
Not true. Uhura, Rand, Lesley, Kyle (well, most in red but occasionally in yellow) seem to have survived into retirement despite their red shirts. I bet others also did.
Reminds me of the old question: Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, Dr. McCoy, and Ensign Lebowitz beam down to an alien planet. Which one will NOT return to the Enterprise?
Man survived 80 years in a pattern buffer. Poor franklin.
Scotty's first responsibility is to the safety of the ship and its crew. He's in command. Its his decision.
Remember "The Doomsday Machine"? Scotty was working on getting the Constellation's engines back online but still took some time to re-charge a phaser bank. Scotty was a total badass throughout the show!
My favorite episode of the entire series. With "Balance of Terror" a close second.
As a result, he earned his salary for the week.
I am VERY PROUD of Scotty!!! ALWAYS STAND YOUR GROUND and do the RIGHT THING!!!!!
Good ol' Scotty...every ship on sea or in space needs one. RIP Mr. Doohan.
Every mission needs a man like Scotty-willing to stand his ground when he knows his superiors have taken leave of their senses. Even when it means his haggas will get tossed in the fire. Go get em Scotty and keep those screens up! Give that man a Sorian brandy on me
Scotty doesn't need any fancy brandy, he just needs something green!
Some good ol' scotch is the only thing for Scotty!
That would be "haggis", and Saurian brandy.
That's why we voted trump.
Kind of hard to do that from St. Petersburg, eh Grigorich?
"Your name will figure prominently in my report to the Federation Central." Yeah, it sure will - as the one man who saved their collective asses!
And if he'd had to go through with general order 24, there wouldn't have been a report. ;)
"Your name will figure prominently in my report to the Federation Central."
"It's spelled M-O-N-T...."
Of course, it doesn't figure prominently in the report, because Fox manages to get himself killed via his own stupidity. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if tan-shirts have an even lower life expectancy in TOS than red-shirts for that very reason.
The ambassador wasn't killed...
@@thexalon
Fox didn't die in this episode. Kirk and Spock managed to save his dumb ass when he was being herded to a disintegration booth. After Kirk's and Scott's badass diplomacy, they handed the situation over to Fox so he could make peace between the two warring worlds.
Maybe it's my time as an NCO, but I love it when the people who know what they're doing ignore the suit with his head up his ass and do what needs to be done.
I had the honor of meeting James Doohan twice, and shook his hand once. He was an amazing person and actor. This scene was an important one of my youth; knowing when to take a stand and accepting the consequences of your actions
Every Scotty moment in this episode is pure joy. One of the all-time classics.
I don't blame Scotty for not lowering the shields. They hadn't heard from Captain Kirk plus the people on the planet below were behaving strangely so it'd be stupid to lower the shields.
Probably wasn't Star Fleet policy anyway.
Excellent analogy ....
Too bad Scotty wasn't there to back up Saavik when Reliant came wandering up acting strange. Kirk might have listened to regs instead of being caught with his pants down.
Plus they tried to fake a message from the Captain. I wouldn't trust my safety to a known liar.
@@herbderbler1585
I think Kirk ignored Saavik because he knew she was really a barkeeper from Boston. But that's really just another reason to listen to her. I mean, everyone listened to Guinan on Deep Space Nine.
It always bothered me that they made the Simon Pegg version of Scotty in the newer movies look like a bumbling boob and comic relief, this is the real Scotty, man of courage and integrity standing tall for what's right
I could never picture Pegg's Scotty being in command. Doohan got quite a few comedic scenes ("It is Green" comes to mind), but also managed to portray a strong, decisive commander when needed. The closest I feel Pegg got to that was refusing to take the torpedoes on board in Into Darkness. Yes, he stood by his principles, but never gave the impression he could be the guy to take charge.
@@Phil_KaneONite_Wood True
don't ever say that Scotty didn't have balls.
You hear that clanging around down there on the engineering deck? No, it's not Scotty's wrench. It's his IRON CLAD COHONES!! XD
This has been demonstrated again and again throughout the series: Scotty was every inch the equal of Captain Kirk when it came to protecting the Enterprise ad her crew.
IRL too. The man got a finger shot off on D-Day while flying a attack run!
The only Scott moments I like better than this (2) are when he is in the Jeffries tube fixing the transporter (planet killer) and when he does dialogue with Kirk on who started the fight with the Klingons (tribbles). He is a first rate engineer and officer for Kirk.
burtonryan50 in real life the james doohan actor was a d day vetran hero.. he basically was in the scene from saving private ryan
When McCoy says "You want us to trust them openly?" Dee Kelley's Georgia accent comes out. :) And "Aye, the haggis is in the fire for sure." is one of the best lines ever!
He let you call him Dee? Was he a colleague?
Jackson DeForest Kelley, known to colleagues as "Dee", was an American actor, screenwriter, poet, and singer known for his roles in Westerns and as Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy of the USS Enterprise in the television and film series Star Trek. Wikipedia
Born: January 20, 1920, Toccoa, GA
Died: June 11, 1999
Did he call you Sue? How close were you? 69 buddies?
My favorite scene in that episode is when they're trying to shove Ambassador Fox into the disintegration machine. He's fighting them like a cat being put into a cat carrier for a trip to the vet!
You can tell James D is ex-military (canadian artillery, lieutenant fought during d-day, took six bullets!) the way he hold's himself and the clipped no-nonsense tone is totally classic
What would the big D think of your apostrophe in holds?
Another Great Canadian actor...Scotty we all miss you!
"Not until I know what happened to the captain" Rest in Peace James Doogan
Who was James Doogan???
James DoHan ... close missed by one letter on the keyboard ;)
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pro patria Jimmy
Ah good old Scotty the most badass redshirt in TOS. He lives throughout the series and despite being just a legendary chief engineer he knows how to be a good commander as well..
You tell him, Scotty.
Apparently James Doohan really got in trouble for doing something like this during the war he was in.
He was ordered to fire artillery at a certain position on the field, but Doohan knew there were their own men at that spot. Firing as ordered would have killed them all, so he refused even in the face of a direct order to open fire. The investigation cleared him completely.
Good for him.
LordZontar Do you have a link for that? I thought it interesting and wanted to read more about it, but can find no links. I can re him being wounded, and slaloming an Auster between telegraph poles, but not this.
He was quite the badass in real life during the war, including having a finger shot off. They do a good job of hiding it in the series, but it can (or rather, can't 😉) be seen in a few scenes.
I did same thing during a live fire exercise in Yakima WA. some new Lt. wanted me to fire on EOD tech downrange, I told him they were still there. "NO they are not now fire that GD round. "NO SIR!" I said. He got in trouble when found I was right, he would have killed those two men.
That _was_ a pretty cool scene. Scotty also started a fistfight with a bunch of Klingons. Don't mess with Scotty.
That fight scene was in the Tribbles episode. It was great because not until the Klingon looking for trouble insulted the Enterprise did Scotty start the brawl.
@@rickarnold6825 Keep in mind the Klingon asshole also interrupted him during his drinking contest with Chekov. F around and find out, Klingon.
0:05 The moment he says "I give you my word," you know he's lying.
Scene is inverted to avoid possible copyright infringement issues. Insignias and Uhura are on the opposite side.
Genius
This may avoid detection, but has nothing to do with avoiding infringement.
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@@bellesogne LOL
@@bellesogne GENIUS!
The military drama was far more realistic when the writers were veterans, the producer was a vet and some of the actors were combat veterans. All three in play here. Scotty scenes remained the ones that resonate with people of military experience.
The latter shows and movies reeked of fantasy military from comic books. STD and JJ-Trek was just plain silly when it comes to how officers behave and what they could get away with. Written by and for people that have distain for service life or just see it as a government jobs program.
Good points.
Classic Trek does still does get accused of being only "mildly military". I'd heard the theory that since Roddenberry was a pilot in the war, Trek represents a pilot's view of what a cushy job the Navy have.. :-)
Epi Endless Yes...walking a mile in another man's moccasins tends to open your mind to alternatives in life...whether you're former military or not.
Agreed. It's crazy the amount of people that believe the diplomat/civilian leadership > military stuff, or that military people are all idiots. I don't even think it's just active/vets that resonates with. Long before I joined, I felt it was stupid whenever the "fantasy military" situations, as you put it, had civilians pulling rank in the middle of military matters. Yeah, there are good parts about having civilian leadership...when it comes to purse strings and authorization for war and the like. But when there's fighting going on, the people that are going to know best are the people that have been trained for it and understand it.
I'd say maybe it's just a mindset thing - people with a mindset that will tend to military service probably understand that kind of thing even before/without it - but I honestly think it's more just the hippy anti-war/anti-military generation coming to power. I don't even think a majority of Americans believe it (I'm technically a millennial, but I think that kind of "Hollywood military") as an age thing. It's just people of THAT mindset, that "military = stupid jocks/bullies, civilian leadership = enlightened/educated".
Particularly when you look at the reality: Military leadership is pretty highly educated. Almost all officers (and all Line officers) have a degree, and before screening for higher ranks and command, a masters is required. And that's before you get to the REALLY intelligent communities, like Nukes.
@@SubduedRadical 39 years old. I am by no means a millennial, but I damn sure ain't no hippy. However, I am fervently anti-war/anti-military. I would never claim the civilian government is smarter (Trump, anyone?), but I do still hold that having a degree does not make you smarter. The education provided by the military to its troops when they become officers is bullshit! It provides NOTHING useful in the civilian world. The military IS full of stupid jocks. After all, most soldiers are recruited straight out of high school. That is simply because by 30, you understand that joining the military is fucking stupid!
You do realize the head of the Navy is a civilian, right? Starfleet Command is nothing but civilians in fact. Do you also realize there are MANY other people who should have been left in command of the ship BEFORE Kirk picked Scotty? The chief navigator would have been a better choice. Sulu would be picked if not for the fact that he is a second tier character.
@@protoborg My father served twenty years in the Air Force, and earned a degree in higher mathematics. He's also a top-notch civilian pilot. Take 50 military personnel from all branches, and 50 university students from across North America, and the military personnel will outperform the university brats in almost every way, except in social justice whining.
As for who should have been left in command of the ship, Scotty is a Lieutenant Commander, and is the third-ranked officer on board; Sulu is only a lieutenant. The only other officer who matches Scotty's rank is Dr. McCoy, who's not in the chain of command. If you knew anything about how the military works, you would have known that.
"Aye, the haggis is in the fire now for sure."
James Doohan walked not 2ft while passing me at a convention in 1976. I'll always remember that. 🖖
Liar.
cool story bro
@Logic Police I've got T-shirts older than you are.
In 1986 Nichelle Nichols rubbed her tampon up against the quarter panel of my Pontiac Fiero GT.
I’m sure Jimmy never forgot that moment either. 😉
One of the greatest scenes in all of Trek! Matched shortly after when he gives the General Order 24 ultimatum. “The entire inhabited surface of your world will be destroyed!” And you know he won’t hesitate to do it!
To give some credit to Ambassador Fox, once he saw first-hand how the Emenians were not interested in his diplomatic overtures, he was able to pick up a disruptor and participate in a more “active” way.
“I have never been a soldier . . . But I learn very quickly”
Scotty was on his best bad-ass behavior here.
my favorite scotty moment by far!
Scotty demonstrated---and not for the first time---that he was every inch the equal of Captain Kirk when it came to protecting the Enterprise and her crew.
ninjaexitonly 😊
How about when he decked the drunken Klingon in "The Trouble with Tribbles"?
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"The haggis is in the fire for sure"? ROFL! That one had me on the floor.
I always loved Scotty!!! I wish he would have been given more stories that featured him. He was a great leader.
"Aye, the haggis is in the fire!"
...said no Scotsman, ever.
You mean yet. This takes place in the 23rd Century after all.
Watch Season 3's "The Enterprise Incident." Scotty is a real badass in this episode. The show starts with Scotty in command, surrounded by Romulan ships. A Romulan commander tells him to prepare to be boarded. Scotty tells the Romulan that if they try, he'll blow up the Enterprise and take as many Romulans as he can with him. Total badass.
Scotty was not in command at the start of the episode, Kirk was. Scotty only took command after Kirk and Spock left the ship.
@@michaelproctor8100 Actually you're right about that. Sorry; my error.
Scotty drinks likes crazy and he's tough as nails!!
That's my boy!!
And then you see what the actor did IRL. Dude was a pilot in WW2!
Jon Ericson:
You are correct, Sir!
Actor James Doohan was a Lieutenant Colonel in the Canadian 3rd Infantry Division during WW2 where he saw combat in the Normandy D-Day invasion.
Being competent seems more important.
@@JnEricsonx A pilot in WWII but also an infantry commander who fought in the D-Day landings. Tough SOB.
This is a man who survived Omaha Beach. I'll take his instincts every time.
James Doohan was at Juno Beach, Get Your history right jack@$$.
@@ericdunn360 you might want to switch to decaf.
@@ericdunn360 What a joke - a pompous ass on an internet board calling someone else "jackass." Thank God for block - it was developed for people like you with a bad case of internet muscles.
No he didn't...
Diplomacy? That is the art of saying "Nice doggie!" while grabbing a very BIG stick! lol
I know James Doohan was Canadian, but damn, this bit make me proud to be a Scot. Apparently he went through this in the army in WW2, when a callous officer ordered a war game that would have injured or killed several soldiers. Doohan refused. Fortunately, the overall commander agreed with his decision. Man was an honorary Scot in every sense of the word. Rest in peace, sir.
The people who became engineers are many because of Montgomery Scott! R.I.P. and enjoy the ride into the cosmos Scotty.
The Scotty who died on TNG or Doohan? I think you've lost you're grip on reality.
That is a) great acting and b) Scotty's finest moment in the entire series. Great job.
Favorite Scotty moment: When Spock was getting the nurse to slap him over and over again to get him out of a potential coma and Scotty came in in the middle. "Are ya DAFT WOMAN??' HAHAHAHAH!!!!!
The producers and writers of Star Trek knew they needed a badass, and Scotty became the man. Once again, in temporary command in "Friday's Child," the Enterprise encounters a Klingon ship right in the path of the Enterprise. Scotty says, "We'll go right down their throat if necessary, let's see if they have the belly for it." Total badass.
I'll never forget James Doohan carousing with us and singing pub songs at night at the hotel bar during DixieTrek back in the 90s. One of those times that you remember almost as if it was yesterday. What an awesome person he was!
Scotty loved a good blend of Scotch and loved the Enterprise engines maybe more. And whenever Scotty was in temporary command, you could almost count on some real badass stuff going down. I think this is the episode when Scotty says that the best diplomacy he knows is a fully-charged phaser bank (or words to that effect).
Diplomacy, gentlemen, is a job left to... Picard
Picard - The Armenians would have gotten tired of having to listen to Picard reasoning and would have released the Hostages.
Cisco - Would have fired a couple of quantum torpedoes into a vacant area just outside the city, then opened communications to arrange a pickup for the Hostages.
Janeway - Would send Seven in to distract...... I mean, negotiate with the council while a team covertly beams in to locate and extract them.
Archer - Would polarize the hull.
@@DocMicrowave The NX Enterprise probably would have gotten wrecked by the Emenian sonic disruptors. Their design seems tailor made to rip apart unshielded ships which suggests that's what the Emenians were used to fighting. The NX Enterprise really had no defense against them because it had no shields. Probably why first contact was not successfully made in Archer's era despite the "war" between Emeniar and Vendikar being ongoing at that point.
One of the things ST Enterprise did fairly well was play the game of "What if the titular ship isn't just the biggest baddest scariest most powerful thing in the known quadrant?"
As for Sisko, I honestly think he would have sent Lt. Dax to make first contact and then ended up being the one on Defiant organizing the rescue. The Federation of his era wouldn't have put Ambassador Foxx in charge of the mission though so Sisko would have had a freer hand.
@@DocMicrowave Gotta love Cisco.
@@hagamapama Makes sense.
@@ricardocastillo5485 Indeed.
Just thinking of all the conflicts were he didn't take any mess. Opened with reason, had no trouble taking it to live fire if the other side continued to present a danger.
And he punched Q!!
"Ay, the haggis is in the fire for sure." Vintage Montgomery Scott.
LMAO- this is the ACTUAL Mirror Universe......
It didn’t hit me until the end, but all throughout it I was thinking there’s something off about this...lol
I call it the "alternate Trekverse" . . . where everybody combs their hair to the wrong side.
This just looked so wrong.
@@dugclrk It was probably done to avoid a copyright strike
May brother and I got to meet "Scotty" James Doohan, at a Trek convention many years ago. He was a kind gentleman who shook our hands and chatted like we were buddies.
This is one of my favorite Scotty moments. As far as episodes that revolve around Scotty go, my favorite was "Wolf In the Fold." I also liked his significant role in "By Any Other Name." (When he had to drink an alien under the table.) That said, I'm glad Mr. Fox got to redeem himself in this episode.
“The haggis is in the fire, for sure" 🤣 Literally no one in Scotland says that.
I was fortunate enough to meet James Doohan, Martin Landau, and, and Ernest Bourgnine, at Cons, near the end of their lives. The Borg was twenty years older than the other two, but very much alive to the last. Respect.
Just because the Britons put a -u into everything doesn't mean Ernest Borgnine's name must be equally besmirched.
Ernest Borg-Nine ?
Commander Scott was always good for taking over the ship. He was very smart and never fooled.
Way to go, Scotty!! I love this scene.
That fox was such a square headed naïve character😂😂😂
"The haggis is in the fire for sure" hilarious, only a Scotsman would say that.
Mountain Fisher I laughed at that too.
I'm Scottish and I've never said that before.
I will use it now though and it'll be a common phrase by the 24th century.😁
@@lindaanderson5657 love you sweetheart lol
I'm sure there's an Aussie crewman who likes using the expression, "Curiosity killed the kangaroo."
That would be like a German actor playing an American saying "The hot dog is in the fire."
This episode was quoted in For All Mankind as well.
“But the instinct can be fought. We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes.”
The image has been flipped.
No, you're not going nuts. I believe it's done to avoid copyright issues.
I knew something was off, I had to watch it three times to catch it. At first I was wondering why Uhura was on the right side of the door, then I noticed the shirt's insignias were on the wrong side.
Mtn dew
no, they obviously had a transporter malfunction that beamed the crew in a parallel universe where everything is mirrored
You sure? The elevator seems to be on the correct side
One of the greatest character actors in television history !!!!!
"The haggis in the fire"? Let me assure everyone that that is NOT a common Scottish expression!
Aye, as a Scot we had a right good laugh at the preposterous sayings attributed tae us.
Ah... but it _will_ in about 200 years.
"Whaa? How da we knoo he didnae _invent_ the thing?"
[1987, some Plexicorp guest inventor]
Maybe it will be. He is yet to be born, in Linlithgow.
In the 21st century.
Please remember James Doohan who played Scotty was a soldier who stormed the beaches of Normandy on D day. Much respect and RIP sir
First rule of being a captain: The Safety of the ship above all else. As acting captain, he is in his rights, and no diplomat has authority to override it.
James Doohan (Scotty) was a forward artillery observer in the Canadian infantry. On D-Day he took out two German snipers.
I remember this episode; Scotty does have "balls" but Fox is actually wrong when he says his orders are Preeminent. If you recall the first part of this episode when they proceed to the planet on Fox's orders (against the planets' expressed warning) and assume orbit, Fox orders Kirk to beam him down to the planet. Kirk refuses and reveals to Fox to his apparent surprised that Kirk's command orders made him responsible for Fox's safety. It was Kirk and party who transported to the planet (that's how Kirk got captured) while Fox remained on the ship. If you are responsible for someone's safety then you implicitly have authority over them in a threat situation; if the ship is attacked (it was by the planet) it defaults to your command authority to take whatever actions you see fit to ensure the ship's (and by logical extension Fox's) safety; Starfleet would have likely backed Scotty up. Starfleet's order making Kirk responsible (& by extension Scotty as acting Commander in Kirks' absence) for Fox's safety is actually cutting Fox off at the knees authority wise, probably by Starfleet's intention. Starfleet command would resist putting one of their big capital starships completely under the command of a "that popinjay Fox" diplomat if they could help it.
Agreed. Fox was vastly exceeding his authority. You can tell by the fact that he didn't order the Bridge crew to arrest Scotty. if he actually thought he was right and had operational command of the vessel he would have had Scotty arrested for insubordination, or at least tried to do so. Instead all he can threaten him with is a nasty letter to Fox's own superiors and getting him in political trouble. Sure sign of a bully who's way too used to getting his own way.
And yeah, Fox's authority over the ship disappeared the moment the ship was fired upon. He still had command over the mission, but the mission was just him and his aide. Scott was free to operate under his own orders to assist Fox in the way he thought best.
“That mealy-mouthed gentleman below...” great line.
Typical McCoy. He defends Scotty to the diplomat dude. But as soon as the latter leaves, he tells Scotty how much trouble he is in. Leonard 'Doom and Gloom' McCoy.
BTW - the video is reversed.
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Dammit, McRocket, he's a nattering nabob of negativism, not an opportunistic character analyst!
Not only a good first officer, that's the best way to appeal to people in general (if you confront them in public/open, Humans have a STRONG tendency to hunker down on their positions to try and save face). It's also the sign of a good friend.
As Commander Decker reminded Kirk during The Motion Picture, it's the Exec's job to offer alternatives. McCoy was doing his job.
I think McCoy was saying that in jest. Like, he understood Scotty was in the right, but was expressing his concern for him getting into trouble.
It is always more interesting when two characters interact when they don't normally do so. Very rarely is McCoy in conversation with Scotty; but those moments were excellent. Even better: Scotty's joking about Chekov's drink in "Tribbles." The problem is, Star Trek made the same mistake as Lost in Space: Both shows should have been ensembles; but eventually, both of them revolved around only three characters, while everyone else became a nearly-useless backdrop. James Doohan and Guy Williams resented that, and I can't say I blame them.
Scotty! Keeps things together till I get back...." I always do"
I was trying to figure out why Uhura was sitting at the engineering station then I realized the video was reversed image
As many times as I have seen this episode I just now caught on that it was reversed imaged. At first I thought wardrobe had messed up and put the Star Fleet emblem on the wrong side of their uniforms.
Scotty had some ballz......
Always Trust Scotty!
Scotty was every inch the equal of Captain Kirk when it came to protecting the Enterprise and her crew. He demonstrated this not only in his outright defiance of Ambassador Fox on the bridge---"You can do what you want, BUT THE SCREENS STAY UP!"---but also in moving the giant starship out of phaser range.
Not when he's in love.
“The haggis is in the fire, for sure!” Awesome Scottie moment!
Remember when TV was great? Ah, those were the days ...
Scotty the unsung hero of Star Trek. Countless times his efforts saved the ship and crew.
The ambassador may have operational authority, but Scotty as the (acting) captain of the Enterprise has shipwide authority, which means since he's ultimately responsible for the safety of the ship and crew, that supersedes operational authority when those things are threatened.
Yep. Fox is being an idiot, but he could still get Scotty in political trouble back home depending on how well connected he was.
"THE HAGGIS IS IN THE FIRE FOR SURE"
Fox was an idiot
Scotty was in command
LOL
Assuming the Federation doesn't have more civilian control of their military than the modern British/American naval tradition does.
why is this so damm awesome beyond words?!?!??! Thank you MB
Fox was wrong in this. His authority only covered his diplomatic mission. Scotty was not only the Chief Engineer, but 3d in Command (As Starfleet had not created the Operations Officer slot that we saw in TNG) AND the officer placed in charge by the ship's CO. Choosing not to trust an enemy who had already tried deception to stage an attack was his legal call. His use of "Sir" was only an issue of respect for Fox's rank and position, not the man's non-existent authority.
Similarly, as Fox kept trying to force his view on the legal CO on the scene, Scotty could have had him locked in the Brig.
I'm not a military expert, but IRL its not like an American diplomat can order combat actions. heck, neither can the Chiefs of Staff for that matter.
@@AllYourBaseRBelong2Us No, he can't. The diplomat's "command area of responsibility" is his diplomatic mission. In this, case the Enterprise was the method by which he got to the planet but is a separate command area under its own chain of command. While in this case, the mission was to support Fox's mission, that mission would have been put on hold at best the instance hostile action against CPT Kirk and his away team was taken. Thus, Fox had no legal authority to order Scotty to do anything, from getting a cup of coffee up to lowering shields.
My considered response to all incidents and issues at work now is that the haggis is in the fire.